DEF CON 32 - Counter Deception: Defending Yourself in a World Full of Lies - Tom Cross, Greg Conti
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- Опубліковано 21 січ 2025
- The Internet was supposed to give us access to the world's information, so that people, everywhere, would be able to know the truth. But that’s not how things worked out. Instead, we have a digital deception engine of global proportions. Nothing that comes through the screen can be trusted, and even the things that are technically true have been selected, massaged, and amplified in support of someone’s messaging strategy.
Deception isn’t just about narratives - we see deception at every layer of the network stack, from spoofed electromagnetic signatures, to false flags in malware, to phony personas used to access networks and spread influence. They hide in our blindspots, exploit our biases, and fill our egos while manipulating our perceptions.
How do we decide what is real? This talk examines time-tested maxims that teach the craft of effective deception, and then inverts those offensive principles to provide defensive strategies. We’ll explore ways to counter biases, triangulate information sources, detect narratives, and how hackers can build tools that can change the game.
At their best, hackers lift their heads up above the masses to see how the world actually works, not how it purports to work, and then take action to make the world a better place. You’ll leave this talk with practical skills to do just that.
The 1990s was such an amazing time. Remember when the Internet warned you not to give out your email, real name or anything real to the Internet and all you needed was a username and password to set-up an account, no email required.
Exactly. I tried teaching people this but the cell phone crowd doesn't get it.
@@nirv governments don't want us to be anonymous and yes, it's risky allowing anonymity. Terrorists, organized crime and adversary governments gladly use anonymity. Non-anonymity is also great for business since people become trackable, predictable and possible to influence.
The golden era of the internet reached a bit into the 2000. Before monetised UA-cam and before doxxing yourself was required. I remember linkedIn got handed all my information from my government in a surreal twist of being doxxed for the first time, which was absolutely insane coming from the era of not putting real information on the internet
@@moggadah national goverments have nothing to do with this (except maybe for US fed gov that is just a bunch of tightly coupled family corporations).
@@ФеофанЭтополедолжнобытьзаполне these are just my thoughts. Given the rise of disinformation, terrorist coordination and organized crime online governments are less eager to protect online anonymity. If citizens use the tools to communicate that large corporations, which are willing to cooperate with governments, provide governments are rather "happy" and maybe think less about what the cooperations do with user information. This makes "truly anonymous" tools more a threat to governments.
"The purpose of the internet and computers is to make persons smarter. If we forget this, we will make the wrong things."
that sounds orwellian
how can you make wrong things?
Internet The greatest surveillance System Ever made. 😂
That's cute
I don't believe anything can make a person smarter yet alone Internet where not everything is 100% true or complete. If nothing else, Internet was supposed to be a source of information to allow people to educate themselves so they could make better decisions. Sadly, Internet became nothing more than a reflection of real life, with all its imperfections, deceptions, greed and evil but on a worlwide scale. It is a lot like money where some say, money doesn't corrupt you, it merely brings out whatever virtues or character flaws you have out. Same with Internet.
This was never the purpose. That’s delusionally idealistic. Even if it was the point, like TV, almost no one ever uses it “to be educated.” It’s almost exclusively the opposite - manipulators and fake nonsense everywhere. Liars and crooks everywhere (it is America, after all).
"The vulnerable mind fits ambiguous information to its own preconceptions and expectations."
great quote!!! what book was referenced?
This!
Yeah ai slop bery dangerous rn.
"News" agencies use this to great effect and sway elections by herding the mindless masses of sheep.
These are not the droids you are looking for.
Incredible seminar, I think the driving point of hackers/pentesters using their skillset to basically become investigative journalists is the ethos we should take on. It takes independent eyes to see through bias and get closer to the truth.
Investigative Journalists they are NOT.
Power-Fixers they are.
@29:30 he is describing investigative journalism. The entire reason people paid for newspapers was because investigative journalists would go out and find the facts that were being left out of the story.
Well now advertisers pay for the news. Journalistic integrity is, for the most part, a thing of the past
You had it on TV in the 90s in the UK.... You COULD NOT imagine these programmes getting on TV now, it's controlled by the government.
"Journalists used to be watchdogs, now they are lapdogs." ~~ Mike Royko
Stop following corporations and start paying attention to who wrote the articles. There are individuals you will find credible at nearly every outlet. Corporations have no scruples.
How long does that take and how do you cross reference? I saw the site that rates news outlets on the political spectrum but a lot of people said it's inaccurate. @@DiggySoze
We need more education oriented people like this
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We have a winner. Hands down the most important talk of the con. This should be a month long course in primary school. Well done guys, thorough and excellent depth. More relevant today than ever before ❤
Primary school? Really?
@JeniElbedour yes. Before the rest of the indoctrination takes place
Yes, teach critical thinking just like Finland has been doing because they are neighbors with the disinformation machine Russia.
Yes really. Occlumency wasn't just a Harry Potta cliche.
The smart people of the future are not in primary school. They aren't at school at all...they are being homeschooled, away from all of this. They are forming their perceptions by interacting with the natural world, rather than through a screen or from the technocrat indoctrinators at the "schools".
Classical Ethics should be taught in schools again.
being ethical is not profitable
All that does is teach criminals how to take greater advantage of people
Should be a component of every curriculum!
Being taught something and realizing the thing for yourself are two separate things
It is taught at lower educational levels in some countries for all students in some form.
Unfortunately it's sometimes mixed with religious beliefs, which are counter productive in that sense that they often teach people to think they are exceptional, chosen ones, have some secret of truth and ethics, which is beyond logic and reasoning,
What is needed is critical thinking and the ability to analyze information and messages. This is also taught in some countries in schools.
Thanks for the great talk. The problem is, and I expect will continue to be, that the people who most need to watch this are the least likely to.
Yes, or alternatively, those who are most affected by falsehoods are least likely to seek the truth…
Really this is about critical thinking. Not accepting information without thoroughly vetting it. Most importantly, challenging your own beliefs, rather than protecting them. Being able to change your mind when confronted with new data.
the problem is never the tools, its those that use them. its a wide open universe. its us we have to fix
I admit that I'm relieved when I read or hear from someone who sees things as I do but I am teachable.
How about DEFCON start giving speakers clip-on mics so we can all enjoy good audio of the already amazing content? 😊
What a gold mine. So much said and shared, deeply inspiring speech. Thank you all. And thank you for watching dear reader.
Into the knowledge playlist you go.
We never predicted the negative level of isolation and negative consequences. It is a much worse world today. By far
Such a valuable and unique presentation; covers a lot of complicated info in an interesting and understandable way. Thank you!
I’m floored. What a great presentation. Lots of potential here.
Seems like the only way to counter all of this efficiently is knowing where you are and being where you want to be.
The internet can't make us smarter but it's a treasure chest of information.
Bread and circuses.
This was probably the best DefCon talk I have heard.
This was amazing! If you haven't seen the talk on how the FBI broke into ANOM encrypted phones, def. check it out!
That was a great talk with many intersting and important ideas. I really wish i had time to pursue.. any of them. Great stuff
Regardless of the era and the innovation involved, the threat is due to human motivation for power, greed, ideology. An individual cannot do this alone. The nation state alone has the resources to use the technology of the time for their purposes. History has shown where the threat to global stability has consistently been borne.
The problem with Wikipedia isn't that anybody can edit it. The problem is partially in how it ranks the hierarchy of editors by number of edits and that a reletive few number of people who have an agenda are making LOTS of changes all the time. There are many times that I have made edits with many times more academic and media citations (balanced towards academics and peer reviewed studies) than amthe few sentences I edited, that were reverted minutes later to what it was before, with one or two media sources, the articles being cited reporting on an article that the original publication had retracted as being false. The person who reverted the entry was one of these who "police" Wikipedia and have high ranking in the Wikipedia editors group. This has happened to me MANY times and when I point out that the publication had issued a retraction of the story, acknowledging that it was false and misleading in the discussion group, In simply told that the source at the end of the news equivalent of the human centipede was a credible source and the information was just as valid as the retraction and dozens of peer reviewed studies in top rated journals.
sometimes people just dont like that it wasnt them getting the credit. like im imagining that if you just handed over all your hard work to one of these established editors and told them they could take the credit, your change would have been made
No. Wikipedia is psy-op trash. Any meaningful dissenting information is censored.
Seems like more than just their ranking issue. If someone is just straight up refusing facts that's a whole different thing.
I stopped editing articles 15 years ago when it became clear that the hierarchical overburden of editorial cultists-the masters of obscure Wiki rule arcana-stopped making it worthwhile. Once a week or so I throw in my two ¢ worth in a talk page, stopping every so often to survey the ubiquitous terrible dynasties of indented disputes that would extend above my ceiling were they in print concerning a Wiki article on a topic so obscure (Boson Color Gauge Invariance In Field Spin Chromodynamics [I just made that up]) and presented so malformed that nobody is going to care, save my two lines and leave. I've got the red and blue message notifications at the top for who knows what because haven't looked into them in over a decade.
Some example articles?
Wonderful talk. Wish it was a more prominent one in wider society.
Without the modem Internet, I wouldn't have been offered this video in my feed and I would have been that much less informed. While I agree generally with the sentiments in this video, I also disagree as well. I feel more informed and with a profoundly greater ability to get informed if I choose to do so
The metaphor used to describe fact-cherry-picking as a way for deception was so amazingly on point, I'm deeply thankful for that one. I'll use it and reference it in all future talks about post-truth and the like. Amazing presentation, many thanks and mucha suerte!
Outstanding! I'm so happy this was released
Love this talk. Excellent. 👍
This guy is speaking my language.
There's no shortcut. I was lucky enough to be historically minded from the elementary school, so I laid a basis for further studying reality. Often what I find is, people have such shallow concepts of recent history that they aren't able to make reasonable distinctions between meticulously analysed information and b*llshit. It's not to say one won't make errors, it's more like pathing through reality which can contain individual falsities, but to assume it's all false is paranoid and misses the point of how in any case one has to encounter reality regardless. Remember, all new information comes in relating to our pre-knowledge, we need to evaluate this new suggested relation in the process. It can be a hinderance but it can also be a big clue helping out a coherent picture of reality.
You can't and you SHOULDN'T guard yourself against 'disinformation', largely because those warning about disinformation are the worst manipulators themselves, but more broadly because there is no shortcut -if you want to know whether it makes sense or how probably some information contains truths, you need to go to source anyway. There's lots of nonsense and hype about it, and some of it is spread maliciously. Say, I found it funny how naive people are still about war propaganda once the war breaks out, even though we have ample evidence from the past how it actually works. This time is different, because hey, it's not us who do it, we are the good guys! Naivety and tribal thinking goes a long way.
The way social media and mainstream media operates is very instructive in this sense. It's not that any data there is 'pure', it's that social media in fact becomes more reliable if you remove outside, governmental and corporate control. People are always more plural than political control exercised from the top. Political deception often is about omitting alternative takes, which is why you learn to recognize topical jargon and liturgical words in the media pretty well after doing some closer study on the subject yourself. That's because there are genuine top down power structures in the MSM which aren't there in the social media side. When you have governmental and corporate interests in the discourse, it becomes controlled pretty fast. And yes, there exist genuine conspiracies, although it's much more complicated in general, involving lazy journalism, corporate conformism and cultural sameness. Of course, there's also plenty of smearing truth-tellers for the simple reason of them being a potential threat to the conformity of regimes. In this regard, my hopes are low, as I've witnessed majority of people being f*cking lambs loving their ruling class either way, willingly smearing any dissident voices. If anything, it's the minority opinion that is usually closer to truth for this reason, and the majority is by default a bunch of witch hunters.
Now, my take is primarily on political, historic facts. I'm not going to technical or scientific proof so much, which I consider to be somewhat a different beast, mainly since corporations, governments and other top-down power structures have less concerted interests in distorting the materiel on those fields.
Ethics, a class I taught, is built upon what corporate attorneys can get away with. Politics have given them new tools within a pathology of lies. Hope for ethics is a fantasy.
THANK YOU FROM MANHATTAN
It's easy to access your Egoic desire to be a part of something that's cool and extravagant your desire to feel Grand.
Y'all are already part of what y'all are talking about.
Y'all are self deceptive in externalizing it.
Counter deception is a straightforward business
Thanks for confirming my bias!
love the endorsement idea. I always like myspace's top friend for musicians. It would open up musical taste so well
People have been living in their own bubble since the dawn of mankind, it's called a community and gues what... those people living together have a lot in common. If not, they'd had the chance to be cast out of the community into exile.
Coincedence or not those first few travelers that went from community to community were both seen as a possible threath and the bringer of outside "news".
A search for back door political financing (book deals and other thinly veiled attempts at campaign influence via “indirect” means of “payment”.) would be a massive positive. I gotta up my skills. There’s work to be done.
this is so cool !!!!!!! wow godspeed to you guys man this is soulfood
Gentlemen, thank you. The web has been a desert of low vibrational thinking & I've looked for what seemed like ages to find my tribe. It was refreshing to find this first principles based pragmatic thinking in an ocean of reactionary, triggered willfully blind people who favor trauma bonding over critical thinking & personal development. Will be seeking your content out & following this rabbit hole to augment the work I have already been doing. Again you are appreciated.
There’s no money in high vibrational thinking or should I say ultra low vibrational thinking because where there’s no motion there is no money to be made. If you want the vibrational thinking of the source, you have to search for specific term with quotation marks such as “differentiation within oneness”, “Ekam sat” or “Ek Sat”, “Ek Onkar” or “The Big Bang is a Singularity”. Personally, but I do not want to influence you, the teachings of Jesus as outlined in the new Testament are pretty spot on. They were born from the realisation that is described in Genesis or John. I’m not an Indian, but if I were, I would say that there is only Shiva. Since I was raised Catholic, I will say that there is only Jesus a.k.a. God.
@@Ekam-Sat Appreciate it brother, but I have a different perspective on religion/Jesus. ua-cam.com/video/Jd-VAyxQ5ao/v-deo.html
maybe don't try to "find your tribe" on a screen. go out and touch grass and meet actual in real life people, just a thought.
Thanks 👍 for sharing your valuable wisdom on the counter deception which is a norm masking meta reality engineering gamified worldviews.😊❤
I would argue bug hunting strengthens the spidy sense and hammers the "don't believe everything you think" motto.
Being critical of one's own conclusions is a major breakthrough.
Almost knocked me down when it hit me.
@@bryandraughn9830THIS! 100 times over. Took me far too long to realize the game I was playing. A game of deceiving myself.
Unfortunately, this is one of those things that easy person has to see for themselves. They could easily read these comments and still “not get it”.
I'm going to go out on a limb and say that Tom Cross' Criminal Records [store] shirt was inspired Pretty Hate Machine /s
I thought it was a Pretty Hate Machine t shirt til I looked closer
Wow, the validation point hit the nail on the head
Interesting breakdown of the news
The colour coded Wikipedia recent edits idea is great, it could be applied widely. I think we all want a web interface that "reads ahead of us" like a minefield, with a skeptical eye, writes a snopes article, summarises it without a clickbait title, and highlights the venn diagram of good and dodgy sources with no integrity, fact checking or history of printing retractions that underpin it.
So, like ground news or Twitter fact check but better but for everything? I wish. Imagine the fervor of religious fanatics and flat earthers..
I think you are right that there is a need, specifically the ability to make up back up "evidence" images good enough to convince at least the non-tech savvy folks (and anyone in a rush).
How do you write a function: is_true(whatever) ? I am afraid you cannot do that, AFAIK you could only refer to some other source(s) and compare, but that just moves the problem further along the way. So as I see it, there is no (easy) way out of this problem, like with everything, only mitigations.
@@filip0x0a98 I think he kinda covered it in the talk, the tool has to build up an index of individuals and sources that supply the knowledge graph. Ideally it'd be more complex though, factoring in the vested interests of each source, how much they benefit from long term journalistic integrity over short term clicks.
@@luke.perkin.online Well I understand that. But that does not tell you whether it is true or not. There is still the problem of assigning credibility to your sources -- and even then, it is still only "This statement (dis)agreess with this source" so as I see it fundementally the same problem. My point being, you still have to figure out who to trust (and for what...)
Not saying it could not be useful. Just that I see some problems with it. Distrusting the "trust machine" as it were.
@@MargoTheNerd it's actually a really profound point, you have to be fair and humane to the crazies, no gulags, just gentle nudges towards the enlightenment, respect for rule of law, and a social contract for honesty. It seems impossible to build trust when populist leaders are the antithesis of this. As @filip0x0a98 is struggling with.
Whoever made that T-shirt design, props for the Pretty Hate Machine reference.
thx t! 4the greaaaaaA44444T Talk!!!
Douglas Copland
perhaps one of the most important DEFCON talks in years. There is so much more they didn't have the space to get into, but it would make for a fantastic follow-up or talking about a lot of practical wisdom that could be exported out of the DNI constellation. The so called "Moscow rules" alone could form two whole separate presentations!
He is wrong on one thing though. Hackers themselves are just as vulnerable to groupthink, suffer from some of the very biases & foibles he laments in the rest of society. If he has a failing, it is in the mistaken belief that you hackers are better people than you all have generally proven yourselves to be. He thinks far more highly of you all than you deserve.
...I wonder how many, if any of you will ever challenge yourself to live up to those higher expectations someday.
I love how shitty the internet is getting.
I get outside more and am happier.
Never should have trust the unix eunichs to do anything for us.
I like your dialectical perspective on this. Very nice.
Based
@RadioVictor yeah, definitely based.
😂 f the nerds and stupid people.
Hell yea to that criminal records tee! ATL represent!
Vannevar Bush is a distant cousin of Prescott Bush. That doesn't mean anything, but it is interesting to know.
DEFCON Rocks!
🎉 Thank you!!! Please continue your important work...for technological innovation and for human evolution! 👏🏼
No one evolves lol
This is a great talk, and one that should reach more than just thee hacking community. I particularly like you "fun-house of mirrors" metaphor - but that really points to what I see as the limitations of your talk, which is obviously primarily focused on the strategies we can use for counter deception. But what you strongly imply at the start of your talk is that we have created a new and unique information space in which people are actively embracing and enjoying deception -- and they are not just taking pleasure in deceiving others. In the past one of the main drivers of deception was duper's delight, people taking pleasure in putting one over on others, but outside of theatre and magic shows people did not take pleasure in being deceived in quite the way they seem to now - in the social media information space people actually enjoy the idea that they can escape the limitations of truth and enter a space in which you can be anything or anyone - in which we can play with deception to create any "reality" we want. I believe that Putin and the C.C.P. and Donald Trump have a major advantage in this "post modern playground" for they have conspicuously and deliberately using the techniques of deception, and the willingness of marks to collude in self-deception, for a very long time. But, of course, the real problem is that so have we, we have just been a bit less honest with ourselves.
I think your technical and tactical responses to deception are important, but to be honest I think that they are bound to fail unless we can actually manage to get sufficient people on board with the idea that truth and integrity matter, and that when treating with an enemy it is actually considerably better to establish a conduit for exchanging true and comprehensive information that can be known to be trustworthy than to manipulate your enemy by deception. The former can lead to finding common interests and establishing a sustainable constructive relationship, the latter will only lead to mistrust and further conflict in the future. Until enough of us really understand that, we are doomed to fight the infowars endlessly.
Putin, CCP, Donald Trump. A politically specific list that immediately reveals that you have been a victim of and indulged in self-deception, just for the side you like. Stay away from this work, you can't handle it.
Thank you for this.
the AI images were actually a genius touch, their uncanny valley nature triggers the skepticism parts of the brain, which is perfect for this talk
Great observation.
This reminds me of Rimjaal studies that Muslims engage in for Hadith studies to determine the reliability of narrators of stories about Muhammad.
The most important youtube video since the beginning of youtube. Top tier lecture. I need more, this is addictive. :v
2:55 I never heard anyone think that we would change as a culture so rapidly and not just reinforce bad anti social culture being spread, but literal create the lowest firm of a culture probably ever
According to whom, you need a reality shift bro. Remember we create our own reality. ❤
@ agreed, but if u only focus on yourself then u are the lowest form of being ever, and we have more people than ever lost and isolated yet surrounded by people and information, and with more advanced medicine more unhealthy than ever, and better agriculture technology but we have an obesity epidemic simultaneously more starvation than ever, not to mention constant war and the stock market is higher than ever but more poor and less middle/class than in the previous80 yrs of American history, does that sound solid? We have the potential for a amazing positive shift but it won’t come from being blind to the problems or apathetic to fixing them
I have a friend who's about my Dad's age ("Boomer" generation). He's reasonably smart in matters of tangible life but while on the internet he loses 100% of his critical thinking capacity. More like 200%. He goes into a critical thinking deficit. The following are my actual return-texts to him:
"Elon Musk didn't say that. It's AI. Funny though."
"You won't be getting that crossbow. Call card services ASAP."
"The document claims to be a transcription of a PRIVATE conversation between the two. Who transcribed it then?"
"Elon Musk didn't build a fighter jet. Google it."
Bingo
I find the anti Elon propaganda sticks across all generations. Sad.
@@efdangotu probably because elon is actually an idiot lmaoo
@@efdangotu Sad indeed. But I wouldn't consider this anti-Elon. More like "unrealistically Pro-Elon". Or at least "preying on those who are unrealistically pro-Elon"
Elon had some great ideas and funded some incredible stuff, starting SpaceX and boosting Tesla. I was quite enamored, but at some point he jumped the shark.
His claims in the last few years are not all BS though, for example he actually is a top 20 player in Diablo 4. Can't find any other examples tho. 😜
This was Awesome 👏
Thank you 😊
When is the next one ?
I want to be there !
people should be required to watch this video before using the internet or voting
Tri0le 7 check it Karo data my Mind's 3ye
There's always going to be a bias with any encapsulated information that gives a narrative. You can never know the complete whole truth but you can get a useful narrative.
Awesome shirt. Looks like a throwback to "Pretty Hate Machine" by Nine Inch Nails. o7
It took me a couple minutes in and focusing on the shirt to realize it wasn’t 😅
Nice shirt 👌🏼
I'm a parody logo artist and it nearly broke my brain for a quick second. It's based on the cover art from a Nine Inch Nails album, then spun 90 degrees... Spoofs R Us
Been looking forward to a real discussion on this... for a long time now....
EDIT: I believe "we" have something to blame for this, but should not be looked at as the primary facet here... Everyone has been victim to conditioning.
I dpend no time defending myself on the net. I defend my ideas and thought out conclusions.
Yeah we are gonna need more discussion about people lying it is non stop and everywhere. Everyone u know. Secrets.
Dont even think im competing against real people online anymore. I see things. I notice
It’s a slippery slope to paranoia tho ain’t it
And Marc Randolph co-founder of Netflix, the psychological terraforming company, the paternal great grand nephew of Sigmund Freud and the paternal grand nephew of Edward Bernays.
Great talk, also kinda want the "criminal records" pretty hate machine shirt lol
I am struck by this - much of the solutions Tom is proposing would be solved by a well-equipped, well-funded education system that teaches literacy and critical thinking at the high school level. The public version of this system was dismantled, but investment into human capital, not just in knowledge but in personal networks would also help reduce the amount of people vulnerable and unequipped to deal with the internet.
@12:20 reminds me of the MO of the Djinn as it was portrayed in the 1997 film, Wishmaster.
Good talk! It's a borderline paranoia!
In Genesis 218, it says it was not good to be alone. I think the singular purpose of life may very well be love.
The speaker's T shirt is deceptive it looks like a nine inch nails pretty hate machine shirt the colors and letter placement from a distance are almost spot on for one.
An individualized deception interface to maximize everyone’s participation in the cap machine
So, most tech people start sentences with "So... " and end with "...right?" right?
Better ending would be “hum”.
Some very subtle work here System
Unironically the quote "If you don't read the newspaper, you're uninformed. If you do, you're misinformed" is often misattributed to Mark Twain, but there is no evidence that he ever said or wrote it.
Righto and where have you been?
Thank you
"No bro, the purpose of computers is to push capitalism and make us money" --big tech VCs
Cant wait for the new season of foundation :D
Okay but how to I deceive myself so I don't have to deal with unmitigated disaster caused by other people?
LinkedIn is its own security breach. As demonstrated by DEFCON previously.
I just came from Jack Rhysider channel I was thinking... Greg, your not from Florida are ya? 😅
Jack's my favorite on yt. Maybe right beside Shawn ryan
His not?
So we looked at the data
As you get older, you gradually discover that most of what you have always thought was true is actually not.😄
Like: "Truth is relative. (I have my truth, and you have YOUR truth.)"
or
"There are no absolutes." (Are you *absolutely* sure? What about Thus saith The Lord?)
a classic: "There is no God. God cannot exist." (because he's a big meanie... etc...)
Truth is not subjective, truth is absolute. Whether or not you agree with a statement, doesn’t make it not true. If you’re color blind and can’t see the color, doesn’t mean the color you can’t see is nonexistent. I think people have a problem relating fact to accepted consensus.
@@yanajaartandanimalchannel4884 Colours, heat, light, electricity, radio signals, and even X-rays are all made of up of the same exact substance. They appear different, and have way different properties, uses, and purposes, yet mainly by reason only of the different frequencies by which they oscillate at. Fascinating stuff!
For someone who is colour-blind, certain colours may as well be "non-existent" though. It's not easy to define or even describe the color red for example to a colour-blind man...
I totally agree though brother, that truth is absolute. "Thus saith The Lord" sounds pretty absolute to me anyways.
Consensus though... ouff... There's a bandwagon fallacy somewhere in there... (Argumentum ad populum, if I remember correctly, or appeal to the mass opinion of the people.) I'm not certain that I want to live in a world where every fact is decided by consensus. Who gets to decide who becomes part of the consensus board?
Jesus Chris is the truth, the way and the life!
"Jesus saith unto him, Thomas, because thou hast seen me, thou hast
believed: blessed are they that have not seen, and yet have believed."
(John 20:29)
I respect that view but, personally, I think you're confusing wisdom with age. Some people get older, and do not get wiser.
@@johnpienta4200 especially if their water supply is tainted with controversial drug additives, that can be linked to expedited pineal calcification and lowering IQs. Not only is everything you consume with water percentage flouridated, Some parents have their young children bathe, submerged in this fluoridated water too, instead of showering themselves. Either way probably affects neurological development and health. But soaking in it, seems like a detrimental risk. I like to argue that American blacks in the in early 20th century were collectively more intelligent than those of the 21st century. Production went from Malcolm’s to Martins. (No shade to Martin Lawerence but he willfully plays the fool.) stop drinking the kool-aid. It’s affected my brothers.. this sediment detriment in our waters… in this time of change, we must take a few steps back to see it crystal clear and move forward. When rfk implied, “while jfk was president, mental illness wasn’t a major problem in this country, but today it is one of the biggest issues.” He wasn’t excluding the marginalized communities disproportionately affected by water fluoridation. If your third eye or pineal gland is very significant spiritually. (Genesis 32:30-32 and yaaqov also known as Jacob wrestled with an individual he referenced having the face of “Jh”, he called that place: Peniel (Pineal Gland). That is why christ was crucified at "Golgotha", a place of "Skull"(Within your head). That is why an opened third eye/ pineal gland is called "Christ consciousness" and also why pine trees and pine cones in Hosea and 1 John have epitomized the Omniscient and The third eye being the seat of the soul in some cultural beliefs.)
Analytical.
Good talk, leaving aside the language errors, from two guys who make a real effort to teach. This is not always true. These guys clearly care about getting their ideas across, with emphasis on making us wiser regarding our uses of technology. Of course, a lot of this has applicability in many contexts in our social interactions.
One serious flaw was the false story about journalism. The "both sides" story about journalism is a new thing. People concerned journalism is not all it could be because of the business model of running news organizations is an old thing, but a distinct thing from the modern problem of American journalism disconnecting itself by design from fact finding. The latter is a political response to the 200-year-old fourth-estate model of journalism as a practice that follows the facts of a story and reminding people of news-relevant context. By the seventies, with Watergate having driven a president from office (and other figures, including that crook's vice president) and scores of stories for the prior few decades having burned the party of business and wealth, the elite of that party leaned heavily into the propaganda element of their "slanted, liberal media" line.
Meanwhile, some wealthy right-wing activists lined up some grant money to influence various universities that had or wanted to have journalism programs, with the guiding theme being what would later become a slogan at a newfangled news service doing something called "fair and balanced" reporting. In fact, that latter service turned out, on balance, not to be fair at all, which turned out to be the point. By the middle years of the nineties, however, a wave of newly minted journalism graduates were just getting into management positions across the country with talk about how journalism could only be taken seriously if it steered a central course between the two political parties, which were sliding, uncoincidentally, to the right year by year. Tethering stories to the relevant facts, regardless of the benefit to or the detriment to political figures, was out after a very brief struggle, and "fair and balanced" was in fashion. This political depoliticizing of the news is very much a product of the times. We had a long history of leading news organizations following facts, highlighting relevant history, and exposing inconsistencies, lies, and malfeasance by leading figures of the day. While it was in motion before the main impact of the web and then social media, the "both sides" model of casting most news stories in supposedly neutral political terms is very much a product of the eighties and the revenge-of-the-rich perversity that continues to plague education, journalism, and, as a result, all American society. It has brought us, by undermining the institutions that make it possible to develop and to be informed, educated voters, to the verge of autocracy, with one of the two major parties abandoning its commitment to fair, all-citizen voting and to representative government.
Misunderstanding the history here is a big mistake, but it is a small piece of this talk.
Anyone has the slides link?
Former NSA, West Point and cyber command? At this point convinced DEFCON is a CIA front
Maybe not a "front" per se... but definitely a good place to reconnoiter the playing field.
:P
"In God we trust, for everyone else... we polygraph."
--Old CIA moto
Pretty sure defcon often includes high level officials. When you're playing the game at the highest level, that's who is in the game: nation states.
What I personally failed to consider is that also cybergangs are rolling around at the top levels and are sometimes connected to the three letter agencies.
honestly I was expecting bs but the talk was quite good and can also be used to spot the techniques used by the US nowadays. Chomsky would be glad
@@Dewa-s3i One could argue that NSA's TAO Tailored Access Operations (now Computer Network Operations), is a "cybergang"... I wouldn't though, cause they could be hidin' out in the bushes somewhere, out to get me... :P, You know?
TAO identifies, monitors, infiltrates, and gathers intelligence on computer systems being used by entities foreign to the United States.
Same with Google and most of the content controllers.
27:00 “Prebunking” jfc…
What book is he talking about at 12:40 ?
Counterdeception principles and applications for national security by some Waltz and Benett in like World and Bee.
I hope he mentions the Demon-Haunted World: Science as a Candle in the dark. Because so far, it's the best book I've ever read - it teaches you critical thinking. When you have good critical thinking skills, you're not bamboozled as easily by anything on the internet.
@@nirv When you can ruthlessly interrogate your own reactions & motivations...THEN you become somewhat immunized.
The 48 questions seems ideal for a custom gpt
You guys just want us to THINK that's how deception works. Very sneaky. Very sneaky indeed.
Man, that t-shirt looks like the cover of Pretty Hate Machine's NIN album.
I'd like to hear these 2 guys talk about the current state of politics.
They just did, but you need to decode it yourself.
@@jnnx Excellent reply.👍🏻
politics is much, much more than the popularity contest in washington.
You should check out a defcon conference then 😊 it’s not all geeks and code it’s just a bunch of counterculture types hanging out for a week discussing random stuff
Trump is a train wreck
My favorite deception was 1812 Tecumseh Aug 16 1812 the capture of Detroit convinced the fort they were facing an army many times their size by parading warriors back and forth in a clearing of the forest. A white flag went up surrendering before the battle begins the most humiliating defeats ever suffered by an American Army today.
*"BY DECEPTION WE WAGE WAR"* ...
A Golden Cage Is Still A Cage........
Your building the very thing that you fear the most...............
We now have a internet captcha AI checking us humans to make sure we are not robots. 🤬🤬🤬
Was that an advertisement for censorship i just watched? Surely sounded like that after 36:48
Make something part of the Internet, and you will have kids writing comments. That's just how it is. Now if they start to edit pages, will those Xanadu & Hyperscope backlinks make them Responsible humans? NO. Because they are kids, and don't yet care. It's the kids we have to teach about biases. Not sit infront of a screen.