From what I was told, many vehicle accidents between internal combustion cars and electric cars do happen. And the problem is the electric cars cost about 8 to 10 times as much for a minor fender bender repair as conventional cars. Case in point a recent rivian truck that had a very minor dent in the rear bumper was a 43,000 repair. There's a video about it here on youtube.
Insurers should form a separate entity that insures only EV's, so the rest of us who had sense enough to not buy an EV in the first place, aren't subsidizing the idiots who did.
@@dougfisher1813 There are two ways road tax could be collected on EVs. One is to put that tax on electric bills, which would affect everyone and would be unfair to those who don't own EVs. The other way would be to add the tax to the cost of charging an EV at the charger. Any charger, home or public. Taxing an EV charged solely at home might be more difficult because a monitoring system would have to be installed to register every time the EV is charged. And this would go over like a lead balloon. Or, the power company could go back before the person owned an EV and use that as a base, then charge the tax based on increased use. Which wouldn't take into account a lot of factors causing an increased use of electricity. And maybe there's a third way to tax EVs charged at home. Simply add an additional tax on the power bill to everyone who owns an EV. The question would then be, on how the tax would be calculated. Should it be calculated daily, every other day, every three days, every four days, five days, six days, or every seven days? Or every two or three weeks? Or even once a month? Once this is decided, then the tax rate would have to be determined. Then once this is all determined, it'd be time for two aspirins and a glass of water.
Same could be said about the government meatheads pushing the "we must go EV" nonsense. I guess they just want people to end in horrible ways, lose thousands after their EV´s went runaway mode and that not including the amount of damage potential caused towards other people´s property. I guess they only care about their personal shares increase they likely have in EV companies or companies that build EV related parts. Force a demand and your investment will increase as people aren´t allowed to have a choice.
If the EV industry really has faith in its products then perhaps they should set up insurance companies to provide affordable cover for their customers.
Why? My insurance for my EV is pretty affordable. Where is the problem? EV owners have heard all this crap for literally more than a decade now. "Your insurance this, your battery that, my mate this, my neighbor that, I've read this, I've heard that..." It's all just a bunch of bs.
@mikeportjogger1 I couldn't agree with you more. However, any of those car companies would be foolish to provide insurance for their electric vehicle sales. They may as well go ahead and provide residence insurance also for the extremely dangerous fire hazards that these vehicles present to their homes and the other residents within their immediate area.
This insurance thing isn’t bs. In the UK people are being told their insurers no longer insure EVs or they are being quoted thousands. I’m all for EVs but battery technology has a lot of progress yet to come. If you look at energy density of petrol vs batteries you’ll find it’s around 50x. A battery of course cannot have the same density but it gives you an idea of what could be possible. Say we see a 4x increase in energy density that could make the battery over 4 times smaller, lighter (making the vehicle more efficient), more easily replaced and there would be more options for where the battery could be placed to better protect it. The devaluation of today’s cars will be massive. So I’m all for people buying them now because that essentially funds research but I personally will not be buying one for at least 7 years.
That's hilarious. Oil companies are the ones in control. I can plug my car in and charge directly off solar at home. Last time I checked big oil companies don't sneak into people's garages and fill their tanks with free fuel while they aren't looking.
It's about the fact that with fuel use currently soaring exponentially we've only got about 30 years left. The ICE car ban will take effect in 2035 in Europe for new cars, and we can expect ICE cars to remain on the road for another 14 years. That's 26 years total. Much longer than that and you won't be able to drive it even if you want to. If you are old, no need to worry - you can drive ICE cars till the day you die. If you are young you will have to get used to EVs or alternatively get used to public transport. Your choice.
Here in Los Angeles ,California. An EV car hit and jumped over a center divider. The car bursted into flames and the occupants sadly died because the doors could not open. No mentioned of the type of car on the news. People in the comment section wrote it was a Tesla. These EVs are not safe!
@@ouethojlkjn Yes but which ICE cars have burst into flames and trapped the occupants inside when there was no escape, only after simply hitting a centre divider? Your strawman argument is sticking your head in the sand and imagining nothing to see here.
@@ouethojlkjn You watch too many movies. That vast, vast majority of car crashes don't involve fire, and any that do would have certainly triggered a battery blaze.
Sounds more like the manufacturers' fault than the EV's fault. You know, those idiots who chain almost every control in the EV, including the AC, the heater, the door locks or door security system into one big tablet at the center of the vehicle, the tablet that could fail electrically, which in turn could lead to the failure of the door locks, in case of emergency. The manufacturers of EVs could try isolated car keys or manual locks like the ones, in the 1970's through the early 2000's.
@@sajjie8121 Anyone can pick on one single incident to reinforce their world view. Here is one for you, a Tesla Model S falls 150 feet down a cliff, does not catch fire, and everyone walks away. Go look it up.
The reason behind going to battery vehicles is to save the planet. The transition is playing out with the opposite effect. Lithium battery packs are great for power tools and hobby toys, phones, etc, but not for pushing overweight luxury vehicles.
That's not the reason. The reason is to put the automakers out of business. The governments of the world know that EV's won't work. They don't want everyone to own an EV, they want everyone on foot, so they are easier to control.
I've just re-insured my two cars, both ICE, and after years of the premiums failing or remaining static they have both increased by around 20%. I wonder why. Am I paying for the increased risks associated with EV's?
No you’re not. It’s expensive to repair any vehicle even a low speed impact can cost many thousands and the type of vehicle is irrelevant, my insurance for my electric vehicles has been cheaper than the equivalent spec and performance petrol vehicles, even my sail boat insurance has decreased since I converted it to electric drive. Diesel and petrol fires are a major concern on boats for insurers due to the higher possibility of ignition.
Ugh no. Fossil fuel is an issue. You can go as far as you want in a EV between chargers like you can with refueling ya gas car. EVs are still in early stages and more will be done to improve them. Like it or not, unleaded and diesel cars will not be sold new at a later date. I had a prang not at fault in my petrol car that was unrepairable due to an airbag fault. Car was sent to the wreckers. Any later car will have their issues due to so much controlled by the computer. I remember the old VW cars igniting in the old days and peeps still bought them. Hyundai has had fire issues. So insurance will be affected by this. No diff
Having lived with lipo batteries for 20 years in RC models I know the pitfalls and the dangers and also the benefits. For a toy that I am NOT inside of it's fine and risks are worth it for the convenience factor of flying around quietly and easily without mess or dealing with fuel and starters etc etc , In that time I have had one fire and one near fire due to elevtronics speed controller faults, that single fire was early on but was enough for me to know that I would NOT want to be anywhere near one when it goes up in flames, and the idea of being in a car full of them essentially trapped perhaps in the fast lane of the motorway etc etc fill me with fear. Combine that with electronic locking and windows that can potentially lock you inside the car and I am terrified lol, remember HAL from a space odessy ?
Yes,very well,and with AI already here,Hal is just round the corner.Very good point about electric windows,locks etc.A lot of cars have auto locking doors when you drive off and only open when you try to unlock said door.
Which is why teslas have mechanical door releases as well. Seriously did you think (clearly you didn’t) that safety would be compromised in the way? And if you’ve been hit and the doors are jammed, which can happen to both, I’d rather be in an EV due to it’s significantly lower fire risk.
Have you heard about the Guy who put his crashed RC Heli into the boot of his new BMW? Spontaneous ignition and soon no Heli and burnt to the ground BMW.
@@ChrisGWarp(Did you think?) EV’s are a substantially higher fire risk!! EV fires are also exponentially more aggressive!! The wash off and gases released during a fire are also far more devastating to human life and the environment!! (Clearly you didn’t)
For just once, the insurance companies will be doing the planet a favour. Pricing evs off the road, making the world safer for us motorists, and eliminate or vastly reduce the exploitation of Congo children mining the metals for ev batteries.
Awe those poor babies, but you'll have to give up on medical implants, Oh and that Congo material is used as a catalyst to make petrol, lets not forget the manufacture of High speed compressor blades in Jet engines as well as tens of thousands of other uses. Really people do some fkn homework!! We should stop buying the material and let them all starve because their own govt that gets rich from the sales don't care one bit. And really neither do any of you.
In my country insurance companies have statistics about repair costs and charge after that. every year there is a small adjustment to some car models. Interestingly EVs are in average 25% cheaper to insure compared to gasoline and diesel models. With some models only the EVs are more expensive to insure but overall the EVs are cheaper to insure...
LFP batteries do not use cobalt or nickel and are used in BYD and some Tesla models otherwise Tesla cylindrical batteries are either NCM or NCA chemistry.
A neighbor here in Utah had a brand new EV as a loaner car while their Mercedes ICE car was in for service. The car caught fire in the garage and burned the house down completely. Not only did the insurance company had to pay for the car but also a million dollar+ house. Edit: news link for the EV skeptics: ua-cam.com/video/SIpXkQhq1ps/v-deo.html
soon the ev insurance policies will have an out clause ie they ins co wont pay a dime in construction property damage if the car was parked within 30 ft of a building. and ferries wont permit them to board, and none will b allowed in any parking garages anywhere. too dangerous...
have you talked to him about this? if hes a true leftie he will scoff at you. UNTIL it happens, then he will blame you for something...@@chrisbueschel3884
You are on the money MGUY. I wonder what thoughts you had and have now on the experimental medical procedure of recent years? Anyone who spoke against the mainstream narrative was marginalised/censored/ pilloried/cancelled (some of the above/all of the above) and now the same thing is happening with ev's (and of course climate change and I'll throw in illegal immigration also). Not wanting to get off topic (this is after all about ev's), but there is a common thread running through all of these big issues. When dissenting voices are silenced/crushed, we are being brainwashed and we should instead, be informed.
Is it because most of the western world have given up on faith and churches, and the people in power need a new religion to keep the masses in check? To me Religion was always about keeping the masses singing the same hymns, and having the unpaid actors/do-gooders watching their neighbours.
not only a fire risk, but they also wear the roads out quicker because they are heavier. The mad rush to migrate to EV wasn't thought out fully. Would get the same or better environmental beneficial impact if motorway speeds limits were reduced, engines tuned correctly and encouragement given to keeping cars longer. A new car may burn fuel more efficiently but it takes a lot of fuel to make it.
My Van insurance went from £290 to £900 this September, never claimed, never convicted, shopped around and got it to £570.........whoopee doo, what a result, it only doubled 😵
@@GBPaddling All car insurance has shot up because of the steep rise in used car prices I think. But EV insurance has gone up a great deal more. My petrol car insurance also went up about 80% but it's still very cheap (being over 50 helps in my case).
@@KidHorn7001 Google it. Electric car owners are facing close to 1000 percent rises in their insurance premiums during a cost of living crisis, reports show. Some owners have seen their premiums spike by over £4,000 compared to last year in a move which has baffled owners and left them out of pocket ahead of winter. Tesla owners have shared their stories in a Facebook group where they have told others about the horror premiums they now have to pay. One owner said Aviva refused to insure him and his Tesla Model Y when his insurance came up for renewal and that other brands had turned him away.
There was a very interesting video on the Hydraulic Press Channel recently which showed the results of crushing and piercing various types of lithium cell. Some burned, some exploded, some merely squished into a gooey mess with no apparent sign of fire at all. EVangelists were quick to point out that the 'squishing' variety PROVED that such lithium batteries were inherently safe in a collision, because using the appropriate chemistry (ion, polymer, phosphate, whatever) in all cars would make EVs the super-safe, planet-saving wonders they'd always believed them to be. But that's deliberately missing the point. The point is that the way EV batteries react to physical trauma is only part of the issue. The real problem is that they can malfunction for any number of unseen reasons long after a minor shunt or bouncing over a speed-bump, and give absolutely no indication that they may - or may not - be on the brink of a catastrophic failure. Of course, they probably aren't, but there's no way to tell. Just because it hasn't happened to your vehicle doesn't mean that it isn't already happening to the one parked next to you. The invisible nature of electricity means that you really ought to check every weld and connection every time the vehicle is used. That's how the scientists and engineers treat space-probes before sending them off to Saturn. It's the only way to be sure, and it's not possible to run similar checks on your Tesla every time you nip down to the shops. Unsuspected, unexplained electrical faults are the issue, not the robustness of the chosen battery chemistry. With a petrol car you can smell a fuel leak. You can see drips and puddles. Broken things can be fixed. The recent concern over the ethanol added to petrol causing flexible fuel lines in older vehicles to perish and fail is something that's easily remedied. But battery fires often start without warning. An electrical fault could lie dormant for weeks or months before suddenly triggering a fire. If the car's second-hand, you have no idea how the previous owner treated it. It doesn't matter how your battery responds to physical damage. It's what you can't see that hurts you.
Good info. Could you make a video about disposal of suspect or damaged EV batteries? It seems that, as with wind turbines, everyone looks the other way when the subject of blade disposal comes up.
Wind turbine blades are recycled, its taken a while to get there but is up & running as burying them in landfill will be banned from 2025. Rome wasn't built in a day.
@@KidHorn7001out off interest how would you recycle the blades. They are made of fibreglass, a material that is very difficult to recycle, an aero generator typically has three blades and each set will be replaced several times in the generators lifetime, this gives nine to twelve blades over a twenty five year life, a wind farm of forty generators is four hundred and eighty blades, that's a lot to recycle, the resin burns dirty and is far from good to the planet and your left with the glass fibre waste that's of little use, except for landfill, again something we wish to avoid, some have been used as structures but there are only so many things you can build with them, so as I asked at the start, what would you do with them?.
@@CrusaderSports250 Recycling the blades is the smallest problem for these insane things. If necessary, we could simply drop them in the ocean. The bottom feeder don't care about stuff like that at all. So even in worse case, it is not a big problem. Those who will get hardest hit are those who even want to ban plastic bags and straws.
You are providing a great public service that the corporate media refuses to address. Many thanks for your courage to speak truth to power. Godspeed. Peace.
One other item you didn’t mention about repairing an EV is the Giga casting that can’t be repaired after an accident as it’s one piece, unlike a welded sheet metal stamped part that can be cut and replaced. Good video. Thanks.
They can be repaired, to some extent, they were designed as such. They are also deeply located with the car. If the castings are seriously damaged it’s been a serious hit and likely to have written off any (ice or EV) car anyway. The Tesla repair manual shows repairable vs non repairable areas of Giga casts. There also some areas (front crashes for example), where the cast is designed to be cut off for replacement, with replacement parts available. Not every stamped piece of metal can (or should) be cut out and replaced. Your statement implies that it can, which isn’t the case. Perhaps you should look at a Giga cast, where it is, what it does, and what it brings to the table (at a minimum, strength, lighter and significantly better manufacturability in terms of cost (savings) of equipment, speed of manufacture, factory footprint and better overall tolerances of output).
@@THEROADSMITH What do you mean with "not anymore"? Structural repairs of giant castings isn't something that has been done in the past since cars were never built that way. The only bigger issue is the lack of companies that are certified to weld those materials since it's new stuff across the industry.
The issue here in the uk seems to be we are all paying higher premiums to cover the cost of ev's, its unfair. Who decided that this was the way to go, its becoming more obvious day by day that it's not the way to go, we now have officials lying on tv about how certain fires started and police telling owners of burnt out ev's not to take or post any photo's of there burning cars.
Very good video, your point about EV batteries is true which few people realized, and the greatest risk to owning an EV. Thank you for highlighting it.
Hello Mguy as you may have seen/Heard about the fire at the Luton Multistorey Carpark in London. Around 1500 Cars Destroyed and the Multistorey may have to be Rebuilt Due to a Car that went on fire ( It has been Rumored a Diesel/Electric Range Rover ) In Germany EV,S are banned from Underground Carparks . I can see Insurance Companys simply Refusing to Provide cover for EV,s The risk is simply too high .
Even if the risk is no greater, it will be the perceived risk that will do it, with car park owners wanting to reduce their risk, with the "what if" scenario taking centre stage.
Great video thanks for sharing. Never have been a fan of EVs nor would I ever even consider buying one. Although I have a mechanical background I understand the science behind EVs and the points you raised are both very valid and points I’ve discussed many times over the years. Think the lack of safeguards and simply blind and brainwashed politicians and EV faithful will kill the EV take up in the not to distant future. As far as hydrogen and synthetic fuels go as big of a fan of hydrogen I am it still has major drawbacks like the fact that it requires extremely high amounts of energy to produce, is very dirty to produce and is difficult to store in very high quantities. Synthetic fuels to have their drawbacks as they are very expensive to produce and have much the same effect on the environment that traditional fuels have. As far as EVs go one thing that isn’t currently discussed that should be is in the event of a thermal runaway the dangerous and deadly gases that are released and the fact that there is no exact science to how to put out an EV fire or even training for those fighting EV fires outside of dumping the whole EV into large tanks of water for weeks at a time.
@@davidperry7128 😂🤣😂 Just because you are an EV fanboy what qualifies you as having a grip on reality or being declared sane? Outside of Tesla who do you think works on Hybrid and EVs these days?
I have a HHO generator producing hydrogen under the hood. I turn it on just before I start the car with a switch I installed on the dash. I don't have to buy what I make myself while going down the road. The entire world lies under the evil one and his hypnotic Matrix
Awesome, finally someone that did their homework! I also looked into hydrogen, since many think it will be the next saving grail. Specialists in Germany say it will take another 20 to 25 years to have it available in the amounts needed. But also produced with fossil fuels for now. From looking up research, without fossil fuel, the next 25 years will just not work without it, like it or not. Or just go back the way it was done 150 years ago, which is fine with me too.
Also, you have to factor in the use of the Giga Press which presses the whole body frame unit in one pressing. This makes much more difficult to repair damage to the frame of the vehicle. Thusly they have to write the vehicle offer that also.
Thusly!! hahaha most cars are totaled these days due to safety equipment from minor impacts. Of course you'll only focus on EV's but if you think every Toyota corolla T-boned at 30 MPH is going to be repaired your delusional!!
@@wdbldr67 It’s delusional to think that EV’s are going to replace combustion cars organically. The only way that’s happening is if it’s forced on the population. The reason that they want people to go over to EV’s it’s so they can easily control your travel. There is no real infrastructure for charging the the cars. Charging times are outrageous. The range on an EV is outrageously low, especially for a country like America, who’s States are Large as Countries in most of the world. Not to mention that you’ll have to strip mine, the planet for the rare earth medals. And factor in the hazardous waste from the batteries is horrendous. Additionally the extra weight will tear up the roads faster and collisions will become more dangerous due to that extra weight. And they haven’t even begun to start imposing the road use taxes they’re going to be demanding. That little surprise is coming soon too.
@@wdbldr67the reason they are written off is due to insurance companies having to warrant the repairs. They are not willing to take the losses so write the car off.
Completely Overlooked... The state of the roads and infestructure, the ubiquitous speed bumps water drainage dips potholes missing manhole covers and drainage grates... spells EV battery death and incineration /cremation /wildfires
Seems reasonable to me that the EV vehicles would have premiums based on risk and high repair costs. In my area many years ago they segregated motorcycles into their own risk class and had large increases as that group had to pay premiums based on repair and injury costs. It was no longer subsidized by the entire group of insureds - same applies here.
Great videos, you concern to detail and research is amazing. I totally agree, EVs are a waste of money and simply won't work.... Can you imagine trying to find a charging station in outback Australia in 40C temps. No worries mate!
did you know that all the large Aboriginal communities in remote NT, are alls buying evs now. All the larger communities have large solar pv arrays now, to reduce the need and expense of running diesel generators. The evs are charged with the surplus solar. When vehicle to grid ev function becomes available, these evs will also be large batteries to store the surplus solar. And due to the typical large distances travelled, the savings from not having to buy petrol is enormous. This is a fact mate, look it up.
@@stephenarbon2227 Sometimes a few hours in the sun is enough to finish you off out there. Temperatures can be much more than 40 degrees. Done it many times, without aircon you drink about 2 litres every 30 - 40 minutes - how water would you need to sit there for 2 days - also pretty uncomfortable.
The worst thing is the insurance on my 2007 Yaris went up 9% this year. I have never been in an accident or made a claim. I am helping subsidize insurance for people with brand new Teslas
Agree with all your point. In addition i was reading "Autocar" Oct.2023 today with a review of new Audi A4. So this ev version is over 500BHP,about 30 to 50% more expensive than ICE version ,about 30% heavier and twice as fast regarding accelleration.Given all the other probs you have outlined and the fact that following an accident,it would be more likely to be written off,it`s no wonder the insurance is very expensive.EV`s are Not the way forward, when are govts going to realise this?
I had a friend who was given a ride in his mates helicopter, during the flight, all the lights came on, as the lithium battery was overheating at 10k feet! Emergency landing and fast legs saved them as it went up in flames.
Yep. I can also see house insurance premiums be related to if you have EV(s) parked in them, and parking buildings, car ferries, tunnels, busy large bridges, and anywhere else an EV fire could result in significant cost and risk to life bringing restrictions to EVs. I'll stick to my ICE thanks.
Outstanding information! It was the battery in the early 20 century with electric vehicles, and it’s still the same problem today a hundred + years later, or be it different technologies. Just came across your channel, thank you for your common sense approach. 🇳🇿🇨🇦
It wasn't exactly batteries but it was related. The main reason ICE cars expanded was convenience, the ability to transport and access the energy needed to run them, in the early part of the 20th Century electricity was still not that common outside of major cities, accessing electricity was problematic, the energy required to run ICE cars could be easily transported to where it was needed and accessed easily. Unlike today range anxiety wasn't an issue many early battery cars had ranges equal to or better than ICE equivalents at the time. Today electricity is everywhere and is no longer the barrier it was for adoption for some EV users, with charging now approaching a reasonable threshold of convenience the main issue to be solved is still easy access to the electricity needed to recharge the EV for not just some but ALL users, it will come but is not yet here today.
Catch up - we have the LFP or blade batteries now "In the nail penetration test, the battery industry's stringent safety test, the Blade Battery emitted no smoke or fire after being penetrated, and its surface temperature reached only 30 to 60 °C (86 to 140 °F). It is currently the only power battery in the world that can safely pass the test. In addition, it successfully passed an extreme safety test that saw it being rolled over by a 46-tonne heavy-duty truck. The Blade Battery also passed other extreme test conditions, such as being crushed, bent, being heated in a furnace to 300 °C (572 °F) and overcharged by 260%. None of these resulted in a fire or explosion".
My brother just reinsured his house and found a clause that denied cover if an EV was parked on the property. Since he does not have or has any intention of owning an EV its not a deal breaker!
@@KidHorn7001lol, another one with buyers remorse 🤔🤔 I have heard the same several times about home building insurance and EV's Glad I didn't get an EV or experimental mRNA gene therapy injection, best to wait for the gullable people to beta test, no covid or died suddenly and no lithium bomb destroying my house.
You are spot on about the batteries. There is another elephant in the room. There is not enough copper and steel to build the power lines and substations required to power the chargers required, to say nothing about the generating plants that would need to be built. I would like to hear a blog about this subject.
A lot of power transmission cables use aluminium, not copper. E.g. in my street the buried 3-phase cable is aluminium, with short single phase ones to each house being copper cables tapped into it underground. The 2 core service ones are flexible enough to install into the buildings. The only long stretches of copper cable I’m aware of are the overhead line contact wires on electrified railways, copper being physically suitable for the task. It’s true that the distribution cable in my street wouldn’t cope with every house having EV chargers on simultaneously, though. Distribution is more of an issue than central generation to cope with a large increase in those things.
@@johnkeepin7527 Distribution is the problem. The substation transformers are huge and must be wound with copper unless you can tolerate high losses which sort of negate the whole cleaner greener thing. Then securing new and modified easements for the enlarged distribution grid: that will be like securing new permits and licenses to build a nuclear reactor.
I was first on scene for a truck fire on the Bruce Highway. Cab of truck went from low burn to high burn, diesel tank ruptured and fuel burnt off in about 5 minutes (no explosion - Apart from tires). Trailer caught fire and burnt out (mostly empty). Fire fighters did assist with containment but the truck was fully consumed in 1.2 hours - Nothing left to burn. 1.5 hours after initial crash the Police were able to partially open the road, and some traffic movement got started. If this was an EV that highway would have been blocked for a day and burnt 3 time hotter and probably damage that side of the roads black top.
I'd be concerned with home charging and if garage was connected to the home. It's clear an EV fire cannot be extinguished and it gives off toxic gases, if they contaminate your home what are the ramifications. Do you have to pay a home premium addition?
5:24 "changes forecast to add 20 Pounds a year onto all car insurance premiums. " Please note that they want petrol and diesel car owners to shoulder the burden of these risky electric cars. This is insanity.
@@sahhull UK inflation will be a factor actuaries always integrate into their models. If you want to know the real rate of inflation your will usually find it in your insurance premium renewal! I have very rarely renewed and usually find a better quote for exactly the same cover elsewhere.
I often wonder how roadside assistance deals with electric vehicle issues for example if my petrol vehicle runs out of fuel RACQ will supply up to 10 litres of fuel to get me to the nearest service station, I'm assuming that there isn't an option for a Jerry can holding 10 litres of electricity🤔 does that mean a tow truck would need to be arranged and if this is the case do we ALL have our roadside assistance premiums affected?
Enjoying the EV discussions, I am hoping to get in to a Porsche 928 next year, that is a 80’s classic V8, but all the research and dreaming of getting an older car like this could be gone for the next generation if these EV’s are still produced.
I would actually go for a 944 Turbo, if you can find one. Those things had smaller engines, but far better balance, power to weight, and build quality. And they have a better looking rear end to boot.
Excellent video, thoughtful and perceptive about where the EV truly stands as far as I'm concerned. I'm all for EV's, but battery technology, at present just can't give milage range sufficient to replace ICE vehicles. I know NASA and the U.S. military are working on new battery technology, if anyone can solve that problem, it's them. They'll spend a Gazillion $$$$ on problem, then trickle down to the rest of us. Again, excellent video!!!
Let's say they can diagnose it and there is a problem they still have to replace or repair - if it can be repaired at a catastrophic cost. I don't want these Soylent Green EV's insurance issues being spread to my premiums.
The white elephant in the room. I didn't have favourable feelings in them from day one. My friends bought one in good faith, and it has been a complete nightmare since they have had it with various issues and breakdowns miles away from home coupled with complications with being able to move it. Places like Eurostar and other enclosed areas are a huge concern. Forgive me if I am wrong, but I have heard that the fumes from the burning batteries on EV's can be life threateningly toxic?
I know four people who were in minor fender benders with cosmetic damage but due to sensor issue and condition of the battery they were scrapped. All these cars were less than one year old. One car was one month old, and it was written off and the person could not get reinsured on a replacement EV from the company. This is over $CDN250,000 in vehicles scrapped. Replacing a car's battery is typically about 75% of the purchase price of the car. here in Canada the quarantine radius could be raised up to 100 meters from 50 meters. I gave up driving cars when EV's first appeared. I saw the risks and the prices were out of reach for my middle-income situation. I am now in a low-income situation and will likely never drive again. We are also seeing theft risk added on premium riders being applied on top of normal high-risk insurance on specific models of EV's as well. Some ev drivers are being forced to goto facility commercial insurance at three to five times consumer rates. One friend was told she would have to go to a high-risk facility at over $CDN6,000 a month or $CDN72,000 a year! She got rid of the car altogether. She has now been red flagged and can no longer get regular insurance for 7 to 10 years. She moved closer to work and now rides and e-bike.
My good friend has been quoted £2500 to insure a Toyota EV he was going to buy! He’s 67 and in good health,hence he’s going to buy another petrol/diesel now😂😂😂
My main worry is that the car industry will become fully committed to producing ev's, then when it all goes to custard and they become unviable, the skills to build and maintain petrol/hydrogen engines cars will have vanished.
I remember vividly the time when I started with vaping. The battery carrier uses the same battery as EVs, but of course only one or I think up to 4 depending on the model. There were some accidents that spread all across the newspapers where people carried a battery in their pockets unprotected. They had a short when the battery came in contact with a key or a coin and experienced a thermal runaway at worst in their pants. There were long discussions about banning e-cigarettes for being hazardous which then never happened. To me now it’s unimaginable hilarious that there are no news articles about the risks of thousands of the exact same batteries encased in one car. People should be warned that even a small accident might damage a battery in that encasement and politicians should start recognising the risks. 🤯😤
I said this from the very beginning of Tesla boom Minor bump can cost 20k + to fix, where as it would be 2~3k to fix ICE after the same accident. One issue leading to this is battery but another big one is the gigacasting. What they praise as a best thing since sliced bread for shortening and making production cheaper, in an event of crash, you have to replace one giant expensive piece instead of few smaller and cheaper ones. It's insanity
I used rechargeable batteries just like the one they use 1000s in these EV’s ! I worked for 10 years at night with FedEx doing repairs to trucks, I had to charge them daily for my flashlights . I tried cheaper and more expensive batteries to see what lasted . It helped but still was disappointing, especially for the amount each manufacturer said they could be recycled , only to find they degraded quickly ! I can’t imagine 1000s of these batteries tied together wondering which ones might be bad over time ! When they introduced these EV’s I knew this was going to be a problem for that alone ! Now with this report with the insurance companies , No way will I purchase an EV !
There could also be a ban on parking in underground car parks due to the possibility of fire. I just hope they don't wait until a disaster occurs first.
Only had my Tesla 12mths, loved the car and the charging, but the insurance was beyond ridiculous at renewal. Over double my original quote, considering getting rid and going back to ICE cars……..kinda dammed if you do, dammed if you don’t!
My insurance last year, including a named driver & no claims in 26 years, was £248, renewal quote was nearly £800, managed to get insurance with another company at £435, this has to be down to EV's
But without knowing you'll still say it is. Maybe your a crap driver and insurance considers you a high risk. If those are monthly prices good lord slow down and drive safe.
My renewal just paid. Last year £320 This year £390 This is for a 20 year old vauxhall combo diesel van. I've never known insurance to reduce. It's always gone up.
Sadly from 2030 on all combustion cars including classics will be banned from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia :-( In Germany the Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025 on by reducing all conventional fuel stations to only one state operated central gas station per city or county. Now they even want to slow down all the gas pumps from 20 litre per minute to 2 litre per minute...From 2027 on in the EU certain car spare parts will be banned too....as exhaust systems, turbo chargers and even some engine and gearbox oils...California and New York will do the same from 2027 on.... So no investments should be done in oil burning cars any longer....They even created a new kind of crime here, called emissions and smoke crime. "Bundesabgasbespaßungsverbot" in German. :-//
Good video..., well explained...👍. This must expand to Hybrid too wouldn't it..?. I've heard that the fire at Luton Airport was caused by a Diesel / Hybrid.., but that has not been confirmed..
My daily driver is a 2012 KIA Soul base and since I am retired my fuel usage and cost is very, very minimal. This car is a zero emission vehicle and it gets about 36 mpg on average. I considered an EV or a Hybrid at one time , but the battery problems that existed at the time kept me away from them. I am truly grateful now, it seems that the problems are getting worse, not better. Good job here, subscribed.....
It is not only the cost of insuring an EV that will be very expensive or impossible to obtain cover for but also your property fire insurance will increase if you own one and park it whilst charging overnight just waiting for one of the lithium cells to ignite. After the multi-story car park fire at Luton airport i think in future parking EV's in one may be banned or will become very expensive due to the high risks involved. Clearly EV's are not a viable answer until an alternative power source that is safe become available.
It is also the structure. Tesla tries to stamp entire side panels out of a single piece of steel. Legacy cars are welded together and can be cut and rewelded. The Tesla has to be almost disassembled.
There is a handy way to tell when the battery in an EV is faulty and about to go into thermal runaway. Go to the rear of the vehicle and look at the boot lid. If there's a badge bearing the script 'Tesla', then it will definitely go into thermal runaway and catch fire.
That clickbait thumbnail doesn't look right. The fire is happening at the front and rear of the car, where there is no battery. The battery is underneath the car in a Tesla. Seems like a photoshop or a car set on fire deliberately by other means.
Increased insurance rates for EV’s shouldn’t be a problem.The government bureaucrats will just use your tax money to subsidize the idiots that buy them.
We are cross subsidizing them because they can't charge the high premiums. My friend had to have his car shipped from UK after a small accident for battery to be checked. His car was a Toyota hybrid
Emergency responders are advised to not bother with spinal boards or neck braces. Just drag EV victims out asap and get away before it combusts. Wow!. Paralysis is EV too?
Wow, I've been watching your videos recently. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who see's that going electric is not the solution. Keep up the good work. Greetings from Everett, Washington USA.
I beg to differ, I have an Hyundai i30 2011 and paid about $700 for agreed value of $7.500 insurance, as I am looking for a EV I priced insurance for a new MG4 EV the quote came in at about $1,100.
Agree that the radically higher insurance rates are almost certainly a genuine signal that there are safety problems with current battery technology. While there is clearly a deeply entrenched status quo opposing EV adoption including such unlikely bedfellows as the oil industry and the American United Auto Workers, the EV lobby is blindly techno optimistic. All technologies have their downsides, or bads and disservices as Louis Mumford put it. Big picture I think that ICE technology is mature and not likely to be significantly improved, while EV technology has much more upside potential from an engineering perspective. It is becoming clear that serious issues with current battery technology are emerging. It took Ford from 1908 to 1933 to stop putting the fuel tank over the legs of the people in the front seat. Meanwhile I’ll keep driving my late 20th century Toyotas here in sunny Western Australia.
I've been driving BEVs for 15 years we are 100% electric. We have been with the same insurance company for 50 years & our car insurance with open driving is very reasonable. They are very happy insuring electric cars as they know petrol cars are 16 times more likely to catch fire than BEVs.
@wilkoone9155 I've lived off grid in the UK for 4 years, recently got a PHEV, just about to more than double my solar to cope with the car, even then my diesel generator will need to pick up the slack for 6 to 8 weeks over winter, my diesel bill is less than the UK standing charge for mains electricity (£180 PA). I'm doing it purely out of interest, nothing to do with ECO, I would happily burn tyres to make fuel!
Here in Australia evs start at 54 thousand dollars A tesla can cost you up to 150 grand What normal people that tupe of money just laying around when theuy have a prefectly good petrol.or diesel vehicle in the driveway ?
What pixxes me off is we are ALL paying more insurance because all premiums go up , I was paying less than a £100 2 years ago and now I'm paying over £250 for my classic.
There is a video out there that showed fire fighters putting out a fire about 4 times on a Tesla. They finally thought the fire was done and loaded the destroyed car on a flat deck trailer and then it started to burn again. Yikes!!!!!
@@jazzydave8453 Its not a problem that needs to be 'gotten over'. There have been around 320 documented EV fires globally (IIRC), and well over 10,000 ICE ones. So, if anything, we need to 'get over this ICE problem'.
@@geoffsclassiccars your incorrect (and your ignorance is appalling btw, try doing the simplest of searches before you type…). For example: In a recent study conducted by AutoInsuranceEZ, an American insurance company, the frequency of fires in automobiles was examined in 2021. Vehicles with internal combustion engines (your traditional petrol and diesel vehicles) had a significantly higher number of fires compared to fully electric vehicles. The study revealed that petrol and diesel vehicles experienced 1530 fires per 100,000 vehicles, while only 25 out of 100,000 fully electric vehicles caught fire. These findings clearly demonstrate that EVs are actually less likely to catch fire than their petrol counterparts. These statistics are further supported by the Tesla 2020 Impact Report, which states that there has been one Tesla vehicle fire for every 205 million miles traveled. In comparison, data collected in the US shows that there is one fire for every 19 million miles traveled by ICE vehicles. These facts are further supported by the Australian Building Codes Board, supporting the global experience of EVs to date indicates they have a lower likelihood of being involved in a fire than internal combustion engines. Ref: evse.com.au/blog/electric-vehicle-fires/ Any other searches show similar stats. So no, sorry, you’re wrong.
@@geoffsclassiccars Look up the statistics at the NHTSA site, and you'll find that the truth is exactly the opposite. And LFP batteries, now finding wider use, are even safer.
If vehicle fires were a major concern to insurance companies ICEVs would have been uninsurable years ago. Still, don’t let logic get in the way of your grift eh?
Hybrids have much smaller batteries with far fewer lithium battery cells. That makes fires far less likely and may also lead to structural packaging of the ballery pack in a shape and location where it is less likely to experience mechanical damage. On top of that, if a hybrid battery catches fire, it releases less energy which makes it easier to cool off and less likely for the fire to spread to neighboring cars and structures, etc.
And don't forget house insurance /body corporate insurance if they are parked within the premises, bet the boffins in insurance are clicking the abacus
Just want to add that make and or model of car do not have OBDII port to plug a diagnostic toll. It really make the troubleshooting very difficult or next to impossible.
You don’t even mention the fact that they have a Giga Pressing as the entire main body so they’re actually not easily repairable! So they have to be Totaled because it’s cost prohibitive to repair a Giga Pressed frame. It’s all one piece and Intercal to the structure and safety of the car. And now other companies are also going to the Giga Press model because it’s money saving. Soon all cars with accident damage, will be pretty much become unrepairable.
In the USA the gumment is going to subsidize the insurance to bring the cost to the buyer to a level equal to insurance of a comparable gasoline driven car.
EV insurance costs should be siloed to only EV users, not allowed to be subsidised by all ICE road users.
Any evidence that's happening?
@@KidHorn7001 There is none.
Great idea 💡 👍 Can it be implemented
From what I was told, many vehicle accidents between internal combustion cars and electric cars do happen. And the problem is the electric cars cost about 8 to 10 times as much for a minor fender bender repair as conventional cars. Case in point a recent rivian truck that had a very minor dent in the rear bumper was a 43,000 repair. There's a video about it here on youtube.
@@basspig insanity
Passing the cost of insurance to other car users should be classed as fraud/criminal
Insurers should form a separate entity that insures only EV's, so the rest of us who had sense enough to not buy an EV in the first place, aren't subsidizing the idiots who did.
They should also pay road tax, which is paid for in the US by gasoline sales.
Pretty much everything is fraud. The fact that you are only noticing in one area, is the big issue.
@@dougfisher1813 There are two ways road tax could be collected on EVs.
One is to put that tax on electric bills, which would affect everyone and would be unfair to those who don't own EVs.
The other way would be to add the tax to the cost of charging an EV at the charger. Any charger, home or public. Taxing an EV charged solely at home might be more difficult because a monitoring system would have to be installed to register every time the EV is charged. And this would go over like a lead balloon. Or, the power company could go back before the person owned an EV and use that as a base, then charge the tax based on increased use. Which wouldn't take into account a lot of factors causing an increased use of electricity.
And maybe there's a third way to tax EVs charged at home. Simply add an additional tax on the power bill to everyone who owns an EV. The question would then be, on how the tax would be calculated.
Should it be calculated daily, every other day, every three days, every four days, five days, six days, or every seven days? Or every two or three weeks? Or even once a month? Once this is decided, then the tax rate would have to be determined.
Then once this is all determined, it'd be time for two aspirins and a glass of water.
Same could be said about the government meatheads pushing the "we must go EV" nonsense. I guess they just want people to end in horrible ways, lose thousands after their EV´s went runaway mode and that not including the amount of damage potential caused towards other people´s property.
I guess they only care about their personal shares increase they likely have in EV companies or companies that build EV related parts. Force a demand and your investment will increase as people aren´t allowed to have a choice.
If the EV industry really has faith in its products then perhaps they should set up insurance companies to provide affordable cover for their customers.
That’s exactly what Tesla has done in the USA, and probably will do elsewhere.
Tesla has done exactly that!
Why? My insurance for my EV is pretty affordable. Where is the problem?
EV owners have heard all this crap for literally more than a decade now.
"Your insurance this, your battery that, my mate this, my neighbor that, I've read this, I've heard that..."
It's all just a bunch of bs.
@mikeportjogger1 I couldn't agree with you more. However, any of those car companies would be foolish to provide insurance for their electric vehicle sales. They may as well go ahead and provide residence insurance also for the extremely dangerous fire hazards that these vehicles present to their homes and the other residents within their immediate area.
This insurance thing isn’t bs. In the UK people are being told their insurers no longer insure EVs or they are being quoted thousands. I’m all for EVs but battery technology has a lot of progress yet to come. If you look at energy density of petrol vs batteries you’ll find it’s around 50x. A battery of course cannot have the same density but it gives you an idea of what could be possible. Say we see a 4x increase in energy density that could make the battery over 4 times smaller, lighter (making the vehicle more efficient), more easily replaced and there would be more options for where the battery could be placed to better protect it. The devaluation of today’s cars will be massive. So I’m all for people buying them now because that essentially funds research but I personally will not be buying one for at least 7 years.
Excellent video for us here in Australia. The push for EV's is not about the environment or sustainability. It's all about control ! Cheers Mate !!
That's hilarious. Oil companies are the ones in control. I can plug my car in and charge directly off solar at home. Last time I checked big oil companies don't sneak into people's garages and fill their tanks with free fuel while they aren't looking.
Another stupid comment
It's about the fact that with fuel use currently soaring exponentially we've only got about 30 years left.
The ICE car ban will take effect in 2035 in Europe for new cars, and we can expect ICE cars to remain on the road for another 14 years. That's 26 years total. Much longer than that and you won't be able to drive it even if you want to.
If you are old, no need to worry - you can drive ICE cars till the day you die. If you are young you will have to get used to EVs or alternatively get used to public transport. Your choice.
@@PGHEngineer You don't know what will happen in 20 years - we could well be driving hydrogen cars.
@@NaughtyGoatFarm As long as it doesn't burn your house and its solar system down. I wouldn't have one charging in my home.
Here in Los Angeles ,California. An EV car hit and jumped over a center divider. The car bursted into flames and the occupants sadly died because the doors could not open. No mentioned of the type of car on the news. People in the comment section wrote it was a Tesla. These EVs are not safe!
Unlike ordinary internal combustion engine cars, which have never ever blown up or caught fire in all of human history.
@@ouethojlkjn Yes but which ICE cars have burst into flames and trapped the occupants inside when there was no escape, only after simply hitting a centre divider? Your strawman argument is sticking your head in the sand and imagining nothing to see here.
@@ouethojlkjn You watch too many movies. That vast, vast majority of car crashes don't involve fire, and any that do would have certainly triggered a battery blaze.
Sounds more like the manufacturers' fault than the EV's fault. You know, those idiots who chain almost every control in the EV, including the AC, the heater, the door locks or door security system into one big tablet at the center of the vehicle, the tablet that could fail electrically, which in turn could lead to the failure of the door locks, in case of emergency.
The manufacturers of EVs could try isolated car keys or manual locks like the ones, in the 1970's through the early 2000's.
@@sajjie8121 Anyone can pick on one single incident to reinforce their world view. Here is one for you, a Tesla Model S falls 150 feet down a cliff, does not catch fire, and everyone walks away. Go look it up.
The reason behind going to battery vehicles is to save the planet. The transition is playing out with the opposite effect. Lithium battery packs are great for power tools and hobby toys, phones, etc, but not for pushing overweight luxury vehicles.
wrong lithium battery.
@@davidperry7128 Wrong… all batteries! It’s a weight to efficiency science.
@@retiredbore378 I have had dogs for 40 years - never had a dog that did not jump into a car as soon I got in or before.
The purported reason is to save the planet. The real reason is for a few to get rich off the backs of the sheeple. Plus Control!
That's not the reason. The reason is to put the automakers out of business. The governments of the world know that EV's won't work. They don't want everyone to own an EV, they want everyone on foot, so they are easier to control.
I've just re-insured my two cars, both ICE, and after years of the premiums failing or remaining static they have both increased by around 20%. I wonder why. Am I paying for the increased risks associated with EV's?
Yes you are.
no. ua-cam.com/video/vSu7b-8Y-fA/v-deo.html
YES YES EVANGLISTS costing us more
No you’re not. It’s expensive to repair any vehicle even a low speed impact can cost many thousands and the type of vehicle is irrelevant, my insurance for my electric vehicles has been cheaper than the equivalent spec and performance petrol vehicles, even my sail boat insurance has decreased since I converted it to electric drive. Diesel and petrol fires are a major concern on boats for insurers due to the higher possibility of ignition.
You're not. Your rates have gone up because the expected costs for your vehicle have gone up. Nothing else.
Forcing everyone to have an EV was never about saving the planet. It was to limit your ability to travel freely.
Exactly. Car emissions are FA in the scheme of things.. Too bad EV fanboys are uneducated AF..
Too true
Hey, someone that speaks the Queen’s English!!!
Exactly.
Ugh no. Fossil fuel is an issue. You can go as far as you want in a EV between chargers like you can with refueling ya gas car. EVs are still in early stages and more will be done to improve them. Like it or not, unleaded and diesel cars will not be sold new at a later date. I had a prang not at fault in my petrol car that was unrepairable due to an airbag fault. Car was sent to the wreckers. Any later car will have their issues due to so much controlled by the computer. I remember the old VW cars igniting in the old days and peeps still bought them. Hyundai has had fire issues. So insurance will be affected by this. No diff
Having lived with lipo batteries for 20 years in RC models I know the pitfalls and the dangers and also the benefits.
For a toy that I am NOT inside of it's fine and risks are worth it for the convenience factor of flying around quietly and easily without mess or dealing with fuel and starters etc etc ,
In that time I have had one fire and one near fire due to elevtronics speed controller faults, that single fire was early on but was enough for me to know that I would NOT want to be anywhere near one when it goes up in flames, and the idea of being in a car full of them essentially trapped perhaps in the fast lane of the motorway etc etc fill me with fear.
Combine that with electronic locking and windows that can potentially lock you inside the car and I am terrified lol,
remember HAL from a space odessy ?
Yes,very well,and with AI already here,Hal is just round the corner.Very good point about electric windows,locks etc.A lot of cars have auto locking doors when you drive off and only open when you try to unlock said door.
Which is why teslas have mechanical door releases as well. Seriously did you think (clearly you didn’t) that safety would be compromised in the way?
And if you’ve been hit and the doors are jammed, which can happen to both, I’d rather be in an EV due to it’s significantly lower fire risk.
Have you heard about the Guy who put his crashed RC Heli into the boot of his new BMW? Spontaneous ignition and soon no Heli and burnt to the ground BMW.
Let me out of the car. Car AI I cant do that , Dave. literally
@@ChrisGWarp(Did you think?) EV’s are a substantially higher fire risk!! EV fires are also exponentially more aggressive!! The wash off and gases released during a fire are also far more devastating to human life and the environment!! (Clearly you didn’t)
For just once, the insurance companies will be doing the planet a favour. Pricing evs off the road, making the world safer for us motorists, and eliminate or vastly reduce the exploitation of Congo children mining the metals for ev batteries.
Trouble is, most naive ev buyers will get an insurance quote after they have payed their deposit for their battery powered toy
Awe those poor babies, but you'll have to give up on medical implants, Oh and that Congo material is used as a catalyst to make petrol, lets not forget the manufacture of High speed compressor blades in Jet engines as well as tens of thousands of other uses. Really people do some fkn homework!! We should stop buying the material and let them all starve because their own govt that gets rich from the sales don't care one bit. And really neither do any of you.
In my country insurance companies have statistics about repair costs and charge after that. every year there is a small adjustment to some car models. Interestingly EVs are in average 25% cheaper to insure compared to gasoline and diesel models. With some models only the EVs are more expensive to insure but overall the EVs are cheaper to insure...
Insurance companies are like the bank at casinos, they never lose and will always er on the Conservative side
LFP batteries do not use cobalt or nickel and are used in BYD and some Tesla models otherwise Tesla cylindrical batteries are either NCM or NCA chemistry.
You can’t put out a battery fire, all you can do is try your best to contain it until IT burns itself out.
wait I thought only Ferrari cars catch fire due to fire damage.🤣🤣🤣
Great topic. In California we are seeing situations where insurers are just writing off EV’s in crashes because the batteries cost so much.
The trouble is it’s the petrol & diesel guys that are having to pay for for them the way they are putting up the price of insurance
A neighbor here in Utah had a brand new EV as a loaner car while their Mercedes ICE car was in for service. The car caught fire in the garage and burned the house down completely. Not only did the insurance company had to pay for the car but also a million dollar+ house.
Edit: news link for the EV skeptics: ua-cam.com/video/SIpXkQhq1ps/v-deo.html
Yes I saw a report about that fire looked like a really nice house 🏡
soon the ev insurance policies will have an out clause ie they ins co wont pay a dime in construction property damage if the car was parked within 30 ft of a building. and ferries wont permit them to board, and none will b allowed in any parking garages anywhere. too dangerous...
An EV on fire is much harder to put out than a gasoline car on fire. The EVs are more rare to catch fire than gasoline or diesel models, though.
im worried about my neighbors Tesla causing their house to ignite which takes out mine too!
have you talked to him about this? if hes a true leftie he will scoff at you. UNTIL it happens, then he will blame you for something...@@chrisbueschel3884
You are on the money MGUY. I wonder what thoughts you had and have now on the experimental medical procedure of recent years? Anyone who spoke against the mainstream narrative was marginalised/censored/ pilloried/cancelled (some of the above/all of the above) and now the same thing is happening with ev's (and of course climate change and I'll throw in illegal immigration also). Not wanting to get off topic (this is after all about ev's), but there is a common thread running through all of these big issues. When dissenting voices are silenced/crushed, we are being brainwashed and we should instead, be informed.
Spot on. Add the manufactured wars, such as Ukraine and now Israel.
The old “three dart finish”?
Is it because most of the western world have given up on faith and churches, and the people in power need a new religion to keep the masses in check?
To me Religion was always about keeping the masses singing the same hymns, and having the unpaid actors/do-gooders watching their neighbours.
Ester Mcvey speechin house of commons.
All it really does is provoke people to speak out more , if someone ridicules me for my opinions, I do it more
not only a fire risk, but they also wear the roads out quicker because they are heavier. The mad rush to migrate to EV wasn't thought out fully. Would get the same or better environmental beneficial impact if motorway speeds limits were reduced, engines tuned correctly and encouragement given to keeping cars longer. A new car may burn fuel more efficiently but it takes a lot of fuel to make it.
In Britain Insurance premiums are set to rise 10 fold this year. the EV is a busted flush.
My Van insurance went from £290 to £900 this September, never claimed, never convicted, shopped around and got it to £570.........whoopee doo, what a result, it only doubled 😵
@@GBPaddling All car insurance has shot up because of the steep rise in used car prices I think. But EV insurance has gone up a great deal more. My petrol car insurance also went up about 80% but it's still very cheap (being over 50 helps in my case).
@@GBPaddling😳😳😳
Really? 10x higher. What a load of crap.
@@KidHorn7001 Google it.
Electric car owners are facing close to 1000 percent rises in their insurance premiums during a cost of living crisis, reports show.
Some owners have seen their premiums spike by over £4,000 compared to last year in a move which has baffled owners and left them out of pocket ahead of winter.
Tesla owners have shared their stories in a Facebook group where they have told others about the horror premiums they now have to pay.
One owner said Aviva refused to insure him and his Tesla Model Y when his insurance came up for renewal and that other brands had turned him away.
There was a very interesting video on the Hydraulic Press Channel recently which showed the results of crushing and piercing various types of lithium cell.
Some burned, some exploded, some merely squished into a gooey mess with no apparent sign of fire at all.
EVangelists were quick to point out that the 'squishing' variety PROVED that such lithium batteries were inherently safe in a collision, because using the appropriate chemistry (ion, polymer, phosphate, whatever) in all cars would make EVs the super-safe, planet-saving wonders they'd always believed them to be.
But that's deliberately missing the point.
The point is that the way EV batteries react to physical trauma is only part of the issue. The real problem is that they can malfunction for any number of unseen reasons long after a minor shunt or bouncing over a speed-bump, and give absolutely no indication that they may - or may not - be on the brink of a catastrophic failure.
Of course, they probably aren't, but there's no way to tell. Just because it hasn't happened to your vehicle doesn't mean that it isn't already happening to the one parked next to you.
The invisible nature of electricity means that you really ought to check every weld and connection every time the vehicle is used. That's how the scientists and engineers treat space-probes before sending them off to Saturn. It's the only way to be sure, and it's not possible to run similar checks on your Tesla every time you nip down to the shops.
Unsuspected, unexplained electrical faults are the issue, not the robustness of the chosen battery chemistry.
With a petrol car you can smell a fuel leak. You can see drips and puddles. Broken things can be fixed. The recent concern over the ethanol added to petrol causing flexible fuel lines in older vehicles to perish and fail is something that's easily remedied.
But battery fires often start without warning. An electrical fault could lie dormant for weeks or months before suddenly triggering a fire. If the car's second-hand, you have no idea how the previous owner treated it.
It doesn't matter how your battery responds to physical damage. It's what you can't see that hurts you.
Good info. Could you make a video about disposal of suspect or damaged EV batteries? It seems that, as with wind turbines, everyone looks the other way when the subject of blade disposal comes up.
Wind turbine blades are recycled, its taken a while to get there but is up & running as burying them in landfill will be banned from 2025. Rome wasn't built in a day.
They get recycled. It's a profitable and growing business.
@@KidHorn7001out off interest how would you recycle the blades. They are made of fibreglass, a material that is very difficult to recycle, an aero generator typically has three blades and each set will be replaced several times in the generators lifetime, this gives nine to twelve blades over a twenty five year life, a wind farm of forty generators is four hundred and eighty blades, that's a lot to recycle, the resin burns dirty and is far from good to the planet and your left with the glass fibre waste that's of little use, except for landfill, again something we wish to avoid, some have been used as structures but there are only so many things you can build with them, so as I asked at the start, what would you do with them?.
Battery recycling is becoming more and more common inEurope. Such a shame that Australia and the US ARE behind the curve.
@@CrusaderSports250 Recycling the blades is the smallest problem for these insane things. If necessary, we could simply drop them in the ocean. The bottom feeder don't care about stuff like that at all. So even in worse case, it is not a big problem. Those who will get hardest hit are those who even want to ban plastic bags and straws.
You are providing a great public service that the corporate media refuses to address. Many thanks for your courage to speak truth to power. Godspeed. Peace.
One other item you didn’t mention about repairing an EV is the Giga casting that can’t be repaired after an accident as it’s one piece, unlike a welded sheet metal stamped part that can be cut and replaced. Good video. Thanks.
They can be repaired, to some extent, they were designed as such. They are also deeply located with the car. If the castings are seriously damaged it’s been a serious hit and likely to have written off any (ice or EV) car anyway. The Tesla repair manual shows repairable vs non repairable areas of Giga casts. There also some areas (front crashes for example), where the cast is designed to be cut off for replacement, with replacement parts available.
Not every stamped piece of metal can (or should) be cut out and replaced. Your statement implies that it can, which isn’t the case.
Perhaps you should look at a Giga cast, where it is, what it does, and what it brings to the table (at a minimum, strength, lighter and significantly better manufacturability in terms of cost (savings) of equipment, speed of manufacture, factory footprint and better overall tolerances of output).
not true at all
Depending what country your in you can’t cut and or reweld structural aspects of cars anymore anyway.
@@THEROADSMITH What do you mean with "not anymore"?
Structural repairs of giant castings isn't something that has been done in the past since cars were never built that way. The only bigger issue is the lack of companies that are certified to weld those materials since it's new stuff across the industry.
@@Tschacki_Quackidepending where your from cars with structural repairs are not legal on the roads
The issue here in the uk seems to be we are all paying higher premiums to cover the cost of ev's, its unfair. Who decided that this was the way to go, its becoming more obvious day by day that it's not the way to go, we now have officials lying on tv about how certain fires started and police telling owners of burnt out ev's not to take or post any photo's of there burning cars.
Very good video, your point about EV batteries is true which few people realized, and the greatest risk to owning an EV. Thank you for highlighting it.
One can imagine a condo tower with dozens of EV parked in the basement as we do here in wintery canada and one catches fire.
If Trudeau was sitting in the one that lit, I would grab a bag of marshmallows.
Hello Mguy as you may have seen/Heard about the fire at the Luton Multistorey Carpark in London. Around 1500 Cars Destroyed and the Multistorey may have to be Rebuilt Due to a Car that went on fire ( It has been Rumored a Diesel/Electric Range Rover ) In Germany EV,S are banned from Underground Carparks . I can see Insurance Companys simply Refusing to Provide cover for EV,s The risk is simply too high .
Even if the risk is no greater, it will be the perceived risk that will do it, with car park owners wanting to reduce their risk, with the "what if" scenario taking centre stage.
Germany has not banned EVs from underground carparks.
Great video thanks for sharing. Never have been a fan of EVs nor would I ever even consider buying one. Although I have a mechanical background I understand the science behind EVs and the points you raised are both very valid and points I’ve discussed many times over the years. Think the lack of safeguards and simply blind and brainwashed politicians and EV faithful will kill the EV take up in the not to distant future. As far as hydrogen and synthetic fuels go as big of a fan of hydrogen I am it still has major drawbacks like the fact that it requires extremely high amounts of energy to produce, is very dirty to produce and is difficult to store in very high quantities. Synthetic fuels to have their drawbacks as they are very expensive to produce and have much the same effect on the environment that traditional fuels have. As far as EVs go one thing that isn’t currently discussed that should be is in the event of a thermal runaway the dangerous and deadly gases that are released and the fact that there is no exact science to how to put out an EV fire or even training for those fighting EV fires outside of dumping the whole EV into large tanks of water for weeks at a time.
Mechanical background, doesn't qualify you for EVs
@@davidperry7128 😂🤣😂 Just because you are an EV fanboy what qualifies you as having a grip on reality or being declared sane? Outside of Tesla who do you think works on Hybrid and EVs these days?
I have a HHO generator producing hydrogen under the hood. I turn it on just before I start the car with a switch I installed on the dash. I don't have to buy what I make myself while going down the road. The entire world lies under the evil one and his hypnotic Matrix
Awesome, finally someone that did their homework! I also looked into hydrogen, since many think it will be the next saving grail. Specialists in Germany say it will take another 20 to 25 years to have it available in the amounts needed. But also produced with fossil fuels for now. From looking up research, without fossil fuel, the next 25 years will just not work without it, like it or not. Or just go back the way it was done 150 years ago, which is fine with me too.
Also, you have to factor in the use of the Giga Press which presses the whole body frame unit in one pressing. This makes much more difficult to repair damage to the frame of the vehicle. Thusly they have to write the vehicle offer that also.
Thusly!! hahaha most cars are totaled these days due to safety equipment from minor impacts. Of course you'll only focus on EV's but if you think every Toyota corolla T-boned at 30 MPH is going to be repaired your delusional!!
@@wdbldr67
It’s delusional to think that EV’s are going to replace combustion cars organically. The only way that’s happening is if it’s forced on the population.
The reason that they want people to go over to EV’s it’s so they can easily control your travel. There is no real infrastructure for charging the the cars. Charging times are outrageous. The range on an EV is outrageously low, especially for a country like America, who’s States are Large as Countries in most of the world.
Not to mention that you’ll have to strip mine, the planet for the rare earth medals. And factor in the hazardous waste from the batteries is horrendous. Additionally the extra weight will tear up the roads faster and collisions will become more dangerous due to that extra weight. And they haven’t even begun to start imposing the road use taxes they’re going to be demanding. That little surprise is coming soon too.
@@wdbldr67the reason they are written off is due to insurance companies having to warrant the repairs. They are not willing to take the losses so write the car off.
Completely Overlooked...
The state of the roads and infestructure, the ubiquitous
speed bumps water drainage dips potholes missing manhole covers and drainage grates...
spells EV battery death and incineration /cremation /wildfires
Seems reasonable to me that the EV vehicles would have premiums based on risk and high repair costs. In my area many years ago they segregated motorcycles into their own risk class and had large increases as that group had to pay premiums based on repair and injury costs. It was no longer subsidized by the entire group of insureds - same applies here.
The teenage boy in his muscle car has to pay a lot more than a thirty year old female. Seems fair to me.
Great videos, you concern to detail and research is amazing. I totally agree, EVs are a waste of money and simply won't work.... Can you imagine trying to find a charging station in outback Australia in 40C temps. No worries mate!
might not be as bad as it seems, roll out your charging sheet, plug in and wait a few days.
Run out of fuel, and you need help.
did you know that all the large Aboriginal communities in remote NT, are alls buying evs now. All the larger communities have large solar pv arrays now, to reduce the need and expense of running diesel generators. The evs are charged with the surplus solar. When vehicle to grid ev function becomes available, these evs will also be large batteries to store the surplus solar.
And due to the typical large distances travelled, the savings from not having to buy petrol is enormous.
This is a fact mate, look it up.
@@stephenarbon2227 Sometimes a few hours in the sun is enough to finish you off out there. Temperatures can be much more than 40 degrees. Done it many times, without aircon you drink about 2 litres every 30 - 40 minutes - how water would you need to sit there for 2 days - also pretty uncomfortable.
Might be ok if you stick the highways @@nordic5490
Not a problem in the US!!
The worst thing is the insurance on my 2007 Yaris went up 9% this year. I have never been in an accident or made a claim. I am helping subsidize insurance for people with brand new Teslas
Agree with all your point. In addition i was reading "Autocar" Oct.2023 today with a review of new Audi A4. So this ev version is over 500BHP,about 30 to 50% more expensive than ICE version ,about 30% heavier and twice as fast regarding accelleration.Given all the other probs you have outlined and the fact that following an accident,it would be more likely to be written off,it`s no wonder the insurance is very expensive.EV`s are Not the way forward, when are govts going to realise this?
The governments are in it for the money; when are people going to realize it?
Soon , I don’t understand why people are so against EVS , anyone with a brain knows they are not the future
I had a friend who was given a ride in his mates helicopter, during the flight, all the lights came on, as the lithium battery was overheating at 10k feet! Emergency landing and fast legs saved them as it went up in flames.
Yep. I can also see house insurance premiums be related to if you have EV(s) parked in them, and parking buildings, car ferries, tunnels, busy large bridges, and anywhere else an EV fire could result in significant cost and risk to life bringing restrictions to EVs. I'll stick to my ICE thanks.
Any plans for disposal of the batteries in the future?
Outstanding information!
It was the battery in the early 20 century with electric vehicles, and it’s still the same problem today a hundred + years later, or be it different technologies.
Just came across your channel, thank you for your common sense approach.
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It wasn't exactly batteries but it was related.
The main reason ICE cars expanded was convenience, the ability to transport and access the energy needed to run them, in the early part of the 20th Century electricity was still not that common outside of major cities, accessing electricity was problematic, the energy required to run ICE cars could be easily transported to where it was needed and accessed easily. Unlike today range anxiety wasn't an issue many early battery cars had ranges equal to or better than ICE equivalents at the time.
Today electricity is everywhere and is no longer the barrier it was for adoption for some EV users, with charging now approaching a reasonable threshold of convenience the main issue to be solved is still easy access to the electricity needed to recharge the EV for not just some but ALL users, it will come but is not yet here today.
I wonder what the Mad Max movies would be like with Ev's. Mel Gibson hunting through Australia for charging stations not controlled by marauders😅
Catch up - we have the LFP or blade batteries now "In the nail penetration test, the battery industry's stringent safety test, the Blade Battery emitted no smoke or fire after being penetrated, and its surface temperature reached only 30 to 60 °C (86 to 140 °F). It is currently the only power battery in the world that can safely pass the test. In addition, it successfully passed an extreme safety test that saw it being rolled over by a 46-tonne heavy-duty truck. The Blade Battery also passed other extreme test conditions, such as being crushed, bent, being heated in a furnace to 300 °C (572 °F) and overcharged by 260%. None of these resulted in a fire or explosion".
A huge problem was allowing this type of battery into electric cars. Lithium is a very dangerous element
My brother just reinsured his house and found a clause that denied cover if an EV was parked on the property. Since he does not have or has any intention of owning an EV its not a deal breaker!
Unless you can show a link to the insurance product that has the clause, I suspect you're making this up.
@@KidHorn7001lol, another one with buyers remorse 🤔🤔
I have heard the same several times about home building insurance and EV's
Glad I didn't get an EV or experimental mRNA gene therapy injection, best to wait for the gullable people to beta test, no covid or died suddenly and no lithium bomb destroying my house.
Until a friend visits in their EV and parks on the drive!!.
@@KidHorn7001
Do your own research, if one has done it Im sure others have!
@@KidHorn7001another EV fanboy living in denial..
You are spot on about the batteries. There is another elephant in the room. There is not enough copper and steel to build the power lines and substations required to power the chargers required, to say nothing about the generating plants that would need to be built. I would like to hear a blog about this subject.
A lot of power transmission cables use aluminium, not copper. E.g. in my street the buried 3-phase cable is aluminium, with short single phase ones to each house being copper cables tapped into it underground. The 2 core service ones are flexible enough to install into the buildings. The only long stretches of copper cable I’m aware of are the overhead line contact wires on electrified railways, copper being physically suitable for the task.
It’s true that the distribution cable in my street wouldn’t cope with every house having EV chargers on simultaneously, though. Distribution is more of an issue than central generation to cope with a large increase in those things.
@@johnkeepin7527 Distribution is the problem. The substation transformers are huge and must be wound with copper unless you can tolerate high losses which sort of negate the whole cleaner greener thing. Then securing new and modified easements for the enlarged distribution grid: that will be like securing new permits and licenses to build a nuclear reactor.
I was first on scene for a truck fire on the Bruce Highway. Cab of truck went from low burn to high burn, diesel tank ruptured and fuel burnt off in about 5 minutes (no explosion - Apart from tires). Trailer caught fire and burnt out (mostly empty). Fire fighters did assist with containment but the truck was fully consumed in 1.2 hours - Nothing left to burn. 1.5 hours after initial crash the Police were able to partially open the road, and some traffic movement got started. If this was an EV that highway would have been blocked for a day and burnt 3 time hotter and probably damage that side of the roads black top.
Did he hit a kangaroo ?
A wombat
Luckiky EV car fires are far less frequent then combustion ones, but only the EV fires get media attention
I'd be concerned with home charging and if garage was connected to the home. It's clear an EV fire cannot be extinguished and it gives off toxic gases, if they contaminate your home what are the ramifications. Do you have to pay a home premium addition?
5:24 "changes forecast to add 20 Pounds a year onto all car insurance premiums. "
Please note that they want petrol and diesel car owners to shoulder the burden of these risky electric cars. This is insanity.
Wait till you see what is added to your premium when the payouts are added up for the 1200 cars destroyed at Luton Airport.
In New Zealand, we also shouldered the burden when the government paid people incentives to buy EVs, too.
Insurance is socialism .
Already happened.
Last year my insurance was £320
This year just paid £390.
Nothing changed, no accidents. Just everything 1 year older.
@@sahhull UK inflation will be a factor actuaries always integrate into their models. If you want to know the real rate of inflation your will usually find it in your insurance premium renewal! I have very rarely renewed and usually find a better quote for exactly the same cover elsewhere.
I often wonder how roadside assistance deals with electric vehicle issues for example if my petrol vehicle runs out of fuel RACQ will supply up to 10 litres of fuel to get me to the nearest service station, I'm assuming that there isn't an option for a Jerry can holding 10 litres of electricity🤔 does that mean a tow truck would need to be arranged and if this is the case do we ALL have our roadside assistance premiums affected?
Enjoying the EV discussions, I am hoping to get in to a Porsche 928 next year, that is a 80’s classic V8, but all the research and dreaming of getting an older car like this could be gone for the next generation if these EV’s are still produced.
I would actually go for a 944 Turbo, if you can find one. Those things had smaller engines, but far better balance, power to weight, and build quality. And they have a better looking rear end to boot.
Hurrah, les carcinogens pumped out of exhaust pipes.
Excellent video, thoughtful and perceptive about where the EV truly stands as far as I'm concerned. I'm all for EV's, but battery technology, at present just can't give milage range sufficient to replace ICE vehicles. I know NASA and the U.S. military are working on new battery technology, if anyone can solve that problem, it's them. They'll spend a Gazillion $$$$ on problem, then trickle down to the rest of us. Again, excellent video!!!
Let's say they can diagnose it and there is a problem they still have to replace or repair - if it can be repaired at a catastrophic cost. I don't want these Soylent Green EV's insurance issues being spread to my premiums.
Already happening , you will be paying for it either way
Stop this nonsense. I used to write insurance calculations. Everything is based off expected costs for your situation. Nothing else.
@@KidHorn7001 yes and I used to believe government, when I was 10
Another thing to consider: the cost to repair a Tesla after it receives a minor fender bender. Neighbor paid $12k to fix it!
The white elephant in the room.
I didn't have favourable feelings in them from day one.
My friends bought one in good faith, and it has been a complete nightmare since they have had it with various issues and breakdowns miles away from home coupled with complications with being able to move it.
Places like Eurostar and other enclosed areas are a huge concern.
Forgive me if I am wrong, but I have heard that the fumes from the burning batteries on EV's can be life threateningly toxic?
yes. they damage your lungs. imagine you having to breath thru a speciasl machineforever or get a lung transplabnt with anti rejction drugs forever.
Toxic fumes? A small price to pay for saving the planet.
@floxy20 😅🤣😅 if you didn't laugh, you would cry at the truly spectacular tomfoolery and stupidity that has become 21st-century science.
How long do you think it would be before house Insurance will have a higher premium if you have an EV in the Garage
I know four people who were in minor fender benders with cosmetic damage but due to sensor issue and condition of the battery they were scrapped. All these cars were less than one year old. One car was one month old, and it was written off and the person could not get reinsured on a replacement EV from the company. This is over $CDN250,000 in vehicles scrapped. Replacing a car's battery is typically about 75% of the purchase price of the car. here in Canada the quarantine radius could be raised up to 100 meters from 50 meters. I gave up driving cars when EV's first appeared. I saw the risks and the prices were out of reach for my middle-income situation. I am now in a low-income situation and will likely never drive again. We are also seeing theft risk added on premium riders being applied on top of normal high-risk insurance on specific models of EV's as well. Some ev drivers are being forced to goto facility commercial insurance at three to five times consumer rates. One friend was told she would have to go to a high-risk facility at over $CDN6,000 a month or $CDN72,000 a year! She got rid of the car altogether. She has now been red flagged and can no longer get regular insurance for 7 to 10 years. She moved closer to work and now rides and e-bike.
My good friend has been quoted £2500 to insure a Toyota EV he was going to buy! He’s 67 and in good health,hence he’s going to buy another petrol/diesel now😂😂😂
I predicted this uninsurability months ago, when all the EV’s got flooded during the hurricane in Florida.
My main worry is that the car industry will become fully committed to producing ev's, then when it all goes to custard and they become unviable, the skills to build and maintain petrol/hydrogen engines cars will have vanished.
Maybe that’s part of the plan? 😎
That's the plan.
I remember vividly the time when I started with vaping. The battery carrier uses the same battery as EVs, but of course only one or I think up to 4 depending on the model. There were some accidents that spread all across the newspapers where people carried a battery in their pockets unprotected. They had a short when the battery came in contact with a key or a coin and experienced a thermal runaway at worst in their pants. There were long discussions about banning e-cigarettes for being hazardous which then never happened.
To me now it’s unimaginable hilarious that there are no news articles about the risks of thousands of the exact same batteries encased in one car. People should be warned that even a small accident might damage a battery in that encasement and politicians should start recognising the risks. 🤯😤
Brings new meaning to "hot pants."
I said this from the very beginning of Tesla boom
Minor bump can cost 20k + to fix, where as it would be 2~3k to fix ICE after the same accident.
One issue leading to this is battery but another big one is the gigacasting. What they praise as a best thing since sliced bread for shortening and making production cheaper, in an event of crash, you have to replace one giant expensive piece instead of few smaller and cheaper ones.
It's insanity
I used rechargeable batteries just like the one they use 1000s in these EV’s ! I worked for 10 years at night with FedEx doing repairs to trucks, I had to charge them daily for my flashlights . I tried cheaper and more expensive batteries to see what lasted . It helped but still was disappointing, especially for the amount each manufacturer said they could be recycled , only to find they degraded quickly ! I can’t imagine 1000s of these batteries tied together wondering which ones might be bad over time !
When they introduced these EV’s I knew this was going to be a problem for that alone !
Now with this report with the insurance companies , No way will I purchase an EV !
There could also be a ban on parking in underground car parks due to the possibility of fire. I just hope they don't wait until a disaster occurs first.
Only had my Tesla 12mths, loved the car and the charging, but the insurance was beyond ridiculous at renewal. Over double my original quote, considering getting rid and going back to ICE cars……..kinda dammed if you do, dammed if you don’t!
My insurance last year, including a named driver & no claims in 26 years, was £248, renewal quote was nearly £800, managed to get insurance with another company at £435, this has to be down to EV's
But without knowing you'll still say it is. Maybe your a crap driver and insurance considers you a high risk. If those are monthly prices good lord slow down and drive safe.
My renewal just paid.
Last year £320
This year £390
This is for a 20 year old vauxhall combo diesel van.
I've never known insurance to reduce. It's always gone up.
Sadly from 2030 on all combustion cars including classics will be banned
from public streets in entire EU and Scandinavia :-( In Germany the
Green Peoples Party gave order to shorten fuel supply from 2025 on by
reducing all conventional fuel stations to only one state operated
central gas station per city or county. Now they even want to slow down
all the gas pumps from 20 litre per minute to 2 litre per minute...From
2027 on in the EU certain car spare parts will be banned too....as
exhaust systems, turbo chargers and even some engine and gearbox
oils...California and New York will do the same from 2027 on.... So no
investments should be done in oil burning cars any longer....They even
created a new kind of crime here, called emissions and smoke crime. "Bundesabgasbespaßungsverbot" in German. :-//
Good video..., well explained...👍. This must expand to Hybrid too wouldn't it..?. I've heard that the fire at Luton Airport was caused by a Diesel / Hybrid.., but that has not been confirmed..
My daily driver is a 2012 KIA Soul base and since I am retired my fuel usage and cost is very, very minimal. This car is a zero emission vehicle and it gets about 36 mpg on average. I considered an EV or a Hybrid at one time , but the battery problems that existed at the time kept me away from them. I am truly grateful now, it seems that the problems are getting worse, not better.
Good job here, subscribed.....
It is not only the cost of insuring an EV that will be very expensive or impossible to obtain cover for
but also your property fire insurance will increase if you own one and park it whilst charging overnight
just waiting for one of the lithium cells to ignite.
After the multi-story car park fire at Luton airport i think in future parking EV's in one may be banned
or will become very expensive due to the high risks involved.
Clearly EV's are not a viable answer until an alternative power source that is safe become available.
stumbled across your channel excellent, good job.
It is also the structure. Tesla tries to stamp entire side panels out of a single piece of steel. Legacy cars are welded together and can be cut and rewelded. The Tesla has to be almost disassembled.
The biggest environmental threat to date.
For sure. And it’s going to destroy private transportation.
There is a handy way to tell when the battery in an EV is faulty and about to go into thermal runaway. Go to the rear of the vehicle and look at the boot lid. If there's a badge bearing the script 'Tesla', then it will definitely go into thermal runaway and catch fire.
That clickbait thumbnail doesn't look right. The fire is happening at the front and rear of the car, where there is no battery. The battery is underneath the car in a Tesla. Seems like a photoshop or a car set on fire deliberately by other means.
Seems like a Photoshop 😂 Really champ? No shit 🙄
Increased insurance rates for EV’s shouldn’t be a problem.The government bureaucrats will just use your tax money to subsidize the idiots that buy them.
Don't forget the risk to shipping at sea, there have been a few shopping fires
We are cross subsidizing them because they can't charge the high premiums.
My friend had to have his car shipped from UK after a small accident for battery to be checked. His car was a Toyota hybrid
More good news. Nobody with an IQ in 2 or more digits would buy an EV
@@stevewaterboy4376 I'm sure you know better about other's people insurance costs...
Emergency responders are advised to not bother with spinal boards or neck braces. Just drag EV victims out asap and get away before it combusts. Wow!. Paralysis is EV too?
Safety of first responders need to come first!
Wow, I've been watching your videos recently. I'm glad to see I'm not the only one who see's that going electric is not the solution. Keep up the good work. Greetings from Everett, Washington USA.
Reality is like gravity.
This is one area that I hadn't thought about. Thank you for the content
I beg to differ, I have an Hyundai i30 2011 and paid about $700 for agreed value of $7.500 insurance, as I am looking for a EV I priced insurance for a new MG4 EV the quote came in at about $1,100.
Don't expect that quote in 12 months - it will be double.
Park/store an EV in a home garage or condominium?....how much $$$ will everybody's homeowners insurance rates skyrocket?.
maybe we should wait until they get solid state Ev's
And don't buy an EV until it can be charged with a cold fusion reactor.
You can buy one with LFP batteries if you're scared of fires. Although the statistics show gas cars are much more prone to fires.
Agree that the radically higher insurance rates are almost certainly a genuine signal that there are safety problems with current battery technology. While there is clearly a deeply entrenched status quo opposing EV adoption including such unlikely bedfellows as the oil industry and the American United Auto Workers, the EV lobby is blindly techno optimistic. All technologies have their downsides, or bads and disservices as Louis Mumford put it. Big picture I think that ICE technology is mature and not likely to be significantly improved, while EV technology has much more upside potential from an engineering perspective. It is becoming clear that serious issues with current battery technology are emerging. It took Ford from 1908 to 1933 to stop putting the fuel tank over the legs of the people in the front seat. Meanwhile I’ll keep driving my late 20th century Toyotas here in sunny Western Australia.
I've been driving BEVs for 15 years we are 100% electric. We have been with the same insurance company for 50 years & our car insurance with open driving is very reasonable. They are very happy insuring electric cars as they know petrol cars are 16 times more likely to catch fire than BEVs.
Is the weather nice in fantasy land!
@@551moley I don't live in fantasy land, I'm wondering if you do have you ever been in an electric car?
@wilkoone9155• What planet are you on? Wherever it is, please come back to earth.
Your asleep arent you, because your DREAMING mate.
@wilkoone9155 I've lived off grid in the UK for 4 years, recently got a PHEV, just about to more than double my solar to cope with the car, even then my diesel generator will need to pick up the slack for 6 to 8 weeks over winter, my diesel bill is less than the UK standing charge for mains electricity (£180 PA).
I'm doing it purely out of interest, nothing to do with ECO, I would happily burn tyres to make fuel!
Here in Australia evs start at 54 thousand dollars
A tesla can cost you up to 150 grand
What normal people that tupe of money just laying around when theuy have a prefectly good petrol.or diesel vehicle in the driveway ?
Yeah stop this EV nonsense.
What pixxes me off is we are ALL paying more insurance because all premiums go up , I was paying less than a £100 2 years ago and now I'm paying over £250 for my classic.
BMW are launching their hydrogen cars next year
😂
You better put no money on that bet
1980: bet there will be flying cars: 2024 Fridge on wheels
EVs are junk.
There is a video out there that showed fire fighters putting out a fire about 4 times on a Tesla. They finally thought the fire was done and loaded the destroyed car on a flat deck trailer and then it started to burn again. Yikes!!!!!
EV fires as a % are less than petrol and diesel fires and sodium batteries will be safer.
They've got to get over this problem and as you say they will with the next generation of batteries
@@jazzydave8453 Its not a problem that needs to be 'gotten over'. There have been around 320 documented EV fires globally (IIRC), and well over 10,000 ICE ones. So, if anything, we need to 'get over this ICE problem'.
No it's the other way round ICE vehicles RARELY combust! Most vehicle fires ARE EVs
@@geoffsclassiccars your incorrect (and your ignorance is appalling btw, try doing the simplest of searches before you type…).
For example:
In a recent study conducted by AutoInsuranceEZ, an American insurance company, the frequency of fires in automobiles was examined in 2021. Vehicles with internal combustion engines (your traditional petrol and diesel vehicles) had a significantly higher number of fires compared to fully electric vehicles. The study revealed that petrol and diesel vehicles experienced 1530 fires per 100,000 vehicles, while only 25 out of 100,000 fully electric vehicles caught fire. These findings clearly demonstrate that EVs are actually less likely to catch fire than their petrol counterparts.
These statistics are further supported by the Tesla 2020 Impact Report, which states that there has been one Tesla vehicle fire for every 205 million miles traveled. In comparison, data collected in the US shows that there is one fire for every 19 million miles traveled by ICE vehicles. These facts are further supported by the Australian Building Codes Board, supporting the global experience of EVs to date indicates they have a lower likelihood of being involved in a fire than internal combustion engines.
Ref: evse.com.au/blog/electric-vehicle-fires/
Any other searches show similar stats.
So no, sorry, you’re wrong.
@@geoffsclassiccars Look up the statistics at the NHTSA site, and you'll find that the truth is exactly the opposite. And LFP batteries, now finding wider use, are even safer.
I just bought a new MG 4 and paid less insurance than for a 2016 ICE car valued at less than half as much!
If vehicle fires were a major concern to insurance companies ICEVs would have been uninsurable years ago. Still, don’t let logic get in the way of your grift eh?
The logical conclusion there is that perhaps ev fire incidents are happening in greater number than is being reported...fancy that?!
Hybrids have much smaller batteries with far fewer lithium battery cells. That makes fires far less likely and may also lead to structural packaging of the ballery pack in a shape and location where it is less likely to experience mechanical damage. On top of that, if a hybrid battery catches fire, it releases less energy which makes it easier to cool off and less likely for the fire to spread to neighboring cars and structures, etc.
Oh and if you are worried about grifts, why not call out the whole man-made climate change grift?
He's talking about uneconomic repair costs after a minor accident due to inability to diagnose the condition of the battery .
look up the Luton car park fire @@kirkjohnson6638 . @kirk , hope you don`t get burnt
Go shopping for GAP insurance for a used EV today.....ask the bank or finance institution....they just smile and wish you luck.
And don't forget house insurance /body corporate insurance if they are parked within the premises, bet the boffins in insurance are clicking the abacus
Just want to add that make and or model of car do not have OBDII port to plug a diagnostic toll. It really make the troubleshooting very difficult or next to impossible.
doing a burnout in an EV means a whole different thing, I think I'll keep driving my SLK for a while yet, thanks Simon.
In oil well drilling tools accelerometers are used to measure vibrations.. If a battery pack see severe vibe it's removed from service and rebuilt ...
You don’t even mention the fact that they have a Giga Pressing as the entire main body so they’re actually not easily repairable! So they have to be Totaled because it’s cost prohibitive to repair a Giga Pressed frame.
It’s all one piece and Intercal to the structure and safety of the car. And now other companies are also going to the Giga Press model because it’s money saving. Soon all cars with accident damage, will be pretty much become unrepairable.
The Florida hurricane mad a lot of junk EVs and lots of fires
In the USA the gumment is going to subsidize the insurance to bring the cost to the buyer to a level equal to insurance of a comparable gasoline driven car.