I bought all my sim racing equipment used. Lots of people drop stacks of money just to realize they aren’t good at sim racing or just don’t enjoy it. That’s where all the deals are
@@HairyScrambler Fr. Where I live, there's loads of Valve Index and HP reverb G2s both w/ controllers for around 180-200€ and thinking that a brand new index is around 700... It's crazy to see how people waste their money on these things just to realise they don't have the commitment to use them
Dawid, just an advice, always release your hand from steering wheel when you are about to crash. DD wheels are no joke when it comes to crashes and snapping your wrist when you least expect
I'm just impressed someone at Moza watched Dawid's videos and thought, "You know what, let's do a sponsor spot with this goofball"! Although, if I had that kind of money and clout, I'd find all the goofballs that make awesome YT videos
I have a Moza R9 with SRP pedals, a Reverb G2... and I play 100% VR in AC. You're in for an epic experience!! That being said... setting up AC for VR is not plug and play. There are a few good guides on UA-cam with different settings... I have spent many hours trying different settings and trying to find a good balance between fps and sharpness/look. And I have an i7 13700K and an RTX 3090... yet it's still struggling to get close to 85-90 fps. Make sure you use CSP and Pure. I have it dialed in now to a place where it's... fucking awesome. Fighting for corners in close quarters with opponents in VR is just plain stupid epic. I love this stuff.
adding to this if I may: in the CSP (btw, you should use content manager when modding assetto at all, it makes everything a million times easier and is in general just a better UI) ffb tweaks, enable "output real steering forces to wheel" and "output real brake forces from pedal", set the force to 100% in the software and you should get the best experience possible (assuming you grab a car with both of those enabled). another thing of note is that BeamNG also has VR, you'll need to run it in Vulkan for the best experience, but it has generally been described as utterly terrifying. oh, and on CSP+Pure, there are many preset graphics and PP filter packs out there, my personal favourite is SKY, but any half decent one will make assetto look like it has graphics from the future.
@@tiagobelo4965 In VR I feel like the PureVR PPF gives me the best overall feeling/experience... I tried SKYand some others but it was less "crisp". Maybe it's just me though...
If you have lots of cars on the track, you will quickly come CPU bottlenecked in AC, and many other sim titles. I reckon you take a look at your extra python apps should you have any in use, and see what disabling them does to your performance. Some of the very simple seeming apps are incredible CPU performance hogs, to mention a few I noticed quite heavy: car radar, sidekick, crewchief. I got Index and the same CPU as you, but 4090 and I'm essentially completely CPU bottlenecked with a large grid, any of the graphics settings does absolutely nothing no matter how high or low I go.
@@ilmariylitalo8427 I don't feel like I have CPU bottleneck but I'll have to check. My FPS is pretty constant either I'm alone on the track in practice mode or racing with opponents. That being said... I rarely put more than 20 cars on the track. But yeah it makes total sense that the more cars you have, the more CPU it will need. Also I added apps after I tuned my game and didn't notice a drop. I'm currently running 87 avg fps with lows around 73-75. It feels pretty smooth. Anything lower than that and I feel like I can't corner correctly and I start missing apexes and braking points for no apparent reason... other than input lag. Of course if I lower my graphics again it gets even better, but it's a balance. I need a 4090 but prices man... I regret not buying one before the hike.
@@rolux4853Bad, bad advice my friend. With strong DD wheels, you should absolutely let go in gamed like BeamNG. Just watch Jimmy Broadvent and his challenges with a 100% DD wheel.
@@gerardsitja that was the 16nm wheelbase and even with my 8nm at 60% in ac its till easy af to hurt yourself with it so i dont doubt the 5nm at 100% can too
Yeah i stared sim racing in vr and dont understand why enyone uses monitors (out of the most competetive drivers, becose od lower vr res and thus lower precision in breaking points).
I actually went from a g2 reverb to a g9 ultrawide. VR is immersive but exhausting and uncomfortable for long stints. It’s a cool party trick to demo for friends who has never tried a sim rig before though.
@@gregolas597 I can feel that, but I recently upgraded to a Bigscreen Beyond and the experience is SO much better. Mainly the decrease in weight does a ton for comfort.
@@gregolas597 sounds like somebody at that party would say to convince themselves they shouldn't feel buyers remorse for their expensive multiscreen setup being flat as a pancake, saying flatscreen images are better than VR for immersive gaming is like saying black and white movies are the best because the shades of grey arent as distracting from the plot as the millions of vibrant colours modern movies have, which is too exhausting to watch anyway
I really REALLY appreciate you going through all the cost-levels, showing what you get for the money. Normally you'd only see the difference between a controller & the $1000000000000 version. Honestly, thank you (and thank you to the companies who reached out for sending a variety of levels)
Ha ha he hasn't even gone through the entire rabbit hole of cost levels. There is a pedal set that costs $2500 US per pedal. A wheelbase over $3000, and steering wheels that are well north of $1000... 😂
I'm watching this while sitting in my Trak Racer 120, it's now my living room "chair" with my 55" oled. It's actually super comfortable compared to the many lower quality choices I've purchased. I grabbed a full Simagic setup because they are more drift and rally focused and it's been an absolute blast using it in all kinds of games from Gran Turismo 7 to WRC. The investment is pretty steep but far less than a car and you can wreck as much as you want. I think this hobby is just going to grow this decade .
That's the conclusion I came to as well. A high end setup isn't really for gamers that like racing games(unless you have $$$), but more for those without the budget or means for track days. The costs are miles apart.
honestly, 3k for everything isnt that bad (well it is, but knowing how expensive these things can be i was expecting closer to 10k). would love to be able to justify the purchase one day. i just simply dont have the room for it right now. already have a logitech wheel and the biggest issue is the constant set up and pack up each time you use it, a dedicated rig is needed.
@@vailpcs4040 You dont actually, if you have a decent built in the last 4 years. You can play every sim game. Also Asseto Corsa is a few dollars on sale ACC is a little more pricey because it has so many DLC adding new cars and tracks but its not more than your average AAA game Dirt Rally is a normal games cost, but since its years old at this point its cheaper If you want to get into iRacing, thats when it starts costing a fortune
@@imo098765 My current pc is a low budget affair with an RX580 and it runs just about every sim on high settings at 70 to 90 fps. iRacing is the one sim i haven't bothered with yet. I want to get fairly decent before concentrating on the online multi player which is the only reason i'd consider subscribing to iRacing. It's not the best game but it has the largest userbase for multiplayer racing.
Great video; although you just touched the main point here: the games If you play only few games, and those are well simulated, then a rig makes sense... But if you play a lot of games with poor physics implementation (or the wheel has no support for that game), it will suck big time and you ended up spending 3K for something that feels like the cheap 99 dollars wheel.
Yes but luckily all the best sim racing games are relatively cheap and can be found for incredibly cheap on steam with their deals that happen pretty often.
this is one very niche area of pc gaming where you have to dump in quite a bit of money for it to be as immersive as it needs to be. but once you get or at least try out a full on setup, its an experience thats quite amazing. a direct drive set up with a samsung ark monitor absolutely slaps as these young whipper snappers say
Dawid another great piece of content. I have been following for a longtime now and you set your self apart by actually giving your point of view with actual emotion and those two things along with your great “tactfull” descriptions really make for some great stuff my friend. Thank you.
Have to give a hats off to Both Moza and Trakracer. They gave their stuff to someone who will give a completely unbiased and honest opinion on the product AND the price. Also people that had never heard of them now got to see what they offer and how good it is, Now all those two have to do is get together and get the steering wheel mounts correct. Full marks to both companies. You have officially been Dawided!!!
So you are saying someone trying something for the first time, their opinion about it is less valid. So unless your are an expert in X your opinion is Irrelevant?@@TheOfficialOriginalChad
Not at all, but now looking at it with your reply I think you were referring to this been his first attempt at racing game setups. Not that his opinion was invalid. Thank you for clarifying your position.@@TheOfficialOriginalChad
Moza is recently throwing their stuff at people who have absolutely no clue about sim racing (and who think a G29 is a big investment) as long as they have enough followers. Which is enough reason for me to never ever buy a Moza product (besides Simucube 2 Pro is still the goldstandard, so why buy anything else if you’re serious about sim racing?) again. I hate such blatant marketing initiatives that aren’t focused on their target demographic.
I've bought a NLR Wheelstand 2.0 and added a self made wooden platform (painted in black of course :D) and a used BMW sport seat. Paid about 600€ for everything and I love the variability and the comfort the real car seat has to offer (can even adjust height, lumbar support, seat angle and upper leg support). Would highly recommend something like this to anyone!
This video is the best I've seen from Dawid, yes, I like simracing, but just watching him discover new things is unique between all the pre built reviews
Nice to see the smile you had barreling around in the setup. As others have mentioned get your hands off the darn wheel if you're going to crash! When it comes to cost (and some of it is insane so I built my rig out of 2x4's and MDF which weighs a ton 🤣) keep in mind that sim racing is a serious hobby for a lot of racers as golf is to some people. For the next 'upgrades' I would recommend testing would be triple monitors and/or VR (Everyone has their own preference. I like triples myself.) to increase your peripheral visibility, and then for more immersion add a 'Buttkicker' (Yes. That's what it is called.) setup which will add vibration to your rig and seat which is a lot of fun if the title you play supports it. Overall sim racing is a fun little hobby for those of us that will never get the chance to drive a proper race car whether it be cost or physical size. The '79 Lotus F1 is my favorite to drive so I had a smile. Great video Dawid!
I am so glad Moza and Trak Racer reached out to you, as this was an absolutely amazing video. That being said, I couldn't imagine having the patience to set up the stand.
Those who got into sim racing in the past couple years have no idea how good they have it. There are so many choices now, and that competition has brough prices way down. I started 6 or 7 years ago and the DD choices were the Accuforce V2 @ around $1000 for a 10 Nm base, or an OSW base with 20+ Nm for $1500+. Pedals were the same way. You could get Fanatec V3's for $350-450 (for inverted), or go high end and spend $1000+. There was nothing in between because sim racing was such a small niche. I have around $5k into my setup and for me it's money well spent. At 8+ hours a week for the last 5 or 6 years, I think I've more than gotten my money's worth in entertainment out of it. It never gets old to me, especially with VR.
one of the things i felt like was possibly lacking was some kind of mechanism that can jiggle your seat as you go over bumps. so i went on to TrakRacer's website and it turns out! not only do they have that product, it's like, a product CATEGORY. they're called actuators, and they seem pretty awesome. the website itself has an enormous selection. and don't worry if you're Canadian. you can just click the little flag in the top right corner, and switch over to the American version. which has a much wider selection of products. i was also impressed to see not only 3rd break pedals, but also manual gear shifters!! they even carry those awful "sequential" manual shifters, if you're a masochist or something.
I have a Fanatec CSL Elite on a Next Level Racing cockpit running a PS5 with PSVR2 for GT7. It’s amazing in VR feels like you’re there in the cars. Would love to try DD on this setup!
@@DoWorkNP I want to get into sim racing, but thing I'd want adjustability to be able to share with a mate or let other guests try. In team races it's also nice to be in the same room, it seems.
13:42 is the exact benefit of having a more powerful wheelbase - headroom in the torque output to have the ability to get the details of the small nuanced feedback. :)
I have a trak racer rig and Moza products as well. I also happened to have a VR headset and I let my friends use it, and some of them were explaining how they were getting a "phantom feel" for being inside a real car.
lol the answers to that is "depends on what you do with it" everyone forgets those parts, hence why he tests them out to say "is this gonna be worth it for YOU"
I gym 6 days a week for the past 7 years, if health is important to you it definitely is but most gym’s definitely make their money on new year’s resolution lock in contracts
@@TubaraoCK6 not to be that guy, but I think that was a joke about how high-end sim gear is so brutal and racecar-y that it is a genuine workout, seriously, go check out some 100% FFB challenges from people using DD wheel bases, it almost seems like they're doing a powerlifting competition during an earthquake
middle of the range is worth it. Most people dont need more than 8-9nm DD wheels but if you play 7 hrs every week, thats $4 per hour for a $1500 setup If you buy a AAA game at $70 and its less than 14hrs, thats worse value for your time
I mean DD have gone quite cheap now a days. It used to be a definite $1000+ just to get the wheel. But now you can get whole starting bundle for $400ish. With wheels and pedals. It’s basically is the same price as Logitech g923 gear drive
some funny details about ffb in beamng: due to it being based on the soft body physics of the game its violently shakey, and requires a lot of friction, smoothing, and inertia the most important thing to many, is that despite having a VERY good power steering simulation, no car presets have it equipped, so dawid was basically driving a ford F150 with the power steering disconnected, for those who may not know, that's a full blown workout, and the only reason dawid didn't come out of this video absolutely jacked is because of the lowered ffb. edit: btw, moza and some other manufacturers make wheel bases above 16Nm, moza has a 21Nm base and I've seen monstrosities beyond 30Nm, with any wheel base of this kind (hell, above 8Nm its probably a good idea) you should REALLY have an emergency shutoff switch (usually the big red button you see on the side of some people's simrigs), these things aren't just strong, they are absurdly fast, they can and they will absolutely destroy your hands if something goes wrong.
I’m shocked an actual review, I never liked racing games because of how crappy the control is with an Xbox controller but this has made me re-evaluate that.
Yeah, I definitely want to see you VR race this thing. So total cost of this experience is probably around 6-7K when you factor in the PC and the big-ass monitor (or 3). This sounds like a huge amount of money but not when you consider the alternative of actual weekend track racing. I used to amateur track race when I was young around 20 years ago and just playing around with motorcycles financially broke me let along with the actual bones. I won't describe this as a cheap activity but in the metric of hobbies, it's relatively cheap. Another thought is can you, with the addition of a flight yoke go flying with this thing?
And for example, about lock ups. Usually finding the limit IRL is easier than in any game. Quality gear is just a good tools to get closer to this edge.
I'm working towards SIM racing collecting the hardware. I have a 32 in LG gaming monitor bought new and have a used Ryzen 7 5700G pc coming. Will probably get a Logitech 920 or 923 all with Asetto Corse. Being quite old software I'm hoping it will run well enough. I do not like large PC cases and always go for the NUC type format. Trying not to invest too much at this stage. Fourty years ago I was an amateur race driver all over NW Europe based in UK and I'm wondering how I'll do with SIM racing. Your video here is very enthusing for me at nearly 71yo. 🤓
You're going to love VR sim racing, the spacial awareness it adds makes racing a lot a easier. I'm at the point now where no VR = no buy. Although, you do need a Saudi oil baron's PC to make it look pretty.
From the first minutes of the video one thing should be noted and corrected. Why sitting, feel, FOV and quality of force feedback is important is that because when things as close 1:1 as possible to common reality of racing or driving we can start applying whole world of knowledge for that from real world. And if someone would like to use racing games to study racing tracks before trackday or something - can' emphasize enough the need for correct seating, fov and hardware for the task. So it is not only about "feel" but about procedures. And the thing called "chair driving" or "mental driving" was created way before any racing games existed. And used just like one can use simulator/racing game.
VR is definitely a next level for racing, I personally use Quest 3 but for better performance you may look into some dedicated SteamVR positions like Valve Index - anything openVR will do, meta requires launch app to start Steam VR which causes your PC to bottom out on the heavy load (unless you are 4090'er) Thanks for sharing this experience, looking forward for the next one!
With direct drive wheelbases, particularly the higher torque ones/more powerful ones, it is very important to take your hands off the wheel if you crash. You can literally break fingers and wrists. Don't try and hold on or calm the wheel movement down after a crash. Wrestling with the wheel when *almost* crashing is something else entirely though. Hold on for that :)
Learned a lot from you while building my PC then got into sim racing. I think this is a natural evolution. Can't wait to see your reaction when you try VR sim racing.
With you holding onto the wheel during crashes, I'm glad you didn't decided to go for the Simucube Ultimate motor, which can reach 32 Nm of torque. That motor can actually break your wrist or arm if depending on how it twists with all that force.
14:20 but that's the thing, the real life car doesn't have heavy steering, people say it actually feels quite light. People pay so much to make everything massively unrealistic.
Hey Dawid - I have the Moza R9 and found that in BeamNG drive you have to invert the FFB in the in-game settings for it to not shake your desk apart and provide proper feedback.
Iv'e been sim racing since 2014. I went from P Cars with the T150, then too Assetto Corsa and the T300, finally to iRacing and a Fanatec. Let me tell you, a wheel with FFB is a must. You may laugh, but the amount of people that buy a cheap wheel, with no FFB just to get what they think is the start of a sim racing experience, the FFB is a HUGE part of that experience. Also, the wheel doesn't make the driver, the driver makes the wheel. If you are crap at sim racing, spending over a grand on a Fanatec won't make you Lewis Hamilton, you'll just crash and probably break your wrists, because yes, the feed back from direct drive and Fanatec wheels is POWERFUL. Also, tweak your wheel settings for you, as there are settings that adjust the feel of the road, tyre, slip, grip, the actual feedback. You don't need an expensive wheel to have a good experience. If you are new, an entry level wheel from Thrustmaster or LT will be great, way more immersive than a controller. The internet makes you think you need an expensive wheel, the playseat, expensive pedals etc. If you do that, you'll be spending over £700. The T300 is around £280 The playseats are around £300 to £350 The T3PA Pedals are around £150 Add delivery and insurance, you are well over the £700, and believe me, there are way more expensive wheels and pedals. All you need...... Just a gaming seat, chair, a sturdy desk is all you need too start, and buy something like the Thrustmaster T128, it is an entry level with pedals and will do fine. If you find you enjoy it and get better..... THEN upgrade.
As someone who has upgraded their rig multiple times and made a lot of purchasing mistakes, do your research! I made the mistake of cheaping out on a wheelbase with no FFB, only to buy a G29 a few weeks later, and then upgrading to a CSL Elite a few months after that, and then a CSL DD a few years later. If you have the money, go with a Direct Drive wheelbase as DD is the future. Belt and gear driven wheels are good for folks who don't have the budget, but don't waste money on a rig that you will upgrade from in a few weeks. Save up and buy a DD wheelbase right away if you can afford it. There is no comparison to gear or belt driven wheels.
Dawid, the ffb im Dirt Rally feels muted because of the cars. They are rally cars with suspensions built to handle bumps, hence the ffb feels more muted.
Ive found that the ffb strength is something you get used to. Initially coming from ~2.5nm entry level wheels i had my first direct drive turned way down because it felt so strong. Over time i kept upping the power and at some point i hit the limit and began looking at even stronger wheels.
I played console racing games with a controller many years ago but always wanted a better setup. I finally bought a Moza R12 an a real rig and it's probably the most fun I've ever had playing video games. iRacing is the most addictive game/sim I've ever played. It's amazing. Yes it's costly but this is a real hobby for me and it's literally the thing I do the most lol
You need to get yourself on automobilista 2. Big update recently. It's such a great game now. As always, love the videos. Gear looks awesome. And keep it up.
AMS 2 is great, just wish they had more F1 tracks. They have most, but still missing good ones. The physics in that game is top notch, from having to consider temp of tires and brakes, to weather changes and driving outside the racing line. 8/10 for me.
I'd like a DD wheel, but as kind or a newbie to sims I preferred not dropping so much. A G29 and a Quest 2 is perfectly fine for an average lad like me, I never liked racing games so much, and it also made me a much better player than before because I can grasp much more of what's happening.
Look at getting content manager for Assetto Corsa, CSP (custom shaders patch) and Sol. Put all that together and it’ll change your experience to something incredible. I simply race mainly in iRacing with a Reverb G2 and you’re right, it’s next level using a full rig in VR
Ya with a big enough monitor or vr glasses i think id be yelling like when I'm on a rollercoaster. Looks very immersive. Would love to have gear shifter and clutch tho. Dawid had clutch but looks like he didn't use
Vr is really great, triples are king. Do both! More content! Enjoyed the review and watching you go through it. Have a rig that was a multi year multi stage project, but it’s a hugely rewarding thing. Took me a weekend and change to get the frame done too. Hopefully you get to keep it!
VR really is the next logical step with such a neat setup. VR makes driving so much more fun, even with a controller, because of how intuitive you can look along each curve while taking it, which isn't possible on a TV, imo.
To imagine you can get a high-tier beast of a gaming PC with $2500, you really need to be into sim racing to be willing spend another $2500 for this setup. Plus an extra $1000-1500 for a fitting OLED gaming monitor. Pimp my ride, indeed. Either way, awesome video, as always. Thanks for the good entertainment! 👌😊
After seeing a channel here on UA-cam named Project Sim Racing - even this setup is NOTHING. I highly recommend anyone who is into sim racing, or who wants to see an absolutely insane sim setup with a triple screen thingy with one of the most high end most expensive sim setups around while the guy plays WRC, Assetto Corsa, American and European Truck Simulator (he does long, long videos with lofi beats to these, for calmer real-life point to point stuff, it's great lol) and several other sim or sim-lite games. It'll blow your mind seeing some of these games played like this. The WRC videos alone look like a real-life WRC race broadcast, minus all the game-y stuff of course. Highly recommended again if you want to see real, real expensive sim racing or want to get into sim racing and see what it can look like.
I had smile on my face the whole video 😂 Happy to see you express your joy and pure happiness on this video You truly made me think I'm the one who is driving and giving it all . Thank you David you made my day i hadn't laugh or smile for the past month or so . Wish you all the best from Algeria ♥️
I have a basic racing sim just with a thrust master T150 and a chair and stand. I was disappointed in how it felt relative to actually driving. Last year I was at the Henry Ford Museum in Detroit and I found they have a sim racing part. For like $20 all 3 of us went on for like 15 minutes it’s was insane, they are fully moving like 10k setups I had so much fun on my first lap I was a second over the target time it was extremely intense and fun. If I go back I’m gonna crush that target time.
For game drivers, your peak cost/performance recommendation is only a couple high end smartphones in price. I don’t enjoy driving that much, but it seems a good setup for those who do. And yes using a vr headset would greatly increase the immersion.
You mentioned vr towards the end. I use a vive pro2 headset and I just want to confirm that it raises everything to a level that is indescribable. I'm really looking forward to seeing your reaction. Unfortunately, that headset isn't cheap either, but I had others and kept upgrading before committing to that purchase. Its equally amazing with Microsoft flight sim. Just sayin'.
I got the R21, instead of a home gym. VR is great for exercise too (damn kids and that Beat Saber!) Got the wheel base a couple weeks ago, still waiting for CSR pedals. Rugged stuff!!! Don't drop on yer foot and end a sim racing career! I got the emergency switch too, seemed like a good idea. Moza also makes some badass gymbals for slrs, and cellphones. Their Pro model, well, ya just better be at that price! I wonder if that has anything to do with their electric motor building talent... Peddles should be here tomorrow... Thanks for being surprised at the performance, makes waiting the harder part.
This was a great watch. A few things to note: 1. Assembling a good sim racing frame and wheel will typically last through several generations. I used the same frame from the PS3 era until just last year, for example. 2. Direct drive is great, but comparing the Logitech G29 (which is essentially the exact same "budget" wheel they've been making for over 10 years) is a bit much. The G29 is just woefully bad by modern standards. It should legit cost like $70 as it's in that league of fisher price wheel controllers. Logitech DOES make a great DD wheel that costs about 1k all in. I ended up with that, and even though it goes to 8nm I run it around 50-60%. The good thing about Logitech's "Pro" is it has pretty good game and console support, and you can flip to to G29 "mode" for any older games that lack bespoke or configurable support. Also it has a LCD that lets you configure a lot of the settings without needing to go into the software. Sim racing is great fun. I don't play it as much these days, but I did pour like 400 hours into Forza Horizons on my frame, which made for a really unique experience. As it's essentially an open world racing RPG with pretty okay driving dynamics, made incredibly fun with a proper wheel and frame. Just putting on some tunes and cruising around the world was some of the best gaming I've done in years. I should pick up the sequel and see if the game still has it's charm.
I recommend playing a lot of flat screen before jumping into VR sim. Once you do try VR, PLEEEEEAAASSSE have the camera rolling when you start. Depth perception with VR for the first time is absolutely mind blowing and I want to see your reaction. It will be great. I’ve been using the R9 for a year and it is a great midrange. I can’t see going any higher tier unless you are trying to bulk up 😂😂💪🏼
Dawid, I noticed in the BeamNG section, you had the FFB Axis not Inverted, which it needs to be to give proper FFB Data. It's counter-intuitive but it is much more enjoyable with that setting turned on.
I bought all my sim racing equipment used. Lots of people drop stacks of money just to realize they aren’t good at sim racing or just don’t enjoy it. That’s where all the deals are
True it’s a waste buying it new
Same with VR
Good tip, thanks
lol me, only i bought a cheap set up used then realized I suck and don't have time to play enough to get good
@@HairyScrambler Fr. Where I live, there's loads of Valve Index and HP reverb G2s both w/ controllers for around 180-200€ and thinking that a brand new index is around 700... It's crazy to see how people waste their money on these things just to realise they don't have the commitment to use them
Dawid, just an advice, always release your hand from steering wheel when you are about to crash. DD wheels are no joke when it comes to crashes and snapping your wrist when you least expect
Learned that the hard way....
I was thinking about that when I saw his thumbs being locked in.
I was terrified and scared that he will brake his thumbs.
This comment made my wrists hurt so much
Definitely! I jammed the F outta my thumb the first week I had my DD base!
*Tonight on Top Gear:*
Anna wears a hat;
Trak Racer wears a hat;
Dawid causes multiple high-speed car crashes
Dawid needs to redo the intro using this!😂
Some say Dawid was imitating Richard Hammond 🤔
"tonight on botom gear mates"
Powerrrrrrrrr!
Sounds like Bottom Gear episode
I'm just impressed someone at Moza watched Dawid's videos and thought, "You know what, let's do a sponsor spot with this goofball"! Although, if I had that kind of money and clout, I'd find all the goofballs that make awesome YT videos
I have a Moza R9 with SRP pedals, a Reverb G2... and I play 100% VR in AC. You're in for an epic experience!! That being said... setting up AC for VR is not plug and play. There are a few good guides on UA-cam with different settings... I have spent many hours trying different settings and trying to find a good balance between fps and sharpness/look. And I have an i7 13700K and an RTX 3090... yet it's still struggling to get close to 85-90 fps. Make sure you use CSP and Pure. I have it dialed in now to a place where it's... fucking awesome. Fighting for corners in close quarters with opponents in VR is just plain stupid epic. I love this stuff.
adding to this if I may: in the CSP (btw, you should use content manager when modding assetto at all, it makes everything a million times easier and is in general just a better UI) ffb tweaks, enable "output real steering forces to wheel" and "output real brake forces from pedal", set the force to 100% in the software and you should get the best experience possible (assuming you grab a car with both of those enabled). another thing of note is that BeamNG also has VR, you'll need to run it in Vulkan for the best experience, but it has generally been described as utterly terrifying.
oh, and on CSP+Pure, there are many preset graphics and PP filter packs out there, my personal favourite is SKY, but any half decent one will make assetto look like it has graphics from the future.
@@tiagobelo4965 In VR I feel like the PureVR PPF gives me the best overall feeling/experience... I tried SKYand some others but it was less "crisp". Maybe it's just me though...
If you have lots of cars on the track, you will quickly come CPU bottlenecked in AC, and many other sim titles. I reckon you take a look at your extra python apps should you have any in use, and see what disabling them does to your performance. Some of the very simple seeming apps are incredible CPU performance hogs, to mention a few I noticed quite heavy: car radar, sidekick, crewchief. I got Index and the same CPU as you, but 4090 and I'm essentially completely CPU bottlenecked with a large grid, any of the graphics settings does absolutely nothing no matter how high or low I go.
@@ilmariylitalo8427 I don't feel like I have CPU bottleneck but I'll have to check. My FPS is pretty constant either I'm alone on the track in practice mode or racing with opponents. That being said... I rarely put more than 20 cars on the track. But yeah it makes total sense that the more cars you have, the more CPU it will need. Also I added apps after I tuned my game and didn't notice a drop. I'm currently running 87 avg fps with lows around 73-75. It feels pretty smooth. Anything lower than that and I feel like I can't corner correctly and I start missing apexes and braking points for no apparent reason... other than input lag. Of course if I lower my graphics again it gets even better, but it's a balance. I need a 4090 but prices man... I regret not buying one before the hike.
I try with my meta quest 2 and get immediate motion sickness. Blah
I was genuinely worried for you @14:55 don't hold onto the wheel when entering a crash
Exactly you just should let go! Let go your wheel!
No you shouldn’t, but if you’ve ever driven in Assetto Corsa you know that it cuts off the FFB in direct highspeed impacts like this.
@@rolux4853Bad, bad advice my friend. With strong DD wheels, you should absolutely let go in gamed like BeamNG. Just watch Jimmy Broadvent and his challenges with a 100% DD wheel.
C'mon guys, it's just 5Nm for God sake!!
@@gerardsitja that was the 16nm wheelbase and even with my 8nm at 60% in ac its till easy af to hurt yourself with it so i dont doubt the 5nm at 100% can too
VR really adds it for me. I have trouble with Sims without it. Looking forward to seeing your vid
Yeah i stared sim racing in vr and dont understand why enyone uses monitors (out of the most competetive drivers, becose od lower vr res and thus lower precision in breaking points).
I actually went from a g2 reverb to a g9 ultrawide. VR is immersive but exhausting and uncomfortable for long stints. It’s a cool party trick to demo for friends who has never tried a sim rig before though.
As someone who has vr'ed for 4+ hour stints in things like Elite Dangerous I don't find it tiring or annoying in the slightest.
@@gregolas597 I can feel that, but I recently upgraded to a Bigscreen Beyond and the experience is SO much better. Mainly the decrease in weight does a ton for comfort.
@@gregolas597 sounds like somebody at that party would say to convince themselves they shouldn't feel buyers remorse for their expensive multiscreen setup being flat as a pancake, saying flatscreen images are better than VR for immersive gaming is like saying black and white movies are the best because the shades of grey arent as distracting from the plot as the millions of vibrant colours modern movies have, which is too exhausting to watch anyway
I really REALLY appreciate you going through all the cost-levels, showing what you get for the money. Normally you'd only see the difference between a controller & the $1000000000000 version. Honestly, thank you (and thank you to the companies who reached out for sending a variety of levels)
Ha ha he hasn't even gone through the entire rabbit hole of cost levels. There is a pedal set that costs $2500 US per pedal. A wheelbase over $3000, and steering wheels that are well north of $1000... 😂
That's not true.
I'm watching this while sitting in my Trak Racer 120, it's now my living room "chair" with my 55" oled. It's actually super comfortable compared to the many lower quality choices I've purchased. I grabbed a full Simagic setup because they are more drift and rally focused and it's been an absolute blast using it in all kinds of games from Gran Turismo 7 to WRC. The investment is pretty steep but far less than a car and you can wreck as much as you want. I think this hobby is just going to grow this decade .
That's the conclusion I came to as well. A high end setup isn't really for gamers that like racing games(unless you have $$$), but more for those without the budget or means for track days. The costs are miles apart.
honestly, 3k for everything isnt that bad (well it is, but knowing how expensive these things can be i was expecting closer to 10k).
would love to be able to justify the purchase one day. i just simply dont have the room for it right now. already have a logitech wheel and the biggest issue is the constant set up and pack up each time you use it, a dedicated rig is needed.
Just buy a whole car for 3k LOL
Don't forget that you're also going to need to double that cost for the PC and monitor and software to run it all.
This is so much cheaper than racing IRL
Especially the R5 model, 100% worth it to someone that loves driving/racing
@@vailpcs4040 You dont actually, if you have a decent built in the last 4 years. You can play every sim game.
Also Asseto Corsa is a few dollars on sale
ACC is a little more pricey because it has so many DLC adding new cars and tracks but its not more than your average AAA game
Dirt Rally is a normal games cost, but since its years old at this point its cheaper
If you want to get into iRacing, thats when it starts costing a fortune
@@imo098765 My current pc is a low budget affair with an RX580 and it runs just about every sim on high settings at 70 to 90 fps. iRacing is the one sim i haven't bothered with yet. I want to get fairly decent before concentrating on the online multi player which is the only reason i'd consider subscribing to iRacing. It's not the best game but it has the largest userbase for multiplayer racing.
Great video; although you just touched the main point here: the games
If you play only few games, and those are well simulated, then a rig makes sense... But if you play a lot of games with poor physics implementation (or the wheel has no support for that game), it will suck big time and you ended up spending 3K for something that feels like the cheap 99 dollars wheel.
Yes but luckily all the best sim racing games are relatively cheap and can be found for incredibly cheap on steam with their deals that happen pretty often.
Once you get a proper seating position and fov it's insane. Took my passenger seat out of my car and built a rig
Dawid, need to try and get a shifter for the rig
And a handbrake for rally
Oil Baron Racing sounds like the perfect name for a Wacky Races type Mario Kart ripoff with characters themed after cartoon rich people archetypes.
this is one very niche area of pc gaming where you have to dump in quite a bit of money for it to be as immersive as it needs to be. but once you get or at least try out a full on setup, its an experience thats quite amazing. a direct drive set up with a samsung ark monitor absolutely slaps as these young whipper snappers say
Dawid another great piece of content. I have been following for a longtime now and you set your self apart by actually giving your point of view with actual emotion and those two things along with your great “tactfull” descriptions really make for some great stuff my friend. Thank you.
man I forgot how bad AC looks without mods
Have to give a hats off to Both Moza and Trakracer. They gave their stuff to someone who will give a completely unbiased and honest opinion on the product AND the price. Also people that had never heard of them now got to see what they offer and how good it is, Now all those two have to do is get together and get the steering wheel mounts correct. Full marks to both companies. You have officially been Dawided!!!
You mean a completely uneducated position…
So you are saying someone trying something for the first time, their opinion about it is less valid. So unless your are an expert in X your opinion is Irrelevant?@@TheOfficialOriginalChad
@@dagdamar2000 not at all…but it’s quite interesting that you got all of that out of so few words. Does that happen to you a lot?
Not at all, but now looking at it with your reply I think you were referring to this been his first attempt at racing game setups. Not that his opinion was invalid. Thank you for clarifying your position.@@TheOfficialOriginalChad
Moza is recently throwing their stuff at people who have absolutely no clue about sim racing (and who think a G29 is a big investment) as long as they have enough followers.
Which is enough reason for me to never ever buy a Moza product (besides Simucube 2 Pro is still the goldstandard, so why buy anything else if you’re serious about sim racing?) again.
I hate such blatant marketing initiatives that aren’t focused on their target demographic.
Gotta love the 'giggity' comment when Dawid says 'cockpit' :)
I've bought a NLR Wheelstand 2.0 and added a self made wooden platform (painted in black of course :D) and a used BMW sport seat. Paid about 600€ for everything and I love the variability and the comfort the real car seat has to offer (can even adjust height, lumbar support, seat angle and upper leg support).
Would highly recommend something like this to anyone!
This video is the best I've seen from Dawid, yes, I like simracing, but just watching him discover new things is unique between all the pre built reviews
Absolutely glorious mate, loving where all these videos are going
Nice to see the smile you had barreling around in the setup. As others have mentioned get your hands off the darn wheel if you're going to crash! When it comes to cost (and some of it is insane so I built my rig out of 2x4's and MDF which weighs a ton 🤣) keep in mind that sim racing is a serious hobby for a lot of racers as golf is to some people. For the next 'upgrades' I would recommend testing would be triple monitors and/or VR (Everyone has their own preference. I like triples myself.) to increase your peripheral visibility, and then for more immersion add a 'Buttkicker' (Yes. That's what it is called.) setup which will add vibration to your rig and seat which is a lot of fun if the title you play supports it. Overall sim racing is a fun little hobby for those of us that will never get the chance to drive a proper race car whether it be cost or physical size. The '79 Lotus F1 is my favorite to drive so I had a smile. Great video Dawid!
I am so glad Moza and Trak Racer reached out to you, as this was an absolutely amazing video. That being said, I couldn't imagine having the patience to set up the stand.
Driving on a teenager's face, and then I died laughing
hahahaha ikr. So visual
seems like he got the canadian version with the square wheels
I remember them days.
Those who got into sim racing in the past couple years have no idea how good they have it. There are so many choices now, and that competition has brough prices way down. I started 6 or 7 years ago and the DD choices were the Accuforce V2 @ around $1000 for a 10 Nm base, or an OSW base with 20+ Nm for $1500+. Pedals were the same way. You could get Fanatec V3's for $350-450 (for inverted), or go high end and spend $1000+. There was nothing in between because sim racing was such a small niche. I have around $5k into my setup and for me it's money well spent. At 8+ hours a week for the last 5 or 6 years, I think I've more than gotten my money's worth in entertainment out of it. It never gets old to me, especially with VR.
Moza giving Dawid a wrist strain faster than 16 year old Dawid could give a wrist strain to himself
one of the things i felt like was possibly lacking was some kind of mechanism that can jiggle your seat as you go over bumps. so i went on to TrakRacer's website and it turns out! not only do they have that product, it's like, a product CATEGORY. they're called actuators, and they seem pretty awesome.
the website itself has an enormous selection. and don't worry if you're Canadian. you can just click the little flag in the top right corner, and switch over to the American version. which has a much wider selection of products.
i was also impressed to see not only 3rd break pedals, but also manual gear shifters!! they even carry those awful "sequential" manual shifters, if you're a masochist or something.
Imagine buying all of this stuff to play gta San Andreas 😂😂😂
I have a Fanatec CSL Elite on a Next Level Racing cockpit running a PS5 with PSVR2 for GT7. It’s amazing in VR feels like you’re there in the cars. Would love to try DD on this setup!
Tech gaming UA-camr with a manual winding watch. What a fucking Chad. Mad respect
The end of this video has got me excited! Would love to see Dawid add a Quest 3 to this setup, or any good headset.
So Anna, is he wearing driving gloves around the house yet?
Not yet but soon hahaha
Funny how in a street car, adjusting the "cockpit" is so easy, but on a sim rig that isn't restricted to a surrounding car, it's such a pain...
It's super easy for sim racing too but gotta pay extra for that luxury lol
@@DoWorkNP I want to get into sim racing, but thing I'd want adjustability to be able to share with a mate or let other guests try. In team races it's also nice to be in the same room, it seems.
Dude welcome to SIM Racing, the struggle is real and your gaming life has forever changed. Just wait till you get a motion rig and a buttkicker!!!
13:42 is the exact benefit of having a more powerful wheelbase - headroom in the torque output to have the ability to get the details of the small nuanced feedback. :)
FINALLY A VIDEO WHERE HE TRIES BEAMNG, except it's not for cpu benchmark
I have a trak racer rig and Moza products as well. I also happened to have a VR headset and I let my friends use it, and some of them were explaining how they were getting a "phantom feel" for being inside a real car.
"Is Expensive Sim Racing ACTUALLY Worth It?"
Is a gym subscription?
lol the answers to that is "depends on what you do with it" everyone forgets those parts, hence why he tests them out to say "is this gonna be worth it for YOU"
I gym 6 days a week for the past 7 years, if health is important to you it definitely is but most gym’s definitely make their money on new year’s resolution lock in contracts
@@TubaraoCK6One did with me one year. I never even went once. Stupid decision, but we all learn from our mistakes, hopefully.
@@TubaraoCK6 not to be that guy, but I think that was a joke about how high-end sim gear is so brutal and racecar-y that it is a genuine workout, seriously, go check out some 100% FFB challenges from people using DD wheel bases, it almost seems like they're doing a powerlifting competition during an earthquake
middle of the range is worth it. Most people dont need more than 8-9nm DD wheels but if you play 7 hrs every week, thats $4 per hour for a $1500 setup
If you buy a AAA game at $70 and its less than 14hrs, thats worse value for your time
i like this style of reviews where u havent tried every brand of wheel under the sun but give insightful information for an actual buyer
LMAO being poor sucks...
Could build a cardboard steering wheel hooked up with attachments to a gamepad like the guy on youtube did. 😂
I mean DD have gone quite cheap now a days. It used to be a definite $1000+ just to get the wheel. But now you can get whole starting bundle for $400ish. With wheels and pedals. It’s basically is the same price as Logitech g923 gear drive
some funny details about ffb in beamng:
due to it being based on the soft body physics of the game its violently shakey, and requires a lot of friction, smoothing, and inertia
the most important thing to many, is that despite having a VERY good power steering simulation, no car presets have it equipped, so dawid was basically driving a ford F150 with the power steering disconnected, for those who may not know, that's a full blown workout, and the only reason dawid didn't come out of this video absolutely jacked is because of the lowered ffb.
edit: btw, moza and some other manufacturers make wheel bases above 16Nm, moza has a 21Nm base and I've seen monstrosities beyond 30Nm, with any wheel base of this kind (hell, above 8Nm its probably a good idea) you should REALLY have an emergency shutoff switch (usually the big red button you see on the side of some people's simrigs), these things aren't just strong, they are absurdly fast, they can and they will absolutely destroy your hands if something goes wrong.
I’m shocked an actual review, I never liked racing games because of how crappy the control is with an Xbox controller but this has made me re-evaluate that.
git gud scrub
Yeah, I definitely want to see you VR race this thing. So total cost of this experience is probably around 6-7K when you factor in the PC and the big-ass monitor (or 3). This sounds like a huge amount of money but not when you consider the alternative of actual weekend track racing. I used to amateur track race when I was young around 20 years ago and just playing around with motorcycles financially broke me let along with the actual bones. I won't describe this as a cheap activity but in the metric of hobbies, it's relatively cheap. Another thought is can you, with the addition of a flight yoke go flying with this thing?
Will he be doing flight sim rigs someday?
When the shipping costs of wings goes down 😉
I will use my very legitimate and daily experience as an airline pilot to judge the RealFeel factor of the flight rig.
Now it's time to really put yourself through some pain. It's called iracing.
Real big boy sim racing is expensive. But if you like it and you're reasonably good at it, then it is totally worth it
And for example, about lock ups. Usually finding the limit IRL is easier than in any game. Quality gear is just a good tools to get closer to this edge.
Imo its worth it
I'm working towards SIM racing collecting the hardware. I have a 32 in LG gaming monitor bought new and have a used Ryzen 7 5700G pc coming. Will probably get a Logitech 920 or 923 all with Asetto Corse. Being quite old software I'm hoping it will run well enough. I do not like large PC cases and always go for the NUC type format. Trying not to invest too much at this stage.
Fourty years ago I was an amateur race driver all over NW Europe based in UK and I'm wondering how I'll do with SIM racing.
Your video here is very enthusing for me at nearly 71yo. 🤓
You are far too excited by this.. I don't like it 😆
We are scared also.
You're going to love VR sim racing, the spacial awareness it adds makes racing a lot a easier. I'm at the point now where no VR = no buy. Although, you do need a Saudi oil baron's PC to make it look pretty.
From the first minutes of the video one thing should be noted and corrected. Why sitting, feel, FOV and quality of force feedback is important is that because when things as close 1:1 as possible to common reality of racing or driving we can start applying whole world of knowledge for that from real world. And if someone would like to use racing games to study racing tracks before trackday or something - can' emphasize enough the need for correct seating, fov and hardware for the task. So it is not only about "feel" but about procedures. And the thing called "chair driving" or "mental driving" was created way before any racing games existed. And used just like one can use simulator/racing game.
VR is definitely a next level for racing, I personally use Quest 3 but for better performance you may look into some dedicated SteamVR positions like Valve Index - anything openVR will do, meta requires launch app to start Steam VR which causes your PC to bottom out on the heavy load (unless you are 4090'er)
Thanks for sharing this experience, looking forward for the next one!
I upgraded from the G29 to a Moza R9 this year and it was a very worthy upgrade. Quality stuff if you like simracing.
With direct drive wheelbases, particularly the higher torque ones/more powerful ones, it is very important to take your hands off the wheel if you crash. You can literally break fingers and wrists. Don't try and hold on or calm the wheel movement down after a crash.
Wrestling with the wheel when *almost* crashing is something else entirely though. Hold on for that :)
That was a pretty cool overview for someone who just started sim racing and is currently using a desk mounted g920 (it's so loud) from a friend.
This full setup is the coolest thing I've seen on the channel in a while, this is just awesome
Add a Buttkicker. Simple, low cost immersion that is spot on. If you wind up trying VR, it will completely put you in the seat.
Vr is good but its hard to race competitively for hours on end
The potential for digit dismemberment just adds to a deeper level of immersion. Brace,Brace,Brace !!!
Learned a lot from you while building my PC then got into sim racing. I think this is a natural evolution. Can't wait to see your reaction when you try VR sim racing.
Man, I work with a veteran non for profit that works with disabled vets and this would be something epic to put into our facility. Dreaming.
With you holding onto the wheel during crashes, I'm glad you didn't decided to go for the Simucube Ultimate motor, which can reach 32 Nm of torque. That motor can actually break your wrist or arm if depending on how it twists with all that force.
14:20 but that's the thing, the real life car doesn't have heavy steering, people say it actually feels quite light. People pay so much to make everything massively unrealistic.
Yeah, but race cars do
Depends on the car. Modern normie cars have basically no feedback at all, but older sports cars can be a workout just to drive to the store.
Such a nice and detailed review. Plenty job and effort, well done!
Hey Dawid - I have the Moza R9 and found that in BeamNG drive you have to invert the FFB in the in-game settings for it to not shake your desk apart and provide proper feedback.
Iv'e been sim racing since 2014.
I went from P Cars with the T150, then too Assetto Corsa and the T300, finally to iRacing and a Fanatec.
Let me tell you, a wheel with FFB is a must.
You may laugh, but the amount of people that buy a cheap wheel, with no FFB just to get what they think is the start of a sim racing experience, the FFB is a HUGE part of that experience.
Also, the wheel doesn't make the driver, the driver makes the wheel.
If you are crap at sim racing, spending over a grand on a Fanatec won't make you Lewis Hamilton, you'll just crash and probably break your wrists, because yes, the feed back from direct drive and Fanatec wheels is POWERFUL.
Also, tweak your wheel settings for you, as there are settings that adjust the feel of the road, tyre, slip, grip, the actual feedback.
You don't need an expensive wheel to have a good experience.
If you are new, an entry level wheel from Thrustmaster or LT will be great, way more immersive than a controller.
The internet makes you think you need an expensive wheel, the playseat, expensive pedals etc.
If you do that, you'll be spending over £700.
The T300 is around £280
The playseats are around £300 to £350
The T3PA Pedals are around £150
Add delivery and insurance, you are well over the £700, and believe me, there are way more expensive wheels and pedals.
All you need......
Just a gaming seat, chair, a sturdy desk is all you need too start, and buy something like the Thrustmaster T128, it is an entry level with pedals and will do fine.
If you find you enjoy it and get better..... THEN upgrade.
As someone who has upgraded their rig multiple times and made a lot of purchasing mistakes, do your research!
I made the mistake of cheaping out on a wheelbase with no FFB, only to buy a G29 a few weeks later, and then upgrading to a CSL Elite a few months after that, and then a CSL DD a few years later.
If you have the money, go with a Direct Drive wheelbase as DD is the future. Belt and gear driven wheels are good for folks who don't have the budget, but don't waste money on a rig that you will upgrade from in a few weeks. Save up and buy a DD wheelbase right away if you can afford it. There is no comparison to gear or belt driven wheels.
Dawid, the ffb im Dirt Rally feels muted because of the cars. They are rally cars with suspensions built to handle bumps, hence the ffb feels more muted.
Ive found that the ffb strength is something you get used to. Initially coming from ~2.5nm entry level wheels i had my first direct drive turned way down because it felt so strong. Over time i kept upping the power and at some point i hit the limit and began looking at even stronger wheels.
I played console racing games with a controller many years ago but always wanted a better setup. I finally bought a Moza R12 an a real rig and it's probably the most fun I've ever had playing video games. iRacing is the most addictive game/sim I've ever played. It's amazing. Yes it's costly but this is a real hobby for me and it's literally the thing I do the most lol
You really rocked that drifting sequence at 4:15
Check out bass shakers and wind sims to up the immersion. Then the crazy high end stuff is motion rigs.
You need to get yourself on automobilista 2. Big update recently. It's such a great game now. As always, love the videos. Gear looks awesome. And keep it up.
AMS 2 is great, just wish they had more F1 tracks. They have most, but still missing good ones. The physics in that game is top notch, from having to consider temp of tires and brakes, to weather changes and driving outside the racing line. 8/10 for me.
This is by far my favourite video series and easily the coolest thing you’ve done on this channel
I'd like a DD wheel, but as kind or a newbie to sims I preferred not dropping so much. A G29 and a Quest 2 is perfectly fine for an average lad like me, I never liked racing games so much, and it also made me a much better player than before because I can grasp much more of what's happening.
You need an emergency stop button for direct drive, that way when you lose control you can hit the button and the wheel shuts off
The button is only for if the wheel malfunctions and wont stop spinning back and forth. Its not to be hit every time you simply crash the car lol
Look at getting content manager for Assetto Corsa, CSP (custom shaders patch) and Sol. Put all that together and it’ll change your experience to something incredible. I simply race mainly in iRacing with a Reverb G2 and you’re right, it’s next level using a full rig in VR
The next step should be to add bass shakers! It made a huge difference in immersion for a very low cost. Racing without them now feels so… flat
So good that you are experiencing this with a great FFB game like AC. And VR on top of this will be incredible. Excited to see the journey.
Ya with a big enough monitor or vr glasses i think id be yelling like when I'm on a rollercoaster. Looks very immersive. Would love to have gear shifter and clutch tho. Dawid had clutch but looks like he didn't use
Amazing. Tha ks for uploading. I had a big smile watching this
Vr is really great, triples are king. Do both! More content!
Enjoyed the review and watching you go through it.
Have a rig that was a multi year multi stage project, but it’s a hugely rewarding thing. Took me a weekend and change to get the frame done too.
Hopefully you get to keep it!
VR really is the next logical step with such a neat setup. VR makes driving so much more fun, even with a controller, because of how intuitive you can look along each curve while taking it, which isn't possible on a TV, imo.
VR is definitely wonderful for sim racing. I've got a rig, just a G29 I got for cheap, as well as a used Quest 2 and it's exciting to use.
To imagine you can get a high-tier beast of a gaming PC with $2500, you really need to be into sim racing to be willing spend another $2500 for this setup. Plus an extra $1000-1500 for a fitting OLED gaming monitor. Pimp my ride, indeed. Either way, awesome video, as always. Thanks for the good entertainment! 👌😊
Long time viewer, very happy to see you picking up sim racing. In my opinion, sim racing on a decent setup in vr is the pinnacle of modern gaming.
After seeing a channel here on UA-cam named Project Sim Racing - even this setup is NOTHING. I highly recommend anyone who is into sim racing, or who wants to see an absolutely insane sim setup with a triple screen thingy with one of the most high end most expensive sim setups around while the guy plays WRC, Assetto Corsa, American and European Truck Simulator (he does long, long videos with lofi beats to these, for calmer real-life point to point stuff, it's great lol) and several other sim or sim-lite games. It'll blow your mind seeing some of these games played like this. The WRC videos alone look like a real-life WRC race broadcast, minus all the game-y stuff of course. Highly recommended again if you want to see real, real expensive sim racing or want to get into sim racing and see what it can look like.
YOu should check out the rigs from Boosted Media and Race beyond matter.
It's been amazing finding your channel! I haven't laughed this hard at a UA-cam video in a while
Great video as all ways 😊
I had smile on my face the whole video 😂
Happy to see you express your joy and pure happiness on this video
You truly made me think I'm the one who is driving and giving it all .
Thank you David you made my day i hadn't laugh or smile for the past month or so .
Wish you all the best from Algeria ♥️
I have a basic racing sim just with a thrust master T150 and a chair and stand. I was disappointed in how it felt relative to actually driving. Last year I was at the Henry Ford Museum in Detroit and I found they have a sim racing part. For like $20 all 3 of us went on for like 15 minutes it’s was insane, they are fully moving like 10k setups I had so much fun on my first lap I was a second over the target time it was extremely intense and fun. If I go back I’m gonna crush that target time.
For game drivers, your peak cost/performance recommendation is only a couple high end smartphones in price. I don’t enjoy driving that much, but it seems a good setup for those who do. And yes using a vr headset would greatly increase the immersion.
You mentioned vr towards the end. I use a vive pro2 headset and I just want to confirm that it raises everything to a level that is indescribable. I'm really looking forward to seeing your reaction. Unfortunately, that headset isn't cheap either, but I had others and kept upgrading before committing to that purchase. Its equally amazing with Microsoft flight sim. Just sayin'.
I got the R21, instead of a home gym. VR is great for exercise too (damn kids and that Beat Saber!) Got the wheel base a couple weeks ago, still waiting for CSR pedals. Rugged stuff!!! Don't drop on yer foot and end a sim racing career! I got the emergency switch too, seemed like a good idea. Moza also makes some badass gymbals for slrs, and cellphones. Their Pro model, well, ya just better be at that price! I wonder if that has anything to do with their electric motor building talent... Peddles should be here tomorrow... Thanks for being surprised at the performance, makes waiting the harder part.
Fyi, the rpm thing your instructor told you doesnt apply for performance cars because the engine is made for going fast and not being reliable
This was a great watch. A few things to note:
1. Assembling a good sim racing frame and wheel will typically last through several generations. I used the same frame from the PS3 era until just last year, for example.
2. Direct drive is great, but comparing the Logitech G29 (which is essentially the exact same "budget" wheel they've been making for over 10 years) is a bit much. The G29 is just woefully bad by modern standards. It should legit cost like $70 as it's in that league of fisher price wheel controllers. Logitech DOES make a great DD wheel that costs about 1k all in. I ended up with that, and even though it goes to 8nm I run it around 50-60%. The good thing about Logitech's "Pro" is it has pretty good game and console support, and you can flip to to G29 "mode" for any older games that lack bespoke or configurable support. Also it has a LCD that lets you configure a lot of the settings without needing to go into the software.
Sim racing is great fun. I don't play it as much these days, but I did pour like 400 hours into Forza Horizons on my frame, which made for a really unique experience. As it's essentially an open world racing RPG with pretty okay driving dynamics, made incredibly fun with a proper wheel and frame. Just putting on some tunes and cruising around the world was some of the best gaming I've done in years. I should pick up the sequel and see if the game still has it's charm.
I recommend playing a lot of flat screen before jumping into VR sim. Once you do try VR, PLEEEEEAAASSSE have the camera rolling when you start. Depth perception with VR for the first time is absolutely mind blowing and I want to see your reaction. It will be great. I’ve been using the R9 for a year and it is a great midrange. I can’t see going any higher tier unless you are trying to bulk up 😂😂💪🏼
Dawid, I noticed in the BeamNG section, you had the FFB Axis not Inverted, which it needs to be to give proper FFB Data. It's counter-intuitive but it is much more enjoyable with that setting turned on.
I've driven big, powerful cars fast on tiny Italian roads and this genuinely reminded me of it