all the modern visual media are using the frequencies formerly allocated for radio broadcasting, it's all radio.. even when it used to be television, it's still in the band width we marked frequency modualtion. i'm next to a localized transmitter right now. 🤔
I don't think Alastor told him that this partnership was just mere entertainment. A fan theorized that yes, Vox confessed his feelings to Alastor, but Alastor told him no because he is canonically aroace. He doesn't like him like that. Remember that creepy fan of Fizzarolli from the Mammon episode on Helluva Boss? How he became an obsessive hater after Fizz rejected him? I think that's Vox. He's upset that he can't get in a relationship with Alastor, so he obsessively hates him.
Yeah I could buy into the idea that Alastor liked Vox originally, but the same way he likes Rosie or Niffty or possibly Charlie. Alastor's fine making casual friends, but sees himself above overaffectionate bonds, to the point of a survival tactic, he HATES the idea in the finale song because he wants to be associated as an all-powerful loner that needs no one. I definitely buy into the idea that Vox had WAY more for Alastor and he just matter of fact rejected him, though likely more in a "Nothing personal, old boy, but I'm just not like that" sort of way. I think if anything that would ADD to Vox's scorn, that Alastor was not even hateful about it, just indifferent, or at least presented himself as such, and possibly didn't even expect Vox to take it bad. Them being close didn't even pass his mind. Hell maybe that's what Alastor thought was 'asked me to join his team', he doesn't understand Vox's request properly, thinking it was a mere business opportunity. They just DON'T understand each other.
@@e-122psi3well of vox did confess to him then alister would probably try to say he’s into women (literally that what vizzy said about him that he just doesn’t think he found his type yet even though he’s ace)
Yes like I said before. But really, he is a hidden demisexual like me. Remember, he loves women more but prefers to be asexual or demi--depends on how you want to write him. Viv was right. He really is a demi like me. Alastor is a great hunting buddy though....
When Vox is glitching out you can see video-test color bars flash onscreen, most of them are the regular rainbow colors. But when Alastor reveals he said no to their partnership, Vox glitches out again and you can see the rainbow changes to the Bisexual Flag. So yeah, He definitely took the rejection very personally.
@@Bloomkyaaa You're looking through the wrong frames, then, 'cause I'm certain they're there. It's, in the original song, "You old timey PRICK!" when he stands and his head cocks to the side(s). Even if the rainbow is all you see, here's the thing: that's not the typical TV color test. The blue, purple and pink were close to eachother like the said bi flag.
When it comes to the villains of the show, Vox was my favorite of the three Vee’s. His personality was sm fun, I liked his design, I like his abilities, his relationship with Alastor is so entertaining, his va does a great job, and his musical moments are some of my favorites of the show. I can’t wait to see more of him in season 2. It’s just a fun time watching vintage vs modern being represented with the clash of Alastor vs Vox.
alright but i genuinely want Vox to properly get pissed off at Alastor, not for rejecting him, not for leaving but for immediately replacing him. Call it my need for more Vox lore but just imagine the situation! You gain feelings for a friend, you confess and not only do they reject you, not only do they laugh at you or degrade you or whatever but they LEAVE for 7 YEARS only to replace you as soon as they get back but that's just my little Vox hyperfixation talking :3
The one thing that really reinforces my personal belief on how Vox and Alastor’s friendship fell apart is Alastor’s line in the first episode about radio being “the _proper_ medium to express oneself,” suggesting a degree of artistic integrity. And consider the fact that Alastor allowed his visage to show up on film when he and Vox took that picture. Alastor! The Radio Demon! And he allowed his picture to be taken alongside Vox! I think their friendship at least was honestly genuine. For a while, at least. So here’s my take: However it was that Vox and Alastor came to be close, it was always “chasing the next big thing” for Vox. Al, however, is a man of firm principles. He doesn’t turn his back on what has gotten him to where he is, unlike Vox, whose compulsion to jump onto new trends goes past innovation into a lack of commitment (at least to someone as old-fashioned as Alastor). There is no doubt in my mind that Vox had a thing for Al, but I don’t think he ever got as far as actually confessing his feelings (though I can attest that getting shut down before you can properly confess still hurts A LOT). Anyway, my guess is that while Vox worked to expand his influence, Alastor simply couldn’t help noticing they were drifting apart and going down different paths (way easier for his asexual ass to notice than the probably otherwise super obvious signs of Vox’s crush on him). Vox asking for a formal upgrade to their partnership was just the final nail in the coffin. Al had too much pride in himself and his work, and was downright offended by Vox more-or-less asking him to sell out. Rather than compromise his artistic integrity to the commercialization Vox was embracing, Al flatly refused, cut ties, and made it *very* clear that they couldn’t be friends anymore. Alastor moved on with his afterlife (minus his one male friend) and Vox didn’t.
@@user-nm1lx8qb3u …Vox. Look, I (and many others) just can’t help noticing that almost all the people with whom Al seems close enough to honestly consider his friends (Rosie, Mimzy, _maybe_ Charlie, and he even has a way better relationship with Niffty than with Husk) are women. That’s the only reason I mentioned it: Vox _was_ his *one* male friend, but, well, they’re sure not friends anymore, are they?
@@HannahBanina oooh! Okay. Cause after Alastor cut off from Vox, I couldn't think of anyone else.😅(Besides maybe Zestial, but that's more along the lines of RESPECT rather than friendship.) (See what I did there?)😉
I wonder if Valentino played a part in the falling out between Vox and Alastor. We see Vox in his original big TV box state in 2 separate pictures, one with Alastor and one with Valentino. What if in meeting Valentino, someone who was very knowledgeable of the popular entertainment trends of the 70s, he met someone who was more interested in his ideas than Alastor showed. Plus, given how Valentino slyly drops the bombshell news of Alastor’s return on Vox, reminding Vox that Alastor almost beat him during their battle, and subtly encourages Vox to send a message to Alastor that he’s in charge now, it makes me wonder if Valentino purposely helped deepen the rift between Vox and Alastor. And going with your theory, maybe Alastor immediately disliked Valentino, including all he stood for, and was disappointed to see Vox align with Valentino and becoming a different person than the man he once called “pal.”
Even with minimal screentime, we see that Vox is probably the most self destructive villain after Adam. His temper tantrum fuelled feud with Alastor just constantly backfires on him and gives Alastor more fuel for his fire. He makes a big deal about....what not a big deal Alastor is after finding out he's back on public TV and Alastor siezes the chance to ridicule him back, making obvious to everyone who has the high ground. Then he sends Sir Pentious to spy on Alastor, and cruelly dismisses him when he doesn't do a good enough job, leading Charlie to take Sir Pentious in anyway. Sir Pentious and his Egg Bois end up the spanner in the works for the Extermination, the hotel is saved, and Alastor gets his deal with Charlie that Vox dreaded. I have a feeling that sinners being proved redeemable might end up a thorn in the Vees' plans later on as well with less souls to prey on, which will also be all on Vox for sending Hazbin their first successful client. The Overlord meeting implies most high powers were indifferent to Alastor. Had Vox simply kept his cool about Alastor, he wouldn't have looked like the big cheese again, he wouldn't have got his deal with the Princess of Hell, and his business likely would have been swiftly obliterated and forgotten about during the Extermination, rather than given all the support beams it needed. I get the feeling as the series goes on, Alastor won't be proven Vox's worst enemy, VOX will be.
I feel like we might see a Vox redemption arc but idk - his connection with val, and knowing what Val does and can do with his venom... there's gotta be some power play.
@@beanieful204 His connection with Val seem to be mostly pragmatic as porn thing that will always sell, the same with Velvette, however it is clear and even dirrectly said that Val is too emotional, wrathful and rash to be sucessful and the only thing preventing him from being simply a pimp is the fact that Vox is able to keep him in line and calm him down, while Val needs Vox to be a powerful player Vox doesn't need him, he will lose influence, but still news are very powerful medium and even without porn industry he can make it work.
I mean Alastor is Ace... It could just as likely be that Vox pushed his boundaries. Alastor posed for a picture with Vox, something I can't see him doing unless he did care about the guy, just not in the way Vox wanted him to. Alastor probably Did laugh, but in a way that was meant to give Vox an out. "Haha! What a grand joke, my friend! I think you've been watching too many of your own melodramas!" Confronted with those kinds of feelings, I could see Alastor try to backpedal Fast. There's not a lot of friendships that can come back from that kind of confession, especially if it's literally never going to happen on one end. I have a theory that the confession wasn't even the cause of the fight, but an inciting incident that festered over time until they actually hated each other. Vox really treats Alastor like an Ex, but Alastor addresses him with epithets like: Old Pal. I also think the old vs new tech is just an exaggerated aspect of their personal vendettas. Alastor does know modern lingo, and how to legitimately edit video (learned from Vox?) he's just Petty. So, so Petty.
Alastor sure had a fun time editing that promo video for the hotel! Just look at all the sarcastic shots and texts in the video, he knew what he was doing and was probably laughing his ass off at how pathetic he made the hotel look lmao
It is really interesting how Vox is weirdly set up as ironically more sympathetic than Alastor despite the former being billed as a major antagonist. Really goes to show you how evil Alastor is.
Part of it is because we can all relate to the general frustration and such that Vox has. He’s shown in a light of not being a villain, and is actively given ways out when presented _as_ a villain moment to moment. (If you’ve ever had a really bad day of fighting with tech support while also in IT yourself, you completely understand how both wrong but tooth grindingly tempting Vox’s “I’ll send up the lowest earners” line is. Yeah, it’s horrific, but you also might want to kick some teeth in after being given the run around by someone all day and told the thing that is actively wrong on the computer is not really what is going on and you’re just an idiot.) Alastor isn’t given the same amount of emotional depth for several reasons, the biggest being that he doesn’t ever drop the mask around the audience either until his part in the finale. Then he’s mask off and completely crumbling. I’ve had to repeatedly remind myself that this is a musical theater thing and that I’m (historical fiction writer) going to be crushed if I expect Hazbin to fix their magic system that they accidentally over did by not realizing that the moment Vox started building his empire during those seven years Alastor was gone, based on the song, and that even with no love lost between the two, Vox went against logic and his character and made everything wireless. Which if he actually were making his empire and the switch to video while he and Alastor weren’t speaking/Alastor had poofed and couldn’t hold his own iron grip on Hell, Vox /never/ would have moved off of fiber optic cables. WiFi could be high jacked by Alastor, any wireless modem would be laid out and overheated and fried by the Radio Demon. And because so much of Alastor’s character is hidden behind the persona of the Radio Demon, and when that isn’t his ‘on’ he’s ’on’ in his Host persona (you can watch him flip back and forth around Lucifer and then as he manipulates Charlie right into his open hand when they make their deal in episode 7). Vox is sympathetic, because we do get to see the real Vox. I think we only get to see the real Alastor, aside from when he’s scrambling and having a breakdown in his tower, briefly when he really thinks he’s _that good_ that he doesn’t need an angelic steel weapon to take out Adam. That he’s strong enough to rival Lucifer, to be a soul who has taken charge of his own fate. That is who Alastor _desperately_ wants to be. He _idolizes_ this… person who is feared, or loved, he doesn’t care, but who is respected and seen as amazing and can do whatever they want, however they want. He idolizes a thing that doesn’t exist, and might exist if he could get out of his own way long enough to realize if he wants to have that freedom he needs to not care who has what power and be willing to walk away from _everything_ . Wanting power, and constantly trying to get it as a misguided way to be ‘free’ so he commits atrocities instead, is why he’s evil, and why he’s so… annoying? Like I love Al, and I dislike fannon Al, but there is a large part of me that has spent five years with a different version of the Radio Demon than either of them, and canon Al needs A) someone to smack him in the head with his micstaff, just bonk, right between the antlers, and B) a personal assistant who knows how proud he is and knows that the idiot didn’t take an angelic steel weapon on purpose and still chooses to make sure he has a revolver and a hunting knife on him. The worst that happens if Alastor is shown having supports (notice how both of his lackies in Husk and Niffty either hate him, or aren’t capable of the foresight to realize that he’s going to go off half cocked into battle) is he’s depicted as less evil, and his threat value is lessened, the way Vox’s is. For that matter, I’m sure Rosie didn’t pester him because she probably doesn’t realize, even though she clearly has known Al for decades, that Alastor was too proud to bother to make sure he didn’t get himself iced. It wasn’t like he went to fight angels with his proper weapons he used as a human as his fallback. He didn’t take them _at all_ so when he needed to not get got, he had to scamper off.
In defence of Alastor I think he is still a bit unfamiliar with what his deal actually does to him. Just based on how surprised he was when Adam broke his mic with one hit I think at his full power he would have actually been able to hold him off for a significant amount of time though not necessarily be able to kill him. Beyond that his oldest friends (Rosie and Mimzy) insist that aside form the murdering he is a good and even sweet guy for the most part. I don’t think he is really supposed to be evil, more of a wild animal backed into a corner. Though he does lack empathy in general which can be interpreted as being outright evil.
@@Damned_afterall oh trust me, aside from his ego needing to be checked, (I really, really, _really_ want to take his micstaff and just **bonk** right between the antlers), I _adore_ Alastor. I’m more than fine to give him that pass for the (admittedly) larger sin of the eating of people, mostly because I’ve assumed he’s been strong armed into it-and once someone is in Hell I don’t even see an issue with it since aside from “is a Sinner demon by species” it’s just way too complicated for me to get my morality tangled in it. As far as his fight with Adam… Al still needs a personal assistant. Or _someone_ who is with it enough and cares about him enough that they will like duct tape an angelic steel blade to his tailcoat so he can’t just ditch the weapon to “prove” he’s so strong that he did the impossible (defeated the leader of the angelic army without angelic powers/metal). (This also gets back to bonking him over the head with his own mic. He needs _someone_ to call him out on his stupidity and ego.) Also, _apparently_ Alastor finding his various ‘work’ he did while human to be not unpleasant and to vaguely enjoy it, and find some sport in it, is a bad thing. Which I personally don’t follow, especially since it’s being argued over if part of what makes Adam’s exterminations more wrong is he sees it as sport and as entertainment. I think Adam is in the wrong because he blanket statemented all Sinners, when he is First Man, and basically hasn’t had anyone come along and corrected his jerk behaviors and told him to not be this selfish, ego, frat boy who embodies the seven deadly sins and needs to mature over the last 10k years into being a proper First Man and father to all of humanity. I don’t actually think Adam is wrong for enjoying hunting demons down. I’m almost positive that certain demons, exactly like the ones Alastor targeted while alive, are probably repeatedly targeted by other demons, including Alastor, and routinely ripped apart and forced to reform over and over again after they’re eaten/taken out. I agree about him being a wild animal, but it’s heavily implied that his deal has been around since he Fell/started taking over Hell by taking down Overlords. And that it isn’t new. I do think he’s not had to test it in battle and that he wrongly thought he was strong enough (for whatever reason his ego got that out of hand) to potentially take on Lucifer since he was more than willing to nettle him in Dad Beat Dad.
I am kinda hoping for a plot twist where alastor betrays Charlie while vox becomes the new ‘alastor’ and takes over his tasks while supporting Charlie but that’s just my hopes
About your question at 14:11, I think he's specifically referring to two overlords in particular: Rosie and Carmilla. Rosie lost hundreds or maybe even thousands of followers from the Cannibal Colony at the hotel during the big battle, greatly reducing her pool of manpower and possibly costing her some of her demonic power depending on how many of their souls she owned. Carmilla meanwhile provided weapons made of angelic steel for all those cannibals at either a greatly reduced price or even for free, and any weapons that the surviving cannibals didn't take with them would've almost certainly been scavenged from the battlefield by thieves in the aftermath of the fight. All-in-all, both overlords will most likely be in a much weaker position come the second season, and will almost certainly be the first on the Vee's hit-list before Alastor's return.
Rosie may have lost canibals (though they may take the view that a lost canibal is a found dinner) and Carmilla might have lost some weapons, but both gained a very powerful alies in the form of Charlie Morningstar and a newly reinvigorated Luficer Morningstar, as well eas each other. That aside, Carmilla appears to be very close friends with Zestiel, and he seems to be even more feared than Alastor. Pretty sure none of them need to worry about being physically attacked by the Vees. A more subtle concern might be Vox setting up a rival organisatrion to the hotel, offering Sinners an easier path to redemption that involves giving Vox money rather than actually changing themselves. Or the dangers involved in Charlie needing the Vees to take her ideas to the next level...
So what I'm hearing is.. radiosilence? 👀 But genuinely, Vox is one of my favorite characters from the series and I'm super excited to see more of him in season 2
One detail I noticed after watching a different analysis is how Vox has a habit of explaining his jokes, almost like he wants us to stay invested. In stayed gone, when he does the lyric “the demon is a coward” and cosplay’s a priest, he immediately uses the word gospel and later he cosplays like he’s on a vacation and uses the line “Vacay”, like he’s going “do you get it, do you get the joke”. And later he, when he has a deer 🦌 head on a plate, he uses double meaning for Bloody Rare and uses the prong to point at it, trying to have the audience laugh at his jokes. In short, like modern television he is very self conscious and NEEDS the audience to stay here watching him
Equal part egomaniac and insecure, so he desperately makes sure he's involved in everything and in the hearts and minds of his his audiance. Whatever happened to him that made him this must've cut so deep he never wants it to happen again.
With the gospel and vacation stuff, I don't think that's a good example of him being insecure about his jokes, because the jokes actually don't work if you just have the costume and not the lyric, or vice versa. But the bloody rare thing is definitely an example of that, really good hc/observation on your part.
This somehow reminds me of my bestie's red flag bf who makes it very obvious when he's trying to think of a joke thats "funny", idrk how to explain it but it's _really_ annoying.
@@kemi_smithalso in the "I'm the backbone of the vees" lyric, there's an ad on the top left of vox bring dressed in a mailman costume with the text "voxtek delivers instantly now" (or smth like that) He loves his cosplays
Honestly, I could go on an hour long rant about Vox and his connections with Alastor, but the most meaningful one I’ve noticed has got to be the twos outfits. Both wear suits, bowties, have the same shoe style, and, while not necessarily an outfit choice, they also share the claws at the end of their fingers. The reason this intrigues me is that we explicitly see from the old photo of Vox and Valentino that Vox did not always dress this way! He originally wore something much more unique, a blazer and turtle neck without any bowtie or old timey top hat (also an outfit more up-to-date than his current). For a man who does his best to keep up with the times to be wearing an outfit that utilizes mostly old fashion trends and also heavily resemble someone whom he claims to hate… there’s just no way it’s a coincidence lol. We don’t know when Vox had this outfit change but both major options are exciting to me. Either he changed before his falling out with Alastor, (maybe thinking that mirroring his image would project himself as someone with equal strength) or he did it after he had already been rejected. In the former, he refuses to change his new outfit due to possibly attachment? Maybe he views changing it as a way of letting Alastor win. The latter option, however, it implies that Vox reveres Alastor’s image to such a degree that he changed himself to match even after Vox knew Alastor wanted nothing to do with him. Maybe he wants to own it better than Al or maybe he didn’t believe his old outfit projected the image he wanted for himself. Idk, I’ll probably start to ramble about nothing if I keep going, but I’d love to hear if anyone else’s opinion on what the outfit change could mean.
I agree with your insight on the similar outfits for Vox and Alastor. Another possible reason Vox wears his outfit this way is his thinking that if he can’t have Alastor, he’ll be Alastor but better. It’s like how a victim of a bully gradually emulates their bully in appearance or mannerisms, as their way of getting back at that bully (ex. an unpopular kid bullied by a popular kid becoming a popular kid that bullied others too).
I’ve heard of how they resemble each other in their outfits but this take is new to me. I do agree on this, but perhaps he isn’t even really aware of his Alastor obsession? With his outfit too, maybe he convinced himself that it has nothing to do with Al and that’s why continues to wear it? Idk maybe I’m talking nonsense.
I love your editing style. It's JUST the right balance of entertainingly fast without being so fast as to being incoherent. Also the use of the instrumental of Video Killed The Radio Star is perfect.
Vox starting off a down and out makes a compelling dynamic since it makes Vox a dark mirror to Sir Pentious. You take a look at such an evolution and how blatantly bad he took Alastor's rejection, it feels like Vox didn't just want power, he wanted approval and companionship, something he still technically got but from equally toxic people like Val and Vel. It feels like ultimately Vox needed a Charlie at that low point in his (after)life who shown him proper compassion and put him on the right path. The fact he failed to be that to Sir Pentious himself also shows just how far gone he is by now. Taken further if Vox really did have a tragically rejected confession. Sir Pentious confessed to Cherri Bomb, but with no regrets and not even asking if she felt the same way, he was fine dying with that declaration of love with nothing in return. Vox's love was his start to darkness, Pentious' love was his start to heroism.
That’s such a good comparison and honestly ,the more I think about it, the more I’m fairly certain that’s what was intended. Another connection between the two is their similar power sets and abilities. Vox is a media demon who sells electronics to hell and has hypnosis powers activated by his eye. Sir pentious literally gets his appearance from the adage “snake oils salesman” and is also shown being quite the inventor himself. He also uses some kind of hypnotic ability on Angel during their fight, though it way less effective than Vox’s. Sir Pentious may be what Vox would have been like if he failed to succeed. Probably something along the lines of “absolute power corrupts absolutely”
@@CursusCida Sir Pentious even makes his own rendition of Vox's surveillance tech so he could command the battle in the finale. They also target Alastor for clout, though Pentious settles for being an ally on Alastor and Charlie's terms afterward, something Alastor is sure to mock Vox over since it was pretty much all his doing in the first place. Even more fittingly, while Alastor is more 'old timey' than Vox, Sir Pentious goes FURTHER back into Victorian steampunk type industry. Vox is the same guy who got everything he wanted. Pentious is the same guy who got everything he NEEDED.
@@e-122psi3also don’t forget that it’s implied sir pentious was a mad scientist when he was alive and actually wanted attention at what most scientists do and really he was a good antisocial boy who may have went to hell due to petty pranks on those that look down at him (reason for why he has eyes all round his body as it means that people judge him) and may have accidentally killed people as cannon fodder when one of his inventions went wrong killing him as well and leading him to hell
They even share a similar color scheme, with Pentious being a warmer character of Yellows, Reds, and Black while Vox is a colder character of Blues, Reds, and Black. Heck, when Vox realizes who he could use as a spy for the Hotel, two of his sharks circle his head to recreate a dark reflection of Sir Pentious’ hood
@@boltindie9011 I like how he contrasts both Alastor and Vox in terms of his arc. Alastor is completely adverse to any change of style or personality, while Vox continuously changes himself at the cost of his integrity. Pentious meanwhile, despite being from an even older time period than either of them, took a more healthy approach to change, becoming a better kinder version of himself. I think him inventing a similar device to Vox's while still using his usual cannons and battleships with the same angelic steel upgrade the others got in the finale also shows he's able to upgrade his ability set without losing his own trademark.
The next fight between them is going to be interesting. After actually being critically injured by Adam, Alastor is going to be extremely careful in any fight he has afterwards. Husk tried to warn him that since he’s been gone for seven years other demons might think he fell off and after losing his fight with Adam other demons might come for him. Alastor has a target on his back now and you know what they say about cornered animals.
I agree with all your points in this video whole heartedly, EXCEPT I don't think the "powerless without the other Vees" statement is necessarily true. Partially because Velvette probably wasn't even CLOSE to being in the picture during Al and Vox's initial fallout(she died in like the 2010s or smthn I think?), and partially because, while again I agree with all your points abt Vox being deeply pathetic(rip Vox), he is like. A GENUINELY capable business man. Working w/ Alastor in whatever capacity he did definitely gave him a boost in the rankings, but he's still skilled on his own. I think all of the Vees could be relatively powerful overlords on their own, but know that they're stronger together and that's why they stick together. Also the other Vees agreeing w/ Al in Stayed Gone could literally just be them being egotistical fucks lmao. ALSO to get into some overanalysis of Alastor, that line could mean that he genuinely thinks somebody who would willingly share any amount of power with anybody else is inherently weak on their own. That man has worked SO HARD to keep himself Without Attatchment, hell a big part of his breakdown in Finale was literally "I've gotten too close to these people and it's making me WEAK", so we already know he views personal relationships as some kind of weakness. He's so allergic to emotional intimacy it's actually kind of funny. Anyways, Al saying "he'd be powerless without the other Vees" might be more of an insight into HIS psyche then it is Vox's. Again, great video, amazing points, I just think Vox is more capable rhen... tbh a lot of ppl in the fandom give him credit for- Also I got so hyped when I saw the clip from WOY ejfnckskfkwkdn
YES! I think Vox is extremely capable and charismatic. Alastor is just his weakness, his Achilles heel, which makes their dynamic and Vox's breakdown in Stayed Gone even more exciting and rich.
Yeah, it also keeps to the dynamic in the show of how much synergy and bonds are not just a big heart of the story, but make the characters EFFECTIVE. That they are good team players and bring out the best in one another. It is implied the head Overlords similarly work in a close unit and confide in each other, while the Hotel predictably becomes unstoppable as soon as they form bonds and are united in this goal. Compare to someone like Sera who's house of cards falls with a gust of wind due to barely keeping management with Adam or the rest of the Heaven, the whole Extermination was enabled because her system is barely operated chaos. Even Alastor owes some of his power plays on the other Hazbin characters like Charlie or Frank, just likely under his belief, he isn't teaming up with them, he's WEAPONIZING them, he's a chessmaster using pawns, of course the finale shows Alastor breaking down and wondering whether this image is starting to crumble for 'altruism'.
@@redjirachi1 I think Alastor is probably part of the "Lost Generation" of people who grew up in the interwar period between WWI and WWII, but I may be misremembering.
my theory: so i don't think vox will die or anything in season2 cuz viv said the 3vees will have there own spinoff show at some point but im pretty sure that we will have like a really epic fight at the end or in some episode in season 2 also i think vox seems to have way more power then we have seen yet since hes a pretty powerful overlord
this is why I love one sided radiostatic* it's just too funny *radiostatic is the ship name for Vox and Alastor and the one sided version entails that only vox loves al, but al doesn't love vox
What I think is cool is the amount of parallels in Alastor’s and Vox’s actions and designs that show there’s going to be a legitimate rivalry between the two. I can’t wait to see where this goes
I just wanna see this guy go absolute WILD, when S2 comes out, and go crazy if Vox gets character development, or Radiostatic's relationship gets leaked. Waiting for your masterbrain to make more after S2 man. Keep it up!
Vox is my favorite character :) Radiostatic is my jam lately, i loved how bored Vox was at the top of the world "hey hey hey eff my life" in the beginning but when he founds out that Alastor is back, he goes giddy spinning around his building singing a song and all that. Remember how the Hotel wanted to do a tv commercial because no one knew them? Vox, as the literal owner of all media, could have just ensured to sabotage "Alastor´s project" by not making any advertising of it such as raise the cost of ad prices, or put the commercial at a very bad hour, that would be the most logical evil thing to do but oh my god Vox does exactly the opposite and puts Alastor´s name on national tv for FREE, his obsession with the deer goes to self destructive limits XD he is his own enemy and he is so real for that, i love the TV guy, he is so cute and pathetic XD
I feel the "overlords hanging by a thread" line could be a reference to Alastor and Rosie. Alastor because he got injured and nearly died, and Rosie as she lost a butch of her souls in the battle.
I thought it was like the overlords were too conflicted to do anything against heaven before and now they'll be more conflicted so the vees could do what they want without having to worry about another overlord stopping them
Once again this is a great character analysis ! Voc has very interesting potential as both a villain but also a character as a whole. Considering Viv confirmed that the Vees will be the main antagonists of season 2, such development could very much happen.
No one said that would happen to every antagonist though I would love it if Nifty made Val a part of her collection that guy has everything bad that happens to him coming I would even tell Charlies father about the licking just to see him get completely destroyed.
He most likely wont die being as though Vivzie Pop has stated that the V’s may get a spin off show so the chances of him dying are rather slim but it’s still a possibility
Got here quick as I could, vox is is interesting and wait until he reacts that Lucifer is alastor new rival or him getting along with sir pentious for both vox and pentious have one sided rivalry with alastor
Vox and Sir Pentious are my favorite characters too! I've had people ask how I could like Vox after how he treated Pentious and it's just like 🤷♀ They're both fun characters
For me the indicators of his insecurities begin with his first phrase "where's he been, Who gives a shit!" Thanks to the tone and performance of the VA we can see that he is saying something along the lines of "Where has alastor been? Who cares? Right? RIGHT?! NOT ME! I SWEAR"
The humor in the Stayed gone overanalyzing was just ✨😭😭😭 Edit: Btw Thank you for the warning to trust new sources, I will always check other News websites too
I do like the idea of Vox trying to foster a parasocial relationship with the rest of hell while being the victim of one that he has focused upon Alastor.
Not gonna lie, I almost cried watching that. Like Vox really thought Al cared for him just to Laugh and disrespect my man Vox. That would hurt anyone. 17:59
I always interpreted the Lin about “overlords hanging by a thread” to be more metaphorical, like they were just very shaken up. I sort of inferred that since everyone in Hell was panicked, that the overlords just kinda threw their image to the wind, thinking they were all going to die, and half destroyed their image in an effort to protect themselves against the angels. So now that they’re left alive, they have to deal with the repercussions of their safety measures, and they’re all now exposed because people realize that they aren’t as powerful as everyone thought. Hence, “hanging by a thread.” But that’s just my interpretation.
I'd like to see some ideas about so-called battle. I know it was mentioned in Alastor video, but am still curious how (or why) did Vox win. 'Cause I've seen a lot barrade, telling that "Vox never won", "Alastor rail roaded him", but, like. Did he? Upd.: About "coward" part, I think that might be genuine. If Alastor ran from the fight, like he did with Adam, Vox has every right to be angry about it.
I love Vox so much. (he and valentino were so cute in the finale even though I hate what val does) Good video! I love how brutal alastor in your version was!
@@firstgameplaygr8186 even though that may be true, Vox still manipulates and controls his costumers too. He wont care because that would just be hipocrisy.
I just realized something... The Deal Alastor did with whoever is in possession of his soul. Was about defeating Vox. Perhaps he bet he could take him over easily, and when this didn't happened. He became property. That's why his absence not only coincides with Lilith's disappearance but also his battle with Vox.
According to Vivziepop, Vox and Alastor do not get along due to their opposing views on technology, with Alastor disliking anything invented after he died in the 1930s, and Vox embracing new technology. Faustisse described Vox as having something of a fixation on Alastor and that he is interested in having Alastor notice him. Alastor does not have the same interest in return.
Vox honestly is just a better person than Alastor. He and the Vees wanted to fight the Angels while the other Overlords ignored them, only for the Hotel Crew to fight them anyways and then be praised for it.
I really like this theory. It goes well with the fact Vox is a tv, and what are tvs for? Entertainment. The idea of alastor simply hyping him up for the sake of enjoying watching his failures and Vox forming an actual bond with him makes so much sense. It would mean everything Vox looked up to for YEARS would be a complete lie, and it makes sense why he would then grow a literal “thing” for alastor just having the slightest inconvenience happen to him.
I did not expect to fall in love with this stupid, pathetic, skinny television man the way I did. I am so incredibly excited for him to be the main villain in season 2, for all of the reasons you mentioned! Him having this tragic backstory with Alastor is so deliciously messy and layered. (Also kudos for using Pokemon Colosseum music in the background; clearly you are a person of fine taste.)
Vox was actually the character I wanted to see most when the series first dropped as his design is absolutely amazing. Then after the show came out I loved him more than I thought I would, so if he does become the big bad for season 2 I would be so down for it.
Here’s another thing. Vox’s domain is video, but what does his name mean? Voice. Vox’s power is both an evolution and a dilution of Allastor’s Think about it for a moment. Allastor, the Radio Demon is the embodiment of early broadcast journalism. Audio only. He had to rely upon his words to stir the imagination of his subjects (listeners) he’s telling them how to think but he’s manipulating their imagination by letting them imagine. Vox is telling people what to think…and showing images in the hopes of stifling their imagination. Ever read a book, watch a movie based on that book, and complain about how the ‘movie didn’t (do this, that or the other thing) in the book?’ The book, like old radio programs, encourages the consumer to use their imagination; visual media reduces that. Go back in broadcast history to one of the famous radio ‘reporters,’ Walter Winchell. He evolved from newspaper to radio. He also learned to master the art of knowing what to say, what not to say and when to choose between them. He could build or destroy someone with a few choice words. That’s Allastor, just maybe not as affable as our lovable demon. Vox is…similar. But he’s a modern commentator and relies on visuals to gloss over anything he lacks in vocal persuasiveness. Allastor tells. Vox shows. Allastor never tells all.
15:15 I actually think he’ll be made of pure electricity, with some electric wires. He’s shown to be able to turn into pure electricity to travel trough modern devices.
I can see how his emotional depth and feeling of rejection (of which there seems to be enough proof going around to take for certain) whether romantic or just friendly can push him into a more serious, dark side and manifest some hidden strength (he DID cause a blackout through just a temper tantrum, and the way he uses the watch that Pentious had during that little infiltration stuff shows that he may have access to the most modern tech in Hell bar none, even Pentious - but he is too focused on getting views and validation to see his actual strong sides. Its possible that Alastor is actually the source of him always seeking validation and being so focused on the audience, given that Alastor must have been his mentor at some point, and he can be very cruel if he wants to, so imo he steered his mentoring to mould Vox into the most entertaining news outlet for him (and he loves personal failings) However, I also feel that whatever was to be said about Vox has already been said, and he is simply not threatening enough compared to other big bads (Roo, Lute) that are guaranteed to show up in season 2. I feel that if anything will include Vox, he will remain a secondary character, and his powers and hidden potential will most likely include him being pushed to action by other Vees, or the other way around.
I figure he'll remain a background villian through most of the series while bigger bads like Lilith and Roo take center stage. He'll remain a side-show.
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I really hope that after the Vees inevitably get defeated after season 2 they still stick around and maybe even become a sort of team rocket type of squad (ie. not really a serious threat anymore, but occasionally comes in to cause a bit of conflict). Like I know everyone wants to see Val die, and there is a high likelihood that at least one of them are going to die next season given what happened to Adam, but I really like what they bring to the show as a group and I’d rather them to at least chill in the background after their major antagonistic role in season 2 (like definitely have them get their asses handed to them, just not in a “they are now out of the show for good” kind of way). Idk I just feel like we’ve known about these 3 for years and now that we are finally getting them in the show it’d be a bit of a waste to completely get rid of them after only 2 seasons when Hazbin is clearly wanting to go on for much longer. But then again, this could just be me being obsessed with this silly evil tv-man since the moment he was shown for a split second in the pilot lol
The thing is they could die AND still stick around. Only angelic weapons officially kill demons for good, as Vel mentions in their first appearance, they just get 'put back together' otherwise. That could actually be a funny way of giving them their karma, just getting killed over and over in absurd grizzly ways the same way Wile E Coyote keeps falling off cliffs and only has a bruised ego to show for it.
@@e-122psi3 okay I’ve never actually thought about something like that happening and now this is exactly how I want them to be portrayed for the rest of the series. Thank you, this is now my new favourite headcanon💜
@@yogurt2831 I actually LOVE the idea of Niffty becoming obsessed with stabbing that 'mother bug' Valentino and her getting increasingly played as this horror movie arch enemy for him. They've already hinted that Val knows Niffty is bad for his well being. XD
Great vid! Vox is my favourite character and I love the stuff you picked up on! Editing is awesome, too, I'd usually put this kinda thing on in the background but I watched it all the way through!
Another wonderful vid about Hazbin! You just keep delivering with these, dude. And, well, yeah! I can agree with your thoughts, and I am also a bit of a Vox fan myself, either due to how entertaining he is, the fact that he checks all of my personal boxes, or both, or even something completely else. As always, thanks for the good stuff! Love ya, dude. :]
Idk if you’ll see this, but if you do… I have a slight disagreement that I think could make for a really interesting storyline. I think Vox was a fan - and perhaps a peer - of Alastor *on earth*. Everyone focuses on when someone died for their “era”, but Vox and Alastor are canonically about the same age; they were both born in the first decade of the 1900’s. Alastor worked in radio and, I believe, it is reasonable to suspect that Vox did the same. They would have been around the same age in the 1920’s and 1930’s and it is reasonable to presume that Vox participated in radio teleplays and news shows at that time. Alastor died while television was just beginning to bud as a new technology and viewed it as a passing fad; maybe his fellow radio personality, Vox, even agreed with him at the time. Alastor then died and Vox moved forward, being able to see the advantages of pursuing a career that crossed into television. He then dies 20 years later and, having had the benefit of living those extra years, believes himself to be extending an opportunity to his fellow performer. Alastor, having failed to see the golden age of television, sees no use in joining his former classmate, coworker, junior executive - whatever Vox was to him on Earth - in this flight of fancy. Vox having feelings for Alastor makes sense with his gross overreaction to being turned down for business partnership that was meant to be a stand-in for a relationship.
One thing I find interesting is his powerset. First, the obvious hypnosis. That always makes a good villain power, and his in particular just looks cool! Second, teleportation. We never see him actually use it to any real affect, but we don't know he CAN'T. Third, self-duplication. This one might be less obvious if you interpret the songs as not in-universe, but even if you do, the parts of Stayed Gone where he's shown as on a TV probably are In-universe, and there are two Voxes in one of those. What's interesting is the only other characters we see multiple of (not counting still images) at once in any musical number are angellic (Lucifer and, to a lesser extent since the clones are imperfect, Lute or some other exorcist). However, there's another explanation. What if Vox was able to survive Alastor because the Vox we see is only one body in a thousands, even millions strong hive mind of mass-produced TV-headed vessels for a single soul? Or, in a much more pathetic, but equally interesting direction, maybe the Vox we see now isn't the original, and he's so scared of Alastor because he's seen countless previous Voxes be replaced, and he's scared he's next. Who knows, maybe these obsolete Voxes might be allies to the heroes eventually! But even with all this, he's not the most interesting Vee to me. Velvette is. We see A LOT less of her than the other two. If I'm not mistaken (which I could be), she's the only one of them whose powers are still a mystery, except projecting images behind her. However, she's apparently "The backbone of the Vees" if she can be believed as not just boasting there, and at the very least she's as strong as Val, considering the "powerless" comment aimed at Vox in Stayed Gone. It's practically impossible for me not to be at least a little curious about what she's capable of, especially considering her design is very much the odd one out in the group, looking much more human and having a different color scheme than the other two.
10:35 even vox's part proves that lol. every few lines he would switch formats to keep the viewers entertained. like first he was hosting a news broadcast, then he started hosting a talk show. then after that an obey & pay? 😭THEN after that he was like on those travelling, vacation shows things and then finally a cooking show.. 5 formats in 1 part that ends after 1 minute and 27 seconds into the song? clearly insecure 😭
What I wanna see is finding out that the battle between Alastor and Vox was actually Alastor sacrificing himself (unbeknownst to Vox at the time) in order to satisfy some requirement for Vox to become part of the "V" 's - perhaps a requirement of killing an overlord to which Alastor understands his new buddy and protege' isn't up for and deliberately picks a fight with him to protect him... It would be a great twist to leverage a Vox Redemption arc
Bro, this is only my second video ever watched on ur channel, HOW ARE YOUR THEORIES THIS GOOD?! The amount of thought in terms of what's cannon, character dynamics, and unused lore is incredible! Keep up the good work!
"now his medium is getting bloody rare" is awesome wordplay, and I will not tolerate this slander. *continues to watch*
Me:
I'm obsessed with this lyric
Its fucking genius
I only like "the tales about your lofty dreams" and "your a fucked up little whiny bitch" more than that lyric
all the modern visual media are using the frequencies formerly allocated for radio broadcasting, it's all radio.. even when it used to be television, it's still in the band width we marked frequency modualtion. i'm next to a localized transmitter right now. 🤔
I don't think Alastor told him that this partnership was just mere entertainment. A fan theorized that yes, Vox confessed his feelings to Alastor, but Alastor told him no because he is canonically aroace. He doesn't like him like that.
Remember that creepy fan of Fizzarolli from the Mammon episode on Helluva Boss? How he became an obsessive hater after Fizz rejected him? I think that's Vox. He's upset that he can't get in a relationship with Alastor, so he obsessively hates him.
Yeah I could buy into the idea that Alastor liked Vox originally, but the same way he likes Rosie or Niffty or possibly Charlie. Alastor's fine making casual friends, but sees himself above overaffectionate bonds, to the point of a survival tactic, he HATES the idea in the finale song because he wants to be associated as an all-powerful loner that needs no one.
I definitely buy into the idea that Vox had WAY more for Alastor and he just matter of fact rejected him, though likely more in a "Nothing personal, old boy, but I'm just not like that" sort of way. I think if anything that would ADD to Vox's scorn, that Alastor was not even hateful about it, just indifferent, or at least presented himself as such, and possibly didn't even expect Vox to take it bad. Them being close didn't even pass his mind.
Hell maybe that's what Alastor thought was 'asked me to join his team', he doesn't understand Vox's request properly, thinking it was a mere business opportunity. They just DON'T understand each other.
@@e-122psi3well of vox did confess to him then alister would probably try to say he’s into women (literally that what vizzy said about him that he just doesn’t think he found his type yet even though he’s ace)
I do genuinely like the idea! Being salty after someone hurt you- but legit love the way Finn put it-
-He's only ace said by Vivzie, popular headcanon isn't canon ya'll..
Yes like I said before. But really, he is a hidden demisexual like me. Remember, he loves women more but prefers to be asexual or demi--depends on how you want to write him. Viv was right. He really is a demi like me. Alastor is a great hunting buddy though....
When Vox is glitching out you can see video-test color bars flash onscreen, most of them are the regular rainbow colors. But when Alastor reveals he said no to their partnership, Vox glitches out again and you can see the rainbow changes to the Bisexual Flag.
So yeah, He definitely took the rejection very personally.
Oh my god it does, that’s amazing
Also, when the error text pops up, it tells a huge reason on why shutting down is caused by "alastor.exe"
Confirmed, it's Bi flag, for like, one hard to catch frame.
No, it doesn't? I went and looked frame by frame on YT. It's just a rainbow. lol
@@Bloomkyaaa You're looking through the wrong frames, then, 'cause I'm certain they're there. It's, in the original song, "You old timey PRICK!" when he stands and his head cocks to the side(s).
Even if the rainbow is all you see, here's the thing: that's not the typical TV color test. The blue, purple and pink were close to eachother like the said bi flag.
When it comes to the villains of the show, Vox was my favorite of the three Vee’s. His personality was sm fun, I liked his design, I like his abilities, his relationship with Alastor is so entertaining, his va does a great job, and his musical moments are some of my favorites of the show. I can’t wait to see more of him in season 2. It’s just a fun time watching vintage vs modern being represented with the clash of Alastor vs Vox.
Same
I'm in love with vox design and original character
It's just perfect
alright but i genuinely want Vox to properly get pissed off at Alastor, not for rejecting him, not for leaving but for immediately replacing him. Call it my need for more Vox lore but just imagine the situation! You gain feelings for a friend, you confess and not only do they reject you, not only do they laugh at you or degrade you or whatever but they LEAVE for 7 YEARS only to replace you as soon as they get back but that's just my little Vox hyperfixation talking :3
The one thing that really reinforces my personal belief on how Vox and Alastor’s friendship fell apart is Alastor’s line in the first episode about radio being “the _proper_ medium to express oneself,” suggesting a degree of artistic integrity. And consider the fact that Alastor allowed his visage to show up on film when he and Vox took that picture. Alastor! The Radio Demon! And he allowed his picture to be taken alongside Vox! I think their friendship at least was honestly genuine. For a while, at least.
So here’s my take:
However it was that Vox and Alastor came to be close, it was always “chasing the next big thing” for Vox. Al, however, is a man of firm principles. He doesn’t turn his back on what has gotten him to where he is, unlike Vox, whose compulsion to jump onto new trends goes past innovation into a lack of commitment (at least to someone as old-fashioned as Alastor). There is no doubt in my mind that Vox had a thing for Al, but I don’t think he ever got as far as actually confessing his feelings (though I can attest that getting shut down before you can properly confess still hurts A LOT).
Anyway, my guess is that while Vox worked to expand his influence, Alastor simply couldn’t help noticing they were drifting apart and going down different paths (way easier for his asexual ass to notice than the probably otherwise super obvious signs of Vox’s crush on him). Vox asking for a formal upgrade to their partnership was just the final nail in the coffin. Al had too much pride in himself and his work, and was downright offended by Vox more-or-less asking him to sell out. Rather than compromise his artistic integrity to the commercialization Vox was embracing, Al flatly refused, cut ties, and made it *very* clear that they couldn’t be friends anymore.
Alastor moved on with his afterlife (minus his one male friend) and Vox didn’t.
Who's the one man friend?
@@user-nm1lx8qb3u …Vox.
Look, I (and many others) just can’t help noticing that almost all the people with whom Al seems close enough to honestly consider his friends (Rosie, Mimzy, _maybe_ Charlie, and he even has a way better relationship with Niffty than with Husk) are women. That’s the only reason I mentioned it: Vox _was_ his *one* male friend, but, well, they’re sure not friends anymore, are they?
@@HannahBanina oooh! Okay. Cause after Alastor cut off from Vox, I couldn't think of anyone else.😅(Besides maybe Zestial, but that's more along the lines of RESPECT rather than friendship.) (See what I did there?)😉
I wonder if Valentino played a part in the falling out between Vox and Alastor. We see Vox in his original big TV box state in 2 separate pictures, one with Alastor and one with Valentino.
What if in meeting Valentino, someone who was very knowledgeable of the popular entertainment trends of the 70s, he met someone who was more interested in his ideas than Alastor showed. Plus, given how Valentino slyly drops the bombshell news of Alastor’s return on Vox, reminding Vox that Alastor almost beat him during their battle, and subtly encourages Vox to send a message to Alastor that he’s in charge now, it makes me wonder if Valentino purposely helped deepen the rift between Vox and Alastor.
And going with your theory, maybe Alastor immediately disliked Valentino, including all he stood for, and was disappointed to see Vox align with Valentino and becoming a different person than the man he once called “pal.”
Alistor is likely fine with photography since it predates radio and is a form of static artistry much like painting.
Even with minimal screentime, we see that Vox is probably the most self destructive villain after Adam. His temper tantrum fuelled feud with Alastor just constantly backfires on him and gives Alastor more fuel for his fire. He makes a big deal about....what not a big deal Alastor is after finding out he's back on public TV and Alastor siezes the chance to ridicule him back, making obvious to everyone who has the high ground. Then he sends Sir Pentious to spy on Alastor, and cruelly dismisses him when he doesn't do a good enough job, leading Charlie to take Sir Pentious in anyway. Sir Pentious and his Egg Bois end up the spanner in the works for the Extermination, the hotel is saved, and Alastor gets his deal with Charlie that Vox dreaded. I have a feeling that sinners being proved redeemable might end up a thorn in the Vees' plans later on as well with less souls to prey on, which will also be all on Vox for sending Hazbin their first successful client.
The Overlord meeting implies most high powers were indifferent to Alastor. Had Vox simply kept his cool about Alastor, he wouldn't have looked like the big cheese again, he wouldn't have got his deal with the Princess of Hell, and his business likely would have been swiftly obliterated and forgotten about during the Extermination, rather than given all the support beams it needed. I get the feeling as the series goes on, Alastor won't be proven Vox's worst enemy, VOX will be.
I feel like we might see a Vox redemption arc but idk - his connection with val, and knowing what Val does and can do with his venom... there's gotta be some power play.
@@beanieful204 His connection with Val seem to be mostly pragmatic as porn thing that will always sell, the same with Velvette, however it is clear and even dirrectly said that Val is too emotional, wrathful and rash to be sucessful and the only thing preventing him from being simply a pimp is the fact that Vox is able to keep him in line and calm him down, while Val needs Vox to be a powerful player Vox doesn't need him, he will lose influence, but still news are very powerful medium and even without porn industry he can make it work.
I mean Alastor is Ace... It could just as likely be that Vox pushed his boundaries. Alastor posed for a picture with Vox, something I can't see him doing unless he did care about the guy, just not in the way Vox wanted him to.
Alastor probably Did laugh, but in a way that was meant to give Vox an out. "Haha! What a grand joke, my friend! I think you've been watching too many of your own melodramas!" Confronted with those kinds of feelings, I could see Alastor try to backpedal Fast.
There's not a lot of friendships that can come back from that kind of confession, especially if it's literally never going to happen on one end.
I have a theory that the confession wasn't even the cause of the fight, but an inciting incident that festered over time until they actually hated each other.
Vox really treats Alastor like an Ex, but Alastor addresses him with epithets like: Old Pal.
I also think the old vs new tech is just an exaggerated aspect of their personal vendettas. Alastor does know modern lingo, and how to legitimately edit video (learned from Vox?) he's just Petty. So, so Petty.
Alastor sure had a fun time editing that promo video for the hotel! Just look at all the sarcastic shots and texts in the video, he knew what he was doing and was probably laughing his ass off at how pathetic he made the hotel look lmao
It is really interesting how Vox is weirdly set up as ironically more sympathetic than Alastor despite the former being billed as a major antagonist.
Really goes to show you how evil Alastor is.
Part of it is because we can all relate to the general frustration and such that Vox has. He’s shown in a light of not being a villain, and is actively given ways out when presented _as_ a villain moment to moment. (If you’ve ever had a really bad day of fighting with tech support while also in IT yourself, you completely understand how both wrong but tooth grindingly tempting Vox’s “I’ll send up the lowest earners” line is. Yeah, it’s horrific, but you also might want to kick some teeth in after being given the run around by someone all day and told the thing that is actively wrong on the computer is not really what is going on and you’re just an idiot.)
Alastor isn’t given the same amount of emotional depth for several reasons, the biggest being that he doesn’t ever drop the mask around the audience either until his part in the finale. Then he’s mask off and completely crumbling. I’ve had to repeatedly remind myself that this is a musical theater thing and that I’m (historical fiction writer) going to be crushed if I expect Hazbin to fix their magic system that they accidentally over did by not realizing that the moment Vox started building his empire during those seven years Alastor was gone, based on the song, and that even with no love lost between the two, Vox went against logic and his character and made everything wireless. Which if he actually were making his empire and the switch to video while he and Alastor weren’t speaking/Alastor had poofed and couldn’t hold his own iron grip on Hell, Vox /never/ would have moved off of fiber optic cables. WiFi could be high jacked by Alastor, any wireless modem would be laid out and overheated and fried by the Radio Demon.
And because so much of Alastor’s character is hidden behind the persona of the Radio Demon, and when that isn’t his ‘on’ he’s ’on’ in his Host persona (you can watch him flip back and forth around Lucifer and then as he manipulates Charlie right into his open hand when they make their deal in episode 7). Vox is sympathetic, because we do get to see the real Vox. I think we only get to see the real Alastor, aside from when he’s scrambling and having a breakdown in his tower, briefly when he really thinks he’s _that good_ that he doesn’t need an angelic steel weapon to take out Adam. That he’s strong enough to rival Lucifer, to be a soul who has taken charge of his own fate. That is who Alastor _desperately_ wants to be. He _idolizes_ this… person who is feared, or loved, he doesn’t care, but who is respected and seen as amazing and can do whatever they want, however they want. He idolizes a thing that doesn’t exist, and might exist if he could get out of his own way long enough to realize if he wants to have that freedom he needs to not care who has what power and be willing to walk away from _everything_ . Wanting power, and constantly trying to get it as a misguided way to be ‘free’ so he commits atrocities instead, is why he’s evil, and why he’s so… annoying? Like I love Al, and I dislike fannon Al, but there is a large part of me that has spent five years with a different version of the Radio Demon than either of them, and canon Al needs A) someone to smack him in the head with his micstaff, just bonk, right between the antlers, and B) a personal assistant who knows how proud he is and knows that the idiot didn’t take an angelic steel weapon on purpose and still chooses to make sure he has a revolver and a hunting knife on him.
The worst that happens if Alastor is shown having supports (notice how both of his lackies in Husk and Niffty either hate him, or aren’t capable of the foresight to realize that he’s going to go off half cocked into battle) is he’s depicted as less evil, and his threat value is lessened, the way Vox’s is. For that matter, I’m sure Rosie didn’t pester him because she probably doesn’t realize, even though she clearly has known Al for decades, that Alastor was too proud to bother to make sure he didn’t get himself iced. It wasn’t like he went to fight angels with his proper weapons he used as a human as his fallback. He didn’t take them _at all_ so when he needed to not get got, he had to scamper off.
In defence of Alastor I think he is still a bit unfamiliar with what his deal actually does to him. Just based on how surprised he was when Adam broke his mic with one hit I think at his full power he would have actually been able to hold him off for a significant amount of time though not necessarily be able to kill him.
Beyond that his oldest friends (Rosie and Mimzy) insist that aside form the murdering he is a good and even sweet guy for the most part. I don’t think he is really supposed to be evil, more of a wild animal backed into a corner. Though he does lack empathy in general which can be interpreted as being outright evil.
@@Damned_afterall oh trust me, aside from his ego needing to be checked, (I really, really, _really_ want to take his micstaff and just **bonk** right between the antlers), I _adore_ Alastor. I’m more than fine to give him that pass for the (admittedly) larger sin of the eating of people, mostly because I’ve assumed he’s been strong armed into it-and once someone is in Hell I don’t even see an issue with it since aside from “is a Sinner demon by species” it’s just way too complicated for me to get my morality tangled in it.
As far as his fight with Adam… Al still needs a personal assistant. Or _someone_ who is with it enough and cares about him enough that they will like duct tape an angelic steel blade to his tailcoat so he can’t just ditch the weapon to “prove” he’s so strong that he did the impossible (defeated the leader of the angelic army without angelic powers/metal). (This also gets back to bonking him over the head with his own mic. He needs _someone_ to call him out on his stupidity and ego.)
Also, _apparently_ Alastor finding his various ‘work’ he did while human to be not unpleasant and to vaguely enjoy it, and find some sport in it, is a bad thing. Which I personally don’t follow, especially since it’s being argued over if part of what makes Adam’s exterminations more wrong is he sees it as sport and as entertainment. I think Adam is in the wrong because he blanket statemented all Sinners, when he is First Man, and basically hasn’t had anyone come along and corrected his jerk behaviors and told him to not be this selfish, ego, frat boy who embodies the seven deadly sins and needs to mature over the last 10k years into being a proper First Man and father to all of humanity. I don’t actually think Adam is wrong for enjoying hunting demons down. I’m almost positive that certain demons, exactly like the ones Alastor targeted while alive, are probably repeatedly targeted by other demons, including Alastor, and routinely ripped apart and forced to reform over and over again after they’re eaten/taken out.
I agree about him being a wild animal, but it’s heavily implied that his deal has been around since he Fell/started taking over Hell by taking down Overlords. And that it isn’t new. I do think he’s not had to test it in battle and that he wrongly thought he was strong enough (for whatever reason his ego got that out of hand) to potentially take on Lucifer since he was more than willing to nettle him in Dad Beat Dad.
There both are evil but I be honest I glad alstor rival is very entertaining meaning both are great cartors it great when chators are foils
I am kinda hoping for a plot twist where alastor betrays Charlie while vox becomes the new ‘alastor’ and takes over his tasks while supporting Charlie but that’s just my hopes
About your question at 14:11, I think he's specifically referring to two overlords in particular: Rosie and Carmilla. Rosie lost hundreds or maybe even thousands of followers from the Cannibal Colony at the hotel during the big battle, greatly reducing her pool of manpower and possibly costing her some of her demonic power depending on how many of their souls she owned. Carmilla meanwhile provided weapons made of angelic steel for all those cannibals at either a greatly reduced price or even for free, and any weapons that the surviving cannibals didn't take with them would've almost certainly been scavenged from the battlefield by thieves in the aftermath of the fight. All-in-all, both overlords will most likely be in a much weaker position come the second season, and will almost certainly be the first on the Vee's hit-list before Alastor's return.
I never thought of it that way before you are a genius
@@owlishwillow7242Thanks, but I actually saw all that in another comment that I think got deleted.
@@IanPendleton-gh6oxthan that’s why this one was made
Rosie may have lost canibals (though they may take the view that a lost canibal is a found dinner) and Carmilla might have lost some weapons, but both gained a very powerful alies in the form of Charlie Morningstar and a newly reinvigorated Luficer Morningstar, as well eas each other. That aside, Carmilla appears to be very close friends with Zestiel, and he seems to be even more feared than Alastor.
Pretty sure none of them need to worry about being physically attacked by the Vees. A more subtle concern might be Vox setting up a rival organisatrion to the hotel, offering Sinners an easier path to redemption that involves giving Vox money rather than actually changing themselves. Or the dangers involved in Charlie needing the Vees to take her ideas to the next level...
@@anticarrrot well the Vees are very eager and pretentious
So what I'm hearing is.. radiosilence? 👀
But genuinely, Vox is one of my favorite characters from the series and I'm super excited to see more of him in season 2
At least he didn’t pull out the card :P
One detail I noticed after watching a different analysis is how Vox has a habit of explaining his jokes, almost like he wants us to stay invested.
In stayed gone, when he does the lyric “the demon is a coward” and cosplay’s a priest, he immediately uses the word gospel and later he cosplays like he’s on a vacation and uses the line “Vacay”, like he’s going “do you get it, do you get the joke”. And later he, when he has a deer 🦌 head on a plate, he uses double meaning for Bloody Rare and uses the prong to point at it, trying to have the audience laugh at his jokes.
In short, like modern television he is very self conscious and NEEDS the audience to stay here watching him
Equal part egomaniac and insecure, so he desperately makes sure he's involved in everything and in the hearts and minds of his his audiance. Whatever happened to him that made him this must've cut so deep he never wants it to happen again.
With the gospel and vacation stuff, I don't think that's a good example of him being insecure about his jokes, because the jokes actually don't work if you just have the costume and not the lyric, or vice versa. But the bloody rare thing is definitely an example of that, really good hc/observation on your part.
bro radio has died and is never coming back
This somehow reminds me of my bestie's red flag bf who makes it very obvious when he's trying to think of a joke thats "funny", idrk how to explain it but it's _really_ annoying.
@@kemi_smithalso in the "I'm the backbone of the vees" lyric, there's an ad on the top left of vox bring dressed in a mailman costume with the text "voxtek delivers instantly now" (or smth like that)
He loves his cosplays
Honestly, I could go on an hour long rant about Vox and his connections with Alastor, but the most meaningful one I’ve noticed has got to be the twos outfits. Both wear suits, bowties, have the same shoe style, and, while not necessarily an outfit choice, they also share the claws at the end of their fingers. The reason this intrigues me is that we explicitly see from the old photo of Vox and Valentino that Vox did not always dress this way! He originally wore something much more unique, a blazer and turtle neck without any bowtie or old timey top hat (also an outfit more up-to-date than his current). For a man who does his best to keep up with the times to be wearing an outfit that utilizes mostly old fashion trends and also heavily resemble someone whom he claims to hate… there’s just no way it’s a coincidence lol.
We don’t know when Vox had this outfit change but both major options are exciting to me. Either he changed before his falling out with Alastor, (maybe thinking that mirroring his image would project himself as someone with equal strength) or he did it after he had already been rejected. In the former, he refuses to change his new outfit due to possibly attachment? Maybe he views changing it as a way of letting Alastor win. The latter option, however, it implies that Vox reveres Alastor’s image to such a degree that he changed himself to match even after Vox knew Alastor wanted nothing to do with him. Maybe he wants to own it better than Al or maybe he didn’t believe his old outfit projected the image he wanted for himself.
Idk, I’ll probably start to ramble about nothing if I keep going, but I’d love to hear if anyone else’s opinion on what the outfit change could mean.
I agree with your insight on the similar outfits for Vox and Alastor. Another possible reason Vox wears his outfit this way is his thinking that if he can’t have Alastor, he’ll be Alastor but better. It’s like how a victim of a bully gradually emulates their bully in appearance or mannerisms, as their way of getting back at that bully (ex. an unpopular kid bullied by a popular kid becoming a popular kid that bullied others too).
I’ve heard of how they resemble each other in their outfits but this take is new to me.
I do agree on this, but perhaps he isn’t even really aware of his Alastor obsession? With his outfit too, maybe he convinced himself that it has nothing to do with Al and that’s why continues to wear it? Idk maybe I’m talking nonsense.
I love your editing style. It's JUST the right balance of entertainingly fast without being so fast as to being incoherent. Also the use of the instrumental of Video Killed The Radio Star is perfect.
I AGREE 100%
Glad I wasn't the only one who noticed that instrumental, such a funny little detail.
it's like old game theory, really nice:)
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it’s like the matpat theory channels and i love it
im looking forward to learning more about vox ngl he doesnt strike me as a going to remain a villain type of character
i could be wrong but hope im not lol
@@snonyabeeswaxman, if vox is not gonna remain a villain, im excited to see how it plans out
Vox starting off a down and out makes a compelling dynamic since it makes Vox a dark mirror to Sir Pentious. You take a look at such an evolution and how blatantly bad he took Alastor's rejection, it feels like Vox didn't just want power, he wanted approval and companionship, something he still technically got but from equally toxic people like Val and Vel. It feels like ultimately Vox needed a Charlie at that low point in his (after)life who shown him proper compassion and put him on the right path. The fact he failed to be that to Sir Pentious himself also shows just how far gone he is by now.
Taken further if Vox really did have a tragically rejected confession. Sir Pentious confessed to Cherri Bomb, but with no regrets and not even asking if she felt the same way, he was fine dying with that declaration of love with nothing in return. Vox's love was his start to darkness, Pentious' love was his start to heroism.
That’s such a good comparison and honestly ,the more I think about it, the more I’m fairly certain that’s what was intended. Another connection between the two is their similar power sets and abilities. Vox is a media demon who sells electronics to hell and has hypnosis powers activated by his eye. Sir pentious literally gets his appearance from the adage “snake oils salesman” and is also shown being quite the inventor himself. He also uses some kind of hypnotic ability on Angel during their fight, though it way less effective than Vox’s. Sir Pentious may be what Vox would have been like if he failed to succeed. Probably something along the lines of “absolute power corrupts absolutely”
@@CursusCida Sir Pentious even makes his own rendition of Vox's surveillance tech so he could command the battle in the finale. They also target Alastor for clout, though Pentious settles for being an ally on Alastor and Charlie's terms afterward, something Alastor is sure to mock Vox over since it was pretty much all his doing in the first place.
Even more fittingly, while Alastor is more 'old timey' than Vox, Sir Pentious goes FURTHER back into Victorian steampunk type industry.
Vox is the same guy who got everything he wanted. Pentious is the same guy who got everything he NEEDED.
@@e-122psi3also don’t forget that it’s implied sir pentious was a mad scientist when he was alive and actually wanted attention at what most scientists do and really he was a good antisocial boy who may have went to hell due to petty pranks on those that look down at him (reason for why he has eyes all round his body as it means that people judge him) and may have accidentally killed people as cannon fodder when one of his inventions went wrong killing him as well and leading him to hell
They even share a similar color scheme, with Pentious being a warmer character of Yellows, Reds, and Black while Vox is a colder character of Blues, Reds, and Black.
Heck, when Vox realizes who he could use as a spy for the Hotel, two of his sharks circle his head to recreate a dark reflection of Sir Pentious’ hood
@@boltindie9011 I like how he contrasts both Alastor and Vox in terms of his arc. Alastor is completely adverse to any change of style or personality, while Vox continuously changes himself at the cost of his integrity. Pentious meanwhile, despite being from an even older time period than either of them, took a more healthy approach to change, becoming a better kinder version of himself. I think him inventing a similar device to Vox's while still using his usual cannons and battleships with the same angelic steel upgrade the others got in the finale also shows he's able to upgrade his ability set without losing his own trademark.
The next fight between them is going to be interesting. After actually being critically injured by Adam, Alastor is going to be extremely careful in any fight he has afterwards. Husk tried to warn him that since he’s been gone for seven years other demons might think he fell off and after losing his fight with Adam other demons might come for him. Alastor has a target on his back now and you know what they say about cornered animals.
Wait, when did he warn him? 😳
I agree with all your points in this video whole heartedly, EXCEPT I don't think the "powerless without the other Vees" statement is necessarily true. Partially because Velvette probably wasn't even CLOSE to being in the picture during Al and Vox's initial fallout(she died in like the 2010s or smthn I think?), and partially because, while again I agree with all your points abt Vox being deeply pathetic(rip Vox), he is like. A GENUINELY capable business man. Working w/ Alastor in whatever capacity he did definitely gave him a boost in the rankings, but he's still skilled on his own. I think all of the Vees could be relatively powerful overlords on their own, but know that they're stronger together and that's why they stick together. Also the other Vees agreeing w/ Al in Stayed Gone could literally just be them being egotistical fucks lmao.
ALSO to get into some overanalysis of Alastor, that line could mean that he genuinely thinks somebody who would willingly share any amount of power with anybody else is inherently weak on their own. That man has worked SO HARD to keep himself Without Attatchment, hell a big part of his breakdown in Finale was literally "I've gotten too close to these people and it's making me WEAK", so we already know he views personal relationships as some kind of weakness. He's so allergic to emotional intimacy it's actually kind of funny. Anyways, Al saying "he'd be powerless without the other Vees" might be more of an insight into HIS psyche then it is Vox's.
Again, great video, amazing points, I just think Vox is more capable rhen... tbh a lot of ppl in the fandom give him credit for-
Also I got so hyped when I saw the clip from WOY ejfnckskfkwkdn
That's a great point about how Alastor might see supporting and being supported by others as being inherently weak.
@@emilyrln thanks! I have a LOT of thoughts abt Alastor's emotional constipation lmao. I want that man under a microscope NOW!!!
YES! I think Vox is extremely capable and charismatic. Alastor is just his weakness, his Achilles heel, which makes their dynamic and Vox's breakdown in Stayed Gone even more exciting and rich.
@@ms.dreavus2446 EXACTLY!!! Bro wouldve literally been COOKED by now if he wasn't at least KIND OF capable!
Yeah, it also keeps to the dynamic in the show of how much synergy and bonds are not just a big heart of the story, but make the characters EFFECTIVE. That they are good team players and bring out the best in one another. It is implied the head Overlords similarly work in a close unit and confide in each other, while the Hotel predictably becomes unstoppable as soon as they form bonds and are united in this goal. Compare to someone like Sera who's house of cards falls with a gust of wind due to barely keeping management with Adam or the rest of the Heaven, the whole Extermination was enabled because her system is barely operated chaos.
Even Alastor owes some of his power plays on the other Hazbin characters like Charlie or Frank, just likely under his belief, he isn't teaming up with them, he's WEAPONIZING them, he's a chessmaster using pawns, of course the finale shows Alastor breaking down and wondering whether this image is starting to crumble for 'altruism'.
the Vees are just hazbin hotel team rocket, and can't wait to watch them fail time and again in season 2
@@Nobodyfjdkdkfi Damn you did James dirty 😂
James is one of my favourite characters tbh he is funny
Why does Vox look so goofy with the old timey TV head. New sub bc of that
video killed the radiostar playing during the vox and alastor relationship segment made me so happy, this is my favorite video ever
Love me some radiosilence (one sided radiostatic)
Alastor watching TV is very inaccurate, not my Alistor
#NOTMYALASTOR
I feel this was way in the past and Alastor was playing with the remote, not knowing what it does
I'd call Alastor a boomer but that's inaccurate. He's a boomer's boomer
@redjirachi1 he's probably from the silent generation
@@redjirachi1 I think Alastor is probably part of the "Lost Generation" of people who grew up in the interwar period between WWI and WWII, but I may be misremembering.
Damn, the Alastor rejecting vox thing was brutal. If i was Vox i would hate Alastor too
Bro same, I not about to be disrespectful like that
True
my theory: so i don't think vox will die or anything in season2 cuz viv said the 3vees will have there own spinoff show at some point but im pretty sure that we will have like a really epic fight at the end or in some episode in season 2 also i think vox seems to have way more power then we have seen yet since hes a pretty powerful overlord
this is why I love one sided radiostatic* it's just too funny
*radiostatic is the ship name for Vox and Alastor and the one sided version entails that only vox loves al, but al doesn't love vox
15:34 THE VIDEO KILLED THE RADIO STAR PIANO COVER (?) IN THE BACKGROUND IS SUCH A FUNNY TOUCH I LOVE IT
Looking forward to the Vees being the main antagonists for S2, especially since Vivziepop said she wants to take her time building up Lilith.
What I think is cool is the amount of parallels in Alastor’s and Vox’s actions and designs that show there’s going to be a legitimate rivalry between the two. I can’t wait to see where this goes
17:38 - 17:57 really poured his heart and soul out 😭
I just wanna see this guy go absolute WILD, when S2 comes out, and go crazy if Vox gets character development, or Radiostatic's relationship gets leaked. Waiting for your masterbrain to make more after S2 man. Keep it up!
Vox is my favorite character :) Radiostatic is my jam lately, i loved how bored Vox was at the top of the world "hey hey hey eff my life" in the beginning but when he founds out that Alastor is back, he goes giddy spinning around his building singing a song and all that. Remember how the Hotel wanted to do a tv commercial because no one knew them? Vox, as the literal owner of all media, could have just ensured to sabotage "Alastor´s project" by not making any advertising of it such as raise the cost of ad prices, or put the commercial at a very bad hour, that would be the most logical evil thing to do but oh my god Vox does exactly the opposite and puts Alastor´s name on national tv for FREE, his obsession with the deer goes to self destructive limits XD he is his own enemy and he is so real for that, i love the TV guy, he is so cute and pathetic XD
I feel the "overlords hanging by a thread" line could be a reference to Alastor and Rosie. Alastor because he got injured and nearly died, and Rosie as she lost a butch of her souls in the battle.
I thought it was like the overlords were too conflicted to do anything against heaven before and now they'll be more conflicted so the vees could do what they want without having to worry about another overlord stopping them
@@Axel_Kasai AHHHH, YES, THAT IS SMART, I AGREE WITH THAT, YES
The subtle Max0r MGR reference for "why don't you back it up with a source" at 8:26 was great
Once again this is a great character analysis ! Voc has very interesting potential as both a villain but also a character as a whole. Considering Viv confirmed that the Vees will be the main antagonists of season 2, such development could very much happen.
I’m scared for Vox to be like the main antagonist for Season 2. I don’t want my man to die 😭😭😭
lmfao
It's so scary bc I feel like they're gonna dump a whole bunch of lore and then just kill off and forget him💔
@@thesillychro vivziepop wouldnt do that. That would just ruin the show.
No one said that would happen to every antagonist though I would love it if Nifty made Val a part of her collection that guy has everything bad that happens to him coming I would even tell Charlies father about the licking just to see him get completely destroyed.
@@Polstergeist2 dawg she absolutely would do that 💀
I will cry so much when he gets killed in the second season 😭 I hope they get a way around that and we will see more of him in future seasons
He most likely wont die being as though Vivzie Pop has stated that the V’s may get a spin off show so the chances of him dying are rather slim but it’s still a possibility
Got here quick as I could, vox is is interesting and wait until he reacts that Lucifer is alastor new rival or him getting along with sir pentious for both vox and pentious have one sided rivalry with alastor
Why did you type "is is"?
I think Vox comes off to me as a televangelist of sorts
I'm gonna be honest: Vox seems to be the most viable for redemption, and Alastor could possibly be his key like Cherri Bomb was for Sir Pentious.
vox is my favourite character. along With sir pentious and emily
And we know next to nothing about 2 of these characters 😭😭 how you coping with that 4 minute total combined screen time(NOT A PUN)?
emily is just a bundle of joy and vox sings more than both sir pentious and nifty
Vox and Sir Pentious are my favorite characters too! I've had people ask how I could like Vox after how he treated Pentious and it's just like 🤷♀ They're both fun characters
@@StarFireLiz It’s crazy because I’ve had someone tell me exactly what Vox told me but I still like him as a character
For me the indicators of his insecurities begin with his first phrase "where's he been, Who gives a shit!" Thanks to the tone and performance of the VA we can see that he is saying something along the lines of "Where has alastor been? Who cares? Right? RIGHT?! NOT ME! I SWEAR"
Also "Did anyone miss him did anyone notice?"
Dude, look at Vox’s error screen during his melt down in “stayed gone”. It basically says “if vox breaks, remove all near-by alastors and reboot.”
The humor in the Stayed gone overanalyzing was just ✨😭😭😭
Edit: Btw Thank you for the warning to trust new sources, I will always check other News websites too
I do like the idea of Vox trying to foster a parasocial relationship with the rest of hell while being the victim of one that he has focused upon Alastor.
Honestly, I love Vox! The design is fantastic, and I love his personality in the show.
After years of shitty watered down villains I'm pleasantly surprised by the 3 Vees, and yes, Vox is definitely my favourite.
Not gonna lie, I almost cried watching that. Like Vox really thought Al cared for him just to Laugh and disrespect my man Vox. That would hurt anyone. 17:59
I always interpreted the Lin about “overlords hanging by a thread” to be more metaphorical, like they were just very shaken up. I sort of inferred that since everyone in Hell was panicked, that the overlords just kinda threw their image to the wind, thinking they were all going to die, and half destroyed their image in an effort to protect themselves against the angels. So now that they’re left alive, they have to deal with the repercussions of their safety measures, and they’re all now exposed because people realize that they aren’t as powerful as everyone thought. Hence, “hanging by a thread.” But that’s just my interpretation.
I guess u could say that Alastor dealt Vox a mild case of Emotional Damage
Throws slipper to the ground.
💥💥💥💥EMOTIONAL. DAMAGE!💥💥💥💥
@@Nobodyfjdkdkfi
Vox: I will send u to Jesus
Wait a min
I'd like to see some ideas about so-called battle.
I know it was mentioned in Alastor video, but am still curious how (or why) did Vox win.
'Cause I've seen a lot barrade, telling that "Vox never won", "Alastor rail roaded him", but, like. Did he?
Upd.: About "coward" part, I think that might be genuine. If Alastor ran from the fight, like he did with Adam, Vox has every right to be angry about it.
I love Vox so much. (he and valentino were so cute in the finale even though I hate what val does) Good video! I love how brutal alastor in your version was!
also the fact that he is indiferent of the fact Velvete abuses her workers and valentino....sa
I mean, they're all in Hell for a reason.
mf this is HELL why would he care?
@@Polstergeist2 i mean it as of now seems to be a combination of hell and purgatory
@@firstgameplaygr8186 even though that may be true, Vox still manipulates and controls his costumers too. He wont care because that would just be hipocrisy.
Their Instagram implied that (probably no longer canon) but Valentino ALSO abuses Vox
I absolutely love your editing style and the comparisons you make as well as your attention to details!
Like a real TV, Vox is complex and is going to blow up any second! I cannot wait to see if Vox does have this grand potential.
I just realized something... The Deal Alastor did with whoever is in possession of his soul. Was about defeating Vox. Perhaps he bet he could take him over easily, and when this didn't happened. He became property. That's why his absence not only coincides with Lilith's disappearance but also his battle with Vox.
According to Vivziepop, Vox and Alastor do not get along due to their opposing views on technology, with Alastor disliking anything invented after he died in the 1930s, and Vox embracing new technology.
Faustisse described Vox as having something of a fixation on Alastor and that he is interested in having Alastor notice him. Alastor does not have the same interest in return.
Vox honestly is just a better person than Alastor.
He and the Vees wanted to fight the Angels while the other Overlords ignored them,
only for the Hotel Crew to fight them anyways and then be praised for it.
...Well, I think it's safe to assume he's into the radiosilence ship
"I'm thinking omega flowey from undertale" Lmao
But why does fit him tho?
I really like this theory. It goes well with the fact Vox is a tv, and what are tvs for? Entertainment. The idea of alastor simply hyping him up for the sake of enjoying watching his failures and Vox forming an actual bond with him makes so much sense. It would mean everything Vox looked up to for YEARS would be a complete lie, and it makes sense why he would then grow a literal “thing” for alastor just having the slightest inconvenience happen to him.
0:38 FINALLY! Somebody brings up the similarities between these two!
I did not expect to fall in love with this stupid, pathetic, skinny television man the way I did. I am so incredibly excited for him to be the main villain in season 2, for all of the reasons you mentioned! Him having this tragic backstory with Alastor is so deliciously messy and layered. (Also kudos for using Pokemon Colosseum music in the background; clearly you are a person of fine taste.)
Vox was actually the character I wanted to see most when the series first dropped as his design is absolutely amazing. Then after the show came out I loved him more than I thought I would, so if he does become the big bad for season 2 I would be so down for it.
Here’s another thing. Vox’s domain is video, but what does his name mean?
Voice.
Vox’s power is both an evolution and a dilution of Allastor’s
Think about it for a moment.
Allastor, the Radio Demon is the embodiment of early broadcast journalism. Audio only. He had to rely upon his words to stir the imagination of his subjects (listeners) he’s telling them how to think but he’s manipulating their imagination by letting them imagine.
Vox is telling people what to think…and showing images in the hopes of stifling their imagination.
Ever read a book, watch a movie based on that book, and complain about how the ‘movie didn’t (do this, that or the other thing) in the book?’ The book, like old radio programs, encourages the consumer to use their imagination; visual media reduces that.
Go back in broadcast history to one of the famous radio ‘reporters,’ Walter Winchell. He evolved from newspaper to radio. He also learned to master the art of knowing what to say, what not to say and when to choose between them. He could build or destroy someone with a few choice words.
That’s Allastor, just maybe not as affable as our lovable demon.
Vox is…similar. But he’s a modern commentator and relies on visuals to gloss over anything he lacks in vocal persuasiveness.
Allastor tells. Vox shows.
Allastor never tells all.
1:00 I was caught so off guard when the music randomly switched from Stayed Gone to Vivaldi's Spring
Me: So are you going to show how Valentino is more than he appe-
finnthepony: Oh no. No no no. With capital letters...NO
15:15 I actually think he’ll be made of pure electricity, with some electric wires. He’s shown to be able to turn into pure electricity to travel trough modern devices.
never leave youtube, I implore you
Vox's obsession definitely seems like the trait of a salty ex, I absolutely love Vox and I cant wait to hear more of his history with mr altruist
Dude! You hit this nail on the head!
Prediction: The Vees will be the villains for Season 2.
Vivzie said that they are going to be more focused in season 2
It was confirmed awhile ago.
Stopping kids from saying first
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You are basically doing the same thing as them
@@C.JistheB.O.A.T I'm trying to stop them I don't even want likes or anything I just thought it would be fun because I stumbled here first
@@Not_simping_for_blitzøBut u weren’t first tho
It’s so cool to see how different people have vastly different favorite characters and songs. It’s just inspiring.
I can see how his emotional depth and feeling of rejection (of which there seems to be enough proof going around to take for certain) whether romantic or just friendly can push him into a more serious, dark side and manifest some hidden strength (he DID cause a blackout through just a temper tantrum, and the way he uses the watch that Pentious had during that little infiltration stuff shows that he may have access to the most modern tech in Hell bar none, even Pentious - but he is too focused on getting views and validation to see his actual strong sides.
Its possible that Alastor is actually the source of him always seeking validation and being so focused on the audience, given that Alastor must have been his mentor at some point, and he can be very cruel if he wants to, so imo he steered his mentoring to mould Vox into the most entertaining news outlet for him (and he loves personal failings)
However, I also feel that whatever was to be said about Vox has already been said, and he is simply not threatening enough compared to other big bads (Roo, Lute) that are guaranteed to show up in season 2. I feel that if anything will include Vox, he will remain a secondary character, and his powers and hidden potential will most likely include him being pushed to action by other Vees, or the other way around.
I figure he'll remain a background villian through most of the series while bigger bads like Lilith and Roo take center stage. He'll remain a side-show.
It's already been confirmed the Vees are the main bad guys in season 2
“VOX YOU DELUSIONAL GLORIFIED IPAD”
- Alastor
I love Vox, I agree he had some deep feelings for Alastor and was rejected
Love these videos so much. They bring me a lot of joy.
ur editing style is like cold water going through the wrinkles of my adhd brain /pos in the BEST WAY POSSIBLE
This is probably an unpopular opinion, but I really hope that after the Vees inevitably get defeated after season 2 they still stick around and maybe even become a sort of team rocket type of squad (ie. not really a serious threat anymore, but occasionally comes in to cause a bit of conflict).
Like I know everyone wants to see Val die, and there is a high likelihood that at least one of them are going to die next season given what happened to Adam, but I really like what they bring to the show as a group and I’d rather them to at least chill in the background after their major antagonistic role in season 2 (like definitely have them get their asses handed to them, just not in a “they are now out of the show for good” kind of way).
Idk I just feel like we’ve known about these 3 for years and now that we are finally getting them in the show it’d be a bit of a waste to completely get rid of them after only 2 seasons when Hazbin is clearly wanting to go on for much longer. But then again, this could just be me being obsessed with this silly evil tv-man since the moment he was shown for a split second in the pilot lol
The thing is they could die AND still stick around. Only angelic weapons officially kill demons for good, as Vel mentions in their first appearance, they just get 'put back together' otherwise. That could actually be a funny way of giving them their karma, just getting killed over and over in absurd grizzly ways the same way Wile E Coyote keeps falling off cliffs and only has a bruised ego to show for it.
@@e-122psi3 okay I’ve never actually thought about something like that happening and now this is exactly how I want them to be portrayed for the rest of the series. Thank you, this is now my new favourite headcanon💜
@@yogurt2831 I actually LOVE the idea of Niffty becoming obsessed with stabbing that 'mother bug' Valentino and her getting increasingly played as this horror movie arch enemy for him. They've already hinted that Val knows Niffty is bad for his well being. XD
@@e-122psi3 I need Val to stick around solely for him to be in constant fear of Niffty coming after him lol
Great vid! Vox is my favourite character and I love the stuff you picked up on! Editing is awesome, too, I'd usually put this kinda thing on in the background but I watched it all the way through!
💔 oh my heart, I'm sad to see the very potential heart break for my guy, Vox.
Man just needs a hug T-T
I can't wait for season 2
Another wonderful vid about Hazbin! You just keep delivering with these, dude.
And, well, yeah! I can agree with your thoughts, and I am also a bit of a Vox fan myself, either due to how entertaining he is, the fact that he checks all of my personal boxes, or both, or even something completely else.
As always, thanks for the good stuff! Love ya, dude. :]
I love the playful "video killed the radio star" piano piece in the background when you were talking about their past XD
Fucking lost it when 'video killed the radio star' started casualy playing in the background 🤣
Idk if you’ll see this, but if you do… I have a slight disagreement that I think could make for a really interesting storyline.
I think Vox was a fan - and perhaps a peer - of Alastor *on earth*. Everyone focuses on when someone died for their “era”, but Vox and Alastor are canonically about the same age; they were both born in the first decade of the 1900’s. Alastor worked in radio and, I believe, it is reasonable to suspect that Vox did the same. They would have been around the same age in the 1920’s and 1930’s and it is reasonable to presume that Vox participated in radio teleplays and news shows at that time. Alastor died while television was just beginning to bud as a new technology and viewed it as a passing fad; maybe his fellow radio personality, Vox, even agreed with him at the time. Alastor then died and Vox moved forward, being able to see the advantages of pursuing a career that crossed into television. He then dies 20 years later and, having had the benefit of living those extra years, believes himself to be extending an opportunity to his fellow performer. Alastor, having failed to see the golden age of television, sees no use in joining his former classmate, coworker, junior executive - whatever Vox was to him on Earth - in this flight of fancy.
Vox having feelings for Alastor makes sense with his gross overreaction to being turned down for business partnership that was meant to be a stand-in for a relationship.
One thing I find interesting is his powerset. First, the obvious hypnosis. That always makes a good villain power, and his in particular just looks cool! Second, teleportation. We never see him actually use it to any real affect, but we don't know he CAN'T. Third, self-duplication. This one might be less obvious if you interpret the songs as not in-universe, but even if you do, the parts of Stayed Gone where he's shown as on a TV probably are In-universe, and there are two Voxes in one of those. What's interesting is the only other characters we see multiple of (not counting still images) at once in any musical number are angellic (Lucifer and, to a lesser extent since the clones are imperfect, Lute or some other exorcist). However, there's another explanation. What if Vox was able to survive Alastor because the Vox we see is only one body in a thousands, even millions strong hive mind of mass-produced TV-headed vessels for a single soul? Or, in a much more pathetic, but equally interesting direction, maybe the Vox we see now isn't the original, and he's so scared of Alastor because he's seen countless previous Voxes be replaced, and he's scared he's next. Who knows, maybe these obsolete Voxes might be allies to the heroes eventually! But even with all this, he's not the most interesting Vee to me. Velvette is. We see A LOT less of her than the other two. If I'm not mistaken (which I could be), she's the only one of them whose powers are still a mystery, except projecting images behind her. However, she's apparently "The backbone of the Vees" if she can be believed as not just boasting there, and at the very least she's as strong as Val, considering the "powerless" comment aimed at Vox in Stayed Gone. It's practically impossible for me not to be at least a little curious about what she's capable of, especially considering her design is very much the odd one out in the group, looking much more human and having a different color scheme than the other two.
6:53 Schwarzenegger Safety
i think the idea of Vox crushing on Alestor would also explain by he isn’t in a relationship with Val at the fear of it being one sided again…
Is no one gonna talk abou how funny it when ‘Video killed the radio star’ started playing in the back at 15:37 lol
10:35 even vox's part proves that lol. every few lines he would switch formats to keep the viewers entertained. like first he was hosting a news broadcast, then he started hosting a talk show. then after that an obey & pay? 😭THEN after that he was like on those travelling, vacation shows things and then finally a cooking show.. 5 formats in 1 part that ends after 1 minute and 27 seconds into the song? clearly insecure 😭
2:28 the sound affects I can’t- 💀💀💀
2:25 had me wheezing
...I'm a little tired
18:30 Okay that's such a great line, and definitly something Alastor could say.
4:40 bro killed him
Basically, Vox is Syndrome
“Your literally just BeetleJuice with wings and a package the size of your name”
What I wanna see is finding out that the battle between Alastor and Vox was actually Alastor sacrificing himself (unbeknownst to Vox at the time) in order to satisfy some requirement for Vox to become part of the "V" 's - perhaps a requirement of killing an overlord to which Alastor understands his new buddy and protege' isn't up for and deliberately picks a fight with him to protect him... It would be a great twist to leverage a Vox Redemption arc
Your literally mat pat for hazbin hotel, and I dig it, keep it up 👍
Bro, this is only my second video ever watched on ur channel, HOW ARE YOUR THEORIES THIS GOOD?! The amount of thought in terms of what's cannon, character dynamics, and unused lore is incredible! Keep up the good work!