It's true though. Hazbin hotel is so much better than honestly anything Disney can come up with...as long as their not taking from anime (Lion king, I love you but your Kimba in all but name).
@Passions5555 I know Stephanie Beatriz played Maribel in Encanto, Jeremy Jordan is Varian in the TV show of Rapunzel but I'm blanking on the 4th one..... Edit: sorry guys just now seeing the replies. Thank you for letting me know!! It's so awesome to see Broadway talent get the respect they deserve!! They can sing, act and voice act!!! Truly inspiring.
I must admit it’s better than most disney made but during their golden age they was even better but they had got like 200millions budget and the other idk but surely less.the hunchback of notre dame has the greatest vilain music EVER and an amazing story that come form on of the greatest writers of 18th century but honestly I love hazbin hotel has much but a little bit more the hunchback of notre same but disney did really good movies but the fact it’s for kids sometimes make some things that could be amazing just good like fight battles generally their better in adult shows than kids ones
I feel like Hazbin also did a better job with the whole narcissistic villain with a song better than wish since Adam is good example of a “silly” narcissist Villain (who has a catchy song) than whatever they where trying to do with the wish villain
They also seperated the “goofy villain” and “narcissistic villain” into 2 seperate characters, giving us 2 awesome villains with defined traits, as opposed to giving us one character with both traits but lots of inconsistency and a lack of actual villain behavior.
I get the feeling the people working on the poster, the script, and the songs were kept in isolation with all the parts being then given to the animators to cobble together.
@@Muna-Jlore0997 Is it though? If only some of my wishes are granted, theres a safety net in place, so I can, you know, wish for what I want, and only the "good" things actually get granted. Meanwhile, if every wish gets granted, I need to be careful, dont I? Im basically one wrong(ly worded) wish away from turning my Disney Fantasy into Witcher 3 - Heart of Stone. Not saying that was definitely what they went for, but thats how I interpreted it, admittedly somewhat charitably.
The style switch in Stayed Gone has another purpose that you missed. The switch happens when Vox's broadcast starts, the manic and energetic part is what he displays to the public. He hides his sinister side and displays the entertaining persona. Meanwhile Alastor continues broadcasting even through the sinister parts, he doesn't hide his evil, he revels in it. The style switch is used to show this contrast between Vox and Alastor, Vox manipulates and fakes being good while Alastor might also manipulate people, but he never hides his evil nature.
@@hanyoukimura He hides his intentions but it's not like he conceals his evil tendencies and violence from her. Pentious and the Loan Sharks that were after Mimzy can attest to that. That's what I meant when I wrote that he manipulates people but doesn't hide his evil nature
THANK YOU for not making the hotel a “plothole” it’s a very intentional thing, it’s supposed to start a discussion of who can and can’t be redeemed. we aren’t supposed to blindly follow charlie
Also, I think it would be okay even in-universe if not everyone can be redeemed. It's a way to siphon off overpopulation, and it's not as if the exterminations wiped out every sinner either. Valentino and his ilk can stay in Hell and marinate in their bad vibes for as long as they like, but not every sinner is a Valentino.
@@helenanilsson5666 that a good way to discribe it an di really like this video on hiw who knows abot the show flaws but he focuse on the storng part on why this is good and disney doing ummmm something wrong with the music and villain and hazbin hotel like it or not its still show how far they come .
There is also the fact that to be redeemed the sinner must want to change. Alastor made it clear he is not interested, The Vees also dont care. Or other Overlords. Or even those that are alies like Cherry Bomb or Husk dont care for redemption. There are so many nuances with the redemption plot. And that makes it interesting.
Charlie's belief goes from "Everyone can change!" to "Not everyone can change, but they at least deserve a chance to try to change." Asha's belief goes from "Grant everyone's wishes, no matter how good or bad they may be!" to "Grant everyone's wishes, not matter how good or bad they may be!"
Exactly. Because nowadays, the disney protagonists have to have NOOO flaws and always be in the right so they can be more “likable” but flaws in heros make them more human and relatable, which is why people like them so much An example is Charlie’s sheltered nature, which is why she didn’t understand that not everyone can be redeemed. That’s just my take though.
Actually, it’s because of one reason and one reason only that Asha’s belief never changes. It’s because Disney wants to show these fake fantasies to minors so it sells. It’s all for marketing. Just put an unrealistic magical scenario and make the world look like the best place to ever exist, then boom. It sells. And it sells big time. Disney doesn’t give a damn to what the kids learn. Like most/all companies in the world, all they’re out for is money.
This is why I love episode 4 of Hazbin, not only does it prove that Charlie was right that someone like Angel deserves a second chance. But, Charlie’s interactions with Valentino makes her realize that some people aren’t worthy of forgiveness
The fact that Hazbin made 'Stayed Gone' a swing jazz song when Alastor died in the 30s and Vox in the 50s is SO smart, it's like the style of music that was popular between the two eras in which they existed when they were on earth. You really can tell when something has passion and love behind it; it makes a world of difference.
Omg I didn't even notice that, the more I learn about Hazbin the more fantastic it is. A shame it only got so little episodes for season 1 and had to be rushed
It makes sense ones a series that has taken years to come to its full potential with characters painstakingly designed through real life experiences…and the other is a greedy corporate cash grab relying on nostalgia
Hell's Greatest Dad is basically a song duet of Genie vs Dr. Facilier in style. Even Alastor's colors during the song are bright pinks, purples and greens!
Hazbin Hotel intentionally made you hate their Valentino character on purpose, while Wish had a Valentino character that was accidentally made unlikeable that people hated
Yes! I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed. A talking goat meant to be comic relief, yet ends up just being annoying versus a moth demon pimp who abuses his employees, and is intended to be a hateable villain.
HH managed to make all the villains cover different roles. You have Alastor who you should hate but like, Adam you who love to hate because he's so entertaining, Valentino who you hate hate, and Vox/Velvette who you hate by proxy but don't really do anything too terrible.
I fear I like valentino, I despise his actions and if he was real I'd sprint in the other direction, but when he's 50000000 miles away from angel dust he's a pretty funny character
The solution is simple: hire songwriters who actually have experience in musicals. Like, thats literally what the problem was with Wish. The songwriters they hired had experience in writing for musicians, but not for musicals. And yes, there is a big difference in the general vibe of musical numbers vs songs.
Also they were only given three weeks and weren’t shown the script or movie. They just got a vague description of what is happening, which explains why none of the songs have any meaning and they all sound rushed
I despise musicals as much as I despise romance films and romcoms, but clearly the true reason on why Hazbin Hotel is objectively better than WB Studios and Disney is because Viziepop puts true passion into her work@@juliaboskamp9666.
@@Kayta-Linda And better than Miraculous, a show that Disney is focusing on rather than all their other better shows like Big City Greens, Moon Girl and Hailey’s On It.
Vivienne was very, very passionate about making Hazbin and Helluva. Indie shows are made out of passion, love, and pride. Big studio musicals are made for money.
Finally, someone who sees the good in Hazbin Hotel. I feel like I was losing my mind because people were saying how it objectively sucked. Good to know there are other people with me on this
I was a person who didn't like it at first not like those dumb twitter stands but just didn't find interesting and made dumb jokes to my sister but she was was always interested in it even when the pilot came out and when it came on prime she was excited and on that day i came in her room behind her while watching and i just decided to give it a watch now i like it the plot, the charcters, and of course the songs so yeah that's what happened and now she has me and our mother hook on both helluva boss and hazbin hotel
@@Matthewgaming20 I wasn't into it originally either, but my brother was a huge fan. I'd watched the pilot and it wasn't my cup of tea, probably due to me being uncomfortable with the themes of the show at the time. But now I can appreciate them much more. Sad that other people just wanna hate on this show though
Hell's Disney Princess upstaging real Disney princess will always be amusing. I'm really proud of and happy for Vivzi for sticking to her biggest wants for the show: it has to be a musical and the characters have to keep their core traits. She was able to surround herself with like-minded people who all had the same goal and loved the characters and world enough to do them well. I don't feel like it got enough episodes to accomplish everything it wanted to, but how much it managed to accomplish in 8 episodes is BECAUSE it's a musical. Music has a narrative function [normally] that allows a lot of information to be introduced and processed within a short time frame. I hope they get more episodes for season 2 because they have so much more to show us.
I love how they basically changed Charlie’s core beliefs. Because we all have core beliefs but there will be times when those core beliefs will be challenged, questioned and even changed. And what I like about Charlie’s character is that she’s allowed these challenges, questionings, and changes which allowed her to develop as a character. And it’s okay to be wrong. It doesn’t mean you’re stupid or bad or inferior. Characters are allowed to be wrong and have flaws. In the beginning, Charlie is privileged, sheltered and naive about the world around her and that’s what makes her likable. Charlie’s core belief was that “everyone has good in them and are redeemable” but then it changes to “anyone can change but not everyone will”. Redemption is a choice and something you would have to want. And not everyone would want to. Charlie is right about people like Angel Dust and Sir Pentious being deserving of second chances but when she met Valentino, she realizes that not everyone is worthy of forgiveness or second chances. At first, Charlie was naive, but as the series progressed and her beliefs were challenged, she became wiser. And when the meeting with the seraphims goes about as well as expected (which not at all), and was basically her last chance to resolve some things, she is at her lowest and doesn’t know if she can believe in anything anymore. So then, with Alastors knowledge, the only other option left is to defend her home with all the weapons and allies she can gather. Charlie is also allowed to be scared, vulnerable, and in need of being lifted up just like how she did for everyone since the beginning. Charlie is truly an inspiration of a flawed character who is actually likable alongside the other cast of characters. Meanwhile, Asha’s core beliefs were “everybody deserves to have their wishes granted” to “everybody deserves their wishes granted”. This made Asha’s character bland and unlikable. She was never challenged with her core beliefs nor did she ever once questioned if she was right or wrong. In fact, Asha wasn’t allowed to be wrong or have any flaws besides “she cares too much”. Okay? And? That’s it? Hazbin hotel is what would happen if a Disney movie was rated R and you also have a Disney princess in hell which is brilliant.
In general, an important joke is that all the main characters of Hazbin have their own signature style of music. This is especially noticeable in the song "Hell is Forever" - Charlie has the melody of a straight classic Disney (perhaps the birds will soon come to kiss her on the top of her head), which is contrasted with Adam, whose music is rock.
Yes, Angel Dust is pop music, Alastor is classic jazz, Husk is soul jazz, Vaggie is rock ballad, Carmilla is flamenco, Pentious is ballad(?), Velvette is pop rap/modern hip hop, Lute can be rock as well but her style is more like Evanescence which is gothic metal, and Lucifer is Tin Pan Alley/ballad.
I will say it’s definitely not the song writers’ fault that the music turned out bad in Wish. According to an interview they had very little information about the story and only two weeks to write each song. Meanwhile Hazbin had a much better pipeline and more time for development. So there was bound to be a big difference. Disney exes, you are the villains here.
Yeah. In constrast I heard about someone called to contribute to a Helluva Boss episode. They managed to write and PERFORM their own song! I wonder what the backstory behind that is.....
@@somedragonbastard Yes!!! That's him! I hope we get the backstory of writing that song someday! It'd be nice to compare it to the stories of the Wish songwriters!
It’s hilarious that a animated show about Hell and sins for 16 year olds with inappropriate songs is wayyyy better than most of Disney’s songs and surprisingly most of the movies that Disney released, Hazbin Hotel is just goated
Haven’t even watched Hazbin Hotel, but just listening to the songs-I learn so much about the story and personalities of the characters singing them. Like that one song More Than Anything, which shows Lucifer is this guy that is clearly suffering some kind of trauma at having his wild ideas blow up in his face, with his angel family turning their spears at him and this single moment of soul crushing rejection and failure lead him to fear that his daughter was heading down the same road. But Charlie is this girl who found people she wants to risks it all for. And so the father decides to be proud of her for standing her ground. Or like that one song, It Starts with Sorry-Charlie is someone who is so open to giving anyone a chance that she makes the guilty guy cry, asks those around her to have empathy-to remember that they’ve been there before and would have wanted a second chance-and *succesfully* gets them to abandon killing the snake. And because of that, the snake get the chance to apologize and start the road to redemption. She has the characteristics of a leader, and the kindness of heart to change those around her for the better. Like it’s actually so cool how good the songs are at storytelling. I haven’t seen all the songs, but when there’s singing, it’s rarely wasted. The song and the visuals always tell something.
Wanna know the funny part? IT STARTS WITH SORRY ISN'T EVEN THE BEST SOMG IN THE SHOW!!! there have been many places where the songs were ranked, it starts with sorry usually doesn't even get that high of a ranking, yet it still tells the story perfectly for someone who hasn't even watched the show yet GODDAMN!!! And then there's wish...
That’s the best kind of musical (where the songs move the plot along) and I think the ones that AREN’T like that are the ones that make ppl say they hate musicals. Where they STOP the story so the characters can sing about something happening right in front of them that the audience already knows. And the song has no important character moments/new info in it, just a rehash of everything we already know which makes the audience wish they’d just shut up and keep going. It’s like if someone was reading you a book and every time you got to a good part they closed the book and made you listen to a 3 minute song before continuing
I think most people miss the message with Hazbin. It's like Ratatouille: everyone CAN change, but not everyone WILL change. Redemption is active choice. You need to WANT to change, then COMMIT to changing.
@@joshuagonzalez4183 It's honestly crazy how media literacy just absolutely fell off a cliff. Unless something is literally spelt out to people, it's impossible for them to pick up at all.
@@youtube-kit9450 IKR?!,they acting like viv just murdered their family or something,so I don’t get why ppl are still treating viv if she was the worst known person in the goddamn world even though there’s far worse ppl that are way more infamous than her!!..
Vivzie made a better disney princess than Asha. Charlie is a strong female character done right. Yes she is naive and she just lets her people push her around, but that's because she's sheltered and sees the world in black and white and think kindness would fix everything. She acknowledges this and apologizes to Angel Dust for not realizing the severity of his situation. She is flawed, yes, and keeps trying to fix everyone else's problems except her own like husk said. The way she sees the world is different but her intentions are noble. Imagine being born in literal hell and staying kind and happy? We all could never
Totally agree. The reason no one likes Asha as a character coz she has no personality or flaws. The only personality that Asha has is her quirkiness. And her other flaw that “she cares too much.” Yeah sure Charlie does the same thing but it’s not annoying.
Right, I agree. My only issue with Charlie is that the show (and herself) both try to imply and *actively say* it is Charlie's destiny to be the leader of hell. Which it is, in a nepotistic take, but I found embarrassing that the MC proclaimed it was their role to be leaders when never did they show the ability to lead (literally every character got comforted by someone else) and didn't even learn anything to truly lead. Cannibal Town didn't even count because it wasn't about Charlie learning to convince people, but actually trying the same proved mostly useless singing method that "It never works" "But it'll work here", which is the only reinforcement that it is her destiny to lead others... Felt quite off that the season ended like that, but Charlie still has a lot of room to learn more things through next seasons while Asha will never learn anything.
@@Anonymous__S I think part of what makes Charlie's situation work though is that she clearly *isn't* ready to be a leader by S1's end. I saw the last two episodes as more building the foundations with her realizing and accepting that she's been forced into a leadership role (ready or not). Rallying Cannibal Town behind her is more a lesson of self-confidence and accepting responsibility than learning to lead or persuade. Corny as it is, both are fundamental to good leadership.
Yeah. Charlie is a woman with naive soul and doesn't understand her true strength. During the S1, the reality caught up to her; she has been forced awake from the cute protected sunlit garden. Now, she has to walk the path with mud puddles, broken glasses and deadly traps, on her own feet, if she wants to continue her dream. She's finally standing on the doorway of becoming a true powerful leader. But I don't see anything like this is Asha, she does now grow up. Rather, her childish motives are enhansed by the Star and are used like a puppet. You can see it the most when the Star comes down. It's really scary. The event at the Cannibal Town was, I think, done to teach her that people are different and require different ways to reach. Her singing didn't work for others, so she gave it up altogether. But Madam knew the residents likes singing ...impling that Charlie is careless about gathering information, the very first thing you need to do to convince someone. She kinda learned this with Angel but are still less careful and still isn't as much as she should be. Maybe it will come back to haunt her in later seasons hehehe. Also agree on the "lesson of self-confidence and accepting responsibility" part. She's a princess of hell, she's been saying that and she wants to act like it. So she needs to act like one when the time comes, and her preference won't matter then. The worst part of her is that she sees everything in rainbows with a twist of unicorns and candy rains. But in any case, very good show. I wish Alastor would step on me.
Keith David had one of my favorite Disney villain songs with “Friends on the other side” and then he had an amazing song in Hazbin Hotel with “Loser baby”. Do find it interesting that in Princess and the Frog Keith’s character was a guy that used voodoo, shadows, and was from New Orleans. And now his character Husk in Hazbin Hotel is controlled by Alastor who seems to use shadow magic, has little voodoo looking shadow puppets, and is from New Orleans.
Ironically series what has best villain songs today is My Little Pony Friendship is Magic. And I'm serious! This series is loaded with amazing villain songs, but tend to go under radar due to expectations. This Day Aria Say Goodbye to the Holiday Open Up Your Eyes Under Our Spell Unleash The Magic We Will Stand For Everfree The Midnight In Me All are top tier stuff!
@@TheRezroeven tho g5 sucks its best songs and those that are actually good are also villain songs Generally don't understand how this is the thanks I get screwed up
Magnifico could’ve been more interesting if they went with the original idea of making the Queen just as evil as he was. Imagine a Disney villain duet song.
@@TheBLBrothersso I guess u haven't watch obi one,the marvels,wandavision, doctor strange 2. All those movies and shows suck but they all still show women being villans.
@@Pelican07.23 Even Ursula in the little mermaid live action remake was allowed to remain evil despite all the attempts to downplay the evil with other Disney villains in the live action remakes. I may not be a fan of the little mermaid remake (and this is from someone who is usually more fair with some of the remakes) but it’s refreshing Ursula was allowed to remain hammy evil like in the original.
You hit the nail on the head - Disney has forgotten how to make a musical and relies heavily on nostalgia for past films to fill seats! Meanwhile Vivzie had to cultivate a fan base for a brand new IP and pay close attention to the quality of her product: as a result, she wound up creating a classic Disneyesque musical better than anything Disney has made in recent years!
You know you messed up when a controversial show about Hell and Demons is better than your safe and kid friendly movie about the concept of wishing. Moral of the Story? Take more risks. Who cares if you get cancelled? You're doing better than most out there by taking that chance.
Or… do not alienate your fans. For the longest time, Disney was the “conservative” one of the 3 major cartoon/kids channels. Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon would allow swear words on occasion, but Disney was supposed to be the most conservative of the 3. Also, they got too big for their britches and decided to deviate from their roots (cartoons with clear, black and white morals).
I'd say Hazbin Hotel has pretty accepted morals about redemption and if you look over the swearings and violence, its message is to me very consensual. The form is what makes it interesting and new but the message is overplayed. You don't need to go on trying to "trigger" anyone to get attention, you just need to make something worth watching.
even though I have not watched the wish one think I understand about a musical is when its on screen people can connect with the person singing something hazbin hotel delivers while wish fails at doing so.
This song is also somehow reveals human nature of taking all the good things for granted. This guy created his own kingdom, make it safe and prosperous (didn't look poor and miserable to me at least), and on top of that, he's even granting wishes from time to time, for free! And this is the thanks he gets...
Knowing what I know now is okay I think its the best song still would be the worst song if it was in hazbin though even below welcome to heaven or whatever it takes
@@VelvetteSimp the worst song in my opinion of hazbin is whatever it takes then it starts with sorry welcome to heaven is actually good but compared to hells greatest dad, stayed gone and other absolute bangers it is ok
I love how Stayed Gone is, like, mirrored. the second half of the song is like the first half just reversed, the only difference is the first half is vox's perspective and the second is alastor's, and I'm not sure I've ever seen a song structured like that so specifically.
Disney got out-Disney'd on their 100th anniversary by an adult indie cartoon that's essentially about the invention of purgatory What a time to be alive
Let's be fair, Alastor is the most terrifying thing in Hazbin Hotel. This guy strives to be at least disturbing in each of his appearances. If I had to compare him to a Disney villain, it would be Ratigan. Yes, I know, he's not the one we think of when we say "disney villain", but it's for a simple thing: Ratigan's motivation is to be evil. The first thing he does once announced as Prince Consor is to impose a tax on the elderly, children and the disabled. Alastor is the same: he loves being evil and savors every moment. Like the dentist in Little Shop of Horrors. Music here: ua-cam.com/video/YoWom0CCRKM/v-deo.html Honestly, it's Alastor if he had become a dentist instead of a serial killer.
but Alastor is a villain. a great one, we can't even read their true intentions. we only know that he is bad and doesn't fears anything. he laughs at the face of the devil himself. literally.
@@waltermelo1033 I would argue he's afraid of whoever has him "on a leash" as Husk said, and also Zestiel to some extent since his appearance made Alastor nervous and he switched to his "best behavior" the moment the guy arrived. Aside from those two people, however, yea he just smiles and laughs at everyone else. Him poking and prodding Lucifer was hilarious.
I would say that most of the characters have their own style in their songs. Like jazz for Alastor, slut pop for Angel, disney princess songs for charlie, rock for Adam etc.
This is why i love indies, they show the passion of certain individuals that big companies like disney or pixar just doesnt have anymore. Say what you want about VivziePop but she really cares about her work and it shows
I have full respect for indie animation. There are so many good ones: Murder drones Helluva boss The amazing digital circus Ramshackle And more. Corporate companies…………😑😑😑😑😑
"Be careful what you wish for" has been a common proverb for a long long time. The full phrase is "Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it", meaning that our immediate desires may not be what's best for us.
I love how you used stayed gone as the example, the whole reason it's my favorite song is because the difference in it instead of two people going together in a song they're against each other, and then it also has like what 2 or 3 different tunes, it also gives backstory and some in-depth of both the characters, it's amazing
the fact that this isn't even the first video i've seen that uses hazbin hotel as a herald of the rise of indie animation taking over the entertainment landscape... i'm also surprised that the sheer quality of the music didn't come into play, like idk wtf that magnifico "song" was supposed to be but it was grating and didn't have a cohesive melody, whereas the hazbin songs are very much in the disney _tradition._ especially "happy day in hell" and "you didn't know," they feel like traditional musical fare (and it probably helps that they got broadway musical alums to do the voice acting instead of just throwing big celebrity names like chris pine at the audience). there's a couple of clunkers in there - i'm not a fan of anything carmilla sings - but the overwhelming majority of the soundtrack is just banger after banger, they've got middle school kids who aren't even allowed to watch the show singing the songs. this adult animation literally stole disney's audience on music quality alone.
Exactly! Also, Hazbin has big names on it but they dont use it as a pushing point to get people to watch. It's more of a "holy shit i recognize that voice" when watching
@@Si1vercherryIt's the same as with Hazbin's sister animation Helluva Boss. As the series has progressed the production value has gone steadily up and they don't skimp on the voice actors. The season 1 finale had to be delayed quite a while because Ke$ha was voicing Beelzebub. The season two mid-season musical has several songs, one of them is a love song between Alex Brightman (Beetlejuice from Beetlejuice the musical) and James Monroe Iglehart (who played Genie in the Broadway production of Aladdin). It's absolutely delightful.
Vizie putted effort in her show because she was passionate about those characters,about the story and she spent the last of decade sharing this love with us,promoting it and she knows that we waited a lot of time for watching this show,and she busted her ass to make this show wonderful. Disney doesn't give a fuck about it's viewers,they already know that with every movie,no matter how much it's shit, they already know they are gonna get a certain amount of money.
I think Charlie is also really similar to Rapunzel from Tangled, both from the hair and personality. Both are really kind and naive, wanting to see the good in everyone. They even both sing about having a dream lol.
For real Hazbin Hotel is a better celebration of Disney's legacy than Wish is supposed to be. There's a bunch like all the ones you mentioned but the one that's especially ironic is Lucifer. Disney scrapped all the creative team's ideas for the star to be an actual talking character in Wish for fear of him being too similar to the Genie in Aladdin. Meanwhile Jeremy Jordan said he used the Genie as his inspiration while voicing Lucifer, and the animators for his solo in Hell's Greatest Dad make nods to him too which, I didn't even notice ANY of that because of how unique Lucifer is even while directly referencing Genie. Seriously, I thought nah the Hell's Greatest Dad similarities are probs just surface level reaching till I saw side by side Genie and Lucifer use puppets, slot machines, and magically serve food while singing in a fake French accent. Like what a perfect example of paying tribute to something, and I already knew the golden fiddle was a reference to The Devil Went Down to Georgia too so it's fitting if Lucifer made other references
Now that you bring it up, it becomes the perfect way to properly put a nod to Robin Williams, who was a great Comedian, Singer, Actor and VA around. And a stand-up guy even at the end.
I see the similarities between the Genie and Lucifer and I like it, inspiration is not plagiarism. The characters did not serve the same purposes in the show, don't have the same motivations, don't have the same stories. I agree with you, even disney references are better in hazbin hotel
Really hope success of hazbin hotel & helluva boss gets more adult animation projects green lit. Wish felt so G rated made the Snow White running thru spooky forest scene look more intense.
Usually I can't deal with musicals, but Hazbin Hotel is just so great that I honestly didn't mind any of the song. Actually Stayed Gone is just such a great song I listened to it ON PURPOUSE, that's bassically unheard of!
My boyfriend saw it and thought I would like it, and I was like 'eeeeeeeh, a musical?' But I did watch it and I absolutely loved it - its got characters, story telling, and pulls on actual mythologies- and real villians/antagonists. Plus I just love 2D animation 😍
Honestly I think that's the most interesting "Classic Disney" thing Disney could come out with right now: The first Disney sequel ever to be leagues ahead of its predecessor not leagues behind? A movie that says the last one's wrong that comes out within a few years of the original? I actually... might want to watch that ....If they have musical theatre people directing. It doesn't even have to be for every song, there can still be some pop! Just give us a real Disney Villain Song and maybe one "I want" or "I messed up" ballad.
@@Muna-Jlore0997 and the sad thing is that Hazbin still tops that with More Than Anything. Used in two types of love songs. First is between father and daughter. And later between a couple. Wish used it with people and their own wishes.
I think I know the reason that visual and music wise, Hazbin hotel exceeded *FAR* OVER what Wish could ever be. It’s because of the time they had to actually think of stuff and the production styles of each piece of media. How Disney produces stuff, nowadays is they get writers to write something, and then they just quickly make all of that into a movie, then releases the final product and makes merch over and over again. Meanwhile, Hazbin hotel wasn’t jumping from movie to movie over and over again, they spent a whole four years developing everything in this musical, so they had much more time to think about it then Disney did. Plus, they weren’t focusing on making merch for Hazbin hotel, the only thing they were focusing on was the musical itself.
The thing that hurts me the most about is not that It was effortless...It wasn't the first time Disney did something without putting heart in It, and the amount of live action movies they made proves it. What hurts the most is this: this movie was made as a commemoration of Disney's anniversay, 100th anniversary. Very few companies could say to have reached a century of activity, and the film that has to resume Disney's career in all of it's glory... Is this. And this is the thanks we get
I cannot stand live action movies. There is no heart in to it. Almost every live action is basically the same plot: girl boss trope. Bland villain story and so much more. And making wish may be their wasteful potential.
@@Muna-Jlore0997What? Live action is just another medium. There is nothing good or bad about it. I'm not sure what word you were trying to use, but live action ain't it.
Actually, this video got me into Hazbin! I just wanted to see another person mock Wish, and didn't even care about Hazbin, but when I heard that "Welcome home," I was hooked. I decided to take the plunge, listen to Stayed Gone, and things spiraled.
I'd rather watch a show with a million flaws that people actually care about than a perfect story created as a cash grab by a company. Heart in a project means so much, and Hazbin Hotel is so important to me in that way
This is why I love indie animation. It’s so much better than the animation of bigger companies. I’m honestly disappointed by disney. It’s Hazbin that makes my life better! Thanks for this man! 😊 Edit 1: also I wanna say that musicals in the theatre production side is much better than all of these in my opinion. DONT COME AFTER ME-
Hazbin’s villain songs are legitimately insane. In a good way. Stayed gone, hell is forever and (technically) you didn’t know are all in my top 5 of the *16* songs. Hell is forever is my *favourite* song in the series.
Agree. These songs not only are catchy, but also show character's personalities. For example "Hell is forever" shows that Adam is very sadistic and enjoys slaughters sinners, while using fact that they're sinners as an excuse. This shows difference between him and Charlie - while Charlie symbolizes all of the 7 heavenly virtues, Adam symbolizes all of the 7 deadly sins. Even some Hazbin hotel fan villain songs are very good. For example, Daisies and Insane by Black Gryph0n, Oh my God by Hazbin Hotel - VRChat, What a hellhole and Stayed gone (Lute and Lilith ver.) by MilkyyMelodies etc.
@@Someduudeit’s honestly weird how they went from oh we just a channel who makes fan songs for games to we are known throughout the world because of our banger songs and we got a song into a theatrical release and we got hired by Amazon to write songs for their new show
I just saw Wish, and frankly, I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt like the animation was unfinished. And really, out of all of Wish's songs, only like 2 of them stood out to me (one of them was Magnifico's) mainly for the catchy rhythm they had, and I do believe that in "this is the thanks I get" it was meant to establish his more... greedy and power-hungry side, plus some scenes try to imply he's like that, on top of being a narcissist. I think him opening the song with him talking about his looks is meant to be like, "Why would anyone betray someone as handsome as me?"again implying him being narcissistic. Meanwhile, Hazbin managed to achieve so much more in only 8 episodes, and despite the flaws it may have, it actually had more impact than Wish did. Hazbin didn't shy away from just having evil doods being evil doods they're in hell.. for a reason, after all. In any sense, I thought Wish was just... ok. It's not the worst thing I've seen, but it's definitely not the best that Disney has to offer. It's just ok.
I feel there was not a single "ugly" or "flawed looking" character in Disney's "Wish", and in my personal opinion, that's one of the big overlooked reasons of what made "Wish" boring. Disney background characters used to look so unique and diverse, and the villains used to look so cool in design and had several traits in their features that exaggerated them being sinister, scary and even playful. King Magnifico being so handsome honestly makes me take him less seriously as a villain, if he was ugly yet confident like Yzma from "The Emperor's Groove" or couldve been anonymous by wearing a mask for most of the film, then maybe he would've had more charm to him.
@@torytellstales fr. Wish was so damn tame for it being Disney's 100th year anniversary movie. Marketed as a movie 100 years in the making, this is supposed to be a prequel to all the Disney movies. And it's just so.... mid
@dragoniccrab Right? I think they should've took a darker spin. Perhaps they couldve made the kingdom of Rosa's a utopia in only Asha's eyes and her "wish" is that she wants to get into this kingdom to cure her 100 year old Grandpa's illness, thinking this is where the land of magic is.
Hazbin is a Broadway musical. A lot of the cast have Broadway or theater backgrounds and it shows in how the songs are meant to move the plot forward. Wish's songs were written by pop writers. They're not concerned with plot. Wish is not quite a jukebox musical but it really feels like it is getting close
I feel sorry for the song writer. They didn't even let her see the movie beforehand and now all the internet is laughing at her. Yes the songs are hot garbage but what potential she might have had to make them better, disney took away
Minor correction. In the conflict between Vox and Alastor 7 years prior Vox won. Though the way it is phrased in the show is that he almost lost to Alastor. Which is still to say that he won... but it was close. Thus Alastor retreated but Vox is still scared of having to fight him again. He may have had help beating him from the other Vees. But I also suspect that he was backed by someone like Alastor is. That is I think someone has the Vees souls and is boosting their power.
@@spinedotlazuli1120k Agreed. We only have Val's words to go on and the absence of Alastor for 7 years. Val stating that Vox almost lost could have been bragging. But we do know that something caused Alastor to go missing for 7 years.
I cannot express how much I love hazbin hotel. The lore, the fandom, the art style, the music, the details of little Easter eggs of past scrapped characters. Of course there’s flaws but i haven’t seen something that can pull so many things off
I rewatched it like 4 times pretty much immediately after watching it the first time and I like fully pay attention when I watch things. Tbh I fully thought I wasn't going to like it much, btu watched it because a friend asked me to and it does look really cool visually. I also initially got freaked out by the musical aspect, but now I really enjoy it tbh.
7:28 I personally thought that the style change in Stayed Gone was supposed to show that even though Vox is evil(or tires to be) behind closed doors, he has to be apealing to the public eye to keep up his reputation and in order not to lose his viewers' trust and respect
That's the thing, Hazbin was made by someone who is queer so you know all of the LGBT characters in the show are all genuine. With Disney it's just not. It feels cheap.
Honestly i think that disney tries to bury their gay characters, rather than openly show them like you said. One of Wade's siblings, the cop from Onward, the main character from strange world. They're all under a sheet of plausible deniability so disney can say that they have gay characters, while also keeping the money going from homophobic sponsors and countries. There's a reason why the owl house was cancelled despite being one of the most successful animated series I Disney history
@L-ghtlessSky I mean Stolas from Helluva Boss is also aggressively gay, but in a very... natural way. I guess spoken in metaphors in the Hellaverse the sexuality is a piece in the jigsaw puzzle that makes up a character, whereas with disney it feels like youve got a blank jigsaw puzzle with the sexuality-piece taped onto it to distract from the fact that THE ENTIRE PUZZLE IS BLANK
Greetings! I’m a musical theatre actor who has been training since I was 14 years old to become professional. I’m currently in numerous productions and conservatory (aka professional theatre college) I appreciate videos like this which point out a few things about how the musical genre works. Musicals are a story told through music and acting and ironically a lot of people forget that. Songs have a purpose otherwise they aren’t included because of time. Every song either is supposed to be a character driven song aka a song where we hear a characters personality/wishes and desires and goals, or a plot driven song, a song that drives the plot forwards and established key details or motifs. Only rarely do you have songs like “Be Our Guest” from Beauty and the Beast which is a showstopper fun number. I haven’t seen Wish but I definitely have checked out the music, and I genuinely feel disappointed. Magnifico genuinely in his song depressed me so much I had to take a moment to sit in silence to process what was really being projected into my eardrums. Villains typically get “I Am” songs, songs that establish them as a villain without diving deep too much into their wants or desires because that makes them more 2D and therefore harder to relate to. It helps flesh out the protagonist in comparison. But Magnifico’s song is so entirely bland and establishes what we supposedly already know and repeats so many times that it’s not innovative enough to actually establish his character all that well. It also doesn’t show off what he’s like as a threat. If we look at Poor Unfortunate Souls for an example, we get that Ursula is evil. We see that. And we generally know her deal before the song. However, the song illustrates how dangerous she is, how cunning she is, her mastery of manipulation which is a common thread from that moment onwards in the story and is key to the climax where we have the final fight. Magnifico just seems like some guy…almost as if they wanted him to be quirky like Asha but terrifying and imposing and couldn’t seem to pick so they waffled back and forth. What we’re left with is nothing because it doesn’t enhance anything so we’re right back where we started. You could cut the song entirely and you’d still be left with knowing what kind of person Magnifico is and what “threat” he poses. 😂😭
This comment is pure facts. King Magnifico's villain song's only purpose is to tell you how soulless and badly written the villain is. Where did the budget even go?
It makes me so happy how hazbin hotel is made with so much love and it is easy to notice in the series, even the voice actors enjoy a lot to be part of the show and have a "connection" with the characters they play. I've seen the cast meetings and it's so nice how they get along so well and it's noticeable how they love the project
One thing that makes hazbin hotel character design awesome in my eyes is that each character has an alignment they follow Like charlie is chaotic good, vagi’s lawful neutral, alastor’s lawful chaotic (follow’s a code but no one can tell what in h*ll it is) While other shows don’t seem to go as in depth with the designs and allignments, like how you mentioned that you couldn’t tell if the dude was a jock who needed help or a maniac who needed to be beaten Just makes hazbin hotel feel more real and engaging to me
I got this video in my recommendations after I saw a Twitter screenshot of this video saying it was "trash". I disagree, I think this is a very nice passionate video.
Hazdin hotel is proof that their isnt no more storys to tell just theirs no more creative people getting the chances to tell them and I am glad to see that beginning to change
I actually remember finishing hazbin hotel first season and thinking to myself what the fuck Disney? The billion dollar giant that pioneered this industry of animation and musicals, and they spectacularly dropped the ball. The ball didn’t even touch any air. It went straight from their hands and teleported into the ground.
The production and quality of this video were amazing the editing and explanations were thorough enough for a full idea yet quick enough as to not drone on and on with unnecessary information. Keep up the great work!
The main drawback I find with Hazbin Hotel is that they weren't given enough time. A series with a planned 16 episodes in the first season were only given eight, with a decidedly short runtime (the actual episodes lasted 20 minutes, not even up to the normal 24). Almost every single gosh darned problem the show has could be solved with double the runtime. The show runners, cast, animators, everyone working on the show showed they could do it with a genuinely hooking first season with less time than most modern films. The second season will be great, and hopefully they'll be given more time to breathe inbetween story arcs.
@@Someduude yup same thing happen with Miraculous Ladybug cause the creator originally wanted it to be 2D but its expensive and aswell hard to animate Ladybug's suit patterns, plus one good thing that Vivzie did is stand on her ground to make Hazbin Hotel 2D instead of moving to 3D.
@@sarahzahira7432yeah real shame I kinda liked the 2-d animation a bit better mostly because it has anime aspects and I’m a big fan of anime wish we could’ve at least gotten one episode of a 2-d animation even if it’s short
This entire video is actually a great representation of not only the times changing to better suit indie animation, but also shows the difference between love and greed. One show clearly was just made to try and make billboards, try and make money, while the other has so much love and passion put in that its hard not to respect it, even if you dont like the show and even with the many flaws it has(ugh pacing)
can we laugh at how disney lost to an adult animation series, with four actors who voiced disney characters
It's true though. Hazbin hotel is so much better than honestly anything Disney can come up with...as long as their not taking from anime (Lion king, I love you but your Kimba in all but name).
I know about Keith David voicing the shadow man in Princess and the frog, but who are the other three you are referring to?
@Passions5555 I know Stephanie Beatriz played Maribel in Encanto, Jeremy Jordan is Varian in the TV show of Rapunzel but I'm blanking on the 4th one.....
Edit: sorry guys just now seeing the replies. Thank you for letting me know!! It's so awesome to see Broadway talent get the respect they deserve!! They can sing, act and voice act!!! Truly inspiring.
@@filmfangirls9163i still can’t believe it though because they’re both my favorite characters in their films and tv shows
I must admit it’s better than most disney made but during their golden age they was even better but they had got like 200millions budget and the other idk but surely less.the hunchback of notre dame has the greatest vilain music EVER and an amazing story that come form on of the greatest writers of 18th century but honestly I love hazbin hotel has much but a little bit more the hunchback of notre same but disney did really good movies but the fact it’s for kids sometimes make some things that could be amazing just good like fight battles generally their better in adult shows than kids ones
Insane how Adam, Alastor, Vox and Velvet CRUSH Magnefico in not only in terms of villainy but also in villain songs
Sir pentious was a better villain than magnefico 😭🙏
@@Fryingpan535true😢
@@Fryingpan535Pentious is the best character in the show
Between Wish, Wonka, and Trolls 3 I'd say that Trolls 3 is as great as Hazbin Hotel@@Fryingpan535.
@@thediam0nddrag0n78 Real
I feel like Hazbin also did a better job with the whole narcissistic villain with a song better than wish since Adam is good example of a “silly” narcissist Villain (who has a catchy song) than whatever they where trying to do with the wish villain
They also seperated the “goofy villain” and “narcissistic villain” into 2 seperate characters, giving us 2 awesome villains with defined traits, as opposed to giving us one character with both traits but lots of inconsistency and a lack of actual villain behavior.
Bow now now now now guitar solo fuck yeah!
@@fnafguy809HELL IS FOREVER WHETHER YOU LIKE IT OR NOT
@@Bossinette623 Had their chance to behave better now they boil in the pot
@@fnafguy809CAUSE THE RULES ARE BLACK AND WHITE THERE’S MO USE IN TRYNA FIGHT IT
I love how the poster clearly says “Be careful what you wish for” but the story tries to tell you that EVERY wish should be realized
Ironic right.
Lmao yeah
I get the feeling the people working on the poster, the script, and the songs were kept in isolation with all the parts being then given to the animators to cobble together.
@@RinAldrin They simply opened a new tab in chat gpt when giving a prompt, so it's easy to make those mistakes
@@Muna-Jlore0997 Is it though? If only some of my wishes are granted, theres a safety net in place, so I can, you know, wish for what I want, and only the "good" things actually get granted.
Meanwhile, if every wish gets granted, I need to be careful, dont I? Im basically one wrong(ly worded) wish away from turning my Disney Fantasy into Witcher 3 - Heart of Stone.
Not saying that was definitely what they went for, but thats how I interpreted it, admittedly somewhat charitably.
The style switch in Stayed Gone has another purpose that you missed. The switch happens when Vox's broadcast starts, the manic and energetic part is what he displays to the public. He hides his sinister side and displays the entertaining persona.
Meanwhile Alastor continues broadcasting even through the sinister parts, he doesn't hide his evil, he revels in it.
The style switch is used to show this contrast between Vox and Alastor, Vox manipulates and fakes being good while Alastor might also manipulate people, but he never hides his evil nature.
Actually hadn't considered that. Great observation!
Except from Charlie. He's definitely hiding his true motives from her.
@@hanyoukimura He hides his intentions but it's not like he conceals his evil tendencies and violence from her. Pentious and the Loan Sharks that were after Mimzy can attest to that.
That's what I meant when I wrote that he manipulates people but doesn't hide his evil nature
@@TheDJdragonflame that's true.
true! SO GOOD!!
THANK YOU for not making the hotel a “plothole” it’s a very intentional thing, it’s supposed to start a discussion of who can and can’t be redeemed. we aren’t supposed to blindly follow charlie
This. I feel that too many people are trying to be "smart" about it.
Also, I think it would be okay even in-universe if not everyone can be redeemed. It's a way to siphon off overpopulation, and it's not as if the exterminations wiped out every sinner either. Valentino and his ilk can stay in Hell and marinate in their bad vibes for as long as they like, but not every sinner is a Valentino.
@@helenanilsson5666 that a good way to discribe it an di really like this video on hiw who knows abot the show flaws but he focuse on the storng part on why this is good and disney doing ummmm something wrong with the music and villain and hazbin hotel like it or not its still show how far they come .
But Vivziepop wants us to. She really wants us to see Hazbin Hotel as this magnum opus, when it really is not.
There is also the fact that to be redeemed the sinner must want to change. Alastor made it clear he is not interested, The Vees also dont care. Or other Overlords. Or even those that are alies like Cherry Bomb or Husk dont care for redemption. There are so many nuances with the redemption plot. And that makes it interesting.
Charlie's belief goes from "Everyone can change!" to "Not everyone can change, but they at least deserve a chance to try to change."
Asha's belief goes from "Grant everyone's wishes, no matter how good or bad they may be!" to "Grant everyone's wishes, not matter how good or bad they may be!"
Exactly. Because nowadays, the disney protagonists have to have NOOO flaws and always be in the right so they can be more “likable” but flaws in heros make them more human and relatable, which is why people like them so much
An example is Charlie’s sheltered nature, which is why she didn’t understand that not everyone can be redeemed.
That’s just my take though.
Asha developed a T to the no matter after the entire movie.
Actually, it’s because of one reason and one reason only that Asha’s belief never changes. It’s because Disney wants to show these fake fantasies to minors so it sells. It’s all for marketing. Just put an unrealistic magical scenario and make the world look like the best place to ever exist, then boom. It sells. And it sells big time. Disney doesn’t give a damn to what the kids learn. Like most/all companies in the world, all they’re out for is money.
i like the hotel. charlie reminds me of chidi the good place
This is why I love episode 4 of Hazbin, not only does it prove that Charlie was right that someone like Angel deserves a second chance. But, Charlie’s interactions with Valentino makes her realize that some people aren’t worthy of forgiveness
Guys Hazbin Hotel is Disney’s 100th year anniversary celebration!
Ohh!! That makes sense, and Wish is the early april fools joke right?
That actually makes so much sense!
This is a joke right🤩???
Sorry to burst your bubble but NO
@@sepehrpirayesh5286 take a joke bruh
The fact that Hazbin made 'Stayed Gone' a swing jazz song when Alastor died in the 30s and Vox in the 50s is SO smart, it's like the style of music that was popular between the two eras in which they existed when they were on earth. You really can tell when something has passion and love behind it; it makes a world of difference.
True
Omg I didn't even notice that, the more I learn about Hazbin the more fantastic it is. A shame it only got so little episodes for season 1 and had to be rushed
Also the detail that Vox speaks faster than Alastor, who speaks slowly and clearly, because in TV people can afford speaking quicker than radio hosts.
It makes sense ones a series that has taken years to come to its full potential with characters painstakingly designed through real life experiences…and the other is a greedy corporate cash grab relying on nostalgia
Sad but true. 100% true.
Wish had genuinely good ideas at first, but yeah executives forced them to make changes for the worst.
Yeah, its unfortunate but true 😢
@@brandonlyon730 I know. We could have had the Disney equivalent to Team Rocket, but instead all we got was another half-baked strawman for a villain.
he said hazbin hotel isnt trash. Funniest thing I've seen this year
Hell's Greatest Dad alone is better then anything Disney has made in years.
God I listen to that song when I sleep at night.
Look like you could need some help.
Hell forever whatever you like it or not! _guitar soled_
Hell's Greatest Dad is basically a song duet of Genie vs Dr. Facilier in style. Even Alastor's colors during the song are bright pinks, purples and greens!
@@Kitsunekone Yeah, the guy playing Lucifer is clearly doing a Robin Williams impression and I think he killed it.
Hazbin Hotel intentionally made you hate their Valentino character on purpose, while Wish had a Valentino character that was accidentally made unlikeable that people hated
Yes! I’m glad I’m not the only one who noticed. A talking goat meant to be comic relief, yet ends up just being annoying versus a moth demon pimp who abuses his employees, and is intended to be a hateable villain.
HH managed to make all the villains cover different roles. You have Alastor who you should hate but like, Adam you who love to hate because he's so entertaining, Valentino who you hate hate, and Vox/Velvette who you hate by proxy but don't really do anything too terrible.
I fear I like valentino, I despise his actions and if he was real I'd sprint in the other direction, but when he's 50000000 miles away from angel dust he's a pretty funny character
@@alphabloodpaw3233he has a cool design but other then that, he isn’t the best.
The solution is simple: hire songwriters who actually have experience in musicals.
Like, thats literally what the problem was with Wish. The songwriters they hired had experience in writing for musicians, but not for musicals. And yes, there is a big difference in the general vibe of musical numbers vs songs.
Also they were only given three weeks and weren’t shown the script or movie. They just got a vague description of what is happening, which explains why none of the songs have any meaning and they all sound rushed
@@kingseawolf1013 wait whered you get this info from? im curious
Plus, most of the Hazbin hotel voice actors were in musicals!
@@kingseawolf1013 wait where did you learn this?
@@ouuma ua-cam.com/video/7E2SJp1XmTc/v-deo.htmlsi=YVIlFSwfBw2zwphj
When an animated adult demon show does better than Disney 😂
Probably because the adult show is made by musical nerds and wish was made by people that just want there paycheck
I despise musicals as much as I despise romance films and romcoms, but clearly the true reason on why Hazbin Hotel is objectively better than WB Studios and Disney is because Viziepop puts true passion into her work@@juliaboskamp9666.
Even The Owl House is better than Disney.
@@multiverse_media2023
…while also being cancelled by Disney. It truly *is* better than them!
@@Kayta-Linda
And better than Miraculous, a show that Disney is focusing on rather than all their other better shows like Big City Greens, Moon Girl and Hailey’s On It.
"Disney would be powerless without their community".
I could legit make a shert of lyrics for Disney and Hazbin as Vox and Alastor
"Oh, Please!"
@@Rockabye_BillyAnd here's the sugar on the cream; their voice actors have joined our team!
@@annaplaysandsings HELP- 😭
@@annaplaysandsings we said yes and now they're happy that's the tea
Vivienne was very, very passionate about making Hazbin and Helluva.
Indie shows are made out of passion, love, and pride.
Big studio musicals are made for money.
Very well put
On point
Sounds like Disney needs to say hello to the new status quo
Disney is Vox and Alastor is everyone else lmao
Well yeah ofc, everyone knows that there's a brand new dawn
This is fucking perfect
@@grunch610 mine as well turn the TV on
@@XaviHaunts"welcome to the show"
Finally, someone who sees the good in Hazbin Hotel. I feel like I was losing my mind because people were saying how it objectively sucked. Good to know there are other people with me on this
I've been praising Hazbin Hotel since the original pilot episode.
I was a person who didn't like it at first not like those dumb twitter stands but just didn't find interesting and made dumb jokes to my sister but she was was always interested in it even when the pilot came out and when it came on prime she was excited and on that day i came in her room behind her while watching and i just decided to give it a watch now i like it the plot, the charcters, and of course the songs so yeah that's what happened and now she has me and our mother hook on both helluva boss and hazbin hotel
@@Matthewgaming20 I wasn't into it originally either, but my brother was a huge fan. I'd watched the pilot and it wasn't my cup of tea, probably due to me being uncomfortable with the themes of the show at the time. But now I can appreciate them much more. Sad that other people just wanna hate on this show though
It’s flawed and I enjoy critiquing it with other fans, but its good far outweighs its bad in my opinion and I found it to be a very enjoyable series!
It definitely has major flaws but the characters ,Animation, and songs more than made up for it.
Hell's Disney Princess upstaging real Disney princess will always be amusing. I'm really proud of and happy for Vivzi for sticking to her biggest wants for the show: it has to be a musical and the characters have to keep their core traits. She was able to surround herself with like-minded people who all had the same goal and loved the characters and world enough to do them well.
I don't feel like it got enough episodes to accomplish everything it wanted to, but how much it managed to accomplish in 8 episodes is BECAUSE it's a musical. Music has a narrative function [normally] that allows a lot of information to be introduced and processed within a short time frame. I hope they get more episodes for season 2 because they have so much more to show us.
Yeah it was originally meant for around 16 episodes but Amazon cut it down to 8
@@gustavofring5674that is a bit of a bummer
@@gustavofring5674 8 episodes are way too short for a season 1 or a series
@@gustavofring5674 considering how it's been a blowout hit for Amazon, hopefully it'll mean season 2 will have more episodes.
Well, if you'd like to know it was confirmed to have a season 2.
I love how they basically changed Charlie’s core beliefs. Because we all have core beliefs but there will be times when those core beliefs will be challenged, questioned and even changed. And what I like about Charlie’s character is that she’s allowed these challenges, questionings, and changes which allowed her to develop as a character. And it’s okay to be wrong. It doesn’t mean you’re stupid or bad or inferior. Characters are allowed to be wrong and have flaws. In the beginning, Charlie is privileged, sheltered and naive about the world around her and that’s what makes her likable. Charlie’s core belief was that “everyone has good in them and are redeemable” but then it changes to “anyone can change but not everyone will”. Redemption is a choice and something you would have to want. And not everyone would want to. Charlie is right about people like Angel Dust and Sir Pentious being deserving of second chances but when she met Valentino, she realizes that not everyone is worthy of forgiveness or second chances. At first, Charlie was naive, but as the series progressed and her beliefs were challenged, she became wiser. And when the meeting with the seraphims goes about as well as expected (which not at all), and was basically her last chance to resolve some things, she is at her lowest and doesn’t know if she can believe in anything anymore. So then, with Alastors knowledge, the only other option left is to defend her home with all the weapons and allies she can gather. Charlie is also allowed to be scared, vulnerable, and in need of being lifted up just like how she did for everyone since the beginning. Charlie is truly an inspiration of a flawed character who is actually likable alongside the other cast of characters.
Meanwhile, Asha’s core beliefs were “everybody deserves to have their wishes granted” to “everybody deserves their wishes granted”. This made Asha’s character bland and unlikable. She was never challenged with her core beliefs nor did she ever once questioned if she was right or wrong. In fact, Asha wasn’t allowed to be wrong or have any flaws besides “she cares too much”. Okay? And? That’s it?
Hazbin hotel is what would happen if a Disney movie was rated R and you also have a Disney princess in hell which is brilliant.
Perfectly said my good man.
For your efforts, you get a star: ⭐️
@@KwithacaptialK thank you 🤩
In general, an important joke is that all the main characters of Hazbin have their own signature style of music. This is especially noticeable in the song "Hell is Forever" - Charlie has the melody of a straight classic Disney (perhaps the birds will soon come to kiss her on the top of her head), which is contrasted with Adam, whose music is rock.
Yes, Angel Dust is pop music, Alastor is classic jazz, Husk is soul jazz, Vaggie is rock ballad, Carmilla is flamenco, Pentious is ballad(?), Velvette is pop rap/modern hip hop, Lute can be rock as well but her style is more like Evanescence which is gothic metal, and Lucifer is Tin Pan Alley/ballad.
Not just rock. But Christian rock
not really, sort of the opposite seeing as adam would certainly not be getting into heaven if he was just a regular human and not THE man
@@OL3THR0S I’m actually pretty sure it got on top 10 or something on Christian Rock somehow 💀
@DarkShadowAJ song name?
I will say it’s definitely not the song writers’ fault that the music turned out bad in Wish. According to an interview they had very little information about the story and only two weeks to write each song. Meanwhile Hazbin had a much better pipeline and more time for development. So there was bound to be a big difference.
Disney exes, you are the villains here.
Yeah. In constrast I heard about someone called to contribute to a Helluva Boss episode. They managed to write and PERFORM their own song! I wonder what the backstory behind that is.....
@@DrawciaGleam02 tom cardy? I know he wrote + sang one of the short songs in s2e7
@@somedragonbastard
Yes!!! That's him!
I hope we get the backstory of writing that song someday! It'd be nice to compare it to the stories of the Wish songwriters!
@@DrawciaGleam02 if you haven't, I recommend checking out his other songs, hes on youtube and his stuff is really good
How does that explain all the other bad songs Julia wrote in her career?
Disney: YOU TRAITORS
Keith David,Stephanie Beatriz,Jeremy Jordan: 👁👄👁
Was going to ask about jeremy before remembering vivan. XD
I mostly think of his death note songs though i love his vivan songs too.
@@MysticMae21lol vivan?
@@mocha-the-froggi I think that's his name.
From tangled adventures
@@MysticMae21 wasn't his name varian lol
@@mocha-the-froggi maybe?
I never watched the show, just the songs.
I got close either way. XD
It’s hilarious that a animated show about Hell and sins for 16 year olds with inappropriate songs is wayyyy better than most of Disney’s songs and surprisingly most of the movies that Disney released, Hazbin Hotel is just goated
Bruh the show for emo drama kids is better than Disney 😭
Even helluva is better than wish
It’s not for 16 year olds
This is not for kids XD@@colonelcorn9500
@@claucara-joanjettfan3984Well its not for kids :/
If you put “All I really want is just a little respect” and “You better SHOW SOME RESPECT!!” in the same room, I think it’s clear which one wins lol
Respectless tops the existence of wish alone
Check your behaviorrr😭💅🏻
@@Arys3.e NO ONE SPEAKS TO ZESTIAL THAT WAYYYYYYYYYY
@@RainCityWhispers Did you expect us
To sit back and take your insolent brazen DISPLAAAAYYY!!@@MrHumannnn
Haven’t even watched Hazbin Hotel, but just listening to the songs-I learn so much about the story and personalities of the characters singing them. Like that one song More Than Anything, which shows Lucifer is this guy that is clearly suffering some kind of trauma at having his wild ideas blow up in his face, with his angel family turning their spears at him and this single moment of soul crushing rejection and failure lead him to fear that his daughter was heading down the same road. But Charlie is this girl who found people she wants to risks it all for. And so the father decides to be proud of her for standing her ground.
Or like that one song, It Starts with Sorry-Charlie is someone who is so open to giving anyone a chance that she makes the guilty guy cry, asks those around her to have empathy-to remember that they’ve been there before and would have wanted a second chance-and *succesfully* gets them to abandon killing the snake. And because of that, the snake get the chance to apologize and start the road to redemption. She has the characteristics of a leader, and the kindness of heart to change those around her for the better.
Like it’s actually so cool how good the songs are at storytelling. I haven’t seen all the songs, but when there’s singing, it’s rarely wasted. The song and the visuals always tell something.
Wanna know the funny part? IT STARTS WITH SORRY ISN'T EVEN THE BEST SOMG IN THE SHOW!!! there have been many places where the songs were ranked, it starts with sorry usually doesn't even get that high of a ranking, yet it still tells the story perfectly for someone who hasn't even watched the show yet GODDAMN!!!
And then there's wish...
It Starts With Sorry is hella underrated, I'm glad to see it's getting some love!
@@anonymoose6703 true 👍
That’s the best kind of musical (where the songs move the plot along) and I think the ones that AREN’T like that are the ones that make ppl say they hate musicals. Where they STOP the story so the characters can sing about something happening right in front of them that the audience already knows. And the song has no important character moments/new info in it, just a rehash of everything we already know which makes the audience wish they’d just shut up and keep going. It’s like if someone was reading you a book and every time you got to a good part they closed the book and made you listen to a 3 minute song before continuing
i'm gonna be honest you nailed it on the head with your descriptions. that's exactly what's happening, and you're correct
I think most people miss the message with Hazbin. It's like Ratatouille: everyone CAN change, but not everyone WILL change. Redemption is active choice. You need to WANT to change, then COMMIT to changing.
yeah
that’s true..
(edit: if only if twitter & other social medias will listen to this type of message😑)
Like Sr. Pentious! He genuinely wanted to be redeemed. AND HE DID.
@@joshuagonzalez4183 It's honestly crazy how media literacy just absolutely fell off a cliff. Unless something is literally spelt out to people, it's impossible for them to pick up at all.
@@youtube-kit9450 IKR?!,they acting like viv just murdered their family or something,so I don’t get why ppl are still treating viv if she was the worst known person in the goddamn world even though there’s far worse ppl that are way more infamous than her!!..
You better show some respect! Check your behavior! No one speaks to zestial that wayyyyyyy
I bet disney wishes that hazbin hotel stayed gone
Oh my god😂
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Vivzie made a better disney princess than Asha. Charlie is a strong female character done right. Yes she is naive and she just lets her people push her around, but that's because she's sheltered and sees the world in black and white and think kindness would fix everything. She acknowledges this and apologizes to Angel Dust for not realizing the severity of his situation. She is flawed, yes, and keeps trying to fix everyone else's problems except her own like husk said. The way she sees the world is different but her intentions are noble. Imagine being born in literal hell and staying kind and happy? We all could never
Totally agree. The reason no one likes Asha as a character coz she has no personality or flaws. The only personality that Asha has is her quirkiness. And her other flaw that “she cares too much.” Yeah sure Charlie does the same thing but it’s not annoying.
Right, I agree. My only issue with Charlie is that the show (and herself) both try to imply and *actively say* it is Charlie's destiny to be the leader of hell. Which it is, in a nepotistic take, but I found embarrassing that the MC proclaimed it was their role to be leaders when never did they show the ability to lead (literally every character got comforted by someone else) and didn't even learn anything to truly lead.
Cannibal Town didn't even count because it wasn't about Charlie learning to convince people, but actually trying the same proved mostly useless singing method that "It never works" "But it'll work here", which is the only reinforcement that it is her destiny to lead others...
Felt quite off that the season ended like that, but Charlie still has a lot of room to learn more things through next seasons while Asha will never learn anything.
@@Anonymous__S I think part of what makes Charlie's situation work though is that she clearly *isn't* ready to be a leader by S1's end. I saw the last two episodes as more building the foundations with her realizing and accepting that she's been forced into a leadership role (ready or not). Rallying Cannibal Town behind her is more a lesson of self-confidence and accepting responsibility than learning to lead or persuade. Corny as it is, both are fundamental to good leadership.
i think she sees in NOT in black and white
Yeah. Charlie is a woman with naive soul and doesn't understand her true strength. During the S1, the reality caught up to her; she has been forced awake from the cute protected sunlit garden. Now, she has to walk the path with mud puddles, broken glasses and deadly traps, on her own feet, if she wants to continue her dream. She's finally standing on the doorway of becoming a true powerful leader. But I don't see anything like this is Asha, she does now grow up. Rather, her childish motives are enhansed by the Star and are used like a puppet. You can see it the most when the Star comes down. It's really scary.
The event at the Cannibal Town was, I think, done to teach her that people are different and require different ways to reach. Her singing didn't work for others, so she gave it up altogether. But Madam knew the residents likes singing ...impling that Charlie is careless about gathering information, the very first thing you need to do to convince someone. She kinda learned this with Angel but are still less careful and still isn't as much as she should be. Maybe it will come back to haunt her in later seasons hehehe. Also agree on the "lesson of self-confidence and accepting responsibility" part. She's a princess of hell, she's been saying that and she wants to act like it. So she needs to act like one when the time comes, and her preference won't matter then.
The worst part of her is that she sees everything in rainbows with a twist of unicorns and candy rains. But in any case, very good show. I wish Alastor would step on me.
Keith David had one of my favorite Disney villain songs with “Friends on the other side” and then he had an amazing song in Hazbin Hotel with “Loser baby”.
Do find it interesting that in Princess and the Frog Keith’s character was a guy that used voodoo, shadows, and was from New Orleans. And now his character Husk in Hazbin Hotel is controlled by Alastor who seems to use shadow magic, has little voodoo looking shadow puppets, and is from New Orleans.
Ironically series what has best villain songs today is My Little Pony Friendship is Magic.
And I'm serious! This series is loaded with amazing villain songs, but tend to go under radar due to expectations.
This Day Aria
Say Goodbye to the Holiday
Open Up Your Eyes
Under Our Spell
Unleash The Magic
We Will Stand For Everfree
The Midnight In Me
All are top tier stuff!
@@TheRezroeven tho g5 sucks its best songs and those that are actually good are also villain songs
Generally don't understand how this is the thanks I get screwed up
@@meriewanderer I just point out that there is a reason why best stuff is in side series. Where Hasbro was not interfering with creators.
Haven't tought about that!
Very interesting.
Vivzepop did disney better than disney (but rated R)
vivzie deadpool'd disney
It’s Disney meets Deadpool.
Charlie was literally 95% Disney Princess, just she was allowed to swear :P
@@regiman222 True.
And ironically Charlie felt more like thrice the authentic Disney princess than the so-called "princess" of Wish.
as a Hazbin hotel fan I feel so happy that the music was recorded as amazing
Don’t let twitter see this, those mfs act like hazbin hotel killed their grandma
“ITS BECAUSE HAZBIN HOTEL KILLED MY GRANDMA, OKAY?”
@@devillinyourarea”my uncle broke his neck watching Helluva Boss once 😔”
@@devillinyourarea"how did hazbin hotel kill your grandma? What episode was she watching?"
@@grunch610 “I was the one watching”
@@thenyan3095And i need u now tonight🎵🎶
Another thing about Stayed Gone is that it’s like a DUET between VILLANS which is something that’s rarely done and it worked so well
It was hilarious too
@@Sofia-k7m2oand one is just more competent for roasting people
Something I've seen people saying that the Italian VA's for Alastor and Vox are brothers, so they even sound like a sibling squabble
Magnifico could’ve been more interesting if they went with the original idea of making the Queen just as evil as he was. Imagine a Disney villain duet song.
Yeah, it would be extremely interesting, but sadly, modern Disney decided that women can not be evil
@@TheBLBrothersso I guess u haven't watch obi one,the marvels,wandavision, doctor strange 2. All those movies and shows suck but they all still show women being villans.
@@TheBLBrothers don't forget Asha was going to have a romantic interest with a magical boy, but Disney decided that love means weak women...
@@Pelican07.23 Even Ursula in the little mermaid live action remake was allowed to remain evil despite all the attempts to downplay the evil with other Disney villains in the live action remakes. I may not be a fan of the little mermaid remake (and this is from someone who is usually more fair with some of the remakes) but it’s refreshing Ursula was allowed to remain hammy evil like in the original.
@@CixzagI call dat B freaking S. Elemental has a love story and it was cute. And Hazbin hotel has romance in it too.
Hazbin was meant for youtube originally, yet it's better than disney's movie BY FAR despite the huge budget difference.
You hit the nail on the head - Disney has forgotten how to make a musical and relies heavily on nostalgia for past films to fill seats! Meanwhile Vivzie had to cultivate a fan base for a brand new IP and pay close attention to the quality of her product: as a result, she wound up creating a classic Disneyesque musical better than anything Disney has made in recent years!
You know you messed up when a controversial show about Hell and Demons is better than your safe and kid friendly movie about the concept of wishing.
Moral of the Story? Take more risks. Who cares if you get cancelled? You're doing better than most out there by taking that chance.
Hey at least the demons and Charlie’s friends are far more interesting than people of Rosa and generic seven dwarves.
@@Muna-Jlore0997 Facts.
Or… do not alienate your fans. For the longest time, Disney was the “conservative” one of the 3 major cartoon/kids channels. Cartoon Network and Nickelodeon would allow swear words on occasion, but Disney was supposed to be the most conservative of the 3.
Also, they got too big for their britches and decided to deviate from their roots (cartoons with clear, black and white morals).
@@ArtemisRahl15 That too.
I'd say Hazbin Hotel has pretty accepted morals about redemption and if you look over the swearings and violence, its message is to me very consensual.
The form is what makes it interesting and new but the message is overplayed. You don't need to go on trying to "trigger" anyone to get attention, you just need to make something worth watching.
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even though I have not watched the wish one think I understand about a musical is when its on screen people can connect with the person singing something hazbin hotel delivers while wish fails at doing so.
For being a bad song, “Thanks I get” is the best song in the movie
And some how it makes the movie even wrose is this song is the best one .
This song is also somehow reveals human nature of taking all the good things for granted. This guy created his own kingdom, make it safe and prosperous (didn't look poor and miserable to me at least), and on top of that, he's even granting wishes from time to time, for free! And this is the thanks he gets...
Knowing what I know now is okay I think its the best song still would be the worst song if it was in hazbin though even below welcome to heaven or whatever it takes
@@VelvetteSimp the worst song in my opinion of hazbin is whatever it takes then it starts with sorry welcome to heaven is actually good but compared to hells greatest dad, stayed gone and other absolute bangers it is ok
I like Knowing What I Know Now best.
I've been ACHING for a comparison between these two since Hazbin released.
Same!
Right?! ❤
Same. *HAZBIN FOREVER*
I love how Stayed Gone is, like, mirrored. the second half of the song is like the first half just reversed, the only difference is the first half is vox's perspective and the second is alastor's, and I'm not sure I've ever seen a song structured like that so specifically.
you have started my unstoppable hazbin obsession
thanks a lot michael.
Disney got out-Disney'd on their 100th anniversary by an adult indie cartoon that's essentially about the invention of purgatory
What a time to be alive
it's crazy that in hazbin, one of the protagonists has a more threatening villain song than the actual villains
which song?
@@Misdrex stayed gone
Let's be fair, Alastor is the most terrifying thing in Hazbin Hotel. This guy strives to be at least disturbing in each of his appearances. If I had to compare him to a Disney villain, it would be Ratigan. Yes, I know, he's not the one we think of when we say "disney villain", but it's for a simple thing: Ratigan's motivation is to be evil. The first thing he does once announced as Prince Consor is to impose a tax on the elderly, children and the disabled. Alastor is the same: he loves being evil and savors every moment. Like the dentist in Little Shop of Horrors.
Music here:
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Honestly, it's Alastor if he had become a dentist instead of a serial killer.
but Alastor is a villain. a great one, we can't even read their true intentions. we only know that he is bad and doesn't fears anything.
he laughs at the face of the devil himself. literally.
@@waltermelo1033 I would argue he's afraid of whoever has him "on a leash" as Husk said, and also Zestiel to some extent since his appearance made Alastor nervous and he switched to his "best behavior" the moment the guy arrived. Aside from those two people, however, yea he just smiles and laughs at everyone else. Him poking and prodding Lucifer was hilarious.
In fact some songs on Hazbin Hotel, especially Charlie's ones give me those vibes of Disney songs like Happy Day in Hell.
I would say that most of the characters have their own style in their songs. Like jazz for Alastor, slut pop for Angel, disney princess songs for charlie, rock for Adam etc.
@@miafiolekova5817Wtf is slut pop?
@miafiolekova5817 I like how each song fits the characters' personality and how they portrays it. It's honestly a great show with really good music.
Happy Day in Hell reminds of me of Belle. Disney couldn’t do that.
@@miafiolekova5817 today I learned that “slut pop” is a musical genre
Ngl you earned a like from me at 1:35 , didn't even had to question should I continue watching the video.
Can we be friends
This is why i love indies, they show the passion of certain individuals that big companies like disney or pixar just doesnt have anymore. Say what you want about VivziePop but she really cares about her work and it shows
It's always the "upstarts" who do experimental stuff. Like walt disney himself. But the legacy, when it settles often become stagnant.
I have full respect for indie animation. There are so many good ones:
Murder drones
Helluva boss
The amazing digital circus
Ramshackle
And more.
Corporate companies…………😑😑😑😑😑
Disney is being dunked on more than a undertale player trying to no hit sans while blindfolded
46 seconds and this comment ALREADY GOT A LIKE?!?
Another undertale fan here. Love this!
Merg could do it.
Suddenly I'm reminded of that guy who beat Hollow Knight blindfolded
The muscle memory gained from that experience will turn you into Frisk.
The worst part is that Be careful what you wish for is also the tag line of Coraline
and 'Into the Woods'.
"Be careful what you wish for" has been a common proverb for a long long time. The full phrase is "Be careful what you wish for because you just might get it", meaning that our immediate desires may not be what's best for us.
Disney literally did the opposite of what they’re doing.
Man it is sad that Coraline has the same tag line of that mid movie.
That’s why I love indie projects, they’re just full of love
I love how you used stayed gone as the example, the whole reason it's my favorite song is because the difference in it instead of two people going together in a song they're against each other, and then it also has like what 2 or 3 different tunes, it also gives backstory and some in-depth of both the characters, it's amazing
the fact that this isn't even the first video i've seen that uses hazbin hotel as a herald of the rise of indie animation taking over the entertainment landscape... i'm also surprised that the sheer quality of the music didn't come into play, like idk wtf that magnifico "song" was supposed to be but it was grating and didn't have a cohesive melody, whereas the hazbin songs are very much in the disney _tradition._ especially "happy day in hell" and "you didn't know," they feel like traditional musical fare (and it probably helps that they got broadway musical alums to do the voice acting instead of just throwing big celebrity names like chris pine at the audience). there's a couple of clunkers in there - i'm not a fan of anything carmilla sings - but the overwhelming majority of the soundtrack is just banger after banger, they've got middle school kids who aren't even allowed to watch the show singing the songs. this adult animation literally stole disney's audience on music quality alone.
Exactly! Also, Hazbin has big names on it but they dont use it as a pushing point to get people to watch. It's more of a "holy shit i recognize that voice" when watching
@@Si1vercherryIt's the same as with Hazbin's sister animation Helluva Boss. As the series has progressed the production value has gone steadily up and they don't skimp on the voice actors. The season 1 finale had to be delayed quite a while because Ke$ha was voicing Beelzebub. The season two mid-season musical has several songs, one of them is a love song between Alex Brightman (Beetlejuice from Beetlejuice the musical) and James Monroe Iglehart (who played Genie in the Broadway production of Aladdin). It's absolutely delightful.
@@helenanilsson5666 yup! Alex Brightman is definitely one of my favorite stage/voice actors
its me,im the middle school kid
@@helenanilsson5666 Alex Brightman is also the voice of Adam in HH
Vizie putted effort in her show because she was passionate about those characters,about the story and she spent the last of decade sharing this love with us,promoting it and she knows that we waited a lot of time for watching this show,and she busted her ass to make this show wonderful. Disney doesn't give a fuck about it's viewers,they already know that with every movie,no matter how much it's shit, they already know they are gonna get a certain amount of money.
Yeah despite some flaws with her shows she shows passion with her work which is what I love about her shows
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Vivzie has my full respect. 😄👍
Disney…. 😑😑 what about them??
I think Charlie is also really similar to Rapunzel from Tangled, both from the hair and personality. Both are really kind and naive, wanting to see the good in everyone. They even both sing about having a dream lol.
For real Hazbin Hotel is a better celebration of Disney's legacy than Wish is supposed to be. There's a bunch like all the ones you mentioned but the one that's especially ironic is Lucifer. Disney scrapped all the creative team's ideas for the star to be an actual talking character in Wish for fear of him being too similar to the Genie in Aladdin. Meanwhile Jeremy Jordan said he used the Genie as his inspiration while voicing Lucifer, and the animators for his solo in Hell's Greatest Dad make nods to him too which, I didn't even notice ANY of that because of how unique Lucifer is even while directly referencing Genie. Seriously, I thought nah the Hell's Greatest Dad similarities are probs just surface level reaching till I saw side by side Genie and Lucifer use puppets, slot machines, and magically serve food while singing in a fake French accent. Like what a perfect example of paying tribute to something, and I already knew the golden fiddle was a reference to The Devil Went Down to Georgia too so it's fitting if Lucifer made other references
Now that you bring it up, it becomes the perfect way to properly put a nod to Robin Williams, who was a great Comedian, Singer, Actor and VA around. And a stand-up guy even at the end.
@@BrokensoulRiderTen years later, and Robin Williams’ death still hurts.
Robin Williams must be very proud.
I see the similarities between the Genie and Lucifer and I like it, inspiration is not plagiarism. The characters did not serve the same purposes in the show, don't have the same motivations, don't have the same stories. I agree with you, even disney references are better in hazbin hotel
Really hope success of hazbin hotel & helluva boss gets more adult animation projects green lit. Wish felt so G rated made the Snow White running thru spooky forest scene look more intense.
Luffy training with giant bears lions, tigers, and apes had way more intense natural scenes than Wish too.
If you want a tip for a good adult animation i would check out The legend of Vox Machina. That is a good one.
It's not because of nothing that most of the fandom has internally labeled Charlie as a Disney Princess in Hell.😊
I don’t even think Alastor wants to be redeemed, he would just see heaven as double hell since he can’t eat or kill anyone 😃
Usually I can't deal with musicals, but Hazbin Hotel is just so great that I honestly didn't mind any of the song. Actually Stayed Gone is just such a great song I listened to it ON PURPOUSE, that's bassically unheard of!
My boyfriend saw it and thought I would like it, and I was like 'eeeeeeeh, a musical?'
But I did watch it and I absolutely loved it - its got characters, story telling, and pulls on actual mythologies- and real villians/antagonists. Plus I just love 2D animation 😍
I play Stayed Gone to start my work day. It really helps.
I honestly don’t like musicals, but I do like hazbin hotel
Admittedly a wish sequel would be interesting. Show the consequences of granting everyone’s wishes and it would get interesting
Honestly I think that's the most interesting "Classic Disney" thing Disney could come out with right now: The first Disney sequel ever to be leagues ahead of its predecessor not leagues behind? A movie that says the last one's wrong that comes out within a few years of the original? I actually... might want to watch that
....If they have musical theatre people directing. It doesn't even have to be for every song, there can still be some pop! Just give us a real Disney Villain Song and maybe one "I want" or "I messed up" ballad.
I know that Hazbin Hotel had better songs than Wish
The only song I remembered in wish is At All Cost. It’s a love song. They couldn’t even allow that.
The only songs on the soundtrack that I liked enough to buy on iTunes are “This Is the Thanks I Get?!” and “At All Costs”.
@@Muna-Jlore0997 and the sad thing is that Hazbin still tops that with More Than Anything. Used in two types of love songs. First is between father and daughter. And later between a couple.
Wish used it with people and their own wishes.
I think I know the reason that visual and music wise, Hazbin hotel exceeded *FAR* OVER what Wish could ever be. It’s because of the time they had to actually think of stuff and the production styles of each piece of media. How Disney produces stuff, nowadays is they get writers to write something, and then they just quickly make all of that into a movie, then releases the final product and makes merch over and over again. Meanwhile, Hazbin hotel wasn’t jumping from movie to movie over and over again, they spent a whole four years developing everything in this musical, so they had much more time to think about it then Disney did. Plus, they weren’t focusing on making merch for Hazbin hotel, the only thing they were focusing on was the musical itself.
Plus if I remember right thx to the company they teamed up with it let’s them get hazbin out while helluva takes a while
The thing that hurts me the most about is not that It was effortless...It wasn't the first time Disney did something without putting heart in It, and the amount of live action movies they made proves it. What hurts the most is this: this movie was made as a commemoration of Disney's anniversay, 100th anniversary.
Very few companies could say to have reached a century of activity, and the film that has to resume Disney's career in all of it's glory... Is this.
And this is the thanks we get
I cannot stand live action movies. There is no heart in to it. Almost every live action is basically the same plot: girl boss trope. Bland villain story and so much more. And making wish may be their wasteful potential.
@@Muna-Jlore0997What? Live action is just another medium. There is nothing good or bad about it. I'm not sure what word you were trying to use, but live action ain't it.
6:13
Oh if people are watching this they know EVERY DETAIL of hazbin
For real
Actually, this video got me into Hazbin! I just wanted to see another person mock Wish, and didn't even care about Hazbin, but when I heard that "Welcome home," I was hooked. I decided to take the plunge, listen to Stayed Gone, and things spiraled.
No lie~~
@@alexandersean4708 this song got me into the hazbin hotel series too, it's sounds so good
@@alexandersean4708 similar events got me into the show as well
I'd rather watch a show with a million flaws that people actually care about than a perfect story created as a cash grab by a company. Heart in a project means so much, and Hazbin Hotel is so important to me in that way
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This is why I love indie animation. It’s so much better than the animation of bigger companies. I’m honestly disappointed by disney. It’s Hazbin that makes my life better! Thanks for this man! 😊
Edit 1: also I wanna say that musicals in the theatre production side is much better than all of these in my opinion. DONT COME AFTER ME-
11:09 Gotta love how he pirated wish but payed for hazbin hotel
I pirated Hazbin Hotel, not because I wanted to but because I wouldn't be able to watch it otherwise.
@HuIsker_the_barkeep I just watched streams on yt it was awful lol
@@TheDarkKitten what was awful, the show or the streams?
@@Husker_the_barkeep the streams of course, because there were only some parts of the video and half covered
I love the show
@@TheDarkKitten okay, I have been watching the videos to see UA-camrs reactions to the show, but I watched normally myself.
I didn't even need to watch the Video, that groan at the start told me everything I need to know
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That groan sounds like it could be the audio for the shot of shaggy looking like he is on crack
I liked the video because of this groan. It explains perfectly what he thinks, the rest is just details to convince us 😂
The pacing of this video is amazing! Honestly I was shocked when I realized this had under 1k views! Great video :D!!
Thank you so much!
Hazbin’s villain songs are legitimately insane. In a good way. Stayed gone, hell is forever and (technically) you didn’t know are all in my top 5 of the *16* songs. Hell is forever is my *favourite* song in the series.
Agree. These songs not only are catchy, but also show character's personalities. For example "Hell is forever" shows that Adam is very sadistic and enjoys slaughters sinners, while using fact that they're sinners as an excuse. This shows difference between him and Charlie - while Charlie symbolizes all of the 7 heavenly virtues, Adam symbolizes all of the 7 deadly sins.
Even some Hazbin hotel fan villain songs are very good. For example, Daisies and Insane by Black Gryph0n, Oh my God by Hazbin Hotel - VRChat, What a hellhole and Stayed gone (Lute and Lilith ver.) by MilkyyMelodies etc.
It's amazing how Hazbin Hotel has such good songs that I can't decide my top 3 and that's why the fandom went BOOM!
honestly, it makes a lot of sense for them to be so good. Because the living tombstone write most of them
@@Someduudeit’s honestly weird how they went from oh we just a channel who makes fan songs for games to we are known throughout the world because of our banger songs and we got a song into a theatrical release and we got hired by Amazon to write songs for their new show
I just saw Wish, and frankly, I'm glad I'm not the only one who felt like the animation was unfinished. And really, out of all of Wish's songs, only like 2 of them stood out to me (one of them was Magnifico's) mainly for the catchy rhythm they had, and I do believe that in "this is the thanks I get" it was meant to establish his more... greedy and power-hungry side, plus some scenes try to imply he's like that, on top of being a narcissist. I think him opening the song with him talking about his looks is meant to be like, "Why would anyone betray someone as handsome as me?"again implying him being narcissistic.
Meanwhile, Hazbin managed to achieve so much more in only 8 episodes, and despite the flaws it may have, it actually had more impact than Wish did. Hazbin didn't shy away from just having evil doods being evil doods they're in hell.. for a reason, after all.
In any sense, I thought Wish was just... ok. It's not the worst thing I've seen, but it's definitely not the best that Disney has to offer. It's just ok.
I feel there was not a single "ugly" or "flawed looking" character in Disney's "Wish", and in my personal opinion, that's one of the big overlooked reasons of what made "Wish" boring.
Disney background characters used to look so unique and diverse, and the villains used to look so cool in design and had several traits in their features that exaggerated them being sinister, scary and even playful.
King Magnifico being so handsome honestly makes me take him less seriously as a villain, if he was ugly yet confident like Yzma from "The Emperor's Groove" or couldve been anonymous by wearing a mask for most of the film, then maybe he would've had more charm to him.
@@torytellstales fr. Wish was so damn tame for it being Disney's 100th year anniversary movie. Marketed as a movie 100 years in the making, this is supposed to be a prequel to all the Disney movies. And it's just so.... mid
@dragoniccrab Right? I think they should've took a darker spin. Perhaps they couldve made the kingdom of Rosa's a utopia in only Asha's eyes and her "wish" is that she wants to get into this kingdom to cure her 100 year old Grandpa's illness, thinking this is where the land of magic is.
Hazbin is a Broadway musical. A lot of the cast have Broadway or theater backgrounds and it shows in how the songs are meant to move the plot forward.
Wish's songs were written by pop writers. They're not concerned with plot. Wish is not quite a jukebox musical but it really feels like it is getting close
I’m a huge fan of musical broadways. Wish on the other hand… why?? Yes, there are a few modern pop music in Hazbin hotel but it’s not out of place.
I feel sorry for the song writer. They didn't even let her see the movie beforehand and now all the internet is laughing at her. Yes the songs are hot garbage but what potential she might have had to make them better, disney took away
The thought of Disney collapsing kills my inner child. But it’s true….
Minor correction. In the conflict between Vox and Alastor 7 years prior Vox won. Though the way it is phrased in the show is that he almost lost to Alastor. Which is still to say that he won... but it was close. Thus Alastor retreated but Vox is still scared of having to fight him again. He may have had help beating him from the other Vees. But I also suspect that he was backed by someone like Alastor is. That is I think someone has the Vees souls and is boosting their power.
It's not actually confirmed tho
@@spinedotlazuli1120k Agreed. We only have Val's words to go on and the absence of Alastor for 7 years. Val stating that Vox almost lost could have been bragging. But we do know that something caused Alastor to go missing for 7 years.
My guess Vox won but in an event Allistor wasn't actually competing in.
I cannot express how much I love hazbin hotel. The lore, the fandom, the art style, the music, the details of little Easter eggs of past scrapped characters. Of course there’s flaws but i haven’t seen something that can pull so many things off
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Damn... I mean. Hmm ok
@@JustMeWith2amMotivation it’s a lil silly
I rewatched it like 4 times pretty much immediately after watching it the first time and I like fully pay attention when I watch things. Tbh I fully thought I wasn't going to like it much, btu watched it because a friend asked me to and it does look really cool visually. I also initially got freaked out by the musical aspect, but now I really enjoy it tbh.
@@pipecleanerrr a lil silly and then they sent threats and doxed someone for making a french version of Poison song😭
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I personally thought that the style change in Stayed Gone was supposed to show that even though Vox is evil(or tires to be) behind closed doors, he has to be apealing to the public eye to keep up his reputation and in order not to lose his viewers' trust and respect
It’s kinda both. In a way it’s displaying his personality while also connecting to the story
Im clearly a hater of musicals, but hazbin hotel is fire.
I get why sometimes they feel a bit dragged out but hazbin at least feels like a bit faster
also hazbin doesn't go "look at me, i've got gay characters, i'm so progressive you should love my conglomerate" like disney does nowadays
Yeah Hazbin Hotel just have gay characters but this is not the main element in the promotion and don't say that we should like just because it's gay
That's the thing, Hazbin was made by someone who is queer so you know all of the LGBT characters in the show are all genuine. With Disney it's just not. It feels cheap.
@@AedraRisingDisney has a gay character’s WHOLE character be gayness
Honestly i think that disney tries to bury their gay characters, rather than openly show them like you said.
One of Wade's siblings, the cop from Onward, the main character from strange world. They're all under a sheet of plausible deniability so disney can say that they have gay characters, while also keeping the money going from homophobic sponsors and countries. There's a reason why the owl house was cancelled despite being one of the most successful animated series I Disney history
@L-ghtlessSky I mean Stolas from Helluva Boss is also aggressively gay, but in a very... natural way. I guess spoken in metaphors in the Hellaverse the sexuality is a piece in the jigsaw puzzle that makes up a character, whereas with disney it feels like youve got a blank jigsaw puzzle with the sexuality-piece taped onto it to distract from the fact that THE ENTIRE PUZZLE IS BLANK
Greetings! I’m a musical theatre actor who has been training since I was 14 years old to become professional. I’m currently in numerous productions and conservatory (aka professional theatre college) I appreciate videos like this which point out a few things about how the musical genre works. Musicals are a story told through music and acting and ironically a lot of people forget that. Songs have a purpose otherwise they aren’t included because of time. Every song either is supposed to be a character driven song aka a song where we hear a characters personality/wishes and desires and goals, or a plot driven song, a song that drives the plot forwards and established key details or motifs. Only rarely do you have songs like “Be Our Guest” from Beauty and the Beast which is a showstopper fun number. I haven’t seen Wish but I definitely have checked out the music, and I genuinely feel disappointed. Magnifico genuinely in his song depressed me so much I had to take a moment to sit in silence to process what was really being projected into my eardrums. Villains typically get “I Am” songs, songs that establish them as a villain without diving deep too much into their wants or desires because that makes them more 2D and therefore harder to relate to. It helps flesh out the protagonist in comparison. But Magnifico’s song is so entirely bland and establishes what we supposedly already know and repeats so many times that it’s not innovative enough to actually establish his character all that well. It also doesn’t show off what he’s like as a threat. If we look at Poor Unfortunate Souls for an example, we get that Ursula is evil. We see that. And we generally know her deal before the song.
However, the song illustrates how dangerous she is, how cunning she is, her mastery of manipulation which is a common thread from that moment onwards in the story and is key to the climax where we have the final fight. Magnifico just seems like some guy…almost as if they wanted him to be quirky like Asha but terrifying and imposing and couldn’t seem to pick so they waffled back and forth. What we’re left with is nothing because it doesn’t enhance anything so we’re right back where we started. You could cut the song entirely and you’d still be left with knowing what kind of person Magnifico is and what “threat” he poses. 😂😭
This comment is pure facts. King Magnifico's villain song's only purpose is to tell you how soulless and badly written the villain is. Where did the budget even go?
It makes me so happy how hazbin hotel is made with so much love and it is easy to notice in the series, even the voice actors enjoy a lot to be part of the show and have a "connection" with the characters they play. I've seen the cast meetings and it's so nice how they get along so well and it's noticeable how they love the project
One thing that makes hazbin hotel character design awesome in my eyes is that each character has an alignment they follow
Like charlie is chaotic good, vagi’s lawful neutral, alastor’s lawful chaotic (follow’s a code but no one can tell what in h*ll it is)
While other shows don’t seem to go as in depth with the designs and allignments, like how you mentioned that you couldn’t tell if the dude was a jock who needed help or a maniac who needed to be beaten
Just makes hazbin hotel feel more real and engaging to me
King Magnifico - Charismatic, yet awful king
Alastor - Horrifying, yet fascinating radio host
I think the real issue with Wish is concept first, story later
But the story never came
I got this video in my recommendations after I saw a Twitter screenshot of this video saying it was "trash". I disagree, I think this is a very nice passionate video.
Hazdin hotel is proof that their isnt no more storys to tell just theirs no more creative people getting the chances to tell them and I am glad to see that beginning to change
This is a good video. Hella underrated. Hazbin hotel is currently my hyperfixation and I LOVE musicals so I really liked this video
I actually remember finishing hazbin hotel first season and thinking to myself what the fuck Disney? The billion dollar giant that pioneered this industry of animation and musicals, and they spectacularly dropped the ball. The ball didn’t even touch any air. It went straight from their hands and teleported into the ground.
The production and quality of this video were amazing the editing and explanations were thorough enough for a full idea yet quick enough as to not drone on and on with unnecessary information. Keep up the great work!
As someone who loves Hazbin Hotel and seeing people dunk on wish, I adore this
Mid vs mid
@ FUN HATER!!!! WE HAVE A FUN HATER ON THE PREMISES!!!!! GUARDS, IMPREGNATE HIM
@Bunny_Bill I can tell your in middle school
@@Leafbranch1234 I am in college I'm sorry your fun and whimsy has left you
@Bunny_Bill bro is an adult and is watching kids shows🤦♂️
Looking forward to Lackadaisy joining the ranks of great independent animated series
Lackadaisy is gonna take a minute. But I am patient.
Release Date ??
@@sleepycat-zu4ck the best that I can find with Google is mid to late 2024. Crossing fingers, knock on wood
Human Vs Ai and the Humans win because what the wish was that monstrosity
AI can only do what it is programmed to, humans have boundless creativity
6:08 Stayed Gone is one of my favorite Hazbin Hotel Songs
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"and this is the thanks I get?"*cuteley kicks a head*💀💀💀
The main drawback I find with Hazbin Hotel is that they weren't given enough time. A series with a planned 16 episodes in the first season were only given eight, with a decidedly short runtime (the actual episodes lasted 20 minutes, not even up to the normal 24). Almost every single gosh darned problem the show has could be solved with double the runtime. The show runners, cast, animators, everyone working on the show showed they could do it with a genuinely hooking first season with less time than most modern films. The second season will be great, and hopefully they'll be given more time to breathe inbetween story arcs.
Yeah, the only thing bad about it was the pacing. That’s really my only criticism. And even then it gets nullified because animation is expensive.
@@Someduude yup same thing happen with Miraculous Ladybug cause the creator originally wanted it to be 2D but its expensive and aswell hard to animate Ladybug's suit patterns, plus one good thing that Vivzie did is stand on her ground to make Hazbin Hotel 2D instead of moving to 3D.
@@sarahzahira7432yeah real shame I kinda liked the 2-d animation a bit better mostly because it has anime aspects and I’m a big fan of anime wish we could’ve at least gotten one episode of a 2-d animation even if it’s short
@@levievil9220 i agree
Just realizing this channel only has 102 subs. WHAT? this was a very well done vid and analysis. 😊
Before this video really took off in the past 24 hrs, the channel only had 14 subscribers.
This entire video is actually a great representation of not only the times changing to better suit indie animation, but also shows the difference between love and greed. One show clearly was just made to try and make billboards, try and make money, while the other has so much love and passion put in that its hard not to respect it, even if you dont like the show and even with the many flaws it has(ugh pacing)
The pacing problem was completely Amazon's fault. They didn't give it enough episodes.
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ngl the songs in Hazbin Hotel are kind of addicting ''Hell is forever'' has been playing in my brain for the whole week