I think Sisyphus wouldve been much happier if there was a big number at the top of the mountain that incremented everytime he made it to the top, and then he could spend those points on fun stickers for the rock
There is a way Summoningsalt has with his videos that is the pinnical of speed run reviewers, like jcs is for criminal psychology and sociology, or devs react for highlighting thr differences between the programmer designer and the runner.
The musician life style is just pratice, pratice, pratice, go insane, and go to sleep everyday. We are making fun off speed running. It's the same life style for a serious musician who puts in the effort to become good at instrument. That's the cycle for at least 10 years, but I tried Doom speedrunning, and I don't know how people do it until they get a WR.
I like that the hypothesis of "gamma rays did it" has been applied to both the end Ordovician mass extinction event and also a weird glitch in a Mario 64 speedrun. Gamma rays really can do everything, apparently.
The most absurd thing I remember from speedrunning (as someone who only casually follows them on UA-cam) was the whole “Gamer Gunk” strategy runners were using in SpongeBob Battle For Bikini Bottom. For a while, it was believed that licking the cd at strategic spots would cause lag that would allow players to clip through some walls. I think they’ve moved on from doing that, but man it was weird.
not sure if the two are actually comparable. The critical difference is that Sisyphus' ordeal is something he MUST complete, he has no choice in the matter for it is his punishment. Speedrunners continue to grind and pursue greater records because they choose to.
Actually... why the hell does sisyphus actually does it? Like, he's in hell already, he could just say "fuck it" and give up, maybe he'd get punished but that would add a bit of variety to the torture. So like, is there a canonical reason why he does it anyway instead of going on a strike or something?
@@Laezar1 A. The Furies are so much worse. Even the monotony of the boulder is preferable to being a creative outlet for the nightmare torture demons*. B. It's a parable and "canon" isn't really such a big deal for it. It's an illustration of a moral lesson and a conceptual idea. The idea of literal canonicism is a fairly modern one. *The Furies aren't demons in the Christian sense but you get the idea.
@@BloodyAltima Yeah I know it's a parable, but like if you look at a myth like tantalus the punishment is something they have no control over. Sisyphus however feel like he could just give a middle finger to the punishment so I find interesting that it isn't even considered as an option in the myth (as far as I'm aware).
@@Laezar1 maybe he thinks he can actually do it? I don't know if that's part of the "official" myth but in the version I heard, following happened: After tricking the gods of death twice, some god decided to give him a fitting punishment and thus created the boulder task. "carry this boulder up this hill and you are free" Sisyphus was happy to have such a easy task as punishment and imagined himself to be free soon. Of course he would have to realize eventually that his task is impossible but in a Greek myth it is easily imaginable that his mind was corrupted. Another idea I had is that just nothing surrounds him so, just darkness and silence, no punishment (->he has nothing better to do). Also excuse bad englisch please
This or becoming rank 1 (best player) in any field. Climbing that mountain, watching the others slowly reach you and having to weather the storm until someone inevitably pushes you down the mountain. Then you have to climb the mountain once again.
Speedrunners aren't being forced, they can take breaks, and playing video games is not equivalent to torturously rolling a rock up a hill. They aren't really analogous
I remember seeing the "Speedlunky" achievement for Spelunky (finish in less then 8 minutes, no shortcuts) and thinking it impossible. I got addicted and now years later can run through the game in half that time yet am still far, far away from breaking any records!
I really have to respect anyone who has all the Achievements/Trophies in Spelunky HD and Spelunky 2. I have played Spelunky 2 several times a day since it was released at Steam and I still have not reached Sunken City. With Spelunky HD I have reached Hell maybe 5 times but I have never killed Yama. Both are surprisingly difficult games. I have 631 hours in Spelunky HD and 356 hours in Spelunky 2 and I still suck at both.
On my old, now lost account NintendoSegaSonyGuy, I used to speedrun Metal Gear Solid 3 as a teenager...or rather, I tried to. Could never do a complete segmented run. It was just too hard to get certain parts right, and it was too time-consuming and random-feeling to get there. I was better at coming up with strats than executing them. Some things I came up with are actually used in world record runs today, such as continuously shooting tranquilizers on the bridge guards at the beginning of the game or the fact that radio frequencies carry over after game overs or game console resets, which is helpful during the jail sequence. I'm proud of my accomplishments, however meager they may be, especially because I came up with them when I was so young.
I absolutely LOVE this video, I’m a Dark Souls speedrunner and I actually always named my character Sisyphus because of how repetitive the bkh reset is
The worst part about speed running is when a strategy becomes obsolete. But sometimes years later that old strategy could become viable again which is always cool to see.
I think it’s just interesting to see how far gamers can push the boundaries yet knowing we have lives and couldn’t imagine putting in so many hours to one certain thing so it’s fun to see it through someone else
I think what makes speedrunning more appealing is the fact that there is more to it than getting a perfect run or not. The prestige of being the first one to finish in under xx minutes or set the first record that uses a specific skip/strategy can be enough of a reward for trying over and over. Also, like we all know, its not only about the destination but about the friends, we make along the way. After all most speedrun communities I experienced are incredibly wholesome.
I think it's fun to either discover ways to break the game, or just watch people who've mastered the game flawlessly glide through a level. But all the speedrun jargon makes me groan.
This is why I like TAS videos. I know they take a lot of time to put together but they eliminate the wastefulness of runners going for a billion attempts just for that one miracle run where it all comes together. We all just want to see what the game can do, after all, so why cheer on the death of a man's hands for it?
Using the Myth of Sisyphus to frame the video is a fantastic idea and works really well! Thank you for the quality content! Also, eating meat out of the hot plate you used to get WR is such a power move, I love it :'D
Dude, this video is amazing. As someone who has experienced the pain of a long grind, literally everything you said is true and relatable. This is informative, deeply meaningful, I love the connections to greek mythology and Camus, its honestly everything I want to see from a video like this. I really can’t express how much I love this video. Keep up the great work, 10/10.
No, the leading theory for the SM64 upwarp is not a "Rogue Gamma Ray". DOTA_TeaBag has stated that his cartridge always had to be tilted in odd ways for the game to function. It's well known that cartridge tilts on SM64 games can have a lot of varying effects and this is thought to be one of them.
Veritasium has a video on how cosmic rays can flip bits and uses the SM64 upward as an example. Not saying it's right or wrong but cosmic rays can and do mess with computers. ua-cam.com/video/AaZ_RSt0KP8/v-deo.html
@@timeSlidrGaming You guys are still choosing to ignore Occam's Razor. A cosmic ray is an astronomically unlikely event and has never been recorded to happen any other time. A cartridge tilt is known to cause issues in SM64 games and is magnitudes more likely to be the cause of something like this.
I'm always impressed by how the speedrun communty works, like the amount of information every single runner has about game coding etc to be able to train the manipulation, I barely know base knowledge
Most runners do not know much on their own, its generational community knowledge and pillars of people who know the advanced workings to pull apart and share, most runners only know so much because others told them about Why doing X and Y magically causes you to skip half the game, rather than figuring it out from scratch
The idea that the first known use of ACE was early seasons brony content is honestly not surprising, that fandom basically led the charge in the evolution of the YTPMV With stuff like Avast Fluttershy’s Ass
My biggest problem w speedrunning is the time wasted. People can spend dozens or hundreds of hours to learn a single trick only for it to become obsolete by a new discovery. It ultimately shows that if you spent that time to become an engineer you could break any video game, which is usually the most time efficient way to find new tricks other than randomly doing things in a game you really like. I understand its all for fun and competitiveness and its their own time/life. But it reminds me of a skinner box and its ironic someone whos never even touched the game could find an exploit that makes all their "skill" obsolete. But to each their own, I guess.
@@zxylo786 Nothing could possibly bring "real" rewards or consequence. The richest man and the poorest man both end up as worm food in the end. Even if humanity persists for a billion billion years, at some point something is going to wipe us out, whether heat death or big crunch or our own stupidity. That's what nihilism/absurdism is; the realization that nothing matters. What you do with that information is up to you.
@@zxylo786 I'm going to answer the second paragraph first, since I think the answer is less interesting: I don't base my ideology on anything any particular person says, I looked up words for what I am and learned that nihilism is the name for it. My beliefs are based on the reality I observe; the universe seems to be meaningless based on all of my perceptions of it, so until evidence to the contrary appears that's what I'll believe. But now for the more interesting part. What makes those short term rewards you mentioned "real"? I swear I'm not trying to be contrary, I genuinely don't understand why people put their instinctual desires on a pedestal and act like they "matter" somehow. I am a mass of atoms, a computer made of meat. I am programmed to like certain things and dislike certain things, but that programming is based on the iterative process of natural selection; on whether the behaviors that those likes produce are useful for reproduction, not whether they are "real." Why should I pretend my existence has more value than, say, a random insect's, or a piece of art, or a stone at the bottom of the ocean? I value myself subjectively based on my instinct to self-preserve, but that instinct isn't any "realer" than any other reason. There's no truth value to it; I can say "I exist," that's demonstrable. "I matter" is merely a statement of opinion. I hope that we can have a real friendly discussion about this, since I find this sort of thing interesting. I don't think either of us are going to convince the other (saying you find nihilism stupid doesn't make me confident, but I can definitely admit that I find non-nihilism stupid as well, heh heh), but I hope the back-and-forth can at least be entertaining to read.
absurdism is an excuse for the weak to shirk off the responsibility and moral accountability that they know they have. something they tell themselves for comfort so they can do whatever they please as their own soul rots away
@@shawcrow5780 "Morality is an excuse for the weak to ignore the terrifying pointlessness of their own existence." So how easy it is to turn something around? If you want to convince someone of something, try having an actual argument.
Great overview video. The parallel universes and the snake game in Mario are definitely great infamous stories. Especially in the arbitrary code execution is great example how hard IT security is, e.g. when you want to train AIs in virtual environments.
Good and well structured video. The last thing you said nailed the point. The goal in the end will be having a carved in stone record as it will one day have a point where it can't be beaten anymore.
I am so pleased that this video randomly popped up in my recommended. This is INCREDIBLE work, man. Subbed, rang the bell, and even loved it enough to comment. Please keep up the excellent work!
This would have been a perfect video is you have mentioned that people used Arbitrary Code Execution in Ocarina of Time to do a credits warp in Paper Mario 64 using Stop and Swop.
Speedrunning is so fascinating to me, because besides all the intrigue, the creativity, and the mindless dedication and perseverance.... in essence it's about the goal of turning a human into as much of a robot as possiblel. Spending years of your life attempting to do one thing that a computer can do flawlessly every run, is just, a ridiculous concept, but boy is it fun to watch and gawk at.
Interesting take, I love me some Camus and love watching speedruns. I think speedrunning is in a way a sport, or at least in the way that it could be seen as absurd as well. I played baseball in high school, and was a pretty good pitcher, though not enough to play past that level. It was the same grind day in and day out, all with knowing in the end it didn't really matter. Never made it past the 2nd round of the playoffs, and started the grind again the next year, but climbing that hill includes some very fond memories to me, much as I imagine it does for speedrunners.
I loved your video, then I heard Shostakovitch's waltz and loved it even more. Couldn't believe when I saw how many subscribers you had. The analogy between Sisyphus and speedruning is striking, awesome content overall
"The fate of Sisyphus parallels speedrunning..." Dude, the fate of Sisyphus parallels the story of ALL OF HUMANITY. Every step SINGLE step forward we've taken in our ENTIRE HISTORY has made old things easier or made them obsolete so we have time for newer things. It's like in a show when an old master took 50 years to develop a powerful new technique, and his protagonist student learn it from him in 10 or less. Each generation leaves the foundations for the next to improve upon, and in turn that generation reaches further, laying the foundation that the next will use to reach even further. "The dreams of those who have fallen...The hopes of those who will follow. Those two sets of dreams weave together into a double helix, drilling a path towards tomorrow!" Sorry, I couldn't resist when that popped in to my head. The optimism of that show still echos in me, over a decade after I watched it.
Thank you for posting this. I've tried to speedrun different games but it winds up becoming mentally and emotionally exhausting, takes all the fun out of playing for pure enjoyment.
You finally get the boulder to the top of the hill. From the summit you see a woman gazing into the river styx, transfixed by her reflection and unable to move. Horrified, you realise that you are her
Great video, I was shocked to see this was your second posted video. You definitely deserve the attention you get from this, excited to see more from you!
It should be noted that the "Watch for Rolling Rocks" video became infamous on the internet for a bit, but the term "half an A press" became a meme in speedrunning that seemed to never die. What's worse is one commenter was mentioned near the beginning of the video, and they pretty much had their online presence ruined because of them being mentioned. Every video they posted and every comment they made was filled with people repeating Panenkoek's response to his comment for years.
at the start the leading theory for the TTC upwarp was a stray gamma ray, it was later revealed that it was a result of a cartridge tilt as his n64 had some hardware issues where the cartridge didn't fit in right
great video! While I was watching this I just assumed this was a big well known channel, from the quality of the video. I'm subscribing because I want to see what other great videos you'll come out with in future
It's funny how a bug/ Error in Programming/ Glitch/ Mistake Goes from this to being called "A Mechanic" when it's suddenly found useful. Subscribed because Speed Running 🏃
Nice video! Thank god this video and this channel appeared in my Up Next feed! You have a lot of potential my friend! I wish you great amounts of happiness and success! :)
@10:50 you sadist! Pointing these innocent viewers to that "day killing blackhole of a video series" Bismuth created about the A button challenge is just evil! Well played! And to the people about to look them up: have fun in the next 8 mind blowing hours!
@@brandonporter8509 Jaw dropping! Couple of months ago I had a discussion with 2 friends that saw speedrunning just as practicing a lot (like a sport). I tried explaining that speedrunners are even more psychotic than professional athletes and then Bismuth came to my rescue and I watched the first one with them. Both guys have now watched all of them and both enthusiastically texted me when the latest one dropped. People outside the community (even many within) have not the slightest idea how creative and dedicated it gets and Bismuth captures this perfect, in my opinion(-:
Bro i just wanted to mention that this video is over a month old and it is on my recommendations list for a few days. I did not felt enticed to click on it until i finally did, just because. Really enjoyed the video though, keep doing what you do and I’ll bet on it that you will breach the 100k subs in no time!
The fact that he pulled off the skip, only to immediately pause it, really adds to the mental torture that it must be. You actually do have to wait that one extra second EACH attempt to make sure that you don’t do that. It’s one extra second of hope and then defeat over thousands and thousands of attempts
My favourite time speedrunning when I spent around 3 months going after a second barrier. I spent 3 months and probably 100+ hours to save about .2 seconds. The best part? Once a new update came with a new weapon, you could basically go oob wherever you want, which allowed me to within a day of attempts take the record down by .06. This has been patched. Its still beatable with the old strats, just not something I will be doing. That would probably be a years long endeavour.
I think Sisyphus wouldve been much happier if there was a big number at the top of the mountain that incremented everytime he made it to the top, and then he could spend those points on fun stickers for the rock
Ah yes, gamification.
Yes
Horrifyingly fitting Dimentio pfp. The only thing missing is the laugh
Katamari anyone?
he could also be sponsored by G-fuel
I like how Summoning Salt is used as a benchmark in speedrunning.
There is a way Summoningsalt has with his videos that is the pinnical of speed run reviewers, like jcs is for criminal psychology and sociology, or devs react for highlighting thr differences between the programmer designer and the runner.
Summoning salt is the OG when it comes to soeedrunning videos, he's like the tony stark of the MCU
@@masterdon187 Marvel reference, banned.
SummoningSalt is also the gold standard for Mike Tyson's Punch Out!!
''One must imagine Sissyphus calling his WR rolling bad''
The musician life style is just pratice, pratice, pratice, go insane, and go to sleep everyday. We are making fun off speed running. It's the same life style for a serious musician who puts in the effort to become good at instrument. That's the cycle for at least 10 years, but I tried Doom speedrunning, and I don't know how people do it until they get a WR.
I like that the hypothesis of "gamma rays did it" has been applied to both the end Ordovician mass extinction event and also a weird glitch in a Mario 64 speedrun. Gamma rays really can do everything, apparently.
Inb4 Mario 64 runners start sticking a peice of Uranium in the console.
@@fatcthulhu4904speedrunners carefully aiming a particle accelerator at the exact physical location the 3rd bit in the y position byte:
It was most likely just a crooked cartridge.
@@Chrischi3TutorialLPs pannenkoek is the ultimate chad of autism
@@jacqli69 that's not how computers work. Cartridges don't just flip random bits in the computer's memory.
The most absurd thing I remember from speedrunning (as someone who only casually follows them on UA-cam) was the whole “Gamer Gunk” strategy runners were using in SpongeBob Battle For Bikini Bottom. For a while, it was believed that licking the cd at strategic spots would cause lag that would allow players to clip through some walls. I think they’ve moved on from doing that, but man it was weird.
Gamer Gunk is the best trick for gamer dudes and dudettes.
What the actual f^%k? ಠ_ಠ
@@robertlupa8273 Yep, that was my reaction too.
God that gave me a good laugh.
yeah i remember; they eventually allowed loading the game off the Xbox's hard drive to preserve the game discs
“One must imagine Sisyphus happy. After all, he has that Boulder Roll Any% record on lock.” - Albert Camus
Any French philosophy post-Rousseau is essentially a magazine. You rube.
The struggle itself towards the heights is enough to fill a mans heart
@slater666 /woosh
not sure if the two are actually comparable. The critical difference is that Sisyphus' ordeal is something he MUST complete, he has no choice in the matter for it is his punishment. Speedrunners continue to grind and pursue greater records because they choose to.
Actually... why the hell does sisyphus actually does it? Like, he's in hell already, he could just say "fuck it" and give up, maybe he'd get punished but that would add a bit of variety to the torture.
So like, is there a canonical reason why he does it anyway instead of going on a strike or something?
@@Laezar1it’s hell
@@Laezar1 A. The Furies are so much worse. Even the monotony of the boulder is preferable to being a creative outlet for the nightmare torture demons*.
B. It's a parable and "canon" isn't really such a big deal for it. It's an illustration of a moral lesson and a conceptual idea. The idea of literal canonicism is a fairly modern one.
*The Furies aren't demons in the Christian sense but you get the idea.
@@BloodyAltima Yeah I know it's a parable, but like if you look at a myth like tantalus the punishment is something they have no control over.
Sisyphus however feel like he could just give a middle finger to the punishment so I find interesting that it isn't even considered as an option in the myth (as far as I'm aware).
@@Laezar1 maybe he thinks he can actually do it? I don't know if that's part of the "official" myth but in the version I heard, following happened:
After tricking the gods of death twice, some god decided to give him a fitting punishment and thus created the boulder task.
"carry this boulder up this hill and you are free"
Sisyphus was happy to have such a easy task as punishment and imagined himself to be free soon. Of course he would have to realize eventually that his task is impossible but in a Greek myth it is easily imaginable that his mind was corrupted.
Another idea I had is that just nothing surrounds him so, just darkness and silence, no punishment (->he has nothing better to do).
Also excuse bad englisch please
Speedrunning might be the best real life analogy of the story of Sisyphus lol
This or becoming rank 1 (best player) in any field. Climbing that mountain, watching the others slowly reach you and having to weather the storm until someone inevitably pushes you down the mountain. Then you have to climb the mountain once again.
Speedrunners aren't being forced, they can take breaks, and playing video games is not equivalent to torturously rolling a rock up a hill. They aren't really analogous
@@a2rhombus2well, the story of Sisyphus isn’t real, and Speed running is real. They really aren’t analogous.
Life itself is a real life analogy of the story of Sisyphus
One must imagine Sisyphus happy tho
"One must imagine speedrunners happy" really got to me
I remember seeing the "Speedlunky" achievement for Spelunky (finish in less then 8 minutes, no shortcuts) and thinking it impossible. I got addicted and now years later can run through the game in half that time yet am still far, far away from breaking any records!
I really have to respect anyone who has all the Achievements/Trophies in Spelunky HD and Spelunky 2. I have played Spelunky 2 several times a day since it was released at Steam and I still have not reached Sunken City. With Spelunky HD I have reached Hell maybe 5 times but I have never killed Yama. Both are surprisingly difficult games. I have 631 hours in Spelunky HD and 356 hours in Spelunky 2 and I still suck at both.
Ayyy, fellow spelunky enjoyer! Love to see it
Do you put those accomplishments in your Tinder profile?
4 minutes is really impressive! I can barely do sub-4 and ngl I probably can't even do sub-6 now
The most absurd thing here is you having 70 subscribers, let's hope the algorythm blesses you
I think he's being blessed
@@MrStanFungi for me to be here I would have to agree
Indeed.
Blessing received
Got me here
Speedrunning is pretty dang cool tbh. I might be biased though
Yeah, I'd say it's pretty swell man :)
"regardless, one must imagine speedrunners happy" Big-brained reference there. To what you just cited but still. :P
On my old, now lost account NintendoSegaSonyGuy, I used to speedrun Metal Gear Solid 3 as a teenager...or rather, I tried to. Could never do a complete segmented run. It was just too hard to get certain parts right, and it was too time-consuming and random-feeling to get there. I was better at coming up with strats than executing them. Some things I came up with are actually used in world record runs today, such as continuously shooting tranquilizers on the bridge guards at the beginning of the game or the fact that radio frequencies carry over after game overs or game console resets, which is helpful during the jail sequence. I'm proud of my accomplishments, however meager they may be, especially because I came up with them when I was so young.
Godspeed my dude.
I absolutely LOVE this video, I’m a Dark Souls speedrunner and I actually always named my character Sisyphus because of how repetitive the bkh reset is
The worst part about speed running is when a strategy becomes obsolete. But sometimes years later that old strategy could become viable again which is always cool to see.
As a wise lad once said: "Speedrunning is the most degenerate act man has ever come up with."
true
He's LOOSE!
I have no interest in ever trying to speed run myself, but I'm endlessly fascinated by these videos for some reason
I think it’s just interesting to see how far gamers can push the boundaries yet knowing we have lives and couldn’t imagine putting in so many hours to one certain thing so it’s fun to see it through someone else
"The true knowledge of good and evil, as true, cannot thwart any affect, but only insofar as it is considered as an affect." - Baruch Spinoza
I think what makes speedrunning more appealing is the fact that there is more to it than getting a perfect run or not. The prestige of being the first one to finish in under xx minutes or set the first record that uses a specific skip/strategy can be enough of a reward for trying over and over. Also, like we all know, its not only about the destination but about the friends, we make along the way. After all most speedrun communities I experienced are incredibly wholesome.
Sisyphus was punished. Speed runners choose their boulder.
I've never enjoyed speedrunning myself, but I'd never be able to put it in words like you did! But I love videos about speedrunning.
I think it's fun to either discover ways to break the game, or just watch people who've mastered the game flawlessly glide through a level. But all the speedrun jargon makes me groan.
"Would you discover Parallel Universes just to skip holding down a button?"
There have been a lot of Sissyfits in speedrunning, that's for sure.
I see Speedrun as the embodyment of nothing is impossible it only takes dedication and community effort.
This is why I like TAS videos. I know they take a lot of time to put together but they eliminate the wastefulness of runners going for a billion attempts just for that one miracle run where it all comes together. We all just want to see what the game can do, after all, so why cheer on the death of a man's hands for it?
Using the Myth of Sisyphus to frame the video is a fantastic idea and works really well! Thank you for the quality content!
Also, eating meat out of the hot plate you used to get WR is such a power move, I love it :'D
Dude, this video is amazing. As someone who has experienced the pain of a long grind, literally everything you said is true and relatable. This is informative, deeply meaningful, I love the connections to greek mythology and Camus, its honestly everything I want to see from a video like this. I really can’t express how much I love this video. Keep up the great work, 10/10.
This channel is the best thing since Summoning Salt. I am completely hooked on your vids
No, the leading theory for the SM64 upwarp is not a "Rogue Gamma Ray". DOTA_TeaBag has stated that his cartridge always had to be tilted in odd ways for the game to function. It's well known that cartridge tilts on SM64 games can have a lot of varying effects and this is thought to be one of them.
Well, that certainly deflates a lot of mystique around that story.
@@Nyjietha I've heard many people mention the bit flip, they're the first to say otherwise. I'd take this with a grain of salt
Well i choose not to believe your theory... because the alternate is a million times better and neither one is proven to be true :]
Veritasium has a video on how cosmic rays can flip bits and uses the SM64 upward as an example. Not saying it's right or wrong but cosmic rays can and do mess with computers. ua-cam.com/video/AaZ_RSt0KP8/v-deo.html
@@timeSlidrGaming You guys are still choosing to ignore Occam's Razor. A cosmic ray is an astronomically unlikely event and has never been recorded to happen any other time.
A cartridge tilt is known to cause issues in SM64 games and is magnitudes more likely to be the cause of something like this.
I'm always impressed by how the speedrun communty works, like the amount of information every single runner has about game coding etc to be able to train the manipulation, I barely know base knowledge
Most runners do not know much on their own, its generational community knowledge and pillars of people who know the advanced workings to pull apart and share, most runners only know so much because others told them about Why doing X and Y magically causes you to skip half the game, rather than figuring it out from scratch
"Paralell universes were discovered to save half of an A press"
Speedrunners are something else.
The idea that the first known use of ACE was early seasons brony content is honestly not surprising, that fandom basically led the charge in the evolution of the YTPMV With stuff like Avast Fluttershy’s Ass
My biggest problem w speedrunning is the time wasted. People can spend dozens or hundreds of hours to learn a single trick only for it to become obsolete by a new discovery. It ultimately shows that if you spent that time to become an engineer you could break any video game, which is usually the most time efficient way to find new tricks other than randomly doing things in a game you really like. I understand its all for fun and competitiveness and its their own time/life. But it reminds me of a skinner box and its ironic someone whos never even touched the game could find an exploit that makes all their "skill" obsolete. But to each their own, I guess.
The struggle itself is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.
@@zxylo786 Nothing could possibly bring "real" rewards or consequence. The richest man and the poorest man both end up as worm food in the end.
Even if humanity persists for a billion billion years, at some point something is going to wipe us out, whether heat death or big crunch or our own stupidity.
That's what nihilism/absurdism is; the realization that nothing matters. What you do with that information is up to you.
@@zxylo786 I'm going to answer the second paragraph first, since I think the answer is less interesting: I don't base my ideology on anything any particular person says, I looked up words for what I am and learned that nihilism is the name for it. My beliefs are based on the reality I observe; the universe seems to be meaningless based on all of my perceptions of it, so until evidence to the contrary appears that's what I'll believe.
But now for the more interesting part. What makes those short term rewards you mentioned "real"? I swear I'm not trying to be contrary, I genuinely don't understand why people put their instinctual desires on a pedestal and act like they "matter" somehow.
I am a mass of atoms, a computer made of meat. I am programmed to like certain things and dislike certain things, but that programming is based on the iterative process of natural selection; on whether the behaviors that those likes produce are useful for reproduction, not whether they are "real."
Why should I pretend my existence has more value than, say, a random insect's, or a piece of art, or a stone at the bottom of the ocean? I value myself subjectively based on my instinct to self-preserve, but that instinct isn't any "realer" than any other reason. There's no truth value to it; I can say "I exist," that's demonstrable. "I matter" is merely a statement of opinion.
I hope that we can have a real friendly discussion about this, since I find this sort of thing interesting. I don't think either of us are going to convince the other (saying you find nihilism stupid doesn't make me confident, but I can definitely admit that I find non-nihilism stupid as well, heh heh), but I hope the back-and-forth can at least be entertaining to read.
@@Grass-Moss he sits inside and argues on UA-cam comments. Nothing he does has any meaning, he's lashing out rn lmao
absurdism is an excuse for the weak to shirk off the responsibility and moral accountability that they know they have. something they tell themselves for comfort so they can do whatever they please as their own soul rots away
@@shawcrow5780 "Morality is an excuse for the weak to ignore the terrifying pointlessness of their own existence."
So how easy it is to turn something around? If you want to convince someone of something, try having an actual argument.
this just popped up in my feed and i couldn’t be happier. literally my two favorite topics, well done bro
Great overview video. The parallel universes and the snake game in Mario are definitely great infamous stories. Especially in the arbitrary code execution is great example how hard IT security is, e.g. when you want to train AIs in virtual environments.
Really enjoyed this, look forward to more!
ACE is to this day my favorite trick on games. Just imagining all the possibilities, man.
only a speedrunner would spend thousands of hours on a video game to try and beat it in 3 seconds less time
Good and well structured video. The last thing you said nailed the point. The goal in the end will be having a carved in stone record as it will one day have a point where it can't be beaten anymore.
I am so pleased that this video randomly popped up in my recommended. This is INCREDIBLE work, man. Subbed, rang the bell, and even loved it enough to comment. Please keep up the excellent work!
Great video! Speedrunning has always been a fascinating topic to me
This would have been a perfect video is you have mentioned that people used Arbitrary Code Execution in Ocarina of Time to do a credits warp in Paper Mario 64 using Stop and Swop.
Yea the Minecraft UA-camr joke was amazing. You sir have earned my like and sub
Speedrunning is so fascinating to me, because besides all the intrigue, the creativity, and the mindless dedication and perseverance.... in essence it's about the goal of turning a human into as much of a robot as possiblel. Spending years of your life attempting to do one thing that a computer can do flawlessly every run, is just, a ridiculous concept, but boy is it fun to watch and gawk at.
Saddest thing I've ever seen tbh
The music during the parallel universes explanation reminds me of the vice north Korea travel documentary
Any French philosophy post-Rousseau is essentially a magazine. You rube.
Celebrating a victory with some fried meat is pretty based, ngl.
Interesting take, I love me some Camus and love watching speedruns. I think speedrunning is in a way a sport, or at least in the way that it could be seen as absurd as well. I played baseball in high school, and was a pretty good pitcher, though not enough to play past that level. It was the same grind day in and day out, all with knowing in the end it didn't really matter. Never made it past the 2nd round of the playoffs, and started the grind again the next year, but climbing that hill includes some very fond memories to me, much as I imagine it does for speedrunners.
OtherRuns is like if Summoning Salt and VSauce collabed.
I loved your video, then I heard Shostakovitch's waltz and loved it even more. Couldn't believe when I saw how many subscribers you had. The analogy between Sisyphus and speedruning is striking, awesome content overall
When I got to that point in the video, Waltz No. 2 was the only option. It's such an underrated classic
Yeah, speedrunners convinced me to never speedrun. I am unhappy enough as it is
this video came out 8 (12/4/22) days ago, when i was making this analogy about my life feeling super down about things. weird coincidence
he absurdity is that 80% of your speedrunning career is spent doing the same shit over and over again until the game allows you to win.
"The fate of Sisyphus parallels speedrunning..."
Dude, the fate of Sisyphus parallels the story of ALL OF HUMANITY. Every step SINGLE step forward we've taken in our ENTIRE HISTORY has made old things easier or made them obsolete so we have time for newer things. It's like in a show when an old master took 50 years to develop a powerful new technique, and his protagonist student learn it from him in 10 or less. Each generation leaves the foundations for the next to improve upon, and in turn that generation reaches further, laying the foundation that the next will use to reach even further.
"The dreams of those who have fallen...The hopes of those who will follow. Those two sets of dreams weave together into a double helix, drilling a path towards tomorrow!"
Sorry, I couldn't resist when that popped in to my head. The optimism of that show still echos in me, over a decade after I watched it.
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Just 👍
Good post
Great analysis video! Thanks for uploading!
Thank you for posting this. I've tried to speedrun different games but it winds up becoming mentally and emotionally exhausting, takes all the fun out of playing for pure enjoyment.
You should try speedrunning shorter games, instead. I'd highly recommend it
Thanks for this interesting speedrunning essay pls keep work up love it when i find such channels
Nearly 1000 subs with 2 videos, that’s impressive 👏
You finally get the boulder to the top of the hill. From the summit you see a woman gazing into the river styx, transfixed by her reflection and unable to move. Horrified, you realise that you are her
The two *WORST* Achievements/Trophies I hate doing: 1.) *Multiplayer Trophies* 2.) *SPEEDRUNNING Trophies*
Me: *gets carpetless*
Also me: *resets the stage before I can process I got the ground pound*
The good and bad of mussel memory.
There's a joke to be made here about mussels instead of muscles...
@@digitalunity followed by potential yet unfulfilled haha's
@@yemek4684 It would be shellfish to keep these jokes to ourselves
This is an incredible video, thank you!
The struggle itself toward the heights is enough to fill a man's heart. One must imagine Sisyphus happy.
-Albert Camus
Very high quality work, keep it like that and subscribers will came. Looking forward for more!
3:20 🤣🤣🤣😭
The fact you could hear the controller clacking.
awesome content! very professional, clear voice, good audio levels and the content is interesting!
I always love seeing fence clip videos! Great vid I'm glad I found this channel!
Speedrunning is when fun turns back into homework. Still, if you like it, you do you.
One must imagine Sisyphus zipping through the hill
Just Binged a few of ur videos. Nice and calm effective straightforward video. I like the style
Great video, I was shocked to see this was your second posted video. You definitely deserve the attention you get from this, excited to see more from you!
It should be noted that the "Watch for Rolling Rocks" video became infamous on the internet for a bit, but the term "half an A press" became a meme in speedrunning that seemed to never die. What's worse is one commenter was mentioned near the beginning of the video, and they pretty much had their online presence ruined because of them being mentioned. Every video they posted and every comment they made was filled with people repeating Panenkoek's response to his comment for years.
Ruined? The dude is a legend now
@@ballom29yea the orange godot mask yoshi icon May as well be the official unironicially good rip seal of approval on siIvagunner.
Sly Cooper, Oblivion, and Kingdom Hearts music? This guy's got taste.
“So imagine a bus…”
at the start the leading theory for the TTC upwarp was a stray gamma ray, it was later revealed that it was a result of a cartridge tilt as his n64 had some hardware issues where the cartridge didn't fit in right
Didn’t know that it turned out to be cart tilt. Shoulda known
Great video, enjoyed it a lot! You definitely deserve more attention.
great video! While I was watching this I just assumed this was a big well known channel, from the quality of the video.
I'm subscribing because I want to see what other great videos you'll come out with in future
also your twilight zone mario sound joke cracked me up
This was the comment I was waiting for Lmao, thank you
Exactly what Ludi said!
Watch for Sisyphus's Rolling Rocks in 0.5x A Presses
A hidden gem unkown to the algorythm.
Love the classical mythological reference.
But thank you also for the Shakespeare comparison at 3.23.
Glad to see it was noticed!
"Fairly expensive meats..."
Heard Sly Cooper background music at the beginning. I liked.
One must imagine Mario happy
rip albert camus you would've loved Super Mario 64: TTC Stomp on the Thwomp in 0x A Presses
It's funny how a bug/ Error in Programming/ Glitch/ Mistake Goes from this to being called "A Mechanic" when it's suddenly found useful. Subscribed because Speed Running 🏃
I gave you a like for all the speed-running stuff. I subbed for the Camus reference at the end. Damn you.
Looks like the algorithm has shown you great favor. I hope this leads to good things for you in the future!
Nice video! Thank god this video and this channel appeared in my Up Next feed! You have a lot of potential my friend! I wish you great amounts of happiness and success! :)
@10:50 you sadist! Pointing these innocent viewers to that "day killing blackhole of a video series" Bismuth created about the A button challenge is just evil! Well played! And to the people about to look them up: have fun in the next 8 mind blowing hours!
That series is amazing,
@@brandonporter8509 Jaw dropping! Couple of months ago I had a discussion with 2 friends that saw speedrunning just as practicing a lot (like a sport). I tried explaining that speedrunners are even more psychotic than professional athletes and then Bismuth came to my rescue and I watched the first one with them. Both guys have now watched all of them and both enthusiastically texted me when the latest one dropped. People outside the community (even many within) have not the slightest idea how creative and dedicated it gets and Bismuth captures this perfect, in my opinion(-:
Damn comparing the Myth of Sisyphus to speedrunners just makes so much sense
Bro i just wanted to mention that this video is over a month old and it is on my recommendations list for a few days. I did not felt enticed to click on it until i finally did, just because.
Really enjoyed the video though, keep doing what you do and I’ll bet on it that you will breach the 100k subs in no time!
The fact that he pulled off the skip, only to immediately pause it, really adds to the mental torture that it must be. You actually do have to wait that one extra second EACH attempt to make sure that you don’t do that. It’s one extra second of hope and then defeat over thousands and thousands of attempts
What a gem of a video. Well done.
Subbed, I can see you put alot of work Into the video
Hope you get more subs and looking forward to similar content bro
I believe Goose summed up speedrunning pretty nicely
Very high quality for 1k subs, deserve a lot more!
My favourite time speedrunning when I spent around 3 months going after a second barrier. I spent 3 months and probably 100+ hours to save about .2 seconds. The best part? Once a new update came with a new weapon, you could basically go oob wherever you want, which allowed me to within a day of attempts take the record down by .06. This has been patched.
Its still beatable with the old strats, just not something I will be doing. That would probably be a years long endeavour.
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this channel is amazing you are massively underrated