I always appreciate it when Harry is demo'ing a vehicles infotainment screen. He touches it very apprehensively, as if its going to suddenly attack him! Like a dog you're a little unsure about, when you give it your hand to smell. Keep it up, Harry. Don't change. Cars are for driving, after all. They're not bloody televisions.
I had a good laugh last summer on the Route du Soleil. EV owners had to decouple their caravans and push them to empty spots manually, in order to charge their cars. It was a marvelous and hilarious sight 😂
US Charging spots are generally better as there are dedicated towing lanes for charging without having to disconnect. Halving the range with towing is only new to Harry, plenty of people have been towing with EVs for over ten years to understand this stuff.
This was my last minute realisation before I went to order the Ford Explorer 6 months ago. Stuck with my V8 for towing, and got an MG4 Xpower instead for commuting.
Having only recently discovered this channel I'm slowly working my way through your excellent back catalogue. A minor thing -amongst many more obvious things that makes them so watchable - is a lack of dramatic / moody / exciting music that blights so much of youtube; it may seem great to the editor of the video, but tends to be tedious to everyone else. Keep up the good work..
It's an auto industry chocolate pudding diet. If the goal was to save the environment then cars would be simpler, smaller and lighter. There are more and more 2.5 ton electric 'cars' chewing up the roads and the thought of being crashed into by one of these is an uncomfortable thought.
But there are already some smaller & cheaper cars ? (Ignoring my old Nissan Leaf that I sold for £1600 !) Citroen Ami, if you want an extreme example, or the Dacia Spring ? Hyundai are also launching some, and the Chinese do some, too !
The goal of governments is to reduce environmental damage. The goal of profit-oriented firms, such as Porsche, is to maximize profit, which is currently best achieved through expensive crossovers and SUVs. Easy right?
Very true. If the politicians were serious about the environment then they would tax all the large, heavy cars off the road. It is amazing to think how people used to manage with Metros, Fiestas, Escorts. These same people now "needs" massive pretend-offroaders for their shopping/school runs. Just give me a Renault 4 with modern rustproofing and it will do me fine. If I want to go faster then I will use my motorbike.
It’s deeply ironic that manufactures are mandated to fit a so called safety device (lane assist), which in reality is dangerous. I have a Skoda and it’s the first thing I switch off before I set off. I agree with Harry; it might work on a freeway in the US but it is downright dangerous on UK roads.
I personally love lane control but assist is so annoying. Lane control takes over the steering wheel and centers you when it knows it can. Assist just kicks you in the side 😅
Got rear ended in a Skoda Octavia company pool car, normal country road, doing the restricted 80kmh at that stretch, car came up at a junction to the right - and yes, it was maybe slightly too far in the main road I was driving on but still perfectly acceptable. Collision system engaged and hit the brakes so hard, the guy behind me didn t make it in time and I was in shock that the car hit the brakes with a lot of beeping. I simply didn t know this system was active and would react this way. Never felt this bad for someone else and even argued in his favour in front of the police coz no sane person would have ever hit the brakes this hard in that situation, to this day, I still feel guilty for that incident.
@@timday6087 I took a hire car back to the depot I thought it was faulty only to be told it was the lane assist and need to use indicators even if nothing around.
@@daverichardson8918It’s a nightmare. I have been pulled towards a hedge when it detected a road repair/tar line in the road. It’s really disconcerting when you are not expecting it.
I always watch Harry to find out about the other side of car life but got more excited seeing the lovely little Austin A30 /35 peanut going by at 18.25 !
Great review as always Harry. I went EV a year ago and picked up a heavily depreciated I Pace. As someone who does a 60 mile round trip commute an EV is perfect, charging at home on an EV tariff costs me £40 a month, in an ICE car fuel would cost north of £200. But they have a long way to go before they make sense for everyone.
Agree I have owned a small EV town commuter for four years, but also need my ICE vehicles for their functions. The 100% EV mandate makes no sense whatsoever.
180000 flawless Km in my second hand light weight BMW i3. 2017 year model and still with over 90% Battery capacity .....why why these expensive heavyweights that require large batteries and long charging times at the home wall boxes ...
How fast do road cars need to be in this day and age? I'd much rather have a good range and good towing capacity than a 0-60 of 3 seconds. Thanks for the video.
I'm not entirely sure what one could change that would make an EV more effective and efficient for towing work. At least not to any significant degree. Maybe a Porsche design trailer with efficient aero and it's own power supply and drive train? But presumably limited weight. That could be great for regen potential though....
I just love the quote from Harry as he put his foot down and said, 'Flipping Hell' as the G force pinned him back in his seat! Priceless and brilliant.
TFL in America have done extensive testing of towing with all vehicles including EVs. One memorable test compared a cybertruck with a Ram pickup with 6*7litre Cummins diesel. Identical trailers run simultaneously, the Cybertruck went from 320 miles range to 170 when it realised it had a trailer on. It went from 100% charge to 6% in 86 miles and took over an hour to charge. The Ram could have done nearly 400 miles on the tank and it took 5 mins to fill up. EVs are useless at towing for range purposes.
@@SebastianLarsen You seen the size of a 26ton truck battery, it's mad a 6 cyl 12,000cc diesel engine is big but the ev truck loses 2tons of payload with battery, and when fully loaded they lose so much range
We bought a Model X to tow our camper. Towing does destroy the range, we did about 140 miles and had to charge. It wasn’t terrible since we grabbed some food for 40min and continued on the road. We bought it based on the fact that we only go camping 2 to 3 times a year and the rest of the time we don’t need the SUV. So far happy with the decision, went from $400 a month for gas to $40 for at home charging. EVs are not for everyone, for us it’s been working so far. If we move to part of the country where charging is limited, we will be buying a gas car again. Might look into the new Scout with the gas generator if anything.
ANC doesn't actually make it quieter, it just gives the impression of it being quieter. Gives some people headaches especially if the system isn't well tuned
Impressive but a set of tyres every 3000 miles will quickly stop the thrill of doing it. I also note Harry’s head thrown backwards like a test dummy…my wife has osteoarthritis so performance like that would be physically damaging…why is there this obsession with bonkers and unusable performance that nobody needs more than once to impress your teenage mates on a Friday night in Tesco’s car park. 😐😐
@@HQBProductions 800+ lbs/ft shaft torque working against 2460kg of mass makes me think 3000 miles is an optimistic expectation. Surely these EV specific tyres need to use a softer tread compound to achieve the grip required under everyday UK conditions for these acceleration figures to be possible even with all wheel drive? The suspension bushes taking the loads to the monocoque must be getting a hammering as well. Always makes me laugh how many EV’s you see in the 1st lane doing 60mph or less to maximise the range.
@@garethgrundy8087 Performance Teslas who do trackdays etc get 5000miles, so in road use should get 10,000. I get 18000 out of a set of rears on a Tesla but it does do a lot of motorway miles. The launch performance we use daily. Makes for much safer joining of faster roads and overtaking. Wouldn't go back to petrol for daily driving now.
@@smiffyLevel6 Yeah I was speaking to the sales manager and believe it or not they have a customer that buys a new Macan every 6 months and he’s not happy 🤯
I live in Michigan, in the USA, home of Ford, GM and Chrysler and you see virtually no Ford or GM EV trucks and less than none towing. We do a lot of towing here long distances and an EV would be a disaster especially in winter.
I live in Calabasas, California (L.A.) and I go walking every day (10,000 steps). Just around my neighborhoods there are 7 Cybertrucks, 3 new Chevy Silverado EVs, at LEAST a dozen Ford Lightnings, 4 Hummer EVs, and more Rivians than I can count. Granted it’s WEALTHY California, so there’s $$$ here to buy $100,000+ pickups. And I’ve asked neighbors, and they’ve all said they go to Mammoth, Big Bear, and even MONTANA to Big Sky………no issues with winter charging. 🤷🏼♂️
@@eddieg6436 Do people still get tax incentives there ? In the U.K. most of the incentives are in leasing an EV. In fact if my employer could persuade me to lease an EV through their salary sacrifice scheme it would actually save them National Insurance (AKA tax) as well as me.
You also don't see combustion trucks towing. I live in Texas, and the only time you see anyone with a trailer is the odd rancher out in the hill country or construction workers. No one tows, dawg.
Wonderful job finding a couple of positives with this car Harry. You’d have to drive about 49,600 miles before this is cheaper than the ICE version. Don’t let the price out you off. Wait 24 months and you’ll get one for £30k. 😂
Another car that will depreciate by 60% within a year. And why do they call it a turbo 👎🏻100 mile range when towing brilliant I’ll have 3 strategically positioned en route to Cornwall for my caravan holiday
As a used car buyer, I see this as an absolute win. These cars are not special supercars, just buy them for cheap after 3 years when they had most of the depreciation and the battery is still healthy.
Lovely colour! I see you mentioned the Taycan, apparently the fastest thing about that car is its depreciation rate...the Macan is also probably not a car you want to buy brand new...let the first punter deal with its massive EV drop in value. Regardless of instant acceleration, I just can't get excited about EVs. I agree with Jeremy Clarkson referring to EVs as 'appliances'.
Another no-nonsense nail in the coffin. Also, thanks for the proper laugh out loud moment where Harry pulled up to the charging station with the trailer hooked up.
A defining feature between brands has historically been the engine - the engineering involved, power, no of cylinders etc. It feels like in an EV world this key differentiator has been completely lost - there really is no difference between the drivetrain of a Tesla or EV Porsche or a Chinese EV. I don't think the existing premium brands like Porsche are doing 'enough' to justify their positive attributes. Perhaps because they no longer realistically can?
Even more funny is that lift the bonnet on a macan gts and literally everything is made in China including suspension. German engineering made in China. My partner’s son bought one and was a bit pissed when I pointed out that everything was made in China. No surprise as China makes nearly every thing for all new cars. Hence they let the western countries design and give the standards then they apply the same standards to their own cars. Result their car manufacturers pay the real price not the export price to western mugs. Hence Chinese electric cars are cheaper than western cars. Japan 1970s China 2000s. Create your own demise, isn’t the west clever.
@@Nyx_88888 most don’t and believe me I was shocked when I saw in a Porsche with made in China on everything. Not what one expects, I used to work in the finance industry so saw a lot of the exporting to China of manufacturing in 2000-3. That appeared to be contained to headlights, seats, interior trim, wiper assemblies this was started by the Japanese companies and a lot of US and EU countries joined in. Then when you consider apple makes all their products in China and just package in the US, given the cheap electricity and energy in general In China you can understand the move. Brand recognition tends to blind people especially when build quality remains high.
Good comment. To part with the money it has to be evocative. Or for the still uninformed - display the right status badge. Trading on an out of date perception isn’t going to work for the younger folk. All in all the Macan looks unattractive. Not as bad as VW’s ID range but still. VW are suffering but then there’s a shift change coming to a string of OEMs. If Porsche are sticking with the Taycan “look” then it won’t be long before they’re one of the OEMs struggling. Won’t be the first time the 911 saved them
The panel for crucial controls is good, but you still need to look at it (well away from the road), because its all touch-sensitive "buttons". In my cheap old golf, I can adjust the climate control or turn on the heated seats by feel alone, thats how it still should be.
My VW golf has window winder air conditioning, and I can operate that by touch. No annoying screens, just the basics and I love it. I'm going to keep it forever.
For 90% of previous generation Macan owners this will be a great upgrade. I think the ‘base’ RWD model is the pick of the bunch, reduced cost and weight combined with greater efficiency and still plenty quick enough. For reference Out Of Spec range tested a Macan Turbo (same as in this video) at 70mph and got 3.1m/Wh and a range of 294 miles at that speed. So I would suspect a real world range of 250 is easily achieved.
Indeed, not many Porsche owners actually tow anything, certainly not for any distance. It is like US reviewers who used to complain that US divers can't drive a EV almost all the way across the US on one charge.
Rich people like convenience. Electric cars are not convenient for most people. Many Macans are driven by the wives of the rich people who buy them, and women despise electric cars (according to recent statistics).
@@DerpEyeconvenience is leaving home with a ‘full tank’ of electricity every time you leave the house and never having to go to the petrol station again. Only for those with home charging of course.
Towing impacts the efficiency of a combustion vehicle drastically too. However, it isn't as noticeable because: 1) You have drastically more energy onboard 2) Refueling times are significantly faster 3) Refueling opportunities are abundant There are a few ways to improve towing with an EV. 1) Outfit the vehicle with a massive battery e.g. Chevy Silverado, all electric semis 2) Increase the quantity and layout of charging stations (i.e. pull through) 3) For new trailer designs, focus on aerodynamics
Great video as ever. The sound made by Porsche EVs reminds me of the transmission howl of the Volvo Ailsa double decker buses which were everywhere when I was a kid in the ‘80s.
Thank you for shining a light on the issue of EV’s and Towing. Whilst EV’s serve a purpose for a portion of the community there is another portion of motorist who tow and the EV is the chocolate tea pot when it comes to fit for purpose. What impact will the drive to EV and non-combustible engines have on the people, their passions and the many businesses reliant on towing. With new car prices vs. their depreciation, it is hard to get your head around before the flaw in the whole EV idea is realized. I have returned to the land of diesel, which too was once prioritized by the government. Towbars aren’t just for bike carriers.
Or to put it another way, the habit of dragging a miniaturised version of your house behind you is only made feasible by the enormously higher energy density of Petrol and Diesel.
Austin A35 going the opposite way at 18.26 minutes into video. Just imagine those two cars parked next to each other, the size difference would be quite noticeable.
So: an A35 saloon is at least 65 years old and, from the bright finish to the front grill, that might even be an A30 which means it's nearly 70 years old. I would offer that this is what real sustainable motoring looks like: a splash of fuel every now and again, service it once a year and it's happy. The Porsche will effectively be scrap in, what, about 10 years? Having used a huge amount of resources both to make it and subsequently recycle it. Will someone please explain how this is good for the planet.
Little wonder European car makers are struggling when they are charging £108k for the likes of this. I know it's a Porsche but there are better options, that will be worth £35k in a year, great review as always.
Every time someone mentions EV depreciation the numbers get worse. It’s just like Chinese whispers 🤣 £35k in a year - just LoL. Even G1 base spec, 3 year old Taycan’s are £40k on the used market.
I mean it’s a Porsche they’re almost always prohibitively expensive. Older Porsche SUVs with ICE engines are also quite well known for depreciating a lot.
You'll need to go for a head injury assessment if you regularly mash the pedal in that thing! It looks a nice car in that colour, just needs a 4 litre V8 up front to make it really desirable.
So much misinformation in the comments. My 2015 Cayenne Diesel does 32-34 mpg unladen on the highway, 18-21 mpg towing 6K lbs on an open trailer, and under 15 mpg towing an enclosed trailer as Harry does in this video. So nearly 55% reduction in range from no trailer to enclosed trailer. Here Harry sees a ~66% reduction in range from no trailer to enclosed trailer; a bit worse but not shocking to anyone who has towed any distance. EVs are absolutely not tow vehicle material yet for most owners. But guess what? Most SUV and pickup truck owners never tow at all. If they do, I’d suggest a PHEV/BEV for regular use and a separate vehicle (or occasional rental) for the rare towing event. EVs and hybrids have been around for 25+ years now; battery life has not proved to be a real problem. The smart person takes advantage of the depreciation and buys one of these in a year for $50K off, has GT3-beating straight line speed and super cheap operation in a fine family commuter. What’s not to like?
What you say about range reduction is true but the shorter range of EVs (esp compared to your diesel) unladen combined with that extra ~10% lost range and additional charging times could make towing a hassle. The towing is supposed to be good with EVs so 'tis a shame.
@@cbotten106I agree that towing with an EV doesn’t work for most (I have seen one Rivian as a tow vehicle at Mid Ohio raceway, but I have no idea how far away the owner lived). I’m just saying the degree of range reduction shouldn’t be some sort of shock - towing takes a ton of energy no matter what form it’s in.
I watched this because I subscribe and I love Harry’s work. I gave it the ‘thumbs up’ because that’s just an appreciation of the work done and it’s polite and I used to have an older 911 but otherwise.. how much?! Range?! Depreciation?! Why would you 🤷🏼
Hi Harry, I tow my racing dinghy most weekends in my Ioniq5 (dual motor) , a 180km round trip, and prob lose about 7-10% range, its always 45% of a battery to do the trip - but the boat and road trailer only weigh about 300kgs, its low profile so prob not much wind resistance, and honestly i sometimes forget i have it hitched up when overtaking - the car is still stupidly quick (well not macan quick, but sub 5 secs to 100kmh). So for those light aerodynamic loads, EV is fine - but you're right - for anything heavy and barn door shaped - forget it...
I was towing in Germany with a sailplane trailer, while they do not suffer the same drag penalty as your trailer but it is still considerable with a 75% penalty, but in Germany they have an increasing number of Truck focused charging stations (with people like Amazon and DHL moving to electric truck fleets) and the Gliding community being quite sizeable and influential in Germany they have gained access to this network so can use these charging stations that are designed for vehicles with trailers and they are 300kwh chargers. But I notice that the first purpose designed Truck charging station in UK (why are we so far behind!) was not interested in granting access to drivers with a 9m+ sailplane trailer in tow (why would a fuel station refuse business by saying we are trucks only), which because of its length is too long to access your typical UK service station car park and with so many older UK service station layed out in a way to deny you access from the Truck park where you need to drop the trailer to the chargers in the car only car park without venturing back onto the motorwar and turning round at junctions, the UK is as you say has made zero effort to accommodate electric cars towing.
That’s exactly why I wouldn’t consider an ev. The charger network in Germany is OKish. But collecting gliders from fields in the middle of nowhere means, there are not much chargers to choose from if there are any. And those will most likely not fit with the trailer. Otherwise an ev would fit my lifestyle quite good, but that’s a nogo.
@pnsp33 I am fortunate to be using a sustainer, which is also electric and so unless something has gone horrible wrong I don't have the joys of field landings to endure anymore. But even then the UK is a no go for using a BEV for towing. Which is a shame because my experience is that they are way superior tow vehicles than ICE cars, with their high empty weight, low cofg and zero rev torque
Here in Australia, I tow my 5.5 meter boat with my Toyota Landcruiser. I also have a camper trailer that I tow. The Landcruiser has a 180-liter capacity fuel tank, so can go a good distance between re-fulling. Yeah it's thirsty, but that's the price you pay. I'd rather pay for fuel than depreciation and inconvenience.
Trying to give a monkeys and struggling. It's in a lovely shade if orange. Hoovies F150 Lightning was showing low charge after 40 miles of towing. But it just illustrates the inbuilt limit of having to carry all the energy with you rather than combusting atmospheric oxygen.
Obviously they send you the fastest, most extreme and expensive model thinking it’ll please you…. When really, a bit less might be a lot more! The real world eh?… what do we know….🙄 Still, great research all the same. Great review as always Harry. Thank you so much💥🤓
EV evangelists always go on about the one dimensional speed, 0 to 60 stuff. Yeah! Interesting first time but then??? Tesla owners especially rant bout speed. 🙄 At least this handles like a Porsche. But you are right, Autocar think the base rear wheel drive is the sweet spot.
You can tow with electric. All you need is a Chevy Silverado pickup truck with the 212kwh pack. Works great. You can drag drag that trailer 200 miles. Yes we need pull through chargers, and fast ones.
In all fairness, that bump (and that upper section of road) is bumpy as anything! Doing the speed limit in any car over that crossroads flashes up my TC light lol.
I do about half my annual mileage towing with my EV and agree charging stations need sorting. We now have a handful that actually have pull thru spaces! The luxury. Normally I use a motor mover to shift the trailer separately, speeds everything up massively. Efficiency when you were towing seems shocking, i get about 2 miles per kwh when towing and about double that when not. Drag of the trailer is is the biggest impact on efficiency, especially if going over 60. The plus of heavy car with tons of torque from zero rpm means i won't switch back to towing with an ICE as the car bosses the trailer, not the other way around. Its a faff, but its getting better already
@@venom5809 Ioniq 5, towing a caravan thats MTPLM is at the rated max it can tow . Weight does not matter anywhere near as much as aero on any long distance journey for EV towing, anything remotely sensible has more than enough torque to pull what its tow capacity is rated for and it just does not need much throttle at all, its like the van is not there, I can see noticeable improvements or decreases in efficiency by cruising at 50, 55, 60.
The towing thing is interesting. It's not just caravans that are common on the road. Horse trailers are everywhere and often doing long distances. And unlike caravans or trailers you can't unhitch to recharge your car if you have a horse on the trailer.
I’ve got a Cayenne S with the 4.2L Diesel. Sounds epic, goes brilliantly well (for a tank), looks nice, has a huge range and a fabulous, button-rich cockpit. I’m minding it fastidiously and get more and more concerned with preserving it with each new iteration of Porsche.
@@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing Brake wear is not an issue with EVs. Due to recuperation, the mechanical brakes will last much longer than with combustion engines. The unavoidable amount of additional tire wear due to the higher vehicle weight is approximately 5%. Tire wear can be very high though due to the high torque EVs offer - but this depends soley on the driving style and is therefore not different to combustion vehicles with a lot of power.
Towed my cararvan with my Polestar2 . It takes time. But its a good car to tow with. 2500km this summer. They build charge station so stupid that you nearly almost needs to unhook the caravan.
Am I correct in thinking that 'turbo' as an engineering term can apply only to combustion engines? That there is no such thing (other than marketing) as a 'turbo' EV?
exactly as marketing is the main focus nowadays to catch new new customers. Preferably those mid 30s to 40s, career driven, the trust fund yuppies spending the family made money and the occasional boomer with spare money left. 9 out of 10 porsches on the road here in germany are the standard leasing / finance specced cars. Boring and generic, as the consumers. It´s about the brand image, they have no car related background whatsoever
I went to the dealer with the thought of swapping my F-Pace for one, on PCP it was 2.5X more per month than the Jag. The residuals on these electric cars are utterly awful.
Fantastic that someone has finally stated the obvious about towing with an EV, Harry's always to the point, no messing! No infrastructure for any trailer/vehicle combo at charging stations, now that was a hilarious oversight wasn't it :D
@@JJVernig air quality would improve if the west didnt move it's industry baggage onto countries that have no regulations whatsoever. too late now i guess.
The wheels influence efficiency much more than you think. I drive a BMW i4 M50 and BMW claims the 20‘ optionals wheels reduce the range by -70kms (45mls). It‘s not only the higher rotational mass but also the very sporty rubber on them. I am pretty sure these 22‘ make up for 30-50mls. Though, I completely agree that potentially the 4S (with standard wheels) is the pick of the range.
Great review, as always. I'm sure the manufacturers are on the edge of their seats watching Harry's devastatingly honest reviews for the first time. The big question is, will the Macan take the same enormous depreciation hit that the Taycan experienced? Or is this SUV sector more resilient in the resale market? I wouldn't like to be one of the early adopters to find out.
Even then, what you save in fuel by the discounted and promotional rate of home-charging is easily eaten up by the extreme depreciation and the cost of the installation of a fast charger. If you charged in public, the 64p per kWh rate is equivalent to around 24mpg, which is in the range of a V12 or an old and inefficient V8.
@@ComeJesusChrist You're absolutely right, I didn't want to go into detail. Actually I thought, it only makes sense if it is a small car that is used exclusively for city driving, shop, school, to work and back, training...etc, and charged at night at home. Let's say Dacia spring as the second or third car in the household.
@@markomicovic5308 Then you face the EV premium compared to the very same or comparable ICE model. The EV Corsa is a good example of a small car being £10k more expensive than its petrol equivalent. I don’t know whether they really started on any price parity, but that would just mean raising the price of the ICE model as EV prices are inflated due to the government subsidies.
Yes, for somebody who doesn't charge "at home" the EV is a rather dubious choice. Some exceptions (looking at you Tesla fans) exist but it can be a challenge.
I am sure its very accomplished, but the thought of an electric Porsche Macan just doesn't get my juices flowing. A PHEV or MHEV version would be quite tempting as it would still have some soul in the engine department and would be just as fast.
Can we just take a moment to remember that towing with an ICE vehicle will also considerably reduce the mpg and consequently their range too. Can't argue about the charging issue at fast chargers, that will definitely need addressed.
Yeah, but compare recharging with a trailer vs refuelling. It's not about the reduced efficiency per se - it's the incredible impracticality of towing with an EV.
Yeah...but here's the difference. There tens of thousands of gas stations that you can refuel at when towing with an ICE vehicle, with many of them being diesel that even towing will still get 300 plus miles out of a tank. Not to mention if you're towing a fifth wheel for camping, the nearest charging station could easily be over 100 miles away.
@@andoletube my electric mower beats my gas mower in every respect but one. i am not supposed to let it get rained on. its towing power is obscene compared to my gas mower.
@@victorhopper6774 What's that got to do with anything? What part of range-problem are you not comprehending? Did you not grasp the troubles Harry was having?
Watching your reviews is very difficult! I can't keep my attention on these new cars, with the beautiful works of art in the back ground. The red Ferrari and Porsche are my dream cars 🤩
EVs are niche vehicles. They work superbly as commuter cars that can be charged at home overnight. Other than if you want to haul a trailer, get yourself a diesel.
As usual another excellent informative Video from Harry. The more I discover about the ACTUAL experience of running an EV the more convinced I am that i don`t want one!
Long term petrol head. Onto my 4th EV after 5 yrs. Would never buy a new ice car again Drive one. Then see what you think. (Rather than defaulting to the internet)
In before the typical electric car hate here. You guys have to remember who the typical Macan buyer is and what the Macan was up until now. It's usually someone more obsessed with style than substance looking to get something with a Porsche badge. I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of Macans are driven around in a city and never tow a trailer. At the end of the day, it was an Audi Q5, which was arguably more capable in the performance department. I've been in the passenger seat at Weissach in one of these and oh man - the new one is immensely capable around there. Of course its no sportscar, but its felt incredibly tight and the balance is superb for the fact that it looks like an overgrown toad. See it that way: A few years down the line, when they are depreciated, you'll get a 20k Porsche as a daily driver that hauls five people plus luggage, is close to supercar fast AND you can slide it around like a BMW M3. If you argue that sound is missing from it, less not forget that the majority of ICE-Macans have an Volkswagen inline four that is hardly worth of a Porsche badge and is almost an ambient noise on the inside. I'd rather have no sound than a bad sound. It's the inevitable future that almost all cars will be electric so I'm looking forward to getting one of these for cheap and have a proper sportscar for the weekend on the side.
A great insight, especially interested in the towing range. Oh, saw my website flash up too when you referenced the number of caravans 👍🏻 Yes the charging whilst towing is an issue which doesn't exist when towing with an ICE 😮
I have caravanned for 33 years. Would never contemplate towing with an EV. Yes it will pull it, but just imagine recharging with a caravan hitched on the back. It would be so stressful. Diesel is the best option at the moment, but governments are forcing you off the road with taxes. They will lose billions in tax revenue when the leisure industry is lost.
There is a crisis in the auto industry today and its not surprising .They have been ordered to stop producing diesel and petrol cars and produce more EVs instead . The trouble is we dont want them .
No idea why people are so surprised EVs are less efficient whilst towing. So is every car, even a diesel will be less efficient whilst towing an extra couple tons of additional weight. Simple physics.
Sadly, Porsche were committed to EV Mahans and Cayman/Boxster before realizing no one wanted them and they’d depreciate so badly. And now they are going to have to scramble to course correct. If they can without massive compromises.
Watching this review because Harry is presenting it. Absolutely no interest in the subject of the review!
Same
You're not interested with "saving the planet" with a three tons piece of junk ??? 🤔
Just what I was thinking. There’ll be a Tyrell’s Garage vid next…EV free zone.
Shane Harry doesn't know anything about cars
The towing thing was an eye opener!
This car accelerates almost as violently as it will depreciate. Wait 6 months, and you'll get a pre-registered one for half it's RRP.
Retired Klaus via Starmer will keep enforcing it.
if the depreciation is anything like the Taycan, then i agree, again this will be aimed at the corporate/company market for sure!
Excellent, I might almost be able to afford one then
@@simonstock2526 But it is shyte!
@@simonstock2526 So long as you don't mind then losing £54,000.
I always appreciate it when Harry is demo'ing a vehicles infotainment screen. He touches it very apprehensively, as if its going to suddenly attack him! Like a dog you're a little unsure about, when you give it your hand to smell.
Keep it up, Harry. Don't change. Cars are for driving, after all. They're not bloody televisions.
Trying to charge the car with a caravan on showed an amazing oversight. I hadn't considered this before. That's amazing.
I had a good laugh last summer on the Route du Soleil. EV owners had to decouple their caravans and push them to empty spots manually, in order to charge their cars. It was a marvelous and hilarious sight 😂
US Charging spots are generally better as there are dedicated towing lanes for charging without having to disconnect. Halving the range with towing is only new to Harry, plenty of people have been towing with EVs for over ten years to understand this stuff.
If an EV owner intends to tow a trailer or caravan, then the manufacturers should offer a “second charging point” option on the vehicle.
This was my last minute realisation before I went to order the Ford Explorer 6 months ago. Stuck with my V8 for towing, and got an MG4 Xpower instead for commuting.
It’s why I still tow with a Range Rover TDV8
Having only recently discovered this channel I'm slowly working my way through your excellent back catalogue. A minor thing -amongst many more obvious things that makes them so watchable - is a lack of dramatic / moody / exciting music that blights so much of youtube; it may seem great to the editor of the video, but tends to be tedious to everyone else. Keep up the good work..
Maybe I’m getting old but I really don’t like all the bigs screens
it's not the age, i am a 90's kid and id rather own a refurbished 60's car then 99% of the cars from 2024
Not the age, I’m 18 and despise screens in cars
amazes me that more manufacturers don't buck the trend - we all know flat panels are borderline unfit for purpose for drivers to operate
Yep. I have an Audi TT gen1. Nothing screen wise. It’s a blessing while driving
Not only you! :)
It's an auto industry chocolate pudding diet.
If the goal was to save the environment then cars would be simpler, smaller and lighter. There are more and more 2.5 ton electric 'cars' chewing up the roads and the thought of being crashed into by one of these is an uncomfortable thought.
But there are already some smaller & cheaper cars ?
(Ignoring my old Nissan Leaf that I sold for £1600 !)
Citroen Ami, if you want an extreme example, or the Dacia Spring ?
Hyundai are also launching some, and the Chinese do some, too !
The goal of governments is to reduce environmental damage. The goal of profit-oriented firms, such as Porsche, is to maximize profit, which is currently best achieved through expensive crossovers and SUVs. Easy right?
Lighter than full size suvs like Rangerover etc...
the environment doesn't need saving. it's a lie a ruse a deception.
Very true. If the politicians were serious about the environment then they would tax all the large, heavy cars off the road. It is amazing to think how people used to manage with Metros, Fiestas, Escorts. These same people now "needs" massive pretend-offroaders for their shopping/school runs.
Just give me a Renault 4 with modern rustproofing and it will do me fine. If I want to go faster then I will use my motorbike.
It’s deeply ironic that manufactures are mandated to fit a so called safety device (lane assist), which in reality is dangerous. I have a Skoda and it’s the first thing I switch off before I set off. I agree with Harry; it might work on a freeway in the US but it is downright dangerous on UK roads.
I personally love lane control but assist is so annoying.
Lane control takes over the steering wheel and centers you when it knows it can. Assist just kicks you in the side 😅
Got rear ended in a Skoda Octavia company pool car, normal country road, doing the restricted 80kmh at that stretch, car came up at a junction to the right - and yes, it was maybe slightly too far in the main road I was driving on but still perfectly acceptable. Collision system engaged and hit the brakes so hard, the guy behind me didn t make it in time and I was in shock that the car hit the brakes with a lot of beeping. I simply didn t know this system was active and would react this way. Never felt this bad for someone else and even argued in his favour in front of the police coz no sane person would have ever hit the brakes this hard in that situation, to this day, I still feel guilty for that incident.
I have all these features on my Focus ST, but I always have it turned off. Just like self parking: nice to show to others😂 I park it faster myself
@@timday6087 I took a hire car back to the depot I thought it was faulty only to be told it was the lane assist and need to use indicators even if nothing around.
@@daverichardson8918It’s a nightmare. I have been pulled towards a hedge when it detected a road repair/tar line in the road. It’s really disconcerting when you are not expecting it.
Best bit of this video was the Austin A35 coming the other way down Harry's "favourite bit of road" about 18.20 in..
@@peppemberton9948 That A35 will probably be another you tube channel making content.
Harry's road seems to be very popular these days.
The road between Charlbury and the Burford/Shipton road 👍
I'd prefer to see a review of that! It would be a far more interesting car :)
That A35 will outlive this Porsche
I'd rather have the wee austin😊
I always watch Harry to find out about the other side of car life but got more excited seeing the lovely little Austin A30 /35 peanut going by at 18.25 !
Thanks for adding the time, I can go straight there and avoid the boring EV tank stuff :)
Great review as always Harry. I went EV a year ago and picked up a heavily depreciated I Pace. As someone who does a 60 mile round trip commute an EV is perfect, charging at home on an EV tariff costs me £40 a month, in an ICE car fuel would cost north of £200.
But they have a long way to go before they make sense for everyone.
EV = Yawn
Agree I have owned a small EV town commuter for four years, but also need my ICE vehicles for their functions. The 100% EV mandate makes no sense whatsoever.
180000 flawless Km in my second hand light weight BMW i3. 2017 year model and still with over 90% Battery capacity .....why why these expensive heavyweights that require large batteries and long charging times at the home wall boxes ...
probably cost you 160 month in depreciation .. lol
@@PalaceofPlacentiaI know people really con themselves 😂
How fast do road cars need to be in this day and age? I'd much rather have a good range and good towing capacity than a 0-60 of 3 seconds. Thanks for the video.
A fridge just keeps things cold. Some chill faster than others. EVs provide transport but there's very little difference in the way they do it.
The road is full of petrol Macans towing horses. Full of it I tell you.
I'm not entirely sure what one could change that would make an EV more effective and efficient for towing work.
At least not to any significant degree.
Maybe a Porsche design trailer with efficient aero and it's own power supply and drive train? But presumably limited weight.
That could be great for regen potential though....
@@tiguanman1170 Daddy Daddy! There's something wrong with the car. Its not making the brum brum noise!
Especially on a SUV armored tank…
“turbo version” of an electric car…. why oh why do they do that
Welcome to 2024 😊
Turbo is a spec level - no reference to an actual turbo device.
Most 911’s have Turbo’s - only the Turbo spec has the Turbo badge.
@@SDK2006b doesn't make it any more sensible, does it?.... They should come up with another 'meaningful' performance designator...
@@ThePedroDB why come up with something new, if everybody understands the old "wrong" designation?
@@blunznoida7375isn't this discussion because it isn't self explanatory to all?
It's because it has a fan to stop the battery overheating 😅.
That front end is gorgeous, said nobody ever
😂
I just love the quote from Harry as he put his foot down and said, 'Flipping Hell' as the G force pinned him back in his seat! Priceless and brilliant.
TFL in America have done extensive testing of towing with all vehicles including EVs. One memorable test compared a cybertruck with a Ram pickup with 6*7litre Cummins diesel. Identical trailers run simultaneously, the Cybertruck went from 320 miles range to 170 when it realised it had a trailer on. It went from 100% charge to 6% in 86 miles and took over an hour to charge. The Ram could have done nearly 400 miles on the tank and it took 5 mins to fill up. EVs are useless at towing for range purposes.
But now they want all vans and lorries run on batteries. Madness.
@@SebastianLarsen You seen the size of a 26ton truck battery, it's mad a 6 cyl 12,000cc diesel engine is big but the ev truck loses 2tons of payload with battery, and when fully loaded they lose so much range
We bought a Model X to tow our camper. Towing does destroy the range, we did about 140 miles and had to charge. It wasn’t terrible since we grabbed some food for 40min and continued on the road. We bought it based on the fact that we only go camping 2 to 3 times a year and the rest of the time we don’t need the SUV. So far happy with the decision, went from $400 a month for gas to $40 for at home charging. EVs are not for everyone, for us it’s been working so far. If we move to part of the country where charging is limited, we will be buying a gas car again. Might look into the new Scout with the gas generator if anything.
@stephensalt6787 and just think how much shit you pumped into the atmosphere from your ram, but you don't give a shot do ya?
@@SebastianLarsen Tesla Semi has a very usable range, fully loaded.
Surprises me that better use of active noise reduction has yet to be made to reduce cabin tyre noise.
I wonder if it’s seat specific to make that work.
Another good way to reduce tyre noise is to make them thinner.
It's these cheap cars like Porsche where every penny has to be saved.
ANC doesn't actually make it quieter, it just gives the impression of it being quieter. Gives some people headaches especially if the system isn't well tuned
Tyre noise is one of the things I go on to judge the surface, plus it does give a chance that the dozy pedestrian or cyclist hears you coming.
That acceleration shot from behind the car is astonishing
Great for wasting energy!
@ true 😂 guess that’s why you get the ‘turbo’ 🙈
Impressive but a set of tyres every 3000 miles will quickly stop the thrill of doing it. I also note Harry’s head thrown backwards like a test dummy…my wife has osteoarthritis so performance like that would be physically damaging…why is there this obsession with bonkers and unusable performance that nobody needs more than once to impress your teenage mates on a Friday night in Tesco’s car park. 😐😐
@@HQBProductions 800+ lbs/ft shaft torque working against 2460kg of mass makes me think 3000 miles is an optimistic expectation. Surely these EV specific tyres need to use a softer tread compound to achieve the grip required under everyday UK conditions for these acceleration figures to be possible even with all wheel drive? The suspension bushes taking the loads to the monocoque must be getting a hammering as well. Always makes me laugh how many EV’s you see in the 1st lane doing 60mph or less to maximise the range.
@@garethgrundy8087 Performance Teslas who do trackdays etc get 5000miles, so in road use should get 10,000. I get 18000 out of a set of rears on a Tesla but it does do a lot of motorway miles.
The launch performance we use daily. Makes for much safer joining of faster roads and overtaking. Wouldn't go back to petrol for daily driving now.
My local Porsche dealer is very worried about the sales of the electric Macan none of their regular customers want it.
If the Porsche dealer is worried about selling EV Macan’s then wait until he has the EV Boxster and Cayman to sell, absolutely no one will want them!
I'm shocked..not.
@@smiffyLevel6
Yeah I was speaking to the sales manager and believe it or not they have a customer that buys a new Macan every 6 months and he’s not happy 🤯
Total environmental disaster these huge batteries, useless toxic junk in 10 years.
@ it’s the politicians that we the people need to blame, all of the Euro Bureaucrats especially!
I live in Michigan, in the USA, home of Ford, GM and Chrysler and you see virtually no Ford or GM EV trucks and less than none towing. We do a lot of towing here long distances and an EV would be a disaster especially in winter.
Well, when the EPA and FDA are gone maybe things will be different.
I live in Calabasas, California (L.A.) and I go walking every day (10,000 steps). Just around my neighborhoods there are 7 Cybertrucks, 3 new Chevy Silverado EVs, at LEAST a dozen Ford Lightnings, 4 Hummer EVs, and more Rivians than I can count. Granted it’s WEALTHY California, so there’s $$$ here to buy $100,000+ pickups. And I’ve asked neighbors, and they’ve all said they go to Mammoth, Big Bear, and even MONTANA to Big Sky………no issues with winter charging. 🤷🏼♂️
@@eddieg6436 Do people still get tax incentives there ? In the U.K. most of the incentives are in leasing an EV. In fact if my employer could persuade me to lease an EV through their salary sacrifice scheme it would actually save them National Insurance (AKA tax) as well as me.
You also don't see combustion trucks towing. I live in Texas, and the only time you see anyone with a trailer is the odd rancher out in the hill country or construction workers. No one tows, dawg.
Starting to see quite a few hummer evs, plenty of rivians, f150 electrics. They're not used for towing.
Wonderful job finding a couple of positives with this car Harry. You’d have to drive about 49,600 miles before this is cheaper than the ICE version. Don’t let the price out you off. Wait 24 months and you’ll get one for £30k. 😂
£30k 🤣😵💫- sure, EV’s depreciate but that’s just dreaming.
My £100k EV, is selling for over £50k, after 3 years.
@@SDK2006bomg why did you buy that 🤢
@@SDK2006bwhat is it ??
@@hpman911 - BMW iX50
@@SDK2006bThats what they're selling for at a dealer, not what you'd get for yours...
Another car that will depreciate by 60% within a year. And why do they call it a turbo 👎🏻100 mile range when towing brilliant I’ll have 3 strategically positioned en route to Cornwall for my caravan holiday
And your problem with this is ?
Means cheaper cars for everyone who can’t buy it new 💡
Hope so i would buy one at 60% off
Yes, turbo in an electric just means a heavier battery, hah.
As a used car buyer, I see this as an absolute win. These cars are not special supercars, just buy them for cheap after 3 years when they had most of the depreciation and the battery is still healthy.
@@Albebacck I have some used Duracells for sale 60% off
Watching for Harry, not for the vehicle which leaves me Cold, but a thorough review which I am grateful for as ever.
Lovely colour! I see you mentioned the Taycan, apparently the fastest thing about that car is its depreciation rate...the Macan is also probably not a car you want to buy brand new...let the first punter deal with its massive EV drop in value. Regardless of instant acceleration, I just can't get excited about EVs. I agree with Jeremy Clarkson referring to EVs as 'appliances'.
Another no-nonsense nail in the coffin. Also, thanks for the proper laugh out loud moment where Harry pulled up to the charging station with the trailer hooked up.
A defining feature between brands has historically been the engine - the engineering involved, power, no of cylinders etc. It feels like in an EV world this key differentiator has been completely lost - there really is no difference between the drivetrain of a Tesla or EV Porsche or a Chinese EV.
I don't think the existing premium brands like Porsche are doing 'enough' to justify their positive attributes. Perhaps because they no longer realistically can?
Even more funny is that lift the bonnet on a macan gts and literally everything is made in China including suspension. German engineering made in China. My partner’s son bought one and was a bit pissed when I pointed out that everything was made in China. No surprise as China makes nearly every thing for all new cars. Hence they let the western countries design and give the standards then they apply the same standards to their own cars. Result their car manufacturers pay the real price not the export price to western mugs. Hence Chinese electric cars are cheaper than western cars. Japan 1970s China 2000s. Create your own demise, isn’t the west clever.
@@richardmorrish actually that is interesting, most German cars dont have Chinese parts yet
@@Nyx_88888 most don’t and believe me I was shocked when I saw in a Porsche with made in China on everything. Not what one expects, I used to work in the finance industry so saw a lot of the exporting to China of manufacturing in 2000-3. That appeared to be contained to headlights, seats, interior trim, wiper assemblies this was started by the Japanese companies and a lot of US and EU countries joined in. Then when you consider apple makes all their products in China and just package in the US, given the cheap electricity and energy in general In China you can understand the move. Brand recognition tends to blind people especially when build quality remains high.
Good comment. To part with the money it has to be evocative. Or for the still uninformed - display the right status badge. Trading on an out of date perception isn’t going to work for the younger folk. All in all the Macan looks unattractive. Not as bad as VW’s ID range but still. VW are suffering but then there’s a shift change coming to a string of OEMs. If Porsche are sticking with the Taycan “look” then it won’t be long before they’re one of the OEMs struggling. Won’t be the first time the 911 saved them
Good point.
The panel for crucial controls is good, but you still need to look at it (well away from the road), because its all touch-sensitive "buttons". In my cheap old golf, I can adjust the climate control or turn on the heated seats by feel alone, thats how it still should be.
My VW golf has window winder air conditioning, and I can operate that by touch. No annoying screens, just the basics and I love it. I'm going to keep it forever.
For 90% of previous generation Macan owners this will be a great upgrade.
I think the ‘base’ RWD model is the pick of the bunch, reduced cost and weight combined with greater efficiency and still plenty quick enough.
For reference Out Of Spec range tested a Macan Turbo (same as in this video) at 70mph and got 3.1m/Wh and a range of 294 miles at that speed. So I would suspect a real world range of 250 is easily achieved.
Indeed, not many Porsche owners actually tow anything, certainly not for any distance. It is like US reviewers who used to complain that US divers can't drive a EV almost all the way across the US on one charge.
Rich people like convenience. Electric cars are not convenient for most people. Many Macans are driven by the wives of the rich people who buy them, and women despise electric cars (according to recent statistics).
90% of existing Macan buyers won't bother with the EV version as the new Macan price is too high.
@@DerpEye Women love EV , especially the home charging
@@DerpEyeconvenience is leaving home with a ‘full tank’ of electricity every time you leave the house and never having to go to the petrol station again. Only for those with home charging of course.
Perfect, can’t wait to put an order in. I tow a motorbike trailer occasionally, and maybe a horsebox coffee bar local only.
Towing impacts the efficiency of a combustion vehicle drastically too. However, it isn't as noticeable because: 1) You have drastically more energy onboard 2) Refueling times are significantly faster 3) Refueling opportunities are abundant
There are a few ways to improve towing with an EV. 1) Outfit the vehicle with a massive battery e.g. Chevy Silverado, all electric semis 2) Increase the quantity and layout of charging stations (i.e. pull through) 3) For new trailer designs, focus on aerodynamics
Great video as ever. The sound made by Porsche EVs reminds me of the transmission howl of the Volvo Ailsa double decker buses which were everywhere when I was a kid in the ‘80s.
I don't like where Porsche are going with their headlight design. Losing some ''Porscheness'' somehow.
Losing
@@hdhdu7634 Yes, well spotted. Take a house point.
Looks chinese
It looks like it's got three pairs of headlights stuck to the front of it.
Agreed. Had the Taycan and always hated the front end, the facelift is even worse - no idea what Porsche are doing.
The guys at the tip must love when they see Harry coming up to the scales. 😂
Even more so when they find out that he plans to leave it there
Towing a weight requires work (energy) which is measured in kWh. That increased energy comes from the battery, or increased fuel consumption.
No shit!
It’s not the weight so much as the drag.
Thank you for shining a light on the issue of EV’s and Towing. Whilst EV’s serve a purpose for a portion of the community there is another portion of motorist who tow and the EV is the chocolate tea pot when it comes to fit for purpose. What impact will the drive to EV and non-combustible engines have on the people, their passions and the many businesses reliant on towing. With new car prices vs. their depreciation, it is hard to get your head around before the flaw in the whole EV idea is realized. I have returned to the land of diesel, which too was once prioritized by the government.
Towbars aren’t just for bike carriers.
A UK caravan magazine found out all the problems a few years ago. Towing is a disaster with an EV. There is a video showing the problems.
Or to put it another way, the habit of dragging a miniaturised version of your house behind you is only made feasible by the enormously higher energy density of Petrol and Diesel.
It that means fewer people will tow caravans, I think that's a plus for the rest of us.
Happy birthday you very young OAP enjoy the rest of your day. Nice vid as usual.
Austin A35 going the opposite way at 18.26 minutes into video. Just imagine those two cars parked next to each other, the size difference would be quite noticeable.
It looked tiny!
The little austin 35 will be worth more than the battery porsche in 5 year 😊
Imagine the two cars having a head on. Does not bear thinking about…… it would be the same as the Macan hitting a 7.5t truck
So: an A35 saloon is at least 65 years old and, from the bright finish to the front grill, that might even be an A30 which means it's nearly 70 years old. I would offer that this is what real sustainable motoring looks like: a splash of fuel every now and again, service it once a year and it's happy. The Porsche will effectively be scrap in, what, about 10 years? Having used a huge amount of resources both to make it and subsequently recycle it. Will someone please explain how this is good for the planet.
@@superseven7947 Imagine an EV lasting as long as an Austin 35!
No, me neither...
I love how Harry gives every screen the middle finger!
Porsche has just started fitting a Depreciation Gauge to the dash of all new EVs.
Yes they have. And the gauge shows 80% once you've paid it (and have not yet driven out of the dealer forecourt).
How to lose £100k in 3 years
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Little wonder European car makers are struggling when they are charging £108k for the likes of this. I know it's a Porsche but there are better options, that will be worth £35k in a year, great review as always.
Every time someone mentions EV depreciation the numbers get worse. It’s just like Chinese whispers 🤣
£35k in a year - just LoL.
Even G1 base spec, 3 year old Taycan’s are £40k on the used market.
have you seen how much an f150 costs lately?
I mean it’s a Porsche they’re almost always prohibitively expensive. Older Porsche SUVs with ICE engines are also quite well known for depreciating a lot.
It's not a Porsche, it's a VW with Porsche badge
100K is cheap for current per preformance cars £150k+ for new RS6 and M5 about same.
You'll need to go for a head injury assessment if you regularly mash the pedal in that thing! It looks a nice car in that colour, just needs a 4 litre V8 up front to make it really desirable.
So much misinformation in the comments. My 2015 Cayenne Diesel does 32-34 mpg unladen on the highway, 18-21 mpg towing 6K lbs on an open trailer, and under 15 mpg towing an enclosed trailer as Harry does in this video. So nearly 55% reduction in range from no trailer to enclosed trailer. Here Harry sees a ~66% reduction in range from no trailer to enclosed trailer; a bit worse but not shocking to anyone who has towed any distance. EVs are absolutely not tow vehicle material yet for most owners. But guess what? Most SUV and pickup truck owners never tow at all. If they do, I’d suggest a PHEV/BEV for regular use and a separate vehicle (or occasional rental) for the rare towing event.
EVs and hybrids have been around for 25+ years now; battery life has not proved to be a real problem. The smart person takes advantage of the depreciation and buys one of these in a year for $50K off, has GT3-beating straight line speed and super cheap operation in a fine family commuter. What’s not to like?
What you say about range reduction is true but the shorter range of EVs (esp compared to your diesel) unladen combined with that extra ~10% lost range and additional charging times could make towing a hassle. The towing is supposed to be good with EVs so 'tis a shame.
@@cbotten106 He's just another EV salesman trying to sell cars he cant sell, pretending to be down with the diesel kids and act all unbiased.
@@cbotten106I agree that towing with an EV doesn’t work for most (I have seen one Rivian as a tow vehicle at Mid Ohio raceway, but I have no idea how far away the owner lived). I’m just saying the degree of range reduction shouldn’t be some sort of shock - towing takes a ton of energy no matter what form it’s in.
@@rocketmunkey1seems like you have some issues; sorry you’re so triggered by an objective and fact-based discussion.
I watched this because I subscribe and I love Harry’s work. I gave it the ‘thumbs up’ because that’s just an appreciation of the work done and it’s polite and I used to have an older 911 but otherwise.. how much?! Range?! Depreciation?! Why would you 🤷🏼
Hi Harry, I tow my racing dinghy most weekends in my Ioniq5 (dual motor) , a 180km round trip, and prob lose about 7-10% range, its always 45% of a battery to do the trip - but the boat and road trailer only weigh about 300kgs, its low profile so prob not much wind resistance, and honestly i sometimes forget i have it hitched up when overtaking - the car is still stupidly quick (well not macan quick, but sub 5 secs to 100kmh). So for those light aerodynamic loads, EV is fine - but you're right - for anything heavy and barn door shaped - forget it...
I was towing in Germany with a sailplane trailer, while they do not suffer the same drag penalty as your trailer but it is still considerable with a 75% penalty, but in Germany they have an increasing number of Truck focused charging stations (with people like Amazon and DHL moving to electric truck fleets) and the Gliding community being quite sizeable and influential in Germany they have gained access to this network so can use these charging stations that are designed for vehicles with trailers and they are 300kwh chargers. But I notice that the first purpose designed Truck charging station in UK (why are we so far behind!) was not interested in granting access to drivers with a 9m+ sailplane trailer in tow (why would a fuel station refuse business by saying we are trucks only), which because of its length is too long to access your typical UK service station car park and with so many older UK service station layed out in a way to deny you access from the Truck park where you need to drop the trailer to the chargers in the car only car park without venturing back onto the motorwar and turning round at junctions, the UK is as you say has made zero effort to accommodate electric cars towing.
@@grahamariss2111 huge problem mainly be out of date designed charging stations definitely
That’s exactly why I wouldn’t consider an ev. The charger network in Germany is OKish. But collecting gliders from fields in the middle of nowhere means, there are not much chargers to choose from if there are any. And those will most likely not fit with the trailer. Otherwise an ev would fit my lifestyle quite good, but that’s a nogo.
@pnsp33 I am fortunate to be using a sustainer, which is also electric and so unless something has gone horrible wrong I don't have the joys of field landings to endure anymore. But even then the UK is a no go for using a BEV for towing. Which is a shame because my experience is that they are way superior tow vehicles than ICE cars, with their high empty weight, low cofg and zero rev torque
@@grahamariss2111 they are superior, till you reach the end of the driveway, and the end of subsidies
does anyone deliver the back-handed compliment better than Harry?
That acceleration is mental. Harry's head was banging against the head rest so many times 😅. Can't believe it's 100 mile range with towing things.
How many Macan buyers do you think tow though? 1 in a 1000? 1 in 10,000? In 10 years I've never seen one towing anything.
@SW-by9ob I have 3 macans and tow with all 3. I own 3 boats and 7 portable houses.
Here in Australia, I tow my 5.5 meter boat with my Toyota Landcruiser. I also have a camper trailer that I tow. The Landcruiser has a 180-liter capacity fuel tank, so can go a good distance between re-fulling. Yeah it's thirsty, but that's the price you pay. I'd rather pay for fuel than depreciation and inconvenience.
I just ordered an ICE Macan S, not convinced about EVs. I prefer the round lines of the gas model. Very personal though
Same here, much better looking.
@ every EV tries to look so futuristic that they look boring
Trying to give a monkeys and struggling. It's in a lovely shade if orange. Hoovies F150 Lightning was showing low charge after 40 miles of towing. But it just illustrates the inbuilt limit of having to carry all the energy with you rather than combusting atmospheric oxygen.
Harry does the best reviews in the business
Obviously they send you the fastest, most extreme and expensive model thinking it’ll please you…. When really, a bit less might be a lot more!
The real world eh?… what do we know….🙄
Still, great research all the same.
Great review as always Harry.
Thank you so much💥🤓
EV evangelists always go on about the one dimensional speed, 0 to 60 stuff. Yeah! Interesting first time but then??? Tesla owners especially rant bout speed. 🙄 At least this handles like a Porsche. But you are right, Autocar think the base rear wheel drive is the sweet spot.
The absolute BEST auto journalists on UA-cam along with Rory with AutoTrader!
8:00 in - it’s almost the entire width of the lane on that single carriageway road. These things are stupidly big now 😢
You can tow with electric. All you need is a Chevy Silverado pickup truck with the 212kwh pack. Works great. You can drag drag that trailer 200 miles. Yes we need pull through chargers, and fast ones.
Fully airborne wheel @ 12:08 (FR)!!! Front wheel completely airborne while driving at normal speed. What happens at a higher pace I 🤔?
Let anyone drive a car with go kart like acceleration in 20mph zones, what could go wrong
In all fairness, that bump (and that upper section of road) is bumpy as anything! Doing the speed limit in any car over that crossroads flashes up my TC light lol.
I do about half my annual mileage towing with my EV and agree charging stations need sorting. We now have a handful that actually have pull thru spaces! The luxury.
Normally I use a motor mover to shift the trailer separately, speeds everything up massively.
Efficiency when you were towing seems shocking, i get about 2 miles per kwh when towing and about double that when not. Drag of the trailer is is the biggest impact on efficiency, especially if going over 60.
The plus of heavy car with tons of torque from zero rpm means i won't switch back to towing with an ICE as the car bosses the trailer, not the other way around. Its a faff, but its getting better already
Nice to see an honest assessment of the challenges of towing with an EV, rather than the all-to-frequent over-emotional anti-EV rant.
@@AndrewBell-c2tshould change c2t to End
What are you driving and what are you towing?
@@AndrewBell-c2t Didn't say what he was driving or what he was towing. Is he towing a jet ski or is he towing a 30 foot boat? Kind of matters.
@@venom5809 Ioniq 5, towing a caravan thats MTPLM is at the rated max it can tow .
Weight does not matter anywhere near as much as aero on any long distance journey for EV towing, anything remotely sensible has more than enough torque to pull what its tow capacity is rated for and it just does not need much throttle at all, its like the van is not there, I can see noticeable improvements or decreases in efficiency by cruising at 50, 55, 60.
The towing thing is interesting. It's not just caravans that are common on the road. Horse trailers are everywhere and often doing long distances. And unlike caravans or trailers you can't unhitch to recharge your car if you have a horse on the trailer.
I’ve got a Cayenne S with the 4.2L Diesel. Sounds epic, goes brilliantly well (for a tank), looks nice, has a huge range and a fabulous, button-rich cockpit. I’m minding it fastidiously and get more and more concerned with preserving it with each new iteration of Porsche.
Everything I don't need.
Must be hell on tire life.
i wonder how much 4 tyres cost, plus brakes
@@iwaswrongabouteveryhthing Brake wear is not an issue with EVs. Due to recuperation, the mechanical brakes will last much longer than with combustion engines. The unavoidable amount of additional tire wear due to the higher vehicle weight is approximately 5%. Tire wear can be very high though due to the high torque EVs offer - but this depends soley on the driving style and is therefore not different to combustion vehicles with a lot of power.
Always good to see the Elan make an appearance. So different from today's leviathans.
always an honest real world review from Harry. Thanks mate.
Towed my cararvan with my Polestar2 . It takes time. But its a good car to tow with.
2500km this summer.
They build charge station so stupid that you nearly almost needs to unhook the caravan.
Am I correct in thinking that 'turbo' as an engineering term can apply only to combustion engines? That there is no such thing (other than marketing) as a 'turbo' EV?
Yeah, it's just the name of the spec for some reason
@@PixelVibe42 as someone wrote earlier Turbo relates to how fast it will depreciate.
merc were calling a 4 door a coupe
exactly as marketing is the main focus nowadays to catch new new customers. Preferably those mid 30s to 40s, career driven, the trust fund yuppies spending the family made money and the occasional boomer with spare money left. 9 out of 10 porsches on the road here in germany are the standard leasing / finance specced cars. Boring and generic, as the consumers. It´s about the brand image, they have no car related background whatsoever
I wish the bought back "turbo buttons' on PCs, they were awesome.
You can hear it munching through those massively expensive tyres!
I think that was the audible tone that the law requires it produce.
I tow my boat with my ID Buzz, 6m Rib. You lose range just like mpg dropping with an ICE car but it’s totally fine.
No it's not, it's totally unacceptable. EVs aren't designed for towing. Good runabouts for the city, but terrible for anything else imho.
@ I’ve got 4 EV’s had 6 in total. Nearly 500k miles all over the UK, Cornwall to Scotland had no issues.
People are just scared of change that’s all.
Excellent review Harry - objective, informative, knowledgeable and enjoyable, as always.
I went to the dealer with the thought of swapping my F-Pace for one, on PCP it was 2.5X more per month than the Jag. The residuals on these electric cars are utterly awful.
I wonder where Porsche put the turbo in its electric cars? (Hint of sarcasm !)
Thanks Harry . You've cemented my thoughts on this incredibly expensive and hopeless view into the future .
John, do you mean Porsche has a hopeless future?
Your future is hopeless. We elected Trump.
@@mickjoebills No way Mick. Porsche still make superb vehicles but l just can't except EV is the future but Hybrid yes
No rear wash wipe will be a pain in the winter.
No rear wash wipe will save the battery......
It's a no-charge option and agree, I would add it
@@carlmaissan4340
Ah sneaky way to help the aero and improve the range figures. As everyone will probably tick the box.
@@carlmaissan4340Porsche have a no charge option?Madness sheer madness. Someone will be fired for that oversight.
Rest assured, it is an ‘at cost’ option…
Fantastic that someone has finally stated the obvious about towing with an EV, Harry's always to the point, no messing! No infrastructure for any trailer/vehicle combo at charging stations, now that was a hilarious oversight wasn't it :D
Your trailering experience is standard fair. No news here. No outrage. Not shocking.
Great review of a car I already wasn’t attracted to, and now am definitely convinced is not worth any consideration.
Another pointless overpriced SUV no one really needs. You will be on first name terms with your local tyre supplier.
Yes and everybody is surprised the air quality doesn't improve..
Just losing your tyres in 7-10k miles.
@@JJVernig air quality would improve if the west didnt move it's industry baggage onto countries that have no regulations whatsoever. too late now i guess.
@@JJVernigthe tyres are going into the air? What rabbit hole have you gone down?? 😂
@@Damo699 They do. Rubber wears into ultra fine particles of rubber/carbon (the thing that makes them black is carbon ash)
There not really an SUV anymore, the batteries are under the floor so it's just a tall 5 door hatchback
A £100k for a bland blob! The irony being that the relatively old ICE Macan is far more desirable, cheaper and far better looking too.
Couldn’t agree more, I walked past one the other day and couldn’t believe it was a £100k + car
Nobody does reviews better than Harry
The wheels influence efficiency much more than you think. I drive a BMW i4 M50 and BMW claims the 20‘ optionals wheels reduce the range by -70kms (45mls). It‘s not only the higher rotational mass but also the very sporty rubber on them. I am pretty sure these 22‘ make up for 30-50mls. Though, I completely agree that potentially the 4S (with standard wheels) is the pick of the range.
Great review, as always. I'm sure the manufacturers are on the edge of their seats watching Harry's devastatingly honest reviews for the first time. The big question is, will the Macan take the same enormous depreciation hit that the Taycan experienced? Or is this SUV sector more resilient in the resale market? I wouldn't like to be one of the early adopters to find out.
This will plummit like the Taycan if they produce as many. That is because of all the people that have no trust in Evs and even less in used evs.
They are so much on the edge of their seats that they keep giving him press cars
Anything larger than 19" wheels is crazy on cars.⚠️
Way too much unsprung weight
I totally agree with you and if EVs are crazy the trend toward "dubs" on everything short of econoboxes is sheer lunacy.
If you don't live in a house, and can't charge your car at night, an EV doesn't make any financial sense.
Even then, what you save in fuel by the discounted and promotional rate of home-charging is easily eaten up by the extreme depreciation and the cost of the installation of a fast charger. If you charged in public, the 64p per kWh rate is equivalent to around 24mpg, which is in the range of a V12 or an old and inefficient V8.
@@ComeJesusChrist You're absolutely right, I didn't want to go into detail. Actually I thought, it only makes sense if it is a small car that is used exclusively for city driving, shop, school, to work and back, training...etc, and charged at night at home. Let's say Dacia spring as the second or third car in the household.
@@markomicovic5308 Then you face the EV premium compared to the very same or comparable ICE model. The EV Corsa is a good example of a small car being £10k more expensive than its petrol equivalent. I don’t know whether they really started on any price parity, but that would just mean raising the price of the ICE model as EV prices are inflated due to the government subsidies.
Yes, for somebody who doesn't charge "at home" the EV is a rather dubious choice. Some exceptions (looking at you Tesla fans) exist but it can be a challenge.
Great review Harry. Touching all main aspects of the Macan.
Wonder if the lower headlights will make it better for other road users. If this stops us from being blinded thank you Porsche
I am sure its very accomplished, but the thought of an electric Porsche Macan just doesn't get my juices flowing. A PHEV or MHEV version would be quite tempting as it would still have some soul in the engine department and would be just as fast.
The government is taxing everything that isn’t 100% electric and this will only get worse unfortunately.
Harry is a great presenter. The car is awful.
Can we just take a moment to remember that towing with an ICE vehicle will also considerably reduce the mpg and consequently their range too. Can't argue about the charging issue at fast chargers, that will definitely need addressed.
Yep - I drove to Wales once with 4x bikes on the roof a Ford Focus and only got 160 miles out of a full tank of fuel.
Yeah, but compare recharging with a trailer vs refuelling. It's not about the reduced efficiency per se - it's the incredible impracticality of towing with an EV.
Yeah...but here's the difference. There tens of thousands of gas stations that you can refuel at when towing with an ICE vehicle, with many of them being diesel that even towing will still get 300 plus miles out of a tank. Not to mention if you're towing a fifth wheel for camping, the nearest charging station could easily be over 100 miles away.
@@andoletube my electric mower beats my gas mower in every respect but one. i am not supposed to let it get rained on. its towing power is obscene compared to my gas mower.
@@victorhopper6774 What's that got to do with anything? What part of range-problem are you not comprehending? Did you not grasp the troubles Harry was having?
Watching your reviews is very difficult!
I can't keep my attention on these new cars, with the beautiful works of art in the back ground. The red Ferrari and Porsche are my dream cars 🤩
Great review Harry - highlighting one of the big problems of EV ownership. Anyone who tows anything is not going to like owning an EV!
EVs are niche vehicles. They work superbly as commuter cars that can be charged at home overnight. Other than if you want to haul a trailer, get yourself a diesel.
As usual another excellent informative Video from Harry.
The more I discover about the ACTUAL experience of running an EV the more convinced I am that i don`t want one!
Long term petrol head. Onto my 4th EV after 5 yrs. Would never buy a new ice car again
Drive one. Then see what you think. (Rather than defaulting to the internet)
@@gordonbarnes8229 company car?
In before the typical electric car hate here.
You guys have to remember who the typical Macan buyer is and what the Macan was up until now. It's usually someone more obsessed with style than substance looking to get something with a Porsche badge. I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of Macans are driven around in a city and never tow a trailer. At the end of the day, it was an Audi Q5, which was arguably more capable in the performance department.
I've been in the passenger seat at Weissach in one of these and oh man - the new one is immensely capable around there. Of course its no sportscar, but its felt incredibly tight and the balance is superb for the fact that it looks like an overgrown toad.
See it that way: A few years down the line, when they are depreciated, you'll get a 20k Porsche as a daily driver that hauls five people plus luggage, is close to supercar fast AND you can slide it around like a BMW M3.
If you argue that sound is missing from it, less not forget that the majority of ICE-Macans have an Volkswagen inline four that is hardly worth of a Porsche badge and is almost an ambient noise on the inside. I'd rather have no sound than a bad sound.
It's the inevitable future that almost all cars will be electric so I'm looking forward to getting one of these for cheap and have a proper sportscar for the weekend on the side.
As a bonus they get a noisy car
Yep, insane world we live in. Imagine fixing anything on that on a Sunday afternoon, in the garden... lol
A great insight, especially interested in the towing range. Oh, saw my website flash up too when you referenced the number of caravans 👍🏻 Yes the charging whilst towing is an issue which doesn't exist when towing with an ICE 😮
I have caravanned for 33 years. Would never contemplate towing with an EV. Yes it will pull it, but just imagine recharging with a caravan hitched on the back. It would be so stressful. Diesel is the best option at the moment, but governments are forcing you off the road with taxes. They will lose billions in tax revenue when the leisure industry is lost.
Good used ICE SUVs suitable for towing will be worth a mint after the ban on new sales comes in.
You could of course easily filter for pull-through charging stations in your charging app or navigation...
@@McTrex123 what a hassle, EVs don't make any sense for me, but each to their own, I guess?
There is a crisis in the auto industry today and its not surprising .They have been ordered to stop producing diesel and petrol cars and produce more EVs instead . The trouble is we dont want them .
Who is we😂
@@martinslocombe2288 not just cars, lots of stuff the government are involved with that very few people want.
@@Y2Kvids probably the majority of the buying public, motor traders or the motor manufacturers....
Funny thing is almost no-one wants to go back to ICE when they've switched to EV. But nooooo, "we" don't want them 😂
No idea why people are so surprised EVs are less efficient whilst towing. So is every car, even a diesel will be less efficient whilst towing an extra couple tons of additional weight. Simple physics.
Yeah, but not as bad as EVs are. That's completely impractical.
The problem with this car is, why wouldnt i just get a used Macan Turbo and save prob 50-70k?
Sadly, Porsche were committed to EV Mahans and Cayman/Boxster before realizing no one wanted them and they’d depreciate so badly. And now they are going to have to scramble to course correct. If they can without massive compromises.