It's an auto industry chocolate pudding diet. If the goal was to save the environment then cars would be simpler, smaller and lighter. There are more and more 2.5 ton electric 'cars' chewing up the roads and the thought of being crashed into by one of these is an uncomfortable thought.
But there are already some smaller & cheaper cars ? (Ignoring my old Nissan Leaf that I sold for £1600 !) Citroen Ami, if you want an extreme example, or the Dacia Spring ? Hyundai are also launching some, and the Chinese do some, too !
The goal of governments is to reduce environmental damage. The goal of profit-oriented firms, such as Porsche, is to maximize profit, which is currently best achieved through expensive crossovers and SUVs. Easy right?
Very true. If the politicians were serious about the environment then they would tax all the large, heavy cars off the road. It is amazing to think how people used to manage with Metros, Fiestas, Escorts. These same people now "needs" massive pretend-offroaders for their shopping/school runs. Just give me a Renault 4 with modern rustproofing and it will do me fine. If I want to go faster then I will use my motorbike.
Great review as always Harry. I went EV a year ago and picked up a heavily depreciated I Pace. As someone who does a 60 mile round trip commute an EV is perfect, charging at home on an EV tariff costs me £40 a month, in an ICE car fuel would cost north of £200. But they have a long way to go before they make sense for everyone.
Agree I have owned a small EV town commuter for four years, but also need my ICE vehicles for their functions. The 100% EV mandate makes no sense whatsoever.
It’s deeply ironic that manufactures are mandated to fit a so called safety device (lane assist), which in reality is dangerous. I have a Skoda and it’s the first thing I switch off before I set off. I agree with Harry; it might work on a freeway in the US but it is downright dangerous on UK roads.
I personally love lane control but assist is so annoying. Lane control takes over the steering wheel and centers you when it knows it can. Assist just kicks you in the side 😅
Got rear ended in a Skoda Octavia company pool car, normal country road, doing the restricted 80kmh at that stretch, car came up at a junction to the right - and yes, it was maybe slightly too far in the main road I was driving on but still perfectly acceptable. Collision system engaged and hit the brakes so hard, the guy behind me didn t make it in time and I was in shock that the car hit the brakes with a lot of beeping. I simply didn t know this system was active and would react this way. Never felt this bad for someone else and even argued in his favour in front of the police coz no sane person would have ever hit the brakes this hard in that situation, to this day, I still feel guilty for that incident.
@@timday6087 I took a hire car back to the depot I thought it was faulty only to be told it was the lane assist and need to use indicators even if nothing around.
@@daverichardson8918It’s a nightmare. I have been pulled towards a hedge when it detected a road repair/tar line in the road. It’s really disconcerting when you are not expecting it.
How fast do road cars need to be in this day and age? I'd much rather have a good range and good towing capacity than a 0-60 of 3 seconds. Thanks for the video.
I imagine the hitch is meant for towing either a complete, fully-charged spare battery pack on wheels, or a diesel generator. So much more convenient than putting a couple of gallons of petrol in a plastic container and slinging it in the boot.🙄
Dealerships are sitting on a crapton of stock all over the world. There are videos on youtube where huge lots of 160k+ dollar Taycans are just sitting outside in the elements for 2 years now. Same in my country in europe and it's obviously not only Porsches. Here there are rows and rows of Audi E-Trons that nobody has touched all over dealerships.
@@drfisheye Have you seen how cheap a once $80,000 10 year old Tesla model S is now in the US? You can pick them up for around $15,000 - but unless all you want to do with it is drive to the grocery store and back and you don't mind charging it multiple times per week, it's $15,000 wasted, because the range on them now sucks, and it costs another $15,000 to replace the battery. Considering you can get into a pretty decent EV new for $30,000 now, they are just becoming disposable. Some newer EV's, you can't even replace the battery because it is a structural component of the car. I did have a quick look to see if this is the case for the Macan, but I can't find anything on it. Combine that with the general collapse of Porsche quality meaning no doubt a 10 year old model that has had any kind of regular use will have lots of other problems to fix, I doubt anyone is going to want one of these used in 10 years time.
@@JJVernig air quality would improve if the west didnt move it's industry baggage onto countries that have no regulations whatsoever. too late now i guess.
TFL in America have done extensive testing of towing with all vehicles including EVs. One memorable test compared a cybertruck with a Ram pickup with 6*7litre Cummins diesel. Identical trailers run simultaneously, the Cybertruck went from 320 miles range to 170 when it realised it had a trailer on. It went from 100% charge to 6% in 86 miles and took over an hour to charge. The Ram could have done nearly 400 miles on the tank and it took 5 mins to fill up. EVs are useless at towing for range purposes.
Little wonder European car makers are struggling when they are charging £108k for the likes of this. I know it's a Porsche but there are better options, that will be worth £35k in a year, great review as always.
Every time someone mentions EV depreciation the numbers get worse. It’s just like Chinese whispers 🤣 £35k in a year - just LoL. Even G1 base spec, 3 year old Taycan’s are £40k on the used market.
I mean it’s a Porsche they’re almost always prohibitively expensive. Older Porsche SUVs with ICE engines are also quite well known for depreciating a lot.
Porsche are the only ones who properly integrate screens in the interior The others just put a tablet in front of you and say “yeah that your new gauge cluster” All the best to everyone
A defining feature between brands has historically been the engine - the engineering involved, power, no of cylinders etc. It feels like in an EV world this key differentiator has been completely lost - there really is no difference between the drivetrain of a Tesla or EV Porsche or a Chinese EV. I don't think the existing premium brands like Porsche are doing 'enough' to justify their positive attributes. Perhaps because they no longer realistically can?
Even more funny is that lift the bonnet on a macan gts and literally everything is made in China including suspension. German engineering made in China. My partner’s son bought one and was a bit pissed when I pointed out that everything was made in China. No surprise as China makes nearly every thing for all new cars. Hence they let the western countries design and give the standards then they apply the same standards to their own cars. Result their car manufacturers pay the real price not the export price to western mugs. Hence Chinese electric cars are cheaper than western cars. Japan 1970s China 2000s. Create your own demise, isn’t the west clever.
@@Nyx_88888 most don’t and believe me I was shocked when I saw in a Porsche with made in China on everything. Not what one expects, I used to work in the finance industry so saw a lot of the exporting to China of manufacturing in 2000-3. That appeared to be contained to headlights, seats, interior trim, wiper assemblies this was started by the Japanese companies and a lot of US and EU countries joined in. Then when you consider apple makes all their products in China and just package in the US, given the cheap electricity and energy in general In China you can understand the move. Brand recognition tends to blind people especially when build quality remains high.
Good comment. To part with the money it has to be evocative. Or for the still uninformed - display the right status badge. Trading on an out of date perception isn’t going to work for the younger folk. All in all the Macan looks unattractive. Not as bad as VW’s ID range but still. VW are suffering but then there’s a shift change coming to a string of OEMs. If Porsche are sticking with the Taycan “look” then it won’t be long before they’re one of the OEMs struggling. Won’t be the first time the 911 saved them
I always watch Harry to find out about the other side of car life but got more excited seeing the lovely little Austin A30 /35 peanut going by at 18.25 !
Another car that will depreciate by 60% within a year. And why do they call it a turbo 👎🏻100 mile range when towing brilliant I’ll have 3 strategically positioned en route to Cornwall for my caravan holiday
As a used car buyer, I see this as an absolute win. These cars are not special supercars, just buy them for cheap after 3 years when they had most of the depreciation and the battery is still healthy.
Wonderful job finding a couple of positives with this car Harry. You’d have to drive about 49,600 miles before this is cheaper than the ICE version. Don’t let the price out you off. Wait 24 months and you’ll get one for £30k. 😂
Half the reason you buy a car like Porsche, bmw etc is the engine. When you remove that you’re just left with a generic electric motor that will be loads of different manufacturers cars. It’s not special
I disagree. Owning several teslas trying to figure out "what's next" this is where i'm looking. It may not be "porsche" special, but it's still "EV" special.
For 90% of previous generation Macan owners this will be a great upgrade. I think the ‘base’ RWD model is the pick of the bunch, reduced cost and weight combined with greater efficiency and still plenty quick enough. For reference Out Of Spec range tested a Macan Turbo (same as in this video) at 70mph and got 3.1m/Wh and a range of 294 miles at that speed. So I would suspect a real world range of 250 is easily achieved.
Indeed, not many Porsche owners actually tow anything, certainly not for any distance. It is like US reviewers who used to complain that US divers can't drive a EV almost all the way across the US on one charge.
Rich people like convenience. Electric cars are not convenient for most people. Many Macans are driven by the wives of the rich people who buy them, and women despise electric cars (according to recent statistics).
20 years ago, you would probably be moaning about Porsche making an SUV! The diehards still do🙄 it allows Porsche to make the 911. Sign of the times. At least it drives like a Porsche.
Austin A35 going the opposite way at 18.26 minutes into video. Just imagine those two cars parked next to each other, the size difference would be quite noticeable.
So: an A35 saloon is at least 65 years old and, from the bright finish to the front grill, that might even be an A30 which means it's nearly 70 years old. I would offer that this is what real sustainable motoring looks like: a splash of fuel every now and again, service it once a year and it's happy. The Porsche will effectively be scrap in, what, about 10 years? Having used a huge amount of resources both to make it and subsequently recycle it. Will someone please explain how this is good for the planet.
Or to put it another way, the habit of dragging a miniaturised version of your house behind you is only made feasible by the enormously higher energy density of Petrol and Diesel.
I don't mind EVs, but this is IMO too ugly. Porsche isn't my fav but normally they have some character. Fake vents and a slab of silver plastic glued to the sides, not my cup'o'tea at all.
Trying to give a monkeys and struggling. It's in a lovely shade if orange. Hoovies F150 Lightning was showing low charge after 40 miles of towing. But it just illustrates the inbuilt limit of having to carry all the energy with you rather than combusting atmospheric oxygen.
Obviously they send you the fastest, most extreme and expensive model thinking it’ll please you…. When really, a bit less might be a lot more! The real world eh?… what do we know….🙄 Still, great research all the same. Great review as always Harry. Thank you so much💥🤓
EV evangelists always go on about the one dimensional speed, 0 to 60 stuff. Yeah! Interesting first time but then??? Tesla owners especially rant bout speed. 🙄 At least this handles like a Porsche. But you are right, Autocar think the base rear wheel drive is the sweet spot.
I was towing in Germany with a sailplane trailer, while they do not suffer the same drag penalty as your trailer but it is still considerable with a 75% penalty, but in Germany they have an increasing number of Truck focused charging stations (with people like Amazon and DHL moving to electric truck fleets) and the Gliding community being quite sizeable and influential in Germany they have gained access to this network so can use these charging stations that are designed for vehicles with trailers and they are 300kwh chargers. But I notice that the first purpose designed Truck charging station in UK (why are we so far behind!) was not interested in granting access to drivers with a 9m+ sailplane trailer in tow (why would a fuel station refuse business by saying we are trucks only), which because of its length is too long to access your typical UK service station car park and with so many older UK service station layed out in a way to deny you access from the Truck park where you need to drop the trailer to the chargers in the car only car park without venturing back onto the motorwar and turning round at junctions, the UK is as you say has made zero effort to accommodate electric cars towing.
I happened to be working at a motorway services recently, within sight of the EV charging points, and the issue of caravans being towed by electric cars came to mind. Our thoughts reflected your findings; charging stations aren't made to accommodate vehicles that are towing. Given the shocking effect on range (which we hadn't considered), can you imagine the chaos when 15000 caravan users try to get to/from Cornwall on bank holidey weeked in 20 years time? Unless something changes dramatically, I can't see the caravan holiday surviving. Some may well rejoice of course!
Great review, as always. I'm sure the manufacturers are on the edge of their seats watching Harry's devastatingly honest reviews for the first time. The big question is, will the Macan take the same enormous depreciation hit that the Taycan experienced? Or is this SUV sector more resilient in the resale market? I wouldn't like to be one of the early adopters to find out.
The panel for crucial controls is good, but you still need to look at it (well away from the road), because its all touch-sensitive "buttons". In my cheap old golf, I can adjust the climate control or turn on the heated seats by feel alone, thats how it still should be.
You'll need to go for a head injury assessment if you regularly mash the pedal in that thing! It looks a nice car in that colour, just needs a 4 litre V8 up front to make it really desirable.
I have caravanned for 33 years. Would never contemplate towing with an EV. Yes it will pull it, but just imagine recharging with a caravan hitched on the back. It would be so stressful. Diesel is the best option at the moment, but governments are forcing you off the road with taxes. They will lose billions in tax revenue when the leisure industry is lost.
Am I correct in thinking that 'turbo' as an engineering term can apply only to combustion engines? That there is no such thing (other than marketing) as a 'turbo' EV?
Imagine towing your caravan to the south of France. You'd need another week off for the travelling time. CD factor interesting, The Audi 100 was 0.30 in the 1980's, doesn't feel like we've come that far.
I am sure its very accomplished, but the thought of an electric Porsche Macan just doesn't get my juices flowing. A PHEV or MHEV version would be quite tempting as it would still have some soul in the engine department and would be just as fast.
Great video as ever. The sound made by Porsche EVs reminds me of the transmission howl of the Volvo Ailsa double decker buses which were everywhere when I was a kid in the ‘80s.
I do about half my annual mileage towing with my EV and agree charging stations need sorting. We now have a handful that actually have pull thru spaces! The luxury. Normally I use a motor mover to shift the trailer separately, speeds everything up massively. Efficiency when you were towing seems shocking, i get about 2 miles per kwh when towing and about double that when not. Drag of the trailer is is the biggest impact on efficiency, especially if going over 60. The plus of heavy car with tons of torque from zero rpm means i won't switch back to towing with an ICE as the car bosses the trailer, not the other way around. Its a faff, but its getting better already
Was initially annoyed with the term Turbo on an EV. But the equivalent electric module is called a transformer, can't use that as Marvel would sue. OK let's abbreviate it to five letters. Ah, now I understand.
It’s the end of motoring everything. After-market tuning, high powered sounds systems, caravaning, long touring holidays. The list goes on. They will kill the rural economy. And the new UK govt has brought forward the misery to 2030.
@@petersmith6520vast majority do not tow caravans or fit scaffolding pipes as exhausts. EVs are better cars in pretty much every other metric. Bring it on!
I'm not surprised at all that the range was cut in half towing the trailer; just turning on a heater or windshield wipers will impact the range enough to be noticeable. My brother bought a new Ford F-150 Lightning electric truck and had to drive to the airport, the range showed that he had ample charge to get there, everything was fine until it started to rain and get cold. He turned on the heater and wipers and not long after that realized that he might not make it to the airport anymore. He searched for a charger and found one 20 minutes from the highway, went there and charged for an hour, then drove back to the highway where he had turned off and discovered that he had exactly the same range left as when he left the highway to charge up! He made it to the airport but it was a stressful situation when catching a flight with your family!
Harry, electric cars are totally unsuitable for pulling trailers, a friend of mine has a Ford F-150 lightening and regrets it, he gets with his trailers of + 4000 kilos but 75 come far and then has to charge. Colleagues who go on a skiing holiday from the Netherlands to Austria have to charge 4.5 times one way. I drive from Berlin to the Netherlands in the middle of the night on half a tank of Diesel with my Mercedes C-class 220 Bleutec. In the Netherlands we also see the sales of electric cars plummet, now that motorists also have to pay the full road tax and the subsidies have been stopped, they are massively returning to fuel cars.
Why would anyone buy a Ford F-150 lightning for towing without knowing the effect on range? Don't buyers do some research before buying? Well, considering how Americans voted, this may be a retorical question. Just rent a car if you want to go skiing 600 miles away in winter. Pretty sure those people rent a car when they fly.
It's a lovely car inside and out, and you can tell that Porsche do still care about the driver. However, as Harry put it, they are in a "hard place" because their calling card used to be engineering prowess. But now that every Tom, Dick and Harry (no pun intended) can now churn out a fast electric car, you have to wonder if there are enough folks interested in any minor handling advantage plus the "price of exclusivity." The badge probably only carrys weight as long as they can churn out road-racers like the GT3, Turbo, (etc) and we all know where that's going...
I always appreciate it when Harry is demo'ing a vehicles infotainment screen. He touches it very apprehensively, as if its going to suddenly attack him! Like a dog you're a little unsure about, when you give it your hand to smell. Keep it up, Harry. Don't change. Cars are for driving, after all. They're not bloody televisions.
We are used to ICE cars not losing so much effieciency when towing, because so much is lost from the heat of the engine etc.. adding a trailer is a lower proporton of the energy consumption. The Macan might be big, but the trailer is even bigger! about twice the cross section area of the car, and aboutt he same mass if it's loaded. Without the energy losses of a ICE, it's no wonder that is uses more than 2x the eneergy.
Absolutely! Macan's net battery capacity of 95 kWh is the energy equivalent of 2.35 imperial gallons of gasoline. How far you gonna tow that trailer on 2.35 gallons?
My Macan; sunroof leak fills floor with water, fills rear qtr with water. The water then fried the modules at the rear qtr. If you live where it doesn’t rain, great suv.
For towing there are two problems you highlight quite correctly and two relatively easy solutions. For the charging we need pull through chargers, these are already becoming a thing in the USA. For the range the obvious solution is to add a battery to the tow vehicle which could either be connected to the car or drive a small pusher motor on the trailer/caravan. Big advantage for a caravan is this say 50kW battery could run your caravan off grid for days. There are for sure problems to be overcome but it does not seem insurmountable and even brings benefits!
My brother just got an Ioniq 6 - it's a great car and in so many ways seems just as good as what I imagine a lower spec Macan would be like - and that's the big question for me - why pay extra for a Porsche when the experience between brands will be so much more homgenised - it was always the engine and dynamics that you paid for but I suspect that becomes wafer thin unless you go for the Turbo nutter which is such a huge amount more.
Porsche dynamics are still there. Considering the ICE version most people bought was a 4 cylinder, and not a great engine, not really a big step. You hd to pay more for 6 cylinder versions. But I get it. Only the feel they can work on and that’s harder.
Can we just take a moment to remember that towing with an ICE vehicle will also considerably reduce the mpg and consequently their range too. Can't argue about the charging issue at fast chargers, that will definitely need addressed.
Yeah, but compare recharging with a trailer vs refuelling. It's not about the reduced efficiency per se - it's the incredible impracticality of towing with an EV.
Yeah...but here's the difference. There tens of thousands of gas stations that you can refuel at when towing with an ICE vehicle, with many of them being diesel that even towing will still get 300 plus miles out of a tank. Not to mention if you're towing a fifth wheel for camping, the nearest charging station could easily be over 100 miles away.
@@andoletube my electric mower beats my gas mower in every respect but one. i am not supposed to let it get rained on. its towing power is obscene compared to my gas mower.
@@victorhopper6774 What's that got to do with anything? What part of range-problem are you not comprehending? Did you not grasp the troubles Harry was having?
My 70 year old mom picked up hers, non turbo and no rear steering, a few days ago. I drove it hard, and it felt and behaved like a Porsche. You could feel the weight transfer in your back when pushing it, which is a good thing, but the suspension took care of it. Towing - Maybe not for the caravan lifestyle, but works for house needs :)
The wheels influence efficiency much more than you think. I drive a BMW i4 M50 and BMW claims the 20‘ optionals wheels reduce the range by -70kms (45mls). It‘s not only the higher rotational mass but also the very sporty rubber on them. I am pretty sure these 22‘ make up for 30-50mls. Though, I completely agree that potentially the 4S (with standard wheels) is the pick of the range.
Looks like any other SUV in particular cars from Korea or China, that you could buy for less than half the price 🤷♂️ No wonder VAG are closing factories…
VW only came up with a Tesla Model S EV competitor (A6) for 2025, 13 years afterwards so it is no surprise. Also the A8 is closer in some aspects (air suspension and size) and it looks like they shelved it again. 😂
You would need the GMC Sierra EV to tow any distance. They just slap a huge battery in it to make that possible (230kwh or something) and very fast charging speeds.
In before the typical electric car hate here. You guys have to remember who the typical Macan buyer is and what the Macan was up until now. It's usually someone more obsessed with style than substance looking to get something with a Porsche badge. I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of Macans are driven around in a city and never tow a trailer. At the end of the day, it was an Audi Q5, which was arguably more capable in the performance department. I've been in the passenger seat at Weissach in one of these and oh man - the new one is immensely capable around there. Of course its no sportscar, but its felt incredibly tight and the balance is superb for the fact that it looks like an overgrown toad. See it that way: A few years down the line, when they are depreciated, you'll get a 20k Porsche as a daily driver that hauls five people plus luggage, is close to supercar fast AND you can slide it around like a BMW M3. If you argue that sound is missing from it, less not forget that the majority of ICE-Macans have an Volkswagen inline four that is hardly worth of a Porsche badge and is almost an ambient noise on the inside. I'd rather have no sound than a bad sound. It's the inevitable future that almost all cars will be electric so I'm looking forward to getting one of these for cheap and have a proper sportscar for the weekend on the side.
Great insight to exactly what this car is - a very heavy, over-priced, electric vehicle with huge depreciation included at no extra cost at the outset. I'll stick with my Macan S thank you.
Great video as always, but all I hear is it’s just another electric vehicle that’s almost pointless for purpose, unless you’re using it for your daily short commute or school run car.
Watching your reviews is very difficult! I can't keep my attention on these new cars, with the beautiful works of art in the back ground. The red Ferrari and Porsche are my dream cars 🤩
Really useful info on towing. It seems to me EV's are heading the way of betamax unless these rumoured solid state batteries drastically improve things. What's the fascination? Mining the rare earth materials destroys forest habitats like nothing else, they're toxic as hell and have to be stuck in landfill when redundant, and they catch fire like nothing else. Bio fuels, hydrogen etc surely has to be the way forward
I quite like this myself, if funds were available I'd have one, as for towing I've done 1000 miles this year with my petrol Tiguan - this Porsche would not work at all, however it probably would for the majority of our weekends we've had away this year. Also owning an Electric Kona I know about the public charging and the bizarre idea of fitting chargers with drive in spaces rather than drive through. With my Tiguan I’ve recorded around 50% mpg towing the caravan, with an electric car if its 300 miles range down to 150 that’d be a very big struggle to justify.
Fun fact: what is the maximum combined weight possible for a car plus trailer for a normal driving licence holder? I think for example that in France it is 3.5 t.
Depends what she is going to use it for, EVs are great in the right circumstances. Charge at home, don't do very long journeys regularly, they are fine - don't try towing the horsebox with one, though 😂. Depreciation on luxury cars, EV or ICE, is brutal of course. The ZEV mandate on the other hand is madness !!!
I really like the lower headlight position, more car makers should follow that. Pricing still looks reasonable on these. Compared to a Model Y it is a chunk more money, but you get the interior and driving dynamics to match the badge. Not a bad EV at all.
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It's an auto industry chocolate pudding diet.
If the goal was to save the environment then cars would be simpler, smaller and lighter. There are more and more 2.5 ton electric 'cars' chewing up the roads and the thought of being crashed into by one of these is an uncomfortable thought.
But there are already some smaller & cheaper cars ?
(Ignoring my old Nissan Leaf that I sold for £1600 !)
Citroen Ami, if you want an extreme example, or the Dacia Spring ?
Hyundai are also launching some, and the Chinese do some, too !
The goal of governments is to reduce environmental damage. The goal of profit-oriented firms, such as Porsche, is to maximize profit, which is currently best achieved through expensive crossovers and SUVs. Easy right?
Lighter than full size suvs like Rangerover etc...
the environment doesn't need saving. it's a lie a ruse a deception.
Very true. If the politicians were serious about the environment then they would tax all the large, heavy cars off the road. It is amazing to think how people used to manage with Metros, Fiestas, Escorts. These same people now "needs" massive pretend-offroaders for their shopping/school runs.
Just give me a Renault 4 with modern rustproofing and it will do me fine. If I want to go faster then I will use my motorbike.
Watching this review because Harry is presenting it. Absolutely no interest in the subject of the review!
Same
You're not interested with "saving the planet" with a three tons piece of junk ??? 🤔
Just what I was thinking. There’ll be a Tyrell’s Garage vid next…EV free zone.
Shane Harry doesn't know anything about cars
The towing thing was an eye opener!
This car accelerates almost as violently as it will depreciate. Wait 6 months, and you'll get a pre-registered one for half it's RRP.
Retired Klaus via Starmer will keep enforcing it.
if the depreciation is anything like the Taycan, then i agree, again this will be aimed at the corporate/company market for sure!
Excellent, I might almost be able to afford one then
@@simonstock2526 But it is shyte!
@@simonstock2526 So long as you don't mind then losing £54,000.
Great review as always Harry. I went EV a year ago and picked up a heavily depreciated I Pace. As someone who does a 60 mile round trip commute an EV is perfect, charging at home on an EV tariff costs me £40 a month, in an ICE car fuel would cost north of £200.
But they have a long way to go before they make sense for everyone.
EV = Yawn
Agree I have owned a small EV town commuter for four years, but also need my ICE vehicles for their functions. The 100% EV mandate makes no sense whatsoever.
Maybe I’m getting old but I really don’t like all the bigs screens
it's not the age, i am a 90's kid and id rather own a refurbished 60's car then 99% of the cars from 2024
Not the age, I’m 18 and despise screens in cars
amazes me that more manufacturers don't buck the trend - we all know flat panels are borderline unfit for purpose for drivers to operate
Yep. I have an Audi TT gen1. Nothing screen wise. It’s a blessing while driving
Not only you! :)
It’s deeply ironic that manufactures are mandated to fit a so called safety device (lane assist), which in reality is dangerous. I have a Skoda and it’s the first thing I switch off before I set off. I agree with Harry; it might work on a freeway in the US but it is downright dangerous on UK roads.
I personally love lane control but assist is so annoying.
Lane control takes over the steering wheel and centers you when it knows it can. Assist just kicks you in the side 😅
Got rear ended in a Skoda Octavia company pool car, normal country road, doing the restricted 80kmh at that stretch, car came up at a junction to the right - and yes, it was maybe slightly too far in the main road I was driving on but still perfectly acceptable. Collision system engaged and hit the brakes so hard, the guy behind me didn t make it in time and I was in shock that the car hit the brakes with a lot of beeping. I simply didn t know this system was active and would react this way. Never felt this bad for someone else and even argued in his favour in front of the police coz no sane person would have ever hit the brakes this hard in that situation, to this day, I still feel guilty for that incident.
I have all these features on my Focus ST, but I always have it turned off. Just like self parking: nice to show to others😂 I park it faster myself
@@timday6087 I took a hire car back to the depot I thought it was faulty only to be told it was the lane assist and need to use indicators even if nothing around.
@@daverichardson8918It’s a nightmare. I have been pulled towards a hedge when it detected a road repair/tar line in the road. It’s really disconcerting when you are not expecting it.
I get more and more angry as the bureaucrats keep mandating annoying new “ SAFETY “ features.
And yet they allow screens.
How fast do road cars need to be in this day and age? I'd much rather have a good range and good towing capacity than a 0-60 of 3 seconds. Thanks for the video.
A fridge just keeps things cold. Some chill faster than others. EVs provide transport but there's very little difference in the way they do it.
The road is full of petrol Macans towing horses. Full of it I tell you.
I imagine the hitch is meant for towing either a complete, fully-charged spare battery pack on wheels, or a diesel generator.
So much more convenient than putting a couple of gallons of petrol in a plastic container and slinging it in the boot.🙄
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@@Hoojammyflip Still crap!
Or maybe the Trailers that people make are too crap and inefficient ?
Its for a bicycle rack
Made me laugh.
Crazy weight, crazy prices....useless as a towing vehicle. The whole world has gone mad!
Also, it's scrap for recycling in 8-10 years.
@@Beer_Dad1975 Nope it's not. Don't spread lies.
Dealerships are sitting on a crapton of stock all over the world. There are videos on youtube where huge lots of 160k+ dollar Taycans are just sitting outside in the elements for 2 years now. Same in my country in europe and it's obviously not only Porsches. Here there are rows and rows of Audi E-Trons that nobody has touched all over dealerships.
If you want to tow on roadtrips buy a truck, this is a commuter vehicle that can also tow your boat.
@@drfisheye Have you seen how cheap a once $80,000 10 year old Tesla model S is now in the US? You can pick them up for around $15,000 - but unless all you want to do with it is drive to the grocery store and back and you don't mind charging it multiple times per week, it's $15,000 wasted, because the range on them now sucks, and it costs another $15,000 to replace the battery. Considering you can get into a pretty decent EV new for $30,000 now, they are just becoming disposable.
Some newer EV's, you can't even replace the battery because it is a structural component of the car. I did have a quick look to see if this is the case for the Macan, but I can't find anything on it.
Combine that with the general collapse of Porsche quality meaning no doubt a 10 year old model that has had any kind of regular use will have lots of other problems to fix, I doubt anyone is going to want one of these used in 10 years time.
Another pointless overpriced SUV no one really needs. You will be on first name terms with your local tyre supplier.
Yes and everybody is surprised the air quality doesn't improve..
Just losing your tyres in 7-10k miles.
@@JJVernig air quality would improve if the west didnt move it's industry baggage onto countries that have no regulations whatsoever. too late now i guess.
@@JJVernigthe tyres are going into the air? What rabbit hole have you gone down?? 😂
TFL in America have done extensive testing of towing with all vehicles including EVs. One memorable test compared a cybertruck with a Ram pickup with 6*7litre Cummins diesel. Identical trailers run simultaneously, the Cybertruck went from 320 miles range to 170 when it realised it had a trailer on. It went from 100% charge to 6% in 86 miles and took over an hour to charge. The Ram could have done nearly 400 miles on the tank and it took 5 mins to fill up. EVs are useless at towing for range purposes.
But now they want all vans and lorries run on batteries. Madness.
“turbo version” of an electric car…. why oh why do they do that
Welcome to 2020 😊
Turbo is a spec level - no reference to an actual turbo device.
Most 911’s have Turbo’s - only the Turbo spec has the Turbo badge.
@@SDK2006b doesn't make it any more sensible, does it?.... They should come up with another 'meaningful' performance designator...
@@ThePedroDB why come up with something new, if everybody understands the old "wrong" designation?
@@blunznoida7375isn't this discussion because it isn't self explanatory to all?
It's because it has a fan to stop the battery overheating 😅.
That acceleration shot from behind the car is astonishing
Great for wasting energy!
@ true 😂 guess that’s why you get the ‘turbo’ 🙈
Little wonder European car makers are struggling when they are charging £108k for the likes of this. I know it's a Porsche but there are better options, that will be worth £35k in a year, great review as always.
Every time someone mentions EV depreciation the numbers get worse. It’s just like Chinese whispers 🤣
£35k in a year - just LoL.
Even G1 base spec, 3 year old Taycan’s are £40k on the used market.
have you seen how much an f150 costs lately?
I mean it’s a Porsche they’re almost always prohibitively expensive. Older Porsche SUVs with ICE engines are also quite well known for depreciating a lot.
It's not a Porsche, it's a VW with Porsche badge
Porsche are the only ones who properly integrate screens in the interior
The others just put a tablet in front of you and say “yeah that your new gauge cluster”
All the best to everyone
Spot on. Lazy design in my view.
Alfa Romeo Stelvio, Giulia, and Junior all integrate it well
So does every carmaker puts an iPad in all there cars ice or ev
I did see a Ferrari 296GTS earlier, and that looked….pretty good
A defining feature between brands has historically been the engine - the engineering involved, power, no of cylinders etc. It feels like in an EV world this key differentiator has been completely lost - there really is no difference between the drivetrain of a Tesla or EV Porsche or a Chinese EV.
I don't think the existing premium brands like Porsche are doing 'enough' to justify their positive attributes. Perhaps because they no longer realistically can?
Even more funny is that lift the bonnet on a macan gts and literally everything is made in China including suspension. German engineering made in China. My partner’s son bought one and was a bit pissed when I pointed out that everything was made in China. No surprise as China makes nearly every thing for all new cars. Hence they let the western countries design and give the standards then they apply the same standards to their own cars. Result their car manufacturers pay the real price not the export price to western mugs. Hence Chinese electric cars are cheaper than western cars. Japan 1970s China 2000s. Create your own demise, isn’t the west clever.
@@richardmorrish actually that is interesting, most German cars dont have Chinese parts yet
@@Nyx_88888 most don’t and believe me I was shocked when I saw in a Porsche with made in China on everything. Not what one expects, I used to work in the finance industry so saw a lot of the exporting to China of manufacturing in 2000-3. That appeared to be contained to headlights, seats, interior trim, wiper assemblies this was started by the Japanese companies and a lot of US and EU countries joined in. Then when you consider apple makes all their products in China and just package in the US, given the cheap electricity and energy in general In China you can understand the move. Brand recognition tends to blind people especially when build quality remains high.
Good comment. To part with the money it has to be evocative. Or for the still uninformed - display the right status badge. Trading on an out of date perception isn’t going to work for the younger folk. All in all the Macan looks unattractive. Not as bad as VW’s ID range but still. VW are suffering but then there’s a shift change coming to a string of OEMs. If Porsche are sticking with the Taycan “look” then it won’t be long before they’re one of the OEMs struggling. Won’t be the first time the 911 saved them
Good point.
I always watch Harry to find out about the other side of car life but got more excited seeing the lovely little Austin A30 /35 peanut going by at 18.25 !
Thanks for adding the time, I can go straight there and avoid the boring EV tank stuff :)
Another car that will depreciate by 60% within a year. And why do they call it a turbo 👎🏻100 mile range when towing brilliant I’ll have 3 strategically positioned en route to Cornwall for my caravan holiday
And your problem with this is ?
Means cheaper cars for everyone who can’t buy it new 💡
Hope so i would buy one at 60% off
Yes, turbo in an electric just means a heavier battery, hah.
As a used car buyer, I see this as an absolute win. These cars are not special supercars, just buy them for cheap after 3 years when they had most of the depreciation and the battery is still healthy.
@@Albebacck I have some used Duracells for sale 60% off
I don't like where Porsche are going with their headlight design. Losing some ''Porscheness'' somehow.
Losing
@@hdhdu7634 Yes, well spotted. Take a house point.
Wonderful job finding a couple of positives with this car Harry. You’d have to drive about 49,600 miles before this is cheaper than the ICE version. Don’t let the price out you off. Wait 24 months and you’ll get one for £30k. 😂
£30k 🤣😵💫- sure, EV’s depreciate but that’s just dreaming.
My £100k EV, is selling for over £50k, after 3 years.
@@SDK2006bomg why did you buy that 🤢
@@SDK2006bwhat is it ??
@@hpman911 - BMW iX50
@@SDK2006bThats what they're selling for at a dealer, not what you'd get for yours...
Trying to charge the car with a caravan on showed an amazing oversight. I hadn't considered this before. That's amazing.
That acceleration is mental. Harry's head was banging against the head rest so many times 😅. Can't believe it's 100 mile range with towing things.
Half the reason you buy a car like Porsche, bmw etc is the engine. When you remove that you’re just left with a generic electric motor that will be loads of different manufacturers cars. It’s not special
I disagree. Owning several teslas trying to figure out "what's next" this is where i'm looking. It may not be "porsche" special, but it's still "EV" special.
Most regular people buy German brands purely because of the perceived“prestige”
Personally, The only Porsche I would buy is a 911.
@@ydnallah1541 I agree, or possibly a 944 or 928
Had that thought in mind all the way through, just soulless and unemotional machines sadly.
For 90% of previous generation Macan owners this will be a great upgrade.
I think the ‘base’ RWD model is the pick of the bunch, reduced cost and weight combined with greater efficiency and still plenty quick enough.
For reference Out Of Spec range tested a Macan Turbo (same as in this video) at 70mph and got 3.1m/Wh and a range of 294 miles at that speed. So I would suspect a real world range of 250 is easily achieved.
Indeed, not many Porsche owners actually tow anything, certainly not for any distance. It is like US reviewers who used to complain that US divers can't drive a EV almost all the way across the US on one charge.
Rich people like convenience. Electric cars are not convenient for most people. Many Macans are driven by the wives of the rich people who buy them, and women despise electric cars (according to recent statistics).
I still think a real Porsche has to have a petrol engine! Can’t get used to these electric cars!
At least it's got a turbo. :P
20 years ago, you would probably be moaning about Porsche making an SUV! The diehards still do🙄 it allows Porsche to make the 911. Sign of the times. At least it drives like a Porsche.
No rear wash wipe will be a pain in the winter.
No rear wash wipe will save the battery......
It's a no-charge option and agree, I would add it
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Ah sneaky way to help the aero and improve the range figures. As everyone will probably tick the box.
Austin A35 going the opposite way at 18.26 minutes into video. Just imagine those two cars parked next to each other, the size difference would be quite noticeable.
It looked tiny!
The little austin 35 will be worth more than the battery porsche in 5 year 😊
Imagine the two cars having a head on. Does not bear thinking about…… it would be the same as the Macan hitting a 7.5t truck
So: an A35 saloon is at least 65 years old and, from the bright finish to the front grill, that might even be an A30 which means it's nearly 70 years old. I would offer that this is what real sustainable motoring looks like: a splash of fuel every now and again, service it once a year and it's happy. The Porsche will effectively be scrap in, what, about 10 years? Having used a huge amount of resources both to make it and subsequently recycle it. Will someone please explain how this is good for the planet.
@@superseven7947 Imagine an EV lasting as long as an Austin 35!
No, me neither...
My local Porsche dealer is very worried about the sales of the electric Macan none of their regular customers want it.
A UK caravan magazine found out all the problems a few years ago. Towing is a disaster with an EV. There is a video showing the problems.
Or to put it another way, the habit of dragging a miniaturised version of your house behind you is only made feasible by the enormously higher energy density of Petrol and Diesel.
It that means fewer people will tow caravans, I think that's a plus for the rest of us.
Surprises me that better use of active noise reduction has yet to be made to reduce cabin tyre noise.
I wonder if it’s seat specific to make that work.
Another good way to reduce tyre noise is to make them thinner.
It's these cheap cars like Porsche where every penny has to be saved.
The guys at the tip must love when they see Harry coming up to the scales. 😂
Even more so when they find out that he plans to leave it there
Hopefully there will be a proper car next week.
Bizarre response. It’s just an electric vehicle. It’s just a different way of doing things. It is a proper car….
@@thejfg7741 funny, ppl that is anti ev/hate ev is the most childish people on the car world now lol
Best comment so far 😂
Oh dear brook you've angered the EV soys 😅
I don't mind EVs, but this is IMO too ugly. Porsche isn't my fav but normally they have some character. Fake vents and a slab of silver plastic glued to the sides, not my cup'o'tea at all.
Trying to give a monkeys and struggling. It's in a lovely shade if orange. Hoovies F150 Lightning was showing low charge after 40 miles of towing. But it just illustrates the inbuilt limit of having to carry all the energy with you rather than combusting atmospheric oxygen.
As always with EV's mileage anxiety is the number one concern
Obviously they send you the fastest, most extreme and expensive model thinking it’ll please you…. When really, a bit less might be a lot more!
The real world eh?… what do we know….🙄
Still, great research all the same.
Great review as always Harry.
Thank you so much💥🤓
EV evangelists always go on about the one dimensional speed, 0 to 60 stuff. Yeah! Interesting first time but then??? Tesla owners especially rant bout speed. 🙄 At least this handles like a Porsche. But you are right, Autocar think the base rear wheel drive is the sweet spot.
I was towing in Germany with a sailplane trailer, while they do not suffer the same drag penalty as your trailer but it is still considerable with a 75% penalty, but in Germany they have an increasing number of Truck focused charging stations (with people like Amazon and DHL moving to electric truck fleets) and the Gliding community being quite sizeable and influential in Germany they have gained access to this network so can use these charging stations that are designed for vehicles with trailers and they are 300kwh chargers. But I notice that the first purpose designed Truck charging station in UK (why are we so far behind!) was not interested in granting access to drivers with a 9m+ sailplane trailer in tow (why would a fuel station refuse business by saying we are trucks only), which because of its length is too long to access your typical UK service station car park and with so many older UK service station layed out in a way to deny you access from the Truck park where you need to drop the trailer to the chargers in the car only car park without venturing back onto the motorwar and turning round at junctions, the UK is as you say has made zero effort to accommodate electric cars towing.
@@grahamariss2111 huge problem mainly be out of date designed charging stations definitely
I happened to be working at a motorway services recently, within sight of the EV charging points, and the issue of caravans being towed by electric cars came to mind. Our thoughts reflected your findings; charging stations aren't made to accommodate vehicles that are towing. Given the shocking effect on range (which we hadn't considered), can you imagine the chaos when 15000 caravan users try to get to/from Cornwall on bank holidey weeked in 20 years time? Unless something changes dramatically, I can't see the caravan holiday surviving. Some may well rejoice of course!
Great review, as always. I'm sure the manufacturers are on the edge of their seats watching Harry's devastatingly honest reviews for the first time. The big question is, will the Macan take the same enormous depreciation hit that the Taycan experienced? Or is this SUV sector more resilient in the resale market? I wouldn't like to be one of the early adopters to find out.
This will plummit like the Taycan if they produce as many. That is because of all the people that have no trust in Evs and even less in used evs.
They are so much on the edge of their seats that they keep giving him press cars
The panel for crucial controls is good, but you still need to look at it (well away from the road), because its all touch-sensitive "buttons". In my cheap old golf, I can adjust the climate control or turn on the heated seats by feel alone, thats how it still should be.
Always good to see the Elan make an appearance. So different from today's leviathans.
Just a reminder, Porsche are forced to manufacture these EVs and pressured to sell them in a ratio to ice cars or face financial penalties
Happy birthday you very young OAP enjoy the rest of your day. Nice vid as usual.
You'll need to go for a head injury assessment if you regularly mash the pedal in that thing! It looks a nice car in that colour, just needs a 4 litre V8 up front to make it really desirable.
I have caravanned for 33 years. Would never contemplate towing with an EV. Yes it will pull it, but just imagine recharging with a caravan hitched on the back. It would be so stressful. Diesel is the best option at the moment, but governments are forcing you off the road with taxes. They will lose billions in tax revenue when the leisure industry is lost.
Good used ICE SUVs suitable for towing will be worth a mint after the ban on new sales comes in.
I’ve found the one single good thing about EVs….. they will keep more caravans and trailers off the road. 😂
Am I correct in thinking that 'turbo' as an engineering term can apply only to combustion engines? That there is no such thing (other than marketing) as a 'turbo' EV?
Imagine towing your caravan to the south of France. You'd need another week off for the travelling time.
CD factor interesting, The Audi 100 was 0.30 in the 1980's, doesn't feel like we've come that far.
I am sure its very accomplished, but the thought of an electric Porsche Macan just doesn't get my juices flowing. A PHEV or MHEV version would be quite tempting as it would still have some soul in the engine department and would be just as fast.
The government is taxing everything that isn’t 100% electric and this will only get worse unfortunately.
Great video as ever. The sound made by Porsche EVs reminds me of the transmission howl of the Volvo Ailsa double decker buses which were everywhere when I was a kid in the ‘80s.
I do about half my annual mileage towing with my EV and agree charging stations need sorting. We now have a handful that actually have pull thru spaces! The luxury.
Normally I use a motor mover to shift the trailer separately, speeds everything up massively.
Efficiency when you were towing seems shocking, i get about 2 miles per kwh when towing and about double that when not. Drag of the trailer is is the biggest impact on efficiency, especially if going over 60.
The plus of heavy car with tons of torque from zero rpm means i won't switch back to towing with an ICE as the car bosses the trailer, not the other way around. Its a faff, but its getting better already
Nice to see an honest assessment of the challenges of towing with an EV, rather than the all-to-frequent over-emotional anti-EV rant.
@@AndrewBell-c2tshould change c2t to End
Best bit of this video was the Austin A35 coming the other way down Harry's "favourite bit of road" about 18.20 in..
does anyone deliver the back-handed compliment better than Harry?
Was initially annoyed with the term Turbo on an EV. But the equivalent electric module is called a transformer, can't use that as Marvel would sue. OK let's abbreviate it to five letters. Ah, now I understand.
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The EV is the end of motoring journalism.
It’s the end of motoring everything. After-market tuning, high powered sounds systems, caravaning, long touring holidays. The list goes on. They will kill the rural economy. And the new UK govt has brought forward the misery to 2030.
@@petersmith6520vast majority do not tow caravans or fit scaffolding pipes as exhausts. EVs are better cars in pretty much every other metric. Bring it on!
100 mile range is absolutely disgraceful
As uninspiring as it is impractical…..
I'm not surprised at all that the range was cut in half towing the trailer; just turning on a heater or windshield wipers will impact the range enough to be noticeable. My brother bought a new Ford F-150 Lightning electric truck and had to drive to the airport, the range showed that he had ample charge to get there, everything was fine until it started to rain and get cold. He turned on the heater and wipers and not long after that realized that he might not make it to the airport anymore. He searched for a charger and found one 20 minutes from the highway, went there and charged for an hour, then drove back to the highway where he had turned off and discovered that he had exactly the same range left as when he left the highway to charge up! He made it to the airport but it was a stressful situation when catching a flight with your family!
Harry, electric cars are totally unsuitable for pulling trailers, a friend of mine has a Ford F-150 lightening and regrets it, he gets with his trailers of + 4000 kilos but 75 come far and then has to charge. Colleagues who go on a skiing holiday from the Netherlands to Austria have to charge 4.5 times one way. I drive from Berlin to the Netherlands in the middle of the night on half a tank of Diesel with my Mercedes C-class 220 Bleutec. In the Netherlands we also see the sales of electric cars plummet, now that motorists also have to pay the full road tax and the subsidies have been stopped, they are massively returning to fuel cars.
Why would anyone buy a Ford F-150 lightning for towing without knowing the effect on range? Don't buyers do some research before buying? Well, considering how Americans voted, this may be a retorical question. Just rent a car if you want to go skiing 600 miles away in winter. Pretty sure those people rent a car when they fly.
It's a lovely car inside and out, and you can tell that Porsche do still care about the driver. However, as Harry put it, they are in a "hard place" because their calling card used to be engineering prowess. But now that every Tom, Dick and Harry (no pun intended) can now churn out a fast electric car, you have to wonder if there are enough folks interested in any minor handling advantage plus the "price of exclusivity." The badge probably only carrys weight as long as they can churn out road-racers like the GT3, Turbo, (etc) and we all know where that's going...
I always appreciate it when Harry is demo'ing a vehicles infotainment screen. He touches it very apprehensively, as if its going to suddenly attack him! Like a dog you're a little unsure about, when you give it your hand to smell.
Keep it up, Harry. Don't change. Cars are for driving, after all. They're not bloody televisions.
All cars looking the same these days.
Ugly, heavy and tedious, you mean? Agreed.
We are used to ICE cars not losing so much effieciency when towing, because so much is lost from the heat of the engine etc.. adding a trailer is a lower proporton of the energy consumption.
The Macan might be big, but the trailer is even bigger! about twice the cross section area of the car, and aboutt he same mass if it's loaded. Without the energy losses of a ICE, it's no wonder that is uses more than 2x the eneergy.
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Absolutely! Macan's net battery capacity of 95 kWh is the energy equivalent of 2.35 imperial gallons of gasoline. How far you gonna tow that trailer on 2.35 gallons?
Spoilers on an SUV are like go faster stripes on a zimmer frame.
I wonder where Porsche put the turbo in its electric cars? (Hint of sarcasm !)
My Macan; sunroof leak fills floor with water, fills rear qtr with water. The water then fried the modules at the rear qtr. If you live where it doesn’t rain, great suv.
This is progress just backwards, but Harry is interesting to listen even if he talks about a terribile car
For towing there are two problems you highlight quite correctly and two relatively easy solutions.
For the charging we need pull through chargers, these are already becoming a thing in the USA.
For the range the obvious solution is to add a battery to the tow vehicle which could either be connected to the car or drive a small pusher motor on the trailer/caravan.
Big advantage for a caravan is this say 50kW battery could run your caravan off grid for days.
There are for sure problems to be overcome but it does not seem insurmountable and even brings benefits!
Love the channel. Shame the review is on an EV Porsche. You could have done a review on a zanussi washing machine and I’d have been equally unhappy.
Like when Monty python did their cricket broadcast & it was just bits of furniture sitting there doing nothing 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
My brother just got an Ioniq 6 - it's a great car and in so many ways seems just as good as what I imagine a lower spec Macan would be like - and that's the big question for me - why pay extra for a Porsche when the experience between brands will be so much more homgenised - it was always the engine and dynamics that you paid for but I suspect that becomes wafer thin unless you go for the Turbo nutter which is such a huge amount more.
Porsche dynamics are still there. Considering the ICE version most people bought was a 4 cylinder, and not a great engine, not really a big step. You hd to pay more for 6 cylinder versions. But I get it. Only the feel they can work on and that’s harder.
Can we just take a moment to remember that towing with an ICE vehicle will also considerably reduce the mpg and consequently their range too. Can't argue about the charging issue at fast chargers, that will definitely need addressed.
Yep - I drove to Wales once with 4x bikes on the roof a Ford Focus and only got 160 miles out of a full tank of fuel.
Yeah, but compare recharging with a trailer vs refuelling. It's not about the reduced efficiency per se - it's the incredible impracticality of towing with an EV.
Yeah...but here's the difference. There tens of thousands of gas stations that you can refuel at when towing with an ICE vehicle, with many of them being diesel that even towing will still get 300 plus miles out of a tank. Not to mention if you're towing a fifth wheel for camping, the nearest charging station could easily be over 100 miles away.
@@andoletube my electric mower beats my gas mower in every respect but one. i am not supposed to let it get rained on. its towing power is obscene compared to my gas mower.
@@victorhopper6774 What's that got to do with anything? What part of range-problem are you not comprehending? Did you not grasp the troubles Harry was having?
Excellent test - the towing thing really an eye opener .
What to do now? Go outside take it for a drive to the car crushing facility.
My 70 year old mom picked up hers, non turbo and no rear steering, a few days ago. I drove it hard, and it felt and behaved like a Porsche. You could feel the weight transfer in your back when pushing it, which is a good thing, but the suspension took care of it. Towing - Maybe not for the caravan lifestyle, but works for house needs :)
Sorry car-makers, but EVs are not gonna cut it for me! To me, they‘re just big iPads with wheels!!
Interesting in the end there… that all battery cars are more or less similar. But this one offers the battery experience with a Porsche flavour.
I nearly bought one of those but decided on a microwave oven instead.
Finally a manufacturer isn't controlling everything through a damned screen!
90k for a turbo milk float? no thanks!
The wheels influence efficiency much more than you think. I drive a BMW i4 M50 and BMW claims the 20‘ optionals wheels reduce the range by -70kms (45mls). It‘s not only the higher rotational mass but also the very sporty rubber on them. I am pretty sure these 22‘ make up for 30-50mls. Though, I completely agree that potentially the 4S (with standard wheels) is the pick of the range.
Looks like any other SUV in particular cars from Korea or China, that you could buy for less than half the price 🤷♂️
No wonder VAG are closing factories…
Exactly, Germany has been forced to produce these depreciation disasters. Germany now in recession.
VW only came up with a Tesla Model S EV competitor (A6) for 2025, 13 years afterwards so it is no surprise. Also the A8 is closer in some aspects (air suspension and size) and it looks like they shelved it again. 😂
You would need the GMC Sierra EV to tow any distance. They just slap a huge battery in it to make that possible (230kwh or something) and very fast charging speeds.
In before the typical electric car hate here.
You guys have to remember who the typical Macan buyer is and what the Macan was up until now. It's usually someone more obsessed with style than substance looking to get something with a Porsche badge. I'm willing to bet that the vast majority of Macans are driven around in a city and never tow a trailer. At the end of the day, it was an Audi Q5, which was arguably more capable in the performance department.
I've been in the passenger seat at Weissach in one of these and oh man - the new one is immensely capable around there. Of course its no sportscar, but its felt incredibly tight and the balance is superb for the fact that it looks like an overgrown toad.
See it that way: A few years down the line, when they are depreciated, you'll get a 20k Porsche as a daily driver that hauls five people plus luggage, is close to supercar fast AND you can slide it around like a BMW M3.
If you argue that sound is missing from it, less not forget that the majority of ICE-Macans have an Volkswagen inline four that is hardly worth of a Porsche badge and is almost an ambient noise on the inside. I'd rather have no sound than a bad sound.
It's the inevitable future that almost all cars will be electric so I'm looking forward to getting one of these for cheap and have a proper sportscar for the weekend on the side.
As a bonus they get a noisy car
Great insight to exactly what this car is - a very heavy, over-priced, electric vehicle with huge depreciation included at no extra cost at the outset. I'll stick with my Macan S thank you.
My diesel Bentayga returns 45mpg on a motorway run and 40.3mpg with a trailer.!!!!!
Great video as always, but all I hear is it’s just another electric vehicle that’s almost pointless for purpose, unless you’re using it for your daily short commute or school run car.
Must be hell on tire life.
Watching your reviews is very difficult!
I can't keep my attention on these new cars, with the beautiful works of art in the back ground. The red Ferrari and Porsche are my dream cars 🤩
nobody will be using that thing for towing.
Really useful info on towing. It seems to me EV's are heading the way of betamax unless these rumoured solid state batteries drastically improve things. What's the fascination? Mining the rare earth materials destroys forest habitats like nothing else, they're toxic as hell and have to be stuck in landfill when redundant, and they catch fire like nothing else. Bio fuels, hydrogen etc surely has to be the way forward
But govts didn’t force people to buy Betamax video machines by law
No one is buying it, literally. Reeves, Starmer and the EU can jog on. Porsche, VW, Ford etc need to grow a set.
I quite like this myself, if funds were available I'd have one, as for towing I've done 1000 miles this year with my petrol Tiguan - this Porsche would not work at all, however it probably would for the majority of our weekends we've had away this year. Also owning an Electric Kona I know about the public charging and the bizarre idea of fitting chargers with drive in spaces rather than drive through. With my Tiguan I’ve recorded around 50% mpg towing the caravan, with an electric car if its 300 miles range down to 150 that’d be a very big struggle to justify.
Fun fact: what is the maximum combined weight possible for a car plus trailer for a normal driving licence holder? I think for example that in France it is 3.5 t.
The tyres are so loud that it doesn't need any additional fake sounds!
My wife wants a Macan EV, interested to hear what you have to say!
easy divorce her.
Oh Dear
Depends what she is going to use it for, EVs are great in the right circumstances.
Charge at home, don't do very long journeys regularly, they are fine - don't try towing the horsebox with one, though 😂.
Depreciation on luxury cars, EV or ICE, is brutal of course.
The ZEV mandate on the other hand is madness !!!
Yep, insane world we live in. Imagine fixing anything on that on a Sunday afternoon, in the garden... lol
Everything I don't need.
HAPPY BIRTHDAY! 🎈
A huge step backwards from the ICE GTS for £20k more😂
I really like the lower headlight position, more car makers should follow that. Pricing still looks reasonable on these. Compared to a Model Y it is a chunk more money, but you get the interior and driving dynamics to match the badge. Not a bad EV at all.