OMG Ive died and gone to heaven. This wil work great with my M32C and DL16. Now I dont have to deal with a stage split for multi band shows for bands that roll in with IEM setups. I can keep live monitors on stage and have the stage connect send mic outputs for IEM racks. I was going to build a split before shows this summer. Instead im getting this great piece of gear!
I plan to get one of these and leave it installed in my monitor amp rack.... sending 8 mono mixes w one cat 5... easy to unpatch to cover consoles at the end of the show...
@@sweettreeproductions2149 I meant with the Midas M 32. I know for the Behringer wing we have to use the Stage connect, which is essentially an XLR data cable or DMX cable.
What's the song you use in this video? It has lots of lows and highs which will be great for quickly evaluating speakers. Has the benefit of being catchy as well!
This is great and super.. because we need multiple output for livestreaming and they want to have every room in the mosque output of that livestream in order to provide camera's sound. using AES50 would be hard to do because that would eatup my outputs that i need for the building and furture stuff. What i was looking for was to duplicate the output from the mixbus to multiple output and Ultranet had 16 out that i can use to assign my single mixbus great!.. not having to splitbox or extra AES50 box.
No, the audio quality is not the same as AES50. Ultranet has a form of data compression. It’s similar to an mp3. Great video but we do not use it for professional outputs.
@@paulbonfiglio8661 have you heard the turbosound speakers with Ultranet input? they sound identical weither the source is Ultranet or XLR input via a AES50 stagebox. Now the P16 mixers, yet those sound similar to mp3 and are not good.
I have Producer X32 with SD16 and 4 PM16 console. Actually with 2 way splitter we send in parallel mode the same signals to our inear system and via xlr multi-core snake to the main PA in their xlr stage box. Unfortunately their stage box is every night in different position and it's hard to reach. And tons of cable. Can this evil machine😂 solve our problem? Can i sell all the analog splitters? Would be a dream🎉
It's a fancy way to mult a signal. 1 mic split 16 times. in this case. Some events have press attending, and they want the board feed vs room mic. When I did events like that I would watch the news to see if the audio from the event was on to make sure it was captured well. No hiss means i had good gain structure. and the tv station didn't have to put bring the noise floor up to get to their operating level. 😂 There is an analog split called a press box. it looks like an analog stage snake. It takes one input and multiplies it.
We used to use Allen and Heath, and Soundcraft exclusively back in our analog days. We are pretty exclusively Midas right now. A&H makes some great consoles but we would really need to know more of what your application is to make a firm recommendation.
Avevo la stessa domanda...Sarebbe un sogno portare con un cavo ethernet questo aggeggio nei pressi della stage box del service audio visto che non guardano mai la scheda tecnica e te lo ritrovi nei luoghi più angusti 😅😅😅😅
Can you use the DN4816-I with Shure wireless mics like the ulxd, qlxd, or the slxd? Since you said at the end of the video that the I versions don’t have preamps.
You can and use the preamps of the microphones. It would only work for the wing at this time though. There isn’t a way to input sultanate that we are aware of to the channels.
Hate wall warts and cord warts. Gear manufacturers use these because it's cheaper than an internal supply, and they don't have to mess with getting UL/CA electrical safety certifications for their device - the maker of the cord wart has to do that. Lots of gear makers do this, even on very expensive keyboards.
I currently have a x32 rack I use for iem system I have a Midas hub 4 and Midas dp48 personal monitor mixer with two Behringer ms8000 splitters to the foh console. I've been thinking of adding one of these 16 channel stage connect output strips to gain the additional outputs in addition to adding a behringer sd8 for using as a drop snake for drums is there a Better solution to send signal from my split to foh then using the heavy analog xlr snakes? I've been really trying to streamline my setup but I haven't came up with any other ideas any thoughts?
this is for a iem monitor rig I just want find the quickest way to plug it in to various consoles from my bands x32 rack. We are currently using 2 behringer ms8000 splits with two 25ft 8 channel elitecore XLR snakes they are just bulky and heavy and it's a pain plugging them in to both my mixer and the venue stage box or drop snakes every show. The whole benefit of a rack to me is having less things to plug in and unplug this currently is 64 channels alone to plug in and unplug twice a night
It has always been possible to route the 16 ‘P16’ Outputs to AES50 outputs, in the same way as you patch the first 16 Outputs. The X/M32 OUTPUTS are just a patch point / bay, the destination (and Tap point) can be individually configured using the USER Out tab. I worked this out when I picked up a couple of SD8s that have the 8 Ops selectable by slide switch to be fed from 1-8, 9-16, 17-24. I wondered how the 17-24 Outputs were patched. Interesting point that the I/p version has no preamps - can you use the mixers pre amps?
Sadly, you can’t use the mixers preamps for the input StageConnect box because it isn’t supported on the M32 X32 line. You did bring a good point though. It might be possible on the wing but I doubt it.
@@jazbasoundandmedia786 The Ultranet Protocol is Output only, no matter what mixer. The Wing is the first mixer that has the new Stage Connect Protocol which transmits 32 channels over one xlr cable. These 32 channels can be any combination of in- and outputs.
OMG Ive died and gone to heaven. This wil work great with my M32C and DL16. Now I dont have to deal with a stage split for multi band shows for bands that roll in with IEM setups. I can keep live monitors on stage and have the stage connect send mic outputs for IEM racks.
I was going to build a split before shows this summer. Instead im getting this great piece of gear!
Awesome! That will help a ton. Let us know if we can help out.
Thats a very smart way to set that up!
How’s it working out? Any complaints about sending line levels to FOH?
Putting this on an in-ear rack for 8 stereo packs is exactly what I have in mind for it - so much better than previous options in the x/m32 ecosystem!
We agree. This is a great piece to enter the X32 M32 family. Even if that wasn’t the intended purpose.
Can you do a video on the DN4816-I show us how to connect it and what it would be best used for?
This is very good for inear monitoring setup, because you don't need analog splitter xlr anymore. Very clean and effective.
Yes sir. It is a great piece!
I plan to get one of these and leave it installed in my monitor amp rack.... sending 8 mono mixes w one cat 5... easy to unpatch to cover consoles at the end of the show...
That is a great use. We are probably going to leave one in one of our IEM racks.
How much of these can u connect together?
Also can you make a video explaining how the routing would be like for the DN4816-I
We can break out a wing at some point and do that.
@@sweettreeproductions2149 I meant with the Midas M 32. I know for the Behringer wing we have to use the Stage connect, which is essentially an XLR data cable or DMX cable.
@@favournjoku3024 ultranet is output ONLY. you can use stageconnect input boxes for x32 or m32
This is useful. Is there anything like this for digico that doesn't cost the price of a car ?
The closest thing would be the S21 or S31 console. We just didn’t have great luck or support from them with some issues we had.
Nice video !
keep it them coming.
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What's the song you use in this video? It has lots of lows and highs which will be great for quickly evaluating speakers. Has the benefit of being catchy as well!
Thanks for the vid. Can you set it up to send PRE everything? Like a direct out splitter with NO gain or LC or anything? Just like a splitter?
We are pretty sure it would at least be effected by gain at the least setting.
This is great and super.. because we need multiple output for livestreaming and they want to have every room in the mosque output of that livestream in order to provide camera's sound. using AES50 would be hard to do because that would eatup my outputs that i need for the building and furture stuff. What i was looking for was to duplicate the output from the mixbus to multiple output and Ultranet had 16 out that i can use to assign my single mixbus great!.. not having to splitbox or extra AES50 box.
It is a very useful box for many things. Very soon we are releasing another video to show a way to cheat the system even more to duplicate outputs.
@@sweettreeproductions2149 ..:this would be awesome!! I might not need to buy an analog splitter if there’s a way I can have 32 outputs.
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It the audio quality good enough to use for FOH? So we run our Midas mixer and monitors, and provide direct outs via ultranet to FOH using this?
I had the same question😅
No, the audio quality is not the same as AES50. Ultranet has a form of data compression. It’s similar to an mp3. Great video but we do not use it for professional outputs.
@@paulbonfiglio8661 have you heard the turbosound speakers with Ultranet input? they sound identical weither the source is Ultranet or XLR input via a AES50 stagebox. Now the P16 mixers, yet those sound similar to mp3 and are not good.
I have Producer X32 with SD16 and 4 PM16 console. Actually with 2 way splitter we send in parallel mode the same signals to our inear system and via xlr multi-core snake to the main PA in their xlr stage box. Unfortunately their stage box is every night in different position and it's hard to reach. And tons of cable. Can this evil machine😂 solve our problem? Can i sell all the analog splitters? Would be a dream🎉
Can you explain what a press box is?
It's a fancy way to mult a signal. 1 mic split 16 times. in this case. Some events have press attending, and they want the board feed vs room mic. When I did events like that I would watch the news to see if the audio from the event was on to make sure it was captured well. No hiss means i had good gain structure. and the tv station didn't have to put bring the noise floor up to get to their operating level. 😂 There is an analog split called a press box. it looks like an analog stage snake. It takes one input and multiplies it.
Micah Muth hit the nail on the head with his response. Thank you!
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witch one in particular?
Do you recommend m32 or Allen and Heath? I see you use a Midas so I figure the A&H will be good.
We used to use Allen and Heath, and Soundcraft exclusively back in our analog days. We are pretty exclusively Midas right now. A&H makes some great consoles but we would really need to know more of what your application is to make a firm recommendation.
So no need to use external splitter like art s8 for iems?
Avevo la stessa domanda...Sarebbe un sogno portare con un cavo ethernet questo aggeggio nei pressi della stage box del service audio visto che non guardano mai la scheda tecnica e te lo ritrovi nei luoghi più angusti 😅😅😅😅
Can the signals being routed into the box be pulled out via the usb into say, a laptop?
Sadly not that we know of.
Can you use the DN4816-I with Shure wireless mics like the ulxd, qlxd, or the slxd? Since you said at the end of the video that the I versions don’t have preamps.
You can and use the preamps of the microphones. It would only work for the wing at this time though. There isn’t a way to input sultanate that we are aware of to the channels.
@@sweettreeproductions2149 thank you 👍 😊
Hate wall warts and cord warts. Gear manufacturers use these because it's cheaper than an internal supply, and they don't have to mess with getting UL/CA electrical safety certifications for their device - the maker of the cord wart has to do that. Lots of gear makers do this, even on very expensive keyboards.
100% truth. It is very sad.
So how do you use the unit with the inputs?
Sadly, you can’t at this time through ultranet.
I currently have a x32 rack I use for iem system I have a Midas hub 4 and Midas dp48 personal monitor mixer with two Behringer ms8000 splitters to the foh console. I've been thinking of adding one of these 16 channel stage connect output strips to gain the additional outputs in addition to adding a behringer sd8 for using as a drop snake for drums is there a Better solution to send signal from my split to foh then using the heavy analog xlr snakes? I've been really trying to streamline my setup but I haven't came up with any other ideas any thoughts?
What FOH console do you use?
this is for a iem monitor rig I just want find the quickest way to plug it in to various consoles from my bands x32 rack. We are currently using 2 behringer ms8000 splits with two 25ft 8 channel elitecore XLR snakes they are just bulky and heavy and it's a pain plugging them in to both my mixer and the venue stage box or drop snakes every show. The whole benefit of a rack to me is having less things to plug in and unplug this currently is 64 channels alone to plug in and unplug twice a night
Can you delay the ultranet outputs with this. In the case of time aligning subs to mains and fills to mains? Thanks
That is a great question. I’m not 100% sure but will try it out next time we play with them.
If the signal being sent is from the Out 1-16 section first, then yes. But only those 16 signals cane be delayed in the console settings.
It has always been possible to route the 16 ‘P16’ Outputs to AES50 outputs, in the same way as you patch the first 16 Outputs. The X/M32 OUTPUTS are just a patch point / bay, the destination (and Tap point) can be individually configured using the USER Out tab. I worked this out when I picked up a couple of SD8s that have the 8 Ops selectable by slide switch to be fed from 1-8, 9-16, 17-24. I wondered how the 17-24 Outputs were patched.
Interesting point that the I/p version has no preamps - can you use the mixers pre amps?
Sadly, you can’t use the mixers preamps for the input StageConnect box because it isn’t supported on the M32 X32 line. You did bring a good point though. It might be possible on the wing but I doubt it.
how do you get input from ultranet?
Sadly, the way ultranet with the M32 / X32 is currently set up you can only get outputs.
@@sweettreeproductions2149 great to know so basicly the wing can use all the protocol ultranet in and output but also stageconnect right?.
@@jazbasoundandmedia786 The Ultranet Protocol is Output only, no matter what mixer. The Wing is the first mixer that has the new Stage Connect Protocol which transmits 32 channels over one xlr cable. These 32 channels can be any combination of in- and outputs.
unfortunate that it can only be 30 meters
Where did you get this info? I’m running mine as a splitter from IEM rack to FOH. Over 200 feet.
Check out our latest video we ran over 250 feet with no issue.
Truth!
@@Bobby_Uterus I think I saw it when using the sc software, thanks for your message 🤘🏼
I think StageConnect (the XLR input) can only be 30 meters but Ultranet (the Ethernet port) can be much longer.