Thank you so much for this. One of my main issues is the fear of feeling frozen/ immobile/ zoned out as I have all sorts of negative derogatory associations with being in such states such as “wake up, get a grip, what’s the matter with you, is anybody there?” and so on. As a result I feel like I’m constantly battling the pull into freeze...it gets me anyway and then I feel helpless, ashamed and guilty. However, I’m working at staying with the freeze when I can. To be connected to my body and the sensations of paralysis, heaviness, muscles all scrunched up and tight, gaze unfocused and not taking anything in, mouth and jaw tight. I’m trying to notice the environment while in this state and to slowly be less afraid of the state itself.
Thanks for your comments Alex, this is Seth from Team Lyon. All of what you describe here makes sense, and some of it is actually quite promising. I'm referring to the fact that you can feel tension in your freeze - this means you are also getting a sense of the fight/flight underneath, because that's what that tension is - it's the preparation for self defense that is needing to emerge from under the freeze and into completion, and it's good that you can feel that, because it means you are feeling your life energy, it's just stuck right now. I suggest reading this article of mine, so you can get some ideas about how to work WITH that tightness and scrunched up feeling... sethlyon.com/healthy-aggression-the-way-to-un-frustrate-frustration/
@@dorijoe , this is very understandable. Sometimes we need to grow nervous system capacity before we're able to stay present to aspects of our experience. Freeze in particular can be challenging to hold, especially when it's a long standing pattern in the nervous system. If you haven't already seen Irene's Healing Trauma video series, I'd encourage you to check it out. Free Healing Trauma training: irenelyon.com/healing-trauma - Jen from Team Lyon.
Hi nyctilia, Seth here from Team Lyon. It can be hard to find a practitioner as skilled and knowledgeable as Irene, as the work is relatively new still. However, they do exist! I would recommend checking out Irene's 21 Day Tuneup to start - she created that so that anyone with an internet connection can get all the in-depth education and basic practical exercises one needs to get started on this work. It's also a great preparation for doing one-on-one work. Irene also has a video on how to find a good practitioner which might be helpful, I'll put both links below. Thanks for being here! 21 Day Tune Up - 21daytuneup.com/ How to find a good practitioner - ua-cam.com/video/04XF7ANnqGk/v-deo.html
I have been in this stage when lock down started. Within a week I lost my 3 jobs, was told to stay home and not go out and not go to work. My system did not know what hit me. From having to manage my days and weeks and having to pull myself together so I could manage the demands of 3 demanding jobs these past 2 years I went into this complete lock down. Could not pull myself off the couch, did not want to do anything, including housework, or spring clean for the first 6 weeks of this extreme situation. I managed to of course feed and dress myself, but that is as far as it all went! I had the curtains pulled and did not want to open the curtains and just hide in my safe bubble. I seem to be coming out of it now. Long nature walks in this beautiful environment I live in have helped tremendously! Thank You very much for this information and all your videos. it is extremely helpful in learning and understanding!!!
I have had CFS for 15 years. What you are saying is what happened to me as a child... I now know with watching your recordings and working with a therapist when I'm in flight of fight mode . This is now happening less and less. I really feel now into my body and I notice how I'm feeling .. looking around taking things in I'm aware of who I am at a deeper level.. still have way to go and I will be doing your 21 day course ..
Once Ive heared dr Gabor Mate saying, that trauma is not only in something that happened, but also in the things that should have happened and never did. My combination is the missing atachtment and decelopmental traumas. A lot of them that I can remember, but those that happened earlyI cant, and I also have them.
7:20 excuse my French, but... Holy shit. I've had a tonsillectomy and I've lived EXACTLY that situation Irene is describing when I was little (maybe 6 or 8 years old?) I was asked by my mom to lie down on the bed of the hospital and wait for the medics to arrive. Then the medics came and wanted to inject the anesthetic but I got scared and wanted to go away, but they kept me on the bed forcefully while I was crying and begging and raging and trying to fucking move and one of them (a family friend I knew that worked there) told me "name, stop! Or we'll have to do another injection! And then I don't remember much more. When I looked at my mom I saw a concerned sad look on her, like she was sad she couldn't do anything for me and would not have wanted me to go through this. Anyway, just in the last week or so I've started to remember this episode of my life that i never really paid any attention to, and I think that it may have been stored in my nervous system and I should slowly work on remembering and letting it out. Just by writing this I'm sweating and feel HOT. And then this video came out just some days after I started to really think about this. Wow. Talk about synchronism and divine Providence. Thank you Irene
Wow! Funny how information comes to us, just as we need/are ready for it. So great that things are starting to piece together for you! Nicole - Team Lyon
Thank you Irene, the clarity in your content and the way you explain it keeps on amazing me ❤️ Today I realized I like your new videos more than new episodes of my favorite Netflix show
6:01 My mother left me in the crib to cry until I fell asleep when I was only a few weeks old. I know this because she told me that I was such a fussy baby and her mother said it was ok to do that to me. She also did this to all my younger siblings. I must only assume that this is when I learned to feel hopeless and terrified. I was smart but couldn’t think in front of people, couldn’t develop strong or lasting relationships.
Hey Irene, can you make a video for homesickness? Why are some people feel unsafe when they arent in a Save envoirment and get anxiety. Great video! Thnx
I came to look this up and really didn't have the right word but found it online. When I was a little girl when my daddy would start raging and yelling and he would get his belt off and pop it in the air, I had forgotten but my mother said I would "play dead". After she said that I have remembered it now. I have a memory of doing this in an abusive environment. Years later Ihave had problems with freezing during traumatic times but that was different. However, this is opening my eyes at why I might be staying in some situations.
Hi Jennifer Ann Fox, Jen here from Team Lyon. Growing up with a rageful father can definitely cause us to freeze later in life. If you want to learn more, you might check out Irene's free Healing Trauma video training. I'll share. link below. free Healing Trauma video training - irenelyon.com/healing-trauma
Irene, as you're saying that one should be present and feel the immobility WITHOUT THE FEAR - already upon hearing that I experience... ok, fear is the unwanted factor here... so my system needs to try and filter it out. And something tightens up inside me. But that's not how it's supposed to work. Actually, being frozen with fear can also be the kind of frozenness where you don't feel the fear. You may flee into the state of numbness in order not to feel the fear, knowing no other way to handle it. So what does one actually do with the fear in this kind of therapeutic process?
I really think that functional neurological disorder specialist drs should really be looking at this! I have that fibromyalgia and cptsd. Ive tried everything to help myself inc therapy which made me worse. And understanding this and how to re wire my nervous system has actually started having miraculous results!!!! Fnd drs are very much missing a trick here and people are suffering so unnecessarily
Autonomic is not actually named to indicate Automatic. It is named after autonomous, and it has ultimately turned out to be a misnomer. In earlier days of investigatory dissection, what is now called the Autonomic Nervous System appeared to be separte from - the brain, therefore autonomous. Later of course it was realized that this system is absolutely connected with the brain, particularly the older parts of the brain, but even though it is not autonomous in the end, the name remained. Autonomic. And of course the newer development comes with PolyVagal theory, which posits not a two but a three part Autonomic Nervous System - Just mentioning, in the end I find your videos quite useful.
Is derealizacion and depersonalization considered a freeze responde can you please talk more about that disorder and what to do about it? I’ve been suffering chronically for a year and half and can’t get therapy and medication to help me
Does abandonment trauma get us trapped in stress response? Want to put this in a more accessible way: I feel excruciating emotional pain every time I sit down to meditate but I am not feeling threatened. I am longing for love in a chronic way. It feels like I am in constant withdrawal. How does that experience fits in your model? I definitely struggle with nerveous system regulation so I know your channel is very relevant to me. Can you maybe do a video on abandonment trauma? :)
HI @Dori Jo, Jen here from Team Lyon. The experience of abandonment when someone is young might very well cause early and/or developmental trauma. When this type of trauma is in the picture, we often do not receive the support we need in order for the nervous system to build the capacity (ability) to receive the love we crave - this can leave us with a lifelong yearning for love and connection. The good news is that we can grow this wiring at any age when we get the support we need to do so. The experience you describe when you sit down to meditate is not uncommon when we have unresolved trauma. I'll link to an interview where Irene talks about meditation, and also to her free Healing Trauma series. In the series she talks more about the signs and cases of early/developmental (and other types of trauma). Why meditation done right might increase anxiety (preview): ua-cam.com/video/zAo1ditMN0k/v-deo.html
Hi there Irene, thanks for another inspirational video. When saying to go into the immobility without the fear you mean without tensing into it, right..? I've been coming out from this for 23 years now and over the last year or so I started to sense overwhelming panic when this response showed up because I didn't want to loose contact with feeling. And only by feeling that panic I manage not to leave my body. In my case it's due to terrifying loneliness, loosing attachment figures in a very sharp and 'cutting' way and what I've been experiencing s that behind that panic there is always the feeling of heartbreak that was unbearable at the time when the 'cutting' happened.
Oh @Aniko Szitta, i can so relate to what you are describing. Terrifying loneliness, especially when I experience bodily symptoms and health anxiety kicks in. How do we come out of unbearable heartbreak ? I am not really able to stop feeling panic, it makes it even worse. Do you have any suggestions or specific video links to help with that @IreneLyon ?
Hi Aniko. Yes, it's about being able to feel the sensations and emotions of the experience without constricting, tensing up, and being afraid. Containment is very helpful for that, here's a video from Irene that may be helpful... ua-cam.com/video/0ICsbXUCKmM/v-deo.html
@@teamlyon3109 thank you so much for that. After reading your reply I re-read my comment and noticed I made a typing mistake (probably I didn't nitice the predictions) that completely changed the meaning of the content. So I re-edited the comment and deleted the word "stopping", I meant to say "by feeling the panic" instead of "stopping feeling".
Can someone shutdown and freeze but be able to intellectualize the situation. Can intellectualization and oversharing be a defence mechanism against the fear response to hide our vulnerability?
So it could be that reaching a stage of agency or capacity as an adult opened up space for the 'immobility' to finally be processed? Like, it's a stage of progress not regress when it starts to come out?
Hi Ireen, Seth here from Team Lyon. Yes, Irene has a couple resources on this and I'll also link my article on the same subject... ua-cam.com/video/gf5vmPHSzYs/v-deo.html ua-cam.com/video/9EyqPOI3auk/v-deo.html sethlyon.com/come-freeze-flow/
Thank you for this, it's fascinating to learn more about this response. Up until a few years ago I didn't realise I experienced the freeze response as panic attacks and anxiety seemed to be the main issues I struggled with. However, beginning to work with my past trauma I have discovered that I did, and still do, go into the freeze response when fight or flight are not possible. One symptom I have struggled with since being a child when as part of what I think is the immobility response is actually feeling freezing cold. I am aware that my surroundings are not cold, it's as though it comes from within. But nothing will warm me up until I feel safe and relaxed. I find it utterly exhaustinig because the coldness is all I can think about when I have this and it makes me feel unable to move. I'm wondering if this is a common symptom of the freeze response? I'm interested to try going into it (safely) and experience it if I can as I think the resistance to it can make it worse. Thank you again.
Googled and found this: Feeling stuck in some part of body. Feeling cold/frozen, numb, pale skin. Sense of stiffness, heaviness. Holding breath/restricted breathing. Sense of dread, heart pounding. Decreased heart rate (can sometimes increase) Orientation to threat.
Oh, that is an excellent question... I would like to know this as well. I sense that it very well might be when I look at myself. Like an extension of the freeze response. I usually get frozen not so much by feeling numb (or maybe I am not aware of it) but by fearing that any move might be my last....
"In that moment..." 2:13 My life. I'm finally understanding whatz going on and why I'm so damaged. Just recently had an in-office surgical procedure done (that SHOULD have been done in a hospital, I am now told) and the doctor kept screaming at me, he was on top of me sweating, and holding me down. I feel as if I have been raped.
Hi Chinnokvalley, Seth here from Team Lyon. I'm so sorry you had this experience. It sounds like it might be helpful to check out this article on Healthy Aggression. It's all about finding ways to express the energy of the anger and need to protect that would have been flooding your system at that point. sethlyon.com/healthy-aggression-the-way-to-un-frustrate-frustration/
Can I get this respond of stress from my mum? I grow up looking my mum stress exploded all the time but I alway said to myself I don't want this happen to me now I am very calm person but just now in my 51 I am feeling anxiety and food sensitivity, allergy etc I want to know more about this thanks for your information
Hi Marelia, Seth here from Team Lyon. Yes, in fact out parents are usually the primary cause of trauma for most of us, and that's because they were passing on the trauma that they had, this is intergenerational trauma. It sounds like the ramifications of that are now surfacing for you, so yes, definitely learn more. I recommend this free 3-part video training from Irene... irenelyon.com/healing-trauma
Team Lyon Hi Seth many thanks for your respond one final question I am doing the DNRS training now as I been poorly with gastritis erosive and menopause 🤪 could I mix the 21 day training with DNRS could you explain me if the can affect the respond of my brain 🧠🧐
Are you familiar with the Fear-Paralysis Reflex? I am doing a physical practice twice weekly to help integrate that Reflex. How might it relate to the stored trauma you describe?
Hi Erich Brough, Seth here from Team Lyon. Yes, what you describe sounds like another name for the same thing. When we go into Freeze the moment we feel Sympathetic activation (fear), that means that our system has learned to default to freeze early on. Usually this happens with early/developmental trauma as an infant - when there is chronic stress and threat in the environment, the little one's system will learn to bypass fight/flight (because it cannot DO anything with that energy) and go directly to freeze in order to conserve energy.
I’ve been stuck in frozen mode since my uncle sexually assaulted me when I was 19 it sucks i don’t feel like a person anymore I feel dead inside like a robot
Hi Nailea Olivas, Jen here from Team Lyon. I'm sorry to hear about your assault and the resulting long-term freeze. Freeze can be very painful and limiting in life and it really can also thaw with the right support. If you haven't already seen Irene's free Healing Trauma video series, I'd recommend giving it a watch. irenelyon.com/healing-trauma
Hi 885, Seth here from Team Lyon. It's hard to say for sure, but it could be. Usually freeze shows up as overall lethargy, numbness, dissociation, depression, and apathy, but there can also be layers of what we call 'somatic freeze' where the body has literally become numb and hard to feel - which is usually an indication that there is a lot of bog emotion stored in that area.
Your videos are life changing. Truly life changing. This information gotta be mainstream. So valuable and I believe everyone needs it.
Thank you so much for this. One of my main issues is the fear of feeling frozen/ immobile/ zoned out as I have all sorts of negative derogatory associations with being in such states such as “wake up, get a grip, what’s the matter with you, is anybody there?” and so on. As a result I feel like I’m constantly battling the pull into freeze...it gets me anyway and then I feel helpless, ashamed and guilty.
However, I’m working at staying with the freeze when I can. To be connected to my body and the sensations of paralysis, heaviness, muscles all scrunched up and tight, gaze unfocused and not taking anything in, mouth and jaw tight. I’m trying to notice the environment while in this state and to slowly be less afraid of the state itself.
Thanks for your comments Alex, this is Seth from Team Lyon. All of what you describe here makes sense, and some of it is actually quite promising. I'm referring to the fact that you can feel tension in your freeze - this means you are also getting a sense of the fight/flight underneath, because that's what that tension is - it's the preparation for self defense that is needing to emerge from under the freeze and into completion, and it's good that you can feel that, because it means you are feeling your life energy, it's just stuck right now. I suggest reading this article of mine, so you can get some ideas about how to work WITH that tightness and scrunched up feeling... sethlyon.com/healthy-aggression-the-way-to-un-frustrate-frustration/
I am very familiar with this state. It is awful. I don't know how to stay present when this is happening... Frankly it feels impossible.
@@dorijoe , this is very understandable. Sometimes we need to grow nervous system capacity before we're able to stay present to aspects of our experience. Freeze in particular can be challenging to hold, especially when it's a long standing pattern in the nervous system. If you haven't already seen Irene's Healing Trauma video series, I'd encourage you to check it out.
Free Healing Trauma training: irenelyon.com/healing-trauma
- Jen from Team Lyon.
My husband is part of the problem. He would always tell me, it's all in your head. It's your fault that you feel these things.
I really need a therapist like you, this is so important information 🖤
Hi nyctilia, Seth here from Team Lyon. It can be hard to find a practitioner as skilled and knowledgeable as Irene, as the work is relatively new still. However, they do exist! I would recommend checking out Irene's 21 Day Tuneup to start - she created that so that anyone with an internet connection can get all the in-depth education and basic practical exercises one needs to get started on this work. It's also a great preparation for doing one-on-one work. Irene also has a video on how to find a good practitioner which might be helpful, I'll put both links below. Thanks for being here!
21 Day Tune Up - 21daytuneup.com/
How to find a good practitioner - ua-cam.com/video/04XF7ANnqGk/v-deo.html
me too
I have been in this stage when lock down started. Within a week I lost my 3 jobs, was told to stay home and not go out and not go to work. My system did not know what hit me. From having to manage my days and weeks and having to pull myself together so I could manage the demands of 3 demanding jobs these past 2 years I went into this complete lock down. Could not pull myself off the couch, did not want to do anything, including housework, or spring clean for the first 6 weeks of this extreme situation. I managed to of course feed and dress myself, but that is as far as it all went! I had the curtains pulled and did not want to open the curtains and just hide in my safe bubble. I seem to be coming out of it now. Long nature walks in this beautiful environment I live in have helped tremendously! Thank You very much for this information and all your videos. it is extremely helpful in learning and understanding!!!
I have had CFS for 15 years. What you are saying is what happened to me as a child... I now know with watching your recordings and working with a therapist when I'm in flight of fight mode . This is now happening less and less. I really feel now into my body and I notice how I'm feeling .. looking around taking things in
I'm aware of who I am at a deeper level.. still have way to go and I will be doing your 21 day course ..
Once Ive heared dr Gabor Mate saying, that trauma is not only in something that happened, but also in the things that should have happened and never did. My combination is the missing atachtment and decelopmental traumas. A lot of them that I can remember, but those that happened earlyI cant, and I also have them.
7:20 excuse my French, but... Holy shit. I've had a tonsillectomy and I've lived EXACTLY that situation Irene is describing when I was little (maybe 6 or 8 years old?)
I was asked by my mom to lie down on the bed of the hospital and wait for the medics to arrive. Then the medics came and wanted to inject the anesthetic but I got scared and wanted to go away, but they kept me on the bed forcefully while I was crying and begging and raging and trying to fucking move and one of them (a family friend I knew that worked there) told me "name, stop! Or we'll have to do another injection! And then I don't remember much more.
When I looked at my mom I saw a concerned sad look on her, like she was sad she couldn't do anything for me and would not have wanted me to go through this.
Anyway, just in the last week or so I've started to remember this episode of my life that i never really paid any attention to, and I think that it may have been stored in my nervous system and I should slowly work on remembering and letting it out. Just by writing this I'm sweating and feel HOT.
And then this video came out just some days after I started to really think about this. Wow. Talk about synchronism and divine Providence. Thank you Irene
Wow! Funny how information comes to us, just as we need/are ready for it.
So great that things are starting to piece together for you!
Nicole - Team Lyon
“Be in that IMMOBILITY, But Without FEAR” 👏🏻👏🏻
Thank you this is what I'm facing
Thanks Irene!
Your communication clarity in this (three-year-old) video is wondrous.
God knows how brilliant you must be today! Thank you, Irene
Thank you 🙏🏻 ❤
Thank you for educating! ❤️
Thank you Irene, the clarity in your content and the way you explain it keeps on amazing me ❤️ Today I realized I like your new videos more than new episodes of my favorite Netflix show
Wonderfully explained, thank you.
6:01 My mother left me in the crib to cry until I fell asleep when I was only a few weeks old. I know this because she told me that I was such a fussy baby and her mother said it was ok to do that to me. She also did this to all my younger siblings. I must only assume that this is when I learned to feel hopeless and terrified. I was smart but couldn’t think in front of people, couldn’t develop strong or lasting relationships.
Other than this, our family seemed to be fine and no major adversities.
Hey Irene, can you make a video for homesickness? Why are some people feel unsafe when they arent in a Save envoirment and get anxiety. Great video! Thnx
Thanks for the suggestion Greg, I'll pass it on to Irene! - Seth, from Team Lyon
I came to look this up and really didn't have the right word but found it online. When I was a little girl when my daddy would start raging and yelling and he would get his belt off and pop it in the air, I had forgotten but my mother said I would "play dead". After she said that I have remembered it now. I have a memory of doing this in an abusive environment. Years later Ihave had problems with freezing during traumatic times but that was different. However, this is opening my eyes at why I might be staying in some situations.
Hi Jennifer Ann Fox, Jen here from Team Lyon. Growing up with a rageful father can definitely cause us to freeze later in life. If you want to learn more, you might check out Irene's free Healing Trauma video training. I'll share. link below.
free Healing Trauma video training - irenelyon.com/healing-trauma
Ty, helpful
so touching for an excellent video
Irene, as you're saying that one should be present and feel the immobility WITHOUT THE FEAR - already upon hearing that I experience... ok, fear is the unwanted factor here... so my system needs to try and filter it out. And something tightens up inside me. But that's not how it's supposed to work. Actually, being frozen with fear can also be the kind of frozenness where you don't feel the fear. You may flee into the state of numbness in order not to feel the fear, knowing no other way to handle it. So what does one actually do with the fear in this kind of therapeutic process?
I really think that functional neurological disorder specialist drs should really be looking at this! I have that fibromyalgia and cptsd. Ive tried everything to help myself inc therapy which made me worse. And understanding this and how to re wire my nervous system has actually started having miraculous results!!!! Fnd drs are very much missing a trick here and people are suffering so unnecessarily
Autonomic is not actually named to indicate Automatic. It is named after autonomous, and it has ultimately turned out to be a misnomer. In earlier days of investigatory dissection, what is now called the Autonomic Nervous System appeared to be separte from - the brain, therefore autonomous. Later of course it was realized that this system is absolutely connected with the brain, particularly the older parts of the brain, but even though it is not autonomous in the end, the name remained. Autonomic.
And of course the newer development comes with PolyVagal theory, which posits not a two but a three part Autonomic Nervous System - Just mentioning, in the end I find your videos quite useful.
Is derealizacion and depersonalization considered a freeze responde can you please talk more about that disorder and what to do about it? I’ve been suffering chronically for a year and half and can’t get therapy and medication to help me
thankyou, thankyou 🙏🌹
Does abandonment trauma get us trapped in stress response? Want to put this in a more accessible way: I feel excruciating emotional pain every time I sit down to meditate but I am not feeling threatened. I am longing for love in a chronic way. It feels like I am in constant withdrawal. How does that experience fits in your model? I definitely struggle with nerveous system regulation so I know your channel is very relevant to me. Can you maybe do a video on abandonment trauma? :)
HI @Dori Jo, Jen here from Team Lyon. The experience of abandonment when someone is young might very well cause early and/or developmental trauma. When this type of trauma is in the picture, we often do not receive the support we need in order for the nervous system to build the capacity (ability) to receive the love we crave - this can leave us with a lifelong yearning for love and connection.
The good news is that we can grow this wiring at any age when we get the support we need to do so. The experience you describe when you sit down to meditate is not uncommon when we have unresolved trauma. I'll link to an interview where Irene talks about meditation, and also to her free Healing Trauma series. In the series she talks more about the signs and cases of early/developmental (and other types of trauma).
Why meditation done right might increase anxiety (preview): ua-cam.com/video/zAo1ditMN0k/v-deo.html
Hi there Irene, thanks for another inspirational video.
When saying to go into the immobility without the fear you mean without tensing into it, right..? I've been coming out from this for 23 years now and over the last year or so I started to sense overwhelming panic when this response showed up because I didn't want to loose contact with feeling. And only by feeling that panic I manage not to leave my body.
In my case it's due to terrifying loneliness, loosing attachment figures in a very sharp and 'cutting' way and what I've been experiencing s that behind that panic there is always the feeling of heartbreak that was unbearable at the time when the 'cutting' happened.
Oh @Aniko Szitta, i can so relate to what you are describing. Terrifying loneliness, especially when I experience bodily symptoms and health anxiety kicks in. How do we come out of unbearable heartbreak ? I am not really able to stop feeling panic, it makes it even worse. Do you have any suggestions or specific video links to help with that @IreneLyon ?
Hi Aniko. Yes, it's about being able to feel the sensations and emotions of the experience without constricting, tensing up, and being afraid. Containment is very helpful for that, here's a video from Irene that may be helpful... ua-cam.com/video/0ICsbXUCKmM/v-deo.html
@@anaisminto - please see my reply to Aniko above. Thx!
@@teamlyon3109 thank you so much for that. After reading your reply I re-read my comment and noticed I made a typing mistake (probably I didn't nitice the predictions) that completely changed the meaning of the content. So I re-edited the comment and deleted the word "stopping", I meant to say "by feeling the panic" instead of "stopping feeling".
Racism, poverty, bullying due to race. I wish these were spoken of as this was my childhood experience
Thank you 😍
As explained in this video, an increased level of fear does induce immobility in people.
thanks for sharing Irene _/\_
How do you eliminate the fear? The fear itself is what keeps me immobile.
Can someone shutdown and freeze but be able to intellectualize the situation. Can intellectualization and oversharing be a defence mechanism against the fear response to hide our vulnerability?
So it could be that reaching a stage of agency or capacity as an adult opened up space for the 'immobility' to finally be processed? Like, it's a stage of progress not regress when it starts to come out?
I hope so!
In the Netherlands we don't say a dear, but a rabbit in the headlights 😂 Not a lot of wildlife here haha
Where is the video that explains what to do to get out of the immobility response? Could you attach a link?
Hi Ireen, Seth here from Team Lyon. Yes, Irene has a couple resources on this and I'll also link my article on the same subject...
ua-cam.com/video/gf5vmPHSzYs/v-deo.html
ua-cam.com/video/9EyqPOI3auk/v-deo.html
sethlyon.com/come-freeze-flow/
Thank you for this, it's fascinating to learn more about this response. Up until a few years ago I didn't realise I experienced the freeze response as panic attacks and anxiety seemed to be the main issues I struggled with. However, beginning to work with my past trauma I have discovered that I did, and still do, go into the freeze response when fight or flight are not possible.
One symptom I have struggled with since being a child when as part of what I think is the immobility response is actually feeling freezing cold. I am aware that my surroundings are not cold, it's as though it comes from within. But nothing will warm me up until I feel safe and relaxed. I find it utterly exhaustinig because the coldness is all I can think about when I have this and it makes me feel unable to move. I'm wondering if this is a common symptom of the freeze response? I'm interested to try going into it (safely) and experience it if I can as I think the resistance to it can make it worse. Thank you again.
Googled and found this:
Feeling stuck in some part of body.
Feeling cold/frozen, numb, pale skin.
Sense of stiffness, heaviness.
Holding breath/restricted breathing.
Sense of dread, heart pounding.
Decreased heart rate (can sometimes increase)
Orientation to threat.
@@chinookvalley thank you.
Is the freeze response connected to depression?
Yes, it can be.
Oh, that is an excellent question... I would like to know this as well. I sense that it very well might be when I look at myself. Like an extension of the freeze response. I usually get frozen not so much by feeling numb (or maybe I am not aware of it) but by fearing that any move might be my last....
Hi Meredith1282. Yes. The freeze response is the physiological cause of depression. When we resolve the freeze - no more depression!
@@anaisminto - see my reply above
Can you please talk about stoklhom syndrome from the perspective view ?
"In that moment..." 2:13 My life. I'm finally understanding whatz going on and why I'm so damaged. Just recently had an in-office surgical procedure done (that SHOULD have been done in a hospital, I am now told) and the doctor kept screaming at me, he was on top of me sweating, and holding me down. I feel as if I have been raped.
Hi Chinnokvalley, Seth here from Team Lyon. I'm so sorry you had this experience. It sounds like it might be helpful to check out this article on Healthy Aggression. It's all about finding ways to express the energy of the anger and need to protect that would have been flooding your system at that point. sethlyon.com/healthy-aggression-the-way-to-un-frustrate-frustration/
Isn't freeze always a form of dissociation?
Can I get this respond of stress from my mum? I grow up looking my mum stress exploded all the time but I alway said to myself I don't want this happen to me now I am very calm person but just now in my 51 I am feeling anxiety and food sensitivity, allergy etc I want to know more about this thanks for your information
Hi Marelia, Seth here from Team Lyon. Yes, in fact out parents are usually the primary cause of trauma for most of us, and that's because they were passing on the trauma that they had, this is intergenerational trauma. It sounds like the ramifications of that are now surfacing for you, so yes, definitely learn more. I recommend this free 3-part video training from Irene... irenelyon.com/healing-trauma
Team Lyon Hi Seth many thanks for your respond one final question I am doing the DNRS training now as I been poorly with gastritis erosive and menopause 🤪 could I mix the 21 day training with DNRS could you explain me if the can affect the respond of my brain 🧠🧐
Are you familiar with the Fear-Paralysis Reflex? I am doing a physical practice twice weekly to help integrate that Reflex. How might it relate to the stored trauma you describe?
Hi Erich Brough, Seth here from Team Lyon. Yes, what you describe sounds like another name for the same thing. When we go into Freeze the moment we feel Sympathetic activation (fear), that means that our system has learned to default to freeze early on. Usually this happens with early/developmental trauma as an infant - when there is chronic stress and threat in the environment, the little one's system will learn to bypass fight/flight (because it cannot DO anything with that energy) and go directly to freeze in order to conserve energy.
I’ve been stuck in frozen mode since my uncle sexually assaulted me when I was 19 it sucks i don’t feel like a person anymore I feel dead inside like a robot
Hi Nailea Olivas, Jen here from Team Lyon. I'm sorry to hear about your assault and the resulting long-term freeze. Freeze can be very painful and limiting in life and it really can also thaw with the right support. If you haven't already seen Irene's free Healing Trauma video series, I'd recommend giving it a watch.
irenelyon.com/healing-trauma
@@teamlyon3109 thank you so much for all you do I appreciate it so much
@@naileaolivas2788, it's a pleasure!
Would a cool collapsed feeling in the chest going into a a freeze state?
Hi 885, Seth here from Team Lyon. It's hard to say for sure, but it could be. Usually freeze shows up as overall lethargy, numbness, dissociation, depression, and apathy, but there can also be layers of what we call 'somatic freeze' where the body has literally become numb and hard to feel - which is usually an indication that there is a lot of bog emotion stored in that area.
@@teamlyon3109 Thanks for the reply
Can you please talk about stoklhom syndrome from the perspective view ?