TBS Tracer Range Test - Better than ImmersionRC Ghost?
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- Опубліковано 8 жов 2024
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TBS Tracer bit.ly/2VXt6DC is a brand new RC radio system that is advertised as "to the moon!". Moon is far, so it suggests a long range. Let's do the standardized walking range test on the same course I used to test ImmersionRC Ghost and FlySky FRM302. And answer the question: Tracer vs. Ghost, which one is better? Today only in terms of range!
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Yes, really interested to see how Accst R9 compares to all these new protocols.
Kind of irrelevant. The point of these new systems are that they run on 2.4ghz. if you want a comparison to the r9, then crossfire is what you should be looking for. Both on 900mhz.
Maybe you can search for some videos about Ghost/tracer vs crossfire first, then crossfire vs R9.
@shocking reality exactly my point. I'm happy with R9 but wondered if there was any real advantage to buying one of these new 2.4 systems aside from less latency which I'm not too bothered about for long range purposes. 👍
@shocking reality totally agree. I've had no issues with R9 accst on flex so far. I think I'm going to buy another accst module as back up as they are so cheap now 👍
@shocking reality yes I read about that too, but I think telemetry is limited? Further reading needed on that for me. Can't beat my R9 and Slim+ at the moment though, it just works.
Sticking with my crossfire. Thanks for the info!
Really like the testing and final analysis on what to go with. For me it is the Ghost all the way. Thanks Pawel.
One great plus for TBS Tracer/Crossfire is that they use the same CRSF protocol, so in theory you can wire it to the exact same UART and connect the voltage to a small SPDT switch and toggle between Tracer/Crossfire depending on how far you intend to fly or whether you're in an area with bad RF interference at a certain frequency.
Redundant receivers at different frequency bands? Interesting project
That's a cool idea 👍🏻
@@sjeses There was a quiet hint that this might already be in the works, but I got the impression that it's still in the idea / proof of concept stage right now.
@@yngndrw. Cool, I like the "let's just see if it works" approach of our hobby. So many mad scientists out there just having fun, and it feeds new ideas into even more budding mad scientists. Every time I think the hobby has tried everything, there is something new in my feed that I get to marvel at.
Thank you Pawel for your honest opinion and tests.
But, but, Trappys add says 45km range up in the mountains...?...lol.
@BlackMesa You not seen the Add then, obviously...
Is the RX side diversity mandatory? Is there a setting to allow single antenna use? Diversity is all fine on a long range quad but having to mount an extra antenna for freestyle or racing is a downside to me, even if it's a smaller antenna. It's also one extra thing that can break.
During the launch video of tracer trappy said you can use just one antenna if you want with no issue. Supposedly they did testing with no antennas also for lolz :p
@@starsstripesjacket OK that's good to know.
Great testing, Pawel! Thanks a lot! 😊
Stay safe there with your family! 🖖😊
The range testing is just pandering for views. You nailed the whole idea of the Tracer at the end of the test. It's a Radio thats not supposed to compete with the crossfire, but suppose to cemet TBS foothold in nearly all aspects of control link. Crossfire has range and penetration tracer locks down everything the crossfire can not, in terms of MGP racing. The ghost is trying to be a little more of a jack of all trades radio. Before tracer popped, I was gonna buy a ghost to compliment my crossfire and take care of what my crsf cant, racing. Well, racing with a bunch of people on crsf. Tracer dropped, and I have absolutely no reason to go ghost anymore. A crsf and tracer will complete my needs.
Not surprising I guess. Tracer claims 250 Hz all the time. But that comes at a cost of range.
@Russell Phelan correct me if i am wrong but, tracer does not have the ability to use LoRa
this may be a big ask, but do the ghost test again in the same weather and it will be conclusive. thanks pawel for the comparison and no i still haven't had my ghost delivered 4 months and counting. r9 has express lrs which will be interesting
I had a failsafe 500 m away and I was over bushes and lost my quad because it’s gone into thick scrub that made it impossible to get. Just had another fail safe probably 200 m away. Not really that impressed with the clean that it can go up to 25 km but yet I’m having fail saves at least the one. They have been trees and bushes in the way but surely for something rated for 25 km wouldn’t have an issue with those at sub 1K
How is humidity affecting 2.4 ? From what I know its significant and on the day from this video it really looks humid.
2.4 is the frequency that water resonates/absorbs energy at, so there will be more loss over distance than with a different frequency. I'm doubtful that this can be circumvented by clever "chirping" of the signal.
The humidity in the air has totally negligible effect unless you are doing like a satellite link. I say this as a guy who has designed kilometers long microwave links. The path loss for rain is tiny fractions of a dB per km. For humidity it isn't even measured.
@@JoshuaBardwell
Thx 🤘🏻
Well, it seems that Crossfire is still going to be the RC link of choice for my models for now.
No no my friend tracer is 2.4 and it will match 1.3 ghz very beautiful 😍 thanks how you counting it
@@SM-cf7kv I know it must be a better solution for 1.3ghz FPV crowd. I, however, only fly at 5.8ghz, so 900mhz radio suits me very well.
They are for different things. Crossfire is longer range but Tracer has a 3 millisecond response time in a shorter range
Hey Pawel, when tracer failed initially did you check your tracer antennas were'nt close together (lined with each other) and were opposite orientations?
Ten tracer to warto na niego przejść z crossfire?
Latam raczej bliski cinematic, ale w lasach, w budynkach.
Jaką maksymalną moc wyjściową osiąga TBS mambo na 2.4ghz w połączeniu z odbiornikiem tracer na dronie? na swoim tango mam hcyba 500mw albo 800mw na płytce v3 i nigdy nie straciłem zasięgu nawet na sekundę a QL mam zawsze 99.
Czy te 2 anteny diversity na odbiorniku tracer działają jak prawdziwe diversity? Takie rozwiązanie powinno sprawdzić się lepiej w lataniu cinematic na robocie które wymaga pełnej elastyczności.
Hi Pawel, is it possible to take them all at once (Tracer, FRM302, Ghost, R9) and log the data, probably the biggest issue would be to find 4 transmitters :D
That would not be fair for Tracer
May I ask what is the latency of your Crossbow lrs?
Hi Pawel, I had exactly the same result with my new Tracer system. In fact, I compared it to a frsky xm+, and got slightly further using the xm+! It might be worth trying firmware 5.02 though, as it improved the range somewhat for me.
That was the latest firmware as I flashed before the walk
Good to know. Hopefully there will be further firmware improvements. I know there is talk of 500mw. I have a R9 system, and even at 100mw, the difference is huge. I can walk around our estate with 20 houses between the quad and the transmitter on R9 without it breaking a sweat, but tracer looses reception in about 50m with 2 or 3 houses in between.
@@DerkJohn23 can you feel latency improvements at all?
@@Christheawsome3 The quad feels great in the air, but I can't say that I'm a good enough pilot to really notice the difference.
a range test between FrSky 2.4 and tracer ?
Check express LRS, it has the potential to be the very best and as open source it can grow. runs 868ghz and 2.4ghz multiple hardware platforms.
What is the status of Telemetry of ELRS? What telemetry options are supported?
Does 2.4GHz with ExpressLRS mean you have to build your own radio module or can some existing ones be flashed with ExpressLRS?
Thanks review ghost better than Tracer?
Are you doing the same walk with crossfire?
As soon as somebody sends me Crossfire ;)
I've been out 5miles with Cross fire micro with 99% signal
@@jimmytheriot8978 quad or wing?
@@gmivisualsjason3729 fix wing , Phoenix 2400 , Ranger 2400 , Fx 61 wing
ok - i orderd Tracer yesterday - apparently it would have been better to wait a little longer and order Ghost
Trust. Tracer has been out for like a month....a big update is about to hit. You did not make a bad choice.
Have you flown since Ludacris mode? It's way better now
No car, just walk. Good for your health...
Tracer is for short range low latency. It’s designed for racing and freestyle. As soon as you enable LORA you add latency. If you want long range use Ghost or Crossfire. I will be changing from Crossfire to Tracer as I only do freestyle.
Same :)
Exactly why I'm switching everything to Tracer!
why would LORA add latency?
nah, ghost is perfect for racing. It will do both.
@Russell Phelan it can do 500hz :) not that someone needs it but...
thanks for doing this so i didnt have to
my pleasure, mate
Should do one with Ghost and Tracer locked at their highest refresh rate
Bardwell's test basically had the opposite outcome testing through his hotel building and down the street.
Bardwell tested Ghost, not Tracer over there
@@FPVUniversity Sorry yes he tested a standard crossfire unit at 250mw (not tracer) vs ghost at 350mw and it seemed the standard crossfire had a longer range.
So maybe tracer is just good at being the lowest latency at a closer more regular flying range.
You try with fw 5.02 in the Tracer? 5.01 is bad i see.
That was 5.02 I updated the FW right on arrival
@@FPVUniversity Ok thanks ! is definitely worse 😅
100mw for all?
yes. RM302 locked at 100mW, Ghost and Tracer with autopower up to 100mW
Thanks Pavel...I was just about to buy Tracer..but I,ve always been very very happy with my TBS Crossfire..You just saved me..umm £ 130.00 👍🍻
buy Ghost - that way you have both - speed when you need it, longer range when you need it.
@@zeDoSauRus ...True...But I have 10 crossfire quads right now,so a lot of time and work to convert them all over.I,m also hesitating buying Any new fpv equipment due to the new EU regulations ...I (think) they will try and copy America with a "Remote ID" law.
Then,I feel that (legal) fpv flying will become impossible.
EU must copy America...with rules etc,.due to "pressure"😉😔
@@chrissofpv3017 I also thought that but I killed all my receivers very fast. now happy with Ghost :)
@@zeDoSauRus 👍🍻
which firmware did you use for the range test?
5.02
@@FPVUniversity was the comparison with the highest update rate on the other systems? with telemetry on? all these things will cost sensitivity. also how about the power levels in the direct comparison? very interesting test nonetheless, the results are somewhat in line with what we are seeing.
Ghost was in "Normal" mode and Tracer as it was shipped besides firmware update
@@FPVUniversity I see. Normal mode is just 50Hz ... can't get something for nothing :) more news soon!
@@FPVUniversity btw, thanks for doing these tests!
I guess a lot of people have their inner mr. Steele.
He is comparing 50hz (60) vs 250hz... no wonder it has better range...
Compare both at 250hz...
At the same time or day.
Let me see what is the difference.
50hz is not that freestyle or racers search. Most of the users set 150hz locked for low latency.
I bought tracer for 250hz and solid link and a bit further range than ACCESS.
Maybe some 2.4g devices on you (Smartphone WiFi, Smartwatch, HD Cam) interfere with the signal coming from the TX?
Ghost is superior :)
Tbs vs ghost vs ExpressLRS
ExpressLRS would beat both ;)
Tracer isn't for distance but for latency and near flying with the fastest response times. For racers and free stylers as trappy stated.
he also stated it can do that at 25 miles i get fail save at 300m with some light trees between
I absolutely understood nothing
Looks like a firmware problem
Nice work Pavel. 👍 Beware of Trappy!! 🤪😠🤬 Joke, just keep being honest. 👌
I am really suspicious on the efficacy of a ground level test. Not of Pavel! we put these on flying machines anyway
the dream is to fly as low and far as possible :) get your point tho
use a bicycle
Now we need 1.3 video gear 😛
yas, it looks like knowitallfpv haha
JOSHUA BARDWELL I meant.. I wasnt being a smart ass but honest
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