The Luwian Indo-Europeans of Lycia, Turkey 🇹🇷
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Lycia was a geopolitical region in Anatolia on the southern coast of Turkey. Known to history since the records of ancient Egypt and the Hittite Empire in the Late Bronze Age, it was populated by speakers of the Luwian language group of the Anatolian branch of Indo-Aryan languages, related to Hittie language. It is likely the Trojans spoke Luwian too.
The people of Lycia were not regarded as barbarians by the Greeks. Herodotos noted: "They have customs that resemble no one else’s. They use their mother’s name instead of their father’s. If one Lycian asks another from whom he is descended, he gives the name of his mother. And if a citizen woman should cohabit with a slave, the children are considered of free birth; but if a citizen man, even the foremost of them, has a foreign wife or mistress, the children are without honour".
This channel is spectacular mate. thank you!
Another great video!
I have always dreamed of seeing the ruins of Hattusa some day. The written collections of the Anatolians are our only indication of how proto-IE language was like. Just witnessing all of the Bronze Age architecture is a thrill. Be safe on your travels.
+EnthalpyH I would also like to see Hattusa. Thanks!
Just discovered your channel, really enjoying the content. Thanks!
+IndependentGeorge76 np - thanks for watching
Love your channel very much. I think that civilization is a great and precious thing, difficult to create and difficult to maintain.
+CartoonPhilosopher so do I, thank you
Great video.
Btw can you please make a detailed video on the genetics and ancestry of ancient Greeks and how modern Greeks are different (if so)? It's a topic that is very muddled to this day.
Very interesting video! And maybe its because the time is 01:40AM but i find your voice very pleasing and calming! Subscribed!
+Lithi um OK I hope you slept well
Oh I thought the same!. His videos are of ASMR quality ;)
@@keptins oooooooooo
Lycia really made an impression on me. I visited many of the ruins along the coast from Side over to Kas(h). If you get the chance to go again you should try to get up to Selge, in the mountains. It's off the tourists paths, but you should be able to find someone to take you up there.
Good Stuff Man!
malachi simonyan Armenian man with African name lol
@Medea Kiknadze Malachi is used by Black people now in America
@@Coregame3 he looks like someone from north India 🇮🇳
@@HASSPREDIGER20 usually Persians do
Thank You a Thousand Times for your time and money spent to document Anatolian History and for your clear statements about the Indo European origin of the Anatolian populations! I hope and urge those who see your work and love the history of Anatolia to support you in the future as well. Many Anatolians are alive today in the gene pool on the territory of Turkey. Actually the genetic marker R1b is found in the Phrygian Valley and then on the superior course of the Danube...
Yes mate, we are still here :) contrary to the opinion of many people, that our roots are directly from Central Asia.
@@bora8417 abi sen turk misin? Nasil ogreniyoruz senin bildin
@@gingfreecss3467 Evet Türküm. Yorumda bahsedilen R1b haplogrubu Y-dna içerisinde bulunuyor, eğer erkeksen Y-dna testi yaptırıp öğrenebilirsin. İnternetten araştırırsan bulabilirsin çeşitli firmalar yapıyor.
@@bora8417 benim bildiğim kadarıyla Anadolu halkları hiçbir zaman büyük ölçüde Yamnaya geni taşımadı yani hep 10-20% civarıydı sanki
@@bora8417 Ethnic Turks are actually overwhemingly Anatolian, Greek, Balkan, Levant (Syrian, Lebanese), Armenian, Iranian, Circassian, Georgian, Kurdish, etc.etc. in genetic profile, that is they are closer related to their neighbors. Thus they are Caucasoids, and overlap with Southern European and Middle Eastern people, with features and genes like their European and Middle Eastern neighbors. Very few Turkish people actually have any original Turkic/Central Asian DNA in them. The original Turkic peoples were Mongoloids and later as they expanded westward many gradually got a mixed Caucasoid-Mongoloid (Eurasian) profile. Your average Eastern European such as a Central or Southern Russian or an Eastern Ukrainian probably has just as much Central Asian admixture at similar levels, that is very low.
Fascinating video couldn't agree more with what you said in and around the 4 minute mark and think it applies to whats happening to us today.
+Mr. WhatChaMaCalum Thanks. We are sadly in decline.
What's funny is that it is also the birthplace of Santa Claus
So much history in Anatolia, visiting Turkey is on my bucket list.
Celtic Phoenix
Be careful not to get burned by the sun „celtic“ mate
Celtic Phoenix
Did a turkish guy stole your wife or what is wrong with you?
Celtic Phoenix
Good to know how you judge about people you don‘t even know or do i call you a fenian bastard? I think you have a huge Problem with your ego and by the way i don‘t even live in Turkey. Something must have been wrong in your childhood that you became such an selfish,egocentric idiot. You should check out your own text and maybe you see some negative points you told me in yourself.
Well,i don‘t care about religions. The prophets are irrelevant for me and to be honest I also don‘t care about your point of view. I only respond to the things you said before and maybe you should you should celebrate channuka while eating a Kebap and drinking whine.
A hopefully interesting side note about Patara, is that it is the birthplace of St. Nicholas, though he is mostly associated with the city of Myra (also in Lycia) where he was the bishop (late 3rd century through early 4th century.
My ancestors!
@@EuropeanAmericanGenZ_ND yet mixed heavily with the locals.
The seljuks were only a small amount of people
I was there 2 mouths ago. I was at military in that city :) nice chosee
Can you make any content on Armenia and Armenians? They are also a very ancient Indo European speaking people and the only IE remaining people in the region next to the Greeks and have Hittite as well as Hurrian and Phrygian ancestry.
Greeks borrowed the Sun God Apollo from the Lycians -in Athens he was known as Apollo Lyceus and we get the word Lyceum and the French get the word Lycee.A well known myth -grandiosely illustrated in front of the palace of Versailles in the form of a fountain -is that the goddess Leto, pregnant with Apollo and Artemis(The sun and the moon) being thirsty asked the Lycian peasants for a drink but they pushed her away.As punishment the gods turned the peasants into frogs.In the Leto fountain at Versailles the Lycian peasants are seen as being changed into frogs.The Letoon was a temple in Lycia which was the centre of the cult of this goddess and the 12 independent Lycian cities met here to cement their confederation.
There many names for all the greek gods. For example there is the aryan Zeus or the apollo of the North who comes from the North and brings the summer and the sun
Lycia was Christian for a thousand years, from the 4th to the 14th century. So it has a long Christian history.
Also, the Lycian language was perhaps the same as Lydian and Carian and very closely related to Luwian, which became sort of the lingua franca of Anatolia after the fall of the Hittite empire in the late 13th century BCE. Luwian and Hittite were sister languages and separated from their common ancestor sometime between 3000 and 2500 BCE.
Lydian and karian were related to phrygian and hellenic, not lycian
@@aftastosk6016 no lydian and carian were close to hittite and they were in the same language branch in anatolian branch they werent much close to greek or phrygian
@@aftastosk6016 lydian, lycian, luwian, hittite these were all sister languages in anatolian language branch
Hittites are from Hattusas a very old old city similar to Troy is some ways.
Can you make a video about genetics of modern Anatolia?
Average genetics of an anatolian turk is, 35% medival central asian turk, %65 percent native anatolian
@@efe9446 Central Asian genes are like 4%, mostly native Anatolian and Mesopotamian
You sound like me talking to my family & friends when I visit Greece.
Thank you Brother.
Now THIS is content 🫡
Glad you enjoyed it
Very interesting.
I read that the Zembek originated from the Hittete and thus their dance (zebegi) to represent an eagle or in between drunk and eagle (Zeibekiko) with the Greeks, is an dance from very ancient times.
+OhFortunae where do the Zembek live?
+Survive the Jive Zeybeks live mainly in Anatolia I thought.
It is said that Troy was inhabited by Carians and that the leadership had come from Minoan Crete...the Thracians assisted the Trojans against the Achaens(Hellenic tribe). Between Crete and Thrace there was a religious link: the cult of Dyonisus. The inscriptions found in the island of Samothrace are now being compared to Anatolian languages to which it may have been related. The Thracian Orpheus authored the Rhapsodic Theogony quoted in Greek in thr Souda the Byzantine Encyclopedia and this was later found to resemble Hittite myth that in turn resembles Hurrian or Mittani myth. This latter people worshipped Vedic gods as shown by inscriptions....
If I could go back to the neolithic or bronze age I would pick Anatolia. It has the most interesting history IMO and when I think of what that region must have been like (including Greece) when it was forested it would have been the ideal place to encounter a forest nymph.
I refuse to call that landmass by its modern name.
weirdo
Didn't know you came to Turkey before
Have been about five times
That's a theatre, not a amphitheatre like Colosseum.
Tuesday as Tīw's (Tyr's) or Dyeus' day. Basically the day of God. Interesting. Well exactly as the rest of them
Monday - Moon's day
Wednesday - Odin's day
Thursday - Thor's day
Friday - Frigg's day
Saturday - Saturn's day
Sunday - day of the Sun
If you ever go to Turkey again please come to demre and hoyran,it's full of history,Lycian ruins all around my family's land.come stay with us,at our eco village.theres so much untouched history....
thanks for that kind offer. I went to Demre in 2013 actually
Your most welcome,the offer is always there.bring a tent.
Demreliler her yerde
How can you travel so much? I'm quite jealous, I fear that I'll only ever see the Midwest of America (least my corner of it)
Imagine how us Eastern Orthodox feel about losing the Byzantine empire.
It's amazing to think of a person in 3000 years discovering the ruins of our current civilization.
My origins ❤ I’m more than a Half southwest Anatolian (Lycian) my parents are both of them from Antalya, I feel this region as mine ❤️
Whereas people of Antalya have around 40% Medieval Turkic blood👀
@@papazataklaattiranimam yea i'm from a Yoruk tribe, i have 50 % from the steppes, 50 % from the carian, lycians, pontian anatolians, also don't forget most of our turkic genetic is made up of western eurasian, so Scythian and Saka for the most today we have 15 % 20 % east eurasian max, in antalya it can go far than 20 %, peoples tough i had asian eyes but i have hunter eyes, we are mostly caucasians with 20 to 30 % steppe admixture in Antalya and Mugla with some asian never forget that
@@FlaresArts We are Central Asians, we didn’t originate from Caucasus.
@@papazataklaattiranimam Anatolians originate from Caucasus
@@papazataklaattiranimam There is no 100 % central asian except yoruks (who look blonde with blue eyes), i'm from sarikecili tribe, sarikecili tribe in Antalya still have blue eyes and blonde hairs
Seeing as the Lycians were an Indo-European people, and Lycia is in the region of the Luwian civilization, is it possible the Luwians were an Indo-European civilization as a whole?
Lycians come from crete. But king Minos banished his brother serpadon and their followers. They were banished and fled to asia
4:21 "Our heritage" LOL!
I said "KIND OF our heritage" with that disclaimer because we do not descend from Lycians of course, but Lycian is an IE culture which was also influenced heavily by other IE cultures, namely Greece and Rome.
@Survivethejive Can you make a video on Ancient Greek and Roman genetics and the relation to their modern descendants? If not, a comment detailing this?
It's interesting that you insinuate that the ancient Anatolian civilizations are exclusively the heritage of Western European and there's no-one to appreciate it now that turks rule those lands. I don't know if you know this, but their capital city of Ankara's symbol is the Hittite Sun disk. They're very much aware of the heritage of their land and its a part of them as well as the turkic culture that arrived there from Central Asia.
The natives of Anatolia didnt just disappear when the turks arrived, they slowly became turkified over time due to the strong influence of that culture, much like the way you explained in your video about where Celts came from, and how Britons got Celticised rather than the other way around.
You are quite right. Turkish Anatolians are mostly of Anatolian not Turkic descent
@@Survivethejive I think the problem though is that nationalism is still very much alive over there today, so people aren't very keen on openly talking about their genetic heritage and that it could be more than just one. Like they admit that there were all these civilizations there before and they like the idea of incorporating them into their collective culture, but when it comes to their genetic heritage, they generally claim that they're fully turkic, descended from turkic tribes of Central Asia, and absolutely nothing else, lol.
But anyway, you do great content. Really insightful work.
@@Survivethejive Genetically it is, but after all, we have Turkic blood as much as the English have Germanic blood.
@@GHFrankie nobody is saying we wuz 100% Turkic in Turkey lol
@@papazataklaattiranimamreally depends where you’re from, my family is from kahramanmaraş and I have 0 Turkic blood
It was under Roman administration for I dunno.. A thousand years ala the eastern Roman Empire.. You know the place where there was no dark ages, people eat with forks. I'm always amused on how the rest of Europe re found the classics, they never left..on that side of Europe. It was easier to call them Byzantines after it fell, only 50 years after was that name coined. Because for the rest of the Europeans because it didn't look good for the barbarianswho rediscovered the classics to have the medieval version of RE smacking in it the face, like hey over here, there is no rediscover going on here but we'll help you by going to Italy and jump kicking the Italian renaissance.
@@nodruj8681 bro don't lecture someone with Grammar by starting off with bro. You feel me? Lol
And you might be dyslexic if you can't comprehend.
Extinction of Anatolian languages is very dramatic.
HELLENIZATION
Δίας Ζευς the same root for Dio, divine, etc.
One of Many The All Great Dios Holy Eternal. Salvè
Things rise, things fall, things rise again :)
"...people who like to blow up..."
Looks like a peaceful place.
+baphomet418 it is very peaceful.....but HOT
If you at the Britannica definition of the Goddess danu it says that she suckling the Gods, and the serpent comes in many forms because the serpent of your faith is the enemy of mine and so on.
Praise be Lord God of Hittites Tarhuntas the Storm King and Warrior who is Master of Heaven. 77777
They blow up relics of the past, because history is vitally important.
You're blistering red under that Mediterranean sun lil bro 😂
5 hour hike
VERY INTERESTING video......this man may might as well be an ancient Israelite, with his Nordic appearance, prancing through Turkey......
Alexander Perez tell me what you mean? Are you saying ancient Israelites were aryan?
@@TheRick8866 Technically, yes. Although Aryans were a specific Caucasian group of ancient India and Iran. Israelites were Semites, who were known to not only be red haired/blonde haired and blue eyed to a high degree, but are the ancestors of at least most of what we know as Celtic/Germanic peoples and their descendants today.
There is enough evidence for this, and I urge you to research it with an open mind.
Alexander Perez I definitely will. I realize Aryan are an indo European. I’ve watched enough stj videos. Mesopotamia farmers are related to ancient Israelites? Similar to modern Sardinia?
@@TheRick8866 ALL of us people of Adamic/Caucasoid/White origin are related, if you believe the Bible.
YOU LEAVE JACK BURTON ALONE
Helle Im turksh ımFrom İzmir smyna
Im kinda disappointed in the lack of mention of the Armenians, the people that have been living on the Caucuses mountains for almost ten thousand years...our empire went from where you are in this video, western anatolia neighboring Greece, all the way to Russia in the north and all of modern day Iran. We were first a pagan people then zoroastrian from the Persian Empire that took over us then the roman empire then the Ottoman empire now we're a tiny landlocked country surrounded by muslims. All the churches and pagan ruins you see, us Armenians made, and the worst part is the blow up our ancient churches for fun, or they convert them to mosques. Like hagia sophia. So sad and disgusting seeing it with minarets.
I agree, I love his content but I wish he would mention Armenian’s a bit more, considering our rich IE and Neolithic Anatolian history.
Man your beard is red!
I love how you say Aryan language and not Indo-European. I am an Aryan. Indo-European is a new label to try to make us ashamed of our ancestry.
patara is not close to syria
Closer than England is
@@Survivethejive we are talknig about ancient hellenistic world
It pleases the ears of Indo-Aryans when the other branches of Indo-Europeans also call themselves Aryans. But then, only Upper-Caste Hindus are the real Aryans, Mlecchas are not.
ironically the term "mleccha" would originally have referred to Indians who spoke Dravidian languages!
Pushyamitra Shunga and yet those ‘mlecchas’ are genetically far more Aryan than those upper caste cow worshippers, weird that.
5000 to 6000 years ago Indus valley civilization faced massive draught, they were migrated to middle East Asia, Europe, India and south east Asia. This is the reason ancient Greek and ancient Indian civilization has similarities in cultures and languages.
No, there is no Indian DNA in Europe at all
@@Survivethejive if Indo-European migration theory is correct and anybody say there is a similarity between European and Indian ( European white-indian Aryan) it is possible that they have similar ancestry. Both East to west migration and West to east migration is also possible. If you say there is no Indian dna in Europe, either dna analysis were wrong or they need more data. Or Indo-European invasion or Aryan invasion theory is also wrong. I don't want to hurt anybody's feelings. My statement is based on Vedic text explaining how indus and Saraswati river dried and massive migration happened. Early Assyrian empire kings and mention of Vedic culture, then similarities between ancient Greek and Indian mythology.
@Danny J. Yes, I read that theory, but I seriously doubt people could live, or migrate from that area. Because of ice age northern and middle part of world were frozen that time. Not good for agriculture and cultivation.
@Robar X5 you realize indo Europeans made it to India right?
Hahaha deluded indian boy who thinks India is the centre of the universe
ughh if only the guy stopped showing his face and SHOWED what he is actually explaining....
your heritage....without sunblocker you could not even work on the farm there :D
All European farmer ancestry comes from Anatolia 8k years ago. But the Lycians are not ancestral to Europeans, I was only referring to their Indo-European culture which derives from a Northerly people of the steppes. Med farmers just wear long sleeve shirts and hats. suncream has no relevance! I wasn't wearing it that day and hiked 5 hours in the baking sun, while the average Turk was relaxing in the shade. Remember the Brits conquered tropical countries like India and they didnt have suncream
Ahh the northerner
nice vid again. but can u do one on the greeks that still exist. most modern greeks r pregreek peoples. in ancient times the greeks were the ruling class minority and had enslaved the natives , for some reason modern history ignores this. my mother was from Greece a manoit. plus explain why the most greek people still here today r the hairiest greeks. mother told me she learned the greeks came from the north and the steppes. back in the 20s this was what they lerned in school. the greeks back then and in ancient times knew they were not from Greece and conquered what is now Greece and brought greek lang and gods and reduced the native gods to below there gods .
this year a dna study will conclusively determine the relationship between ancient and modern greeks.
Not the case though, ancient greeks did think of themselves as natives to Greece. There are many conflicting "origin stories" that they had of themselves, some involving direct descent from the Pelasgians, others including mythology and the Titans. Also nowhere is it written that all the greeks enslaved the native "pre greeks", as you call them.
From what I gather you are just refering to the Dorians. They were the only group of greeks that actually said they came from the north, after they had been living in the Pindous mountains for a long time. They also were the ones to enslave the helots, who were by all accounts local, pre Dorian, bronze age greek, people. Dorians were just one out of four tribes that made up what was ancient greece, the others were Ionians, Acheans and Aetolians.
Thomas pointless speculating when the study will reveal the truth
Yeah, I was just refering to the idea the greeks had of themselves, we know they spoke an indoeuropean language.. I look forward to the results of the study...
www.sciencemag.org/news/2017/08/greeks-really-do-have-near-mythical-origins-ancient-dna-reveals
www.nature.com/nature/journal/v548/n7666/full/nature23310.html
phys.org/news/2017-08-civilizations-greece-revealing-stories-science.html
The study is out, it confirmed a pretty strong Genetic continuity of the Greek dating back to Minoa. pretty cool
Trump has become a god among many in the American political right so I know exactly what you mean.
Hitites, Lydians, Luwians and Lycians are linguistically related to the Kurds and even genetically.
Kurdish is Iranic and therefore comes from a very distant Indo European language line. Iranic is more closely related to Slavic than to Hittite
@yaşa of what
@yaşa sen = ermen 🤢🤮💩
thanks for the interesting research related to this people, the only thing I can criticize is to call them as an indo-european civilization..as the Italian researcher Giovanni Semerano wrote, never existed an indo-european culture, the only root is Sumer and Accad. we don't have any Indo-European language, the mother language of western civilization is only Sumer and Accad...even if mainstream science doesn't accept it, they don't accept eny semitic root...probably because of the nazy roots of modern linguistic science
+Massimo Dattena Hi, I am not aware of any philologist who supports what you say regarding Semitic roots of European languages, and th national socialists were hardly influential on modern Western academia, quite the reverse in fact so i am afraid i reject that claim too. Thanks for your comment.
+Survive the Jive Well, the Greeks, Romans and Germanic peoples all used an Alpha-Bet. I've noticed alot of similarities in Hebrew and English...."ash" is the Hebrew word for "fire"...."yalad" is Hebrew for "young man" which sounds similar to "lad". The word father and mother in Hebrew are similar to many languages also.
The Greeks say that Cadmus the Phoenician gave them the Alpha-Bet....and the Bible even says that the Spartans are Israelites
1Maccabees 12:21 It is found in writing, that the Lacedemonians and Jews are brethren, and that they are of the stock of Abraham
+Survive the Jive nobody support this idea, and was not even easy for Giovanni Semerano to publish his monumental vocabulary from accadian to greek latin italian french english , titled in Italian" le origini della civilta' europea", he prooves as the roots of very important worlds,used today in differents european languages are born in Sumer..but if we realize that modern linguistic was born in germany, under nazy government......if we think to the same name Europ...is very close to the accadic west...sorry I don't remember the exact term ...thanks for answer, I follow your channel..congrat.
+Massimo Dattena I checked this and Semerano did not know about the Hittite language tablets that have since been deciphered. There is too much evidence against him, I am afraid it is totally wrong.
I am not surprise about it, if I can find something to interest you about this topic I'll send it on your channel
thanks a lot for answer
There is no such thing as Hititte Empire.
IAmThe Attack there absolutely was
What happened to the real IAmTheAttack
Yep and water doesn't exist either. Hahahahahahahahaaa
I can Horseshit talk too mrattackdumbdumb
Hadrian was gay and he prefered his boy-lover over Sabina
Have you thought about making a special video for the Indo-Europeans of ancient Anatolia?