The Art of Being Pwned by Curtis Yarvin

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  • Опубліковано 29 жов 2024

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  • @benj8242
    @benj8242 Рік тому +117

    ''Create greatness as if your enemies do not exist at all'' - Curtis Yarvin

  • @VIsionsOfJenna
    @VIsionsOfJenna Рік тому +71

    This is probably Yarvin's best interview. Boyce is really good here at asking smart questions and keeping Yarvin on the rails.

  • @John-Brown
    @John-Brown Рік тому +82

    Benjamin, this is probably the best Curtis Yarvin interview I've seen! Yarvin has a tendency to go off on extremely obscure tangents, and you did an excellent job of gently getting him to clarify his terms and explain his historical references. Your interview game is getting very strong! If you keep this up you're going to become the Charlie Rose of our generation.

    • @nickporter574
      @nickporter574 Рік тому +6

      Minus the creepy factor and felony sexual assault(s).

    • @OrwellsHousecat
      @OrwellsHousecat Рік тому +6

      Already as good as Charlie Rose, if not better

    • @Vgallo
      @Vgallo Рік тому +22

      Not sure why people are against yarvins tangents, they’re extremely informative.

    • @BenjaminABoyce
      @BenjaminABoyce  Рік тому +10

      And fun!

    • @michaeldonoughue1690
      @michaeldonoughue1690 Рік тому +2

      @@BenjaminABoyce I live for the tangents.... I'd like to be a history/poli-sci philosopher.

  • @fauxshowyo
    @fauxshowyo Рік тому +174

    Btw Benjamin, one mark of a truly great interviewer/podcaster is how well one can handle Curtis Yarvin, and both times I think you've done an amazing job. A lot of people have tried interviewing Yarvin and just let him ramble too much but you know just when to interject, ask questions, etc. 11/10 will watch more.

    • @anonlllllll
      @anonlllllll Рік тому +4

      Is this a bot post. Lol.

    • @NinjaKittyBonks
      @NinjaKittyBonks Рік тому +6

      @@anonlllllll .... I completely agree with @fauxhowyo and I am most certainly not a... not a... not a... bot-t-t 🦾🐱🤳

    • @ravenhawk3758
      @ravenhawk3758 Рік тому +3

      I completely agree. Excellent job.

    • @mohr4less
      @mohr4less Рік тому +2

      The only way to handle Yarvin is a mute button and a historian studied enough to call him on his parade of bullsh!t.

  • @Chickidydow
    @Chickidydow Рік тому +38

    Your first interview with Moldbug was my first serious introduction to his ideas, and I've been feasting on them voraciously ever since. Glad to see him return

  • @LordBlk
    @LordBlk Рік тому +33

    Positive take. Encouraging. For a working class man like myself who often feels disregarded.
    My country of Canada is going to implode and I'd like to say so to my fellows

    • @mysteryman6918
      @mysteryman6918 Рік тому

      Unfortunately my friend you missed a key point. Implosion is not going to happen to any of us, it will be a long and slow decline

    • @LordBlk
      @LordBlk Рік тому +3

      @Mystery Man nobody really knows
      I'm going off grid anyway

    • @mysteryman6918
      @mysteryman6918 Рік тому +1

      @@LordBlk self sufficiency is always wise

    • @LordBlk
      @LordBlk Рік тому

      @Mystery Man but I would say,
      The rising interest rates, the coming wave of bankruptcy and foreclosures, the gun grab, and the disenfranchisement of many canadians, added to the severe harms the vax caused.
      We are imploding.
      But you are not wrong.
      It is meant to be a slow controlled destruction so that they have a way to build back with digital ID and currency

    • @SL-es5kb
      @SL-es5kb Рік тому +7

      Unless you manage to find a place to squat you will be subject to property tax and never off grid or independent from the machine. Even then your freedom is contingent on the grid not swallowing whatever remote location you are existing in. We need people to unplug from the limbic pull of tech and create offline community and culture that allows people to harden and raise harder more capable children. At this point we should be looking at emancipation from the global machine as a multigenerational project. Simply passing on the wisdom and values our ancestors developed that we can still access is a miracle in itself at this point.

  • @derekded
    @derekded Рік тому +16

    The intro cracked me up, thanks for the laughs and the thoughtful discussion. Another success!

  • @RoyalistKev
    @RoyalistKev Рік тому +35

    Curtis is notoriously difficult to interview and you did a fantastic job, Benjamin.

  • @Scott-qo1eq
    @Scott-qo1eq Рік тому +37

    For years I thought progressivism was extremely creepy and i secretly loathed it for reasons I couldn’t put into words until I read Dawkins got Pwned. It connected all the dots for me. It’s a brilliant essay

    • @gulanhem9495
      @gulanhem9495 Рік тому +6

      Interesting. It's so helpful to get things defined that you feel instinctively (which is how most people work psychologically, despite people claiming they base their opinions on rational thinking, facts, science etc). But what is Dawkins got Pwned?

    • @Scott-qo1eq
      @Scott-qo1eq Рік тому +8

      @@gulanhem9495 It’s basically an essay where Yarvin dissects progressivism. He bases around his thesis around Richard Dawkins (a progressive) and his atheism. His target is chosen for strategic reasons which become apparent on reading. I think it’s the best entry into Moldbug! It was a massive red pill for me.

    • @BenjaminABoyce
      @BenjaminABoyce  Рік тому +9

      Here’s the text (audio version is linked in the description): www.unqualified-reservations.org/2007/09/how-dawkins-got-pwned-part-1/

    • @gulanhem9495
      @gulanhem9495 Рік тому +1

      @@BenjaminABoyce
      Thank you Ben, but omg that is hard to read. Yarvin's writing style is really cumbersome.
      What is the short version? 😚

    • @BenjaminABoyce
      @BenjaminABoyce  Рік тому +2

      @@gulanhem9495 The audio version might be easier to ingest, linked in the description

  • @ggwo5492
    @ggwo5492 Рік тому +11

    Worlds collide- I’ve been following Benjamin since his Evergreen days, but have been slacking on my YT watching for a little while. Meanwhile, my husband watches any Curtis interviews that he can find. I was in the other room when he put this on, but recognized BB from the other room. Can’t wait to see who else you talk to that appeals to all the adults in my house.

  • @tmstani23
    @tmstani23 Рік тому +36

    The discussion about process and bosses as exception handlers is spot on. It is one of the reasons corporate jobs nowadays are so mindnumbing. You follow the process endlessly and scrape and hiss for any bit of autonomy or accomplishment. And nobody knows what's going on or for what reasons things are being done. It is awful. Here is a poem I wrote about corporate process and longings for freedom:
    Leaning in he peers
    the display gleams into retina
    his chair creaks
    as the monotone voices explicate
    lays out a ritual humility
    yet another day of focused gratitude
    then his boredom slams
    as a baseball bat crashes
    upside the head
    he is thankful
    for the leather cushioned chair
    for the conditioned mild air
    a mug of steaming cocoa beans
    his reason is now attacking
    shredding at his will
    it mocks his entitlement
    he triggers a reset
    a mental flash
    blank dissociation
    feels the leather on his thighs
    a grating continuous cycle
    needling crowd of trivialities
    the meetings, greetings, tedious needing
    his practice
    failed attempts at disabling
    his apparent entitlement
    perhaps this a superficial truth
    for in reality he drowns
    yet these intuitions nag
    clawing at the emptied mind
    looks through the window screens
    a wall of artificial snow capped terraces
    the new frosty development
    a construction tearing at the land
    yet he harbors no animosity
    this earth no longer pristine
    he watches the hard men at work
    the biting cold ignoring
    allocating deft actions
    only a glass door separates
    their labors he commiserates
    feelings of guilt misplaced
    who are they to pity
    it is he who is enslaved
    within this comfortable tomb
    the building thunderstorm
    within his chest
    drifts upward
    despite his relaxation
    what contrast this
    virtual reality
    a tug of war
    what is reality?
    that which demands reproach
    inside it all else is coached
    the creations of the mind
    floating imagination
    symbols etched in silicon
    now they grate his nerves
    there is a surge
    a collective thought emerges
    congress of warring emotion
    the cacophony quiets
    an advocate steps forth
    within this mental pantheon
    whimpers for freedom of action
    shattering the bonds of process
    a little choice today
    for a body animate
    appendages in motion
    her voice is silenced
    droned out by shrieking knaves
    a sudden wail of fear
    projections of worry
    his walls each brick shewn
    of pristine stone
    perched above
    stand his noble battlements
    standards fluttering in the frigid wind
    defending against all threats perceived
    serenity holds sway
    within a liquid bath of dismay
    he sits in tranquility
    each day.

    • @OrwellsHousecat
      @OrwellsHousecat Рік тому

      💚💚💚

    • @jimbarino2
      @jimbarino2 Рік тому +1

      Funny, it looks like a song that could be performed by Cake...

    • @tmstani23
      @tmstani23 Рік тому

      @@jimbarino2 Cool, I'll have to check them out.

  • @PMKehoe
    @PMKehoe Рік тому +9

    BB… that was excellent and expertly curated which doesn’t happen very often with a Yarvin interview; well done!

    • @BenjaminABoyce
      @BenjaminABoyce  Рік тому +6

      Glad to oblige, Patrick!

    • @jackfiercetree5205
      @jackfiercetree5205 Рік тому

      BB? I am for some reason compelled to Grab my net, throw on a designer BDSM hood and Berate a Yoohoo.

  • @clivestegosaurus4136
    @clivestegosaurus4136 Рік тому +11

    Hearing someone say that the fall of New Spain was a disaster is awesome. I have a documented Greatx4 Grandpa who fought against the liberal revolutionaries - finally someone is giving voice to his fight!

  • @OrwellsHousecat
    @OrwellsHousecat Рік тому +6

    A gem: "whenever you're looking for power look for tolerated illegality and you'll find it"

  • @DCWoodWorking
    @DCWoodWorking Рік тому +10

    Mencius Moldbug looks like my neighbor growing up who would always come over to borrow cigarettes from my mom.

  • @AL-io1bo
    @AL-io1bo Рік тому +3

    I just adore this channel. Benjamin's range of guests, topics, and master class level interviewer skills are always a worthy investment of my time and attention. Thank you, Benjamin.

  • @SlothmanTV
    @SlothmanTV Рік тому +3

    Great interview, new ground covered, old ground retreaded, like a refresher course. Also enjoyed your interview with Good ol’ boys, Ben.

  • @SydneyBristow0788
    @SydneyBristow0788 Рік тому +22

    Lol I like how he is legit just holding a mic.... 🎤 drop 😆😅🤣

    • @NorthernObserver
      @NorthernObserver Рік тому +4

      Like Oprah in the 80s.

    • @BenjaminABoyce
      @BenjaminABoyce  Рік тому +27

      And YOU get a red pill! And YOU get a red pill! And YOU get a red pill! PIIILLLLLSSSS!!!

    • @kurt.wilkinsongardendesign
      @kurt.wilkinsongardendesign Рік тому +9

      @@BenjaminABoyce if only another hour or 2. I have to say you get the best out of him having listened to every interview he has done. Your first one was one of the best too

    • @marieannwalsh662
      @marieannwalsh662 Рік тому +1

      It's so niche.

  • @daheikkinen
    @daheikkinen Рік тому +5

    Mises gave his library to my alma mater, Hillsdale. He is considered a minor deity in the economics department there.

  • @CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy
    @CaptJackAubreyOfTheRoyalNavy Рік тому +15

    Always interesting to hear Curtis think out loud.

  • @nerian777
    @nerian777 12 днів тому

    I never think, "annoying question" or "stupid question" and I never think, "that was a cringe comment". That's rare for me. Good interviewer.

  • @markayejanks
    @markayejanks Рік тому +3

    The only person on the internet for whom I don't have to increase my listening speed. Thanks for the complexity

  • @JammyTom
    @JammyTom Рік тому +1

    I once saw a comment which was visualizing Curtis in a guitar center asking for a "normal microphone". It was one of my favorite comments ever

  • @BRDGS
    @BRDGS Рік тому +5

    very interesting convo! thanks both of you

  • @apolloapostolos5127
    @apolloapostolos5127 Рік тому +7

    Lmao I had the same thought about Overton Window 😂 it’s about justifying socialized shaming.

  • @5dollarshake263
    @5dollarshake263 Рік тому +1

    Such a good chat that I never clicked on a different tab a single time.

  • @BartdeBoisblanc
    @BartdeBoisblanc Рік тому +7

    Elon Musk by charging for Blue Check Marks turned them into the Twitter version of Established Titles.

    • @OrwellsHousecat
      @OrwellsHousecat Рік тому

      👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽👍🏽💚💚💚💚

  • @perguto
    @perguto Рік тому +2

    31:09 "The whole Overton window is just a filter bubble?" - "Always has been."

  • @CS-mf5un
    @CS-mf5un Рік тому +3

    Yes! Another Yarvin episode!

  • @ravenhawk3758
    @ravenhawk3758 Рік тому +9

    Great interview. Hope to see more with Yarvin.

    • @gulanhem9495
      @gulanhem9495 Рік тому +2

      Yes, with Boyce guiding him into new exciting directions.

  • @thechainedmonkey
    @thechainedmonkey Рік тому +2

    Commenting to feed the algorithm. Nice conversation

  • @deniseb8290
    @deniseb8290 Рік тому +2

    This was THE most hilarious episode of BOR I’ve seen yet! I loved it.

  • @stacypastry2440
    @stacypastry2440 Рік тому +3

    Benjamin does the best intros, I'm referring to the talking portions while the guest doesn't know they're talking to the audience.
    The Charles in charge thing was cute but absolutely can't be used again

  • @saerain
    @saerain Рік тому +2

    Very quotable phrase by Curtis at the end, there. "Everything about the underdog mentality is meretricious and will lead you only to disaster. Simply create greatness as if your enemies do not exist at all, and they will not dare to even approach you."
    Not sure that it's very true, though. Looking at the history of Israel, seems like the dudes had their badly defended accomplishments constantly burned down by other powers until they got good at playing the underdog and being hyper-aware of enemies.

    • @BenjaminABoyce
      @BenjaminABoyce  Рік тому +3

      This blog post of his fleshes out the idea specifically regards to Israel:
      www.unqualified-reservations.org/2008/09/america-vampire-of-world-part-2/

  • @IWatchestheWatchmen
    @IWatchestheWatchmen Рік тому +3

    Lol, the connecting land acknowledgements with "Bood and Soil" nationalism was funny 🤣

  • @fauxshowyo
    @fauxshowyo Рік тому +10

    The problem with the modern monarchies as Yarvin outlines is they're all aligned and basically part of one hive mind - with very few notable exceptions like Musk. At least in medieval Europe for example the different monarchies despised each other and were constantly at war so no single one could successfully impress his world view on the entirety of Europe.

    • @ericfisher1360
      @ericfisher1360 Рік тому +2

      The problem with Yarvins outline of a modern monarchy is we already have it and its not working.

    • @ben-ow3ow
      @ben-ow3ow Рік тому

      Were medieval monarchies not more or less ideologically homogenous? More or less all Christian, more or less all feudal societies etc. Not being definitive, just a though.

  • @joshualyons4121
    @joshualyons4121 Рік тому +1

    This was so effing good. Thank you.

  • @matrix3509
    @matrix3509 Рік тому +1

    1:07:00 That's basically what made Lenin and Stalin so cynically clever. Not only were they smart enough to leverage the cultural power of the intellectual elites in Russia against the Tsar, they were also smart enough to know that as soon as they took power, those elites needed to be thoroughly liquidated and replaced by an artificial elite of their own making.

  • @jamesedwards.1069
    @jamesedwards.1069 Рік тому +2

    Regarding the Manhattan & Apollo projects, they merely brought together more or less "settled science," as it were, so to speak, and applied it to particular problems to be solved after the manner of military applicators of technology. They were not creative in the sense of being imaginative, in a broad sense. It's significant that the ability to create such things as atom bombs and moon rockets arose within free-ish civilizations, but that doesn't mean that once the technology is established and the creative part is done that totalitarian forces can't take advantage of it and even improve upon it.

    • @friendlyfire7861
      @friendlyfire7861 Рік тому +1

      They had unlimited confiscated budgets to do destructive/nearly pointless things. That's not a success. A success is something that pays for itself in definable benefits.

    • @jamesedwards.1069
      @jamesedwards.1069 Рік тому

      @@friendlyfire7861 Well, sure, the ultimate value might often be much less than the apparent success in technical achievement by comparison. Like, if I set my mind to create a balm that destroys the universe, and I "succeed." That would be an example of bad success.

  • @ArtOfTheProblem
    @ArtOfTheProblem Рік тому +1

    great job interviewing, sub'd

    • @BenjaminABoyce
      @BenjaminABoyce  Рік тому +2

      🤜🍻🤛
      Full disclosure: I interview all sorts of people.

  • @jato72
    @jato72 Рік тому +6

    Great talk. Lydia has tweeted to the world; "I am no longer engaged to Curtis Yarvin." I read her article about their relationship. Interesting.

  • @panninggazz5244
    @panninggazz5244 Рік тому +4

    Mormon face: a very healthy well bred fed! Nice!

  • @Uni85h
    @Uni85h Рік тому +3

    I use the Ron Paul Curriculum and we use a lot of pre 1922 books because they’re free. Lol

  • @danwroy
    @danwroy Рік тому +1

    Not going to blow any smoke (though it's a fine interview) but I'm impressed with the choice of picture-in-picture, that's the way to do it.

  • @Confucius_76
    @Confucius_76 Рік тому +3

    Imagine if Elon read all of Unqualified Reservations

  • @NinjaKittyBonks
    @NinjaKittyBonks Рік тому +9

    ❤me some sarcasm, so this looks fun 🐈‍⬛

  • @monsieurbojangles2336
    @monsieurbojangles2336 Рік тому +2

    Forcing a compromise where The Boyce of Reason gets a time slot on NPR in exchange for continued funding is the next move. The transition to Charlie Rose’s old set for the PBS simulcast would be seamless lol

    • @monsieurbojangles2336
      @monsieurbojangles2336 Рік тому

      Tote bag liberals don’t have built in defenses to NPR voice like conservatives do with something like Joe’s folksy diner talk.

    • @_BirdOfGoodOmen
      @_BirdOfGoodOmen Рік тому +1

      Monkey's paw: Benjamin gets the 3am slot

  • @Avengerie
    @Avengerie Рік тому +3

    Curtis is dead on when talks about liberals/Americans supporting the underdogs. I’ve been thinking about how the world lives in an American neurotic episode and how the war in Ukraine is basically the liberal reaction to the election “hacking” and the Taliban “bounty” story. The Libyan intervention was a classic revolutionary underdog story that completely disregarded any historical nuance. It’s like a young Marvel fan sitting on the floor with scissors and a newspaper and cutting out the letters to create a simple black-and-white good vs. evil narrative.

  • @plumlogan
    @plumlogan Рік тому +2

    Good shit, man - keep'em coming

  • @zerconiumdestinatus
    @zerconiumdestinatus Рік тому

    That quality that people will notice Curtis meantions at 52:00 is probably what happened at Wikileaks .

  • @____uncompetative
    @____uncompetative Рік тому +3

    Premiere may be choppy, but the video once uploaded tends to be okay.

  • @jccusell
    @jccusell Рік тому +1

    "Who sets interest rates?"
    O boy....

  • @marieannwalsh662
    @marieannwalsh662 Рік тому +2

    This guy is terrific.

  • @smfe
    @smfe Рік тому +1

    "A reliable source is a source that is reliable."

  • @OperativeKANE
    @OperativeKANE Рік тому +4

    That intro song was funny as fuck haha

  • @anonymousAJ
    @anonymousAJ Рік тому +1

    Government success in engineering is well explained by Hayek IMO - the government can direct more resources to an immediate and apparent end than any private company
    The weakness of government engineering is apparent only over time, as they fail to discover new goals worth pursuing

    • @jimbarino2
      @jimbarino2 Рік тому +2

      The best explanation I ever heard was from an economist I otherwise can't stand, Brad Delong: he said that the government can do two kinds of things better than anyone else: those in which there are no goals (basic research) and those where there is one, big, obvious goal (Manhattan project, Moon Landing) In the former, all you have to do is get smart people and give them resources. In the second, all you need is someone to organize resources - and even if there is more than one possible path, you can just fund everything and then figure out later what works (like gas duffusion to enrich uranium vs. create plutonium in reactors)
      Where it falls down is when there are multiple paths and it isn't obvious which one is the best until much later - and in many cases you don't even know what the goal should be. So politics start taking over, and every group defends it turf and there no way to cancel a project that isn't working because there often isn't an obvious indication that it has failed. That's where you need competed entities that have skin in the game that can actually go bankrupt.

  • @BlastinRope
    @BlastinRope Рік тому +2

    Everyones favorite Hogwarts Teacher

  • @adamnoble1689
    @adamnoble1689 Рік тому +1

    I never knew Yarvin was so funny. "3rd cousin gay-face" haha

  • @MathildaFlow
    @MathildaFlow Рік тому +1

    I thought the thumbnail portrayed Vin Diesel in a wig.

  • @naturalbornswabian6947
    @naturalbornswabian6947 Рік тому +1

    Wow, thats pure gold

  • @seaofseeof
    @seaofseeof Рік тому +2

    Hey Benjamin, weren't you on Bob Murphy's show? He's an Austrian School economist. Might be fun for him to return the favor and appear on your show?

  • @Vgallo
    @Vgallo Рік тому +2

    The foundational problem with hhh & his dtgtf is it’s inherently elitist, theres a lot of helpful insights but it’s biased against the lower. Class and those in poverty , it’s the same with most right wing thought really, it doesn’t acknowledge that “ pull yourself up by your bootstraps” is only relevant to those squandering their potential, it’s not helpful for those caught in the trap of poverty and are working much harder than those above them - usually against much greater odds, particularly when they have health problems they didn’t contribute to, but conservatives & hhh think it’s as simple as a lack of effort , will or poor choices, which is weird bevaise if they really wanted a meritocracy they’d remove barriers and make the marketplace of meritocratic ideas as accessible to as many as possible, especially when many are being kept out for being born into the wrong situation, it’s an inherent contradiction in their logic thats usually a consequence of being born into the privileged position they’re in - or because they won the cognitive lottery, in this sense Marx was right, much of the worlds worldview is a result of their class or situation.
    But instead of contending with or developing some self awareness - they hand wave the problem and attack anyone that points it out with “ vIcTiMhOoD - why don’t you go and cry to momma” or “ I was born into poverty and now I’m on top of the world - so if I did it everyone can”
    And it’s like lol my critique is not completely solipsistic like theirs is, but no matter what you cannot get them to see this, it’s like their whole identity is propped up by this contradiction and seeing it would cause a total collapse of their psyche!!
    and before someone calls me a libtard let me inform you I am not, I’m a former conservative/ libertarian/ monarchist whose unfortunately developed these annoying critiques of their own world view, which is just incomprehensible to all these maga normies, every time you bring it up you just get pigeon holed as a libtard.

  • @haydonhockey
    @haydonhockey Рік тому +2

    That intro was great

  • @mirisalivingstar
    @mirisalivingstar Рік тому +4

    awesome awesome awesome awesome awesome awesome awesome

  • @heyWhatWho
    @heyWhatWho Рік тому

    Wtf that Charles in Charge intro, LMAO 🤣

  • @retvrn777
    @retvrn777 Рік тому +1

    Its so funny to hear yarvin talk economics

  • @shaft9000
    @shaft9000 Рік тому

    Curtis strikes me as the type of guy to be on his 3rd or 4th copy of _Trout Mask Replica_ by now.

  • @jimmyneutron1776
    @jimmyneutron1776 Рік тому +2

    Moldbug is so insufferable. He constantly circumlocutes and uses obscure references to make basic points. Neoreactionary ideas are a great way to not engage with reality, it’s just cowardice. The best interview of Yarvin was Hyperpodcastism, and Borzoi handled Yarvin better than anyone else I’ve seen

    • @donniedewitt9878
      @donniedewitt9878 Рік тому +1

      You can’t blame him for your lack of references. Use this opportunity to read up on said references

    • @jimmyneutron1776
      @jimmyneutron1776 Рік тому

      @@donniedewitt9878 I have read a lot of obscure bullshit you missed the second part of that statement. He uses the obscure references to make really banal points. Everything he says is either common sense or an elaborate way of avoiding really simple and on the nose truths about power.

  • @nosouponhead
    @nosouponhead Рік тому +1

    I wish someone would really push back on or dig more into Yarvin's Monarchy concept. He seems to be confusing hierarchy within a company with monarchy. Monarchy is a system whose income comes from theft (taxation) and nobody can supplant a monarch by merit. The only way to supplant a monarch is through revolution, whereas in a company, people are promoted and selected to lead based on their ability.

    • @basedbuddhist
      @basedbuddhist Рік тому +1

      Yes, I've watched lots of Yarvin's interviews, and, frustratingly, never heard anyone push back on this. And it seems so obvious.

  • @Musewhisperer
    @Musewhisperer Рік тому +1

    Kind of ironic that Switzerland invented LSD as well....

  • @eliterun6214
    @eliterun6214 Рік тому +1

    Moldbug also seems to be unfamiliar with basic governance structures of corporations. Corporations are not monarchies. Corporations are distributed systems of power wherein there are oftentimes complex movements between owners, board members, and company leadership (CEO, but also the entire suite/managing directors). Corporations are like the Republic of Venice, with a Doge, but also a Great Council, a Senate, and an assembly.
    Moldbug's points around the Overton window are great and hold water, but he runs into trouble when he draws conclusions that narrow the picture.
    Moldbug correctly identifies a coalition shift that is currently happening, but fails to realize that this "Cathedral" that he refers to is something that is in constant flux. The players, the ideology, it shifts, hardens for a generation, then breaks, changes quickly, and hardens again.
    The economic advances made by non-traditional players in the media space have only showcased the flexibility of the overall system. Legacy media drifts leftward following the outrage dollars, and scores of non-traditional media spring up to fill in the reporting gap and the outrage dollars on the right. Legacy media fights for its market position, which means also fighting politically. Legacy media is happy to be centrist when the economics support it. None of this is new. Media has swayed politics in the USA at the very least since the election of Jefferson.
    Overall, Moldbug is great in identifying bias, and parts of how bias flows through the system, but is not so great at seeing the full system in its entirety. The system is not closed, is never closed, and Moldbug is a natural part of the system as a voice of discontent.

    • @basedbuddhist
      @basedbuddhist Рік тому

      Yes, re his take on corporations, I think he ran a small company at some point, and bases his take rather simplistically on that.

  • @Vgallo
    @Vgallo Рік тому

    Finally Boyce and the pvk crowd are discovering Curtis yarvin, tried to tell them 2 years ago

  • @krowochron
    @krowochron Рік тому

    And now I'm thinking about the Pinky and the Brain parody of the Third Man.

  • @Liberty-rn4wy
    @Liberty-rn4wy Рік тому

    I am a libertarian. I think the most successful engineering project of all time was the Wright Brothers' airplane. It had nothing to do with the state. The lightbulb was also not bad.

  • @shmosel_
    @shmosel_ Рік тому

    Quality has a quality of its own

  • @jobobtargaryen1258
    @jobobtargaryen1258 Рік тому

    Moldbug never dissapoints!

  • @isaacbinning7419
    @isaacbinning7419 Рік тому +1

    ben your a legend always producing the best content on youtube thank you for your great stuff much love

  • @nickn1782
    @nickn1782 Рік тому

    55:45 those who have only experienced the dismal service culture of the US can't imagine how good customer service is in Japan.

  • @tux1968
    @tux1968 9 місяців тому

    How is a corporation a monarchy? The CEO can be forced out and replaced at a moment's notice, with no family connection at all to the successor.

  • @KM-po5kk
    @KM-po5kk Рік тому +11

    There’s just something that bugs me about Yarvin. Something is not quite right, inauthentic. Like he’s spewing a bunch of garbage he really doesn’t believe and feeding it to the plebs. Sorry, don’t trust this guy at all!

    • @y2ksurvivor
      @y2ksurvivor Рік тому +4

      I concur

    • @OrwellsHousecat
      @OrwellsHousecat Рік тому

      Yup, he's feeding fish to the dolphins but he himself is a shark.

    • @gustavocvieira8584
      @gustavocvieira8584 Рік тому

      It that's the case then what do you think he's trying to achieve with that?

  • @NICHTVONBEDEUTUNG1
    @NICHTVONBEDEUTUNG1 Рік тому +1

    It would be interesting if Yarvin would write an economics book.

    • @Confucius_76
      @Confucius_76 Рік тому

      Or on anything. His blog is amazing but I'd love to see him write a book

    • @markoperica2
      @markoperica2 Рік тому

      Just read Mises.

  • @skippityblippity8656
    @skippityblippity8656 Рік тому +1

    This guy is nuts
    I agree with everything he said

  • @jeremyogrizovich3247
    @jeremyogrizovich3247 Рік тому +3

    Smartest guy on the internet, but he misses the fact that we can point to Florida. The bell of freedom is ringing in some states.

    • @kurt.wilkinsongardendesign
      @kurt.wilkinsongardendesign Рік тому +5

      Lol, you are trolling!

    • @markn866
      @markn866 Рік тому

      Florida seems free on the surface but DeSantis still wields power in vindictive ways. You don't use the power of the state to punish companies for acting with the "wrong" politics. That is tyrannical and you would absolutely call it out if it was the Newsom against current Warner-Discovery with their new executive.

  • @StephenDTrain
    @StephenDTrain Рік тому +1

    "with the blue pill, you can really do your best." :)

  • @RupertMcGruber
    @RupertMcGruber Рік тому

    Great stuff :)

  • @haraldwolte3745
    @haraldwolte3745 Рік тому +4

    Isn't it a contradiction in Curtis worldview when he says the New York times is a monarchy, but then later says that the New York times is the Ministry of Truth for the US Govt?

    • @distributistsshrekvideo
      @distributistsshrekvideo Рік тому

      its the most powerful organ, as the ministry of truth is. I dont think he says its a monarchy. It can still be acting on behalf of another party.

    • @haraldwolte3745
      @haraldwolte3745 Рік тому +3

      @@distributistsshrekvideo he did say it was effectively a hereditary monarchy

    • @distributistsshrekvideo
      @distributistsshrekvideo Рік тому +2

      @@haraldwolte3745 in the sense that it is transmitted, more than in the sense of being the one ruling

    • @thomdrolet2624
      @thomdrolet2624 Рік тому +5

      No, think of it like a European monarch that is still a vassal of the Pope.

    • @_BirdOfGoodOmen
      @_BirdOfGoodOmen Рік тому

      @@distributistsshrekvideo yo when you getting uploaded to Dave's channel?

  • @helenablavatsky9136
    @helenablavatsky9136 Рік тому +2

    Big Brother was watching this one. Lol.

  • @zwatwashdc
    @zwatwashdc Рік тому +1

    Wow, how convoluted can a description of the yield curve get? How about, normally the longer you agree to lock your money up, the higher interest rate you get. This is a normal yield curve. The curve is ‘inverted’ when you get a higher interest rate for shorter terms, signaling near term pain.

  • @Acujeremy
    @Acujeremy Рік тому

    I love how Mencius Moldbug rips on the Conservatives who are so convinced they are these brilliant rebels of The State.

  • @LoneWolfDion
    @LoneWolfDion Рік тому +1

    Hands up who else was wiping their laptop screen whe watching this?

  • @konberner170
    @konberner170 Рік тому +1

    Curtis first says that the key feature of monarchy is that the king cares because it is his family, then he tries to define corporations as monarchies. The confusion goes deep. Corporations are not monarchies and the board of directors not only can, but often do, kick the king out by a vote, and then replace them with someone else. Corporations are more like democracies, where the shareholders vote for the board members, and the board members vote for the CEO (king). So this libertarian has made a much better point than the false claim that libertarians claim that government can never get anything done. The claim is, along the lines of Mises, that the price signals of a free market will usually do a _better job_ of efficiently getting things done than structures that break this signal such as large state bureaucracy .
    Having said this and as a fan of Mises, the term Curtis may be looking for is a hierarchy rather than any kind of flat democracy is what makes things work. In turn, read the founding fathers who knew all of this and used federalism and separation of powers as ONE possible try at solving these very real problems (who watches the watchers). Then they said that they had no real confidence it would last. What they know didn't last was the monarchy that they didn't want anymore.
    In sum, yes, hierarchies of competence are necessary to get things done. Collectivism can never be efficient. And the basic notion of having a sort of CEO running a country is not unreasonable as no org works well trying to be run by committee. But, in any case Curtis, monarchy is not the right notion to even make your own, generally excellent, points.

    • @konberner170
      @konberner170 Рік тому

      Of course chaebols, Walmart, Walton, Chanel, and several other similar orgs prove that a family-run/monarchic approach can indeed work. But not true that most products that are purchased are here due to family-run monarchic corps.

    • @konberner170
      @konberner170 Рік тому

      @@del46_60 Nope. There are 8 people on Facebook's board of directors. This notion of weak and strong monarch is not consist with Curtis' own definition, which is absolute power. A sole proprietorship can have absolute power, but partnerships and corporations can't and so don't fit his definition. He is just wrong here. He fell in love with Hoppe thinking he is somehow the end of the chain of Austrian Economics while forgetting that Mises was a minarchist... and for good reason.

    • @konberner170
      @konberner170 Рік тому

      @@del46_60 It is true that if, and only if, a person owns over 50% of the voting shares that they would be equivalent to a sole proprietor. In any case, Curtis was wrong about the vast majority of corporations as the entire point of them is to split power among many people and allow for both silent and direct participation in the entity.

    • @konberner170
      @konberner170 Рік тому

      @@del46_60 He said a monarch must have absolute power in this very upload. Listen again.

    • @konberner170
      @konberner170 Рік тому

      @@del46_60 So your response to the fact that the vast majority of corporations work more like a representative democracy than a monarchy, while Curtis routinely uses corporations (as did Hoppe) to point out the power of monarchy and the weakness of democracy is for me to do the legwork... If Curtis means what you say above he should say what you say above rather than keeping promoting his confused and false narrative.

  • @roscoep.soletrane1584
    @roscoep.soletrane1584 Рік тому +1

    When’s the Dregs of Humanity reunion?

  • @MaterialSquid
    @MaterialSquid Рік тому +1

    brilliant intro

  • @StruggleoftheOutsider
    @StruggleoftheOutsider Рік тому

    Rad Session. 😎

  • @ZedofZardoz
    @ZedofZardoz Рік тому

    If you saw the "Tom Hanks is a grouchy old man who falls in love with a cat" trailer before this video, do yourself a favor and just watch "About Schmidt"

  • @rexsarmatiae7897
    @rexsarmatiae7897 Рік тому +3

    This is Curtis Yarvin’s best ever interview

  • @davejoe75
    @davejoe75 Рік тому

    Manhattan and Apollo Projects were completed with success, but who says those projects couldn't be done more efficiently with less funds (or were needed at all.). How does that mess up libertarians' minds?

  • @rasheedlewis1
    @rasheedlewis1 Рік тому +1

    Gosh it’s hard to watch interviews in this channel because the guy on the right creeps me out

  • @1ron1van
    @1ron1van Рік тому +1

    I really enjoyed that - found myself laughing along with you guys a bunch of times :D

  • @TessaTickle
    @TessaTickle Рік тому

    Why am I reminded of Peter Thiel?