Hy John, this pads will work good with Makita po5000c? Y will use Sonax Perfect Finish and Sonax Cut&Finish. Y try to buy some pads, Koch Chemie and Rupes are viable option here in Romania, I find 5inch and 3 inch easy. Koch Chemie will be a little more expensive... but not deal breaker....if they are better than others. Y will start with this combo and later on with experience will explore more...😄 It's a little expensive when you're just starting..... Your channel helped me allot, and gived me confidence that y can do it myself, maybe as a professional later on..... Thank allot!
Use Protector Wax in the snow foam Lance :) then you will get the best result. It makes a thick layer of foam that clinge to the surface for a long time and give mor or less 3 months of protection here in Norway.
You should try PW in the foam Canon! Freaking genius! Spray on rins off. Works about 3 months up in Norway. In the summer. Winter about maybe 1. But dirt cheap and Works great!
I love your content. I like how you break down cost and then talk about the products and some of the unique things about each item. Unfortunately, Koch is not available in Canada. Good thing I say, I can’t sneak anymore products into the garage without my wife finding them. 🤦♂️🤦♂️ Tell next time , cheers Jon. (You look in good spirits too! )
Their compounds probably are the best out there. Their H8.02 I used and honestly the paintwork had so much gloss after use that there was very little improvement after using a finishing polish.
H9 is awesome, best cut compound I've used so far John , knocks out swirls and scratches , along with a rupes blue wool pad, on hard audi paint , using it at the moment 😀
Love these new product videos. I’m personally a big fan of the Koch Chemie product range and I used the H8 on my Merc which has a ceramic clearcoat which is as hard as nails. The H8 was the only thing that came close also along with Rupes UHS polish and pads. The shampoo/soap I’m now using is the Koch Nano shampoo which I have to say is the absolute business. By far the best shampoo I’ve used and it can also be used in a snow foam cannon with great effect. The water beading and water displacement after washing is fantastic. As I say, I’m totally sold on the Koch Chemie range and it’s fantastic value. I’m going to buy the Pw protector wax for sure as if it’s as good as Gyeon wet coat then it’s bound to be better value. 👍🏼
Hi mate, how's it going? It's really hard finding some english speaking reviews for Koch Chemie products, and here in Brazil they are very expensive (at least twice the price compared to any other brand, like Meguiars, for example), so can you tell me, for your perspective, if they really are that good? We have some really nice products here too, but it is hard to know if those Koch Chemie products worth all that money. If they were the most expensive products in your country, would you still buy it? Thanks!
Thiago Garcia Hi there, it’s a shame that Koch Chemie are so expensive in Brazil. To answer your question, there are of cause more products out there that do the same job but for me the polishes, APC and shampoos are superb. A little goes a long way so it might be worth it but all depends on what other products are available.
We have most of them products here, but I was actually looking for products like leather and external plastic care. Do you use this kind of product? Btw, thanks for answering my question!
Morning sir! Protector Wax I bought last year as a winter "sacrificial lsp". Have some experience with it. Cost effective - extreme. You can put it in regular spray bottle, mix 1:100 with water as a protection, dilute further as drying aid. This is a kind of product you were calling polymer bomb. There is a funny "white water thing" when you rinse it off. It gives shine! Measure it not on application but few hours later thou - my impression is the shine increases. Some polymer products does that. Type of look - plasticky one, but nice. Very curious of your test! Ah. It is nothing like slick in touch. Beads water well. Can say how long it lasts, but easily two weeks in full winter, between washes, then I was reapplying.
I just used Koch Chemie for the 1st time on 17 year old Subaru paint. I used the fine cut and micro and results were incredible. I am interested in the all in one product and would love to see a review on it. As always, great video!
I am very happy with this product range. Only last week I used the F6 on my car . Next up I will be using the H9 and M3 doing some corrections on my wife car on my wife’s car.
Great video and some cracking products. Green star is a game changer for me. Found a new use for it this week. Neighbours sing was blocked. GS 1:20 broke down the grease an soap scum a treat.
Jon, how about M3.02 on mid-stiff pads? How much cut and finish is in this product? I like Protector Wax. This is extremely cheap and adds shine. Make sure you measure after it bonds and nets. One thing it can not do is sleek feel. It is grabby. There are also more potent products that will last longer but this one is fool proof, you can put as much as you like on the paint and never will get a streak.
the abrasives are superb. and so are those pads. the price was a problem for me intiially. but now they are available for amazing price. check the pads out if you have no done so.
@@ForensicDetailing. I've never tried the pads, only the heavy cut and the fine polish... this has been about 6-8 months ago and not only was it hard to get but it was pricey. I will for sure try some of their pads but I'm not too into da polishers so now sure how they will act with a small backing plate on my bigger rotary. Either way they are top notch and will always have my vote! 💪
@@paulhamilton6013. I love angelwax products too... I think either this product for menzerna 3800 is my favorite to jewel with. However I would never leave out angelwax! Just depends on the car and the person. I don't use a DA much so I get really good results with a big pad on my rotary with 3800.
Great video jon.i use Koch green Star in a spear and Jackson 5liter pump sprayer.500ml--5 liters of water.i cover my car in it before I cover it in snow foam.
Zain K can’t beat bilt hamber surfex hd for that, it is a lot better than the greenstar and bought in 5 ltrs at around £17 is also unbelievable value, I listened to Jon and bought both and as shown on johns video shootout really is amazing ! The best out there, btw, it’s just another stage of prep before snowfoaming I gather the poster meant
@@nationstates7699 might get some surfex then 👍. I've been using BH auto wash in a spray bottle as a way of lubrication when hand washing and using a brush
Hi big fan. Got a question: Got a Mercedes 2017 E 300 coupe got very thin swirl marks on it and it is only visable in certain angle on sunlight. So I will do polishing and ceramic coating. I want to use Koch Chemie products. Can I use M2.01 followed by P1.01 then IPA then coat??
I'm from Wales, and speak the language fluently. I would love to tell you what we "informally" call a cotchan ( pronounced exactly as the tool) Great content, thanks 👍
we use nearly the full range of Koch at our work, great products and the range is huge. For nearly every job we use a Koch product. If you want any info on them just shout
@@ForensicDetailing I use nearly everything if i had to pick one it would the glass cleaner, i was really shocked by how good it was compared to all the others i have used. Gs.....for just about evrything Mzr for fabrics and carpets Po... for leather and fabrics SO.01 spray wax Fse and Qf as quick detailers Glass Cleaner.... Vb as a prewash ...bird droppings bugs etc Fk acid wheel cleaner Pss for exterior trims ....another favourite Tea tar removal Sil IPA wipe and wax remover Pw protector Wax, customers love it Gkv tyre dressing Aw active shampoo Takes a while to get used to all the names tho........
Hi mate, how's it going? It's really hard finding some english speaking reviews for Koch Chemie products, and here in Brazil they are very expensive (at least twice the price compared to any other brand, like Meguiars, for example), so can you tell me, for your perspective, if they really are that good? We have some really nice products here too, but it is hard to know if those Koch Chemie products worth all that money. If they were the most expensive products in your country, would you still buy it? Thanks!
*I NEED HELP! IM A NEWBIE, I BOUGHT SOME HEAVY CLAYBAR/LUBRICANT AND THE KOCH M302. I NEED THE PAD TO BUY, WHAT AM I MISSING?* THE CAR IS OLD NOT WASHED IN 3 YEARS
How do you find the Koch pads on forced rotation DA’s like the Flex XCE cordless? That’s what I’m using as a main machine (with the PXE 80 as my smaller one) and was thinking of switching my worn Flex pads to Koch, especially as I’m now finding some of the Flex pads difficult to get hold of and my current ones breaking apart.
the red backing hard cutting koch pad is very stiff but its very nice quality. I still think the flex purples last longer though. I use flex. If you go to the koch you can do most normal polishing with H8/9 and the yellow pads though (yellow backed). It really is personal choice this its like trying to compare 2 tyres..
@@ForensicDetailing Thank you for the feedback on them, appreciate it. I think I’ll give them a go then with the bigger machine and see how I get on. Got some of the Koch One Cut & Finish pads for both machines and corresponding compound arriving tomorrow, can’t wait to give them a go on my next job.
ive got a video like that filmed somewhere andre I just need to chop them togther.. there are some subtle differences but either one works for me. H8 is a big cheaper but I think H9 is using like new tech.
F5 you mean right. Its great. single stage or cutting on soft paint or plastic bumpers etc.. you are spoilt for choice with abrasives but these are the ones I would pick out of everything Ive seen so far. Mainly because I understand them best. Ill be doing lots of comparisons on abrasives soon. they are just time consuming to shoot though.
@@ForensicDetailing isn't h9 a more abrasive compound then H8.02?. Andrea from my personal experience I have to say H8.02 is really good. The paintwork on my car came up so well and glossy that a finishing polish added a very small amount of gloss
Brilliant videos !!! i'm a mobile smart repair guy in the uk and i own a black VW golf Mk'7 id like to use a different type of polish than my usual 3M perfect it green, yellow and blue. I use this on the van for fresh clear coat. what would you personally recommend for me on my golf black Lc9x code its a 2014 car has been a bit neglected over the last couple of years looking for cutting compound and de swirling compound? and heads? if you can help that would be brilliant !! , Also does a da polisher make a lot of difference to the finishing stage as i've only ever used a standard rotary mop myself :) stay safe ! regards Dom .
hey Dom, So you could replace the 3m green yellow and blue or fast cut and perfect it combo with H9 F6 and M3. You can still use those 3m abrasives to the same effect though they are decent enough. DA will help reduce machine marring, and help reduce over heating the paintwork and buffer trails. I think you will prefer the koch abrasives personally to 3m
Am I right in thinking M2.01 has been replaced? Possibly by the M3.02? Looking to get a good finishing product to apply after using H8.02. Any info would be great!
Forensic Detailing Channel thank you for the advice I’ll take it on board! Trying to really get some good knowledge of the trade as I’m wanting to start my own detailing business in the near future.
either Tundra. if you are looking for just gloss then use a finishing polish. F6 and PF will deliver a decent amount of cut to remove fine swirls. An out and out finishing polish like M3 will just gloss up the paint.
i plan to get some of the angelwax si02 1 stage abrasive andy.. but im at that stage on the channel now where Ive compared so many heavy cut compounds it just doesnt add any value or its actually counter productive to keep talking about more. you will heard lots of people packing lots of different abrasives, and I sort of understand why it can be handy to have options. but its very rare in fact Ive never had to stop using H8 because its not working.. if its not working then its something Im doing wrong, not the abrasive.
Forensic Detailing Channel thanks again John for your input always appreciated I just didn’t know if you ever used it ? To be fair I do love the h8 and m3 combo another of your recommendation lol Will look forward to the next video Quick question on your patron page which tier is the best value tier 3 ?? Thanks again
Hi Jon, have you tried many pump sprayers for foam application? Living in London and car being roadside makes a pressure washer out of the question. Cheers Steve
pump foamer I have the IK foamer I really like it. I tried the round one the other day polish one cant remember the name (mepho? M something) paul dolden had them on his channel. this was cool as well nice and beefy and solid.
Forensic Detailing Channel thanks Jon, my girlfriend bought the Gloria FM10 for me and some Bilt Hamber auto foam, haven’t tried it yet but will report back 🤓🙏😇 keep up the great work, best channel out there 😎
Koch chemie h8 is shit compared to cartech green top, but I use a rotary bare in mind cartech and menzerna are always going to do well when it comes to cutting compound, Koch chemie is more for detailing not if you want flat clear coat so there’s no orange peel, very good vid 👍
hmm bit open ended this.. but typically if your not having to dig out heavy swirls F6 and soft pad would be good. Although a mid range pad. like the koch Yellow would yield more cut. Works great on a flex purple as well.
Forensic Detailing Channel it’s just confusing tbh seen people using m3 with the rupes yellow not sure if I should use m3 with yellow or white after h9 with flex purple
Hi mate, how's it going? It's really hard finding some english speaking reviews for Koch Chemie products, and here in Brazil they are very expensive (at least twice the price compared to any other brand, like Meguiars, for example), so can you tell me, for your perspective, if they really are that good? We have some really nice products here too, but it is hard to know if those Koch Chemie products worth all that money. If they were the most expensive products in your country, would you still buy it? Thanks!
If you are looking to do a spray and rinse comparison, it might be worth sticking some carbon collective hybrid in the mix to test that as it seems super popular and works well :)
I cant mate. Ive started testing them a few months back.. there are millions on the market.. literally millions. ive got like 8-9 in the test from all sorts of different flavours of brands. but I do listen to comments like this jack they are important. and like I make little notes so if I ever do a follow up i try and stick the products in people ask about.. I have follow up silica spray ones I am doing now where the line ups are things people asked for after doing the first one.. so cheers my friend appreciate it.
no Koch chemie is. I binned my M205 and M105. But only because it was old and I was never gonna finish it off. Mirror glaze abrasives are superb. In terms of compound I think the meguiars one was the only one which could match the gloss levels of H8 in my compound test. but H8 is less prone to dusting... I have way way way too many abrasives. all I need is H8 f5 m2 nothing else period. But someone else could say the same about another trio. theres some really good ones out there. best thing to do is just pick one and like use it untill its all gone AJ :)
I think we all know that feeling of having to many products, but yours must be absolutely terrible. How about doing an up to date video about your favourite compound or finishing polish or even a combo as they are the same manufacturer, i'm sure the last video you did like this Scholl products S3 S20 and S40 were your favourites. Cheers ;)
potentially but its not suitable really.. or I would say start with F6 and yellow. If you want to step up. Go H9 and yellow. If you really need to step up wit hH9 and red then its prolly not suitable for single stage... dunno
think of P3 as like M3 with wax. so you could use it to finish out H9. Or you could use it on its own. But you would not use it if you were prepping for ceramic coating because of the wax.
Forensic Detailing Channel right i see! So with a ceramic coating best use H9 then M3 and finish with ceramic coating to seal it but if no ceramic coating is applied best to use H9 and P3 if 2 step polish... what about a 1 step polish with a good micro cratching remove and a sealant what would you recommend? Or is just the F6 as a 1 step good enough without a sealant or whatever...?
totally agree. when a credible rival sells euro made pads for 7 quid for 125ml (rupes) and your selling euromade pads for 13-14 quid. Its a very very hard sell and you wont temp 90% of the market to even try them. And you loose money long run by over pricing them. its the same with flex pads. Ive tried to feed this back polietly.
Hi John, I like your videos a lot. But please go in translate and see how to pronounce the German Koch. In General, when translate, you never translate names. Like when I go in Germany, they pronouns croissant as in french. I myself am Bulgarian. I speak English, German, Swedish and Russian. Otherwise, keep going. Good stuff !!
yer I they are slotted in.. so like the protector wax will get test properly for the spray and rinse.. GSF will go in the next snow foam shootout. etc.. best way to learn about them beyond just using them is to compare them with other offerings. thats the name of the game and that what FDC was really the first channel to do on YT.
@@ForensicDetailing mate. I would like to do 1 step correction on kia metalic paint. few little stretches nothing deep. I have koch chemie range pads and compounds H8 f6. I will use DA polisher. What would you recommend from these koch products?
@@jaykish2 yes mate get the yellow pads from clean and shiny they are 7 quid not 14 quid. and hit it with F6. that combo is sweet. The koch pads are superb.
Pad prices are actually now around 7.50... Significantly lower then when this video was shot.
Hy John, this pads will work good with Makita po5000c? Y will use Sonax Perfect Finish and Sonax Cut&Finish. Y try to buy some pads, Koch Chemie and Rupes are viable option here in Romania, I find 5inch and 3 inch easy. Koch Chemie will be a little more expensive... but not deal breaker....if they are better than others. Y will start with this combo and later on with experience will explore more...😄 It's a little expensive when you're just starting..... Your channel helped me allot, and gived me confidence that y can do it myself, maybe as a professional later on..... Thank allot!
Use Protector Wax in the snow foam Lance :) then you will get the best result. It makes a thick layer of foam that clinge to the surface for a long time and give mor or less 3 months of protection here in Norway.
You should try PW in the foam Canon! Freaking genius! Spray on rins off. Works about 3 months up in Norway. In the summer. Winter about maybe 1. But dirt cheap and Works great!
Used the koch fse after seeing your review great product makes cleaning so much easier no more water spots and great value
I love your content. I like how you break down cost and then talk about the products and some of the unique things about each item. Unfortunately, Koch is not available in Canada. Good thing I say, I can’t sneak anymore products into the garage without my wife finding them. 🤦♂️🤦♂️ Tell next time , cheers Jon. (You look in good spirits too! )
wayne your such a great guy, thank you.
Their compounds probably are the best out there. Their H8.02 I used and honestly the paintwork had so much gloss after use that there was very little improvement after using a finishing polish.
H9 is awesome, best cut compound I've used so far John , knocks out swirls and scratches , along with a rupes blue wool pad, on hard audi paint , using it at the moment 😀
Love these new product videos. I’m personally a big fan of the Koch Chemie product range and I used the H8 on my Merc which has a ceramic clearcoat which is as hard as nails. The H8 was the only thing that came close also along with Rupes UHS polish and pads. The shampoo/soap I’m now using is the Koch Nano shampoo which I have to say is the absolute business. By far the best shampoo I’ve used and it can also be used in a snow foam cannon with great effect. The water beading and water displacement after washing is fantastic. As I say, I’m totally sold on the Koch Chemie range and it’s fantastic value. I’m going to buy the Pw protector wax for sure as if it’s as good as Gyeon wet coat then it’s bound to be better value. 👍🏼
Hi mate, how's it going? It's really hard finding some english speaking reviews for Koch Chemie products, and here in Brazil they are very expensive (at least twice the price compared to any other brand, like Meguiars, for example), so can you tell me, for your perspective, if they really are that good? We have some really nice products here too, but it is hard to know if those Koch Chemie products worth all that money. If they were the most expensive products in your country, would you still buy it? Thanks!
Thiago Garcia Hi there, it’s a shame that Koch Chemie are so expensive in Brazil. To answer your question, there are of cause more products out there that do the same job but for me the polishes, APC and shampoos are superb. A little goes a long way so it might be worth it but all depends on what other products are available.
We have most of them products here, but I was actually looking for products like leather and external plastic care. Do you use this kind of product? Btw, thanks for answering my question!
Thiago Garcia Try Colourlock Leather products and Carpro Perl for exterior plastics.
Those we don't have here in Brazil 😂
Morning sir! Protector Wax I bought last year as a winter "sacrificial lsp". Have some experience with it. Cost effective - extreme. You can put it in regular spray bottle, mix 1:100 with water as a protection, dilute further as drying aid. This is a kind of product you were calling polymer bomb. There is a funny "white water thing" when you rinse it off. It gives shine! Measure it not on application but few hours later thou - my impression is the shine increases. Some polymer products does that. Type of look - plasticky one, but nice. Very curious of your test! Ah. It is nothing like slick in touch. Beads water well. Can say how long it lasts, but easily two weeks in full winter, between washes, then I was reapplying.
I just used Koch Chemie for the 1st time on 17 year old Subaru paint. I used the fine cut and micro and results were incredible. I am interested in the all in one product and would love to see a review on it. As always, great video!
I am very happy with this product range. Only last week I used the F6 on my car . Next up I will be using the H9 and M3 doing some corrections on my wife car on my wife’s car.
Great video and some cracking products. Green star is a game changer for me. Found a new use for it this week. Neighbours sing was blocked. GS 1:20 broke down the grease an soap scum a treat.
Another great video, add Nanolex WashCoat to the spray and rinse product shoot-out. Superb product!
Jon, how about M3.02 on mid-stiff pads? How much cut and finish is in this product?
I like Protector Wax. This is extremely cheap and adds shine. Make sure you measure after it bonds and nets. One thing it can not do is sleek feel. It is grabby. There are also more potent products that will last longer but this one is fool proof, you can put as much as you like on the paint and never will get a streak.
Some of if not the best products I've used! That fine polish is a hell of a jeweling juice!
the abrasives are superb. and so are those pads. the price was a problem for me intiially. but now they are available for amazing price. check the pads out if you have no done so.
@@ForensicDetailing. I've never tried the pads, only the heavy cut and the fine polish... this has been about 6-8 months ago and not only was it hard to get but it was pricey. I will for sure try some of their pads but I'm not too into da polishers so now sure how they will act with a small backing plate on my bigger rotary. Either way they are top notch and will always have my vote! 💪
@@carbonconnection2480 I use Angelwax perfect finish to jewel with, a lot cheaper and cleans ready for wax
@@paulhamilton6013. I love angelwax products too... I think either this product for menzerna 3800 is my favorite to jewel with. However I would never leave out angelwax! Just depends on the car and the person. I don't use a DA much so I get really good results with a big pad on my rotary with 3800.
@@carbonconnection2480 I use a DA for sanding :) Perfect polish is great on the scholls waffle pad, best thing about it is its cheap
That Saturday FD fix!
Great video jon.i use Koch green Star in a spear and Jackson 5liter pump sprayer.500ml--5 liters of water.i cover my car in it before I cover it in snow foam.
What benefits do you get doing that? Just curious as I might get greenstar as my first degreaser 😊
Zain K can’t beat bilt hamber surfex hd for that, it is a lot better than the greenstar and bought in 5 ltrs at around £17 is also unbelievable value, I listened to Jon and bought both and as shown on johns video shootout really is amazing ! The best out there, btw, it’s just another stage of prep before snowfoaming I gather the poster meant
@@nationstates7699 might get some surfex then 👍. I've been using BH auto wash in a spray bottle as a way of lubrication when hand washing and using a brush
Hi big fan. Got a question: Got a Mercedes 2017 E 300 coupe got very thin swirl marks on it and it is only visable in certain angle on sunlight. So I will do polishing and ceramic coating. I want to use Koch Chemie products. Can I use M2.01 followed by P1.01 then IPA then coat??
Great video!
Koch Chemie Gsf is made for use on cars who have Carnauba wax on their cars in summer season with little dirt on their car.
I'm from Wales, and speak the language fluently.
I would love to tell you what we "informally" call a cotchan ( pronounced exactly as the tool)
Great content, thanks 👍
Like always great video
How do you compare this product with menzerna
As a beginner which product would you recommend
Menz is good a bit cheaper. But I prefer Koch.
we use nearly the full range of Koch at our work, great products and the range is huge. For nearly every job we use a Koch product. If you want any info on them just shout
awesome paul what are your favorite products beyond the abrasives.
@@ForensicDetailing
I use nearly everything
if i had to pick one it would the glass cleaner, i was really shocked by how good it was compared to all the others i have used.
Gs.....for just about evrything
Mzr for fabrics and carpets
Po... for leather and fabrics
SO.01 spray wax
Fse and Qf as quick detailers
Glass Cleaner....
Vb as a prewash ...bird droppings bugs etc
Fk acid wheel cleaner
Pss for exterior trims ....another favourite
Tea tar removal
Sil IPA wipe and wax remover
Pw protector Wax, customers love it
Gkv tyre dressing
Aw active shampoo
Takes a while to get used to all the names tho........
@@paulhamilton6013 thanks paul appreciate it mate.
@@paulhamilton6013 +1 for sure on the glass cleaner
Hi mate, how's it going? It's really hard finding some english speaking reviews for Koch Chemie products, and here in Brazil they are very expensive (at least twice the price compared to any other brand, like Meguiars, for example), so can you tell me, for your perspective, if they really are that good? We have some really nice products here too, but it is hard to know if those Koch Chemie products worth all that money. If they were the most expensive products in your country, would you still buy it? Thanks!
Which is better Koch Chemie products or Sonax Products? Thank you
PW also claims to have filling properties which will build up after each use 🤙🏼
Jack Marlborough what is PW ?
Protector wax?
hakman239 yes mate
*I NEED HELP! IM A NEWBIE, I BOUGHT SOME HEAVY CLAYBAR/LUBRICANT AND THE KOCH M302. I NEED THE PAD TO BUY, WHAT AM I MISSING?* THE CAR IS OLD NOT WASHED IN 3 YEARS
Try KKD PurityX John strongest chemistry available at the moment
What do you mean strongest a coating would last lot longer
How do you find the Koch pads on forced rotation DA’s like the Flex XCE cordless? That’s what I’m using as a main machine (with the PXE 80 as my smaller one) and was thinking of switching my worn Flex pads to Koch, especially as I’m now finding some of the Flex pads difficult to get hold of and my current ones breaking apart.
the red backing hard cutting koch pad is very stiff but its very nice quality. I still think the flex purples last longer though. I use flex. If you go to the koch you can do most normal polishing with H8/9 and the yellow pads though (yellow backed). It really is personal choice this its like trying to compare 2 tyres..
@@ForensicDetailing Thank you for the feedback on them, appreciate it. I think I’ll give them a go then with the bigger machine and see how I get on. Got some of the Koch One Cut & Finish pads for both machines and corresponding compound arriving tomorrow, can’t wait to give them a go on my next job.
Yesss really looking forward to the spray and rinse comparison, been eying all of them and just dont know which one to buy. Leaning towards bead maker
So many better options than the over-hyped bead maker. Look at Carpro HydrO2 as a comparison.
Beadmaker isn't spray and rinse.
question is, can H9 give you the cut your looking for on heavily oxidized paint with lots of swirls and scratches?
Allright. M3.02 vs m2.01 as a jeweling product. How far the finish can be compared? Can new m3.02 fininsh the same as antihollogram?
M3 has more cut but same gloss
I was waiting for this review... 😏😏
Can you do a comparo with H8.02 vs H9.01 and so on ?
ive got a video like that filmed somewhere andre I just need to chop them togther.. there are some subtle differences but either one works for me. H8 is a big cheaper but I think H9 is using like new tech.
@@ForensicDetailing Here H8 isn't that much cheaper :( so better go with H9 ... what do you think about the old H5 ?
F5 you mean right. Its great. single stage or cutting on soft paint or plastic bumpers etc.. you are spoilt for choice with abrasives but these are the ones I would pick out of everything Ive seen so far. Mainly because I understand them best. Ill be doing lots of comparisons on abrasives soon. they are just time consuming to shoot though.
@@ForensicDetailing Yeah I've found that Koch chemie compunds are crazy good 😍
@@ForensicDetailing isn't h9 a more abrasive compound then H8.02?. Andrea from my personal experience I have to say H8.02 is really good. The paintwork on my car came up so well and glossy that a finishing polish added a very small amount of gloss
Would love for them to distribute to the states
Try the Autobrite Direct Sonic Sp-Rin-Ts, it’s a great spray on rinse off product although it’s a bit pricey
Brilliant videos !!! i'm a mobile smart repair guy in the uk and i own a black VW golf Mk'7 id like to use a different type of polish than my usual 3M perfect it green, yellow and blue. I use this on the van for fresh clear coat. what would you personally recommend for me on my golf black Lc9x code its a 2014 car has been a bit neglected over the last couple of years looking for cutting compound and de swirling compound? and heads? if you can help that would be brilliant !! , Also does a da polisher make a lot of difference to the finishing stage as i've only ever used a standard rotary mop myself :) stay safe ! regards Dom .
hey Dom, So you could replace the 3m green yellow and blue or fast cut and perfect it combo with H9 F6 and M3. You can still use those 3m abrasives to the same effect though they are decent enough. DA will help reduce machine marring, and help reduce over heating the paintwork and buffer trails. I think you will prefer the koch abrasives personally to 3m
Is h8 or h9 better can’t decide which on to order
Am I right in thinking M2.01 has been replaced? Possibly by the M3.02? Looking to get a good finishing product to apply after using H8.02. Any info would be great!
both products are still available. Go with M3 now. Newer abrasive tech. And when your H8 runs out use H9.
Forensic Detailing Channel thank you for the advice I’ll take it on board! Trying to really get some good knowledge of the trade as I’m wanting to start my own detailing business in the near future.
Would I use F6 or Sonax perfect finish on a soft clear coat for on a Toyota Tundra? It has good paint, just want to give it some gloss. Thx
either Tundra. if you are looking for just gloss then use a finishing polish. F6 and PF will deliver a decent amount of cut to remove fine swirls. An out and out finishing polish like M3 will just gloss up the paint.
Forensic Detailing Channel okay, but are you a fan of Sonax? And where does Sonax compare to the Koch Chemie line? Thx
No on the Sonax then?
Hi John I like using h8 but was wandering have you tested or used Angelwax resurrection ??
Would like your thoughts
Thanks love your channel
i plan to get some of the angelwax si02 1 stage abrasive andy.. but im at that stage on the channel now where Ive compared so many heavy cut compounds it just doesnt add any value or its actually counter productive to keep talking about more.
you will heard lots of people packing lots of different abrasives, and I sort of understand why it can be handy to have options. but its very rare in fact Ive never had to stop using H8 because its not working.. if its not working then its something Im doing wrong, not the abrasive.
Forensic Detailing Channel thanks again John for your input always appreciated I just didn’t know if you ever used it ?
To be fair I do love the h8 and m3 combo another of your recommendation lol
Will look forward to the next video
Quick question on your patron page which tier is the best value tier 3 ??
Thanks again
Hi Jon, have you tried many pump sprayers for foam application? Living in London and car being roadside makes a pressure washer out of the question. Cheers Steve
pump foamer I have the IK foamer I really like it. I tried the round one the other day polish one cant remember the name (mepho? M something) paul dolden had them on his channel. this was cool as well nice and beefy and solid.
Forensic Detailing Channel thanks Jon, my girlfriend bought the Gloria FM10 for me and some Bilt Hamber auto foam, haven’t tried it yet but will report back 🤓🙏😇 keep up the great work, best channel out there 😎
Koch chemie h8 is shit compared to cartech green top, but I use a rotary bare in mind cartech and menzerna are always going to do well when it comes to cutting compound, Koch chemie is more for detailing not if you want flat clear coat so there’s no orange peel, very good vid 👍
What is your recommendation for M2.01 in terms of speed and # of passes? Will appreciate your answer, as could not find any guidelines to this ...
Long answer but 60 to 70% power on a free spinning da
@@ForensicDetailing thanks, and how many passes?
@@konradsmorawski7941 till it turns sorts of transparent, 3/4 passes just depends really if you put alot of product on?
Are you going to get your hands on the new Koch Chemie Hand Wax? The one that’s nearly £100, would love to see you do a review of this
Do you still reckon F6 with the fine cut pad is a good shout for a single stage enhancement on hard paint?
hmm bit open ended this.. but typically if your not having to dig out heavy swirls F6 and soft pad would be good. Although a mid range pad. like the koch Yellow would yield more cut. Works great on a flex purple as well.
Only last week, I used F6 with the Koch yellow pad for this exact reason. I was happy with the End results. So I think you will be fine.
I’m using flex purple with h9 f6 with rupes Millie yellow would m3 be suitable for rupes Millie white pad?
yes mate
Forensic Detailing Channel it’s just confusing tbh seen people using m3 with the rupes yellow not sure if I should use m3 with yellow or white after h9 with flex purple
whats the working times like with H9 jon?
Hi mate, how's it going? It's really hard finding some english speaking reviews for Koch Chemie products, and here in Brazil they are very expensive (at least twice the price compared to any other brand, like Meguiars, for example), so can you tell me, for your perspective, if they really are that good? We have some really nice products here too, but it is hard to know if those Koch Chemie products worth all that money. If they were the most expensive products in your country, would you still buy it? Thanks!
If you are looking to do a spray and rinse comparison, it might be worth sticking some carbon collective hybrid in the mix to test that as it seems super popular and works well :)
I cant mate. Ive started testing them a few months back.. there are millions on the market.. literally millions. ive got like 8-9 in the test from all sorts of different flavours of brands.
but I do listen to comments like this jack they are important. and like I make little notes so if I ever do a follow up i try and stick the products in people ask about.. I have follow up silica spray ones I am doing now where the line ups are things people asked for after doing the first one..
so cheers my friend appreciate it.
@@ForensicDetailing no worries fella, I appreciate the reply :) enjoy your weekend John
Another good vid Jon, is the M201 still your go to Micro Polish, and how does the M302 compare ? Cheers
no Koch chemie is. I binned my M205 and M105. But only because it was old and I was never gonna finish it off. Mirror glaze abrasives are superb. In terms of compound I think the meguiars one was the only one which could match the gloss levels of H8 in my compound test. but H8 is less prone to dusting...
I have way way way too many abrasives. all I need is H8 f5 m2 nothing else period. But someone else could say the same about another trio. theres some really good ones out there. best thing to do is just pick one and like use it untill its all gone AJ :)
I did mean The Koch Chemie M205 being your go to, not to be confused with the Meguiars :) :)
Or rather i meant the Koch Chemie M201 ;)
I think we all know that feeling of having to many products, but yours must be absolutely terrible. How about doing an up to date video about your favourite compound or finishing polish or even a combo as they are the same manufacturer, i'm sure the last video you did like this Scholl products S3 S20 and S40 were your favourites. Cheers ;)
*very informative for a newbie, subbed too :)*
I have 6" da polisher. Can i use 5" polishing pad on it?
Yh just need a 5 inch backing plate
Can you use the red pad with h9 as one step on hard clear like with h9 and purple pad
potentially but its not suitable really.. or I would say start with F6 and yellow. If you want to step up. Go H9 and yellow. If you really need to step up wit hH9 and red then its prolly not suitable for single stage... dunno
Forensic Detailing Channel btw you said the scholl parts arnt so good on do cod the curved face scholl said there for all machines
Would you use the P3 as a 1 step polish? And the H9 and M3 as a 2 step polish? Let me know how you would go about using the products?
think of P3 as like M3 with wax. so you could use it to finish out H9. Or you could use it on its own. But you would not use it if you were prepping for ceramic coating because of the wax.
Forensic Detailing Channel right i see! So with a ceramic coating best use H9 then M3 and finish with ceramic coating to seal it but if no ceramic coating is applied best to use H9 and P3 if 2 step polish... what about a 1 step polish with a good micro cratching remove and a sealant what would you recommend? Or is just the F6 as a 1 step good enough without a sealant or whatever...?
Koch, очень крутые пасты делает👍🏼
So people use h8 as one step guessing h9 is good as one step as well has same gloss after all
Add Turtle Wax Dry & Shine!
Hello, it will be great if you Can compare ageinst angelwax cutting compound's.
Do they have any filler in them
nope
11:21 Can't wait!
Auto foam vs GSF would be good.
The pads look great but at those prices is a bit of deal breaker for me mate
totally agree. when a credible rival sells euro made pads for 7 quid for 125ml (rupes) and your selling euromade pads for 13-14 quid. Its a very very hard sell and you wont temp 90% of the market to even try them. And you loose money long run by over pricing them. its the same with flex pads. Ive tried to feed this back polietly.
they finally start selling in usa
H9 has less fillers than h8?
the same (none)
They don’t fill there pure abrasive
Hi John,
I like your videos a lot. But please go in translate and see how to pronounce the German Koch. In General, when translate, you never translate names. Like when I go in Germany, they pronouns croissant as in french.
I myself am Bulgarian. I speak English, German, Swedish and Russian.
Otherwise, keep going. Good stuff !!
Next video how they performed?
yer I they are slotted in.. so like the protector wax will get test properly for the spray and rinse.. GSF will go in the next snow foam shootout. etc.. best way to learn about them beyond just using them is to compare them with other offerings. thats the name of the game and that what FDC was really the first channel to do on YT.
@@ForensicDetailing mate. I would like to do 1 step correction on kia metalic paint. few little stretches nothing deep. I have koch chemie range pads and compounds H8 f6. I will use DA polisher. What would you recommend from these koch products?
@@jaykish2 yes mate get the yellow pads from clean and shiny they are 7 quid not 14 quid. and hit it with F6. that combo is sweet. The koch pads are superb.
@@ForensicDetailing f6 + yelow koch pad worked like a charm. Thanks!
First - love your videos John!