Heavy metal is an extreme art form and with extreme art comes extreme ideas if you can't handle it don't consume it. Also it is entirely possible to enjoy someone's art and disagree with their opinions at the same time.
As an LGBT metalhead, I feel sort of caught between two communities. On one hand, I feel I'll try to be PC just because I think of myself as a polite person and don't want to offend anyone. At least not intentionally. I won't use slurs or genuinely offensive words when talking with people, but I won't take it to the extreme far-left description of being PC. On the other hand, I could care less if other people weren't PC. It takes a lot to offend me and I won't bitch at people for not being PC. In terms of the metal community, I could care less if they were PC. I don't always feel accepted in the metal community, being gay, but so long as I am not being personally attacked, I could care less for how a band decides to present itself, PC or not.
I'm a very tolerant man, I could care less about political correctness whenever I think it's needed or if it's completely redundant, in other words I think racism, sexism, or homophobia is a way to look for trouble in society today but I do think that censorship is wrong and disrespectful.
There are a lot of nice metalheads, I'm bisexual myself. These days metal splits down the political middle. I usually just stay away from the black metal fans.
@@joep359 Ah I totally understand you. Even if I love black metal and wear shirts all the time, the shit which is going on in this subgenre is just ridiculous. Stay strong, youth will bring freedom to this world, and we will wash away the bullshit.
I read an article not too long ago about these same groups trying to get rid of mosh pits. Claiming pits are alienating women and they demonstrate too much aggression and toxic masculinity. But they soon realized they werent making much headway so they've created their own safe spaces without mosh pits. And that's what will have to happen for those groups. If you want a change, create it yourself. But don't come into my space telling me what to do. And holy shit that pissed me off so much. I'm a woman who's loved metal and gone to shows for as long as I can remember and never have I ever felt alienated from or by a mosh pit. It was offensive to me to even hear that shit but... whatevs
Stupid politics always ruins everything. Activists will attack anyone that does not agree with them. First gamers now metalheads. We metalheads will fight for our music. - a female metalhead from Singapore
Political correctness just feels like a politicaly correct way to say censorship. But didn't we already go through this shit? Back when Black Sabbath was satanic and Judas Priest had subliminal messages?
It's not just metal music that political correctness needs to stay out of. It's all kinds of art forms. Political correctness has been steadily ruining things like comic books (a prime example being Marvel), video games, and even cartoons. Thankfully anime and metal have remained pretty much untouched. Sure, these instances crop up from time to time, but, until we see a big band like Maiden being forced to add people of different racial or cultural backgrounds for the sake of so-called 'diversity' or an anime about gender studies, I'd say we're doing pretty okay for now.
Cannibal Corpse is a funny example as it was actually heavily censored for several years in germany. First covers got outlawed so wet get our special watered down ones. Then the records went onto the index (no ads, only sold to adults). Even live they were not allowed to play certain songs. Funny times as it was a really ad campaign for CC :-)
2 years ago,my Mother died...she didn't 'pass away' or 'expire'. I have a disease that does not all0ow me to walk; I'm in a wheelchair. I am a cripple...no I'm not a handi-tard or differently abled...I'm a cripple - NO shame in that. By renaming your condition doesn't help, ever. PC must die.
Exactly. When my dad committed suicide I didn't instantly start telling people they can't ever mention suicide or joke about it. It's so selfish and closed-minded in my opinion to tell people what they can and can't joke about based on something that happened to me.
This political correctness happened to me once with a girl she said metal was sexist and then she was defending pop music and twerking saying that it was talent. And some guy saying that the women in metal are just there so the companies can sell more, because the guys just go see those bands for the attractive woman in the band. Last time I checked metal fans cared more about the talent of the band the talent of the musicians never have they cared for their looks, last time a guy at a show was talking to me about Nervosa and not once did he mention how hot the vocalist was me and him were just talking about her vocal talents
Lol so Arch Enemy has a career just because the vocalist is a girl. Nevermind the fact that they got alot of attention with the first album which had a MALE vocalist. Yea shocker
Matt, It has been said that "religion s the opiate of the masses!" but that misguided woman needs help if she actually thinks that Autotune is better than actually singing. What the hell is "twerking"?
Metal has always been a very broad and diverse genre of music, not just in terms of global backgrounds, but musically and lyrically. To me, that's the biggest reason metal is widely loved. And that's why bands should be able to write about whatever they please and not be told they can't. If you don't like it, you don't have to listen to it, but when activist groups try to ruin the fun for everyone else, that's when shit needs to stop.
I agree with this more or less to the full. I'm quite left leaning politically but I don't have a problem with metal being extreme, cause it's art, and art is self expression. I don't believe in a "PC Culture" that's ruining our society, I think it's just some people struggle to find a balance between being too PC or too insensitive/unkind. I think that representation of minorities is important to help society become more inclusive but this should begin by encouraging people who haven't been exposed to metal to give it a go to see if they enjoy it and want to pursue creating and/or playing it, not just by shoving some non-typical people on stage to perform metal. But yeah, like James Hetfield says live "we don't give a shit where you're from, or who you are, or who you voted for, etc..." metal is an inclusive community for people with a common love for extreme art, and it isn't divided by skin colour or religion or gender. There's more white people in metal just like there's more black people in Hip-hop; that doesn't mean for one second that black people can't enjoy metal or white people can't enjoy hip-hop.
Feminist: Sign me to your record label. Record company: Can you sing? Feminist: No. Record company: Can you play any instruments? Feminist: No. Record company: ...Then why should we sign you to the label? Feminist: Because I'm a WAHMEN! *REEEEEEEEEE*
I stand left wing on most political issues, but fuck censorship. People should have the right to do and say what they want as long as its not attacking people
as a german , i listen to metal because of the SOUND . i simplie like DISTORTED e-guitars and drums ,i now just a few english words .see you all in WACKEN
I laugh at the ones saying that stuff about the festivals, you have bands like Slayer, Krisiun, and Sepultura perform and they arent white (Slayer has white men but it is fronted by a south american man Tom Araya), and it has a lot of female fronted bands in them Nightwish, Doro, Leaves Eyes, Arch Enemy, Eluveitie, Epica, Arkona, and Xandria
honestly, my problem with this is that the whole "free speech" thing is one sided.if some black metal band decides to use nazu insignia or whatever that's their right but so is it the right of protesters to be against that or a venue to deny them to play. you can't say freedom and then only grant it to those who agree with you anyway.
I completely agree with this video. I frequently have this conversation with my metalhead friends. Metal isn’t supposed to be safe. It’s something that allows us to confront real or imaginary evils from Nazis to Satan. Just because the songs or the bands contain evil themes does not mean we are supporting nazis or satanism. It’s like saying that teaching world war 2 in schools is educating kids to become nazis.
Manny Singh they still make good music. I dont like communism (or fascism and nazism for that matter) but if they make good music why the fuck wouldn't i listen to them. Thats all that matters in the end.
Non-native english speaker here, was confused when you started talking about politics instead of Personal Computers (PC)... After reading some comments, I now understand...
It is possible for there to be good music that is PC, but I don't think any band should be forced to be that way. I especially don't think any music festival should be forced to play certain bands just because of PCness, like if I was the lead of a band I wouldn't want to be added to a festival's lineup just because it's a female led band, I want to be added because we're good, and being added just because I'm a chick is just as bad as sexual discrimination.
I'm all for saying what you want and expressing yourself there is one rule if you don't like something fine but don't obsess over it and ruin the fun for others
I think PC culture is really annoying, but I don't see it going anywhere. It's almost like calling people Nazis or saying something is racist is fashionable now. A lot of these terms are being tossed around far too easily. I 'm not too worried about PC culture working its way into metal. First, I don't think that people who listen to metal will allow it to happen; and secondly it doesn't seem like the best music choice to push an agenda onto a wide audience. They should stick to mainstream pop whatever.
I completely agree, my family used to put shows together and like Blackmetal Werewolf said its about money. yeah we would have local bands to open and we would allow people to give the stage a go but we only paid the bands who had a history of bringing a crowds in. just saying
What you are referring to is a very small front of a broader cultural war. One that I believe the opponents of PC are losing. I agree that there are strong willed people in metal, but at the same time I would not underestimate the ability of our opponents to infiltrate the metal community. The question is, why are they trying to infiltrate metal?
I get what you say, but i don't think it's fair to say leftists are against metal or dark music. The goth subculture is very rooted in left wing politics and they talk about some really dark shit. Same with punk, because they make a distinction between art and reality. They realise that when cannibal corpse talks about death, that is art and people like it, but when someone actually dies that is bad and people know that. When metal first came around, the backlash it faced came mostly from religious conservatives, who screamed about satanism, and all that shit, while leftists were more open minded to change and new stuff in general.
I don't think he meant all leftists or liberals . I think he just meant people in general getting triggered and trying to ruin things for other people because they may have misconstrued something or happened to be offended by something . Btw you're absolutely right about alternative subcultures leaning more towards the left and being more open minded than conservatives who try to portray rock and metal as evil.
Please comment on Conner Betts doing the vocals of Menstrual Munchies a Black metal band that participated in Black Flags Over Brooklyn. Can you, can anybody sing, taunt, excite themselves into doing something horrible like that through music?
From all I could find he sounded like he was a psycho anyway. There's so many people listening to extreme music and all that who never commit a crime in their lives, it's pretty unfair to blame it for the bad deeds some people commit. It's kind of the same shit with violent video games, rap music, etc ,etc
Nobody is taking away the darkness in metal. They tried more in the 80s to censor metal. way harder. THE PMRC. Metal is not the rebellious music it once was. Yeah, you'll always have people out there trying to control others. The anti pc crowd tends to be drama queens much of the time. Nobody is stopping anything. And if you can't handle a little resistance along the way, make gospel music.
I'm politically correct to a degree. I don't like to use the words "Fag" or "Faggot", I never use the "N Word" towards Black people (or otherwise), and I'm making an effort not to call things "Retarded" anymore. But as for Metal, I feel it needs to stay extreme and not get watered down by the PC culture. People need to remember that Extreme Music is going to have Extreme subject matter. Art doesn't always represent the Artist. Ie; just because an artist writes about Rape/Murder/Incest etc doesn't mean they're gonna be personally involved in such acts. As a close, I feel we can better ourselves as a personable species, but Art is just Art. Extreme or subtle, Harsh or pleasant etc.
I totally agree, to me metal is as much about the ideas and freedom of thoughts and stories as it is guitars, but I have faith that us metalheads wont bow down when told to make extreme music mild.
Am I the only one bothered by your bracelets orientation? XD I mean I think you should rotate them so the belts are over the wrists (They don't seem like that, and it bothers me, but if you like them like that keep with it). \m/ Great Vid btw!
Hell even sometimes being quiet while others get political at work, I still feel like am being judged for not even debating it with them. Which is why I do my best to just listen to my metal in peace as much as possible.
When I think about being "political correct" I think about not being a fucking bigot. I would have never even _considered_ putting topics like murder, suicide, death, etc. into the same equasion. But yeah, generally speaking, tolerance ends where intolerance starts, and as history has shown, people are often too fucking stupid to think for themselves. I believe that _certain_ topics should come with regulations, mainly hatespeech. No person should be allowed to openly, on a stage, spread hate for people solely based on their ehtnicity, skin colour, sexuality, gender or the likes, without also being . The Nazis already did that over here in Germany and we all remember where that got us. Don't need that again. _But_ I also realise that properly regulating such things is very very difficult. Where are the limits? What contexts are okay? Who is gonna keep track of everything? Who can guarantee that this form of censorship wouldn't be getting abused to censor things that shouldn't be censored? For the most part I just wish that consumers would show more intelligence and agency when it comes to the media they consume and support. But that is clearly too much to ask for. As things currently are, there is no "correct" way to handle this stuff. And that's why that issue will probably never go away.
I feel like this goes back to the subject of mainstream music. Like, A reason I don't like what people want to hear on the radio, Is because I NEVER hear my music on it. For example, The only Thrash Metal I hear is Metallica, Or maybe Anthrax's Bring the Noize.
This kinda reminds me what happened to Disma. They were kicked off the Netherlands Death Fest I think. It was all because Craig was in a hate band on the side. They were banned from the festival. I mean that is so lame to kick a band as there are people out there who like the band for their death metal lyrics not what they believe or do in their free time. I think it is so lame we can't all stay in our corners.
What you are talking about is the “bad” PC. The good one is more of a common sense one, like “oh sorry for for insulting you, I’ll try to learn from it and be a less of an arse (as we all are sometimes)”. BUT metal (and sometimes comedy) is the place where social tabus are joked/dealed with. Like, think of a joke by a professional comedian that cannot be insulting to anyone. Most jokes are funny because there is a cultural conflict with the subject. The same goes with metal (most of the time not funny but still). Also, if tough subjects/ideas aren’t dealed with those things will dwell and grow into something that isn’t good for society/metal/music/comedy/whatever. There needs to be a outlet for every ideology/idea/topic. It is up to society/each individual to value those ideologies/ideas/topics as good or not.
I'm with you dude. There's a huge difference between being polite in everyday life and artistic expression. We don't talk about digging up corpses, opening their bellies and fucking them in everyday life (at least I hope so) yet that stuff is normal in metal music. It's an important difference
There is no winning here. No matter what one does in life,they will offend someone,or piss them off. I bet my left leg Bob Ross and Mr. Rogers have pissed someone off before. I agree with you,Werewolf. Ugh. If the PC teetotalers had their way,Burzum would be about fluffy kittens.
Doesn't matter if they end up watering down metal because that won't erase the great bands that have already made great music Iron maiden cannibal corpse slayer pantera exodus or kreator to name a few of my favorites
I don't know if actual political correctness would work with the aggressive style of metal. One of the most important things, if not *the* most important thing, is that metal bands don't tell you how great it is that we have peace and love and freedom and all that bullshit, they express how horrible it is that we actually don't.
I fully support Progressiveness and diversity in media, but no one should ever be "forced" to do so. If they don't want to include, for example, a black character or a disable character or whatever then they should be allowed not to. It doesn't necessarily mean they're racist, maybe the character would be out of place in the scenario of the story. We shouldn't rush things, just give them time to fully integrate
Hate speech laws exist for a reason bruh, no one cares about the nerds trying to take down cannibal corpse. However when the bands start verbally attacking groups of people based off things that they can’t change about themselves that’s hate speech and it’s not fucking metal.
As for Women Fronted Band festivals, there's always the Dame-Nation festival. For PC, though... Why we still have this problem, in our lifetime/generation, is beyond me...
I'm mostly PC because there are consequences of not being PC in today's world, as society tends to change over time. And it's not because I'm being forced to be PC, but it really is in my heart to respect other people's sensitivities. I just never apply my politics to heavy metal… I never really thought it'd be an issue. I honestly don't care what other bands do, because if I don't agree with them, I stay away from it.
Matisse Edgar Yoshihara exactly, i try to be pc (though sometimes i just don't know something i say isnt pc bc noone has told me and it makes no sense to me...), because i dont see why i shouldnt and i dont see the point in offending people but i wont complain if people disagree and use offensive words and i DEFINITELY wont stop listening to a band just bc they have a different view on pc
Dude, kickass South of Heaven shirt \m/
On & on, South of Heaven!!!
Heavy metal is an extreme art form and with extreme art comes extreme ideas if you can't handle it don't consume it. Also it is entirely possible to enjoy someone's art and disagree with their opinions at the same time.
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Couldn't have said it better 🤘🙌👏
As an LGBT metalhead, I feel sort of caught between two communities. On one hand, I feel I'll try to be PC just because I think of myself as a polite person and don't want to offend anyone. At least not intentionally. I won't use slurs or genuinely offensive words when talking with people, but I won't take it to the extreme far-left description of being PC. On the other hand, I could care less if other people weren't PC. It takes a lot to offend me and I won't bitch at people for not being PC. In terms of the metal community, I could care less if they were PC. I don't always feel accepted in the metal community, being gay, but so long as I am not being personally attacked, I could care less for how a band decides to present itself, PC or not.
I love Liquor Guns Bacon & Tits too, small world eh?
I'm a very tolerant man, I could care less about political correctness whenever I think it's needed or if it's completely redundant, in other words I think racism, sexism, or homophobia is a way to look for trouble in society today but I do think that censorship is wrong and disrespectful.
There are a lot of nice metalheads, I'm bisexual myself. These days metal splits down the political middle. I usually just stay away from the black metal fans.
@@joep359 Ah I totally understand you. Even if I love black metal and wear shirts all the time, the shit which is going on in this subgenre is just ridiculous. Stay strong, youth will bring freedom to this world, and we will wash away the bullshit.
Same here
I read an article not too long ago about these same groups trying to get rid of mosh pits. Claiming pits are alienating women and they demonstrate too much aggression and toxic masculinity. But they soon realized they werent making much headway so they've created their own safe spaces without mosh pits. And that's what will have to happen for those groups. If you want a change, create it yourself. But don't come into my space telling me what to do.
And holy shit that pissed me off so much. I'm a woman who's loved metal and gone to shows for as long as I can remember and never have I ever felt alienated from or by a mosh pit. It was offensive to me to even hear that shit but... whatevs
it's ridiculous, I don't go in the pit and i've seen plenty of women take some hard hits like champs and keep moshing
Stupid politics always ruins everything. Activists will attack anyone that does not agree with them. First gamers now metalheads. We metalheads will fight for our music.
- a female metalhead from Singapore
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let's do that you have my keyboard
You have my keyboard
Absolutely. Politics and also christianity, especially the parents have the worst opinions on games and metal music.
Amen to that
"F.P.C."-by Havok
your welcome
you're*
As a female, minority, and life-long metalhead, I'd like nothing to change about the current state of metal. Cheers.
I agree
Same.
Same
Political correctness just feels like a politicaly correct way to say censorship.
But didn't we already go through this shit? Back when Black Sabbath was satanic and Judas Priest had subliminal messages?
yea but its changed now. now its about racism and sexism
Kaelpie, I remember the days when there was a backwards masking message to Satan hidden in stairway to heaven!
Yup
As Jack Black once said: "You can't kill the metal, the metal will live on." Let's hope it stays that way for as long as the genre is alive.
they can't stop us let em try for heavy metal we will die
Manowar!!!
It's not just metal music that political correctness needs to stay out of. It's all kinds of art forms. Political correctness has been steadily ruining things like comic books (a prime example being Marvel), video games, and even cartoons. Thankfully anime and metal have remained pretty much untouched. Sure, these instances crop up from time to time, but, until we see a big band like Maiden being forced to add people of different racial or cultural backgrounds for the sake of so-called 'diversity' or an anime about gender studies, I'd say we're doing pretty okay for now.
Indeed, man. And as Sam Dunn said at the end of "Metal: A Headbanger's Journey": "We're doing just fine without you."
Anime fuck yea
MARION MU word he got blasted for that and I think they took that video down or disabled the comments
lol when japan gets infected with sjws we are all fucked...
Lol XD
Cannibal Corpse is a funny example as it was actually heavily censored for several years in germany. First covers got outlawed so wet get our special watered down ones. Then the records went onto the index (no ads, only sold to adults). Even live they were not allowed to play certain songs. Funny times as it was a really ad campaign for CC :-)
I remember hearing about that
I can see pc corpse grinder
Singing about how he loves his mom
A PC corpsegrinder would be singing how much he loves his disabled, ethnic minority, gender neutral boyfriend.
@Ignatious I thought both were about identifying as a specific gender or some shit like that.
I tought this was a video about metalheads vs pc gaming nerds
Blackmetal666 03 but I'm both lol
Dikke Blastbeat ,is your name dutch
Schnitzel jep
Indeed! This is fucking clickbait dude
2 years ago,my Mother died...she didn't 'pass away' or 'expire'. I have a disease that does not all0ow me to walk; I'm in a wheelchair. I am a cripple...no I'm not a handi-tard or differently abled...I'm a cripple - NO shame in that. By renaming your condition doesn't help, ever. PC must die.
Exactly. When my dad committed suicide I didn't instantly start telling people they can't ever mention suicide or joke about it. It's so selfish and closed-minded in my opinion to tell people what they can and can't joke about based on something that happened to me.
"FUCK P.C"- Havok
FPC
Hell yeah
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I'm glad there are respectable metal heads on the internet who produce high or midgrade quality content.
This political correctness happened to me once with a girl she said metal was sexist and then she was defending pop music and twerking saying that it was talent.
And some guy saying that the women in metal are just there so the companies can sell more, because the guys just go see those bands for the attractive woman in the band. Last time I checked metal fans cared more about the talent of the band the talent of the musicians never have they cared for their looks, last time a guy at a show was talking to me about Nervosa and not once did he mention how hot the vocalist was me and him were just talking about her vocal talents
Lol so Arch Enemy has a career just because the vocalist is a girl. Nevermind the fact that they got alot of attention with the first album which had a MALE vocalist. Yea shocker
demon dog, listen to this old john lennon song..
he had a good idea of how women still are being treated..
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Matt, It has been said that "religion s the opiate of the masses!"
but that misguided woman needs help if she actually thinks that Autotune is better than actually singing.
What the hell is "twerking"?
Andreia Reminiec Twerking is a disgrace to humanity. I beg you not to look it up.
I agree with you,demondog.. it's the record companie who are guilty of this shameful practice.
Metal has always been a very broad and diverse genre of music, not just in terms of global backgrounds, but musically and lyrically. To me, that's the biggest reason metal is widely loved. And that's why bands should be able to write about whatever they please and not be told they can't. If you don't like it, you don't have to listen to it, but when activist groups try to ruin the fun for everyone else, that's when shit needs to stop.
exactly.
I proudly consider myself a feminist, but I like the metal bands I listen to as much as everyone else...
Raises your voice against SJW \m/
Christopher Gase lel
Christopher Gase The social justice warrior warrior
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SJWs are ruining metal at this point.
political correctness has no place in rocknroll, punk, metal, ect...you've got a new subscriber in me.
Brandon Holtzclaw Pc has no place in art in general.
dude really wants to get the politics out of his punk music
Omg love the south of heaven shirt, such a good album
Dude!! Thank you so much for shouting out my band!! You rock \m/
The angriest a Canadian has ever been!
Lol. Breaking the Canadian stereotype.
Like jack black once said Metal/rock was a way to stick it to the man until the man created MTV
#KeepPCOutOfMetal
I'm glad I'm here. Thank you.
I agree with this more or less to the full. I'm quite left leaning politically but I don't have a problem with metal being extreme, cause it's art, and art is self expression. I don't believe in a "PC Culture" that's ruining our society, I think it's just some people struggle to find a balance between being too PC or too insensitive/unkind. I think that representation of minorities is important to help society become more inclusive but this should begin by encouraging people who haven't been exposed to metal to give it a go to see if they enjoy it and want to pursue creating and/or playing it, not just by shoving some non-typical people on stage to perform metal.
But yeah, like James Hetfield says live "we don't give a shit where you're from, or who you are, or who you voted for, etc..." metal is an inclusive community for people with a common love for extreme art, and it isn't divided by skin colour or religion or gender. There's more white people in metal just like there's more black people in Hip-hop; that doesn't mean for one second that black people can't enjoy metal or white people can't enjoy hip-hop.
This couldn't be more true. I completely agree with you.
Feminist: Sign me to your record label.
Record company: Can you sing?
Feminist: No.
Record company: Can you play any instruments?
Feminist: No.
Record company: ...Then why should we sign you to the label?
Feminist: Because I'm a WAHMEN! *REEEEEEEEEE*
You are 100% correct and I fully agree.
Thank you for saying this! I'm sick of this PC culture. I'm surrounded by it at school and work, I'm pretty much outlasted for it but idgaf.
This is why I love the new Havok album. Especially the song F.P.C.
I stand left wing on most political issues, but fuck censorship. People should have the right to do and say what they want as long as its not attacking people
as a german , i listen to metal because of the SOUND . i simplie like DISTORTED e-guitars and drums ,i now just a few english words .see you all in WACKEN
I laugh at the ones saying that stuff about the festivals, you have bands like Slayer, Krisiun, and Sepultura perform and they arent white (Slayer has white men but it is fronted by a south american man Tom Araya), and it has a lot of female fronted bands in them Nightwish, Doro, Leaves Eyes, Arch Enemy, Eluveitie, Epica, Arkona, and Xandria
You forgot about Black Death which is a metal band that has African American members
honestly, my problem with this is that the whole "free speech" thing is one sided.if some black metal band decides to use nazu insignia or whatever that's their right but so is it the right of protesters to be against that or a venue to deny them to play. you can't say freedom and then only grant it to those who agree with you anyway.
PC is the end of Art and Metal as we know it.
"Art should comfort the disturbed and disturb the comfortable"
I completely agree with this video. I frequently have this conversation with my metalhead friends. Metal isn’t supposed to be safe. It’s something that allows us to confront real or imaginary evils from Nazis to Satan. Just because the songs or the bands contain evil themes does not mean we are supporting nazis or satanism. It’s like saying that teaching world war 2 in schools is educating kids to become nazis.
Rage Against The Machine's anyone.
Hell yeah!
funny cause RATM are commies
Manny Singh they still make good music. I dont like communism (or fascism and nazism for that matter) but if they make good music why the fuck wouldn't i listen to them. Thats all that matters in the end.
true. in fact i dont pay attention to lyrics much unless the band is really good in the first place. no body listens to music for the lyrics
The world needs S.O.D. right now. Get it together, Scott and Billy.
Stand strong always and protect the Kingdom, no one will crush us🤟
Non-native english speaker here, was confused when you started talking about politics instead of Personal Computers (PC)... After reading some comments, I now understand...
native English speaker here
I thought it was about gamers who play on PC
It is possible for there to be good music that is PC, but I don't think any band should be forced to be that way. I especially don't think any music festival should be forced to play certain bands just because of PCness, like if I was the lead of a band I wouldn't want to be added to a festival's lineup just because it's a female led band, I want to be added because we're good, and being added just because I'm a chick is just as bad as sexual discrimination.
Even though it was bob marley who said this I think it can still apply to heavy metal. “Rasta don’t work for no CIA”
Metal is great because its only for use metal heads and its meant to piss others off or at least thats way i love it
if they wanna hold a festival that holds female fronted bands and people of color my band would be more than happy to take advantage of that 😂.
Thrash., a metal band is a metal band,regardless of gender... why should it matter to you, that the lead singer is a gal?
Dude you are such an inspiration, I think you should be put on the radio
I'm all for saying what you want and expressing yourself there is one rule if you don't like something fine but don't obsess over it and ruin the fun for others
BMW overthinks things
Rock on brother!
PC master race > PC culture.
Politically Correct groups have been trying to protest metal and rock since Elvis Presley. "Ooh, he shakes his hips, that's the work of the devil".
Truest words ever spoken.
7:41 *Cough Cough* Robb Flynn
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keep up the good work dude, politics discussions dont intrest me but when theres metal involved /m/
I think PC culture is really annoying, but I don't see it going anywhere. It's almost like calling people Nazis or saying something is racist is fashionable now. A lot of these terms are being tossed around far too easily. I 'm not too worried about PC culture working its way into metal. First, I don't think that people who listen to metal will allow it to happen; and secondly it doesn't seem like the best music choice to push an agenda onto a wide audience. They should stick to mainstream pop whatever.
Goblin, not when there are "people who let everything get under their skin "in the country
I completely agree, my family used to put shows together and like Blackmetal Werewolf said its about money. yeah we would have local bands to open and we would allow people to give the stage a go but we only paid the bands who had a history of bringing a crowds in. just saying
Who would you rather see headlining, Iron Maiden or Butcher Babies?Article writer: Butcher babies because they have women singers.
What you are referring to is a very small front of a broader cultural war. One that I believe the opponents of PC are losing. I agree that there are strong willed people in metal, but at the same time I would not underestimate the ability of our opponents to infiltrate the metal community. The question is, why are they trying to infiltrate metal?
PC needs to stay the fuck out of art. I agree with you!
Except for a few rare subgenres, most metal I have ever heard has been for social justice and individual freedom
I get what you say, but i don't think it's fair to say leftists are against metal or dark music. The goth subculture is very rooted in left wing politics and they talk about some really dark shit. Same with punk, because they make a distinction between art and reality. They realise that when cannibal corpse talks about death, that is art and people like it, but when someone actually dies that is bad and people know that. When metal first came around, the backlash it faced came mostly from religious conservatives, who screamed about satanism, and all that shit, while leftists were more open minded to change and new stuff in general.
I don't think he meant all leftists or liberals . I think he just meant people in general getting triggered and trying to ruin things for other people because they may have misconstrued something or happened to be offended by something . Btw you're absolutely right about alternative subcultures leaning more towards the left and being more open minded than conservatives who try to portray rock and metal as evil.
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Please comment on Conner Betts doing the vocals of Menstrual Munchies a Black metal band that participated in Black Flags Over Brooklyn. Can you, can anybody sing, taunt, excite themselves into doing something horrible like that through music?
From all I could find he sounded like he was a psycho anyway. There's so many people listening to extreme music and all that who never commit a crime in their lives, it's pretty unfair to blame it for the bad deeds some people commit. It's kind of the same shit with violent video games, rap music, etc ,etc
Nobody is taking away the darkness in metal. They tried more in the 80s to censor metal. way harder. THE PMRC. Metal is not the rebellious music it once was. Yeah, you'll always have people out there trying to control others. The anti pc crowd tends to be drama queens much of the time. Nobody is stopping anything. And if you can't handle a little resistance along the way, make gospel music.
Yeah I see those tiny halloween lights on the side there! Getting into the spirit ^_^
I'm politically correct to a degree. I don't like to use the words "Fag" or "Faggot", I never use the "N Word" towards Black people (or otherwise), and I'm making an effort not to call things "Retarded" anymore. But as for Metal, I feel it needs to stay extreme and not get watered down by the PC culture.
People need to remember that Extreme Music is going to have Extreme subject matter. Art doesn't always represent the Artist. Ie; just because an artist writes about Rape/Murder/Incest etc doesn't mean they're gonna be personally involved in such acts.
As a close, I feel we can better ourselves as a personable species, but Art is just Art. Extreme or subtle, Harsh or pleasant etc.
Oh my god it's blackmetalrebellion
jeff collett Lmfao... Is that a good thing or a bad thing? I'm both loved and hated around here.
That's retarded.
Finally someone I agree with 100%
Skwisgaar Haha thank you!
I love how when he lists board death suicide rate in satanism immediately I think of literally any Cannibal Corpse song ever.
I totally agree, to me metal is as much about the ideas and freedom of thoughts and stories as it is guitars, but I have faith that us metalheads wont bow down when told to make extreme music mild.
Some people fail to fact check bands or don't care about the actual facts. I've probably been wrong on a few of them, too.
Am I the only one bothered by your bracelets orientation? XD I mean I think you should rotate them so the belts are over the wrists (They don't seem like that, and it bothers me, but if you like them like that keep with it). \m/ Great Vid btw!
Hell even sometimes being quiet while others get political at work, I still feel like am being judged for not even debating it with them. Which is why I do my best to just listen to my metal in peace as much as possible.
And he was politically correct in this video. In a good way. Respect, honesty, truth and no bullshit. This is how it's done.
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The dude working at the gas station is responsible for a lot of my problems. ;-)
When I think about being "political correct" I think about not being a fucking bigot. I would have never even _considered_ putting topics like murder, suicide, death, etc. into the same equasion.
But yeah, generally speaking, tolerance ends where intolerance starts, and as history has shown, people are often too fucking stupid to think for themselves. I believe that _certain_ topics should come with regulations, mainly hatespeech. No person should be allowed to openly, on a stage, spread hate for people solely based on their ehtnicity, skin colour, sexuality, gender or the likes, without also being . The Nazis already did that over here in Germany and we all remember where that got us. Don't need that again.
_But_ I also realise that properly regulating such things is very very difficult. Where are the limits? What contexts are okay? Who is gonna keep track of everything? Who can guarantee that this form of censorship wouldn't be getting abused to censor things that shouldn't be censored?
For the most part I just wish that consumers would show more intelligence and agency when it comes to the media they consume and support.
But that is clearly too much to ask for.
As things currently are, there is no "correct" way to handle this stuff. And that's why that issue will probably never go away.
6:18 cuz 10,000 people means ten thousand fists in the air
Nice Disturbed reference.
I feel like this goes back to the subject of mainstream music. Like, A reason I don't like what people want to hear on the radio, Is because I NEVER hear my music on it. For example, The only Thrash Metal I hear is Metallica, Or maybe Anthrax's Bring the Noize.
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This kinda reminds me what happened to Disma. They were kicked off the Netherlands Death Fest I think. It was all because Craig was in a hate band on the side. They were banned from the festival. I mean that is so lame to kick a band as there are people out there who like the band for their death metal lyrics not what they believe or do in their free time. I think it is so lame we can't all stay in our corners.
What you are talking about is the “bad” PC. The good one is more of a common sense one, like “oh sorry for for insulting you, I’ll try to learn from it and be a less of an arse (as we all are sometimes)”.
BUT metal (and sometimes comedy) is the place where social tabus are joked/dealed with. Like, think of a joke by a professional comedian that cannot be insulting to anyone. Most jokes are funny because there is a cultural conflict with the subject. The same goes with metal (most of the time not funny but still). Also, if tough subjects/ideas aren’t dealed with those things will dwell and grow into something that isn’t good for society/metal/music/comedy/whatever. There needs to be a outlet for every ideology/idea/topic. It is up to society/each individual to value those ideologies/ideas/topics as good or not.
I'm with you dude. There's a huge difference between being polite in everyday life and artistic expression.
We don't talk about digging up corpses, opening their bellies and fucking them in everyday life (at least I hope so) yet that stuff is normal in metal music. It's an important difference
Why would anybody consume watered down Whiskey?
There's loads of female fronted metal bands that are popular.
do you work for century media, SymphonicmetalTV?
The first thing I thought of when I read the title was Infant Annihilator.
Not taking a side here, I just like funnies. Have a great day 👍
My brother has the same pendant that he's wearing👍
There is no winning here. No matter what one does in life,they will offend someone,or piss them off. I bet my left leg Bob Ross and Mr. Rogers have pissed someone off before. I agree with you,Werewolf. Ugh. If the PC teetotalers had their way,Burzum would be about fluffy kittens.
This video is amazing
Doesn't matter if they end up watering down metal because that won't erase the great bands that have already made great music
Iron maiden cannibal corpse slayer pantera exodus or kreator to name a few of my favorites
This man is the physical embodiment of hardcore
How so?
0:30 little did you know
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I don't know if actual political correctness would work with the aggressive style of metal. One of the most important things, if not *the* most important thing, is that metal bands don't tell you how great it is that we have peace and love and freedom and all that bullshit, they express how horrible it is that we actually don't.
I fully support Progressiveness and diversity in media, but no one should ever be "forced" to do so. If they don't want to include, for example, a black character or a disable character or whatever then they should be allowed not to. It doesn't necessarily mean they're racist, maybe the character would be out of place in the scenario of the story.
We shouldn't rush things, just give them time to fully integrate
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Hate speech laws exist for a reason bruh, no one cares about the nerds trying to take down cannibal corpse. However when the bands start verbally attacking groups of people based off things that they can’t change about themselves that’s hate speech and it’s not fucking metal.
love your vids keep them coming
As for Women Fronted Band festivals, there's always the Dame-Nation festival. For PC, though... Why we still have this problem, in our lifetime/generation, is beyond me...
I'm mostly PC because there are consequences of not being PC in today's world, as society tends to change over time. And it's not because I'm being forced to be PC, but it really is in my heart to respect other people's sensitivities. I just never apply my politics to heavy metal… I never really thought it'd be an issue. I honestly don't care what other bands do, because if I don't agree with them, I stay away from it.
Matisse Edgar Yoshihara exactly, i try to be pc (though sometimes i just don't know something i say isnt pc bc noone has told me and it makes no sense to me...), because i dont see why i shouldnt and i dont see the point in offending people but i wont complain if people disagree and use offensive words and i DEFINITELY wont stop listening to a band just bc they have a different view on pc
www.marxists.org/history/usa/workers/black-panthers/index.htm matisse..,how do you like being accused of marxism?