@@tiborpurzsas2136 My copy of the 2022 Oxford dictionary defines woke as the following. Woke - verb - past of wake adjective informal US - alert to injustice in society, especially racism. So are you happy being an intolerant racist?
This video clearly shows that he is the new MVP... Unfortunately it also show which other hosts are clearly more interested in taking over the conversation, rather than contribute to it.
god "talked" to Mike....uh-huh... riiiiiiiiiight....that is Mike's evidence that he believes for something he can shill for himself...he's a cheap christian used car salesman.
When I was 5 or 6 years old, my parents gave me books about Aesop’s fables, Mother Goose stories, Fairy tales, etc., and almost all of those stories had talking animals. I asked my Dad if animals can really talk, and he told me that it was make-believe (which I later labeled Suspended disbelief). I put those books on my make-believe shelf, along with Mickey Mouse, Peter Rabbit, and Winnie the Pooh. One day my Presbyterian grandmother gave me a book of Bible stories for children. In the very first story, I found a talking snake. That book went straight to the make-believe shelf, where it has remained for over 65 years.
My grandmother also contributed to my atheism. She gave me a read-along-record about Hercules and the Hydra, which sparked my interest in Greek mythology. Even in elementary school, I saw similarities between stories in Greek mythology and those in Christianity. And I eventually rejected Christianity in 10th grade. The funny part was that my grandmother was a minister. The not so funny part was that she very frequently interjected her religious beliefs into mundane interactions, my fear of our relationship degrading if she found out that I was an atheist made me more standoffish, and she died when I was 22. An older, more mature me could've handled it better, and we could've had more good times before she died.
Mom read me all the same stories. Then at age 5 started taking me to Sunday School. Jonah and the Big Fish, Noah and the Ark, Jesus feeding all the people; yeah, just more fairytales.
Your parents did a great job raising you! My grandfather sent me to confirmation in middle school. All he told me was that I needed to understand tuese stories and that I had to make my own mind up about it. I'm so grateful for that & I miss him every day.
I think Zach's problem is that he is used to Islamic circle jerks, where he and a bunch of his buddies just sit around employing faulty reasoning to reinforce their starting conclusion that Islam is true, and he's never come across actual logic before, so he doesn't recognize it.
@SalomeMin To me, If youre are dealt a "shitty hand" & preach an afterlife, it gives less reason for the REST of us to do something to help cure that & prevent that in the future.. This is why so many religions preach "have faith & just leave it to god" , leaving people to suffer needlessly, instead of trying to fix it.. And it shows a patronizing arrogance of "God said just put up with YOUR suffering, cos I swear I'll pay you back what I owe you, later.. 😐☮️🌏 😁☮️🌏
From what I've seen, If you're dealt a "shitty hand" & preach an "I'm cured" afterlife, it gives less reason for the REST of us to do something to help cure that & prevent that in the future.. This is why so many religions preach "have faith & just leave it to god" , leaving people to suffer needlessly, instead of trying to now DO everything possible to fix it & make THIS life easier/ livable for them.. And its really patronizingly arrogant saying YOU should just put up with it, 🤷♀️ do what I tell you to do ( give me money etc ) & God will pay you back later, "I swear bro".. 🤦♀️ 😁☮️🌏
How do you know the show is set up by atheist callers acting like christians making atheist the idiot? Now just a simple thought for anything could be possile. Other wise are these theist that Domb. if you die your in trouble by a bigget God in a book.
I just had to laugh and laugh and laugh when Mike, a Christian said "well yeah I was raised in a Christian household but it had no effect on me" 🤣 Oh My Sweet Summer child
@@Imperial-Socialist I seriously can’t understand how theistic people think “well it has to be that way because otherwise I’d be wrong” is an argument.
@1:08:41 - Zack: "If you even just study the human eye..." Zack, I'd LOVE to talk about the human eye with you. I was born with cataracts - a mass in the lenses of both eyes that prevented me from seeing. Do you know why? Just because. I later developed glaucoma and lost my left eye. Do you know why? Just because. After that I had a black spot that kept coming and going so I go to the doctor and they tell me my retina has detached. Do you know why? Just because. If the eye was designed it was done by a mentally deficient sadist because it's terribly designed. Why didn't God make the human eye more like the octopus eye so we didn't have to worry about cataracts because they have no lens? Why didn't God design us to breath like dolphins so we don't choke to death on the stuff we eat to stay alive? There's NO WAY this crap was designed.
The chaotic thinker in that particular call, hasn’t studied anything about the various paths that evolution has taken to make eyes, but he somehow reckons that because humans have a certain type of eye, that must mean there had to be only one God making eyes (and absolutely everything else) … because multiple gods couldn’t come up with all these different eye types, flawed or working eyes. 😮 Even his irrational story, when you try to follow it, ends up again, in flawed logic.
I was born with a stigma in my eye that prevents me from wearing contact comfortably, so im stuck wearing a metal and glass contraption on my face for my entire life.. if there if a god, he royally sucks at design.
Why did God put the rattle in the tail of a snake instead of the tip of the penis? Women would really like to know!!! There's no way this was all designed.
Science: gather evidence, then come to a conclusion. Start with “I don’t know,” then “Let’s find out.” Anti-science (religion): Start with the conclusion, then try to find evidence to support it. Start with “I know,” then “Let’s justify it.”
The latter is also how criminal trials work and how essays are written so it isn't surprising to me that this kind of "finding truth" is so prevalent. The level of science illiteracy in the world today is depressing and shocking.
Pro tip for Rick from Canada: don’t call a biologist working on his Ph.D in anthropology and challenge him on evolution. It’s never going to go well for you.
Hosts, "Roman historians just have 'reports' of Jesus and his miracles. Their veracity is not a given." Rodney, "Yeah, but it's history." Hosts, "There is no third-party evidence for the Resurrection." Rodney, "Yeah, but it's history." And we go round and round and round.
I wish that the hosts had stuck on the point that historians don't have sufficient evidence of anyone resurrecting from actually being dead and that we have no records from Josephus or Tacitus concluding that Jesus of Nazareth resurrected from actually being dead. Rodney didn't seem to understand that George Washington having actually existed doesn't mean that the story about him and the cherry tree is true (it isn't true, yet it's exponentially more plausible than Jesus resurrecting from the dead, being a god, being the son of a god, etc)
Yes, this is why it's often just tiring to listen to this program. I think I would just suggest that he should call back after he had done his research. They drag this out too long in some cases.
35:29 I can't remember whether it was from one of his books or one of the lessons from Bart Erhman's The Great Courses lectures, but those three criteria were one of the first things i learned from Bart. This is a PERFECT question to ask if you want to guaue whether someone knows historical criterion.
It’s unfortunate that Zach just was not equipped for a conversation on the level that the hosts are capable of having. He struggled to understand even the most basic points that they were trying to make, such an unproductive discussion
Nikol said that if a person were born with no limbs, they would not be living. They would just be existing. I hope Nikol reads this someday. I lived the first 26 years of my life as a physically fit theist (albeit with little conviction). I have lived the last 36 years of my life as a quadriplegic with no motor or sensory nerve function below my shoulders and I have been atheist most of that time. It has been much more than an existence, Nikol. In fact, I feel confident in saying that you would probably wish that you had lived your life as fully as I have enjoyed living mine.
My favorable part of being an atheist is that when you leave your religious morals behind, you also realize that your desire to help & not hurt others still exists inside you. Even without expecting a reward. And you get to re-evaluate your most strident beliefs without worrying about being manipulated by supernatural forces. And personally, I’ve never met an atheist that became a worse person after leaving religion. As for humans “just being animals by accident,” what a f-king amazing accident! The energy once put towards faith, can now be re-focused towards actual learning. We tend to take science & technology for granted, but imho, science has come so far and has answered so many fundamental questions about how the world works, it’s endlessly fascinating! We are super lucky to live at a time when science has discovered most of the basics of how the world works! How lucky are we! We have detailed understandings about the universe, our solar system, our planet, our weather systems, evolution & abiogenesis, archeology & paleontology, etc. Questions that only began to be answered in the last 150 years! It’s freaking amazing how much is known about life, that we couldn’t have hoped to have known just a few generations ago. That this could be called some boring accident is astounding to me. Knowing that a sunset or childbirth is “only” a combination of chemicals & physics, is the beginning of a potential lifetime of learning. That is far more amazing to me then if some giant brain in the sky designed it like a production. That would make humans mere players on God’s stage who will be punished if we question our scripts. “God” as an answer shuts down questions & curiosity. While an accidental “bag of chemicals” can continue to be investigated forever.
Yup, I'm far more moral and a better person as an atheist than I ever was as a Christian. Because I can let go of the immoral baggage that comes along with Christianity.
I agree. I am always impressed by the depth of his own inquiry and knowledge into both the scholarship and the philosophical. I just wish he'd shut up and listen every once in a while. Let one caller finish one sentence, maybe.
I.... don't even think it would be that hard actually. God fuckin damit chris, I could have done my dissertation on this if I saw this comment 3 months earlier!!!
I love your passion and depth of knowledge JMike And I equally love your ability to turn the logic and arguments back on the caller Kenneth. You guys rock, much appreciate everything y'all do. Many many thanks
Doing good things gives me a good feeling, even if nobody ever knows about it. That feeling is a reward, and I do good things partly to get that good feeling. The more I do these things, the more I crave the feeling.
"I was a bigger skeptic then either of you. Even though I'm a big science fiction buff. But I know how to separate the science from the fiction. Until that changed one day." Finally, Mike says something I can agree with 😂
They are horrifically bad. In most pisslamic countries you'll just get killed if u criticise it, unlike in Chrisatanist countries so at least the chrisatanists have had time, opportunity to attempt apologetics. Pisslam is still in infant stage that's why he comes out w childish insults you're just arrogant or scared or whatever other bullshit.
@@Nonamam I'm finding it hard to dismiss my opinion that Moslem apologists are the worst apologists of all the theist apologists too. I'm just concerned about being in an echo chamber.
@@dlon4539 because they are the worst. Nothing to do w echo chamber. They are objectively terrible at apologetics. How is it an echo chamber? A muslim actually called in. You can go listen to them elsewhere, it's exactly the same.
Why was Jesus Christ on planet Earth thousands of years ago? ANSWER - Jesus Christ KNOWS that the Creator authorized and sent him from heaven to earth to preach and teach the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" to imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings as written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26 What is the Creator's favor and reward for Followers and Believers of Jesus Christ? ANSWER - Jesus Christ KNOWS that all persons on earth who willingly submit to his authority and put their faith and hope in his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" in obedience to what were written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26 will definitely bring themselves honor and the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth without liars, slanderers, perverts, traitors, cowards, and murderers as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4, 8. How will human beings live and exist on earth forever if they just turn into worthless and useless dusts after their deaths? ANSWER - The Creator KNOWS that all human beings will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes, 3: 19 20 ; 9: 5, 6 but he knows too that he will not let his loving, kind, and respectful worshippers who died recently and thousands of years ago like Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Job, Moses, Ruth, Naomi, King David, Daniel, Jesus Christ's followers, and many others to remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever, instead, in the right and proper time, and as written in John 11: 25, 26 he will let Jesus Christ RESURRECT them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
@kelvintonblortsmon2457 "It doesn't work. " Yes,. it does... Your lack of an education just means you're too stupid to comprehend it... " There's no such thing as new anatomy" Yes there is... Stop lying.... BBC Science focus: "Are humans evolving an extra artery in the arm? Humans are evolving an extra artery in the arm - BBC Science ... "People born 80 years from now will all carry a median artery if the trend continues." Dr Lucas said the study demonstrates that humans are evolving at a faster rate than at any point in the past 250 years. The median artery is not the only example of ongoing human evolution.Oct 9, 2020" Seriously why do you think telling easily refuted lies is going to convince anyone? Are you really that stupid... We can all google the moronic things you post and see that not only are you always wrong... That they are stupid concepts as well....
I need Jake to understand that just because there's two possible outcomes, it doesn't inherently mean there a 50/50% chance of it happening. For example, raffles. There's two outcomes: either I win, or I don't. But that doesn't mean that I have a 50% chance of winning. Your odds of winning in a raffle are [how many tickets you put in] over [how many tickets total are in]. If you bought exactly half the tickets, sure, you'd have 50/50 odds. But if you bought 1 tickets, and there are 1 million tickets sold, your odds of winning are one in a million.
When Zach failed to realize they were just parroting his 'you know deep down you're wrong, you're just too arrogant to admit it' argument, I knew there was no hope. And I'm the one who drives my friends mad, insisting that religious people aren't just stupid or malicious. So you know it's dire when I give up on somebody.
I love this channel so much.. me and my husband listen to you guys almost everyday, my goal is to start financially supporting this channel by next month! Ive been wanting to do that for a long time now, I love the education these guys and this channel supplies to everyone! I really wish I had found you guys years ago! ❤😊
After well over a decade of watch the show, it amazes me how effort theists put into understanding not just the world around them, but even the words the host and co-host speak.
If they understood the things the hosts say, they wouldn't be theists. You can't be a theist and also be intellectually honest. They are mutually exclusive.
@@coletrickle1775I think that's a little reductive. I believe there are intellectual ways to argue for god, but most people are not that smart. Even debates with highly educated and pretty smart religious people don't exhibit that, because they are too invested in giving evidence, ANY evidence. So the good stuff completely drowns in fallacies and bad arguments. I just watched a video on Alex O'Connor's channel about the argument from motion, which I think has some merits too it. I don't think it proves god's existence, and definitely not the Christian god, but I believe it's an intellectual and worthy endeavor to explore it.
You can point to an evil atheist but can't point to evil atheism. Let that sink through, no one has ever done evil because of not believing in something else; however in the name of different religions many atrocious events have happened many times in history.
Somedays, I sit back and really think about the fact that shows like this have to exist. The fact that there are real, living, breathing, (somehow) functioning people walking around among us that ACTUALLY believe there is a magic god that created everything, is watching us and is all powerful. They believe they know things about this god because they have their specific book out of hundreds that they are familiar with, and were just lucky enough to be raised with the correct book that details the exact characterization of the correct god(what are the odds? How lucky!). They believe the god not only knows about them, but loves them, cares about them, and wants to punish those who accidently got the wrong book due to geography and the happenstance of being born into the wrong family. And they give money to some of the most powerful people on the planet who claim to speak for the magical god, while they do heinous things to children and communities, and handicap the future of our species and civilization. And the kicker....the majority of the planet believes these crocks of s**t. It is about to be 2024, and I can't help but reflect on all this yet again. It is hard to keep your sanity living in a world like this where most of the world live their lives based on old fairy tales... Seriously, I feel like the majority of the planet is in the midst of one of those fake IRS telephone scams. You just want to shake them and make their brains work right. But... The good news is, it's on the decline. Not in our lifetime, but hopefully several generations down the line, our ancestors will live in a world free of this nonsense. I am immensely thankful of this show in particular, that has helped me keep my sanity over the past two decades. Keep it up! For my brain's sake lol. To all my atheist brothers, sisters and non-binary siblings out there, we have the truth on our side, and I wish you all a very happy new year. 😊.
My thoughts as well. It's nice to hear someone else understands. It's disturbing now to remember how I gave money to a church years ago. When I pass churches that are under new construction/expansion it sickens me to know that they're not taxed. All the money involved, including tithing, could be put to better use supporting humanitarian needs. I became an atheist a few years ago, but have failed to find a person to directly communicate with that is also atheist.
Good to see like-minded people. I totally agree. I'm lucky enough to be born in Norway, so I'm blessed (no pun intended) with little religious influence. Hopefully the decline of delusional beliefs continue in the US as well.
I don't for a second believe they really believe what they say they believe. They cry at funerals instead of celebrating. They are trolls, all of them/
@@joecoolioness6399 I think many of them genuinely believe. Like most beliefs, I don't think people really reflect on them very deeply, though. It kind of gets ingrained in their daily routine, and they just parrot what their congregation says.
Mike is so arrogant to assume he is perfect and can't be wrong? He keeps claiming that "no way could I be influenced by outside pressure, so God must have shown me he is real. Explain that Atheist!!" Yeah my answer to you Mike is you are delusional if you think you can't be influenced by outside pressure because all of us are humans, all of us can be wrong and all of us can be manipulated into believing in BS for bad reasons.
Weird story, but …A few nights ago, I had a horrendous nightmare. Why my mind threw this in I don’t know. But Forrest appeared and hugged me - I’d like to add, it was totally platonic, I’m old enough to be his mum! He said, ‘I’ll stay until you wake up, make sure you’re okay.’ And he did! I did struggle to wake, there was a slight lucidity to the dream. I knew I needed to wake. And he encouraged me to wake up, saying I’d be safe when I did and it was just a dream. So, thanks, Forrest, I appreciated the help!!
Irony is lost on Zach. He's blissfully unaware of his own arrogance when he accuses 'all atheists of being too arrogant". If he listened, instead of rambling at 100mp, he wouldn't sound so foolish.
Notice how in call #3 (1:08) the caller uses the argument from design to claim 'perfection', then when Kenneth gives examples of imperfection the response given is 'this isn't a paradise'. So, perfect and not perfect simultaneously. Does reasoning like that bring you closer to belief, or push you farther away?
@kelvintonblortsmon2457*I asked you a question: If a dog evolved into a unicellular parasite, would acknowledge that a CHANGE of KIND occurred?* You ran away.
@kelvintonblortsmon2457 REPEATING: How did CARBON, spread out in the atmosphere as gas, become UNMIXED and concentrate into the log, such that burning can release it again, spreading it out into the atmosphere again? This is like the milk in coffee being UNMIXED and poured back into the bottle, then pouring it into another coffee! ☝️ Isn't this impossible??? But *HOW DID THE TREE DO IT?* Was it magic?
I always bring that up when I argue with Christians. I always say if Jesus was worshipped by Homo Erectus, I'd say that something is behind it. As is, that 99% of people that walked the planet have never knew Jesus Christ.....we have believed in thousands of gods. They all proved to be imaginary. So how is the god of the Bible any different?
I am gobsmacked - utterly, completely gobsmacked - at the levels of confrontation, ignorance and arrogance displayed (with pride, no less!) by these callers. I was brought up, long ago, in England, 'culturally christian' but atheist. Religion and belief, or lack thereof, is very rarely a matter for public _conversation_ - still less confrontation or argument here (although there are always a few idiots of course). It's considered a private matter - not offensive as such, but certainly inappropriate except in very specific circumstances. Thank goodness!
Reminds me of a study some years back over multiple nations from around the world. Confidence vs test results. In this study the U.S. citizens scored themselves highest in confidence levels when it come to math and science abilities. After the actual tests, the U.S. scored dead last.
Hi, Thank you for all the great work you are doing. I would like to provide some constructive critisism: At 1:38:00 when Johnny makes a pretty good point saying that the caller should proof that there is no unicorn in Johnny's garage. You hold a mirror to the caller. But it goes right over their head. You are discussing unicorns (farting rainbows, becoming immortal by drinking their blood), I think it would be way more productive to explain what you are trying to accomplish with this instead. I think sometimes there is an opportunity for a great conversation that you miss by making a great point but not in a language that the caller understands.
This is the way I look at life you can wish what you want but there’s somebody that got up this morning. That’s not gonna go back to sleep an somebody went to sleep last night not going to see today and that’s the deal for life And one day you will be you
Even if god exists I wouldn't worship him, that doesn't mean I am denying his existence, that means I disagree with what they stand for and aren't giving reverence to them. Which frankly the slavery-allowing, genocidal one of the bible is one I would definitely have on that list. People forget that worship is an action that necessarily implies "I agree with this thing and am dedicating time to praise it"
The last caller was pulling a Darth or Kent hovind move of when someone literally says "yes go on" while someone is talking, they act like you're interrupting them to dishonestly make it look like you're not letting them speak, and then filling in that time by complaining about it
Zach's monumental ignorance is matched by his hubris. The worst thing is his arguments for Islam are commonly used by many OTHER religions. Then along comes Mike to say he KNOWS another different god from Zach's actually exists yet he cannot seem to understand that people change their minds about all sorts of things all the time! This is priceless!
Zach offered absolutely nothing but poison-the-well insults. "You're arrogant, you're not logical, you're biased, you just don't want to believe, etc.,etc.,etc." He never made one real attempt to argue his own case. He was insulting and nasty-- a clearly vicious guy. I would have canceled him at a fraction of the time he was given to spew his poison.
Zach's "it's too perfect for there to be multiple gods" is always a little funny to me. Incidentally, I've heard it from other Muslims as well. They seem to be suggesting that a perfect being wouldn't be able to work as a team with other perfect beings to create this "too perfect" world. Does being perfect somehow preclude one from being a good team player? What a strange idea.
@joecoolioness6399 whether they could is different from whether they would. I'd imagine people would answer "yes" to the former, and invoke god's mysteriousness or invent some contrivance for the latter. Either way, I haven't seen any good evidence for these claims.
I’m glad the number 1 call came to be the one where Johnny made me spit a beer out my nose on the original airing. Johnny I love you, but HOLD ON!! LOL
@@KulascusExactly! The call would've ended a lot sooner as well. Just like the call that a theist said he believed in the talking snake with Adam and Eve.😮
I have been hoping for someone mentioning Kohlberg and stages of moral development. I believe that religious people often do the right things for the wrong reasons.
I appreciate a comment I once read that said, "If you need the threat of Hell to not steal, kill, etc...then you're not a good person, you're a monster on a leash!". Can anyone imagine what would happen back then if a woman said that she's a pregnant virgin? Also, if someone believes that everyone was born from Adam and Eve then that would mean that we are ALL brothers and sisters and related to one another...then what about DNA AND why are people going into war and killing them or even planning to kill them in the near future bc why? People can still be spiritual and meditate without believing and praying to any God...I ain't afraid of your Allah, I ain't afraid of your Yahweh, I ain't afraid of your Jesus...I'm afraid of what you do in the name of your God...
What does a god need with DNA and disease? You would just be born the way you are and die when that god has it on his calendar. Honestly, the whole thing is just ludicrous and anyone who still believes in any kind of god or spirit just hasn't thought it through.
Call number 3 sounds like a stroppy teenager who really needs to grow up. I really feel JMike’s frustration at the extremely arrogant idiocy on display.
EVERY one of these callers feels they have what it takes to defend their position, and NONE of them are anywhere CLOSE to being aware --and that they are a million miles away from doing so.
I’m 69 years old and when I grow up I want to be Forrest Valkai. 🙂
Sorry to break it to you, there is only one Forrest Valkai
I'm a proud atheist myself, but Valkai is to woke for my taste. I don't much care for the LGBTQ agenda
@@tiborpurzsas2136 My copy of the 2022 Oxford dictionary defines woke as the following.
Woke - verb - past of wake
adjective informal US - alert to injustice in society, especially racism.
So are you happy being an intolerant racist?
This video clearly shows that he is the new MVP... Unfortunately it also show which other hosts are clearly more interested in taking over the conversation, rather than contribute to it.
Forest is unique and his outlook bright, always a pleasure
Seth and Forrest are phenomenal hosts. Their explanation are simply top tier. Everybody should have a Biologist teacher like Forrest.
god "talked" to Mike....uh-huh...
riiiiiiiiiight....that is Mike's evidence that he believes for something he can shill for himself...he's a cheap christian used car salesman.
When I was 5 or 6 years old, my parents gave me books about Aesop’s fables, Mother Goose stories, Fairy tales, etc., and almost all of those stories had talking animals. I asked my Dad if animals can really talk, and he told me that it was make-believe (which I later labeled Suspended disbelief). I put those books on my make-believe shelf, along with Mickey Mouse, Peter Rabbit, and Winnie the Pooh. One day my Presbyterian grandmother gave me a book of Bible stories for children. In the very first story, I found a talking snake. That book went straight to the make-believe shelf, where it has remained for over 65 years.
I love it! You thought this through logically
My grandmother also contributed to my atheism. She gave me a read-along-record about Hercules and the Hydra, which sparked my interest in Greek mythology. Even in elementary school, I saw similarities between stories in Greek mythology and those in Christianity. And I eventually rejected Christianity in 10th grade.
The funny part was that my grandmother was a minister. The not so funny part was that she very frequently interjected her religious beliefs into mundane interactions, my fear of our relationship degrading if she found out that I was an atheist made me more standoffish, and she died when I was 22. An older, more mature me could've handled it better, and we could've had more good times before she died.
Mom read me all the same stories. Then at age 5 started taking me to Sunday School. Jonah and the Big Fish, Noah and the Ark, Jesus feeding all the people; yeah, just more fairytales.
That is a great story! I wish that were me. I struggled with coming to terms that I didn't believe anymore, but not until I was in my 50's.
Your parents did a great job raising you! My grandfather sent me to confirmation in middle school. All he told me was that I needed to understand tuese stories and that I had to make my own mind up about it. I'm so grateful for that & I miss him every day.
Zach is a great example of how much damage can be done through childhood indoctrination.
And the the other callers weren't? 🤣
@@IRGeamerZach is just insanely arrogant and is apparently a mind reader
I think Zach's problem is that he is used to Islamic circle jerks, where he and a bunch of his buddies just sit around employing faulty reasoning to reinforce their starting conclusion that Islam is true, and he's never come across actual logic before, so he doesn't recognize it.
Zach's a bit thick headed. Just closes his eyes, cups his ears and hums loudly.
Nah, he’s just an arrogant douche.
"The trouble with the world is that the stupid are cocksure and the intelligent are full of doubt.” - Bertrand Russell
Perfect!
Beau ti ful.
I’m not so sure.
@@richardcooper9167 I see what you did there, Mr Cooper! 😁
@@jaredburgess8381 I doubt that. 🤪
As a disabled person, I feel that the caller can go to hell with their assumption of my life
Another subtle Christian with well thought out argument
Well, I mean, they can't but I get the principle.
RIGHT?! WTF. I was INFURIATED by that and a bit disappointed that Forrest and Seth didn't challenge that directly.
@SalomeMin To me, If youre are dealt a "shitty hand" & preach an afterlife, it gives less reason for the REST of us to do something to help cure that & prevent that in the future..
This is why so many religions preach "have faith & just leave it to god" , leaving people to suffer needlessly, instead of trying to fix it..
And it shows a patronizing arrogance of "God said just put up with YOUR suffering, cos I swear I'll pay you back what I owe you, later..
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From what I've seen, If you're dealt a "shitty hand" & preach an "I'm cured" afterlife, it gives less reason for the REST of us to do something to help cure that & prevent that in the future..
This is why so many religions preach "have faith & just leave it to god" , leaving people to suffer needlessly, instead of trying to now DO everything possible to fix it & make THIS life easier/ livable for them..
And its really patronizingly arrogant saying YOU should just put up with it, 🤷♀️ do what I tell you to do ( give me money etc ) & God will pay you back later, "I swear bro".. 🤦♀️
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What I love about being an atheist is not having to play the never ending game of “what aboutism”…
How do you know the show is set up by atheist callers acting like christians making atheist the idiot? Now just a simple thought for anything could be possile. Other wise are these theist that Domb. if you die your in trouble by a bigget God in a book.
@CollinGerberdingit it old fairly quick
I just had to laugh and laugh and laugh when Mike, a Christian said "well yeah I was raised in a Christian household but it had no effect on me" 🤣 Oh My Sweet Summer child
Well you gotta remember, Mike was SO skeptical. He was more skeptical than anyone on the show has ever been. The most skeptical atheist.
Zach takes the cake. He is probably proud to be in the "best calls" ignoring why he is.
Peak smugnorance on his part.
@@Imperial-Socialist I seriously can’t understand how theistic people think “well it has to be that way because otherwise I’d be wrong” is an argument.
Jmike's take on a God weeding out the non critical thinkers is spectacular.
All we need is to write a book about it and start a new religion that's based on - We're really the chosen because we don't believe. Hilarious!
I think it's a 50/50 probability that Zach could change his own diaper.
@1:08:41 - Zack: "If you even just study the human eye..."
Zack, I'd LOVE to talk about the human eye with you. I was born with cataracts - a mass in the lenses of both eyes that prevented me from seeing. Do you know why? Just because.
I later developed glaucoma and lost my left eye. Do you know why? Just because.
After that I had a black spot that kept coming and going so I go to the doctor and they tell me my retina has detached. Do you know why? Just because.
If the eye was designed it was done by a mentally deficient sadist because it's terribly designed. Why didn't God make the human eye more like the octopus eye so we didn't have to worry about cataracts because they have no lens? Why didn't God design us to breath like dolphins so we don't choke to death on the stuff we eat to stay alive?
There's NO WAY this crap was designed.
Or designed by a sadist ?
The chaotic thinker in that particular call, hasn’t studied anything about the various paths that evolution has taken to make eyes, but he somehow reckons that because humans have a certain type of eye, that must mean there had to be only one God making eyes (and absolutely everything else) … because multiple gods couldn’t come up with all these different eye types, flawed or working eyes. 😮
Even his irrational story, when you try to follow it, ends up again, in flawed logic.
I burst out laughing when he did the eye thing. Soooo juvenile.
I was born with a stigma in my eye that prevents me from wearing contact comfortably, so im stuck wearing a metal and glass contraption on my face for my entire life.. if there if a god, he royally sucks at design.
Why did God put the rattle in the tail of a snake instead of the tip of the penis? Women would really like to know!!! There's no way this was all designed.
Science: gather evidence, then come to a conclusion. Start with “I don’t know,” then “Let’s find out.” Anti-science (religion): Start with the conclusion, then try to find evidence to support it. Start with “I know,” then “Let’s justify it.”
Well put.
"Let's justify it" then is a euphemism for "lets find some wordsalad that allows us to indoctrinate people that cannot see through the nonsense".
The latter is also how criminal trials work and how essays are written so it isn't surprising to me that this kind of "finding truth" is so prevalent. The level of science illiteracy in the world today is depressing and shocking.
@@samhhaincat2703 Except that neither trials nor essays are about "finding truth".
I love Forrests' knowledge on science and he makes it sound so much more cooler than it already is. . I need him to record a podcast as i fall asleep.
Pro tip for Rick from Canada: don’t call a biologist working on his Ph.D in anthropology and challenge him on evolution. It’s never going to go well for you.
Hosts, "Roman historians just have 'reports' of Jesus and his miracles. Their veracity is not a given."
Rodney, "Yeah, but it's history."
Hosts, "There is no third-party evidence for the Resurrection."
Rodney, "Yeah, but it's history."
And we go round and round and round.
I wish that the hosts had stuck on the point that historians don't have sufficient evidence of anyone resurrecting from actually being dead and that we have no records from Josephus or Tacitus concluding that Jesus of Nazareth resurrected from actually being dead. Rodney didn't seem to understand that George Washington having actually existed doesn't mean that the story about him and the cherry tree is true (it isn't true, yet it's exponentially more plausible than Jesus resurrecting from the dead, being a god, being the son of a god, etc)
Yes, this is why it's often just tiring to listen to this program. I think I would just suggest that he should call back after he had done his research. They drag this out too long in some cases.
Zachary is her for his laughable smugnorance alone. Whats more laughable, is he effectively admitted to thinking like a 5 year old.
35:29 I can't remember whether it was from one of his books or one of the lessons from Bart Erhman's The Great Courses lectures, but those three criteria were one of the first things i learned from Bart. This is a PERFECT question to ask if you want to guaue whether someone knows historical criterion.
It’s unfortunate that Zach just was not equipped for a conversation on the level that the hosts are capable of having. He struggled to understand even the most basic points that they were trying to make, such an unproductive discussion
Nikol said that if a person were born with no limbs, they would not be living. They would just be existing. I hope Nikol reads this someday. I lived the first 26 years of my life as a physically fit theist (albeit with little conviction). I have lived the last 36 years of my life as a quadriplegic with no motor or sensory nerve function below my shoulders and I have been atheist most of that time. It has been much more than an existence, Nikol. In fact, I feel confident in saying that you would probably wish that you had lived your life as fully as I have enjoyed living mine.
Congrats for great hosts, and long time of truthing and helping save victims of the horrors of religious bullying! 👍💙💙💙🥰✌
My favorable part of being an atheist is that when you leave your religious morals behind, you also realize that your desire to help & not hurt others still exists inside you. Even without expecting a reward. And you get to re-evaluate your most strident beliefs without worrying about being manipulated by supernatural forces. And personally, I’ve never met an atheist that became a worse person after leaving religion.
As for humans “just being animals by accident,” what a f-king amazing accident! The energy once put towards faith, can now be re-focused towards actual learning. We tend to take science & technology for granted, but imho, science has come so far and has answered so many fundamental questions about how the world works, it’s endlessly fascinating!
We are super lucky to live at a time when science has discovered most of the basics of how the world works! How lucky are we! We have detailed understandings about the universe, our solar system, our planet, our weather systems, evolution & abiogenesis, archeology & paleontology, etc. Questions that only began to be answered in the last 150 years! It’s freaking amazing how much is known about life, that we couldn’t have hoped to have known just a few generations ago. That this could be called some boring accident is astounding to me. Knowing that a sunset or childbirth is “only” a combination of chemicals & physics, is the beginning of a potential lifetime of learning.
That is far more amazing to me then if some giant brain in the sky designed it like a production. That would make humans mere players on God’s stage who will be punished if we question our scripts. “God” as an answer shuts down questions & curiosity. While an accidental “bag of chemicals” can continue to be investigated forever.
Yup, I'm far more moral and a better person as an atheist than I ever was as a Christian. Because I can let go of the immoral baggage that comes along with Christianity.
Really great top 5 compilation here.
Forrest and Johnny. Best combo ever!
Agreed. Forrest shine and Johny's sarcasm is the best together 😂
Thank you all for what you do. Happy Holidays to all.
Jmike always has really strong thought provoking arguments!
I agree. I am always impressed by the depth of his own inquiry and knowledge into both the scholarship and the philosophical. I just wish he'd shut up and listen every once in a while. Let one caller finish one sentence, maybe.
Absolutely love listening to how well read Jmike (stud) and Johnny are!! Impressive stuff gents!
Mike in Florida is committed to avoiding his burden of proof.
Could a "debate bot" be made that accurately calls out fallacious arguments in real time? That would be a very useful tool.
I.... don't even think it would be that hard actually. God fuckin damit chris, I could have done my dissertation on this if I saw this comment 3 months earlier!!!
It could be done super easy, just an hr training it and it'd prove useful... If only it was profitable and we'd have honest politicians
I love your passion and depth of knowledge JMike
And I equally love your ability to turn the logic and arguments back on the caller Kenneth. You guys rock, much appreciate everything y'all do.
Many many thanks
1:06:45 JMIKE , I love that rant. I feel it!
The third caller's entire argument was "Logic is crazy and insane."
perfect vid for me tonight. working grave at the hospital on the eve, should be a dead night, this will carry me through it :)
Doing good things gives me a good feeling, even if nobody ever knows about it. That feeling is a reward, and I do good things partly to get that good feeling. The more I do these things, the more I crave the feeling.
Same. And that feeling stayed even after I became an Atheist at 15.
@@sweetlolitaChii For me I think it kicked in when I stopped believing in god.
"I was a bigger skeptic then either of you. Even though I'm a big science fiction buff. But I know how to separate the science from the fiction. Until that changed one day."
Finally, Mike says something I can agree with 😂
Love you guys!! We make ourselves meaningful, we do not let dogma “guide” us.
I'm beginning to believe that the proposition "Muslim apologists are the worst apologists" is in fact correct.
They are horrifically bad. In most pisslamic countries you'll just get killed if u criticise it, unlike in Chrisatanist countries so at least the chrisatanists have had time, opportunity to attempt apologetics. Pisslam is still in infant stage that's why he comes out w childish insults you're just arrogant or scared or whatever other bullshit.
All you said was "I'm not a Muslim". Any apologist we don't agree with is going to be incredulous
@@dlon4539... No... Tf..
@@Nonamam I'm finding it hard to dismiss my opinion that Moslem apologists are the worst apologists of all the theist apologists too. I'm just concerned about being in an echo chamber.
@@dlon4539 because they are the worst. Nothing to do w echo chamber. They are objectively terrible at apologetics. How is it an echo chamber? A muslim actually called in. You can go listen to them elsewhere, it's exactly the same.
Eternal life would be a horrible concept especially if have to constantly grovel to a narcissistic being or risk being invited to his next bbq.
Why was Jesus Christ on planet Earth thousands of years ago?
ANSWER -
Jesus Christ KNOWS
that the Creator authorized and sent him from heaven to earth to preach and teach the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" to imperfect, suffering, and dying human beings
as written in Luke 4: 43 and John 11: 25, 26
What is the Creator's favor and reward for Followers and Believers of Jesus Christ?
ANSWER -
Jesus Christ KNOWS
that
all persons on earth who willingly submit to his authority and put their faith and hope in his teachings about the "Kingdom of God" and "Resurrection of the Dead" in obedience to what were written in Matthew 28: 18, Luke 4: 43, and John 11: 25, 26
will
definitely bring themselves honor and the loving, kind, and merciful Creator's favor and reward of ETERNAL LIFE and existence without sufferings, pains, griefs, sickness, and death on a safe, secure, and peaceful earth without liars, slanderers, perverts, traitors, cowards, and murderers as written in Revelation 21: 3, 4, 8.
How will human beings live and exist on earth forever if they just turn into worthless and useless dusts after their deaths?
ANSWER -
The Creator KNOWS
that
all human beings will just become worthless and useless dusts on earth after their deaths just like the animals as written in Ecclesiastes, 3: 19 20 ; 9: 5, 6
but
he knows too that he will not let his loving, kind, and respectful worshippers who died recently and thousands of years ago like Noah, Abraham, Sarah, Isaac, Jacob, Job, Moses, Ruth, Naomi, King David, Daniel, Jesus Christ's followers, and many others to remain as worthless and useless dusts on earth forever,
instead,
in the right and proper time, and as written in John 11: 25, 26
he will let Jesus Christ RESURRECT them back to life so they can all happily and abundantly live and exist on earth forever as submissive and obedient subjects of the "KINGDOM of GOD" or His Kingdom
and fully enjoy his and his Christ's eternal love, kindness, goodness, generosities, compassions, favors, and blessings for eternity under the loving and kind rulership, guidance, and protection of Jesus Christ as his Chosen King and Ruler of the heavens and the earth as written in Revelation 11: 15.
That guy’s a terrible griller! Burns any meat he touches. But nooo, you have to say how much you love it or he’ll send you to the pain dimension…
"Hit me with your best shot! Fire away!"
Rick called in to talk about evolution and had no idea how it worked 😂
@kelvintonblortsmon2457
Before I retired, I worked at a company making new anatomy. So you are mistaken.
@kelvintonblortsmon2457 "It doesn't work. "
Yes,. it does...
Your lack of an education just means you're too stupid to comprehend it...
" There's no such thing as new anatomy"
Yes there is... Stop lying....
BBC Science focus:
"Are humans evolving an extra artery in the arm?
Humans are evolving an extra artery in the arm - BBC Science ...
"People born 80 years from now will all carry a median artery if the trend continues." Dr Lucas said the study demonstrates that humans are evolving at a faster rate than at any point in the past 250 years. The median artery is not the only example of ongoing human evolution.Oct 9, 2020"
Seriously why do you think telling easily refuted lies is going to convince anyone?
Are you really that stupid... We can all google the moronic things you post and see that not only are you always wrong... That they are stupid concepts as well....
@kelvintonblortsmon2457What evidence do you have that new structures don't happen? From what I've seen, new structures do happen.
I need Jake to understand that just because there's two possible outcomes, it doesn't inherently mean there a 50/50% chance of it happening.
For example, raffles. There's two outcomes: either I win, or I don't. But that doesn't mean that I have a 50% chance of winning. Your odds of winning in a raffle are [how many tickets you put in] over [how many tickets total are in]. If you bought exactly half the tickets, sure, you'd have 50/50 odds. But if you bought 1 tickets, and there are 1 million tickets sold, your odds of winning are one in a million.
Works not worked.
When Zach failed to realize they were just parroting his 'you know deep down you're wrong, you're just too arrogant to admit it' argument, I knew there was no hope. And I'm the one who drives my friends mad, insisting that religious people aren't just stupid or malicious. So you know it's dire when I give up on somebody.
I love this channel so much.. me and my husband listen to you guys almost everyday, my goal is to start financially supporting this channel by next month!
Ive been wanting to do that for a long time now, I love the education these guys and this channel supplies to everyone!
I really wish I had found you guys years ago! ❤😊
After well over a decade of watch the show, it amazes me how effort theists put into understanding not just the world around them, but even the words the host and co-host speak.
If they understood the things the hosts say, they wouldn't be theists. You can't be a theist and also be intellectually honest. They are mutually exclusive.
@@coletrickle1775I think that's a little reductive. I believe there are intellectual ways to argue for god, but most people are not that smart. Even debates with highly educated and pretty smart religious people don't exhibit that, because they are too invested in giving evidence, ANY evidence. So the good stuff completely drowns in fallacies and bad arguments.
I just watched a video on Alex O'Connor's channel about the argument from motion, which I think has some merits too it. I don't think it proves god's existence, and definitely not the Christian god, but I believe it's an intellectual and worthy endeavor to explore it.
You can point to an evil atheist but can't point to evil atheism. Let that sink through, no one has ever done evil because of not believing in something else; however in the name of different religions many atrocious events have happened many times in history.
Zach accusing the hosts of being arrogant when he himself is dripping in arrogance is incredibly frustrating.
Seth is the best. He helped me get through my own questions on tons, with his material.
Somedays, I sit back and really think about the fact that shows like this have to exist. The fact that there are real, living, breathing, (somehow) functioning people walking around among us that ACTUALLY believe there is a magic god that created everything, is watching us and is all powerful. They believe they know things about this god because they have their specific book out of hundreds that they are familiar with, and were just lucky enough to be raised with the correct book that details the exact characterization of the correct god(what are the odds? How lucky!). They believe the god not only knows about them, but loves them, cares about them, and wants to punish those who accidently got the wrong book due to geography and the happenstance of being born into the wrong family. And they give money to some of the most powerful people on the planet who claim to speak for the magical god, while they do heinous things to children and communities, and handicap the future of our species and civilization. And the kicker....the majority of the planet believes these crocks of s**t.
It is about to be 2024, and I can't help but reflect on all this yet again. It is hard to keep your sanity living in a world like this where most of the world live their lives based on old fairy tales... Seriously, I feel like the majority of the planet is in the midst of one of those fake IRS telephone scams. You just want to shake them and make their brains work right. But... The good news is, it's on the decline. Not in our lifetime, but hopefully several generations down the line, our ancestors will live in a world free of this nonsense. I am immensely thankful of this show in particular, that has helped me keep my sanity over the past two decades. Keep it up! For my brain's sake lol. To all my atheist brothers, sisters and non-binary siblings out there, we have the truth on our side, and I wish you all a very happy new year. 😊.
My thoughts as well. It's nice to hear someone else understands. It's disturbing now to remember how I gave money to a church years ago. When I pass churches that are under new construction/expansion it sickens me to know that they're not taxed. All the money involved, including tithing, could be put to better use supporting humanitarian needs. I became an atheist a few years ago, but have failed to find a person to directly communicate with that is also atheist.
Good to see like-minded people. I totally agree. I'm lucky enough to be born in Norway, so I'm blessed (no pun intended) with little religious influence. Hopefully the decline of delusional beliefs continue in the US as well.
I don't for a second believe they really believe what they say they believe. They cry at funerals instead of celebrating. They are trolls, all of them/
@@joecoolioness6399 I think many of them genuinely believe. Like most beliefs, I don't think people really reflect on them very deeply, though. It kind of gets ingrained in their daily routine, and they just parrot what their congregation says.
Forrest Valkai should be a future Dr. Who....he would be fabulous.
🎵All I want for Christmas is 🎶 ...JMike 🥰🤣
well,if he wants to, wouldn't force him into a festive box or anything 😅
You could get a life like doll with AI ….
@@heinz57channel39 I think not. Part of why I'm an atheist is because I care too much about what is real.
Being an atheist has been totally liberating. I needed that at 77.
Mike is so arrogant to assume he is perfect and can't be wrong? He keeps claiming that "no way could I be influenced by outside pressure, so God must have shown me he is real. Explain that Atheist!!"
Yeah my answer to you Mike is you are delusional if you think you can't be influenced by outside pressure because all of us are humans, all of us can be wrong and all of us can be manipulated into believing in BS for bad reasons.
He’s also so little understanding of societal influence as to think he was not indoctrinated. If he grew up in the US, he was. It’s unavoidable.
There are many animals with residual limbs. Whales, dolphins, seals, etc.
Human tail bones!
I enjoy the hubris of people arguing with Forrest about biology
Weird story, but …A few nights ago, I had a horrendous nightmare. Why my mind threw this in I don’t know. But Forrest appeared and hugged me - I’d like to add, it was totally platonic, I’m old enough to be his mum! He said, ‘I’ll stay until you wake up, make sure you’re okay.’ And he did! I did struggle to wake, there was a slight lucidity to the dream. I knew I needed to wake. And he encouraged me to wake up, saying I’d be safe when I did and it was just a dream. So, thanks, Forrest, I appreciated the help!!
Irony is lost on Zach. He's blissfully unaware of his own arrogance when he accuses 'all atheists of being too arrogant".
If he listened, instead of rambling at 100mp, he wouldn't sound so foolish.
Johnny's polite passive comments are always hilarious...i love it.
23:45 i actually like that argument a lot for Jmike. There's 0 counter besides saying it's not real
Notice how in call #3 (1:08) the caller uses the argument from design to claim 'perfection', then when Kenneth gives examples of imperfection the response given is 'this isn't a paradise'. So, perfect and not perfect simultaneously. Does reasoning like that bring you closer to belief, or push you farther away?
Christianity is 2,000 years old but mankind is a million years old. So what about all those years before the Savior came?
@kelvintonblortsmon2457More nonsense from the person with the imaginary friend!!! This is so damn funny.
@kelvintonblortsmon2457*I asked you a question: If a dog evolved into a unicellular parasite, would acknowledge that a CHANGE of KIND occurred?*
You ran away.
@kelvintonblortsmon2457 REPEATING: How did CARBON, spread out in the atmosphere as gas, become UNMIXED and concentrate into the log, such that burning can release it again, spreading it out into the atmosphere again? This is like the milk in coffee being UNMIXED and poured back into the bottle, then pouring it into another coffee!
☝️ Isn't this impossible??? But *HOW DID THE TREE DO IT?* Was it magic?
@kelvintonblortsmon2457
Jesus Christ dude, pick a lane.
I always bring that up when I argue with Christians. I always say if Jesus was worshipped by Homo Erectus, I'd say that something is behind it. As is, that 99% of people that walked the planet have never knew Jesus Christ.....we have believed in thousands of gods. They all proved to be imaginary. So how is the god of the Bible any different?
Good top 5. I enjoyed it very much.
Zach, please provide us with the exact mechanism that your god used to create anything? Magic? LMAO
Why do they STILL use Pascal's Wager? Even most apologists have said "This is not a good tactic."
I am gobsmacked - utterly, completely gobsmacked - at the levels of confrontation, ignorance and arrogance displayed (with pride, no less!) by these callers.
I was brought up, long ago, in England, 'culturally christian' but atheist.
Religion and belief, or lack thereof, is very rarely a matter for public _conversation_ - still less confrontation or argument here (although there are always a few idiots of course). It's considered a private matter - not offensive as such, but certainly inappropriate except in very specific circumstances.
Thank goodness!
Reminds me of a study some years back over multiple nations from around the world. Confidence vs test results. In this study the U.S. citizens scored themselves highest in confidence levels when it come to math and science abilities. After the actual tests, the U.S. scored dead last.
Caller from Armenia insults nonbelievers, what a wonderful display of religious behavior!
great job in casting these so incredible callers !
It's funny how people who invoke the USSR always have the most inaccurate understanding of its history
Seth, you speak good.
I just wrote a 5 star Yelp review for Forrest’s restaurant, because he fucking COOKED.
"My imaginary reality feels better than true reality so why would I believe in true reality?" -theists
Rodney, I made as much of a decision to be an atheist as you did in choosing to be hopeless at logical reasoning.
Damn that Zach guy really isn’t being hold back by ANY kind of knowledge
What language did the snake speak?
Ssssumerian maybe?🐍
Parceltongue
The one universal human language that existed up until the Tower of Babel, obviously. /s
It's not real
Edish
Hi,
Thank you for all the great work you are doing.
I would like to provide some constructive critisism:
At 1:38:00 when Johnny makes a pretty good point saying that the caller should proof that there is no unicorn in Johnny's garage.
You hold a mirror to the caller.
But it goes right over their head.
You are discussing unicorns (farting rainbows, becoming immortal by drinking their blood), I think it would be way more productive to explain what you are trying to accomplish with this instead.
I think sometimes there is an opportunity for a great conversation that you miss by making a great point but not in a language that the caller understands.
oh, christians know what unicorns are. they are in the bible. more than once too. unless they didn't read their own book.
We had to have Zach from dc. He’s easily the most lidicrous caller ever.
Love your presentations
JMIKE YOU OWNED!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!!
was thinking the same thing. he crushed it
Wishing my fellow atheists happy Holidays and a safe and healthy 2024.
This is the way I look at life you can wish what you want but there’s somebody that got up this morning. That’s not gonna go back to sleep an somebody went to sleep last night not going to see today and that’s the deal for life And one day you will be you
Mike TOTALLY gets private jets out of his congregation 🎉
Mike doesn’t believe a word he says. He’s selling snake oil and he is very much aware what he is doing.
Mikes argument is basically " I only believe in things that are real and I believe in God" 😅😅
i love how mike doesn't see the corrolation to proving a god isnt real and to proving a unicorn isnt real..
But would he see the correlation between his God and some other God? (Proving real/not real)
Well the unicorn is a made up thing duuuhhh
@@dragonhealer7588 he didn't.. he said "those others are made up"
@@chriskwakernaat2328
I missed that, but it's always true, from any religion, the "others" are always made up😕
@@dragonhealer7588 Probably not.
Rodney demonstrates the dunning-kruger effect beautifully
Even if god exists I wouldn't worship him, that doesn't mean I am denying his existence, that means I disagree with what they stand for and aren't giving reverence to them. Which frankly the slavery-allowing, genocidal one of the bible is one I would definitely have on that list.
People forget that worship is an action that necessarily implies "I agree with this thing and am dedicating time to praise it"
The last caller was pulling a Darth or Kent hovind move of when someone literally says "yes go on" while someone is talking, they act like you're interrupting them to dishonestly make it look like you're not letting them speak, and then filling in that time by complaining about it
Zach's monumental ignorance is matched by his hubris. The worst thing is his arguments for Islam are commonly used by many OTHER religions. Then along comes Mike to say he KNOWS another different god from Zach's actually exists yet he cannot seem to understand that people change their minds about all sorts of things all the time! This is priceless!
Zach offered absolutely nothing but poison-the-well insults. "You're arrogant, you're not logical, you're biased, you just don't want to believe, etc.,etc.,etc." He never made one real attempt to argue his own case. He was insulting and nasty-- a clearly vicious guy. I would have canceled him at a fraction of the time he was given to spew his poison.
1:28:14 feel like Dave kinda killed Forrest's momentum here
Zach's "it's too perfect for there to be multiple gods" is always a little funny to me. Incidentally, I've heard it from other Muslims as well.
They seem to be suggesting that a perfect being wouldn't be able to work as a team with other perfect beings to create this "too perfect" world. Does being perfect somehow preclude one from being a good team player? What a strange idea.
Can something perfect create anything that is not perfect? Wouldn't creating imperfect things make you not perfect?
@joecoolioness6399 whether they could is different from whether they would. I'd imagine people would answer "yes" to the former, and invoke god's mysteriousness or invent some contrivance for the latter. Either way, I haven't seen any good evidence for these claims.
I’m glad the number 1 call came to be the one where Johnny made me spit a beer out my nose on the original airing. Johnny I love you, but HOLD ON!! LOL
Why do theist callers refuse to give what made them believe? When I believed, I loved telling people why.
Probably because they know how stupid it sounds to sceptics
@@KulascusExactly! The call would've ended a lot sooner as well. Just like the call that a theist said he believed in the talking snake with Adam and Eve.😮
Because the answer is, well I was born and always believed because I was taught it
I have been hoping for someone mentioning Kohlberg and stages of moral development. I believe that religious people often do the right things for the wrong reasons.
Sorry, dopey comment.
Rick, generally speaking you don't say "exactly" when your point has been refuted. 🙄😄
JMike getting frustrated is definitely an experience I needed.
I appreciate a comment I once read that said, "If you need the threat of Hell to not steal, kill, etc...then you're not a good person, you're a monster on a leash!". Can anyone imagine what would happen back then if a woman said that she's a pregnant virgin? Also, if someone believes that everyone was born from Adam and Eve then that would mean that we are ALL brothers and sisters and related to one another...then what about DNA AND why are people going into war and killing them or even planning to kill them in the near future bc why? People can still be spiritual and meditate without believing and praying to any God...I ain't afraid of your Allah, I ain't afraid of your Yahweh, I ain't afraid of your Jesus...I'm afraid of what you do in the name of your God...
What does a god need with DNA and disease? You would just be born the way you are and die when that god has it on his calendar. Honestly, the whole thing is just ludicrous and anyone who still believes in any kind of god or spirit just hasn't thought it through.
Jmike and kenneth is a great combination
The last one is a champion of idiocy
Seth: inspirational, meaningful speech about the purpose of life
Caller: but what if there are good religions and bad atheists?
Call number 3 sounds like a stroppy teenager who really needs to grow up.
I really feel JMike’s frustration at the extremely arrogant idiocy on display.
EVERY one of these callers feels they have what it takes to defend their position, and NONE of them are anywhere CLOSE to being aware --and that they are a million miles away from doing so.
76 year old woman here. Man, you guys are hot!!
Yes, and I'm not even a woman.
Do not agree, but still like them a lot.
Mike is incredibly highly suggestable 😅😅