Marshall PLEASE do this...
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- Опубліковано 7 лют 2025
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I checked out Marshall at the 2025 NAMM show and they had some cool stuff like the new modified series of amps with the modded Plexi and JCM800 but I'm scratching my head trying to figure out why Marshall hasn't released anything digital, anything like the Tonemasters from fender.... in a pedal form or plug in or anything!
If Marshall, Fender and Vox actually ran their companies properly, there wouldn’t be other amp companies. They literally invented 90% of the tones everyone uses to this day. If it wasn’t for their incompetence, other companies wouldn’t exist.
I’m not that worried about amp companies since digital came about. However, Gibson can crumble down to the ground and go bankrupt as far as I’m concerned.
I feel like those companies have run their course. When they start, it's "build it like we'd want it" then they become successful, gain investors, and the bean counters take over and it becomes "make it for less".
I remember when the Scholz Rockman stuff came out their byline was: "Sounds just like a cranked Marshall".
@@area51audioThe bean counters ruin everything eventually.
and now we have ToneX... so we can get all of the amps and not have to spend thousands of dollars... Game changer. ❤
I've put together 18 pedal boards based around various "budget" drive pedals. The ones that I believe have nailed the vintage sound are the $40 JOYO "Sound" pedals. I have a bunch of them. I love them.
The Joyo Oxford is a main pedal for me. Bought the American when it was $20
Marshall is going through it now, after Terry Marshall and family sold the legendary amp manufacture to Zounds almost two years ago, (retaining 20% of the company), they have now been sold again.
HongShan Capitol Group, a Hong Kong based private equity company, purchased Marshall a few weeks ago for $1.15 billion. Who knows what's in store for Marshall going forward.
It's over!! They aren't really a amp company anymore
I’ve always questioned the place of FRFR cabs in the market, I owned a Kemper cab and liked it, but at home I always preferred playing thru my monitors and the gigs I played at the time were silent stage. Now I play gigs where I can use amps on stage and I think theres no FRFR that can sound as good as a real cab. The best solution, again in my opinion, is send a direct signal from your modeler or profiler with IR to FOH and send a signal without IR to a power amp to power a cab on stage. No FRFR will sound like that.
Wait for Peavey's Musician amp that should be out this summer. It's a dual channel 12" tube amp. Channel 1 is guitar/instrument input while Channel 2 is a line level input for modeler's. So instead of 4 cable or plugging in to the return of the effects loop, you can switch between channels. Channel 2 uses the tube driven power amp . Thomman's did a NAMM Peavey video and they spoke about it while briefly showing it.
That was my exact reaction to the pedals too, seems like such a date idea, it's been done so many times already and most people would make more use off the UA Lion. They should be making their own version of the Lion or the IRX etc with the Marshall name on it.
Within 2-3 months of trying one for the first time, I acquired the Lion, Enigmatic, Dream, plus a Max preamp/compressor. Honestly I’ve never even tried other modelers like Kemper, HX, Tonex, etc. But I’m so impressed with the UA stuff. It’s been really fun and the mobile app could definitely use some attention on their end but it’s not prohibitive for me practicing at home
Edit- I use the fender frfr 12 with them
I was perplexed by the pedals as well. If they had made actual preamp pedals, with other whistles, like the Friedman IR--* series. THat I think would have been lauded and wanted.
I told my son about your channel and he said "oh yeah he's a worship guitarist", my son is a worship guitarist as well and he plays a 1979 Greco EG700 Standard and a 1980's Greco SG Standard among other guitars 👍
Sounding great!
Marshall should have come out with a Modeling Pedalboard or new Modeling Amp!
Yeah cuz the code was such a hit 😂
@@misterknightowlandco I know many hated the Code but i have the Code 25w and the 50w,the problem with the Marshall Code amps is the Factory Speaker that is mainly in the Code 50w not sounding good,i changed mine to VINTAGE ALNICO type and it is a nite and day difference,i run various OD pedals in front of it and get very good tones out of it!
If Fender gave me a Princeton pedal with two or three IR options to switch between and a black or silver face aesthetic to the pedal, I would be throwing money at that. I am in 100% silent stage mentality, but if you could give me that with a tube in it for the preamplike tone king did. It would be a no-brainer.
I just got a Chorus Vibrato and a Tremolo Pedal and I don't have to work now. And I have Universal Orlando Annual Passes. It's on. I'll watch this omw home from not working. ❤
That sounds like a great day!
Marshall's competitive advantage at this point isn't technology - it is their brand on a cabinet or amp on stage. That is why the Fender Tonemaster amps are such a success... they solve many problems - sound great, are lightweight, direct out, no maintenance, but more importantly they look the part. They stay true to the aesthetic of a classic design that we've seen throughout rock history.
I agree with you 100%!!! Amp in a box like UAD, Friedman, TC, etc... Why not some preamps with IRs or even a JMP-1 floor... a lot of ideias.
Or.... just get a ToneX spend another 200 bucks on models and done son !!!
What about the Marshall CODE series? 25, 50, 100?
In that series of amps, you could pull up some great Marshall tones. I’d love to see them update their amps IR/Amps in the CODE series and make a CODE pedal (Line 6 POD Express)
I think having 5 iconic Marshall amps in one pedal would be great
The CODE became very good after the updates.
So I agree with you.I have an original 1987 Silver Jubilee and the SV20H.Marshall will most likely do a CODE for the future.
Since 1980 Jim Marshall never cared what players wanted. You think we asked him to change the JMP and stop making it? You think we asked him to change the JTM-45?? Marshall has NEVER cared what players want. In the 80s nobody asked for the JCM800 or the JMP-1 Rack Preamp. We didnt ask for the JCM900 and we sure as fuck didnt ask for the Mode 4! Marshall has been so out of touch with the market that Friedman hes become one of the biggest amp companies in the world. All Marshall had to do was re-issue the JMP then do a Modded Version with the extra gain stage. There would be literally NO Marshall clones out there, the only reason we play Soldano, Friedman, Metropolus, or any other boutique amp make is because Marshall never made them. They are coming to the party too late once again. Its AMAZING to me how they are still in business.
The 90s Marshall made a product called the direct recording preamp which was basically a JCM 900 preamp in a in a desktop pedal format. They need to make that with a professionally shot Marshall impulse response foot switch and on board 15 DB boost before the preamp And it would be their best selling product by far especially if they could get in around 200 bucks.
Very fun on how i disagree with you on almost everything you said haha...but that's what makes the world fun right? i love your content and your way of putting new subjects and themes on channel.
I'm the part of guitar players that LOVE the Marshall Origin amp series, best clean tone ever i LOVE IT.
Every brand is putting out there their amp in a box thing, the new marshall pedals are just their new modern take on that and i think it will sell a LOT.
Nobody wants the digital crap anymore....so the new modded classic amps are a fantastic take.
The brand needed cash, now it's got it, new products will come up sooner than you can expect, what they are doing with this new series is music to my ears!
that "ali wanidu" joke was great 😂
I agree with you. When I was younger I bought the line 6 bean and so on. I would use it with headphones in the middle of the night. I could play without waking everybody up. If Marshall did this, it would be cool. I have a Kemper now. But do it for the beginners. Yes Yes.
A lot of people are saying the same things basically. I am interested in one of their new pedals, but it does seem like a missed or wasted opportunity .
These kids without big budgets are going to buy a cheap modeller/profiler dude, they're gonna buy a ToneX one, or a Sonicake Matribox II or something affordable like that. Then they'll get their parents to buy a cheap FRFR for jamming, and it's all gonna be way cheaper than buying amp stuff.
Marshall has to realize amps are dead in the water. They'll be around, but as the main game? Nope. Marshall needs a competitive series of modellers/profilers, and not at an exorbitant price. And they also need more affordable amps that don't suck for the people that really want an amp without huge budgets. Traditionally, everything that was affordable by Marshall pretty much sucked. But you can buy an Orange solid state much much cheaper and it's almost as good as their top of the line Rockerverb stuff. You can't just live off top of the line amps, coz not many people can afford them. Heck, I play in a band, I don't want to look at an amp ever again, I've got a Helix, I've got a Laney 2x12 FRFR, it all cost less than top of the line amp stuff, and it sounds really great. I'm only going to upgrade the modeller at some point, I may even buy a second Laney FRFR 2x12. Guthrie Govan uses two of them.
Typical "tone junkie" who's blind to other people's needs. The Marshall pedals are for those who want to get a Marshall sound and feel part of the family who might not have the money or desire to splash out on the actual amps.
I see it as Marshall saying "all these other companies like TC and UA are making preamps including copying or "inspired by" our amps, so we should put out something that rivals it." I do believe there is a market for it, but in agreeance with what you have suggested, it is not that big of a market considering many people already have some type of Marshall in a box pedal or preamp.
We need a marshall style "orange dual baby" lunchbox, sick of carrying my jvm around, I think im gonna have to get the orange
The 20 watt 900 sounds way better than the OG
I'm here for my daily dose of TJ, good morning. i'm a guy that just plays in bedroom, my little mooer ge150 amp sim works fine for my needs. If marshall made a small thing i'd get it sure.
The thing is, everything is some sort of variation of the base of Marshall and Fender. Most are just minor mods. Boutique amps you are going to pay alot for, but they are not overly commercially available. Those amps put together don't do the kind of numbers Fender and Marshall do, same with pedals. The cost to bring that kind of manufacturing is quite difficult. And you are right, Fender/Marshall/Fox/Gibson, they aren't the best with that tech stuff. Could they buy in, what if they fail? It's gonna take a lot to catch up to Helix and the other major players in that space. The Marshall CODE series was not well received, they probably know they have to do better, it's gonna take some time. The Fender Tonemaster series of amps might have sold more units, but only because they were cheaper than their real counterparts. But in comparison with the original amps, the original amps still sound better.
I also think there's one major issue with the tech stuff, what happens when the stuff gets old? Three iPhones later, now you don't have the app that makes that pedal work? Buy the latest one? Good thing they are cheap but why not buy one Marshall/Gibson/Fender, you can get it serviced. They can have a long life. Marshall's line out with the Studio 900 says, use any loadbox/IR boxes that everyone seems to have, let them deal with all that tech issues. These tech stuff burn out fast, they are obsolete in a year.
Aeytch Dubiya, what a strange name for parents to give a child. 😂
is it possible that weird designs are coming out that don't seem to fit pedal boards because of patent restrictions. In Automotive , you cant even build a new lugnut for a car without swimming through miles of legal work. Hence.. no two cars have the same lug nut.
I would pay 500 euros for the Softube-Marshall amp in a box pedal if it would only have 1 amp model and 2 cabs. I paid 400 euros for the Dream '65 pedal, and I think it's worth it and it's really, really good. I'm a simple guy, I don't need 20 amps. One amp, two cabs. Left and right. That's it.
You can make captures from other amp software. I’ve done it with the tonex software.
I totally agree with what you said about Marshall needing to make their own version of a tonemaster amp!! I’ve commented about this before on UA-cam and I think it would be a big seller. Also, vox needs to do the same as well. I mean, the Nutube technology is a cool and forward thinking innovation, but they too, would benefit from creating a tonemaster version. Just my two cents worth.
4:05 or did you mean... PERPLEXI?!?! xD
These titles since NAMM aren’t spelling out anything. I thought we were going to get the cryptic answer to if there is a toneX Floor or something in the works? 😂
If they would put out a pedal with models of their legendary amps, 4 foot switches, midi compatible, an effect loop, IR loader and separate outputs for front of house and stage amp it would kill if the models are good. They don't need built in effects.
And so what if an EL34 powered cab colors the sound. That's all Marshall uses.
Simple resolution here.....Friedman Amplification.
I think Marshall needs to come up with a platform a like Fractal. But sepperate the hardware from the software. Make the hardware cabable of loading other manufacturers software plus NAM adoption. That will put software standardization in thier hands if they can set themselfs as the benchmark. So what Im saying if another company wants to put thier OS on a Marshall platform they will need to conform it to the hardware.
When we have things like the Sonicake Pccket Master and what that thing can do for 65 bucks now is just insane!! This is going to devalue everything on market. That thing can do what $500 units cant!
Didn't Marshall's new CEO hint in an interview last year that they were planning to take another shot at the amp modeler / multi-effects game? KDH covered it in a video a while back... The CODE series I've heard was good if you learn to dial it in after the updates but overall it was a massive flop!
Helix rules...the tube has been superseded
Taking a tube overdrive like a bk butler tube driver in front of a ToneX pedel and done son !!!! All the bad ass amps.... like Marshalls... plexis, doubles, soldono etc.... such a game changer. And only 400 bucks... another 200 or so for the models. They are so good now... you could blindfold someone and they would not be able to tell the difference. ❤
Nice HW
Did you know Joe Bonamassa gives away his celestian green backs in Nashville every 30 to 40 shows ? You might be able to get some if you know the right people. He said he only uses them when they’re new.
Which is funny because a lot of people swear by breaking in speakers and some even use programmed noise to break in the speakers. It would be cool to have some speakers broken in by Joe himself. All I know is guitar players are weird when it comes to tone woo woo.
Marshall need to make a modeller that doesnt just sound a one trick pony marshall...lol
Marshall does not want to make a new Modeling unit or Modeling Amp with there Marshall Amp Sims that sound good because they would rather sell there real Tube versions of these amps!
Is Guitar Friends dead? I blame Dan Lombardi. 😜
Yes Marshall lost there chance at Modeling!
ToneX is taking over !!!!
Marshall lost their way decades ago, trading on their history and punting out the same old stuff. No innovation. The new modded amps are missing the point. It's not really amp company anymore as only 5% of turnover is amps these days. It's not a amp company any more...now owned by China!! It's over...
Finally i am not the only one not impressed by these wannabe Marshall .The JHS AT+ kills all the 5 pedals . And more the JHS has a boost .
It seems Marshall is just doing enough with their amps to stay relevant while they make all their money elsewhere.
Marshall were doomed once LOUD was no longer ALLOWED!!
Marshall has always shot themselves in the foot and painfully slow with innovating. I am a Marshall player forever but they have always been slow when keeping up with technology and players have to depend on other companies to release products that Marshall should have developed
so, a Chinese company just bought Marshall.
Marshall will soon be looking at things with brand new squinty eyes.
Lol Marshall seems to be so out of touch with reality. They finally release modded marshalls when friedman and others beat them to the punch a long time ago. Why not make the amp in a pedals. They can even put tubes in it like the Friedman IR devices or that new Tone King. I like your power amp idea too because thats something i would like while using my Friedman IR-D. I can go direct to my board and maybe send something to a speaker.
If Marshall is sold to a Chinese outfit, it's bad. I'm not a fan of buying Chinese stuff. Their government is cartoonishly evil. British companies need to produce their products in their country if possible.