Big respect for not skipping PvP changes :) The changes are actually quite huge. It means that we dont have to choose between PvE and PvP progression. We can now do m+ and PvP on the SAME character without beeing behind. Its an amazing change.
TBH leech and avoidance shouldn't scale with ilvl, so they don't get so silly at the end of the expansion and so irrelevant at the start. Can have it scale with required level so that levelling/last expansion gear doesn't give much if that's a concern.
Not sure what to think about the frost dk changes. Maybe it’ll feel better having a more powerful base kit with less frequent pillar windows?? But I’m also sad that obliteration isn’t buffing the frost strikes. That felt good.
A note on mongoose fury, I personally enjoy when things extend cooldowns longer. Instead of a maintenance buff direction, I think it would be cool if pressing mongoose fury extended some other big cooldown so it became specifically exciting to press.
Notable exclusion from the leech+avoidance nerfs is the Shaman class tree single point node that grants both 2% leech and 2% "avoidance" (not sure if it is counted as avoidance in stats, but it does the same thing) Granted it could just be that this node will be addressed with the Shaman changes.
@@GUkraine Shaman used to be my main from Vanilla all the way up to Shadowlands. I finally gave up on it because it had become grossly bloated and just a gigantic whack-a-mole spec. Finally decided to try Survival out during Shadowlands and fell in love.
I like the idea for Warrior's to make Demolish tied to Thunder Clap's range. And now that Blood and Thunder is baseline and we can run Crackling Thunder again, this would also tie into increasing Demolish's range.
About the shadowpan change: It's pretty irrelevant. Stacks are capped at 10 currently and you can only discharge them after spending 400 energy (arround 30-35 sec). Previously you could get to 10 stack in 1-2 gcd. Even if it takes more time it won't really matter as you will reach the cap anyway.
from what i understand about arcane, they dont need anymore charge procs right now. its so easy to get 4 charges constantly. And the missiles changes apparently have severly impacted the viability of missiles build in single target. Though I don't know too much, still slowly learning arcane as we get closer to TWW. Glad to see changes though. cant wait to see shaman changes next week. enh is super fun already so if they change that at all and make it better i might be swayed away from arcane
@@Daimyo- i agree and put another talent to pick just to get harmony. They were doing fine with the way it was, not sure who asked for these or why they went this way at all. I really wish there was one dev to talk to just to hear their thought process on some of these changes. They did make arcane easier to play but now it feels like pressing random buttons where it used to have methodical process for an effect.
Hello Sir, It has come to my attention that you have a good deal of influence with Blizzard. I would like to suggest that you make a video + a PoddyC episode + convince all of your homies to make videos re: m+ rewards. Now that Blizzard has FIXED m+ affixes and scaling, if they could just introduce more rewards at the various stages, then I could be a happy gamer. Thank you for taking my request into consideration, Timmy Two Tones
Really wish totemic projection and other totem related talents weren't seperate buttons but instead just make you able to do something like move it by pressing the bind again. Shaman feels so bloated cus of those important but not in the least fun or cool spells.
Chi doesn't work as it is an ww exclusive ressource. Charge generation on energy spent could be either a really good hit or big miss. Energy spent was in the flurry cycle but was largely disliked because energy classes don't like haste at all in general. It could either make haste more valuable or be ignored entirely and leave it as a pseudo cooldown.
It's probably a good idea. We have been burned with empty promises too many times. I looking forward to seeing what they are going to change and hopefully it's good.
Classes like dh leech is ridiculous! I'd like to see them give dps dhs a heal and pull away from leech to get them on the level of every other class that has to use a gcd defensively instead of blowing offensive cds.
The only thing VDH needed is a debuff that makes them die every 60 seconds while in combat. And with any point in the hero tree you reduce that chance by 1% while also reducing resource generation and stamina by 10%. Easy solve.
I wish they would just add a way to get tertiary stats that you desire - like once you are full sockets you just buy leech/avoidance (oh, and let blacksmiths make an item to make your gear indestructible). Rather than nerfing them to not matter.
@@martynjeffries937 not sure what you mean. You can already add sockets and they don't count as a tertiary stat. So you can have avoidance rating plus an added socket on a piece of gear. It would probably be a niche situation to gem a tertiary stat over your preferred secondary stat
@@Daimyo-Netherwalk : 6 second , can't hit and can't move when u are cc , blur : 50 dodge IS fck rng , and it's all DH dps u have 1 cd def and 1 immune when in pal or mage u have all
My hope is that if they keep nerfing this new version of wildfire infusion, they'll just revert it back to the colored bombs. Also I am not a fan of the Flanking Strike change, if my monk experiences have taught me anything that leap is going to get me killed eventually.
if it feels "required" just give players a path to gain leech and avoidance..... that is not random this whole buying super expensive boes just because it has the random roll on it is just dumb, especially now in awakened season when there are 3 seaons of boes available
Avoidance nerf seems like the opposite of what I’d like to see with defensives. Much rather see less active defensives and a tuning pass with those changes
Still crossing my fingers someone on the dev team realizes that shadow and arcane having casted cooldowns is one of the worst feeling things in the entire game.
Terrible flanking strike change. I really hope they do a WW skyreach change to it. Either flanking strike or make your pet stomp aoe every 4th KC. Been maining sv since bfa and flanking strike is toxic
i think in addition to nerfing it, they should soft cap it earlier and make the drop rate much higher on gear with the stats. might be a season 4 thing, but in theory, you could get myth pieces with leech every week in vault and just destroy every other player in self sustain just by winning the leech lottery, like on live now, getting 4 leech pieces on dh is an entire frailty stack o f self healing, that is pretty nuts, i have one big leech piece and leech is one of my biggest heals on a tank, in aoe packs.
Blizzard: avoidance reduces too much dmg. Also Blizzard: let's make random unavoidable dmg do more dmg than people's max HP and not communicate any of it properly through game mechanics.
Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if this is mostly targeted to affect tanks the most. Tanking got ridiculously easy in dragonflight and this might be what they're doing in order to make healers feel more impactful during the fight instead of everyone just sustaining themselves (ie the MDI runs that were finished without healers) through defensives, avoidance, and leech. Not saying that avoidance and leech were overpowered, but it might be a tuning knob they at least want to experiment with instead of going through each class' defensives.
Not sure what it is with you guys but you spend more time talking about Survival Hunter than any other spec in the game. Nobody has ever played this spec and never will.
Can someone explain how reducing how much avoidance and leech players have via talents have any effect on how powerful the stats are on gear. Would like to know.
@@Gordonfreems That does not make the reason they STATED for nerfing it on Gear work my dude. The reason stated is this blizzard speaking our goal is for pieces with those stats to remain valuable, but for the gap between players with and without them to be closer End of blizzard speaking. This has nothing to with talents by their own spoken goals of doing the nerf.
@@brander7453 That might be the reason for sure but those used Off healing from Priest and Shaman and Druid to do it. Because they have abilities that convert damage done to healing. And while this verywell might be the reason it does not really track with what blizzard actually said.
I think there's a further goal you are missing, that wasn't written here but was mentioned in their recent wowhead interview. They see these stats as something that locks them into the maligned healing philosophy we've had for DF, so want to decrease them in all sources. @@havtor007
To put it simply, Havoc DHs are VERY unhappy right now. I would suggest going through the DH feedback thread if you can find it. Our *only* class/spec tree changes this entire alpha/beta have been overarching design philosophy changes that resulted in nerfs, but weren't targeting us specifically. We have numerous issues with our class and spec trees that have not been addressed at all and our feedback is falling on deaf ears. There have been no changes for fel-scarred which is extremely undertuned and has some design/gameplay issues of it's own, but they are massively overshadowed by the abomination that is the aldrachi reaver tree. In aoe it is has a very restrictive and unfun playstyle that requires near perfect play, with any small mistake (or mechanic targeting you) in your 20ish button opener completely dumpstering your dps. In single target it recently swung to the total opposite problem, where the build is very reminiscent of shadowlands s3 sinful brand playstyle. You take out just about every fun aspect of the spec so that you are *only* playing the hero tree and chaos strike spamming the boss, which no one wants to play. That's not even getting into the almost invisible visuals each tree has. Throughout all of this we have also had zero communication from devs.
@@MrJray20 first off, mages got reworked 4 months before us and have been getting the most out of this whole alpha/beta cycle despite also being significantly better than havoc DH ever since their rework, so that is an incredibly worthless reason to not receive changes. 2nd, our rework was so minuscule that the dev working on it straight up told us before we saw it that we probably shouldn't even have been referring to it as a rework as it was NOWHERE near the scale that mages or paladins received earlier. 3rd, while that "rework" addressed *some* issues with the class it left many more and was also very clearly done with the season 3 tier set in mind, which we will not only be losing but have also been told there is not intention of working a version of it into the talent tree. 4th, there are supposed to be different devs for different classes for a reason. The whole concept of "let them work on this class first, you'll get your turn" is extremely detrimental to a beta where we are *supposed* to be able to give feedback to updates before it is too late to actually make changes based on that feedback. 5th, I don't understand this bizarre attitude of "my class hasnt had attention so you shouldnt either." Literally who does it help? I am happy that shaman finally had a post telling them that *anything* is coming, but im pissed about DH. Those two things can happen at the same time.
@@zuralani1 I didn’t say anything about mages nor is shaman my class. I played dh for a while and you guys will be just fine, they love dh too much. Shaman gets zero love if you just look around
@@Illidonkers more changes that have helped the class how much? 0. Dh has felt great and been busted for seasons now. They’ll hit your beloved edgy class, but you don’t deserve it first
@@spellingb6569 I was being slightly hyperbolic but I would say we have some of the worst utility in the game. If you're gonna "um actually," provide what abilities you think provide useful utility. Why would anyone bring a warrior to a M+ instead of a paladin? Why would any pug invite a warrior at all?
@@mikehamman645 I’m not um-actuallying you. You said something that’s false. I never said an m+ group will spring to invite warriors, they obviously have no reason to do so. Every raid comp in rwf brings a warrior for rally. You have intimidating shout. Shockwave. Not ideal but not 0.
@@spellingb6569 after rally’s nerf it’s basically garbage. Shockwave is on the second to last talent row so it’s harder to get than any other aoe stun - and it’s a cone. Not even an aoe. We have battle shout but the amount of dps that brings relative to a DH buff is pretty terrible. The point in my comment was to give warrior something (lust? A cleanse with intercept?) that allows us to participate in m+ and doesn’t make us a class you basically never bring if you can help it. I’m not talking about raid- they have one spot in raid. But in m+ they are basically non existent.
I hate that they tune anything based on "extremely high keys." That scene is so far removed from the average player's experience that it should hardly be considered. All this does, honestly, is hurt normal players who need that little bump in survivability to make it through encounters. If they want the difference between having tertiary stats and not be less then why not just remove them?
@@AndrewATP Sure, we could always get better, but Leech/Avoidance are nice buffers for those on the journey. Also, I think Dratnos is arguing against DR cycling in this video and I tend to agree; mplus bosses shouldn't be designed with the notion that we're plotting out our DR for them 2 min in advance, most of the time.
@@walrusdojo I mean, thats quite a big part of playing non-tank on higher keys, you have to figure out how to survive x mechanic on keylevel y. You kinda get these scenarios in an infinite scaling system where a boss ability starts to one-shot and if that wasnt the case, where should the difficulty be then? I mean you could turn the binary oneshot mechanics into a big healing check where you would also need to press your defensive cooldowns at some point.. but on topic, tertiary stats are just dumb, they are gained through pure rng or spending $$$ for raidboe's. People that have these items have a BIG advantage over people that dont have them and there is no deterministic way to get them aside from spending the big bucks, so into the bin with that..
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if dratnos has 1 fan, it is me
Because you blow the best
And me
If dratnos has 0 fans, I am kill
And me
The last time I was this early, Dratnos was still raiding from a submarine in the MNS at 5:31 am in the morning.
Big respect for not skipping PvP changes :)
The changes are actually quite huge. It means that we dont have to choose between PvE and PvP progression.
We can now do m+ and PvP on the SAME character without beeing behind.
Its an amazing change.
TBH leech and avoidance shouldn't scale with ilvl, so they don't get so silly at the end of the expansion and so irrelevant at the start. Can have it scale with required level so that levelling/last expansion gear doesn't give much if that's a concern.
Or just slam a +1% as a tertiary on a piece and no need to worry about scaling at all. Will stay consistent throughtout expansions :)
Not sure what to think about the frost dk changes. Maybe it’ll feel better having a more powerful base kit with less frequent pillar windows?? But I’m also sad that obliteration isn’t buffing the frost strikes. That felt good.
You should put your camera on the right when sharing text that's almost all on the left.
yes
Big tech
Big brain
"We've added random things!"
"We've also removed random things we added an expansion or 2 ago!"
- Blizzard every expansion
A note on mongoose fury, I personally enjoy when things extend cooldowns longer. Instead of a maintenance buff direction, I think it would be cool if pressing mongoose fury extended some other big cooldown so it became specifically exciting to press.
Notable exclusion from the leech+avoidance nerfs is the Shaman class tree single point node that grants both 2% leech and 2% "avoidance" (not sure if it is counted as avoidance in stats, but it does the same thing)
Granted it could just be that this node will be addressed with the Shaman changes.
If monk is any indicator that's a preview/hint that the talent has been removed.
Also possible that they forgot Shamans exist.
@@Vadered99 memes aside their massive rework is being showcased next week so no.
@@GUkraine Memes are funnier though.
@@GUkraine Shaman used to be my main from Vanilla all the way up to Shadowlands. I finally gave up on it because it had become grossly bloated and just a gigantic whack-a-mole spec. Finally decided to try Survival out during Shadowlands and fell in love.
I like the idea for Warrior's to make Demolish tied to Thunder Clap's range. And now that Blood and Thunder is baseline and we can run Crackling Thunder again, this would also tie into increasing Demolish's range.
WoW Devs designing Monk abilities to have poor scaling? I am SHOCKED
About the shadowpan change: It's pretty irrelevant. Stacks are capped at 10 currently and you can only discharge them after spending 400 energy (arround 30-35 sec). Previously you could get to 10 stack in 1-2 gcd. Even if it takes more time it won't really matter as you will reach the cap anyway.
Dratty Daddy coming in clutch with the updates ❤❤
You should title your patch note reaction videos “Dratnotes”
No.
this is the way
from what i understand about arcane, they dont need anymore charge procs right now. its so easy to get 4 charges constantly. And the missiles changes apparently have severly impacted the viability of missiles build in single target. Though I don't know too much, still slowly learning arcane as we get closer to TWW. Glad to see changes though. cant wait to see shaman changes next week. enh is super fun already so if they change that at all and make it better i might be swayed away from arcane
not sure why they added more talents to arcane, we are already pressed on points to get mandatory stuff, especially for AOE
new arcane talents are garbage by every metric and in fact ruined the spec. terrible minor dmg increase bloat.
@@Daimyo- i agree and put another talent to pick just to get harmony. They were doing fine with the way it was, not sure who asked for these or why they went this way at all. I really wish there was one dev to talk to just to hear their thought process on some of these changes. They did make arcane easier to play but now it feels like pressing random buttons where it used to have methodical process for an effect.
People need to learn to press their defensives anyway
Hello Sir,
It has come to my attention that you have a good deal of influence with Blizzard. I would like to suggest that you make a video + a PoddyC episode + convince all of your homies to make videos re: m+ rewards.
Now that Blizzard has FIXED m+ affixes and scaling, if they could just introduce more rewards at the various stages, then I could be a happy gamer.
Thank you for taking my request into consideration,
Timmy Two Tones
Really wish totemic projection and other totem related talents weren't seperate buttons but instead just make you able to do something like move it by pressing the bind again. Shaman feels so bloated cus of those important but not in the least fun or cool spells.
Shaman is the perfect class, no need for changes, trust me bro.
big shaman rework has been announced by blizz.
@@markuslc1888 Yeah they're changing the visual effects of ghost wolf and changing the icon 🤣
@@markuslc1888 get ready for damage increased by 3% 🤣
@@edenite or a new glyph for hex
Shadopan flurry charges should be based on chi or energy expenditures
Chi doesn't work as it is an ww exclusive ressource. Charge generation on energy spent could be either a really good hit or big miss. Energy spent was in the flurry cycle but was largely disliked because energy classes don't like haste at all in general. It could either make haste more valuable or be ignored entirely and leave it as a pseudo cooldown.
memes on shamans will never end.
Im teling ya. I refuse to get my hopes up until i see the shaman changes and they are actually good changes
It's probably a good idea. We have been burned with empty promises too many times. I looking forward to seeing what they are going to change and hopefully it's good.
Hope you end up happy
They could just set a cap for avoidance and leech instead. Around %10-12 would make sense.
Classes like dh leech is ridiculous! I'd like to see them give dps dhs a heal and pull away from leech to get them on the level of every other class that has to use a gcd defensively instead of blowing offensive cds.
That reaver change is directed at VDH. Seems like that hero tree is only geared towards raid parsing as tank.
The only thing VDH needed is a debuff that makes them die every 60 seconds while in combat. And with any point in the hero tree you reduce that chance by 1% while also reducing resource generation and stamina by 10%. Easy solve.
@@peterpain6625what a lengthy and fictional way to say that you mained a different tank in S3/4
gahhhh, my ears are bleeding from dr atnos reading the pvp section
mongoose fury wasn’t unique, it was like festermight, which also got changed
Shaman raid buff.. poggers.
Wouldn’t be better to lower the diminishing returns threshold? Then one is great, two is fair and three+ is low value
should've put Shaman (REAL) in the timestamp :(
Dratnos, fair and balanced!
So they nerf DH leech but not rogues recuperate and healing shadows talent
So did hunter leech from Ferocity pets get nerved? That 10% goes a long way.
Nerfed*
it did, dropped down to 6% sadly. That leech was nuts for living as a surv hunter
@@FoliumSakura yep, absolutely. Survival is the only remaining spec in retail that I enjoy playing.
@@FoliumSakura I've been playing the beta last couple of days. It's actually down to 4% now.
I wish they would just add a way to get tertiary stats that you desire - like once you are full sockets you just buy leech/avoidance (oh, and let blacksmiths make an item to make your gear indestructible). Rather than nerfing them to not matter.
Or tertiary gems?
@@martynjeffries937 not sure what you mean. You can already add sockets and they don't count as a tertiary stat. So you can have avoidance rating plus an added socket on a piece of gear. It would probably be a niche situation to gem a tertiary stat over your preferred secondary stat
@@gryphemn45 niche indeed but fun
dratnos upload a video of you reading the shaman notes so i dont have to (i cant read or write)
Sadness. Prot warrior had the 10% prepatch leech
The leech nerf for Havoc DH is weird. DH hat always that leech, it was a spec defining feature. Now having the same as everyone else makes no sense
nowadays they get blur + nether + ton of other crap in the same time though.
@@Daimyo-and now u nerf leech for dh dps hahaha it's very Boring DH dps it's useless now
@@Daimyo-Netherwalk : 6 second , can't hit and can't move when u are cc , blur : 50 dodge IS fck rng , and it's all DH dps u have 1 cd def and 1 immune when in pal or mage u have all
So shaman need to use a talent and an extra gcd so the hero talent isnt wasted, sounds like great design, keep up the good work
Supposed to be large changes coming next week
My hope is that if they keep nerfing this new version of wildfire infusion, they'll just revert it back to the colored bombs. Also I am not a fan of the Flanking Strike change, if my monk experiences have taught me anything that leap is going to get me killed eventually.
Avoidance and leech should've went byebye with multistrike after WOD ended
if it feels "required" just give players a path to gain leech and avoidance..... that is not random
this whole buying super expensive boes just because it has the random roll on it is just dumb, especially now in awakened season when there are 3 seaons of boes available
Avoidance nerf seems like the opposite of what I’d like to see with defensives.
Much rather see less active defensives and a tuning pass with those changes
Its sucks to be a demon hunter not even going to level mine..lol.
So this means you need more avoidance now lol?
Great now I have to pray for tertiary even harder now and still never get them
Still crossing my fingers someone on the dev team realizes that shadow and arcane having casted cooldowns is one of the worst feeling things in the entire game.
At least they didn't nerf speed 😬
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If it makes said rogue orange and babbling ridiculous nonsense all the time i'd vote for it ;)
Shadow priest still not fine and getting 0% work wth are does guys doing
I swear if Expel harm does not return until TWW releases I will quit this game for they have made my favorite class play like a Level 2 Rogue....
But but dispelling is the healer's job!!!!111 ;)
@@peterpain6625 not sure if you don't know the spell, or trolling me...
Hi dratnos, from everybody
Imagine being the DH team and only having to work on 2 hero talents and you cant even get one of them right
Wat?! No Wolfram Alpha? smh.
Terrible flanking strike change. I really hope they do a WW skyreach change to it. Either flanking strike or make your pet stomp aoe every 4th KC. Been maining sv since bfa and flanking strike is toxic
i think that is a little silly, considering i dont even have many pieces at all. just one lucky myth helm with 500leech
i think in addition to nerfing it, they should soft cap it earlier and make the drop rate much higher on gear with the stats. might be a season 4 thing, but in theory, you could get myth pieces with leech every week in vault and just destroy every other player in self sustain just by winning the leech lottery, like on live now, getting 4 leech pieces on dh is an entire frailty stack o f self healing, that is pretty nuts, i have one big leech piece and leech is one of my biggest heals on a tank, in aoe packs.
Couldn't be Blizzard'f notes without the weekly mage wall of text. 90% of devs work on mage, 0% on shaman, 9% on rest
If you actually listened to the video, shaman changes are coming next week
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Blizzard: avoidance reduces too much dmg.
Also Blizzard: let's make random unavoidable dmg do more dmg than people's max HP and not communicate any of it properly through game mechanics.
I guess Ion is on coke again. Looking for some "last minute changes" on release day already ;)
would be nice if theyd just tune fire down rather than the classic blizzard smash hammer..
fire is dead if it stays like this, for season 1 at least.
Why am I awake?
Not good for dh dps when u have nothing strenght for dh dps and sham in tww 😮💨😮💨
Tbh, I wouldn't be surprised if this is mostly targeted to affect tanks the most.
Tanking got ridiculously easy in dragonflight and this might be what they're doing in order to make healers feel more impactful during the fight instead of everyone just sustaining themselves (ie the MDI runs that were finished without healers) through defensives, avoidance, and leech.
Not saying that avoidance and leech were overpowered, but it might be a tuning knob they at least want to experiment with instead of going through each class' defensives.
These stats were more important for dps, much more infact.
How much Dratnos could a Dratnos Dratnos if a Dratnos could Dratnos Dratnos?
Not sure what it is with you guys but you spend more time talking about Survival Hunter than any other spec in the game. Nobody has ever played this spec and never will.
Warrior guy does not know how to warrior for some time now
Blizz, this is not how you fix Balance. Come on.
it is pronounced* "Aldraki"
That's how it's pronounced, not how it's spelled
@@zuralani1 of course you are right, lol
For the algorithm
demon hunter still getting nothing lmao
Good, fuck that class.
@@strugl3snugle245 take a look at the numbers. if you're getting outdone by havoc that's on you
@@strugl3snugle245 why?
Can someone explain how reducing how much avoidance and leech players have via talents have any effect on how powerful the stats are on gear.
Would like to know.
My dude they are reducing the effect by half no matter where it comes from (gear or talents) ON TOP of reducing the amount from talents..
@@Gordonfreems That does not make the reason they STATED for nerfing it on Gear work my dude.
The reason stated is this blizzard speaking our goal is for pieces with those stats to remain valuable, but for the gap between players with and without them to be closer End of blizzard speaking.
This has nothing to with talents by their own spoken goals of doing the nerf.
@@havtor007i suspect that the multiple teams running MDI successfully without a healer is one of the reasons
@@brander7453 That might be the reason for sure but those used Off healing from Priest and Shaman and Druid to do it.
Because they have abilities that convert damage done to healing.
And while this verywell might be the reason it does not really track with what blizzard actually said.
I think there's a further goal you are missing, that wasn't written here but was mentioned in their recent wowhead interview. They see these stats as something that locks them into the maligned healing philosophy we've had for DF, so want to decrease them in all sources. @@havtor007
Just get rid of tertiary stats.
Ban mages
To put it simply, Havoc DHs are VERY unhappy right now. I would suggest going through the DH feedback thread if you can find it. Our *only* class/spec tree changes this entire alpha/beta have been overarching design philosophy changes that resulted in nerfs, but weren't targeting us specifically. We have numerous issues with our class and spec trees that have not been addressed at all and our feedback is falling on deaf ears. There have been no changes for fel-scarred which is extremely undertuned and has some design/gameplay issues of it's own, but they are massively overshadowed by the abomination that is the aldrachi reaver tree. In aoe it is has a very restrictive and unfun playstyle that requires near perfect play, with any small mistake (or mechanic targeting you) in your 20ish button opener completely dumpstering your dps. In single target it recently swung to the total opposite problem, where the build is very reminiscent of shadowlands s3 sinful brand playstyle. You take out just about every fun aspect of the spec so that you are *only* playing the hero tree and chaos strike spamming the boss, which no one wants to play. That's not even getting into the almost invisible visuals each tree has. Throughout all of this we have also had zero communication from devs.
Good, you guys just got reworked. Give shaman love first
@@MrJray20 first off, mages got reworked 4 months before us and have been getting the most out of this whole alpha/beta cycle despite also being significantly better than havoc DH ever since their rework, so that is an incredibly worthless reason to not receive changes. 2nd, our rework was so minuscule that the dev working on it straight up told us before we saw it that we probably shouldn't even have been referring to it as a rework as it was NOWHERE near the scale that mages or paladins received earlier. 3rd, while that "rework" addressed *some* issues with the class it left many more and was also very clearly done with the season 3 tier set in mind, which we will not only be losing but have also been told there is not intention of working a version of it into the talent tree. 4th, there are supposed to be different devs for different classes for a reason. The whole concept of "let them work on this class first, you'll get your turn" is extremely detrimental to a beta where we are *supposed* to be able to give feedback to updates before it is too late to actually make changes based on that feedback. 5th, I don't understand this bizarre attitude of "my class hasnt had attention so you shouldnt either." Literally who does it help? I am happy that shaman finally had a post telling them that *anything* is coming, but im pissed about DH. Those two things can happen at the same time.
@@MrJray20shaman has gotten more changes since 9.0 than havoc has so maybe they should finish making dh a class before “fixing” other classes
@@zuralani1 I didn’t say anything about mages nor is shaman my class. I played dh for a while and you guys will be just fine, they love dh too much. Shaman gets zero love if you just look around
@@Illidonkers more changes that have helped the class how much? 0. Dh has felt great and been busted for seasons now. They’ll hit your beloved edgy class, but you don’t deserve it first
They should triple all leech. Leech is fun.
This is your daily reminder that warrior still has 0 utility,
That’s not true though
@@spellingb6569 I was being slightly hyperbolic but I would say we have some of the worst utility in the game. If you're gonna "um actually," provide what abilities you think provide useful utility.
Why would anyone bring a warrior to a M+ instead of a paladin? Why would any pug invite a warrior at all?
@@mikehamman645 I’m not um-actuallying you. You said something that’s false. I never said an m+ group will spring to invite warriors, they obviously have no reason to do so. Every raid comp in rwf brings a warrior for rally. You have intimidating shout. Shockwave. Not ideal but not 0.
@@spellingb6569 after rally’s nerf it’s basically garbage. Shockwave is on the second to last talent row so it’s harder to get than any other aoe stun - and it’s a cone. Not even an aoe.
We have battle shout but the amount of dps that brings relative to a DH buff is pretty terrible.
The point in my comment was to give warrior something (lust? A cleanse with intercept?) that allows us to participate in m+ and doesn’t make us a class you basically never bring if you can help it. I’m not talking about raid- they have one spot in raid. But in m+ they are basically non existent.
I hate that they tune anything based on "extremely high keys." That scene is so far removed from the average player's experience that it should hardly be considered. All this does, honestly, is hurt normal players who need that little bump in survivability to make it through encounters. If they want the difference between having tertiary stats and not be less then why not just remove them?
Define normal players. For most content except the high end you don’t need these anyways.
A perfect time to learn how to learn how to DR cycle then
@@normannseils3936 No.
@@AndrewATP Sure, we could always get better, but Leech/Avoidance are nice buffers for those on the journey. Also, I think Dratnos is arguing against DR cycling in this video and I tend to agree; mplus bosses shouldn't be designed with the notion that we're plotting out our DR for them 2 min in advance, most of the time.
@@walrusdojo I mean, thats quite a big part of playing non-tank on higher keys, you have to figure out how to survive x mechanic on keylevel y. You kinda get these scenarios in an infinite scaling system where a boss ability starts to one-shot and if that wasnt the case, where should the difficulty be then? I mean you could turn the binary oneshot mechanics into a big healing check where you would also need to press your defensive cooldowns at some point.. but on topic, tertiary stats are just dumb, they are gained through pure rng or spending $$$ for raidboe's. People that have these items have a BIG advantage over people that dont have them and there is no deterministic way to get them aside from spending the big bucks, so into the bin with that..