Don't apologize. R@pey J Penis is a misogynistic creep. He said female SA victims don't have a right to refuse to lick his weiner. He doesn't deserve to have his fake gender identity validated
@@pervysage5465 it is more polite to at the bare minimum not misgender people. Not trying to start a fight just informing. Respecting peoples pronouns should be the bare minimum haha.
@@Saltylolz yeah. Misgendering is just bad, not respecting somebody's identity is just rude and can make someone feel like shit about things they can't control. Find a more original insult lmao
This also reminds me of a line Knuckles has in Sonic Boom. "Anytime someone calls attention to the breaking of gender roles, it ultimately undermines the concept of gender equality by implying that this is an exception and NOT the status quo."
@@404_Toonz He even said it himself after saying that and Sonic, Tails, Sticks, and Amy looked at him in stunned silence-- "What?! Just because I'm a meathead doesn't mean I'm not a feminist!"
I hate the kinds of people who think just because they're part of a minority they can do no wrong. Being a part of an oppressed group DOESN'T change the fact you can still be a horrible person. I'm looking at the minorities who look down on other minorities within their own community. Like chill, we're all suffering here, don't add to it.
Soros was part of a minority... and he helped a certain other group murder some of his own minority. Humans are just humans. ALL CAN BE JUST AS EQUALLY GOOD OR EVIL. FACT!
@@josteinhenrique2779 I don't know about any manga by those themes. I did, however, discover the book _Underdogma: How America's Enemies Use Our Love for the Underdog to Trash American Power_. The book is basically about how certain groups are weaponizing the underdog status and our compassion to disassemble America from the inside-out. Basically, progressive ideology in a nutshell.
The groupthink belief is real, and some of it, or perhaps all of it, comes from internet worship, so to speak. I was just looking at a reply to a comment thread I posted in, and somewhere along the way, I remember one poster making this comment, "We may hate JK Rowling, but..." and I thought it was so interesting that the writer spoke not of themselves, but of an imaginary collective, when expressing their feelings, like an artificial strength in numbers. I think this is because a small section of people today need others to help formulate their opinions so as to avoid having the "wrong" take.
That, at least in terms of race, is called "Internalized Racism", which isn't touched upon all that much, especially when compared to actual racism. It can include stuff like not black people hating another black person because their skin is slightly lighters, or Japanese harassing another Japanese for merely looking like they aren't fully Japanese. The only example of regarding internalized racism is on Blackish, where the grandma treats her daughter-in-law like trash because she's not "black enough".
True diversity would result in what Dr. King wanted: a world where no one saw anything other than fellow human beings. As long as there are factions pushing THEIR desires upon everyone else, it's just another form of elitism.
and when it damages said people within diversity. the examples used in this video, rather than highlight and treat these people with equality and equity, make the viewer hate them because of how annoyingly in your face and incorrect they are.
@@magentasky234 Is it that good? The only things I've ever heard about the Owl House is that the main character is a lesbian, thats the only thing I've ever been told about the show and I never had an interest in watching it. I have seen a couple of well animated clips from the show though that looked good.
As a bisexual person, it really grinds my gears when I see inclusivity bias. Suppressing a straight person and putting them in a bad light is the same thing as suppressing a gay person and putting them in a bad lignt. And inclusivity bias doesn't just happen with sexualities, I see lots of people on Twitter saying "Men are bad, they all should die", not to mention, most female lead movies have a man as a bad guy, and portray men as toxic, like the Charlie's Angels reboot.
I'm in the B of the LGTB and lemme tell you, this is just inane and absurd, it's not only hate againts the cis or heteros, there's... making shit up? like, think for example recent social events and it had become a problem of pettiness and insecurity. For examples, some LGTB agent decided to go on a rampage and kill people, the sexists and incels uses this as a platform for the agenda and the LGTB... defend the monster? why? Becasue the bad guys made their opinion? that's just twisted. It had inpregnated every scene and every conversation, this movements had become a dick-size contest of who's the biggest and better. It's no longer about the minority, it's about how major that particular minority is.
At a young age, I was taught this--Being part of a minority group does not exempt one from the capability of evil or bias. Magneto from X-Men is not just a mutant, but a Jew from Nazi-occupied Germany. Yet he commits and encourages evil towards humans that the Nazis could never imagine while framing his cause as noble. Demona from Gargoyles is one of the few survivors of her kind, yet her actions towards humans and the vindictive nature she developed has put her at odds with her own kind, especially those who actually work to improve relations between man and gargoyle. Despite being the minority, they became no better than the monsters who tormented them.
Oh yeah! And they are just victims of their own choices since for Erik/Max/Magneto, he has his own way to be helpful to mutants where in some universes in Marvel’s multiverse that he hurts them more than helps them with his actions. Demona is the same way, since she was driven by grief, anger, and vindictiveness due to what she thought she lost, even if she became worse over the centuries. But she basically lived up to the name humans gave her since she is very much a demon.
Coming back late, the only thing more darkly hilarious, is how I'm now seeing these same people now WORSHIPPING those two. They literally now reframe the whole thing as "Those two KNOW that you can't coexist with the oppressor, and must eliminate them! Goliath and Professor X are just simps/house slaves/too idealistic to realize that fact!"
One of my favorite bad takes is when fans call out a canon pairing they don't like as toxic, but then say it wouldn't be toxic if it were f/f or m/m. Basically saying the toxicity would just cease to exist through the power of being LGBT. And, yes. I consider that inclusivity bias.
Democrat here don't go for these channels: Amanda the Jedi Dreamsounds Sarcastic chorus Matt burne Jessie Gender James somerton Shipping guide to the galaxy Are they gay Noralities and cellspex. These are the types of idiotic channels that support this biases they'll sniff out any straight relationship they deem bad but as soon as its a toxic LGBTQA+ relationship you won't hear a whimper from them so to anyone avoid these youtubers like the plague. They'll just poison your mind.
@@diamondminer5459 she never calls out toxic LGBTQ relationships in the media but will always call out straight ones. Also she agrees too much with crazy weirdos on things that shouldn't happen in stories.
Yes, definitely. I remember saying that Catradora (main/canon ship from the 2018 Netflix She-Ra series) was toxic, but people kept piling on me saying how it isn't toxic with no evidence whatsoever.
@@0-Stars-MikiTune- I'm in the ATLA fandom, and I can't count how many times I've seen people hating on Aang and making everything he does with Katara out to be toxic while also saying that if Aang was a girl, none of that would be toxic. No. It either is or it isn't. (And, in Aang's case, it isn't.)
@@SunnysFilms I get that. For me, it was the opposite scenario. Catra (in the 2018 Netflix She-Ra series) crossed the line with how she treated Adora (protagonist of the show) and acted towards her multiple times. Despite that, a lot of people don't see how the ship could even be remotely toxic because of the fact that they're lesbians. Like, dude, no. Regardless of whether or not they're lesbians, it is still toxic.
I like the diversity in shows like _Brooklyn 99_ and _Shadowhunters_ because you have female, PoC and queer characters in both hero and villain roles. They're treated like characters and not just labels. Edit: Also, it's not very "feminist" to shit on people that _do_ follow gender stereotypes. The girly girls and the tomboys can coexist. The macho dudebros and femboys can coexist. The straights and the queer kids can coexist. To demonize any of them goes _against_ what feminism and inclusivity stand for.
I’ve heard “feminists” like the Moore Sisters and Peggy Orenstein really shitted on girly girls. And I’ve heard tomboys were bullied in schools and shamed for not being “feminine.” Femboys are often “criticised” by “Masculists” all because they are “destroying manhood” or something dumb like that. And macho men can be bullied by feminine men! That’s how crazy “femininity” and “masculinity” can be! It’s crazy!
I’d rather write a story that features exclusively white men and has the most in depth and entertaining story than a “diverse” story that offers nothing to anybody except that it’s “diverse”
Inclusivity bias is basically hypocritical discrimination. And it's funny because nothing good comes from it. It just creates more hate but it presents itself as some sort of ultimate good so the people involved can dismiss your opinion and insult you when you go against them and the works themselves become bad purely because they have to bend over backwards to make it work and discard all sense of actual content in favour of adopting this weird aptitude. And the people that are being discriminated are more likely to start hating on the group that is being included in the work and that the creators belong too so it harms that minority too. Nobody wins just like with normal discrimination.
I believe the formal term is "positive discrimination", wherein a group or demographic is given special treatment over others. And, of course, positive discrimination is still discrimination.
One example that really came to mind is the whole whitewashing vs blackwashing topic where whenever an artists doesn't draw a character with darker skintone with the exact same color used in the official designs, they are called racist and harassed until they delete their art or commit k.t.s, but whenever someone points out the racism on those who turn pale characters into darker versions in a systematically way, even saying they are "fixing the design", many others come saying that they are wrong and that this is only to give out representation to those ethnicities and how "blackwashing doesn't exist/isn't racist"
and when it comes to blackwashing some f them also say " skin color doesn't matter" well if it doesn't matter then why did you change there skin color. i don't take those kind of people seriously there massive hypocrites.
I hate that when people Black wash they say shit like "look I fixed it! The product is more inclusive now" as if they're doing the black community a huge favor. Well guess what, that character you just recolored is still white and they will continue to be white and your "fixed" design will be forgotten. So you didn't do jack shit. And even people who white wash or black wash for racist intentions are still not a problem since even if someone rando on Twitter white washed a black character by recoloring them, guess what? The character is still black, and will continue to be black. As long as it's not the actual company that owns the product is doing this than the art will have 0 impact on the character's race. So it's just best to ignore them
This! Personally this turns me away from showing my art of characters with different skin-tones than mine (I’m a light-skinned Latina) publicly. It makes me feel scared that if I try to draw a character with a darker skin tone than mine, I’m gonna attract an asshole that tells me the skin-tone isn’t right and he/she is gonna harass me for it. My friend gave me a guide she uses to color skin tones so I can practice but I still feel scared to show that art because of a possible asshole
@@NormalWinterFox right? One of my main characters is black, but I'm so worried about posting art of him because he's light skinned. He's literally light skinned because he's actually biracial and his dad is a slightly paler arab man while his mom is a much darker skinned African lady. But ffs, people never listen Even if the boy's design is inspired by Slash, who literally *is* biracial.. christ, I hate the internet sometimes..
"She's gaslighting the girl she likes and she's trying to isolate her from her friends for extremely petty reasoning" Huh that toxic behavior reminds me of another very popular character. . .
This makes a lot of sense, Inclusivity Bias and Inclusivity Validation works. My niece was friends with a LGBTQ+ girl (her pronoun suggested by her) simply doesn't want to hear an opinion by any straight male as I learned surprisingly one day when I was having a conversation with a gay friend of mine, she just loudly said not to talk about it. I saw this as a rude remark and before I said anything else my brother (younger) removed her, then he said "no point saying anything as it will just start a pointless argument" I felt it would have been better to make my voice heard but I let it go. I hate being villainized for just being straight and a man, I supported the community of their choices and sexuality for years I have grown up with gay and lesbian friends lost crush's as learning of sexuality sure it hurt but I supported. Just to be told I'm a villain for being a straight man, when I supported the community I wasn't expecting this outcome.
People like that piss me off so bad. They're really not doing the members of the rainbow mafia any favors with that mentality. It's bad apples like that that makes the rest of the group look like obnoxious assholes purposefully looking for a reason to fight straight people.
It's even worse if you're white and "cis" aka their term for a biological man who didn't change his gender. That's apparently the worst thing you could be born as in their eyes.
This exact thing is why I loved Steven Universe so much. On paper, you'd think it would have a *HUGE* inclusivity bias problem, seeing as basically the entire cast are femme non-binary aliens with vastly diverse body types and the protagonist's love interest is a female POC, but the show goes out of its way to show that the token cishet white guy (Greg) is a wonderful and loving single father while most shows in SU's vein would actively vilify him to make the more "diverse" cast members look better. Building up one group doesn't have to mean tearing another down!
not to mention they beat up alot of females I know that sounds wrong but woke movies always make females strong powerful never get hurt with words or punches except men the steven universe is different they beat anything that would kill them or destroy earth that's why I love it karma why does woke movies make females villain badass and cool and pure evil and they guy who don't do anything in the movie but when it's time for punishment the guy gets killed its makes like he doesn't deserve that because he didn't do anything in the movie but the female who did so much messed up things they make a moment like make you feel bad for them oh I forgive you not like I killed kids and a family a blow up a building but I have a sad backstory so you can't kill me that's like make it make sense
@@Player-kq6fd This might be one of the stupidest parts of Foodfight's final battle. Even after knowing that Lady X was an envious ike who kidnapped Sunshine Goodness, extracted her essence, used that essence to beautify herself and create the addictive Elixir, framed and assassinated other ikes, and replaced their products with her generic brand...Dex still can't throw a single punch at her?? Why, because she's still beautiful?? Buddy, grow a spine! There's PLENTY of reasons to fight back!
In The Owl House, they include a lot of inclusivity and I think nearly all of it feels natural and does not push around or break the plot. There is one character, in particular, Raine Whispers, who is considered the first non-binary person in a Disney production [there are hints of being a trans person, but is not part of the plot], I think it can be interesting to make a comparison between good and bad representation. Something like a Raine [cool character who happens to be non-binary] vs Caraway [all his personality is being a trans man] video lol.
Exactly, and it's handed pretty neat as well One character I have come to dislike a lot is Bridget from Guilty Gear, and don't get me wrong, I loved this bean in the past, but the issue is that to appeal to western audience, the studio made him a trans woman. The issue? His entire backstory is him being gaslighted and groomed by his parents to dress as a female and pretend to be one even if he doesn't want to because his village has superstitions towards twin boys being cursed, and his character arc is him trying to prove his masculinity. It's exactly the same deal as with Snapdragon: a young unstable teen/young adult who is severely confused about his identity due to what everyone says he is and an adult influencing him into turning into a girl even when that would mean validating everything they have been called
The Owl House truly is a great show. You can be inclusive and do it well, and make a great show. We have Avatar (tla), Owl House and Arcane as great examples.
Something I like to do is have a balance of straight and LGBT stuff in my story. And treat it like it's just... a normal thing that happens in the world.
14:59 Ngl, as a bisexual with the same opinion, I don't think I've ever seen another bisexual person agree with this. When it comes to dating, people are allowed to have any preferences they want and it doesn't make them a bigot. I for one wouldn't date a trans woman because I want to have kids one day. This doesn't make me transphobic, just somebody with preferences who's planning for the future. But honestly I don't think people should even have to have a reason behind their preference. Sometimes you just don't want to do something because you just don't want to, and especially with something as personal as dating, that should be respected.
I remember I had to break it down to somebody that just because I don't go on a date with a trans (either trans man or trans woman, varies since I'm bi) doesn't mean I hate trans. Told them it's like sex, and that I have every right to not consent. Does it make me a bad person? No. I just don't want to, and I don't have any reason apart from me just being me. Idk why ppl feel the need to force this or that preference, like pls let me live with who I want and who i have preference for is none of your business 💀 And yeah! There isn't always a clear reason. It's like I have to give a clear reason for why I don't want to do something uncomfortable, because if I don't then it means it's no reason and therefore should do it.
I don’t know why this reminded me of one interview in Thailand lol the transwoman in Thailand responded to the interviewer simple flirt straight to a point “I have a D are you ok with that” 😂 in a slightly deeper voice too.
While I don't believe either you or BlackLightJack are ill-meaning or bigots (the rhetoric around attacking people's moral character rather than simply confronting biases needs to stop), it's worth noting that our "preferences" beyond sexual orientation are largely socially determined, and refusing to date a trans person (or bisexual person) even on account of preferences is still transphobic (or biphobic), even if it's not intentional. Writing off an entire group of people based on your own assumptions about that group of people before you get to know that person is essentially an act of prejudice, regardless of how it's justified. You are by no means obligated to date trans people, of course, but it's also worth considering why you would refuse to do so. And to address your concerns about having children, consider that there are other options such as adoption; i.e. dating trans people does not necessarily exclude you from having children. As I said, this is not to say that you are a "bad person" for not wanting to date trans people, but the sentiment is still prejudiced and needs to be addressed.
In High School a group of friends of my friends wanted to create an LGBTQ+ club for informing people and creating events around this kind of question. I wanted to apply to this club because I loved the idea. But they said no. Why? Because I was hetero/cis. And it was not a place where traumatized people will talk in a safe place or anything. It was a club for informing. So I asked why it matters that I was in the community "only" as an ally. They answered that only LGBT+ people should talk for the community. And I agreed because it makes sense to let the people concern by the problems express themselves. However, I still could help in the backstage. But they still said no because I'm not a "real" LGBT+ and that I was a biggot. I end up spending years of my life being unreasonalbly fearful of the community and missing the fact that I was ace because I didn't know it exists. Which could have been avoid if they let me instruct myself in the club. Good job guys! (And in the end, they were forbidden to do the club because of the rule "no hetero/cis" so they just created a chat and bitching on people on it.)
Wow, those people were assholes and misinformed. And to think they excluded an literal LGBT person! Who they could have informed instead and helped them find their sexuality! I think they were awful GSA leaders, oh my god. Like that sounds like the worst GSA ever
In my opinion, the way to include diversity (that being characters who aren't white, straight, or biologically their own gender) is to...just do it. Add a trans character, but make the character first. All the trans people I've met in real life don't directly say they're trans unless it's brought up in a subject. They just want to live their lives at the end of the day, and I respect that. Don't insult what you perceive as "the enemy" because more likely than not those people will be the ones reading your book, watching your cartoon, playing your video game, etc. No one likes it when they're made fun of by the media they indulge in, so what makes it any better for you to do it? It's such a weird trend that I've been seeing recently...
Honestly this soulds like a really good idea. _Make_ a character. Write them. Give them a personality, a backstory. Then desing them? They just happen to be trans. They just happen to have dark skin. I feel like the best way of making representarion feel casual is just... not akwnoledging it at all? Making a trans character who's WHOLE CHARACTER revolves around them being trans feels so far away from a real person if it has nothing to do with the plot at all. You can make characters like that too, but cant forget abt everything else, like just bcs they're from a minority they're instantly a good character and everyone who doesnt like them is a bigot. Characters need _personalities_ first. Because thar's what's most important on a person, _no matter who they are._
I try to do this, but I often still worry just because the woke mod can be very vicious. The best I've come up with is to just choose such features at random like with a dice roll if they're features that don't effect the character much if at all or have the trait on both the protagonist side and antagonist side (note that I don't mean hero and villain, but specifically protagonist and antagonist). That way, it doesn't imply that the trait indicates which side they're on when there's at least 1 on each side. This may not be quite as organic as a random dice roll, but it's a technicality that seems to work.
i agree with you, and the second half of your comment really resonated with me. i happen to be one of "those" mentally disabled, goth/emo, lgbtq+ people who just wants to live my life without my identity constantly being politicized and ridiculed. it's so obnoxious when i see media marketed as "supportive" towards people like me, so i give it a chance and indulge... only for it to turn out that said media is a complete mockery of my identity disguised as "getting back at oppressors" when i don't care about "oppressors," i just want to live my life in peace without people going out of their way to harass me or whatever for not living like them.
Also If they happen to have a story that may be related to issues regarding their status (example a person’s internal and external struggles regarding being trans) First make the character. The personality etc and if you decide on that idea afterwards just do a little revision in the backstory to fit a little better. Since well being trans isn’t a character trait and shouldn’t be their sole thing. After all even though trans people struggle with many things (some with dysphoria. Some with societal rejection) they still have lives outside of that.
When you point out the issues with the characters. The easiest way to show people. Change Mandy into a guy. People who liked the relationship between the girls would hate it all of a sudden.
@Diamond Miner - The people eho ship Reylo also tend to consider Kylo Ren/Adam Driver attractive, which always seems to tie into toxic ships proliferating, regardless of the genders of the people involved. Reylo, Mandy and her love interest, Christian Grey/Ana, and the uncomfortable age gap in the movie Call Me By Your Name, there's many problematic pairings out there in recent media.
These shows/comics remind me of Christian shows where they put their own religion on a pedestal and put down others Also Riley, had another video explaining that if you don't date trans, black or disabled people you're a bigot
Does Riley use " *In* voluntary *cel* libate" as an insult? (not that it has any real meaning anymore) because they'll chastise men as if they were the self proclaimed supreme gentleman, Elliot Rodger.
i will never not hate the whole thing with "if you dont want to date trans people, youre a bigot" issue. sure as a trans person it does suck to have a smaller dating pool, but many people have very valid reasons to not want to be with us, such as genital preference and/or wanting to have biological children. its really embarrassing seeing people (usually who arent even trans lmao) harassing people for simply not dating trans people due to the fact they know it just wouldnt work out. theres a difference between not dating trans people due to very real complications and not dating trans people just because you dont like trans people.
I'm religious and find religion in most media to be obnoxious. YES, this is a big part of my life. NO, it is not all that I am. My faith doesn't belong on a pedestal and it doesn't belong being bashed all the time either. (Se amount is okay when it moves the story or character development along.) My beliefs on issues we face today like reproductive rights and the needs of the LGBTQ+ community are not simple and linear. I'd rather not see Christianity portrayed at all than see it as one dimensional hatred or holier-than-thou garbage.
@@saltdad5263 I maintain the right to have a genital preference. Gay men aren't interested in my vagina and we don't shame them for that. There doesn't even need to be a reason for a new relationship to falter. Unless someone is a total asshole about it, that doesn't make them a bigot.
This why I never go with the "Us vs Them" mentality it tunnel visions yourself into only seeing the bad parts of "Them" and not seeing the problems with your side to the point where you don't see that you've become the thing you hate.
I've said it once and I'll say it again Changing the race/ sexuality of a a character isn't diversity, it's tokenism. Seriously come up with other characters instead of changing the ones that already exist. One that really bothers me was how the changed Tim Drake's aka "Red Robin" from the DC comics sexuality. He never showed any interest in men and had a loving relationship with his gf until that was suddenly changed because DC had nothing better to do.
Are they actually changing a characters sexuality or are are you just assuming they are straight? Last I checked Red Robin came out as bisexual, correct? And bisexual means instrest in both men and women. Just because a character has not documented any shown interest in the same gender as before does not make them any less bisexual. Unless the creator explicitly said they were straight in the past, then they did not change anything. And even if they did, why does that bother you? That is the real question you should be asking yourself because it literally changes almost nothing about the character. This all sounds like a personal YOU problem.
@@mykittystinksbad2 There was no evidence that he was interested in men, he and Stephanie were good together, if you were gonna pair him with someone else why not explain why they broke up? DC did it because they they didn't know what to do with his character . And the reason it bothers me isn't because he's with a a guy now, it's lazy the writing.
I'm not sure about this since I never been a fan of DC. But from what I've seen when a sexuality is changed from straight, they don't make them bi, just automatically gay/lesbian. Like Velma has a history of liking guys but now media betrays her liking woman but they never call her bi, they say she's lesbian.
Another thing that "Inclusivity bias" you forgot to mention in your video is Pro LGBT+ writers who do translation for foreign countries, have rewrite story/characters that have good representation for LGBT community to something else that invalidate the whole narrative of said story. Like how the Manga "I Turn My Best Friend To A Girl" was a story for yaoi love story of a guy who like cross dresses and date their best friend guy, to a story of a guy dating a "Trangender" girl because the translator think/(delusional) that story is much better the a male love story. More information on that from Hero Hei channel.
Some other translator on Twitter actually defended them by saying that they "consulted Trans people" yeah, because completely erasing someone else's creative work is perfectly ok as long as you consult people who have nothing to do with the story to begin with
It's ridiculous because crossdressing isn't transgendered. It's funny how "Gender Roles are bad" goes out the window when radicals want someone to be trans. They've become the horseshoe equivalent of the nutty conservatives who believe their sons need to be taken these extreme camps because they wore a dress. Some people in the comments mentioned the change the author made actually ruins the ending. The Manga is still ongoing, so maybe they were talking about the original Web Comic. If you want to know the ending, apparently.... *SPOILERS* Apparently, the crossdresser comes out as transgendered by the end. If this is true, and happens in the Manga, by making them always transgender, the author ruined their journey of accepting their identity, the biggest thing a transgender person can relate to and appreciates in a transpositive story. Any scene of our heroine accepting herself is lackluster if they're been using feminine pronouns and the like the entire time.
@@MutatedPercent If the translator wanted to consult someone, it should've been the author, but the translator acts like they're the actual writer and writing their own story or a weird fix fanfic instead of appropriating someone elses work.
@@Saltedroastedcaramel Honestly I don't know. I haven't read the Manga (still ongoing) or the original Web Comic. I'm getting second hand information that I can't verify. So take things with a grain of salt.
I got a great example. I remember when the uzaki-chan manga first came out and a bunch of western twitter users got so mad because she had big boobs (which for manga/anime standards weren't even that big ) and a lot of those people started redrawing her as fat claiming they "fixed her"
My favorite part of all that mess was when japanese woman whith big boobs got tired of Usaki-chan being called unrealistic and started fighting back like "we exist TOO!" It's both funny and infuriating how "body positivity" seems to always only go one way... so it's perfectly fine to discriminate against big boobs or skinny woman, but if you ever took a fat or flat chested character and made them skinny or busty you would be literally crucified... how abt we just dont try to change a person's body? Like that one time a really problematic twitter artist "fixed" another artists "disgusting" art of a white skinny woman and made her fat and hairy and dark skinned. But the original art turned out to be A COMMISION FROM A REAL PERSON. IT WAS A PORTRAIT OF A REAL BODY.
God it's like characters are getting stoned for being straight conventionally attractive women x.x WHAT is wrong with straight conventionally attractive femme women!? If I didn't know any better I'd say some of these SJWs are jealous(which if you see how most of them look irl, it's not hard to see why.)
Feminists today and poggers are stupid, But not just the normal levels of stupidity. These are alarming levels. An entire army of them loses against 2Dimentional Characters and Chad Actors. This is why empowerment Is useless agaisnt true power. Is like depending only from power ups on a game without knowing how to use them, You waste them and eventually you're gonna run out of them.
No, the worst part is that Starfire counts as a minority in the DCU. She's an Alien that lives on earth which puts her in the same catagory as Superman, Jon Jones, and others in the same boat.
Superman isn't a minority. He's a white guy. Yes, he technically an alien but he's visually indistinguishable from a human. He's was raised by humans, grew up with humans friends, works alongside humans, (as both Clark Kent and Superman) is married to a human and has a half-human son. It's been confirmed by Wonder Woman's Lasso of Truth more than once that he doesn't think of himself as Superman or an alien named Kal-el but a human named Clark Kent.
As an inspiring Comic/Mangaka I'm really glad I wasn't a part of the Tumblr generation, I really do enjoy these videos because they do help me of what not to do when it comes to storytelling & world building
I was on Tumblr when it began, because there were professional cartoonists, animators, and so forth on there. But it didn't take long to descend into madness.
This topic reminds me of an old quote, "How do you write women so well”, "I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability”. It's from a book about a misogynistic man that slowly learns that not all women are how he perceives them to be and that it's wrong to think that way because you alienate everyone that doesn't fit such a narrow minded viewpoint. I liked this book because everyone had nuance(actual nuance, not tumblr's version). No one was perfect because humans are fundamentally flawed and it was inspiring to see this man change, that he was capable of change. Something a lot of Tumblr/Twitter users can't wrap their bigoted minds around. It's a real shame that the U.S. has forgotten what Mr. King was fighting for, what Harriet was fighting for, even what Malcom X, and so many others were fighting for. "Fairness" and "diversity" have become a twisted version of what they used to mean and it hurts that no one can learn, or grow, because the powers that be right now say so. I'm glad the pendulum is swinging back into the middle(for now at least), but it's gonna swing both ways and both extremes are gonna have their day eventually. I just hope that there's enough middle ground from all sides to help keep everyone in check when it does happen.
Yep, also in the comics she was sexually abused during her captivity and entire species has dealt with systematic oppression and genocide attempts for hundreds of years. Her exile to earth was due to her being sold into slavery as a peace offering to war lords by her own sister who murdered their younger brother for good measure. Starfire has been a beacon of justice, acceptance, and courage for her entire existence besides that one ridiculous character assassination attempt.
progressive media tends to have a variety of traits that reoccur very often: 1. if there is a villain, there is a high chance its a straight white male. if its a woman, she will almost certainly be redeemed, or shes a villain because of a straight white male. 2. theres a strange mix of oddly childish aesthetic and approach, mixed with very oblique "adult" content. high guardian spice for instance is 90% a children's show effectively with random cursing thrown in so the audience knows its for adults i guess? it comes across as though these writers dont actually know what maturity is 3. any sort of political topic will undeniably be covered in the most biased way possible. if anyone doesnt agree with the writer's politics, they are almost certainly a villain character 4. the "diverse" characters will generally be hyper competent. 5. diversity is frequently "stacked" in a sense. they prefer for characters to have multiple "diverse" traits even if it becomes less and less realistic. like if you have a gay couple, probably a 90% chance its interracial. in addition there is also frequent, what ill call, "vaguely brown character" syndrome, where a character seems to be designed in a way that is very unspecific in what race the character is, but is meant to aesthetically be "poc". there's nothing inherently wrong with a character design that isn't immediately obvious as a certain race, but in the context of progressive works, it comes across more so as an extension of their political love of "poc" alone. 6. male characters that arent villains are typically defined by being hyper timid. 7. masculine behavior is generally always framed in a bad light unless it is being enacted by a lesbian 8. character conflict and growth is often very limited. chances are it boils down to "you don't know how amazing you really are" . if main characters are wrong about something, its probably because someone misled them, or because they don't yet embrace how amazing they supposedly are. 9. they are often very selective in their morality. like in high guardian spice they pretty much let the villain cat lady go but her male ally gets stabbed several times which i assume is mostly because hes male. and so on
bruh what's unrealistic about an interracial gay couple i agree w a lot of the points you're making here but there's nothing unrealistic about what you're calling "stacking" minority traits. like sure, not every character has to be intersectional (there's nothing wrong w a couple where both the characters are white), but don't call the ones that _are_ unrealistic.
@@saoliath5000 yeah ok that makes sense, i figured that's what you meant but got confused when you said that having a character be of multiple minorities is unrealistic. i think it was just a misunderstanding of phrasing
@@saoliath5000 I still dont think its a problem if point 5 was isolated from the rest of the points. its totally fine and it's nothing unrealistic about it.
What really bugs me about HGS is that Snapdragon had the potential to be a really cool and interesting male character in the all-female led show and they squandered it for "Muh representation". It's one of those "good characters in bad series" tropes, but much like the story and characters, he too falls victim to the agenda of these crazy writers. If the writers weren't idiots, they would have realized that a character like Snapdragon could have easily been a fan favorite, had they kept him the same character just minus the transgender indoctrination. I personally find it inspiring that his arc was about him defining his own version of himself that isn't a toxic aggressive macho man, finding his own strengths in what he's good in and using that to save the day, proving you don't need to fit the conventional standard to succeed, kind of like how Mulan proved you could be just as good as the boys without becoming/transitioning into one. It also could have been a really good message to send to young boys who don't fit that mold of the macho, charismatic and athletic male. I'm sure plenty of young men who are feminine presenting or skinnier than other boys would have really liked his character too, but of course we can't have good things anymore. Professor Calloway, on top of being the creator's obvious self-insert, should have been reprimanded for telling a student about how his transition made him feel good about his body and influencing a clearly distressed and impressionable young boy when he was getting bullied by another student, instead of addressing the bullying head on. This is not only insidious, but I also find it extremely harmful as it pressures young boys who don't fit the traditional male mold, into transitioning into becoming a girl if they can't be a real male. It's like a reverse toxic argument where instead of a boy being mocked for being too girly, he's told that in order to escape the bullying he needs to become the opposite gender, which is just as offensive if you ask me.
Thank you! You summed up the thoughts that I was having a difficult time expressing. Especially the last part where the "moral" for Snapdragon is "if you act like a girl, then just become a girl" kind of deal, which is messed up since it doesn't allow for character nuisance. It's so much more interesting when boys are depicted as liking "traditionally girly" thing such as sewing or gardening than just saying they're now a girl. One of my favorite examples is Ishida Uryuu from Bleach. He's a smart, capable fighter who also loves sewing. Sure, it's used for comic relief but the other characters don't make fun of him for doing a "girly" hobby (that I remember), rather most of the jokes are because he always put a certain emblem on all the clothing he makes for his friends and some of them aren't exactly thrilled about his design choice.
@@rockinrootbeer1795 Not only do I believe they don't make fun of him for it, I think they approach him at least once, possibly more, to seek his aid in said skill.
@@rockinrootbeer1795 And there's also Gojo from the more recent anime My Dress up Darling who has hobbies that others find "traditionally girly", but Marin supports him and wants him to break out of his shell.
@@ShadowWolfRising That sounds about right, even though I don't quite remember. But I think at one point, early on in the series, Ichigo's bed spread was shredded then Ishida "fixed" it. For the entire rest of the series, Ichigo's blanket had a Quincy Cross (Ishida's default "emblem" he adds to stuff) on it. Which is hilarious in hind sight considering what is revealed about Ichigo much _much_ later on.
I was once in a situation where I came across this anime and it was a yaoi and I pointed out that the graphics are very pretty but the relationship was something that I didn't like, one person had asked me why did I feel that way and then another person said that I was being homophobic and I straight up told them that the reason why I said that is because one of the men was a teacher putting his hands on the other mc (who is his student) in an inappropriate way, and he's not just doing this to his love interest he's doing this to another character who's younger, I have nothing against same sex relationships but if it's toxic I'm going to call it out and I straight up told them I would have said the same thing even if it was a straight relationship
Is this about Yuri on Ice? If so, I wasn’t too big on that one either. Power dynamics aside, I just felt like their relationship was solely built on sexual attraction. Any indication of the pair liking each other for who they are as people, if there was any, was so meager that I forgot about it. Like where was the romance? I did like the anime “given”, though.
@@rosaleenstark9187 Not exactly. There’s just not many BL/yaoi anime out there, so I used the process of elimination. The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are Yuri on Ice, given, and Banana Fish. These three shows are all wildly different from each other in both setting and tone.
@@nerasomnia the sad thing is I've seen a few yaois (old ones) where the relationship is toxic but they try to make you think it's not, and they tried to blur the lines of consent
It seems they don't see relationships between teenager boys and adult men as inappropriate. It's like all those jokes about Batman and Robin being gay lovers. Given the age difference between the two the relationship would be one of a rapist and his victim. If you made Robin a girl _no one_ would make the same joke.
I had an experience with something like this with someone calling me bigoted and transphobic for being Christian saying I'm a fool for quote, "Believing the words of a Dusty old book" in a topic that they started directed towards me. I never said anything negative about LGBTQ people throughout the entire thread as I thought, "There must be some misunderstanding between us." The thing that started it all was them bringing up Transgenderism out of nowhere and me staying on the original topic that this person wasn't even a part of and saying, "That's confusing."
Bisexual erasure such as denying the existence of bisexual people is biphobia. An example is telling a cisgender bi person they’re just straight just because they are dating someone of the opposite gender
Which is worse? Being hired based on your gender and race to be a diversity hire and having people around you treating you like a victim like "Oh poor you. You can't succeed on your own. Let me help you because I care SO MUCH about your kind" OR people being honest and upfront with you like "Look I don't want to hide and pretend that I like you. I value my time as much you value yours."?
Media like this reminds me that Life Is Strange was a huge proponent in creating works similar to it and making them more mainstream, which is another thing I dislike about these series. A Tumblr fangirl's first world problem ramblings encapsulated into a video game and filled with unrealistic characters, cartoonish villains, cringey teen dialogue and a narrative that gaslights you into believing toxic people are heroic and should be rooted for. Mandy and Claire's relationship reminds me a lot of Chloe and Max's relationship (coincidentally, they have the same lettered initials in their names) and that's not something you should want or aspire to. It's another case of "inclusivity validation" where the love interest/main lead is a toxic and abusive person to the people they love, but because they fit the checkbox of the niche audience they pander to, suddenly all of the toxic flaws and negative traits get brushed under the rug as if they never existed. I bet you if Chloe was a man, the abuse Max gets would have been called out rightfully so, but because it's a lesbian relationship, suddenly the social justice crowd avert their eyes and use the "we need all the representation we can get" card to excuse bad writing and unhealthy relationships. And the creators of LIS consider their relationship canon despite the two endings, so it counts in this case. (For the record, I'm not opposed to showing the bad aspects of these characters, I'm more so against the hypocrisy of people who pretend that the bad parts don't exist and that it's all sunshine and rainbows.) If you ask me, that's not a good message to send to young teens, especially those in gay relationships, because you're ingraining this mindset that they can be as problematic towards their partners as much as they want and expect full obedience from their significant others with no strings attached, criticism or pushback. In reality, this would create more unhealthy dating standards, abusive partners and continue to perpetuate the toxic romantic tropes that these people claim to be against. As a bisexual person myself, I really dislike that these media are geared towards us, and yet if anyone criticizes it, you're just an (insert bigot word) here. Whatever happened to writers or creators admitting they made a terrible show/movie and trying to better themselves as creatives and making media everyone can enjoy? Oh wait, they're all talentless hacks who think inserting a topical theme is going to make their stories revolutionary.
I’ve seen a couple of TikTok people say that if you don’t date LGBT people or whatever that you’re homophobic/transphobic. It’s honestly annoying because even though I’m straight, it is called a preference for a reason.
Once I readed a manga (unfortunately, I don't remember its name) creating another term that goes very well with "Inclusivity Bias": "Underdogma". The belief that, for belonging to an oppressed group or a lower social class automatically makes you a more noble person that never can do no wrong, while making people from upper classes and more privileged groups blatant douchebags or plain evil people.
Psychologist have began to discover a personality type they've come to call "perpetual victim". Essentially it's like you describe. They've made "victim" the entire core of their personality. They're smug, manipulative, have a superiority complex and believe their supposed eternal victimhood makes them morally superior to others so they can excuse their own mistakes and shortcomings. There was a UA-camr named Jadyn who's a trans woman. When she got angry she would occasionally decide to call black people the n-word. When called on it she'd begin melting down and crying about how hard her life is because she's trans and how the people criticizing her must he trans phobes. It was both infuriating and incredibly pathetic at the same time.
Well I think that the only flaw in this video are labeling "Inclusivity bias" and "Inclusivity validation" as words when I think that they would be more accurately labeled as terms. But that doesn't change the fact of how obviously accurate they are.
This might be a bit off topic but there’s a huge issue in the lgbtqia+ community with the slander against people who go unlabeled I personally go unlabeled myself,and have had no problems with it so far but for others it’s wildly different. I think this is a really interesting topic so I’ll keep it short and let people go research about it on their own but typically in the community people who go by unlabeled are usually seen as queer baiting or “ straight but special “ which is not true at all! People are starting to forget that in this community we made the labels to HELP people find their identity. It’s getting so bad that people feel pressured to make their own sexualities to fit their specific scenario. To everyone out there still experimenting,don’t feel pressured to pick a label,they are meant to be tools to help you identify,not to be your specific identity
Y'know this is actually really nice. I more or less have the problem of feeling like I don't fit in anywhere. Not that I'm looking to pick up labels for myself or anything I'm perfectly fine just being straight and haven't felt the need to experiment sexually or gender identity. However certain reactions to labels and labeling people with those labels makes me uncomfortable with being me. I've seen some nasty things being said and by their definition I'd be lumped in with some pretty horrible people. I'd much rather just go unlabeled and explore me for me. There is a lot more about this thought I have but I'm not going to go into it here. Just wanted to say I appreciate the comment.
I used to watch two streamers that go under the unlabeled umbrella. For both of these steamers, the fans would force a label onto them. One of the streamers accepted it and now his entire personality has become being gay and non-binary (he goes by he/they pronouns) and his fans, who are mostly LGBTQ+ (and also always claim that “every fan of this specific streamer is gay”) lap it up and say he’s even funnier that way. I got pretty tired of hearing the same jokes over and over again and have stopped watching him since. It’s even gotten to the point where I feel an overwhelming sense of annoyance whenever I hear his name, which is upsetting because I used to be a huge fan of his content and even after he came out, I still watched him, but I stopped because all he could talk about was how much he likes men and how gay he is. (Though I’m not sure I could use this as an example because he DID say he was okay with the gay label after coming out but everyone ignored the unlabeled thing and just went, “HE’S A GAY BOY!!!”) The other one was upset at his fans for forcing a label onto him when he didn’t even say he was unlabeled but all he said was that he “wasn’t straight.” Now the fans of the second one are saying he’s asexual, once again forcing another label onto him. It’s pretty annoying, tbh. Unlabeled people shouldn’t have to feel pressured to accept a label. People have free will and shouldn’t feel restricted to who and what they are. Unlabeled people are incredibly valid.
I think saying a single mother who brings guys home every night is a misogynistic or sexist stereotype is wrong since there are women who do this and it does hurt a child's development since it can confuse them as to who they look for as a father figure or just make them generally confused as to why their mother is bringing strangers home every night which may mess them up socially. In I'm Not Starfire it is handled poorly but when it is a real thing that harms children I don't think it should be called a misogynistic stereotype. Still it is nice to see another great video from you.
I'm pretty sure the big problem about it was that not only was it done with a beloved DC character who would obviously never do this to her child but it was also a poor attempt to demonize her.
You basically just said "fatherless behavior" But for real tho, I'm pretty sure they meant that it was an inaccurate portrayal of Starfire and it's misogynistic cos when thinking about what to do in order to add strain to the mother-daughter relationship, all the author could come up was "mom is a bimbo". An absent father figure, celebrity lifestyle, lots of expectations, etc. None of this needed Starfire to be scantily clad in every scene while also having so many men come to the house in order for Mandy to dislike her mom. The mother-daughter relationship would've still been strained even if Star had a long-term partner. It just seemed unnecessary and it seemed fairly obvious Mariko (the author) was modeling Star after her own mother.
@@spectre9340 Is "mom is a bimbo" not a valid way to create conflict in character relationships? As I said children have suffered from having irresponsible mothers and the fact the writer chose that way in order to create conflict doesn't mean it's misogynistic it is just one of the many ways in which you can create conflict in character relationships. I don't know what you mean with that second paragraph, should the auhor not take from real life experience? I understand that Starfire is not really Starfire in the comic and that they should have went with an original character but why would adding compounding elements to character relationships be bad?
Some ex-friends from Discord had horrible inclusivity bias, basically acting exactly like how these delusional creators do. We used to role play as a little group and they did this exact shit with their characters. And they took it a step further where if you disagreed with them on just about anything, they'd find a way to twist the situation around to label you as something-phobic or say that you wanted to call them slurs. The whole situation where our friendship ended was a load of bullshit, and I'm glad I cut their toxicity out of my life.
How you saied, Inclusivity Bias also hurts people who are trying to includ. Example not so long ago: Heartstopper is a slice of live love story between two boys. It started as webcomic but it got a tv show. I must admit, i like it. But author has IB, because one of her old comments is about how her comic is better than those from japan because she doesn't fetishies gay boys. And well, this comment was from years ago so there is a chance that she changed her mind. But twitter defenitly didn't. There is also other comic, Boyfriends, is also a slice of life romace about poly gay relationship. Yea, it's kinda cringe, but harmless. But twitter got very angry at it because they assumed that a cishet woman wrote it. But the author is a trans gay men. So by trying to "protect" a gay mens, those people hurted actual one and started to act transphobic on top of that. Thats why i'm afraid to share my work, i'm non binary bi who has a lot of queer characters, but when i'm gonna do something "wrong", people will jump on me and say transphobic and biphobic sh*t trying to "protect" lgbt people, even tho i am a part of it.
Oh remember that time when someone created rule 63 fan art for a visual novel daddy dating game? They got mad because one of the dads was trans, thus they claimed the artist was transphobic "forcing that character to detransition"? Instead of thinking the more logical possibility of an alternate Rule 63 universe where (said "daddy") was born Male, but transitioned into being Female. Thus no "detransitioning" ocurred. Some people just want to fight for a cause so badly that they will make it up if they have to. Trust me, I had someone in my own personal life who was that way for years. (Not about being trans, but just.... General growing up things. She once called me a (sorry, not "called", but "screamed and cried about how I am") a hoarder because there were dust bunnies under the couch.... that we specifically moved so we could Vaccuum said dust bunnies. Kind of like that.)
1:41 - 2:09 Spot on BlackLightJack. It's insane how many people fall so easily to that trojan horse. I get not wanting be the "bad guy" and alienate others, but if they slow down a minute to stop being outraged and objectively observe their behavior, what they want isn't "equality". Their demand for racism/outrage outweighs the supply, so what do they do? Conflate and generate it themselves 🤦♂️ While calling everyone who disagree's or points out inconsistencies in their logic as ists or phobes 🤷♂️
These "writers" have no idea how to make a character. Whatever they do is just for the sake of inclusivity and everytime someone points out how bad it is the Twitter mob comes over and calls them a [insert latin or any modern word that sucks now]phobe or racist. If you want to add a diverse set of characters make them for the sake of the story, not for the sake of inclusion. What drives the character to do what they do? What *actual* obstacles are in their way to reach their objective? Will the character change in their journey? These are just some of the questions needed to make a character and that are answered indirectly in a story. Nobody wants to follow the journey of a bitch or a jerk all the way through. Nobody wants to be lectured about stuff that happened in the past and why they are responsible for it. Everyone wants to pick a piece of entertainment and escape the cruel world that surrounds them even for a minute; that was the whole point of entertainment since the dawn of romanticism back in the 1700's. Writers back then didn't liked the world that surrounded them so they created their own worlds to escape it. What ever we see, read or play through doesn't have to reflect reality.
Hi, I have a question, is it okay to have Victorian steampunk theme mashed with modern technology? I making comic story called tale of wonder inspired by demons slayer, black butler, Alice in wonderland with arcane theme.
@@Daydream-247 It's your work, you decide how to make it. I suggest you find a beta reader, be willing to hear criticism and keep testing until you get the right mix you're looking for.
Agreed. I write a lot of gay and bisexual men. Not for the sake of inclusion but because that's the default for me. It's why I like writing sci fi and fantasy cause it gives me the freedom to do so while making it feel natural. My favorite creation being the Kingdom of Eden, a space nation populated entirely by genetically augmented men.
I don't know if this counts, but I found it kinda weird when watching steven universe they said that all the gems were genderless, but we never saw any gems that identified as anything other than female. Idk, seems a little weird to me.
Maybe it's just because Gems only see one gender in their kind that they're "genderless" (hence why the other Diamonds referred to Steven as a "she" for a time). Besides that, they physically lack any sexual parts by default (the exception being shapeshifting).
I think people are forgetting that the correct approach is to view other human beings as individuals who should only be judged by the contents of their character.
17:39 The She-ra reboot that romanticized a toxic lesbian relationship to the very end, pushed meaningful character development and lore aside in order to seem more 'fun' and 'quirky' and glorifies abusive attention from adults while casting aside healthy behaviors from actual helpful figures like Queen Angela.
lgbtqia+ representation is rlly good but the main important thing is that it shouldn't be just slapped there for brownie points and cuz, "oh this is what gets us more money!" (from ppl that dont even know their lgbtqia+ history) it should be represented correctly, and you shouldn't let your bias mindset get the better of you tbh
it´s actually really easy to include LGBT in a story, just write a character and make them whatever kind of minority you want them to be, I have a trans friend and he´s just a regular guy, he doesn´t go around announcing it because it doesn´t matter, and that´s what these writers miss, if they make a character first and lgbt second no one bats an eye at it, it´s still inclusive without being a token, My Hero Academia has 2 trans characters and not once is it mentioned in the series
Unfortunately, a lot of the time in media, when having an LGBTQ+ character, writers often make that their entire character, example being Riverdale’s Toni Topaz and Kevin Keller. If they don’t do that, then the FANS make it their entire character. As someone in the Project Sekai community, I’ll see a very well-written character (Minori for example) and just because she has an admiration/a crush on another girl, all people see her as is “feral lesbian energy.” There’s also Vivid Bad Squad, which consists of two guys and two girls. The two duos of the same gender are pretty close as they were singing partners before they formed their group together. But because of the homoerotic tension with the characters, people get gatekeepy about the non-canonical sexualities. If you say any of the characters in that band are bi, pan, ace, het, etc., you’re gonna be receiving death threats and labeled as a homophobe. Not to mention that the Project Sekai fandom applauds ships that are toxic because they’re gay ships. The girl Minori I just mentioned? She had a parasocial relationship with the girl, Haruka, she’s pining after and puts her on a high pedestal of “she can do no wrong, she’s haruka.” Haruka clearly states that she wants to be treated like a normal person but Minori constantly puts her on that pedestal. Minori HAS gotten character development and has begun to treat Haruka better, but even before this development, people shipped them because it’s two girls. They overlooked that fact of broken boundaries and for a while, Haruka was just “Minori’s gf” (they’re not even canonically dating btw). This went off on a rant here but I had to get this out of my system, lol.
@@_meriessa The best LGBTQ+ characters in media (books, movies, shows/series, etc.) I've ever seen all fall under the same category... *"Show. Don't tell."* If a creator wants to have LGBTQ+ characters, and if they want these characters to have a good, wide-reaching audience reception, they've all followed that simple rule. Yuri on Ice, for instance, displays a gay romantic relationship between two of the main characters - and no character ever beat the audience over their heads with it. In fact, I don't think the word "gay" was ever uttered by a single character (at least, not in the English dub.) No characters ever continuously commented on the sexuality of Yuri or Viktor. Neither were praised (nor were they ever shamed) for their relationship. It just... happened. That was it. It felt natural. Of course, "Show. Don't tell." Can be used for a range of other character traits/characteristics, too.
Netflix SheRa also is a good example reflecting everything you said here. Including the toxic lesbian romance that only gets praise just because it's sapphic.
Now that you mention it, I've that alot of toxic "lgbt" relationships have gotten a wall of defense when ever someone points them out. I've seen them counter with pointing out the toxic relationship of the Joker and Harley Quinn, ignoring the fact the Joker is a bad guy and Harley does eventually leave him in the animated series.
And that Harley is almost nearly as evil as the Joker. And that their relationship was never written to be anything BUT "toxic/abusive" from its inception. And how they also romanticize Harley/Ivy because their "lesbians" but also ignore that their relationship has also been written as toxic as well. It's kinda wild how these people act lol.
the only reason they defend these kind of lgbt relationships is because well there lgbt they don't care if its toxic it being lgbt is the only thing that matters to them.
@@espio329 Also the first life is strange with Chloe and Max. I know the She-rees get upset at any critism of DreamWorks She-Ra, but you mention the problems with that ship they really get mad. I don't even think some watched the whole series because they mentioned Catra's redemption arch and that was the laziest "arch" ever.
The mean girls in I am not starfire are tall, slender or athletic built. The love interest is short, not super skinny (not fat either but inbetween). There is a prejudice hidden in it against thin, tall, athletic women. Might be envy, or some bad girls/women in her life that were mean to her.
I think the creator of The Legend of Korra once said that if you think that Korra and Asami's relationship came of of nowhere you just didn't want to see it (or more straightforward, you're homophobic) or something like that. Let me paraphrase one quote: "I guess you don't know writing as well as you think you do. You miscalculated. I love good story more than I fear being called homophobic." I still didn't see The Legend of Korra, it's just a thing that I saw some time ago. I think it's a good example of what you're talking about
i remember that. Something about “Having our hetero lenses on” or some Bs like that. My gay ass watched all seasons and barely found a hint outside of late season 3, Ya know. near the end of the series. Also, in wouldn’t even consider asami a character. She’s just a plot device to push the story forward. Need someone who’s not a bender but has good technology skills? Asami. No one else for korra in the main groupto get with cause she burned through 1 relationship and use said relationships brother to get to her first relationship without out any consequences(I will always hate mako for this) Asami.
@@espio329 Same as a Bi myself you know the same as BOTH Asami and Korra I saw zero hints These people clearly have Homolenses Remember these are the same people who would attack you for preferring a canon ship that happens to be straight and not the fan one that’s hay
I think it's a lot rarer to find things _without_ inclusivity biases. It's all about bitterness and lashing out in ways that you think won't get you ostracized from society because you can always fall back on the "it isn't real" card, which is _far_ from a new phenomenon. Give _The Divine Comedy_ a read sometime. Even then, Dante Alighieri himself wasn't actually exiled for _The Divine Comedy_ as most people suspect, but for _De Monarchia,_ a lesser known nonfictional work that was actually _more_ hot button than his juvenile quasi-biblical revenge fantasy for reasons lost to general pop culture because understanding its context requires knowing a few things about 14th century Florentine politics. It wasn't so much that popes and bishops were particularly thin-skinned (necessarily, anyway...), but that political loyalty and trust was a matter of life and death, and Mr. Alighieri was the kind of guy all but _destined_ to piss off the wrong people eventually. See also Copernicus, whose condemnation had _nothing_ to do with "science", but similar political shenanigans, in contrast to what fedora-tipping pop historians might have told you. In my experience, it all comes down to ego, as if their fixation on "pride" wasn't already a huge red flag. When you think you're so awesome and critical to the proper functioning of the universe, it's only logical that you must assume that everyone else's thoughts _also_ revolve around you. When other people aren't bending over backwards to stroke their ego, it _can't_ be out of indifference or other people simply having lives outside of said narcissist, or that most people _don't_ voice every errant thought that crosses their mind. No, it must be out of hatred. Why else _wouldn't_ you announce your loyalty to the protagonist? In reality, their lives aren't half as bad as they make it out to be. They think they're hated by men who steer clear of them because they know that most normal people put their sympathies behind the woman and don't want to play rigged games. They think they're oppressed by Christians, but think _Raiders of the Lost Ark_ and _Supernatural_ are biblically accurate. They think they're oppressed by capitalism, but everything they know about capitalism comes from _Hunger Games_ first and Milton Friedman _never._ They think they're oppressed by white people, while most murder-happy hellholes are dominated by murderous gangs of their _own_ races. They think they're oppressed by right-wingers, but think the Third Reich was some kind of small-government pro-religious capitalist dreamland that right-wingers want. They think straight people oppress them, when in reality it's just that most straight people consider the thought of two people of their own sex getting it on to be a boner killer... and queer identitarians should _know this._ They hate Western literature and culture, but think that _The Lion King_ is identical to _Hamlet_ (it's not) and _At the Mountains of Madness_ is about blue-blooded educated New Englanders being an unstoppable super-race (it's really, _really_ not). Not only are they cowards, but they're so ignorant of everything that the breadth of things that terrifies them basically encompasses everything normal. Why do you think they call people "-phobic"? They're so terrified of the real world that they have to see it broken down and destroyed at its very foundation and eradicated from the face of the earth, despite not knowing a thing about it. It's a lot like... what's that _other_ insult they like to throw out a lot?
As a lesbian I hate how these shows portray the LGBTQ. It’s like as long as it’s gay it’s ok to be as toxic as possible, it’s a relationship it has hard times that both partners need to work together to fix. The whole point of having a relationship between two characters is so they can have two people who can support each other. The owl house is a great example of what a inclusive show should be.
One more examples would be the new Heroes of the Universe. He-man dies in episode 1, and from then on it's the Teela show. Not only that, Adam is torn down at every opportunity, as only Teela's feelings ever matter. For example she's mad she wasn't let in on the secret, and proceeds to throw a tantrum in front of parents who just lost their child. Later, she meets up with Adam in the afterlife and shits on him for 'leaving her', when he died saving the dang universe.)
It reminds me to something I read time ago. "If to make your characters look like the heroes of your story you must twist everything to look as bad as possible... Maybe your characters aren't good at all"
You know how we get around inclusivity bias? Start by writing them as villains. Nope, I'm serious, and it's because villains usually require a higher amount of writing capabilities to pull off. Villains literally MAKE the story.
While I think inclusivity is good, it should also be well written and shouldn’t be made that big of a deal. I think a problem lately is that when any type of representation is added and they make a big deal of it, it just seems like they did it to ‘be inclusive’ and not because they want genuine representation. And I believe that you shouldn’t have to write a non minority character bad just to make the one/one’s being represented look good. It’s not true inclusivity if characters that are either straight or male or cis etc to look like the bad guys when those that are LGBTQ+ or other minorities are written to look like the good guys.
I'm bisexual too, so that guy and people like him just freaking annoy me because we're already seen as freaks of nature, and that guy just hammers it in more.
Ever since I’ve started watching your videos. I come to realize that no matter what community within world. There is sadly going to be bad apples. Which this video explains why. I am female who isn’t homophobic, racist, ableist, or etc. But finding out that there are people who I thought would be on the good side turn out to be toxic just as much as the other side unfortunately. Still sad that there are females in this world that think like this. Either way keep up the good work.
I'm White, Cis, hetero, italian and "privileged" HOWEVER I have the COSTANT FEAR of sharing even 1 single thought about LGBT community or any movement. Just to say how "inclusivity" is working in the world.
I feel like the furry fandom as a whole has an inclusivity bias. When I joined the fandom I considered myself straight, but everywhere I looked, I saw nothing but hate and disgust towards straight people, especially men like myself. Further people in the furry community near me had bombarded me with gay nsfw content, statements, and questions to to the point I started questioning my sexuality. Now here I am. I feel hated, and confused with my sexuality
that's not inclusivity bias that's just a big glorified popularity contest full of emotionally unstable manchildren, lol. I speak from personal experience. don't listen to cucks.
New Vegas probably has some of the best rep, Arcade Gannon is gay, but is still a sarcastic and enjoyable companion, and Veronica is a lesbian who can punch the shit outta anyone but her dream is to get a fancy dress. Its also the first Fallout game (I think) to feature same sex counterparts of Lady Killer and Black widow, perks designed to give you an upper hand against the opposite sex via seduction.
The worst part is that, in the comments, we have people shilling for shows like The Owl House and She-Ra and the Princesses of Power, which are also guilty of Inclusivity Bias and IdPol IMO.
@@NebLleb still, there's no bias. Every character is treated relatively well, there isn't a "big bad white straight guy" or "I don't approve of X demographic so I will treat it like shit in my show". Also the main protagonist romance is well build and it's not toxic.
She-ra is confusing for me Because the creators say that people in that world don't think about gender at all when it comes to dating But then they go and give several character a specific sexuality
Inclusivity can only work with good writting, I rather have a bad written heterosexual couple than a gay one, because there will be thousand of better hetero couples out there to compare. Gay couple are rare and when it's badly written, you can't find a good one next to it. This really reminds me of steven universe for example, where there are LGBT characters but some are horribly written. In the show, Pearl is a lesbian character, she is in love with Rose Quartz, a soldier who fought against a race called Diamonds who wants to destroy the earth, throughout the show the feeling Pearl as for Rose is praised by fans and medias but at the end of the seasons, we discovered that Rose Quartz is not only a fake identity, but she was in fact a diamond and diamonds on the show use pearls as slaves. By making this revelation, Rebecca Sugar the creator of the show, literally consider a couple as master and slave as "romantic" which is completely fucked up and plain wrong, Pearl knew about the identity of Rose and continue to serve her like all the others pearls serve their diamond, she was Rose slave even after her revelation and when Rose died, Pearl was lost and could never recover from it!!!!!!! Wtf. I used to love their relationship even though Pearl never said to Rose she loved her and they never be truly together, but her love for Rose was at least genuine and showed, now? I feel bad to ship them because it's just an abuse relationship and abuse in LGBT couples in medias are dozen of thousands... People claim writting gay couples is hard but it's not, if you can write a straight couple, YOU CAN write a gay couple, if you do it and failed at it, you're a bad writter.
Hrm, in retrospect, it feels like Pearl was constantly being forced to accept that Rose/Pink made a lot of big mistakes. And even though Ruby's and Sapphire's situation was kinda similar - Ruby being Sapphire's servant, and Sapphire giving up her noble status to run off with her - there's still a big difference. Pearl mostly just went along with Pink's choices. Ruby and Sapphire each made a spontaneous choice to protect each other, even knowing it would go against the order of Blue's court.
I agree with almost everything except your statement that "inclusivity can only work with good writing" het couples can have trash writing so why can't queer couples? This idea that they need to be 10x better than their straight counter parts is very micro aggressive. You're implying that queer people NEED to better just to get even a sliver of the recognition when they should just exist in media, just like straight people. Judge the writing on just that, the writing, not the characters orientation.
The obsession of pearl over Rose has been and always will be depicted as wrong by the show, it's abusive and it's written as such because guess what, rose is not a good person.
@@meatchips4936 The show never treat her obsession as wrong lol, they either treat it as "cute" or "quirky", I just want to reminds you they write an entire song of pearl crying over the lost of rose (it's over isn't it?) and the clip was draw in a more poetic and romantic way. The only time the show "tried" to fix Pearl's obsession was when they made an episode of pearl meeting a pink hair lady (who LOOKS exactly like rose) and this girl was never mentioned and pearl never talk about her anymore.
A long time ago I made a comment about writing characters better because too many people focus on someone's sexuality instead of them having other traits. This video helps prove my point about the biases people have when you question them about the topic of inclusivity. I was even told that since I wasn't part of the alphabet people group I couldn't talk about it let alone write about it. It was sad. Good video though
I saw a comment on another video that made sense like this: authors and creators like, say, those on High Guardian Spice (or YA novels as the comment said), were decided to be part of the marketing push for the product. It wasn't just the show or book they were advertising; it was the creators. Some people have caught on to that.
I love this video, everything this dude says is true and its sad. There's a lot of people and artist who say that they want the world to be open-minded and accepting but have a habit of not being really accepting themselves.
I hate seeing minority characters made out to seem like that’s their whole personality, gives actual minorities a bad stereotype. I’d rather see characters who are their own characters, with likes, dislikes, goals, wants, etc- that happen to be a minority. Don’t make someone’s race, sexuality, gender, disabilities, etc their whole personality.
Now that you spoke this, this is more of the line of 90's humor, back then EVERYTHING was stereotyped, but it was hot property back in the day. And I mean BACK THEN. Gay men were portrayed as "fruity people", and lesbians were described as "butch men", as for transsexuals..... I have no idea, I don't think they were shown in the '90s. Today it's more diverse, and more accepting of others and their wishes, sadly no one thinks that today.
Speaking from experience, a lot of it is just people who want to continue the whole clique mentality formed in highschool and carrying it on into the work force. Granted, we know that cliques like that have always existed but what's so egregious about this is that they're trying to say it's a necessary thing. From what I learned, you still need certain egotistical 'things' in order to join their cliques and when it comes to diversity clubs and all this shit, it's usually all White women or if there is diversity, it's just a 'colorful' mix of women who share the same shitty attitude who don't get shit done and all their 'projects' are terrible because all they care about is telling other people who awful they are for not being in their cesspool of a 'club'.
I hate people who think blackwashing "doesn't exist" just because there are less black characters than white characters. Like, if whitewashing is drawing a character lighter than they truly are or drawing a POC as white, then blackwashing is the opposite, drawing a character darker than they truly are or drawing a white character as black. It's just so easy to understand
Have you watched The Predator? One of the characters is every autism stereotype rolled into one and the Predators are literally trying to weaponize autism. The director of that movie still deserves more respect than inclusivity creators, because at least he did not cry Ableism when people did not like his shit movie. This is a very low bar to clear, but that is where we are now.
Snapdragon felt more like a non binary than anything, everything they felt sounded so familiar, I'M non binary, but then they slapped "oh yes trans now because we hate men", can we just steal Snapdragon and put them in something better?
Hmm, reminds me of the Ladybug and Chatnoir show. The creator and his writing is just wack. Less trashy than Guardian Spice, but the same flaws are present in a less pronounced manner.
I have autism. am I the only one who does not care at all about "representation?" people care so much about needing more representation for autism or lgbtq stuff, and I don't care in the slightest. am I the only one who thinks that way?
I am also on the Spectrum, and I don’t really care representation too much. I think it important to show all characters from all differences, but it important to keep the actual story unless their differences are somehow important. Adding representation can easy as long as you have actual characters and do your research on it. But yeah, people are crazy about “diversity” points.
@@lavandergalaxy3669 yeah. If someone wants to add something about autism and it actually helps with the plot or makes the show better, I am good for it, but I don't want people feeling pressured to wedge it in there. I want people to put what they want in their media without feeing pressured to have "representation"
Growing up I always tried to avoid having a self insert character mainly because I wanted to separate fiction from reality also sometimes the character might get beaten up or it is scripted for them to be killed off. So if it was a self insert character that would make a bad impression on the reader especially if this person just wanted to read it for story….in my opinion
With High Guardian Spice I hated they had to turn Snapdragon into a trans girl. I hate that whenever there's a guy who likes girl-oriented stuff they force him into being trans. What's wrong with being a male and liking girl-oriented things? Wouldn't it be way more inclusive to have him be a male and like girl clothes like he's so confident in his own masculinity and in who he is he doesn't feel care what he wears? Honestly, it could had been interesting for him to remain like that and and up with the purple hair girl like "yeah we don't care". Yet again, the creator has stated that she wants to kill all men so 🙄
I can't live in the same neighborhood as those type of those people, I can accept they existing in the same world, I don't care of everyone thinks I'm racist or supremacist, I can't stand they progress speech neither their appearance anymore
It’s so mind blogging that Raye says high guardian spice’s is so diverse because it’s all women. White women, specifically, minus Raye. So how is that diverse if the entire directing crew or whatever is all white women? Asking as a black woman.
Did I misgender Riley in this vid? If I did then my bad. I'm eventually gonna make mistakes, don't get butthurt at me over it.
yeah you did but glad u were aware
Don't apologize. R@pey J Penis is a misogynistic creep. He said female SA victims don't have a right to refuse to lick his weiner. He doesn't deserve to have his fake gender identity validated
Riley doesn't deserve respect in the first place. It is not necessary to worry about it.
@@pervysage5465 it is more polite to at the bare minimum not misgender people. Not trying to start a fight just informing. Respecting peoples pronouns should be the bare minimum haha.
@@Saltylolz yeah. Misgendering is just bad, not respecting somebody's identity is just rude and can make someone feel like shit about things they can't control. Find a more original insult lmao
This also reminds me of a line Knuckles has in Sonic Boom.
"Anytime someone calls attention to the breaking of gender roles, it ultimately undermines the concept of gender equality by implying that this is an exception and NOT the status quo."
BRO MY GUY KUCKLES COMING OUT WITH THE FIRE TAKES
Based knuckles
@@404_Toonz He even said it himself after saying that and Sonic, Tails, Sticks, and Amy looked at him in stunned silence-- "What?! Just because I'm a meathead doesn't mean I'm not a feminist!"
knuckles is the smartest character and the dumbest at the same time
Sonic Boom is underrated and everyone should watch it
I hate the kinds of people who think just because they're part of a minority they can do no wrong. Being a part of an oppressed group DOESN'T change the fact you can still be a horrible person. I'm looking at the minorities who look down on other minorities within their own community. Like chill, we're all suffering here, don't add to it.
Soros was part of a minority... and he helped a certain other group murder some of his own minority.
Humans are just humans. ALL CAN BE JUST AS EQUALLY GOOD OR EVIL. FACT!
I saw a manga creating the perfect term for this belief: "Underdogma". Unfortunately, I don't remember the manga's name.
@@josteinhenrique2779 I don't know about any manga by those themes. I did, however, discover the book _Underdogma: How America's Enemies Use Our Love for the Underdog to Trash American Power_. The book is basically about how certain groups are weaponizing the underdog status and our compassion to disassemble America from the inside-out. Basically, progressive ideology in a nutshell.
The groupthink belief is real, and some of it, or perhaps all of it, comes from internet worship, so to speak. I was just looking at a reply to a comment thread I posted in, and somewhere along the way, I remember one poster making this comment, "We may hate JK Rowling, but..." and I thought it was so interesting that the writer spoke not of themselves, but of an imaginary collective, when expressing their feelings, like an artificial strength in numbers. I think this is because a small section of people today need others to help formulate their opinions so as to avoid having the "wrong" take.
That, at least in terms of race, is called "Internalized Racism", which isn't touched upon all that much, especially when compared to actual racism. It can include stuff like not black people hating another black person because their skin is slightly lighters, or Japanese harassing another Japanese for merely looking like they aren't fully Japanese.
The only example of regarding internalized racism is on Blackish, where the grandma treats her daughter-in-law like trash because she's not "black enough".
I'm all for diversity. But I think that, if diversity is the only thing you can offer, then you have nothing to offer.
True diversity would result in what Dr. King wanted: a world where no one saw anything other than fellow human beings.
As long as there are factions pushing THEIR desires upon everyone else, it's just another form of elitism.
and when it damages said people within diversity. the examples used in this video, rather than highlight and treat these people with equality and equity, make the viewer hate them because of how annoyingly in your face and incorrect they are.
Ngl that's the reason I never watched the owl house, the ONLY thing I EVER heard about it was the Sapphic romance. Like wtf is this about!?
@@3173_Delta The show is so much more than the romance, the story is very fleshed out. It's a shame that the story isn't talked about as much.
@@magentasky234 Is it that good? The only things I've ever heard about the Owl House is that the main character is a lesbian, thats the only thing I've ever been told about the show and I never had an interest in watching it. I have seen a couple of well animated clips from the show though that looked good.
As a bisexual person, it really grinds my gears when I see inclusivity bias. Suppressing a straight person and putting them in a bad light is the same thing as suppressing a gay person and putting them in a bad lignt. And inclusivity bias doesn't just happen with sexualities, I see lots of people on Twitter saying "Men are bad, they all should die", not to mention, most female lead movies have a man as a bad guy, and portray men as toxic, like the Charlie's Angels reboot.
Don’t forget The Craft Legacy
Did not know there was a sequel to The Craft, is it recent?
If not evil just horribly incompetent
grrr
I'm in the B of the LGTB and lemme tell you, this is just inane and absurd, it's not only hate againts the cis or heteros, there's... making shit up? like, think for example recent social events and it had become a problem of pettiness and insecurity. For examples, some LGTB agent decided to go on a rampage and kill people, the sexists and incels uses this as a platform for the agenda and the LGTB... defend the monster? why? Becasue the bad guys made their opinion? that's just twisted. It had inpregnated every scene and every conversation, this movements had become a dick-size contest of who's the biggest and better. It's no longer about the minority, it's about how major that particular minority is.
At a young age, I was taught this--Being part of a minority group does not exempt one from the capability of evil or bias.
Magneto from X-Men is not just a mutant, but a Jew from Nazi-occupied Germany. Yet he commits and encourages evil towards humans that the Nazis could never imagine while framing his cause as noble.
Demona from Gargoyles is one of the few survivors of her kind, yet her actions towards humans and the vindictive nature she developed has put her at odds with her own kind, especially those who actually work to improve relations between man and gargoyle.
Despite being the minority, they became no better than the monsters who tormented them.
I find it utterly hilarious how most of the bad things that happen to the gargoyles are Demona's own fault.
This comment could be framed. It is that good.
Oh yeah! And they are just victims of their own choices since for Erik/Max/Magneto, he has his own way to be helpful to mutants where in some
universes in Marvel’s multiverse that he hurts them more than helps them with his actions.
Demona is the same way, since she was driven by grief, anger, and vindictiveness due to what she thought she lost, even if she became worse over the centuries. But she basically lived up to the name humans gave her since she is very much a demon.
Exactly, also look up Aba Kowner.
There is even a pretty banger song about him.
Coming back late, the only thing more darkly hilarious, is how I'm now seeing these same people now WORSHIPPING those two. They literally now reframe the whole thing as "Those two KNOW that you can't coexist with the oppressor, and must eliminate them! Goliath and Professor X are just simps/house slaves/too idealistic to realize that fact!"
One of my favorite bad takes is when fans call out a canon pairing they don't like as toxic, but then say it wouldn't be toxic if it were f/f or m/m. Basically saying the toxicity would just cease to exist through the power of being LGBT. And, yes. I consider that inclusivity bias.
Democrat here don't go for these channels:
Amanda the Jedi
Dreamsounds
Sarcastic chorus
Matt burne
Jessie Gender
James somerton
Shipping guide to the galaxy
Are they gay
Noralities and cellspex. These are the types of idiotic channels that support this biases they'll sniff out any straight relationship they deem bad but as soon as its a toxic LGBTQA+ relationship you won't hear a whimper from them so to anyone avoid these youtubers like the plague. They'll just poison your mind.
@@diamondminer5459 she never calls out toxic LGBTQ relationships in the media but will always call out straight ones. Also she agrees too much with crazy weirdos on things that shouldn't happen in stories.
Yes, definitely. I remember saying that Catradora (main/canon ship from the 2018 Netflix She-Ra series) was toxic, but people kept piling on me saying how it isn't toxic with no evidence whatsoever.
@@0-Stars-MikiTune- I'm in the ATLA fandom, and I can't count how many times I've seen people hating on Aang and making everything he does with Katara out to be toxic while also saying that if Aang was a girl, none of that would be toxic. No. It either is or it isn't. (And, in Aang's case, it isn't.)
@@SunnysFilms I get that. For me, it was the opposite scenario. Catra (in the 2018 Netflix She-Ra series) crossed the line with how she treated Adora (protagonist of the show) and acted towards her multiple times. Despite that, a lot of people don't see how the ship could even be remotely toxic because of the fact that they're lesbians. Like, dude, no. Regardless of whether or not they're lesbians, it is still toxic.
I like the diversity in shows like _Brooklyn 99_ and _Shadowhunters_ because you have female, PoC and queer characters in both hero and villain roles. They're treated like characters and not just labels.
Edit: Also, it's not very "feminist" to shit on people that _do_ follow gender stereotypes. The girly girls and the tomboys can coexist. The macho dudebros and femboys can coexist. The straights and the queer kids can coexist.
To demonize any of them goes _against_ what feminism and inclusivity stand for.
Well said!
I’ve heard “feminists” like the Moore Sisters and Peggy Orenstein really shitted on girly girls. And I’ve heard tomboys were bullied in schools and shamed for not being “feminine.”
Femboys are often “criticised” by “Masculists” all because they are “destroying manhood” or something dumb like that.
And macho men can be bullied by feminine men!
That’s how crazy “femininity” and “masculinity” can be! It’s crazy!
Uh, Spectre? You dropped this. 🎤
I’d rather write a story that features exclusively white men and has the most in depth and entertaining story than a “diverse” story that offers nothing to anybody except that it’s “diverse”
@@cliff_guygames4027 Yeah, it’s also thinking to diversity not just ethnicity, race, or sexual orientation only.
Inclusivity bias is basically hypocritical discrimination. And it's funny because nothing good comes from it. It just creates more hate but it presents itself as some sort of ultimate good so the people involved can dismiss your opinion and insult you when you go against them and the works themselves become bad purely because they have to bend over backwards to make it work and discard all sense of actual content in favour of adopting this weird aptitude. And the people that are being discriminated are more likely to start hating on the group that is being included in the work and that the creators belong too so it harms that minority too. Nobody wins just like with normal discrimination.
I believe the formal term is "positive discrimination", wherein a group or demographic is given special treatment over others. And, of course, positive discrimination is still discrimination.
The problem is essentially that these people try to fight an extreme with the opposite extreme, instead of finding the middle ground
@@oobtty the middle ground between "oppression" and "acting against oppression" is making no progress. That is the problem lmao
@@corncake4677 There's literally no winning in this scenario then
One example that really came to mind is the whole whitewashing vs blackwashing topic where whenever an artists doesn't draw a character with darker skintone with the exact same color used in the official designs, they are called racist and harassed until they delete their art or commit k.t.s, but whenever someone points out the racism on those who turn pale characters into darker versions in a systematically way, even saying they are "fixing the design", many others come saying that they are wrong and that this is only to give out representation to those ethnicities and how "blackwashing doesn't exist/isn't racist"
The artists who draws dark-skinned characters "wrong" and gets harrassed due to it are mostly Asians who barely speak English too :(
and when it comes to blackwashing some f them also say " skin color doesn't matter" well if it doesn't matter then why did you change there skin color.
i don't take those kind of people seriously there massive hypocrites.
I hate that when people Black wash they say shit like "look I fixed it! The product is more inclusive now" as if they're doing the black community a huge favor. Well guess what, that character you just recolored is still white and they will continue to be white and your "fixed" design will be forgotten. So you didn't do jack shit. And even people who white wash or black wash for racist intentions are still not a problem since even if someone rando on Twitter white washed a black character by recoloring them, guess what? The character is still black, and will continue to be black. As long as it's not the actual company that owns the product is doing this than the art will have 0 impact on the character's race. So it's just best to ignore them
This! Personally this turns me away from showing my art of characters with different skin-tones than mine (I’m a light-skinned Latina) publicly. It makes me feel scared that if I try to draw a character with a darker skin tone than mine, I’m gonna attract an asshole that tells me the skin-tone isn’t right and he/she is gonna harass me for it. My friend gave me a guide she uses to color skin tones so I can practice but I still feel scared to show that art because of a possible asshole
@@NormalWinterFox right? One of my main characters is black, but I'm so worried about posting art of him because he's light skinned.
He's literally light skinned because he's actually biracial and his dad is a slightly paler arab man while his mom is a much darker skinned African lady. But ffs, people never listen
Even if the boy's design is inspired by Slash, who literally *is* biracial.. christ, I hate the internet sometimes..
"She's gaslighting the girl she likes and she's trying to isolate her from her friends for extremely petty reasoning" Huh that toxic behavior reminds me of another very popular character. . .
_Which one_
@@rockhistoria2537 We do not speak her name
@@rockhistoria2537 Just kidding. It's Catra from She-ra and the Princesses of Power
@@giorgiapetrei5421 thanks, I completely forgot about her, how curious
Catra?
Edit: I guessed right! :D
This makes a lot of sense, Inclusivity Bias and Inclusivity Validation works. My niece was friends with a LGBTQ+ girl (her pronoun suggested by her) simply doesn't want to hear an opinion by any straight male as I learned surprisingly one day when I was having a conversation with a gay friend of mine, she just loudly said not to talk about it. I saw this as a rude remark and before I said anything else my brother (younger) removed her, then he said "no point saying anything as it will just start a pointless argument" I felt it would have been better to make my voice heard but I let it go. I hate being villainized for just being straight and a man, I supported the community of their choices and sexuality for years I have grown up with gay and lesbian friends lost crush's as learning of sexuality sure it hurt but I supported. Just to be told I'm a villain for being a straight man, when I supported the community I wasn't expecting this outcome.
Damn.
People like that piss me off so bad. They're really not doing the members of the rainbow mafia any favors with that mentality. It's bad apples like that that makes the rest of the group look like obnoxious assholes purposefully looking for a reason to fight straight people.
@DoctorVemina Yeah. Makes me wonder if she’s like that with her dad…
Things like this can turn a man from Lib-Left to Alt-Right.
It's even worse if you're white and "cis" aka their term for a biological man who didn't change his gender. That's apparently the worst thing you could be born as in their eyes.
This exact thing is why I loved Steven Universe so much. On paper, you'd think it would have a *HUGE* inclusivity bias problem, seeing as basically the entire cast are femme non-binary aliens with vastly diverse body types and the protagonist's love interest is a female POC, but the show goes out of its way to show that the token cishet white guy (Greg) is a wonderful and loving single father while most shows in SU's vein would actively vilify him to make the more "diverse" cast members look better. Building up one group doesn't have to mean tearing another down!
not to mention they beat up alot of females I know that sounds wrong but woke movies always make females strong powerful never get hurt with words or punches except men the steven universe is different they beat anything that would kill them or destroy earth that's why I love it karma why does woke movies make females villain badass and cool and pure evil and they guy who don't do anything in the movie but when it's time for punishment the guy gets killed its makes like he doesn't deserve that because he didn't do anything in the movie but the female who did so much messed up things they make a moment like make you feel bad for them oh I forgive you not like I killed kids and a family a blow up a building but I have a sad backstory so you can't kill me that's like make it make sense
maybe that's why modern movies suck
@@Player-kq6fd This might be one of the stupidest parts of Foodfight's final battle. Even after knowing that Lady X was an envious ike who kidnapped Sunshine Goodness, extracted her essence, used that essence to beautify herself and create the addictive Elixir, framed and assassinated other ikes, and replaced their products with her generic brand...Dex still can't throw a single punch at her?? Why, because she's still beautiful?? Buddy, grow a spine! There's PLENTY of reasons to fight back!
Greg is a pure cinnamon roll and I will never hear any slander of him! He is both a great character and a great Dad!
Ugh, Marty. Women are people.
In The Owl House, they include a lot of inclusivity and I think nearly all of it feels natural and does not push around or break the plot. There is one character, in particular, Raine Whispers, who is considered the first non-binary person in a Disney production [there are hints of being a trans person, but is not part of the plot], I think it can be interesting to make a comparison between good and bad representation. Something like a Raine [cool character who happens to be non-binary] vs Caraway [all his personality is being a trans man] video lol.
The fact I remember who Raine is and not Caraway says it all! XD
Despite having little screen time, Raine has stolen my heart :)
That's a great example. Raine's gender identity has never been relevant to the plot. They are a great character regardless of it
Exactly, and it's handed pretty neat as well
One character I have come to dislike a lot is Bridget from Guilty Gear, and don't get me wrong, I loved this bean in the past, but the issue is that to appeal to western audience, the studio made him a trans woman.
The issue? His entire backstory is him being gaslighted and groomed by his parents to dress as a female and pretend to be one even if he doesn't want to because his village has superstitions towards twin boys being cursed, and his character arc is him trying to prove his masculinity.
It's exactly the same deal as with Snapdragon: a young unstable teen/young adult who is severely confused about his identity due to what everyone says he is and an adult influencing him into turning into a girl even when that would mean validating everything they have been called
The Owl House truly is a great show. You can be inclusive and do it well, and make a great show. We have Avatar (tla), Owl House and Arcane as great examples.
I agree. The Owl House is an amazing, well-written show that does inclusivity *right* because it doesn't make that the whole point of the show.
Something I like to do is have a balance of straight and LGBT stuff in my story. And treat it like it's just... a normal thing that happens in the world.
Like it should be, thank you
Glad you do that, Joel. 🙂 And that is how it’s supposed to be!
@@BryonYoungblood Thanks. I think that's how it should be irl
@@brawlmasterjoelstudios So do I.
14:59 Ngl, as a bisexual with the same opinion, I don't think I've ever seen another bisexual person agree with this. When it comes to dating, people are allowed to have any preferences they want and it doesn't make them a bigot. I for one wouldn't date a trans woman because I want to have kids one day. This doesn't make me transphobic, just somebody with preferences who's planning for the future.
But honestly I don't think people should even have to have a reason behind their preference. Sometimes you just don't want to do something because you just don't want to, and especially with something as personal as dating, that should be respected.
I remember I had to break it down to somebody that just because I don't go on a date with a trans (either trans man or trans woman, varies since I'm bi) doesn't mean I hate trans. Told them it's like sex, and that I have every right to not consent. Does it make me a bad person? No. I just don't want to, and I don't have any reason apart from me just being me.
Idk why ppl feel the need to force this or that preference, like pls let me live with who I want and who i have preference for is none of your business 💀
And yeah! There isn't always a clear reason. It's like I have to give a clear reason for why I don't want to do something uncomfortable, because if I don't then it means it's no reason and therefore should do it.
I don’t know why this reminded me of one interview in Thailand lol the transwoman in Thailand responded to the interviewer simple flirt straight to a point “I have a D are you ok with that” 😂 in a slightly deeper voice too.
While I don't believe either you or BlackLightJack are ill-meaning or bigots (the rhetoric around attacking people's moral character rather than simply confronting biases needs to stop), it's worth noting that our "preferences" beyond sexual orientation are largely socially determined, and refusing to date a trans person (or bisexual person) even on account of preferences is still transphobic (or biphobic), even if it's not intentional. Writing off an entire group of people based on your own assumptions about that group of people before you get to know that person is essentially an act of prejudice, regardless of how it's justified. You are by no means obligated to date trans people, of course, but it's also worth considering why you would refuse to do so. And to address your concerns about having children, consider that there are other options such as adoption; i.e. dating trans people does not necessarily exclude you from having children.
As I said, this is not to say that you are a "bad person" for not wanting to date trans people, but the sentiment is still prejudiced and needs to be addressed.
In High School a group of friends of my friends wanted to create an LGBTQ+ club for informing people and creating events around this kind of question. I wanted to apply to this club because I loved the idea.
But they said no. Why? Because I was hetero/cis. And it was not a place where traumatized people will talk in a safe place or anything. It was a club for informing.
So I asked why it matters that I was in the community "only" as an ally. They answered that only LGBT+ people should talk for the community. And I agreed because it makes sense to let the people concern by the problems express themselves. However, I still could help in the backstage. But they still said no because I'm not a "real" LGBT+ and that I was a biggot.
I end up spending years of my life being unreasonalbly fearful of the community and missing the fact that I was ace because I didn't know it exists. Which could have been avoid if they let me instruct myself in the club.
Good job guys!
(And in the end, they were forbidden to do the club because of the rule "no hetero/cis" so they just created a chat and bitching on people on it.)
Wow, those people were assholes and misinformed. And to think they excluded an literal LGBT person! Who they could have informed instead and helped them find their sexuality! I think they were awful GSA leaders, oh my god. Like that sounds like the worst GSA ever
In my opinion, the way to include diversity (that being characters who aren't white, straight, or biologically their own gender) is to...just do it. Add a trans character, but make the character first. All the trans people I've met in real life don't directly say they're trans unless it's brought up in a subject. They just want to live their lives at the end of the day, and I respect that.
Don't insult what you perceive as "the enemy" because more likely than not those people will be the ones reading your book, watching your cartoon, playing your video game, etc. No one likes it when they're made fun of by the media they indulge in, so what makes it any better for you to do it? It's such a weird trend that I've been seeing recently...
Honestly this soulds like a really good idea. _Make_ a character. Write them. Give them a personality, a backstory. Then desing them? They just happen to be trans. They just happen to have dark skin. I feel like the best way of making representarion feel casual is just... not akwnoledging it at all? Making a trans character who's WHOLE CHARACTER revolves around them being trans feels so far away from a real person if it has nothing to do with the plot at all. You can make characters like that too, but cant forget abt everything else, like just bcs they're from a minority they're instantly a good character and everyone who doesnt like them is a bigot. Characters need _personalities_ first. Because thar's what's most important on a person, _no matter who they are._
I try to do this, but I often still worry just because the woke mod can be very vicious. The best I've come up with is to just choose such features at random like with a dice roll if they're features that don't effect the character much if at all or have the trait on both the protagonist side and antagonist side (note that I don't mean hero and villain, but specifically protagonist and antagonist). That way, it doesn't imply that the trait indicates which side they're on when there's at least 1 on each side. This may not be quite as organic as a random dice roll, but it's a technicality that seems to work.
i agree with you, and the second half of your comment really resonated with me. i happen to be one of "those" mentally disabled, goth/emo, lgbtq+ people who just wants to live my life without my identity constantly being politicized and ridiculed. it's so obnoxious when i see media marketed as "supportive" towards people like me, so i give it a chance and indulge... only for it to turn out that said media is a complete mockery of my identity disguised as "getting back at oppressors" when i don't care about "oppressors," i just want to live my life in peace without people going out of their way to harass me or whatever for not living like them.
The way to go; make a character; don't make a stereotype. A character with an actual arc would be way more interesting than just a stereotype.
Also If they happen to have a story that may be related to issues regarding their status (example a person’s internal and external struggles regarding being trans)
First make the character. The personality etc and if you decide on that idea afterwards just do a little revision in the backstory to fit a little better. Since well being trans isn’t a character trait and shouldn’t be their sole thing.
After all even though trans people struggle with many things (some with dysphoria. Some with societal rejection) they still have lives outside of that.
When you point out the issues with the characters. The easiest way to show people. Change Mandy into a guy. People who liked the relationship between the girls would hate it all of a sudden.
@Diamond Miner - The people eho ship Reylo also tend to consider Kylo Ren/Adam Driver attractive, which always seems to tie into toxic ships proliferating, regardless of the genders of the people involved. Reylo, Mandy and her love interest, Christian Grey/Ana, and the uncomfortable age gap in the movie Call Me By Your Name, there's many problematic pairings out there in recent media.
These shows/comics remind me of Christian shows where they put their own religion on a pedestal and put down others
Also Riley, had another video explaining that if you don't date trans, black or disabled people you're a bigot
Does Riley use " *In* voluntary *cel* libate" as an insult? (not that it has any real meaning anymore) because they'll chastise men as if they were the self proclaimed supreme gentleman, Elliot Rodger.
The irony with far left progressiveness is that they're acting in the very ways they critized Evengelicals for and I would argue they're a lot worse.
i will never not hate the whole thing with "if you dont want to date trans people, youre a bigot" issue. sure as a trans person it does suck to have a smaller dating pool, but many people have very valid reasons to not want to be with us, such as genital preference and/or wanting to have biological children. its really embarrassing seeing people (usually who arent even trans lmao) harassing people for simply not dating trans people due to the fact they know it just wouldnt work out. theres a difference between not dating trans people due to very real complications and not dating trans people just because you dont like trans people.
I'm religious and find religion in most media to be obnoxious. YES, this is a big part of my life. NO, it is not all that I am. My faith doesn't belong on a pedestal and it doesn't belong being bashed all the time either. (Se amount is okay when it moves the story or character development along.) My beliefs on issues we face today like reproductive rights and the needs of the LGBTQ+ community are not simple and linear.
I'd rather not see Christianity portrayed at all than see it as one dimensional hatred or holier-than-thou garbage.
@@saltdad5263 I maintain the right to have a genital preference. Gay men aren't interested in my vagina and we don't shame them for that. There doesn't even need to be a reason for a new relationship to falter. Unless someone is a total asshole about it, that doesn't make them a bigot.
This why I never go with the "Us vs Them" mentality it tunnel visions yourself into only seeing the bad parts of "Them" and not seeing the problems with your side to the point where you don't see that you've become the thing you hate.
I've said it once and I'll say it again Changing the race/ sexuality of a a character isn't diversity, it's tokenism. Seriously come up with other characters instead of changing the ones that already exist. One that really bothers me was how the changed Tim Drake's aka "Red Robin" from the DC comics sexuality. He never showed any interest in men and had a loving relationship with his gf until that was suddenly changed because DC had nothing better to do.
exactly.
Are they actually changing a characters sexuality or are are you just assuming they are straight? Last I checked Red Robin came out as bisexual, correct? And bisexual means instrest in both men and women. Just because a character has not documented any shown interest in the same gender as before does not make them any less bisexual. Unless the creator explicitly said they were straight in the past, then they did not change anything. And even if they did, why does that bother you? That is the real question you should be asking yourself because it literally changes almost nothing about the character. This all sounds like a personal YOU problem.
@@mykittystinksbad2 There was no evidence that he was interested in men, he and Stephanie were good together, if you were gonna pair him with someone else why not explain why they broke up? DC did it because they they didn't know what to do with his character . And the reason it bothers me isn't because he's with a a guy now, it's lazy the writing.
Man, I miss DC New 52.
I'm not sure about this since I never been a fan of DC. But from what I've seen when a sexuality is changed from straight, they don't make them bi, just automatically gay/lesbian. Like Velma has a history of liking guys but now media betrays her liking woman but they never call her bi, they say she's lesbian.
Another thing that "Inclusivity bias" you forgot to mention in your video is Pro LGBT+ writers who do translation for foreign countries, have rewrite story/characters that have good representation for LGBT community to something else that invalidate the whole narrative of said story.
Like how the Manga "I Turn My Best Friend To A Girl" was a story for yaoi love story of a guy who like cross dresses and date their best friend guy, to a story of a guy dating a "Trangender" girl because the translator think/(delusional) that story is much better the a male love story. More information on that from Hero Hei channel.
Some other translator on Twitter actually defended them by saying that they "consulted Trans people" yeah, because completely erasing someone else's creative work is perfectly ok as long as you consult people who have nothing to do with the story to begin with
It's ridiculous because crossdressing isn't transgendered. It's funny how "Gender Roles are bad" goes out the window when radicals want someone to be trans. They've become the horseshoe equivalent of the nutty conservatives who believe their sons need to be taken these extreme camps because they wore a dress.
Some people in the comments mentioned the change the author made actually ruins the ending. The Manga is still ongoing, so maybe they were talking about the original Web Comic. If you want to know the ending, apparently....
*SPOILERS*
Apparently, the crossdresser comes out as transgendered by the end. If this is true, and happens in the Manga, by making them always transgender, the author ruined their journey of accepting their identity, the biggest thing a transgender person can relate to and appreciates in a transpositive story. Any scene of our heroine accepting herself is lackluster if they're been using feminine pronouns and the like the entire time.
@@MutatedPercent If the translator wanted to consult someone, it should've been the author, but the translator acts like they're the actual writer and writing their own story or a weird fix fanfic instead of appropriating someone elses work.
@@EnigmaBarry Didn't the crossdresser realize he was male?
@@Saltedroastedcaramel Honestly I don't know. I haven't read the Manga (still ongoing) or the original Web Comic.
I'm getting second hand information that I can't verify. So take things with a grain of salt.
I got a great example. I remember when the uzaki-chan manga first came out and a bunch of western twitter users got so mad because she had big boobs (which for manga/anime standards weren't even that big ) and a lot of those people started redrawing her as fat claiming they "fixed her"
My favorite part of all that mess was when japanese woman whith big boobs got tired of Usaki-chan being called unrealistic and started fighting back like "we exist TOO!"
It's both funny and infuriating how "body positivity" seems to always only go one way... so it's perfectly fine to discriminate against big boobs or skinny woman, but if you ever took a fat or flat chested character and made them skinny or busty you would be literally crucified... how abt we just dont try to change a person's body?
Like that one time a really problematic twitter artist "fixed" another artists "disgusting" art of a white skinny woman and made her fat and hairy and dark skinned. But the original art turned out to be A COMMISION FROM A REAL PERSON. IT WAS A PORTRAIT OF A REAL BODY.
@@YumeBat a su artist was attacked for drawing rose "too skinny" I remember hearing about that too & being disgusted at how racist they were being.
God it's like characters are getting stoned for being straight conventionally attractive women x.x WHAT is wrong with straight conventionally attractive femme women!? If I didn't know any better I'd say some of these SJWs are jealous(which if you see how most of them look irl, it's not hard to see why.)
@@YumeBat wasnt it zeefixesart whos most likely a troll?
Feminists today and poggers are stupid, But not just the normal levels of stupidity.
These are alarming levels.
An entire army of them loses against 2Dimentional Characters and Chad Actors.
This is why empowerment Is useless agaisnt true power.
Is like depending only from power ups on a game without knowing how to use them, You waste them and eventually you're gonna run out of them.
No, the worst part is that Starfire counts as a minority in the DCU.
She's an Alien that lives on earth which puts her in the same catagory as Superman, Jon Jones, and others in the same boat.
Superman isn't a minority. He's a white guy. Yes, he technically an alien but he's visually indistinguishable from a human. He's was raised by humans, grew up with humans friends, works alongside humans, (as both Clark Kent and Superman) is married to a human and has a half-human son. It's been confirmed by Wonder Woman's Lasso of Truth more than once that he doesn't think of himself as Superman or an alien named Kal-el but a human named Clark Kent.
@@BiggieTrismegistus Colorist.
As an inspiring Comic/Mangaka I'm really glad I wasn't a part of the Tumblr generation,
I really do enjoy these videos because they do help me of what not to do when it comes to storytelling & world building
I was on Tumblr when it began, because there were professional cartoonists, animators, and so forth on there. But it didn't take long to descend into madness.
Yeah! We don't need another hgs or I'm not Starfire 😅
Me too but in Deviantart
This topic reminds me of an old quote, "How do you write women so well”, "I think of a man and I take away reason and accountability”.
It's from a book about a misogynistic man that slowly learns that not all women are how he perceives them to be and that it's wrong to think that way because you alienate everyone that doesn't fit such a narrow minded viewpoint.
I liked this book because everyone had nuance(actual nuance, not tumblr's version). No one was perfect because humans are fundamentally flawed and it was inspiring to see this man change, that he was capable of change. Something a lot of Tumblr/Twitter users can't wrap their bigoted minds around.
It's a real shame that the U.S. has forgotten what Mr. King was fighting for, what Harriet was fighting for, even what Malcom X, and so many others were fighting for. "Fairness" and "diversity" have become a twisted version of what they used to mean and it hurts that no one can learn, or grow, because the powers that be right now say so.
I'm glad the pendulum is swinging back into the middle(for now at least), but it's gonna swing both ways and both extremes are gonna have their day eventually. I just hope that there's enough middle ground from all sides to help keep everyone in check when it does happen.
I think you’re referring to “As Good as it gets” starring Jack Nicholson
Wouldn't this setup make Starfire a war refugee? So she's vilifying a war refugee?
More than that, when you consider the kinds of hells that Blackfire put her through...
Epic fail!
Yep, also in the comics she was sexually abused during her captivity and entire species has dealt with systematic oppression and genocide attempts for hundreds of years. Her exile to earth was due to her being sold into slavery as a peace offering to war lords by her own sister who murdered their younger brother for good measure. Starfire has been a beacon of justice, acceptance, and courage for her entire existence besides that one ridiculous character assassination attempt.
progressive media tends to have a variety of traits that reoccur very often:
1. if there is a villain, there is a high chance its a straight white male. if its a woman, she will almost certainly be redeemed, or shes a villain because of a straight white male.
2. theres a strange mix of oddly childish aesthetic and approach, mixed with very oblique "adult" content. high guardian spice for instance is 90% a children's show effectively with random cursing thrown in so the audience knows its for adults i guess? it comes across as though these writers dont actually know what maturity is
3. any sort of political topic will undeniably be covered in the most biased way possible. if anyone doesnt agree with the writer's politics, they are almost certainly a villain character
4. the "diverse" characters will generally be hyper competent.
5. diversity is frequently "stacked" in a sense. they prefer for characters to have multiple "diverse" traits even if it becomes less and less realistic. like if you have a gay couple, probably a 90% chance its interracial. in addition there is also frequent, what ill call, "vaguely brown character" syndrome, where a character seems to be designed in a way that is very unspecific in what race the character is, but is meant to aesthetically be "poc". there's nothing inherently wrong with a character design that isn't immediately obvious as a certain race, but in the context of progressive works, it comes across more so as an extension of their political love of "poc" alone.
6. male characters that arent villains are typically defined by being hyper timid.
7. masculine behavior is generally always framed in a bad light unless it is being enacted by a lesbian
8. character conflict and growth is often very limited. chances are it boils down to "you don't know how amazing you really are" . if main characters are wrong about something, its probably because someone misled them, or because they don't yet embrace how amazing they supposedly are.
9. they are often very selective in their morality. like in high guardian spice they pretty much let the villain cat lady go but her male ally gets stabbed several times which i assume is mostly because hes male.
and so on
bruh what's unrealistic about an interracial gay couple
i agree w a lot of the points you're making here but there's nothing unrealistic about what you're calling "stacking" minority traits. like sure, not every character has to be intersectional (there's nothing wrong w a couple where both the characters are white), but don't call the ones that _are_ unrealistic.
@@broblerone413 the problem lies in the fact its almost always an interracial couple
@@saoliath5000 yeah ok that makes sense, i figured that's what you meant but got confused when you said that having a character be of multiple minorities is unrealistic. i think it was just a misunderstanding of phrasing
And this just a few of today arts problems. Put actual stories over diversity.
@@saoliath5000 I still dont think its a problem if point 5 was isolated from the rest of the points.
its totally fine and it's nothing unrealistic about it.
What really bugs me about HGS is that Snapdragon had the potential to be a really cool and interesting male character in the all-female led show and they squandered it for "Muh representation". It's one of those "good characters in bad series" tropes, but much like the story and characters, he too falls victim to the agenda of these crazy writers.
If the writers weren't idiots, they would have realized that a character like Snapdragon could have easily been a fan favorite, had they kept him the same character just minus the transgender indoctrination. I personally find it inspiring that his arc was about him defining his own version of himself that isn't a toxic aggressive macho man, finding his own strengths in what he's good in and using that to save the day, proving you don't need to fit the conventional standard to succeed, kind of like how Mulan proved you could be just as good as the boys without becoming/transitioning into one.
It also could have been a really good message to send to young boys who don't fit that mold of the macho, charismatic and athletic male. I'm sure plenty of young men who are feminine presenting or skinnier than other boys would have really liked his character too, but of course we can't have good things anymore.
Professor Calloway, on top of being the creator's obvious self-insert, should have been reprimanded for telling a student about how his transition made him feel good about his body and influencing a clearly distressed and impressionable young boy when he was getting bullied by another student, instead of addressing the bullying head on. This is not only insidious, but I also find it extremely harmful as it pressures young boys who don't fit the traditional male mold, into transitioning into becoming a girl if they can't be a real male. It's like a reverse toxic argument where instead of a boy being mocked for being too girly, he's told that in order to escape the bullying he needs to become the opposite gender, which is just as offensive if you ask me.
Thank you! You summed up the thoughts that I was having a difficult time expressing. Especially the last part where the "moral" for Snapdragon is "if you act like a girl, then just become a girl" kind of deal, which is messed up since it doesn't allow for character nuisance.
It's so much more interesting when boys are depicted as liking "traditionally girly" thing such as sewing or gardening than just saying they're now a girl. One of my favorite examples is Ishida Uryuu from Bleach. He's a smart, capable fighter who also loves sewing. Sure, it's used for comic relief but the other characters don't make fun of him for doing a "girly" hobby (that I remember), rather most of the jokes are because he always put a certain emblem on all the clothing he makes for his friends and some of them aren't exactly thrilled about his design choice.
@@rockinrootbeer1795 What's messed up about HGS is that was really meant to be for kids. The swearing was executive meddling
@@rockinrootbeer1795 Not only do I believe they don't make fun of him for it, I think they approach him at least once, possibly more, to seek his aid in said skill.
@@rockinrootbeer1795 And there's also Gojo from the more recent anime My Dress up Darling who has hobbies that others find "traditionally girly", but Marin supports him and wants him to break out of his shell.
@@ShadowWolfRising
That sounds about right, even though I don't quite remember. But I think at one point, early on in the series, Ichigo's bed spread was shredded then Ishida "fixed" it. For the entire rest of the series, Ichigo's blanket had a Quincy Cross (Ishida's default "emblem" he adds to stuff) on it. Which is hilarious in hind sight considering what is revealed about Ichigo much _much_ later on.
I was once in a situation where I came across this anime and it was a yaoi and I pointed out that the graphics are very pretty but the relationship was something that I didn't like, one person had asked me why did I feel that way and then another person said that I was being homophobic and I straight up told them that the reason why I said that is because one of the men was a teacher putting his hands on the other mc (who is his student) in an inappropriate way, and he's not just doing this to his love interest he's doing this to another character who's younger, I have nothing against same sex relationships but if it's toxic I'm going to call it out and I straight up told them I would have said the same thing even if it was a straight relationship
Is this about Yuri on Ice? If so, I wasn’t too big on that one either. Power dynamics aside, I just felt like their relationship was solely built on sexual attraction. Any indication of the pair liking each other for who they are as people, if there was any, was so meager that I forgot about it. Like where was the romance?
I did like the anime “given”, though.
@@nerasomnia damn was it that obvious? 😅
@@rosaleenstark9187 Not exactly. There’s just not many BL/yaoi anime out there, so I used the process of elimination. The only ones I can think of off the top of my head are Yuri on Ice, given, and Banana Fish. These three shows are all wildly different from each other in both setting and tone.
@@nerasomnia the sad thing is I've seen a few yaois (old ones) where the relationship is toxic but they try to make you think it's not, and they tried to blur the lines of consent
It seems they don't see relationships between teenager boys and adult men as inappropriate. It's like all those jokes about Batman and Robin being gay lovers. Given the age difference between the two the relationship would be one of a rapist and his victim. If you made Robin a girl _no one_ would make the same joke.
Soooo. I am asexual..and don‘t date anyone… so i am hetero-, homo-, pan-, bi- and transphobic? :O
Nah you’re lovephobic
See I can throw words around too like those “activists”
HAHAHAHAHA! Nice one, fellow Ace.
All at once lmao
Sigma mentality. Based
🤣🤣 you nailed it dude
I had an experience with something like this with someone calling me bigoted and transphobic for being Christian saying I'm a fool for quote, "Believing the words of a Dusty old book" in a topic that they started directed towards me. I never said anything negative about LGBTQ people throughout the entire thread as I thought, "There must be some misunderstanding between us."
The thing that started it all was them bringing up Transgenderism out of nowhere and me staying on the original topic that this person wasn't even a part of and saying, "That's confusing."
Black Light Jack: "I'm making my own words now."
Me: "I'm all in for it!"
As an lgbt person it's good to see gay relationships but I don't give it pass on relationships being toxic or unhealthy gay or straight.
same
Riley: not dating bi people is biphobia!
Me an Aro/Ace 👁️👄👁️
I'm aroace too lol
Bisexual erasure such as denying the existence of bisexual people is biphobia. An example is telling a cisgender bi person they’re just straight just because they are dating someone of the opposite gender
Which is worse?
Being hired based on your gender and race to be a diversity hire and having people around you treating you like a victim like "Oh poor you. You can't succeed on your own. Let me help you because I care SO MUCH about your kind" OR
people being honest and upfront with you like "Look I don't want to hide and pretend that I like you. I value my time as much you value yours."?
Unfortunately, many people today would opt for the first because they love being victims.
@@xadalau9758 When the Demand for Victimhood Exceeds the Actual Supply...Activists are making millions convincing people they are victims.
Media like this reminds me that Life Is Strange was a huge proponent in creating works similar to it and making them more mainstream, which is another thing I dislike about these series. A Tumblr fangirl's first world problem ramblings encapsulated into a video game and filled with unrealistic characters, cartoonish villains, cringey teen dialogue and a narrative that gaslights you into believing toxic people are heroic and should be rooted for.
Mandy and Claire's relationship reminds me a lot of Chloe and Max's relationship (coincidentally, they have the same lettered initials in their names) and that's not something you should want or aspire to. It's another case of "inclusivity validation" where the love interest/main lead is a toxic and abusive person to the people they love, but because they fit the checkbox of the niche audience they pander to, suddenly all of the toxic flaws and negative traits get brushed under the rug as if they never existed. I bet you if Chloe was a man, the abuse Max gets would have been called out rightfully so, but because it's a lesbian relationship, suddenly the social justice crowd avert their eyes and use the "we need all the representation we can get" card to excuse bad writing and unhealthy relationships. And the creators of LIS consider their relationship canon despite the two endings, so it counts in this case.
(For the record, I'm not opposed to showing the bad aspects of these characters, I'm more so against the hypocrisy of people who pretend that the bad parts don't exist and that it's all sunshine and rainbows.)
If you ask me, that's not a good message to send to young teens, especially those in gay relationships, because you're ingraining this mindset that they can be as problematic towards their partners as much as they want and expect full obedience from their significant others with no strings attached, criticism or pushback. In reality, this would create more unhealthy dating standards, abusive partners and continue to perpetuate the toxic romantic tropes that these people claim to be against.
As a bisexual person myself, I really dislike that these media are geared towards us, and yet if anyone criticizes it, you're just an (insert bigot word) here. Whatever happened to writers or creators admitting they made a terrible show/movie and trying to better themselves as creatives and making media everyone can enjoy? Oh wait, they're all talentless hacks who think inserting a topical theme is going to make their stories revolutionary.
"Ah I Shot Myself!"
"Stupid Gun!"
Oh no, were Max and Chloe the OG Catradora? She Ra is a guilty pleasure of mine, yet the main ship has ISSUES
I’ve seen a couple of TikTok people say that if you don’t date LGBT people or whatever that you’re homophobic/transphobic. It’s honestly annoying because even though I’m straight, it is called a preference for a reason.
So if someone is trans and only date people like gay or lesbian with that logic that mean that they are heterophobic
Once I readed a manga (unfortunately, I don't remember its name) creating another term that goes very well with "Inclusivity Bias": "Underdogma". The belief that, for belonging to an oppressed group or a lower social class automatically makes you a more noble person that never can do no wrong, while making people from upper classes and more privileged groups blatant douchebags or plain evil people.
Psychologist have began to discover a personality type they've come to call "perpetual victim". Essentially it's like you describe. They've made "victim" the entire core of their personality. They're smug, manipulative, have a superiority complex and believe their supposed eternal victimhood makes them morally superior to others so they can excuse their own mistakes and shortcomings.
There was a UA-camr named Jadyn who's a trans woman. When she got angry she would occasionally decide to call black people the n-word. When called on it she'd begin melting down and crying about how hard her life is because she's trans and how the people criticizing her must he trans phobes. It was both infuriating and incredibly pathetic at the same time.
Well I think that the only flaw in this video are labeling "Inclusivity bias" and "Inclusivity validation" as words when I think that they would be more accurately labeled as terms.
But that doesn't change the fact of how obviously accurate they are.
This might be a bit off topic but there’s a huge issue in the lgbtqia+ community with the slander against people who go unlabeled
I personally go unlabeled myself,and have had no problems with it so far but for others it’s wildly different. I think this is a really interesting topic so I’ll keep it short and let people go research about it on their own but typically in the community people who go by unlabeled are usually seen as queer baiting or “ straight but special “ which is not true at all! People are starting to forget that in this community we made the labels to HELP people find their identity. It’s getting so bad that people feel pressured to make their own sexualities to fit their specific scenario. To everyone out there still experimenting,don’t feel pressured to pick a label,they are meant to be tools to help you identify,not to be your specific identity
Y'know this is actually really nice. I more or less have the problem of feeling like I don't fit in anywhere. Not that I'm looking to pick up labels for myself or anything I'm perfectly fine just being straight and haven't felt the need to experiment sexually or gender identity. However certain reactions to labels and labeling people with those labels makes me uncomfortable with being me. I've seen some nasty things being said and by their definition I'd be lumped in with some pretty horrible people. I'd much rather just go unlabeled and explore me for me. There is a lot more about this thought I have but I'm not going to go into it here. Just wanted to say I appreciate the comment.
@@kindred6453 yo didn’t think anyone would see this but ty!
@@Saltylolz np, you can thank my unhealthy habit of scrolling threw new comments in yt. But in all seriousness it was a good read.
I used to watch two streamers that go under the unlabeled umbrella. For both of these steamers, the fans would force a label onto them. One of the streamers accepted it and now his entire personality has become being gay and non-binary (he goes by he/they pronouns) and his fans, who are mostly LGBTQ+ (and also always claim that “every fan of this specific streamer is gay”) lap it up and say he’s even funnier that way. I got pretty tired of hearing the same jokes over and over again and have stopped watching him since. It’s even gotten to the point where I feel an overwhelming sense of annoyance whenever I hear his name, which is upsetting because I used to be a huge fan of his content and even after he came out, I still watched him, but I stopped because all he could talk about was how much he likes men and how gay he is. (Though I’m not sure I could use this as an example because he DID say he was okay with the gay label after coming out but everyone ignored the unlabeled thing and just went, “HE’S A GAY BOY!!!”)
The other one was upset at his fans for forcing a label onto him when he didn’t even say he was unlabeled but all he said was that he “wasn’t straight.” Now the fans of the second one are saying he’s asexual, once again forcing another label onto him. It’s pretty annoying, tbh.
Unlabeled people shouldn’t have to feel pressured to accept a label. People have free will and shouldn’t feel restricted to who and what they are. Unlabeled people are incredibly valid.
I think saying a single mother who brings guys home every night is a misogynistic or sexist stereotype is wrong since there are women who do this and it does hurt a child's development since it can confuse them as to who they look for as a father figure or just make them generally confused as to why their mother is bringing strangers home every night which may mess them up socially. In I'm Not Starfire it is handled poorly but when it is a real thing that harms children I don't think it should be called a misogynistic stereotype. Still it is nice to see another great video from you.
It is when the character is slut shamed. Context matters. But also your position has to include gay realsionships.
I'm pretty sure the big problem about it was that not only was it done with a beloved DC character who would obviously never do this to her child but it was also a poor attempt to demonize her.
You basically just said "fatherless behavior"
But for real tho,
I'm pretty sure they meant that it was an inaccurate portrayal of Starfire and it's misogynistic cos when thinking about what to do in order to add strain to the mother-daughter relationship, all the author could come up was "mom is a bimbo".
An absent father figure, celebrity lifestyle, lots of expectations, etc. None of this needed Starfire to be scantily clad in every scene while also having so many men come to the house in order for Mandy to dislike her mom. The mother-daughter relationship would've still been strained even if Star had a long-term partner. It just seemed unnecessary and it seemed fairly obvious Mariko (the author) was modeling Star after her own mother.
@@spectre9340 Is "mom is a bimbo" not a valid way to create conflict in character relationships? As I said children have suffered from having irresponsible mothers and the fact the writer chose that way in order to create conflict doesn't mean it's misogynistic it is just one of the many ways in which you can create conflict in character relationships.
I don't know what you mean with that second paragraph, should the auhor not take from real life experience? I understand that Starfire is not really Starfire in the comic and that they should have went with an original character but why would adding compounding elements to character relationships be bad?
@@MutatedPercent I agree but the stereotype is still called misogynistic, sexist and offensive which I disagree with and don't think is true.
Some ex-friends from Discord had horrible inclusivity bias, basically acting exactly like how these delusional creators do. We used to role play as a little group and they did this exact shit with their characters.
And they took it a step further where if you disagreed with them on just about anything, they'd find a way to twist the situation around to label you as something-phobic or say that you wanted to call them slurs. The whole situation where our friendship ended was a load of bullshit, and I'm glad I cut their toxicity out of my life.
Gets some better friends✨
@@lavandergalaxy3669 life's been better since I stopped talking to them 👍
How you saied, Inclusivity Bias also hurts people who are trying to includ. Example not so long ago:
Heartstopper is a slice of live love story between two boys. It started as webcomic but it got a tv show. I must admit, i like it. But author has IB, because one of her old comments is about how her comic is better than those from japan because she doesn't fetishies gay boys. And well, this comment was from years ago so there is a chance that she changed her mind.
But twitter defenitly didn't.
There is also other comic, Boyfriends, is also a slice of life romace about poly gay relationship. Yea, it's kinda cringe, but harmless. But twitter got very angry at it because they assumed that a cishet woman wrote it. But the author is a trans gay men. So by trying to "protect" a gay mens, those people hurted actual one and started to act transphobic on top of that.
Thats why i'm afraid to share my work, i'm non binary bi who has a lot of queer characters, but when i'm gonna do something "wrong", people will jump on me and say transphobic and biphobic sh*t trying to "protect" lgbt people, even tho i am a part of it.
Oh remember that time when someone created rule 63 fan art for a visual novel daddy dating game? They got mad because one of the dads was trans, thus they claimed the artist was transphobic "forcing that character to detransition"?
Instead of thinking the more logical possibility of an alternate Rule 63 universe where (said "daddy") was born Male, but transitioned into being Female. Thus no "detransitioning" ocurred.
Some people just want to fight for a cause so badly that they will make it up if they have to. Trust me, I had someone in my own personal life who was that way for years. (Not about being trans, but just.... General growing up things. She once called me a (sorry, not "called", but "screamed and cried about how I am") a hoarder because there were dust bunnies under the couch.... that we specifically moved so we could Vaccuum said dust bunnies. Kind of like that.)
1:41 - 2:09 Spot on BlackLightJack. It's insane how many people fall so easily to that trojan horse. I get not wanting be the "bad guy" and alienate others, but if they slow down a minute to stop being outraged and objectively observe their behavior, what they want isn't "equality".
Their demand for racism/outrage outweighs the supply, so what do they do? Conflate and generate it themselves 🤦♂️ While calling everyone who disagree's or points out inconsistencies in their logic as ists or phobes 🤷♂️
These "writers" have no idea how to make a character. Whatever they do is just for the sake of inclusivity and everytime someone points out how bad it is the Twitter mob comes over and calls them a [insert latin or any modern word that sucks now]phobe or racist. If you want to add a diverse set of characters make them for the sake of the story, not for the sake of inclusion. What drives the character to do what they do? What *actual* obstacles are in their way to reach their objective? Will the character change in their journey? These are just some of the questions needed to make a character and that are answered indirectly in a story. Nobody wants to follow the journey of a bitch or a jerk all the way through. Nobody wants to be lectured about stuff that happened in the past and why they are responsible for it. Everyone wants to pick a piece of entertainment and escape the cruel world that surrounds them even for a minute; that was the whole point of entertainment since the dawn of romanticism back in the 1700's. Writers back then didn't liked the world that surrounded them so they created their own worlds to escape it. What ever we see, read or play through doesn't have to reflect reality.
Hi, I have a question, is it okay to have Victorian steampunk theme mashed with modern technology? I making comic story called tale of wonder inspired by demons slayer, black butler, Alice in wonderland with arcane theme.
@@Daydream-247 It's your work, you decide how to make it. I suggest you find a beta reader, be willing to hear criticism and keep testing until you get the right mix you're looking for.
@@lonekirin905 okay! Thanks for the respond.
Agreed. I write a lot of gay and bisexual men. Not for the sake of inclusion but because that's the default for me. It's why I like writing sci fi and fantasy cause it gives me the freedom to do so while making it feel natural. My favorite creation being the Kingdom of Eden, a space nation populated entirely by genetically augmented men.
@@Daydream-247 that sounds like a cool setting!
I don't know if this counts, but I found it kinda weird when watching steven universe they said that all the gems were genderless, but we never saw any gems that identified as anything other than female. Idk, seems a little weird to me.
Maybe it's just because Gems only see one gender in their kind that they're "genderless" (hence why the other Diamonds referred to Steven as a "she" for a time). Besides that, they physically lack any sexual parts by default (the exception being shapeshifting).
I think people are forgetting that the correct approach is to view other human beings as individuals who should only be judged by the contents of their character.
17:39 The She-ra reboot that romanticized a toxic lesbian relationship to the very end, pushed meaningful character development and lore aside in order to seem more 'fun' and 'quirky' and glorifies abusive attention from adults while casting aside healthy behaviors from actual helpful figures like Queen Angela.
lgbtqia+ representation is rlly good but the main important thing is that it shouldn't be just slapped there for brownie points and cuz, "oh this is what gets us more money!" (from ppl that dont even know their lgbtqia+ history) it should be represented correctly, and you shouldn't let your bias mindset get the better of you tbh
it´s actually really easy to include LGBT in a story, just write a character and make them whatever kind of minority you want them to be, I have a trans friend and he´s just a regular guy, he doesn´t go around announcing it because it doesn´t matter, and that´s what these writers miss, if they make a character first and lgbt second no one bats an eye at it, it´s still inclusive without being a token, My Hero Academia has 2 trans characters and not once is it mentioned in the series
Unfortunately, a lot of the time in media, when having an LGBTQ+ character, writers often make that their entire character, example being Riverdale’s Toni Topaz and Kevin Keller. If they don’t do that, then the FANS make it their entire character.
As someone in the Project Sekai community, I’ll see a very well-written character (Minori for example) and just because she has an admiration/a crush on another girl, all people see her as is “feral lesbian energy.” There’s also Vivid Bad Squad, which consists of two guys and two girls. The two duos of the same gender are pretty close as they were singing partners before they formed their group together. But because of the homoerotic tension with the characters, people get gatekeepy about the non-canonical sexualities. If you say any of the characters in that band are bi, pan, ace, het, etc., you’re gonna be receiving death threats and labeled as a homophobe.
Not to mention that the Project Sekai fandom applauds ships that are toxic because they’re gay ships. The girl Minori I just mentioned? She had a parasocial relationship with the girl, Haruka, she’s pining after and puts her on a high pedestal of “she can do no wrong, she’s haruka.” Haruka clearly states that she wants to be treated like a normal person but Minori constantly puts her on that pedestal. Minori HAS gotten character development and has begun to treat Haruka better, but even before this development, people shipped them because it’s two girls. They overlooked that fact of broken boundaries and for a while, Haruka was just “Minori’s gf” (they’re not even canonically dating btw).
This went off on a rant here but I had to get this out of my system, lol.
@@_meriessa
The best LGBTQ+ characters in media (books, movies, shows/series, etc.) I've ever seen all fall under the same category...
*"Show. Don't tell."*
If a creator wants to have LGBTQ+ characters, and if they want these characters to have a good, wide-reaching audience reception, they've all followed that simple rule.
Yuri on Ice, for instance, displays a gay romantic relationship between two of the main characters - and no character ever beat the audience over their heads with it. In fact, I don't think the word "gay" was ever uttered by a single character (at least, not in the English dub.) No characters ever continuously commented on the sexuality of Yuri or Viktor. Neither were praised (nor were they ever shamed) for their relationship. It just... happened. That was it. It felt natural.
Of course, "Show. Don't tell." Can be used for a range of other character traits/characteristics, too.
Ngl, your criticism for other media helps me know what and what not to do when comes to writing
Netflix SheRa also is a good example reflecting everything you said here. Including the toxic lesbian romance that only gets praise just because it's sapphic.
@@diamondminer5459 yes they were so much better! i hate how catradora rarely gets called out for how toxic it is
as a female, sexism against men labeled as “feminism” is the stupidest shit ever.
Now that you mention it, I've that alot of toxic "lgbt" relationships have gotten a wall of defense when ever someone points them out. I've seen them counter with pointing out the toxic relationship of the Joker and Harley Quinn, ignoring the fact the Joker is a bad guy and Harley does eventually leave him in the animated series.
And that Harley is almost nearly as evil as the Joker. And that their relationship was never written to be anything BUT "toxic/abusive" from its inception. And how they also romanticize Harley/Ivy because their "lesbians" but also ignore that their relationship has also been written as toxic as well. It's kinda wild how these people act lol.
the only reason they defend these kind of lgbt relationships is because well there lgbt they don't care if its toxic it being lgbt is the only thing that matters to them.
Only one that really comes to mind was catradora and people were defending it like their lives depended on it.
It’s almost like those people can’t accept the fact abuse can come from women because it doesn’t fit their narrative
@@espio329 Also the first life is strange with Chloe and Max. I know the She-rees get upset at any critism of DreamWorks She-Ra, but you mention the problems with that ship they really get mad. I don't even think some watched the whole series because they mentioned Catra's redemption arch and that was the laziest "arch" ever.
Please, if you want diversity in heroes, PLEASE have diversity in the villains. 💀
The mean girls in I am not starfire are tall, slender or athletic built. The love interest is short, not super skinny (not fat either but inbetween). There is a prejudice hidden in it against thin, tall, athletic women. Might be envy, or some bad girls/women in her life that were mean to her.
I think the creator of The Legend of Korra once said that if you think that Korra and Asami's relationship came of of nowhere you just didn't want to see it (or more straightforward, you're homophobic) or something like that.
Let me paraphrase one quote:
"I guess you don't know writing as well as you think you do. You miscalculated. I love good story more than I fear being called homophobic."
I still didn't see The Legend of Korra, it's just a thing that I saw some time ago. I think it's a good example of what you're talking about
i remember that. Something about “Having our hetero lenses on” or some Bs like that. My gay ass watched all seasons and barely found a hint outside of late season 3, Ya know. near the end of the series. Also, in wouldn’t even consider asami a character. She’s just a plot device to push the story forward. Need someone who’s not a bender but has good technology skills? Asami. No one else for korra in the main groupto get with cause she burned through 1 relationship and use said relationships brother to get to her first relationship without out any consequences(I will always hate mako for this) Asami.
@@espio329 Same as a Bi myself you know the same as BOTH Asami and Korra I saw zero hints
These people clearly have Homolenses
Remember these are the same people who would attack you for preferring a canon ship that happens to be straight and not the fan one that’s hay
@@espio329 I always saw asami as the batman of the group lol she's just the rich person with no parents
@@demetriusmarshall8226 Except Batman's more than a plot device.
@@Oturan20 still love asami more tho lol
I think it's a lot rarer to find things _without_ inclusivity biases. It's all about bitterness and lashing out in ways that you think won't get you ostracized from society because you can always fall back on the "it isn't real" card, which is _far_ from a new phenomenon. Give _The Divine Comedy_ a read sometime. Even then, Dante Alighieri himself wasn't actually exiled for _The Divine Comedy_ as most people suspect, but for _De Monarchia,_ a lesser known nonfictional work that was actually _more_ hot button than his juvenile quasi-biblical revenge fantasy for reasons lost to general pop culture because understanding its context requires knowing a few things about 14th century Florentine politics. It wasn't so much that popes and bishops were particularly thin-skinned (necessarily, anyway...), but that political loyalty and trust was a matter of life and death, and Mr. Alighieri was the kind of guy all but _destined_ to piss off the wrong people eventually. See also Copernicus, whose condemnation had _nothing_ to do with "science", but similar political shenanigans, in contrast to what fedora-tipping pop historians might have told you.
In my experience, it all comes down to ego, as if their fixation on "pride" wasn't already a huge red flag. When you think you're so awesome and critical to the proper functioning of the universe, it's only logical that you must assume that everyone else's thoughts _also_ revolve around you. When other people aren't bending over backwards to stroke their ego, it _can't_ be out of indifference or other people simply having lives outside of said narcissist, or that most people _don't_ voice every errant thought that crosses their mind. No, it must be out of hatred. Why else _wouldn't_ you announce your loyalty to the protagonist?
In reality, their lives aren't half as bad as they make it out to be. They think they're hated by men who steer clear of them because they know that most normal people put their sympathies behind the woman and don't want to play rigged games. They think they're oppressed by Christians, but think _Raiders of the Lost Ark_ and _Supernatural_ are biblically accurate. They think they're oppressed by capitalism, but everything they know about capitalism comes from _Hunger Games_ first and Milton Friedman _never._ They think they're oppressed by white people, while most murder-happy hellholes are dominated by murderous gangs of their _own_ races. They think they're oppressed by right-wingers, but think the Third Reich was some kind of small-government pro-religious capitalist dreamland that right-wingers want. They think straight people oppress them, when in reality it's just that most straight people consider the thought of two people of their own sex getting it on to be a boner killer... and queer identitarians should _know this._ They hate Western literature and culture, but think that _The Lion King_ is identical to _Hamlet_ (it's not) and _At the Mountains of Madness_ is about blue-blooded educated New Englanders being an unstoppable super-race (it's really, _really_ not). Not only are they cowards, but they're so ignorant of everything that the breadth of things that terrifies them basically encompasses everything normal. Why do you think they call people "-phobic"? They're so terrified of the real world that they have to see it broken down and destroyed at its very foundation and eradicated from the face of the earth, despite not knowing a thing about it. It's a lot like... what's that _other_ insult they like to throw out a lot?
As a lesbian I hate how these shows portray the LGBTQ. It’s like as long as it’s gay it’s ok to be as toxic as possible, it’s a relationship it has hard times that both partners need to work together to fix. The whole point of having a relationship between two characters is so they can have two people who can support each other.
The owl house is a great example of what a inclusive show should be.
One more examples would be the new Heroes of the Universe. He-man dies in episode 1, and from then on it's the Teela show. Not only that, Adam is torn down at every opportunity, as only Teela's feelings ever matter. For example she's mad she wasn't let in on the secret, and proceeds to throw a tantrum in front of parents who just lost their child. Later, she meets up with Adam in the afterlife and shits on him for 'leaving her', when he died saving the dang universe.)
That's really strange. Considering He-Man could very well have been written as gay.
It reminds me to something I read time ago.
"If to make your characters look like the heroes of your story you must twist everything to look as bad as possible... Maybe your characters aren't good at all"
You know how we get around inclusivity bias? Start by writing them as villains. Nope, I'm serious, and it's because villains usually require a higher amount of writing capabilities to pull off. Villains literally MAKE the story.
I think Batman would for once consider breaking his "No Killing Rule" if that pig from Im Not Starfire was his granddaughter.
While I think inclusivity is good, it should also be well written and shouldn’t be made that big of a deal. I think a problem lately is that when any type of representation is added and they make a big deal of it, it just seems like they did it to ‘be inclusive’ and not because they want genuine representation. And I believe that you shouldn’t have to write a non minority character bad just to make the one/one’s being represented look good. It’s not true inclusivity if characters that are either straight or male or cis etc to look like the bad guys when those that are LGBTQ+ or other minorities are written to look like the good guys.
I'm bisexual too, so that guy and people like him just freaking annoy me because we're already seen as freaks of nature, and that guy just hammers it in more.
Ever since I’ve started watching your videos. I come to realize that no matter what community within world. There is sadly going to be bad apples. Which this video explains why.
I am female who isn’t homophobic, racist, ableist, or etc. But finding out that there are people who I thought would be on the good side turn out to be toxic just as much as the other side unfortunately.
Still sad that there are females in this world that think like this.
Either way keep up the good work.
I'm White, Cis, hetero, italian and "privileged" HOWEVER I have the COSTANT FEAR of sharing even 1 single thought about LGBT community or any movement. Just to say how "inclusivity" is working in the world.
Cry about it lolz
@@meatchips4936?
@@iaii994 he's acting like a victim, when clearly he isn't
@@meatchips4936 why do you think he is not innocent?
please dont misunderstand im not asking in a bad sense or smth like that
"Inclusivity is a thing made by the Tumblr generation"
Me, a conservative Tumblr user: Damn, you're not wrong.
I feel like the furry fandom as a whole has an inclusivity bias. When I joined the fandom I considered myself straight, but everywhere I looked, I saw nothing but hate and disgust towards straight people, especially men like myself. Further people in the furry community near me had bombarded me with gay nsfw content, statements, and questions to to the point I started questioning my sexuality. Now here I am. I feel hated, and confused with my sexuality
that's not inclusivity bias that's just a big glorified popularity contest full of emotionally unstable manchildren, lol. I speak from personal experience. don't listen to cucks.
New Vegas probably has some of the best rep, Arcade Gannon is gay, but is still a sarcastic and enjoyable companion, and Veronica is a lesbian who can punch the shit outta anyone but her dream is to get a fancy dress. Its also the first Fallout game (I think) to feature same sex counterparts of Lady Killer and Black widow, perks designed to give you an upper hand against the opposite sex via seduction.
The whole point of feminism is to make men and women equal, not that women are superior to men, that’s just battling sexism with sexism
That thumbnail is the fuel of nightmares.
The worst part is that, in the comments, we have people shilling for shows like The Owl House and She-Ra and the Princesses of Power, which are also guilty of Inclusivity Bias and IdPol IMO.
facts
The owl house is a good show??
@@meatchips4936 To some. Mediocre to others.
@@NebLleb still, there's no bias. Every character is treated relatively well, there isn't a "big bad white straight guy" or "I don't approve of X demographic so I will treat it like shit in my show". Also the main protagonist romance is well build and it's not toxic.
She-ra is confusing for me
Because the creators say that people in that world don't think about gender at all when it comes to dating
But then they go and give several character a specific sexuality
Inclusivity can only work with good writting, I rather have a bad written heterosexual couple than a gay one, because there will be thousand of better hetero couples out there to compare.
Gay couple are rare and when it's badly written, you can't find a good one next to it.
This really reminds me of steven universe for example, where there are LGBT characters but some are horribly written. In the show, Pearl is a lesbian character, she is in love with Rose Quartz, a soldier who fought against a race called Diamonds who wants to destroy the earth, throughout the show the feeling Pearl as for Rose is praised by fans and medias but at the end of the seasons, we discovered that Rose Quartz is not only a fake identity, but she was in fact a diamond and diamonds on the show use pearls as slaves. By making this revelation, Rebecca Sugar the creator of the show, literally consider a couple as master and slave as "romantic" which is completely fucked up and plain wrong, Pearl knew about the identity of Rose and continue to serve her like all the others pearls serve their diamond, she was Rose slave even after her revelation and when Rose died, Pearl was lost and could never recover from it!!!!!!! Wtf.
I used to love their relationship even though Pearl never said to Rose she loved her and they never be truly together, but her love for Rose was at least genuine and showed, now? I feel bad to ship them because it's just an abuse relationship and abuse in LGBT couples in medias are dozen of thousands...
People claim writting gay couples is hard but it's not, if you can write a straight couple, YOU CAN write a gay couple, if you do it and failed at it, you're a bad writter.
This. All of this.
Hrm, in retrospect, it feels like Pearl was constantly being forced to accept that Rose/Pink made a lot of big mistakes.
And even though Ruby's and Sapphire's situation was kinda similar - Ruby being Sapphire's servant, and Sapphire giving up her noble status to run off with her - there's still a big difference. Pearl mostly just went along with Pink's choices. Ruby and Sapphire each made a spontaneous choice to protect each other, even knowing it would go against the order of Blue's court.
I agree with almost everything except your statement that "inclusivity can only work with good writing" het couples can have trash writing so why can't queer couples? This idea that they need to be 10x better than their straight counter parts is very micro aggressive. You're implying that queer people NEED to better just to get even a sliver of the recognition when they should just exist in media, just like straight people. Judge the writing on just that, the writing, not the characters orientation.
The obsession of pearl over Rose has been and always will be depicted as wrong by the show, it's abusive and it's written as such because guess what, rose is not a good person.
@@meatchips4936 The show never treat her obsession as wrong lol, they either treat it as "cute" or "quirky", I just want to reminds you they write an entire song of pearl crying over the lost of rose (it's over isn't it?) and the clip was draw in a more poetic and romantic way.
The only time the show "tried" to fix Pearl's obsession was when they made an episode of pearl meeting a pink hair lady (who LOOKS exactly like rose) and this girl was never mentioned and pearl never talk about her anymore.
A long time ago I made a comment about writing characters better because too many people focus on someone's sexuality instead of them having other traits.
This video helps prove my point about the biases people have when you question them about the topic of inclusivity.
I was even told that since I wasn't part of the alphabet people group I couldn't talk about it let alone write about it.
It was sad. Good video though
"Inclusivity Bias"= new term, it is not a new word.
I kinda want to tease him, as he's creating new phrases, not words. lol
put it in the urban dictionary
Man.
Anyone remember being taught The Golden Rule in school?
Treat others how you want to be treated?
Yea. I do. Wonder if they still teach that.
I saw a comment on another video that made sense like this: authors and creators like, say, those on High Guardian Spice (or YA novels as the comment said), were decided to be part of the marketing push for the product. It wasn't just the show or book they were advertising; it was the creators. Some people have caught on to that.
I love this video, everything this dude says is true and its sad. There's a lot of people and artist who say that they want the world to be open-minded and accepting but have a habit of not being really accepting themselves.
15:02 the dude even tries to determine some Smash Bros. Characters Sexuality by their character design. And guess what, they say they're not straight!
Seriously??? 😅
@@Pandachu123 I really wish I was kidding
@@ren_suzugamori1427 I guess they really wanted to make Mario x Bowser real (in their head).
@@tenebraequeene did you watch the video I referred to?
I hate seeing minority characters made out to seem like that’s their whole personality, gives actual minorities a bad stereotype. I’d rather see characters who are their own characters, with likes, dislikes, goals, wants, etc- that happen to be a minority. Don’t make someone’s race, sexuality, gender, disabilities, etc their whole personality.
I love how you brought up Riley Justin Dennis. I disliked that guy for years.
As a gay non transitioned trans male I can say with confidence that high guardian spice is not a good show just because there are LGBT people in it.
@@FireGlitch I do not identify as one but I do have the body of one yes. Also it's fine if you were just curious. 😁
@@FireGlitch he’s a man. Trans people are the gender they say they are regardless if they transitioned or not.
Now that you spoke this, this is more of the line of 90's humor, back then EVERYTHING was stereotyped, but it was hot property back in the day. And I mean BACK THEN. Gay men were portrayed as "fruity people", and lesbians were described as "butch men", as for transsexuals..... I have no idea, I don't think they were shown in the '90s. Today it's more diverse, and more accepting of others and their wishes, sadly no one thinks that today.
Speaking from experience, a lot of it is just people who want to continue the whole clique mentality formed in highschool and carrying it on into the work force. Granted, we know that cliques like that have always existed but what's so egregious about this is that they're trying to say it's a necessary thing.
From what I learned, you still need certain egotistical 'things' in order to join their cliques and when it comes to diversity clubs and all this shit, it's usually all White women or if there is diversity, it's just a 'colorful' mix of women who share the same shitty attitude who don't get shit done and all their 'projects' are terrible because all they care about is telling other people who awful they are for not being in their cesspool of a 'club'.
I hate people who think blackwashing "doesn't exist" just because there are less black characters than white characters. Like, if whitewashing is drawing a character lighter than they truly are or drawing a POC as white, then blackwashing is the opposite, drawing a character darker than they truly are or drawing a white character as black. It's just so easy to understand
I mean it also sucks because sometimes drawing a OC that is black will still get racism
Have you watched The Predator? One of the characters is every autism stereotype rolled into one and the Predators are literally trying to weaponize autism.
The director of that movie still deserves more respect than inclusivity creators, because at least he did not cry Ableism when people did not like his shit movie. This is a very low bar to clear, but that is where we are now.
Snapdragon felt more like a non binary than anything, everything they felt sounded so familiar, I'M non binary, but then they slapped "oh yes trans now because we hate men", can we just steal Snapdragon and put them in something better?
Hmm, reminds me of the Ladybug and Chatnoir show. The creator and his writing is just wack. Less trashy than Guardian Spice, but the same flaws are present in a less pronounced manner.
I have autism.
am I the only one who does not care at all about "representation?" people care so much about needing more representation for autism or lgbtq stuff, and I don't care in the slightest. am I the only one who thinks that way?
I am also on the Spectrum, and I don’t really care representation too much. I think it important to show all characters from all differences, but it important to keep the actual story unless their differences are somehow important. Adding representation can easy as long as you have actual characters and do your research on it. But yeah, people are crazy about “diversity” points.
@@lavandergalaxy3669 yeah. If someone wants to add something about autism and it actually helps with the plot or makes the show better, I am good for it, but I don't want people feeling pressured to wedge it in there. I want people to put what they want in their media without feeing pressured to have "representation"
way too many Genshin Impact fans on twitter do this. Some artists recieve hate for shipping heterosexual ships instead of gay ones. it's so sad.
Jack, I completely forgot that high guardian spice was categorized as an anime until you said “yuri baiting”.
Thanks for reminding me.... -_-
Growing up I always tried to avoid having a self insert character mainly because I wanted to separate fiction from reality also sometimes the character might get beaten up or it is scripted for them to be killed off. So if it was a self insert character that would make a bad impression on the reader especially if this person just wanted to read it for story….in my opinion
Why do they hate starfire so much I’ve never seen a dc fan hate starfire this much or even at all
I don’t think she cares about that at all.
With High Guardian Spice I hated they had to turn Snapdragon into a trans girl. I hate that whenever there's a guy who likes girl-oriented stuff they force him into being trans. What's wrong with being a male and liking girl-oriented things? Wouldn't it be way more inclusive to have him be a male and like girl clothes like he's so confident in his own masculinity and in who he is he doesn't feel care what he wears? Honestly, it could had been interesting for him to remain like that and and up with the purple hair girl like "yeah we don't care". Yet again, the creator has stated that she wants to kill all men so 🙄
I can't live in the same neighborhood as those type of those people, I can accept they existing in the same world, I don't care of everyone thinks I'm racist or supremacist, I can't stand they progress speech neither their appearance anymore
Majority of these woke writers are women pushing this nonsense to kids.
YES.
If you’re not trans or something you instantly get treated like trash
It’s so mind blogging that Raye says high guardian spice’s is so diverse because it’s all women. White women, specifically, minus Raye. So how is that diverse if the entire directing crew or whatever is all white women? Asking as a black woman.