'XL' Super 8 Cameras | What Are They?
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
- Have you ever been looking at Super 8 Cameras and noticed some models labeled 'XL'? Well it doesn't stand for Extra Large, but these cameras do work a little differently than other Super 8 cameras. Let's find out why XL Super 8 cameras might just be some of the more popular and preferred kinds out there.
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I’ve been shooting with a Minolta XL601 since 2013 and honestly never knew what the XL stood for. I have a stack of cartridges I’ve shot since then and I’m just now starting to get them processed and scanned. Sending the first cartridge I ever shot out to Pro8mm tomorrow. Solid video, man! Just subscribed.
Extended Light.
Hey you forgot to say that a 180° shutter angle looks more natural in motion blur and moving scenes.
Hey man! I have a Chinon 213P XL. Everything seems to function correctly but when I try to test the aperture by shining a light in the lens, nothing is moving or changing in there? Does this mean it’s not working or is the aperture fixed?
Do you think you could make a video on metering super 8 cameras? I understand that the internal light meters are typically fairly degraded by this point, necessitating manual exposure.
Yes definitely!
@@AnalogResurgence i got a canon 518 SV autozoom + minolta 601xl and I never understood how to manually expose, and i don't think i will also do a good job without using some kind of meter. i don't feel like manual metering with a camera like a super8- would be an easy task [especially in cameras like the minolta where your f/stop information is displayed outside your viewfinder...
@@AnalogResurgence you ever end up making a video about metering?
I realize this is an older video…I inherited a Minolta XL sound 42….went to look at 8mm carts…soooo expensive. I feel like we need to get Kodak or lomography to make new film carts 😅
XL is the combination of a wide shutter angle + a high speed lens. Most XL cameras have a f/1.4 or f/1.2 lens. Having a 220 degrees shutter angle with a f/2.8 lens wouldn't make it an XL. I think the Minolta 601 is on the edge of being an XL camera with its f/1.7 lens. It's a full stop slower than the 401 which has a f/1.2 lens.
Looks like you framed for what would become 16:9 then cropped in on the S8 footage, is that right? If so, did you eyeball it or somehow get some aspect ratio guidance markers in the viewfinder??
Hi am from Algeria i have 409 XL 🙏🏻♥️🇩🇿
What film do you recommend for an argus 831-XL? Its Japanese
I have a chinon gaf xl 112 can I still use Kodak super 8 film ?
the big problem is that these cameras are over forty years old and often in poor condition. In addition, they are not repairable, with a lot of plastic, nothing is made to last, they are toys for amateurs.
Hi!
Very interesting your informations!
I did not know this technical feature...
I show my few movies, with a Canon 514 XL-S AF camera, but, many years ago!
Ok. It's all! Thank you so much for this video.
My regards.
*Does ANYONE knows of Compact Super8 models that are:*
1. Not XL type
2. Have 18fps+ 1single fps modes
3. Have a folding handle
??
I inherited a Minolta Autopak-8 D4, has all of those functions as well as a light meter lock. Goes for $20-60 on ebay, pretty decent prices compared to other cameras.
@@perpetualvacuum4310 Very nice! Seems a bit big model but ok. Wonder if there are more compact Super8's that are not XL type...
When growing up my family had the Kodak XL33 that was bought in 1972, but as years passed from not using it since 1983. In 1994 when i tried it out, it didnt work. Comes to find out Kodak used cheap plastic gears that eventually turn to goo after a few years.. but thanks to other family members giving me cameras in the late 90s and early 00s. I have a few in my collection. Nothing fancy. A few bell and howell xl20 and a Chinon from the early 1980s that my late uncle gave me before he passed. I enjoy using my super 8 for taking family get togethers. Its been a few years since i shot anything. So i just ordered the new Ektachrome to try out. But i do miss the Kodachome 40.
Great video, thanks!
You’re doing the lords work my guy. Keep up the great work
How much is this camera worth
Hey thanks for the very informative video! Gonna embark on my Super 8 journey soon and your videos help a lot! Can I ask which one did you use for the footage at the end of the video? Thanks!
That stuff was using a trusty Minolta XL401!
@@AnalogResurgence Nice thanks!
I just got a super 8 Eumig xl
I have a bell and Howell I need help
I Love your show!!! #AnalogResurgence #SuperEightFilm #Super8
what do you thing about Canon 510XL ? Recently give that camera, everything works fine, the lens and aperture through the inside look clean, but I don't see many descriptions about this camera ... next week I go to proove and I have fear /: thanks for your channel !!!!
Could you do a side by side test with the android app which is Super 16 by Dmitry Shatilov as this does super 8 etc and a normal Super 8 camera and get 500T film and video the exact same scene and compare to see if the app is like the actual film.
Awesome video! Just picked up a Sankyo Super LXL 250 and I’m currently on a search for film for it! It says it uses ASA 25 or ASA 40. Can I find that anywhere today and could I use something else? Thanks a ton!
Hi. I have a Gaf 64 camera. I was wondering what button battery it takes? I can’t find the answer anywhere!
Hi, great content. Do you have any info on the Yashica 20XL ? I'm looking around for info but can't find any video reviews, Thanks.
I own the Canon Auto Zoom 814XL. It produces pretty decent results but an issue I have with it is when shooting on 24 FPS, which is the only FPS I use, it runs the batteries down fairly quickly and since the compartment screw is worn down it’s a total bitch trying open it up. Still, can’t go back to digital.
XL super 8 cameras have limited applications but, in general, I never liked them. They soften the image too much.
Do you know anything about the Elmo 614 XL Macro? 🥺👉👈
So what is the bottom line on the overall quality though? Do you think XL cameras’s end up shooting noticeably better?
Im trying to shoot surfing on a canon 310xl & im worried that i wont have enough zoom & the surfers will be out of focus is there anyway i can extend the zoom on my camera lens??
The extension tubes would increase your focal length if the zoom isn’t enough for you, but they might cut down on the light that’s getting to the film meaning the camera will have to compensate by opening the aperture up more meaning you would lose depth of field so your focus would be shallower. I’m not sure exactly what the impact of exposure would be but I know for example on a 16mm Bolex extension tubes will impact the exposure.
@@AnalogResurgenceThanks, that helps alot.. do you think the canon hl h43 tele converter would be better option or would it be the same as extention tube?
I was just wondering today, what shutter angle was….. so thank you!! 👍
Thanks for the succinct and valuable information drop, buddy!
Found a Bolex/Chinon 625XL a couple days ago for $2 and the dang thing works! (A first for a camera I Thrifted locally) I also found a B&H 670XL but you know typical 70s Bell and Howell, works fine for maybe a few minutes, and then things randomly go wrong and that’s all she wrote for that one…🫤
thank you so much for this video...getting into film shooting for the first time and you have been tun of help!
Perhaps an ND filter can compensate for the excess of light?
yes it can. Some super 8 cameras even had a built in ND filter that could be flipped in and out. Like the Revue Cockpit S 8 RM for example. But for most cameras you'd need one that fits the screwmount of the lens. But yea, that is definitely a good way to compensate.
This is great. I'm using a Eumig Mini 5 (1970s) at the moment but just bought a Braun Nizo Integral 7 from the 80s and hope to test it soon but did come across these XL models and wasn't sure what the heck they were about.
Hi men I have a question. I own a Canon Auto Zoom 518 (8mm). And I used it once, i used a 50D Vision but I have an issue. After recieving my digital footage I found out that like 2/3 of my footage is overexposed. 1/3 of the usable footage looks pretty good but the other 2/3 is just white (I was recording on a very sunny day). Does this mean that 50D is not good enough for these heavy sunny days or do you think it has to do something with my super 8 camera? I need your help. Thanks.
50D is great for bright outdoors, so it may be something with your camera but it's very hard for me to know based on the description. It would be best to maybe contact the lab that developed the film and see if they can help you determine what is wrong.
Thank you for your informative camera reviews. Please add a tear down of a Kodak XL movie camera, right down to the iris blades. I must correct you on one comment, that “Kodak had its own format”. It’s format was Super 8, the format created by Kodak, and universally used, except by one Japanese company which used a non-standard cassette but nevertheless conformed to the Super 8 image size, 8mm film width, and perforation size and location, so that it could be shown in the standard Super 8 projector.
yes the Japanese used Single 8 and personally i find it sad that it did not become the more common outside Japan because Single 8 was definitely WAY better with its pressure plate inside the camera. Something that really made shooting on Super 8 a bit of a hit or miss with jittering.
very well done , its very nice you make those videos informative and short. kudos
i recently found a Kodak XL 360 in really nice condition for only $20. would this be a solid camera to get started with?
I do not recommend it. Those old Kodak branded super 8 cameras were often very cheaply made with plastic components that have degraded over time and often no longer work.
Dude! I did not know about this XL thing!
And I just ordered a Minolta XL-601 today!
I plan on shooting outside on daylight with 50D mostly, and I wonder if there would be too much overexposure? Since the camera is already calibrated to lower iso (like it's set to 25 instead of 50 when using a 50D!+and it'll shoot 160iso when using 200T- so already overexposed). Now add the XL shutter thing...and I sure hope the image won't come out blown out. I know film loves overexposure, but I live in a harshly sunny place. I would have to use an ND filter for sure...
You could try some ND’s on it if you think it might be too bright for sure! I recently shot some 50D on a 401 which is very very similar to the 601 and the camera did a great job with it.
@@AnalogResurgence Hey :) Well, I also have a Canon 518SV, and when placing a 50D cartidge inside and aiming/metering outside- the f-stop needle is stuck to the extreme edge of the f/32 side. So I figured in that case- i'd have to take it back to a safe zone below that. That's why I got a x4 ND filter. Although I guess consumers in the 60's weren't so aware of exposure, and they still got usable footage :)
So, I guess this format is forgiving.
Your informations are gold 🥇. Thank you. I have 3 Nizo 6080 cameras and use kodak 50D 200T and want try 500T. I hope the camera is good enough for indoor shuts? What do you mean? I ask you as an expert. Greetings from 🇩🇪 Germany.
500T should be good to use with that camera! Using it indoors should not be a problem for you!
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Thank you for telling me that! I had no idea the my Minolta XL400 Super 8 Camera has this cool feature to allow more light! So it’s a more advanced feature huh?
A little bit ya! Just gives a little bit of extra light to maybe help out in dimmer situations!
I have one also however I don’t have the power cord .. could I use another adapter and also how could I record with it since I can’t relay on Kodak to process the footage anymore, can I rig it to my computer?
I'm not sure what you mean, most Super 8 cameras only need AA batteries to run them. Super 8 cameras take a film cartridge that will need to be chemically processed and then digitally scanned after shooting to view the footage. While Kodak no longer has dedicated labs for this they do make the film and there are many many labs out there that offer Super 8 processing and scanning services: www.kodak.com/en/motion/page/labs
@@AnalogResurgence thank you
@@AnalogResurgence wish there was an easier way like you put something up to the eye part and it records what the lens sees to digital somehow. lol.. oh well..
Every little bit helps when you buy one of these things for shooting in film since the higher end models are still quite costly, many being nearly today what they cost when they were brand new. Thank you.
And these expensive models like the Beaulieu series (especially the 2008 and 4008 series) require basically being maintained every year. So even if you get such a camera for a good price, it most likely will be in bad need of maintenance which can make the final price go well over 1000 bucks for all the service costs.... and then we are are getting into 16mm camera price-regions.
On Super 8 Video footage, what is that small square that shows up on the left hand side of the screen.
That's the sprocket hole of the film! It's the physical hole that is cut in the film that a mechanism uses to pull the film through the camera. There's one beside every frame of film.
@@AnalogResurgence thank you, I installed Super 16 App and the app developer is Dmitry Shatilov, this app is on the Google App Store, I will upload a short video in the next day or two and I would like you to see if it comes close to actual super 8 video.
A week or two ago I bought a regular 8mm camera without thinking I couldn’t buy film. Today I bought a GAF XL 128 and it works luckily. This really helped along with other videos
How'd the GAF turn out? I haven't see a single upload of footage shot on that brand
Regular 8mm is still available
Beaulieu--beautiful camera!
THANK YOU SIR THESE ARE SO HELPFUL
3:46 Well, if you use higher frame rate then you are defeating the purpose of the XL camera, you are reducing the light that goes to each frame.
Well the purpose of XL cameras is to let more light in when shooting. So using higher framerates on an XL camera still allows for more light because of the larger shutter angle in comparison to higher framerates with non-XL cameras.
@@AnalogResurgence I see it this way: XL gets more motion blur but also more light, higher frame rates get less motion blur but also less light, so an XL at higher frame rates is equivalent to a non XL at lower frame rates. At the end of the day if you are willing to accept a certain level of motion blur you can expose each frame for a certain time, no free meals here.
I Love Super 8.
Do you think that there is a chance the sound Super 8 will ever come back ?
Sadly I don’t see that happening. It’s been out of production for around 25 years and because Super 8 is such a smaller market than it was 30-50 years ago, it’s just not likely something that Kodak especially would invest the time and resources to bring back. Likely Super 8 will remain the way it is for the rest of its lifespan, a silent film stock.
Not a chance. The closest you will probably ever get to the old mag strip is the new setup Kodak has in the new camera (which is probably never coming). The camera's already got a crystal-synced motor and an SD card slot for sound. You just have to sync it up in editing. But no, the mag strip's gone for good.
Loved this video!!!!!!!
What is the length of 8mm reel
One Super 8 cartridge will run for about 2.5 minutes at 24fps or 3.5 at 18fps depending on your cameras options.
I can’t stand the constant background noise, so quit watching after a minute. Please leave that out in the future, it doesn’t make your videos any better. They’re good enough.