Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL2 Footprint - First Impression Review
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- Опубліковано 23 чер 2020
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In this video I review the Big Agnes Footprint, a matching ground sheet accessory for the backpacking ultralight Big Agnes Copper Spur HV UL2 Tent.
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great tip. I never thought about folding being a problem and it makes sense and it is MUCH easier for breakdown!
Glad it was helpful! Thanks for commenting!
Good man, good words. I was looking for information about tents and camping - which I got, I hope everyone watches all the way through, As a middle aged man from the UK, I got an insight into how someone in the USA is feeling as anxious about the Covid crisis and the equality of everyone in society, no matter who they are are what colour they are. Well done.
Thanks so much for this comment! Glad to have people like you watching!
i appreciate you, FinerBub! thanks for sharing your experience as well as your thoughts!
Thank you 🙏
FinerBub, those were some fine reflections about our current times. Well done! I benefited from that focus.
So... on a separate topic I must clarify the importance of setting up a dry interior shelter. I've been backpacking for awhile (30+years) and still am learning new things all the time.
The point of pitching the rainfly first to the footprint is not so the hiker him/her self stays dry, but far more importantly the inner mesh tent stays dry in the rain. In a hard rain the porous mesh lets in enough water to make the shelter into a shallow pool. Drying it out is not as easy as it sounds. Wet shelters are not fun and can be unsafe in cold weather! Meanwhile kudos to you for making the effort of the "interior" pitch. Reminded me of my few attempts.. with some practice it becomes much easier. (Don't know about "graceful" :) Thanks for your efforts and Stay strong. JD
Yeah I hear that. I'm sure I'd get better at setting it up from the inside with more practice. And don't get me wrong, I don't disagree with you about the importance of staying dry especially in cold weather. I guess I should have focused more of the video on my point about the cost, and why I was frustrated that a seemingly necessary piece of the tent is sold separately at such a high price. Lately I've been thinking a lot about how expensive it can be for people to pick up backpacking and other outdoor activities as a new hobby, combined with the sort of "be-careful-or-you-could-die" teaching approach coming from a lot of outdoor content creators. Not to say that those warnings shouldn't be taken seriously, the definitely should be, but then I think about an aspiring backpacker who has no prior knowledge or experience and how many people like that get deterred from even trying new outdoor activities because they are afraid that it wont be safe if they don't have or can't afford all of the best gear. And then I consider the fact that I've been using a $5 tarp with the tent for years (sometimes in heavy rain or even snow) before actually buying the matching footprint, which motivates me to want to share that experience with others and reassure them that it is possible, and doesn't take an expert, to camp comfortably in wet conditions without having to feel pressure to spend an extra $70 on an accessory that the company should really include with the purchase of a tent. Anyway, sorry for rambling on. I definitely appreciate the input, and I'm sure that by the time I've been backpacking for 30+ years I'll have had one or two more experiences that shape my point of view. Anyway, thanks again for commenting! I really appreciate the input and the kind words!
This is what I was going to say. I interpreted this feature as not something to keep me dry during setup (you're already in the rain and wet while unpacking the tent), but instead to allow me to keep the tent body and mesh dry. I would've still assumed I'd be connecting the body to the footprint from outside.
Thanks for commenting 🙏 glad other ppl are sharing their perspectives
Thank you for your video. Just had my first set up with the tent and wanted to check if i did everything right and what i could do better.
Watching your video and reading your comments - you are such a nice and humble guy, nearly cried (i dont know why it moves me to tears :D). its so good to experience someone on the internet beeing such a good guy.
Wish you all the best!
Thank you so much! Glad you enjoyed the video and found it helpful. Really appreciate kind words as well. Have fun out there 🤙
Great video man! Keep it up very informative
Thanks. Much appreciated!
Love the shower curtain idea.
So smart, right?!
Great review! This was super helpful. Just ordered a Big Agnes Tiger Wall UL2 Bikepack tent and this helped me decide on not ordering the footprint. Really appreciate the help.
For sure! Glad you found it helpful
Thanks for the great video! I know you didn't really like it, but you still sold it to me! :) I liked how fast you can setup the groundsheet and rain cover, just to get a cover to relax. I'm not a huge fan of setting up tarps and they always need something to tie to.
Lol that's awesome! And I hear you, it's definitely convenient to have. Thanks for the kind words!
Have you ever asked Jimmy Kimmel to go overnight hiking with you? I'd like to see that!
I like your videos. Keep it up.
Haha I have not. I’ll be sure to ask if I ever meet him though. Thanks for the kind words. Glad you like the videos 🙏
Good review. Yeah I set my tent up the regular way even if it's raining. When I'm all done I just use my pack towel to wipe up any moisture that made it's way in. No problemo.
Yes! Thank you! Good to know I’m not alone lol
Same, I have tried both ways and the amount of moisture in the tent afterward is about the same. Most of it is from my own clothes and rain gear.
great vid! speaking your mind is what it is all about. when you said " the opposite of free" concerning how people of color live, and that sums it all up right there. keep the vids goin
Thanks for the kind words. Glad you enjoyed the video 🤙
One suggestion that I might have for you in setting up the rain fly first and then the tent inside would be that you open up the doors of the tent once you get it laid out and step inside so you're basically just rotating around the inside of the tent for most of the clipping. That way you're not getting tangled up. You'll be stepping on the floor inside the tent, rather than trying to avoid it and work around it. As with everything it takes practice but it beats tripping over yourself.
Good point! Thanks for the tip!
proud of you, bud.
Thanks man. I hope all’s well
I think it might be a decent buy if you ever thought that you might want to save the weight and or space and not pack the actual tent body itself and just pitch the groundsheet, poles and rainfly. Makes a good system for modularity. Great vid keep it up.
Fair point! Thanks for commenting and for the kind words!
I am the cheapest person out ther eand I tried to find a piece of scrap Tyvek, but couldn't.
There are Amazon & eBay makers that make ground cloths out of Tyvek, but they end up costing you half of the Big Agnes ground cloth. Besides being able to set them up in the rain, the #1 reason for me was that they keep water out of your tent's immediate area by being custom fit. Users said that it keeps your tent dry and that it was easy to clean & pack up afterwards and that's what mattered to me the most.
Get a generic too small ground cloth and you got water under the tent. Too big and it acts like a water collection system and there's a pond right outside your door.
I hated having to buy BA OEM ground cloth, but I thought I might as well since I already paid 4 bills for the tent itself. I held my nose and paid the $80 for it. Sometimes, you just gotta do it. Nobody buys a Corvette and has their tires replaced at Walmart.
Good points all around. Thanks for sharing your experience 👍
I don't think you've ever had to set your tent up in freezing rain, cause being able to do that is worth it in that situation.
I haven’t but I still think you’d survive without it
The reality, the footprint works well and fits perfect as intended. If you factor in time spent making something equivalent the savings aren’t that great IMO
I think what you discussed is something many of us are feeling, and it's hard to articulate it because, as you said, it seems like it should be the obvious thing to do. I know for myself personally, I've really reflected on my own experiences and upbringing and looking back through the years with a more critical lens, you really start to notice the deeply ingrained institutionalized racism in our culture. There are so many 'jokes' and stereotypes that our culture is ok with and even those of us who would never consider ourselves to be racist, have used more than once in our lives. This movement isn't just about achieving parity and equality for all people, it's about how all of us need to work on bettering our communities and society as a whole. How we need to work hard to stamp out that deeply ingrained culture that makes so many racist things 'okay'. We all need to get involved in our political systems from the local town level all the way up the ladder and DEMAND better, and more importantly, hold our elected leaders accountable for their action (or inaction.) And once we begin to rebuild things, we all need to stay vigilant against these hateful things for future generations, never let our collective guards down again.
I wholeheartedly agree. Well said!
Systemic racism has gone down over the last few decades while systemic incarceration has gone up. The people most affected are in these communities plagued w/ prejudice disadvantages not long ago. Police force, & citizens rights have slightly different meaning in these areas. The private 'ALEC' group has been defining our criminal justice laws for many decades, comprised of Corporatist legislators & lobbyists. Many people make money on incarceration & the probation, fees & requirements that follow, at tax payer expense while keeping those individuals in perpetual poverty hole.
Aggressively arresting peaceful protesters, while ignoring looters is another story
I just got a big Agnes footprint for my manzaneres hv sl 1 tent for $30 haha. I don’t know what the dimensions are but it might be worth looking at older footprints by discontinued tents with the same footprint dimensions. I looked at similar footprint sized tents currently being manufactured by big Agnes and they are $70. I agree they should include it but hey...life time warranty on not only their tents but also the footprint...kinda worth it. My entire tent setup with a footprint only weighs 3.3 lbs. and it cost me $270 with a lifetime warranty. Can’t beat that!
Good idea! Thanks for commenting!
I bought the Manzanares footprint for my copper spur ul2 for $40! Same size, better price. Fast fly set up takes practice, but it does keep your tent dry. Trying to make a polycro footprint with grommets, but it's hard to get the dimensions cut correctly because the footprint is not exactly rectangular.
Nice! Thank you. I'll have to check that out. And yeah, making your own seems like it could quickly turn into a frustrating process. At some point I need to buy and learn how to use a sewing machine...the reasons keep piling up
If you can see the ground your camping on through the floor of your tent you absolutely need a footprint of some sort so it should be included. Ultralight is great, but I wish companies would stop catering to the weight weenies and just put a practical floor on their tent. I’m researching this tent and almost passed up your vid because of the length. I’m glad I watched the whole thing and I am subscribing. Not because of the tent stuff...
Haha I totally know what you mean. Welcome to the channel man! Thanks for commenting! Really appreciate the kind words
Well does buying the ground sheet make any warranty issues easier to deal with from big agnes?......
I'll admit 70 bucks is tough to swallow...
And I'd also say to be fair with more practice you could probably pitch it easier in the rain .
Good vid man!
Hey thanks! I don’t think it would affect the warranty but I haven’t tested that theory
They use sustainable materials as well. Which they're always refining and making MORE sustainable. Thats a big part of the cost.
Oh, that's also part of why I choose big agnes products. They could probably shed 100 to 150 bucks off the price of their products by just sourcing materials unethically. 🤷♂️
Environmentally friendlier stuff is expensive at the moment.
All good points. Thanks for the input
Question… What brand are your shorts and shirt in this video? I like the fit and I’d like to try them out myself…
The shirt is Lulu Lemon. Not sure exactly what brand the shorts are. My wife bought them for me. I’ll have to get back to you in a bud once I find them
The shorts are from a brand called Rhone
Hi. Thanks for posting. Just a suggestion about keeping on topic. While I agree and sympathise with all you’re saying, perhaps put those thoughts into another video and tag it accordingly for those wishing to engage with you on that type of material. You may also want to ‘wear your heart on your sleeve’ a little less. Your clear disgust with the product and pricing really came through after the frustrating experience of producing the video inside a clearly hot tent. Some folk bought this so it might pay to have a little more empathy for your audience rather than inferring anyone buying this is an idiot. Anyway, all the best and stay safe.
That’s fair. Maybe next time… thanks for sharing your thoughts
i got 10% burns to ly left leg and hand. my rehab is cancelled until this goes away. ill be back to work with no help to recover. Hamilton, ON
Damn. Sounds really rough. Hang in there ✌️❤️
Polycro ground sheet. $5 and few oz.
Word. Thanks for the recommendation!
This is what I do, unless I can find a deal on a tent with footprint included.
@@adaumus Nice. I've gotta try that
Hmmm... all the Big Agnes product pages for ground sheets show the seam in paper label on the up side. At 9:42 you have the seams and label on the underside. Which way is correct?
Not sure tbh. I haven’t had an issue doing it either way
I disagree with your position that setting up inside isn't worth it. Sure, if its a drizzle I would just set it up the regular way. The problem is some of the rain is going to get in to the inside of the tent. If its just a drizzle, then its not that big of a deal. But if its a hard driving rain, your tent could be flooded before your done setting it up. Water doesn't evaporate meaningfully in a hard driving rain. It will stay wet for the rest of your trip. If you're the type of person that only camps during the summer, you're probably not going to deal with that issue. As a mountaineer, and someone who climbs year round, Its entirely possible I could set out on day 1 in clear skies, and end up in a heavy storm on day 2 or 3.
With that said, I'm not paying 60$ for a tarp (I have the 1 person). Im looking at getting some tyvek for free from a construction site, and adding straps with grommets to the corners. Functionally the same thing, but costs $10.
Fair enough. I guess I haven’t used it as much as you have. Definitely haven’t been flooded yet. Thanks for taking the time to leave such a detailed and informative comment!
Also cool channel name!
@@FinerBub Actually, I just bought the tent and have yet to use it. I was speaking more generally with other tents in the past. But I doubt this tent will be much different in that particular regard. I'm looking forward to using this tent though.
Yeah. Makes sense
the temperature inside that tent got you feelin' HOT about racial injustices!
Should’ve opened the vent
Another vote for tyvek
Thanks for commenting!
This does not justify the practice of not including the groundsheet, but I think the reason is not what you think it is. It is an absurd how much it costs, but I think the real reason it is sold separately with these ultralight tents is because of weight. They want to shave the weight off because the UL tents are all about saving ounces.
Possibly, yeah. I guess I’ve never tried using the tent without some kind of tarp underneath. Maybe I’ll try that the next time I go camping. Thanks for the input!
Trail weight doesn't have to include the ground sheet, but the product should, lol. My Eureka tent advertised fast fly setup for sunny beach picnic & whatnot, but did not include the groundsheet. I love the versatility, but never knew how to setup until I saw the big Agnes video on this channel.... Great stuff!
Yeah it’s just a money grab opportunity for the companies. Glad you found the video helpful!
Cliff notes please. Can't do a 50min tarp review.
Cliff notes: tarps should be cheap, not $70
For footprint ,what material ?
Rip stop nylon with polyurethane coating
@@FinerBub it’s worst money ?
@@FinerBub how many denier ?
Not sure exactly, it’s pretty thin and lightweight. It says “mixed-denier” on the Big Agnes website
I’d say it’s worth it if you can afford the extra $70 but if not you’ll be fine with $5 blue tarp
That Black Lives Matter speech was amazingly unexpected. I'm a first time viewer of your channel. Lots of Respect.
Thanks again for commenting! Much appreciated!
Nothing less from a Vermont patriot. My congressional & govt leaders here in Iowa suck!
At least you’re there though. Every vote counts
49min video of a groundsheet?
Sometimes I ramble...
Well.... yeah it's Big Agnes. They should be called Big Margins.
Haha
@@FinerBub Cost of manufacturing.... less than $10
I got mine for $1 at a thrift store
Nice!
Wow! Thanks. Came here looking for guidance on whether to drop $60 on the BA footprint (and got that). Didn't expect part 2 on systemic racism - and really can't say how much I was moved. I joined a caucus called White Awake (whiteawake.org/) after George Floyd's murder and am, personally, committed to being a true ally for Black Lives Matter. Thank you for speaking up!!! We all need to do that.
Wow thanks for leaving such a thoughtful comment! Glad you found the video helpful. And thanks for sharing your experience and resources!
Headline of a tent footprint review. Actually a political video.
☝️Guilty
Big Agnes doesn't share the exact dimensions of this footprint... can you? I have a textiles workshop, I can easily replicate this footprint for less than $3. By the way, I have 2016 and 2021 versions of HV UL 2, 2016 version is somehow better in my opinion (easier to setup, better craftmanship, better materials, etc.).
It’s the same as the base of the tent. Mines in storage. Just moved house
Stick to Hilleberg Black Label Tents and you will never look for any other tents!
ThNks for the recommendation
I feel bad for anybody that doesn’t have enough gray matter side skull to just go to Home Depot and buy a piece of plastic instead of dropping 7080 bucks on something this stupid
It’s how they get ya. 🤷♂️ It does make it easier though. I suppose you could fashion an entire shelter out of plastic from Home Depot but yeah tents are nice… thanks for commenting 👍
Yeah, keep politics out of gear reviews.
In this case I was compelled 🤷♂️
Very nice tent but please cut the virtue signaling woke shit
Common decency and kindness towards others has nothing to do with being “woke”
This guy clearly just didn't want to edit this footage and posted 50 minutes that should've been 2 minutes. Poor form my friend.
Clearly
49 minutes of dullness, just glad I'm not stuck in a tent with this bore!
thanks for the feedback bud
why is there so much stuff that has nothing to do with the tent? The title says its a tent review, what does black lives matter have to do with it? At least cut the video to segments for those who came for the review that the title promised. Also the last 10 minutes of just starting at the camera without saying anything really added value to the review, thanks.
Anytime ✌️
Don' care about your political views. Your fired!
👍
I bait and switch): I came to learn about rents, not your politics.
Got ya 😁
Just stick to test of equipment. I unsubscribed because I watched to see test and not preached to
🤷♂️
Pretty much watch until 19:50, after this is an uneducated CNN style rant...
Would you mind describing your feelings in a bit more detail? I’m curious to know which of my statements you think could have benefited from a better education
@@FinerBub you advocate for BLM, a political wing of the Democrat party that have caused billions in damages and destroyed black owned businesses. I understand the video is quite old and you may have had time to reflect on these opinions.
I remember the woke brigade jumping on the 'band wagon' to virtue signal with liberal ideologies. I'm sure you got yourself a black square too...
In the mean time you now have an inept government, spiralling murders of black people and an invasion on your southern border... Not to mention the blood of afghans on your hands..
I guess in short, if you title a video to review a camping product and then give a political statement it of sort of opens you up to critic 🤔
So you don't understand the virtue in speaking out against prejudicial violence? And you just tie ideas together as if the only reason to advocate for something is to prove that you're on a team that butters their bread one one side of the toast as opposed to the other? You've been reading too many conspiracy theories. And no, I've never posted a black square because that doesn't do anything. If I had, you may never have heard an opinion other than your own.
Also, you refer to my government and my southern border as though they are not your's as well. Tell me, as a foreigner perceiving American politics as this black and white system where people can't advocate for individual issues, only one side of a coin or the other, I'm curious to know what political party you would support and why you would think that they are all virtuous and not all hypocrites and liars as well?
Also since it appears that I did have your attention for twenty minutes or so before I upset you, what did you think about my thoughts on the Big Agnes Footprint? Do you think they align with my political views? And since we're just lumping topics together, I'm curious what you think about Elon Musk. He manages to upset a lot of so-called woke liberals as well as non-progressive conservatives. Which party do you land in? Given that there are clearly only two options...
I'd throw your initial insult right back at you for essentially blaming me for the same thing that you did in your second comment but I don't know if it would make it through your own lack of education.
I am sorry that I tricked you but I think it was for a good cause. I bet if we met in real life we'd have a lot more in common than you think and we might be able to have a more civil discussion about these kinds of things. Best of luck in all of your future interactions.