NEW Gameplay Mechanic Could be a MAKE OR BREAK for Ghost Recon PROJECT OVER™
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- Опубліковано 1 жов 2024
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Give us an option of choosing between 1st and 3rd person
yep. as i say, why not both!
I agree. Just has to be done right regardless. The last 2 iterations were not done right. Single player co op is always great, can’t really miss on those two. They just don’t last long in any genre or game of this matter.
How do you improve or make PvP better. They obviously think if rumors are true 1st person will. Imo, it doesn’t matter if the gameplay loop isn’t there. They should learn from PUBG. Simple yet great whether in FPP or TPP. No drones, marking etc. Simple tactics and great maps. Is all GR PvP needs.
@@jriveaglenah wildlands was golden
First person is the Walmart of shooters
💯 Yes Sir.
If it isn't broken don't fix it.
It's ubisoft, so if it's not broken, they'll find a way.
It's ghost recon... Its been broken since breakpoint released
It’s pretty broken atm
A cosmetic store would be useless 😅 i dont see my char 90% of time? Then we dont need any cosmetics at all 😅 that would make the store useless
So, Yea they have to fix it, because Ghost recon has been broken with the only good game being the original.
I agree, I also want it to be Third Person.
I agree it should be third person but wouldn’t mind if you could switch between 1st and third, but I find 1st person completely defeats the purpose of being able to customise your character 😅
I want both perspectives. I think being able to go first person when clearing buildings would be perfect. TBH one of my favorite features of wildlands and breakpoint is character customization and if they are planning on doing that then there has to be third person
I've laid out the overlooked reality of the original GR and RB6 games and how they provided a true tactical simulation that needed today's technology to make it next level. I've played all the GR games and love them all, but there is a MASSIVE difference between the original GR and the causal GR (Breakpoint, Wildlands, Future Soldier, etc.). The current versions are perfectly suited for consoles and works on PC. However, a tactical sim is perfectly suited for PC and that is what we need for the next GR game. They should make 2 versions of the next GR game, one for PC that is more of a tactical simulation based around complex missions and the other for consoles (and PC release as well) which is a bit more of a arcade style with 3rd person and is open world.
It is beyond the 1st or 3rd person perspective and that is what is being ignored in this discussion. The original GR was a far deeper experience which is sorely missed in today's tactical games. They can either make 2 versions of the game for PC and console, or make one game that offers OTS (Over the shoulder) view as a compromise.
I was one of the people that said it's going back to it's roots. I did not say it's great,.or it's bad - that's all I said. I was referring to GRAW and GRAW2 specifically. I would prefer having a choice between 1st and 3rd person.
Preciate all you do bro. I don’t know why they would deliberately alienate the fans that have supported this game for so many years. Making the game switch between 3rd and 1st is clearly the route to take giving the best of both worlds. I’d hate to not be able to buy it if it’s only 1st but I’m more than prepared to.
Spot on brother! This video is perfect, I hope the devs watch this and understand what the us, the fans, want. You are totally right about the squad management in Ghost Recon 1, like if we want anything from that game, it's that, and being able to switch to different squad mates, all those mechanics were clutch. Going back to a reticle sight?! Lol naw, pass, but everything else about Ghost Recon 1 is what made me fall in love with the franchise back in 2001.
If they can take the squad management and player change ability from 1, the life from Wildlands (human and animal), customizations from Wildlands, game mechanics like conquest in breakpoint, upgrade the graphics, allow us to do both 1st and 3rd person, give us 6 squad mates so we can do 2 groups of 3 or 3 groups of 2 like we could in Ghost Recon 1.
I was really hoping we would be able to do that in Wildlands, and was really disappointed when we only had 3 squad mates, and even more pissed when we had zero in breakpoint lol. 6 man teams were truly the best, split off into groups of 2, and completely surround an enemy, attacking a base from all sides. We could move our squad mates in Wildlands and Breakpoint, but it was just never enough. I wanted them to be able to hold different positions, not just tag along by themselves, while I'm all by myself. My opinion they GOTTA bring back the 6 man squad to enhance the immersion, and expand on the "tackle the mission how you want" that they touted in Wildlands.
They will have a perfect game if the bring back some of those core elements, while holding onto the great things they've done. Breakpoint they got rid of the life. It was a locked down island with a bunch of lame scientists. Bolivia felt REAL, they have to bring that back. I loved the story of Breakpoint, just wish they had executed it a little better. I even liked the crafting a little bit, gear score was obviously garbage, but it was a REALLY good game once they fixed all the issues.
I know this rant was a little all over the place lol I am so passionate about this franchise, I really just want Over to be perfect. I know I shouldn't get my hopes up too much though.
Honestly for some reason, I'm not surprised....for me, this just tells me of the EXTREME LAZINESS, and LACK OF INNOVATION and IDEA'S from UBISOFT. Their taking the EASY WAY OUT, because they want to mirror other games...just SAD at this point
The only thing I have to say to that is the community has been screaming from the rooftops for a bunch of changes to the franchise, but switching to the first person perspective was not one of them. I truly just don't understand the logic
Agreed well they have the correct code name in project OVER because it will be if they ignore what we want there's already games on the market that's like that. Why are you trying to follow trends when you can choose to be creative and own the market in the third person category smh
Dude you nailed it! I say it’s a step backwards to the ghost recon franchise to be a FPS they are present roots in the game now from all previous games I personally wouldn’t get the game if is FP only
Making it a choice will solve all this. Why alienate half the players?
I would say far more than half.
I need the ability to put any type of attachment on any gun. To decide where I put my laser/flashlight or where my forefrip sits on my weapon and any scope. I should be able to decide how far back I want the scope/ red dot on the guns as well. No more silly airsoft gear in their games (cough cough Breakpoint cough cough) they have the money to get real equipment and put that in their games for customization. Also if they make you keep the tac belt on the character at least let us customize the gear on that as well make everything have the ability to be customized. Different holsters and pouches too would be cool.
since wildlands
ghost recon has the best third person shooting mechanism till this day. Guns feels way better than any other game out there.
I think it being FPS is gonna kill it tbh.
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FPS will kill it. Look at the track record. The players who waiting for Xdefiant due to its delays already concerned about that FPS. GR Frontlines another FPS was canceled. Hyperscape another FPS from Ubisoft was dead on arrival. This game will mostly die if it's just FPS. It will succeed if it does have TPP and FPP. Starfield, Pubg, GTA, etc... all succeeded providing both. Ubisoft better play they cards right
3rd person sucks ass
@@xxfratosxx8257yall are just mad you're losing 3rd person. Keep crying about it.
agree
I prefer both first and third person perspective but let's be real they will probably end up adding third person to it anyways so I'm really not all that worried. if I'm wrong then I'm wrong.
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Yup, they will be adding this since the 3rd person and 1st person drama started. See if players find that 3rd person is not addded, its not gonna sell well, even if the game is good. At this point now, you are hurting the sentiments of fans more than youre choice.
@@workerbott Cant say, but its definitely Ubisoft's decision rather than Ubi devs decision. Nobody wanted the FPS exclusive, all wanted a FPS/TPS switch option. So yeah, its easy to figure
@@workerbottI am pretty sure overall it gives more control to them since the camera cannot go as crazy. I am not sure it is cheaper but it is probably easier in some ways and allows to up the technical quality.
I wish this future Ghost Recon game won't screw up.
You and everybody else brotha 🙏🏼
I don’t want Ubi to make it first person only because their FPS games suck and I don’t believe they don’t have the ability to have high attention to detail like COD and Battlefield.
My guy, you’re not really doing Far Cry like that are you?
@@REALSTEELE5last good far cry was 3 my guy 💀
@@kaiserhademar5126 you need help removing those rose tinted glasses? They sound glued on
I mean there is a bit of hypocrisy here in my opinion. Cause your retort to those saying first-person is a return is that "first-person wasn't the defining characteristic of the original Ghost Recon." But that's true with third-person in the later Ghost Recons. That wasn't defining characteristic, or what made it good, either. I understand if you'd prefer 3rd person, but I really don't think going to first-person should be a dealbreaker, when as you say, it's not whether you are in 1st or 3rd person that makes Ghost Recon good, but the tactical style and environments. If they make it first-person, but make a great Ghost Recon game in every other aspect, there is no reason to complain at all.
I don’t consider a ghost recon logo crosshair on my screen a first person game as I am technically not “looking through the eyes of the character.”
Whose eyes are you looking through to see down the scope of your weapon?!
@@Go_CoupMy own.
Dude, having the permadeath and soul swapping would actually be awesome with bringing back the squad commands. Thats the damn roots. And im not gonna lie, but they can do the same thing they did with watch dogs legion, building a roster and what not. Bringing back soul swapping and squad commands i think should deffentally be the next topic. Because it is a feature that hasn't been in ghost recon in quite a while.
If they plan on doing that my money will not be going in the pockets
That would make the game actually stand out, far more than having third-person will.
I’m old so I’ve been aware of all the iterations of the franchise. However I was only drawn to actually play future soldier, grw, and grbp. I have no interest in fps, I like seeing the character I’m playing. I don’t give a flip about the roots of the game. If they take 3rd person off the table I just won’t play it.
It’ll fail. Again they’re not listening to fans.
I'm sorry but first person ghost recon was boring af but all the 3rd person ones were fun for me
I think the game could still be good in first person only, it could even be great, but it would definitely feel like it's missing something and wouldn't appeal to the large number of fans that mostly played since future soldier (most of the fanbase I think).
Button-toggleable first/third where you could play in either whenever you want would be my ideal situation, like in DayZ or Fallout, rather than only being in first person during ADS
Bet you're not an OG player
@@DragonNectar I've been playing Tom Clancy games for roughly twenty years, I'm not new to this franchise in the slightest
No no no if they want the game to sell they best be adding the option for third an first person if they don’t this game will not sale at all
They need to look at Helldivers 2
Naah let's not go that route please, Helldivers is like Warframe or Avengers. The only thing similar between Ghost Recon and Helldivers is the animation, which is exactly the same as Breakpoint, it's almost like they took the same files. But overall it's not even a remotely close game, besides being a 3rd person shooter.
They need to look at older Ghost Recon games first, especially Future Soldier and Wildlands. But also Splinter Cell (Chaos Theory and Blacklist), Metal Gear Solid (Snake Eater and Phantom Pain), Escape From Tarkov, Arma 3.. Actually if we could have Wildlands with MGSV:PP quality, that would be great.
Also they need to look at Red Dead Redemption 2, Death Stranding, God Of War, Control, Days Gone, Horizon Zero Dawn etc. to see what a proper AAA game looks like, because it seems like they forgot they're supposed to be professional devs who make games worth 60€, and not indie devs who release Alpha/Beta/Early Access crap. Breakpoint truly feels like an indie game made on low budget, and that's what's killing the franchise. Even after all those updates it still looks like an indie early access game.
Everything you said is right however they DO need to look in helldivers 2, not for the sci fi aspect, but for the character animation and the 3rd person aspect. so he is right they need to look into it@@twentytwo138
You must’ve worked for Ubisoft before 🤦🏽those are 2 completely different styles of games 😂
The perspective is literally the only thing these games have in common lol.
@@twentytwo138 yeah, but breakpoint was dull and uninspiring. Helldivers is fun
ah man ghost recon phantoms 😭😭😭i miss that game so much
I'm really excited for FPS style :) but they need to have setting to customize camera to 3rd person for the certain player bases
Great breakdown. GR is a primarily TPS franchise at this point. To say going back to FPS is good because it's going back to roots is just nonsense. Not saying the new GR will necessarily be bad if it turns out to be FPS, just debunking the so call "roots" of the franchise.
Also spot on about why 1st person mods of GRW and GRBP are good. Those two games being made in 3rd makes 1st person mods look so special.
Personally I don't hate FPS, it's just that because most everything else is FPS, it really sucks to lose a TPS alternative in the military shooter genre. The canceled Frontline and the FPS mod prove it's not that hard to make a 1st person option in a 3rd person game, while the opposite isn't true.
Just play Wildlands and stfu. Happy for FP coming back. 3rd person sucks ass.
I think the term "go back to it's roots" for most means that first game only. Yes you had a reticule but it's still first person. I'm 46 so younger generations may have their first experience in the 3rd person gr games so I understand the notion it could be deemed nonsense but not to us older gamers!. I've played every gr game over the years and personally think it'll be 3rd and 1st person in this new game.
@@cjgsicknote I'm also an OG. Ghost Recon was a fps.
@DragonNectar 100%. Always felt more arcadey to me when it switched to 3rd person and gadgets. It's felt away from it's roots since then for me. Had a decent time with the 1st person mods for wildlands and BP but it still wasn't ever proper gr for me. Switched to Arma!!
The biggest miss of the franchise is not having br mode in wildland that map was fire
Ghost Recon 1 & 2 and GRAW were all first person. Let them cook. If they’re to compete in the tactical shooter space with the likes of Tarkov or Ready or Not or Gray Zone Warfare. All tactical squad based first person shooters. I think all of the more dedicated hardcore fans of Ghost Recon want a more tactical milsim like experience. Why Ghost Mode, Extreme Difficulty, Limited HUD and Unguided and No Gear Modes have become the more desirable ways to play Wildlands and Breakpoint.
Especially since console players don't have a hardcore combat sim. This is actually a big opportunity to bring something fresh to the console market
Very well GhostLead. Literally exactly wat ive been sayin. But ya know wouldn't be surprised if Ubisoft fuked it up an made it first with a later down da line 3rd person mode added after becuz Ubisoft haz bad habit of fukin up games. Only thing ya forgot ta say waz how they tried ta release a first person battle royale an the fans went batshit on it cuz aint *NOBODY* asked fer it. Hence why game waz shut down. All in all as a veteran of this series since ive been around wen it first dropped, I would like it ta remain 3rd person. Got enough of these CoD an BattleField in 1st so let us keep our *3RD PERSON Tactical Shooter*
Catch ya in next one GhostLead✌️😎
I never played it in first person. I was a die hard SOCOM fan. I played GR as a TPS. I only played GR because it was in 3rd person.
I know I stated I don’t like the change in a previous video, however. If single player and co-op is in 3rd person I’ll be extremely happy and if PvP is in 1st person I’ll try it out. Not happy with it but I’ll try.
Does this mean there will not be drones marking, hold my hand kills in PvP because for what it seems, they added all the marking and spotting by drones because it was in 3rd person(I could be wrong just what I feel) BUT I rather it be 3rd person with out all the hold my hand kills and drone marking which is not needed features(now I think they will eliminate all that stuff if it’s in 1st person).
As with the option of choosing either or, maybe:
Cover system has to go imo. I really dislike restricting animations gameplay in PvP. Add a lean, left and right hand grenade toss.
PvP is going to keep the game alive. Restricted animations, marking and spotting, drones killed GR and its replay ability, imo.
I want a gritty, almost brutal, hard core PvP GR! Out the gate, no messing with settings to have a hard core match. Let those that can’t handle PvP play coop or single player. I want a competitive GR. Could not have that with last 2 iterations.
Same beautiful game, amazing customization, just hard core elements in PvP. Be free in SP and CoOp, make players work in PvP!
Honestly, I can see what you're saying in terms of losing the visual effect of seeing your character customization if the game goes to first person. But I do feel that they can really do something cool with immersion in first person. I would love if they continued the third person perspective because of the customization but I'm not mad at it being first person IF they make a good Ghost Recon game. Realistic, tactical squad based gameplay is the number one priority for me personally. If they can nail that and the game is in first person, I won't be mad at it at all. regardless of our differences of opinions, I love your channel and your videos man. Means a lot to see people still care about these games we all grew up with. Also loved the tactical roundtable thank you for putting that on Spotify bro 🙌🏼 you and Gmoney have been my favorite people to watch and listen in regards to the ghost recon/Splinter Cell franchise. 🙌🏼
I’ve never played a game that has both 1st and 3rd options available that didn’t treat one of them as an after thought.
I do agree that having both (properly implemented) would be great. And I’m sure at some point in the future of video games, a company will finally do it correctly. But if you ask me, it won’t be Ubisoft, and it won’t be the next Ghost Recon.
I also agree with you that I would love the return of a military style game. I want a team based game. A game that I can properly issue commands to AI teammate and for them to act compatently. I want to be able to stack up and clear rooms, to issue and perform simple flanking maneuvers with the ease of a button press or context menu. I want to feel as though both I, and my team, are elite operators. I never felt that way in Wildlands. (Never even bothered playing Breakpoint)
As someone who has been in the military for 17 years, it annoys me that I can’t pull off these simple tasks with my Ghosts.
Additionally, I’d like a campaign where there is a large scale conflict going on. I want to be doing special forces missions amongst the fighting. I want to see bombs going off in the background from dropped aerial payloads. I want to see fighting in the streets by normal GI’s. I want to avoid or help these situations as I see fit best to fulfill my mission.
What I don’t want is to feel more like a thug with three friends wandering around huge area of land and killing other thugs. I don’t want to have any futuristic nonsense like turning invisible or have robots all over the place. Ya know what? I would actually love a game set in the Cold War. I think as per the lord the Ghosts were formed in 2008? I may be wrong with that…
Hit the nail on the head with this one brother. Sadly we're the minority here
Im Telling you would ghost recon played always FPS it would not be better than a Far Cry Clone facts Bc Ghost Recon Was Unique in third Person everybody who says different doesn't get what made ghost recon special if you want Fps Go far Cry oder Escape from Tarkov didn't we suffer enough as a Community we had almost a Ghost Recon BR. UBI Play Every Old Ghost Recon from Ghost recon Advanced warfighter to Breakpoint And understand Again why it was so good its Called Reverse Engineering Your Welcome I Safe You Some Money Or Get Some People together content Creator and Asked Them but content creators Like ASQD who support since Beginning and the end
If they go back to first person I will NOT waste money in it. I love Ghost Recon as a 3rd person game. Wildlands was the shit, Breakpoint was OK but Ghost Recon Future Soldier was where it at. Me and my buddies had more fun playing Wildlands but yeah I won't play or buy if it's 1st person
They're going to completely destroy this game and I'm not going to hold my breath I'm just going to stick with breakpoint and wildlands.
The creators obviously don't care about the community otherwise they would have made this third / 1st person like we ask for...
The game series needs to be a 3rd person shooter. The toggleable FPS mechanic when ADSing from Breakpoint was cool and didn't hurt the game.
Ubisoft NEEDS to stop chasing trends and stick to what makes the Ghost Recon unique from the other games in the shooter market, in which it is the only "mainstream" 3rd person shooter on the market. Just combine the best aspects of Wildlands and Breakpoint, with no BS corporate decisions, and the game will sell.
Ubisoft has been chasing trends since ghost recon 2.
They just need to give us possibility of modding game like GTA and everyone will be happy and they will make shit tone of money :)
The 3rd person animation work in Breakpoint is some of the best in any open world shooter to this day, so it’s weird to me that people are immediately calling for first person as if it’s the missing ingredient, when its FAR from it.
Yes, first-person did not make GR01 good. Similarly, third-person doesn't make GRW good or bad.
GR2 is not "exclusively third-person;" it has the option for first-person (not only the ADS that every GR has.) It also only offered first-person as the split-screen perspective. The Xbox versions of the GRAW games also offered the option of first-person. I don't know if you're lying to strengthen your argument or if you're simply making a mistake.
Cover systems are horrible. I hope it's removed. I want control. I don't want the game to force me to snap to objects, especially not when it puts my back against the wall as if that's tactical.
You're wrong about the animations. Look at Ground Branch. Animations are as good as the team decides they should be. Nothing about third-person allows for better animations; it encourages it because you're more likely to be watching them. Nothing is stopping Ubisoft from having better animations than what's in GRB and making it first-person-only.
I think you're confused as to what "core" and "roots" mean. "Roots" absolutely does mean the foundation, A.K.A. the first game. "Core" is the inner-most thing; it's not the part that formed recently, A.K.A. after 4 main games.
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Grfs was by far the best and definitely should be learnt from. Wildlands was an awesome game but doesn’t feel like a ghost recon. Wildlands should have been a different brand not ghosts
If it released third person I give up on having fun with games I’ll stop in ranting but dude when you ruin great games it pisses me off all that money and fans towards these games you give it all up to please others who don’t even play the damn game is wild to me
Thank you for reminding people the original ghost was not really first person and when they switched to 3rd person the game was way better and the immersion was still good and was fun to play
"Look good feel good play good"
Keep it offline that's all I want to see I wanted to play breakpoint offline so bad but you have to always be online and I don't have internet I just want to see this game to be offline will it I don't know
I can't imagine them giving up the money they would make for selling cosmetics since there would be no call for it in first person.
Gonna be honest, if I want a FPS tactical shooter, I’m going to get the upcoming Gray Zone and/or Ground Branch. If it’s third person, then Ghost Recon will have my business. That’s the bottom line.
What about the console players who don't have those options?
If ghost recon can fill that niche and the only of its kind for the console market that sounds like smart business strategy to me
Like you said go to socom and Wildlands type of missions but with ready or not graphics in Tps,, because without seeing your character what's the point of customization..😮
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Honestly I don't mind First Person Shooters but Ubisoft is again chasing a fad because they see how well games like call of duty and Battlefield etc. are doing. The reason why those games are so popular is because they have always been FPS, if Ghost Recon Over doesn't have an option to play in Third Person and being able to switch between Third and First person then it's a deal breaker for me, the reason ghost recon is popular is because it's built on being a third person shooter, it's what makes it original. If ubisoft is trying to make this game like call of duty or Battlefield trust me it's going to be another flop because they are chasing fads again like with breakpoint being a looter shooter and Live service, they also had to cancel Frontline because we don't want a GR battle Royale, we already have fortnite filling that role. Lastly, Ubisoft needs to stick to what makes it's games unique and original, not trying to copy other games and trying to chase fads.
Why cod or battlefield
Why not compare it to games like ready or not or escape from tarkov? Those "trends" are non existent in the console market and the game is described as "milisim in nature"
I hope good characters customize
Whats the point if you cant see how your characters are gonna look. Whats the point of mods to enhance an operator's looks and realism. COD doesnt have an issue with it since its a multiplayer arcade shooter while ghost recon is not.IS NOT.
@@ankandey3614we dress up in escape from tarkov and ready or not and those are fps shooters. You guys have a weird need to see the gear on your character all the time and that crazy.
There's also something called cutscenes where you can see all your drip at the end of every mission
Well said! It absolutely has to have a third person. In all honesty if it doesn’t I probably won’t even play it. There are enough 1st person games saturating the market. They just need to listen to the community on what we want and add a first person option.
If it's as Henderson says "milsim like in nature" then it will be very new to the console market as console players have no milsim games
Theyre going to take all the shit we asked for and completely ignore it... why first person....why...
Because console players don't wanna have to buy a pc to play a hard-core militaty fps
This shouldn't even be a conversation. There's no tech barrier on including both 1st and 3rd person. And you could even throw in top down view's for the giggles. If Rockstar could find value in having both in GTA, then Ubisoft shouldn't need to strech a single braincell to come to the same conclusion. It's player choice and freedom at a very very basic level.
If they pull an Ubisoft and go full first-person then I'll just stick to breakpoint & Wildlands for my Tactical shooter needs.
Third person all day long,I won't buy first person ghost recon,third person you get uniforms all different etc.if I want first person ill get call of duty or Battlefield etc,not that many third person games shooters if you change this game just change all games to first person joking.also the man your playing with looks cool.first person doesn't let you see the fear in the man's eyes your killing in game play does it
Absolutely worst decisione ever! Why on earth would you make Ghost Recon like COD just baffles me... if I wanted FPS I would've bought COD or BF, GR is just a whole different universe! (Another thing that just leaves me fuming... you really absolutely want to implement first person? Fine, but for the love of Christ don't make it _exclusive_!)
Just keep it switchable, everyone is happy then...... Not rocket science 🙄
You I don't understand why they make problems out of things that aren't broken.
100% agree, awesome video brother thank you. I personally LOVE Wildlands & Breakpoint, both games hit different and both extremely enjoyable i also love 3rd person i love being able to customize my character and seeing my gear layouts its super fun. 👌 thnx for keeping this game alive for us Ghost mad respect.
I mustve came back to this video 50 times already retyping my comment lol...
Long story short, it will be heartbreaking for me to see Ghost Recon go full FPS... I will invest in a PC and just play Breakpoint with all the fancy mods for the next 10 years if the next Ghost Recon Title is Full FPS. The end.
Who plays on Xbox and plays stealthy??
Me.
An important thing you missed is that Ghost Recon 2 and GRAW games on consoles were 3rd person standard, BUT there was a GR1 style first person mode available, hidden in the settings.
Thank you for addressing and explaining the "fps vs 3rd person" argument. People seem to forget ghost recon 2 was the one that made the switch to 3rd person and that one was much better received. You could argue the pc and ps version of graw went back to fps but those versions also did not do as well as the xbox 360 which was 3rd person version. Which debunks the whole "people want first person back" argument. What we really want is the gritty tactical mil sim aspect. Idgaf what perspective it is. I would prefer 3rd, but it is what it is. Maybe do what R6 vegas did. Fps with a 3rd person cover system as an option, maybe? Idk
As far as the cover system goes. They'll likely add a peak/lean feature like you see in R6 siege.
How hard is it to understand that players like options? Just give us the damn option for 1st / 3rd person. It's not that hard. If modders can do it for Wildlands and Breakpoint then why is it so difficult for AAA developers? Why are these folks so stubborn and rigid in their ways. Either way, I like the GR franchise and will play the next game regardless. I think fans need to also be open minded to new experiences. But we should not accept sup par products either.
Everyone absolutely shit on Breakpoint and complained how bad it was... understandably. Ubisoft cleaned house and are trying something new, and are trying to appeal to the ready or not style of hardcore tactical shooters(which I and hundreds of others left Breakpoint for) and everyone loses their minds. Ready or Not, made by a small group of people has sold 4.9 million copies... that's half of wildlands, without the powerhouse publisher. Breakpoint had ten times less revenue than wildlands. I think its safe to say that the tactical shooter community, wants a Ready or Not, Gray Zone, Arma type shooter. I love Ready or Not, and the cover system is up to me. The option to lean around walls and heavy lean are your cover system, the system is you. I play on controller by the way. I don't think its a bad idea to have both options, but when it comes to multiplayer, it cant be. Third person adds a peak advantage over first person, and that's why the more tactical guys play first person royals. What irritates me the most is everyone wanted breakpoint to be different than what it was, and now they're making something different, and everyone is already bitching. These devs can't win man.
If it's 1st person only, I'm not buying it. There are already a bunch of FPS games. If I want anFPS, I'll buy one of those. At least give us the option to choose between 1st and 3rd person perspective.
I don't understand how Ubisoft can be so stupid. If money is the most important thing to them, isn't the best option both first and third person. There are many players,including me who won't buy a game if it's only in first person . Also microtransactions and skins. What's the point in buying skins if you don't see your character? Third person is the only reason why many players play Ghost Recon. I don't want Ghost Recon to be Call of Duty or Battlefied, I want Ghost Recon to stay Ghost Recon.
I agree with all your points, but will add a little bit more. All I want is a new setting, smarter AI, and a decent story. They could just about copy either of the last two games with the changes that I listed and I would be happy. What I do not want is a hard core millsim, live only, and any kind of social commentary or activist junk. I want the game to be fun like the last two.(once they were patched/fixed),
Me personally I would like first person but I do agree that it should be a option to switch from first to third person, like I wish breakpoint had that as a option especially on console cause on computer there's a mod that gives you first person in the game, like for the point of the camera first or third person they just need to make the takedowns work for both first and third, but again it should be able to switch from first to third or third to first cause everyone has a different play style like for me I person prefer first person in video games that deals with shooting, or military, now if it's a mmno rpg game I'll be more prone to have the camera for 3rd person. And speaking of rpg games when are we going get a one that doesn't need souls I hate soul games we need a game that's has the fighting combat of the Witcher 3 , level up from black desert and the stats from fallout and a way of choosing passive perks like fallout 4 where you level perks up and but there passive and you can use all the perks we want. Anywho that's what I think about 1st and 3rd person and having a great rpg game
3rd person is the way to go! We already have a ton of FPS games, and if Ubi changes Ghost Recon to that, it will just be another run of the mill FPS game that doesn't really differentiate itself from the competition! Being in 3rd person isn't what hurt the initial launch of Breakpoint! What hurt Breakpoint was they tried to make it a loot box game with RPG gear scores, and they went away from the cartel story that everyone wanted to continue with Wildlands and replaced it with generic soldiers on a fictitious Island trying to stop Skynet reject drones. As the games life cycle progressed and they started listening to what the fans wanted the game drastically changed and morphed into a decent tac shooter with some of the best 3rd person animations out. All Ubisoft has to do is take what they learned from the reception of Operation Motherland and the positive praise of Wildlands and build on it!
I’ve been a big Ghost Recon fan since Future Soldier. I kinda came in late. I’ve spent a lot of time and money on the past two games. If they make the next one first person, there’s no chance I’ll ever touch it. I hate first person games, COD being the only exception..
If this comment reaches the developers ears. KEEP IT 3rd PERSON! OTHER WISE MY OUTFITS MEAN NOTHING! I do better when my guy is dressed for the occasion. lol (but seriously)
Agreed
Me personally idc if its first or third pov. Would it be cool to add a toggle for the pov like pubg? Yes. But im hoping for gameplay to be on point. Long range snipes. Ai doesnt know exactly where your at. Just make it feel natural with patrols that go missing. Another patrol looks for them to figure out what happened.
They don't learn from the suicide squad games..if the fans not happy with it,why make it...if they still want to make FP..make it option like rdr 2 did..
Yes I agree we should be able to choose 1st and 3rd person view I also think and hope they don’t lose their identity as a military shooter with all the cartoony customizations and micro transactions like mw I also think they should work on the ai teammates to be more like a squad for solo players and have more that 4 ai teammates I think 8 would be wonderful to have a actual squad of guys instead of three ai teammates that are completely invisible to the bad guys and full customization from head to toe better hair style and different character name to choose from so everyone is not nomad at this point nomads like 60 years old give us a lil customization in the callsign and more full weapons customization with a lot of scopes and lasers and laser placement flashlights and such to make so of the gameplay a lil more realistic sorry went on a rant but hopefully we can get some thing like that in the next couple of game and maybe just maybe like face scan and stuff like nba 2k and MLB it’s not to crazy to think we can do stuff like that right maybe I’m asking to much but I think a lot of people would agree
Seeing the background footage, I realize again how much better the open world is in Wildlands compared to Breakpoint.
Even though Starfield didnt do too well in areas of exploration. They did a fantastic job on the first and third person perspective. Making it very smooth. So it could work doing a blend of first and third.
What makes Ghost Recon different from the rest is that it's a third-person tactical shooter. Why make it the same as the rest of the first-person shooters out there? If you want an example of Ghost Recon at its best; look no further than Ghost Mode on Wildlands. This should be standard moving forward. Keep it third person.
i would prefer it being a swap between 1st and 3rd person. and realistically that's probably what they're gonna do. these are just leaks, so at best we're getting half the story of a game that's most likely barely getting into alpha.
after 2 failures, one of them straight up getting canceled, i think (or at least hope) they learned their lesson about straying too far from what the players want.
If the new Ghost Recon is 1st only its a BIG deal breaker for me. I won't waste my time with it. I hate 1st person games. I've played several of the Ghost Recon games all of which where 3rd person that and being a tactical shooter where the reasons I played them and loved them.
I am already disinterested in the game because of the rumors of FPS. I have a laundry list of FPS games to catch up on playing, and this will be at the very bottom of my list unless it comes out and is an absolute banger.
Id prefer to have the option.. but imo as long as i can still see my body and gear in 1st person, and can still switch shoulders, I'd be okay with it...
I know it’s possible to be able to toggle between first person and third person. What would be wrong with that? I prefer FPS while many do not. Satisfy us all.
I won't buy a first-person only Ghost Recon. Make it optional to play either way. 3rd-person is more realistic anyway.
If it is first person, I will not be buying it. I only play third person games
3rd person, will definitely buy.
1st person only, not sure, may not buy.
We should have option for both.
Thank you 3rd person is where it's at but having the first person view is also nice if you want to stay in 1st person it should be an option to toggle on and off depending on the player and their preferences but to be just 1st person I'd go play Gray zone Warfare when that drops .
My favorite thing about this brand is the 3rd person. I don’t play any 1st person shooters. I will continue my trend if this game goes to 1st person. I sincerely hope Ubisoft sees the posts in this thread.
The reason they are going first person is they had it set that way in Frontline. Also the first person breakpoint mod is popping off. I prefer Ghost recon 2 option. 3rd person with a scope option.
Simply won’t be buying it if it’s first person only they’ve completely misunderstood what the community was asking for again we wanted an option to have first person not it being the only option
Just keep it like wildlands and breakpoint, 3rd person with the option to go 1st person. Everyone is happy. 3rd person is ace
to be honest first person was boring i am old enough to had play the originals the advance warfighter were way fun to play for the third person view wildlands to me was the best of all breaking point is boring AF really AF they need to take back the wildland concept but evolved
In my opinion the third person traversing and first person aim is a superior mode of playing these type of games. The option to go third person while aiming is really cool too. It’s a big reason I play the series at all not to mention replaying them. I think again just one guy talking here there’s nothing to fix in the modalities of play.
Correct .... ARMA 3 first and Third still being played.... Mission Editor Maybe
If no 3rd person. It’s a no buy
100 percent agree. I'm ok with ghost recon being both first and 3rd person but not just first
I have to play it to make up my mind im sure it will be good either way but as long as it stays open world im happy we dont get many games like ghost recon its always cod or battlefield and i like open world especially when they are coop
My first was GR: Advanced Warfighter on console and have bought all of them since. 3rd person is what attracted me to the franchise so would be a shame to if it isnt included at all.
Won't be buying if its not 3rd person plus i like the customisation whats the point if you can't see you gear an outfit ? 😅
Honestly, i couldn't agree more. For some strange reason, hardcore milsim players seem to think that we have to choose between either a mediocre, open-world TPS without squad tactics OR a tactical, squad based FPS but we can't have a good game IF it's open-world or if it's a TPS. 🫤
I still would like GR to remain an open-world but give us the option to switch between first and third person with squad controls and tactics. 👌 It's the only way forward in my eyes.
Tactical First Person Shooter games:
Call of Duty
Battlefield
Rainbow Six Siege
ARMA
Apex Legends
Farcry (ish kinda)
etc...
Tactical Third Person Shooter games:
Ghost Recon Wildlands/Breakpoint
............ That's all folks!
So when they announce they are going to do FPS and jump into the very over saturated market while they were the ONLY shooter in the 3rd person space since Metal Gear ended is kinda shit.
Oh well, i guess i am just waiting for Kojima to return to stealth action after Death Stranding 2 for a GOOD 3rd person tactical stealth action game....
Lol... putting cod and arma in the same category is wild
Going back to fps is the worst idea ever third person keeps your character t alive instead of just being arms and a gun