Is Felicia the REAL Reason why Vander Tried to Kill Silco? - Therapist Analysis
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Did guilt and love drive Vander’s actions against Silco? In this speculative video, Georgia explores a hidden layer of Arcane’s story, theorizing that Vander’s love for Felicia, Vi and Jinx’s mother, and his overwhelming guilt over her death led him to wrongly blame Silco. Georgia analyzes subtle body language cues and emotional beats that suggest Vander’s guilt wasn’t about betrayal but about his own role in her tragic fate. Could this theory reveal the true depth of Vander’s conflict with Silco? Join Georgia as she unpacks the emotional complexity of these relationships and their impact on Arcane’s narrative.
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Hoping you cover D-16 and Orion Pax soon.
Now we need jinx (again)
since when a skill is a genetic aspect bruhhhhhhhhh,
that does not link with genetics.
genectics about the body but not your skills.
skills about learning,teaching process and yes vander helped vi with that,
also about the red hair vander does not have that,he has a brown hair,
Vi's mother on the other hand has what powder and vi hair color mixed together so yah i do not think flisha had anything other than being friends
Stop making friends to fk lovers all of the sudden
you turning adorable things to weird relationship
I love u n how u analyse this series, all ur cosplays, all the beauty in u, u r so pretty n intelligent, love u ❤
There's some good context for why Vander would blame Silco at all that's super easy to miss. In a very brief shot in one of the flashbacks, we see Silco throwing a Molotov at the enforcers on the bridge. I've heard people say that the demonstration on the bridge started as a protest, but this violent action by Silco turned it into a riot in which the girls' parents were killed. This would also explain why the girls were at the bridge in the first place. If you were planning a riot you probably wouldn't take your kids to it.
This also kind of parallels Jinx’s arc, how an accidental escalation of violence (with an improvised explosive no less) for initially aligned goals completely shattered their relationship. Makes a hell of a lot of sense why Silco feels such kinship with jinx if that’s the case.
That makes a LOT of sense. It always felt off that the kids were there, but a peaceful protest turned violent would absolutely explain it.
Moreover, it explains why the parents, who weren't necessarily fighters, were present. Not to violently revolt, but to advocate peacefully for the future.
This comment needs to be pin down
i dont think so, there wasnt any burn marks or so
Ooohh I didn't hear that one, I heared about the one that maybe silco killed felicia and connol with the molotoc on accident but I think this could be like put together he threw it started a riot and caused connol's and felicias death with some like enforcer maybe, but I mean that is just what I will kinda believe in for now
I *loved* the "I'm bozo 1" bait-and-switch.
i know how adorable
I think its loosely implied that vanders note was what actually healed their relationship in the alternate universe.
Or more that it's not the note that healed their relationship but started the process of healing. Which apparently an "expert" in psychology doesn't seems to think exists.
@@harryballsak1123Or maybe she just forget? She’s still human at the end of the day, why so hostile?
@@adalanti4346 Not hostile. Not sure how you took t that way. forgot what? She said Vander's apology wasn't good and wouldn;t have ben good enough. SHE is the one implying that their relationship couldn't be healed for the note. Maybe if Silco saw the note it would have at least cause him to reach out to Vander and from there they can stat healing their friendship. that would be true in ANY reality. I wasn't even specifically talking about the alternate timeline. So what is there to forget? Her theory is a bad apology has ZERO effect. The fact is could have started a process doesn't even occur to her
@@harryballsak1123
I honestly agree. I think the apology being kinda short got to the main points and to.ok accountability without trying to deflect or excuse anything, and at the end, he brings up the offer of actually talking about this more in depth at a later time in person, if Silco wants to be found of course. And certain things probably doesn't need to be explicitly stated, like "When she died, I lost my head" and "Blisters and bedrock".
@@harryballsak1123 Just gonna point out, you _were_ hostile. You typed "expert" which implies skepticism and you put it in a snide, unnecessary remark. You undermine her earned knowledge and expertise based on a single mistake. That is hostile.
Oh I agree Vander was SMITTEN with Felicia. And she loved him too. But something didn’t align and she was with Connel instead. I don’t think Vander is Vi’s father, because I don’t think he would have reacted with so much surprise at the news if Vi was his. To me, his reaction was kind of a « oh shit, her and Connel are more serious now » and Silco was watching for any sign of disappointment from him, but he handled it.
I think the thing missed about Vander is that he is notoriously known for being a strong, scary dude. A smooth talker, yes, but very strong and powerful. Big part of why he was the leader of the underground. We see this in episode 1 when he sorts out the dealers in the last drop and when he fights Silco’s men. He has a dark rage to him and we see this when Viktor explores his mind. Silco even outright mentions this “Vander was not the man you thought he was” and even remarks upon it when he stabs him, “I knew you were still in there”. Warwick (the hell hound he turns into) is his rage unleashed without the man behind it.
We don’t know Silco’s immediate thoughts just post Vanders attempt to kill him but the anger Silco holds onto towards Vander was not from the attempt on his life but for giving up on the dream for Zaun for the sake of Vi and Powder. Ironically, the same decision he ends up making for Jinx.
is there anything so undoing as a daughter
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@@GeorgiaDowand you get another!
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Something you definitely missed or at the very least I didn't hear you mention it is that there's a scene in season 2 that shows Silco standing over Felicia's body on the bridge with a look of absolute Terror on his face. I believe it is implied that Silko was supposed to be protecting them and he failed so Vander blames him for their deaths and perhaps Silko blames Vander for the botched Rebellion who he was the leader of. I also do believe that that letter is the reason their relationship healed in the alternate timeline or at the very least was the Catalyst for rekindling their friendship and the two of them working together is what allowed their Nation to thrive and become equals with the upper City
I dont remember this at all which episode is it in. ?
@GeorgiaDow ill have to watch back but I believe its in one of the episodes victor is working on vanders mind. Its a brief frame that adds context to the bridge
@@GeorgiaDow Around 17 minutes of ep5 season 2 when Singed is talking about Warwick's mind.
@@GeorgiaDow Funnily enough, it's in the same episode as this one S2E5, but it happens while Singed is explaining to Ambessa what makes Warwick/Vander tick, (Around the middle of the episode) And it shows Vander on their rampage on the bridge once he spots Silco.
Oh you right. Damn I had to check it myself. Personally watching your video I got the idea by the lack of Silco being on the bridge,Vander had seen it as a betrayal for "Not fighting"... turns out he was there... but still couldn't protect them... equal result I suppose.
Thanks for menti9ning it, I hadn't noticed it cos ya know... the show blasts so much nuanced information at you it's hard to keep up....
I did notice though Jinx has a string chocker on toward the end of the show... Is that silcos bracelet as shown when he closes the book at the bar... (I was looking to see if the notes were more like a book/journal/spread sheet... I had the idea he was doing taxes and spedsheets for the bar like they ran it together, vander and silco
I don't think Vander's letter was meant as a full apology. My interpretation is "I feel sorry for what i did. I want to make things right. Let's meet and have a talk." And at the meeting he was planning to apologize properly. Like you said, some thing shouldn't be done via letter or text, it should be done in person.
Exactly this. Men don't talk about important stuff through letters. Especially if the apology will include something like a free sucker-punch.
That was my read too
That makes a whole lot more sense
Completely agree. The blisters and bedrock thing was maybe something that was mentioned in a way to get back to Silco in one way or another to maybe set things in motion for a sit down.
@@ChrisSummers-AlienFaeRE yeah, that part was "this is bigger than us, we can not fail, we have to make things rright for Them"
The look that silco gave vander specifically when felicia said she's knocked up, yeah he knew what was up.
My first read on that was both of them panicking and wondering, 'it is mine?'
@@Merciful_Angel It's just bad writing and storytelling they're like brothers to Felicia. Like Mylo and Claggor to Powder but s2 does a bad job at showing us this relationship so there's a lot of confusion. The main reason why it's such a messy plotline is because Silco being close friends with the sister's parents was an afterthought not an original plot from their original scripts.
@@edgybravo4287And you know that all, because..?
@@edgybravo4287 whats it with fans of this show and forcing sibling dynamics on all of the the characters: Sevika and Jinx have aunt/nice thing going on suddenly its sisterly bickering, Jinx adopts a kid to parallel Silcos "Nothing as undoing as a daughter" arc Everyone just yapping about their "sisterly" bond and how Jinx gets to be big sister, so like Powder and Vi awww, Viktor and Jayce become one with the universe together and its #Brotherhood, its so weird Everyone has to be siblings suddenly in Arcane its weird, you know there other dynamics?
@@Cheesecake_666 I love how you completely left out the Jayce/Mel, Vi/Cait relationships. Probably because it didn't fit your narrative huh?
Also, in the "Remember me" scene we dive into Vanders memories. We see the husband of Felicia only very briefly in two scenes and he isn't even as fleshed out as F or the kids, as if he is super unimportant. The parents enter the room, the father vanishes from the scene and from then on, the next few scenes are just Felicia with her kids, how the play, cook, etc. Again, her husband is nowhere to be seen and they are Vanders memories, and he watches the children AND Felicia as if this was HIS family. And tbh the first time watching I felt that Silco has a crush on her too, so who knows what type their relationship (or all three of them) was...
I think they were just friends with her but not her boyfriend
One thing that sticks out to me is how much Felicia's mood falls the second Vander asks if Connel knows. Makes me wonder if he was actually a good person. Like, she was already uncertain telling Vander and Silco, but the thought of telling Connel seemed to be a real worry for her
@edwardwestmoreland-caunter6128, it could also show that MAYBE at this point, her and connel were still newly together and she didn't know for certain how he would feel about having a child. Maybe they weren't very official yet too. Usually long term relationships would eventually have this conversation while her reaction gives too much uncertainty for that to be the case
I love the parallel when Silco learns the truth: Love will make us go to incredible lengths.
"Is there anything so undoing as a daughter?"
He gave up the fight, too, at the finish line no less.
I think its why he goes to Vander's statue too, he finally got the answer to why he gave up the fight and respects him once again.
I’m glad I’m not the only one who picked up on the tension. I raised an eyebrow with the *HEAVY* handed focus on lingering gazes, especially since the flashback montage begins & ends with one.
The way it starts off with an incredibly intimate & almost claustrophobic shot of Vander peering up to gaze upon Felicia felt a lot like “basking in the moment & sight”. It must be one of his more cherished, close-to-the-heart memories since it’s THIS exact memory that pacifies him in his Warwick rampage (only seconds prior was he about to brutally maul Vi), and we have to keep in mind his memories as Warwick are actively suppressed so I’m guessing it holds tenfold the sentimentality.
Plus, it’s a really sweet detail that his “humanizing” memory begins with his sight set on Felicia & ends with her gaze set on him, essentially mirroring one another before the montage fades to black. Even then, her image persists just a while longer against the black backdrop.
Considering Felicia is already married(?) & Vander is Zaun’s revolutionary figurehead, he’s an inherently high-risk figure to associate with, so I can 100% see their dynamic being “wrong place, wrong time, wrong world” leading to unrequited feelings festering.
Also, I laughed so hard when Vander pulled a cheeky smirk before saying: “I’ve always liked the name violet.”
With the “violet” line being a clever allusion to Felicia’s violet hair- I saw it as Vander implying a dual purpose statement: serving as both a lighthearted suggestion / admission of affection:
“I’ve always liked the name Violet.” = “I’ve always liked ‘this defining trait’ of you.”
Anyways, I thought it was such a tender & bittersweet moment to realize how much Felicia served as a catalyst & foundation to what drives Vander & Silco’s ambitions for Zaun- and ironically how her death ties in to the two’s pursuit ending in stagnation (or corruption in Silco’s case). Her death served as a wake up call to Vander: “Who are you willing to lose?”
Vander lost his drive for revolution on that same day he lost Felicia. It’s important to note that Silco doesn’t even fault Vander for almost drowning him while he was in the throes of grief- it was only until Vander started working with Enforcers, the same people who killed Felicia, that he completely lost respect. Now compound that with hatred.
It feels like a cog came loose since Felicia’s death. 😅
wow that is an excellent assessment of possibilities
lemme guess you felt the same tension between Viktor and Jace, too? ;)
Also, with all the switching between Vander's, Felicia's, and Vi's eyes. Felicia's eyes are grey. Vander's are blue. Vi's eyes are grey with hints of blue. They don't show Connol's eye color so there's no telling. It's also never stated if Felicia and Connol ever married. I feel like they just had kids together. Did they even live together? We see Felicia and the kids spending time together. We see Vander even there. So do they all live together? Were they literally roommates? Zaun never really emphasizes if marriage is even a big thing down in the undercity. The undercity gives a very open-minded society so they wouldn't be the social norm. It kind of makes me even wonder about polygamy. It always stays on my mind every time where we hear someone call them Vander's kids. Then all the similar traits Vi has to Vander. Her two headed hound jacket. Vander is the hound of the underground. Vi's the second hound of the underground hence two headed dog.
@@rosekeith4851 I also wonder how official Connol & Felicia’s union is, but considering he is only ever mentioned by proxy to Felicia, he might just be the ‘official’ beau.
And I also think Vander could be the bio dad. When Viktor unlocks Vander’s memories inside Warwick, Connol is suspiciously depicted to the side or with his back turned (referencing the frame of Felicia pregnant with Connol holding a toddler Vi). It felt a lot like Vander was purposely setting him aside in his recollections while Felicia’s presence alongside Vi & Pow were amplified so heavily.
I doubt Vander is the kind of guy who would blurt out that he’s actually the bio dad & come across as a homewrecker to his community, so he took what is realistically the closest position to Felicia & the kids: a godfather / secondary father, hence his active participation in their early lives.
Seemingly the most convenient role to fill to keep in frequent & close contact with your (maybe?) old flame who you still clearly harbor a fondness for & (maybe?) biological kids. Oh, and Connol is there too I guess 😅
How like his daughter, for Silco to be blamed for a tragedy he didn’t intend.
And how like his daughter, for Vander to blame himself for a tragedy he couldn’t control.
That's deep! (edit: and so true)
Silco wanted to start a war by firebombing the enforcers who was there to talk. You have to be ignoring reality to NOT think a lot of people would end up dead from that. sm
absolutely this
you made me cry saying the obvious like that.-. love
We were ALL thinking the same thing. Vander (and maybe Silco) loved Felicia as more than a friend. That made her death even more impactful and both men's devotion to taking care of her daughters even more sweet/heartbreaking. (Felicia and Vander having a matching necklace and bracelet...oof 🫢).
Not Silco, most of the time he's not sitting close to her and he's more focused on his writing than looking at her, and he almost end3d both VI and Jinx. Had he loved her he would've never done what he did in the first episode of season 1, and if people think Jinx is Silcos daughter they would share physical features but they don't. She doesn't have his French nose, his triangular face, his hooded eyes.
Maybe Vance but I doubt the writers wanted their strong man with a heart of gold be a man that would have am afair with a married woman.
@@MayanOwl Just cause they "hypothetically" love her doesn't mean she returns those feelings and are having an affair. they seem to be the type that brush that aside
I'd like to know why we don't learn about vi and jinx s dad.
@prehistoricorchid3455 I didn't say she did, I said if that's what people believe. Ie. HYPOTHETICALLY.
Nah, Silco loved Vander.
Look at Silco's hair at 9:57 - the strands falling from his face perfectly mirror the iconic Jinx bangs
You probably missed a small detail in the "Remember me" music sequence. Either Felicia, Connol or both of them also worked in the mines since they give little Vi the same type of gauntlets Vander has. I don't think she's biologically his daughter especially since found family is such a huge theme in the show.
The vander&silco&felicia threeway is canon now.
ha
true i mean the way vander and silco touch eachother and how close they are and SILCO ALWAYS HOLDING ONTO VANDER'S ARM they are polycule
the concept art book too they both have a sort of personal touch that you wouldn't just do with someone hou arent comfy with vander silco cant just be two bros raising powder in that alternate reality 🤔
@@hanniekanaria5549 In the AU episode where SIlco has his hand on Vander's shoulder and not just in one location. I want some body language analysis of that XD (starts above the shoulder bad thing, then moves on top and then when Ekko offends him moves up again, never breaking contact even though it's a tense situation)
My theory is that it was a difference between the writers and the animators. Where the writers just wrote one story and the artists added subtext. Like I wonder if Jinx find their jackets was something that was in the script or just what the animators came up with.
I'm not the only one who sees this?
I definitely thought there was something between Vander and Felicia at some point
exactly
The first time I saw the scene, I thought it was romantic, but subsequent viewings have me thinking, "Best Big Brother, " the kind that you know and KNOWS you. The three come across as adults who have been Best Friends since 1st grade.
I also think that it was their respective reactions to Felicia’s death that led to the confrontation. Vanderbilt saw her death, took in her daughters, and wanted to avoid any further conflict. It’s why he started cutting deals with the enforcers. But Silco went all in on the sunk-cost fallacy; Felicia died, so they have to keep fighting and winning to make her loss worth it.
Knowing Silco wouldn’t stop and blaming him for her death, Vander lashed out. This is what gave him the initial veneer of “it’s for the greater good,” but he later realized it was just fear and grief.
Tragic, all around. And I loved your analysis of their interactions! Even if Vi wasn’t actually Vander’s, he loved her and felt that she was his in a way.
Vander and silco went all in on the sunk cost fallacy as the letter implies neither side would admit they were in the wrong. they are actively portrayed as the extreme opposite view of each other and the flaws in their view points cause their downfall.
Silco would have taken that as a dangerous split in motives and ideals too. Could have caused a civil war which would have destroyed them both anyway.
Before I watch your video, a different video had a commenter pose the question: "Why were Powder and Vi at the bridge?" and an idea clicked. You had a violent revolt, what's the chance that Felicia brought her kids to a violent revolt? That doesn't make sense. Would they have come afterwards? What's the chance that Vi would knowingly take Powder into a violent situation? No, that doesn't add up. Alternate explanation: it wasn't a violent revolt. It was a protest that turned violent and Vi and Powder hid and they came out of hiding to see the devastation and found their parents. That adds up.
And if we go from there... why did it turn violent? Well... why did Vander attack Silco after Felicia died? Did he blame Silco for Felicia's death?
Oh God that makes so much sense! I wondered that, too! Like what were the kids doing in the middle of a brutal battle? But the way you said it just fits in my eyes.
I think that's been implied to be the case since episode one, if we assume the song powder was singing about meeting a "friend across the river" was being sung by all the zaunites involved
One of the artistic Vander flashbacks shows Silco throwing a Molotov cocktail equivalent. I think the pieces clicked into place for me at that point.
You should make a video a of the psychology of Ekko & Jinx
happening also
Ya 🎉
Everything about this scene is super vague. The writers could have had the romance angle or they could have been all been siblings/adopted siblings or close friends or maybe she's just super friendly with everybody and they were the first people she saw after she found out. (That last one isn't very satisfying). She could have been closer to Vander than Silco or she could have just been giving Silco space since he was working on something. I guess the writers left it so that people could come up with their own head canons.
The note would have worked, because in the universe Ekko ends up in Silco and Vander are friends again. My theory is that the note is a "pre-apology" since Vander wanted to give the real apology in person but didn't want to freak out Silco by tracking him down.
Who in the world looks at their siblings with these sultry glances. That’s just eww.
@@ConsoleCombatExactly my thought! That was not platonic AT ALL. Sultry gazes are absolutely not for your siblings! 😂
@@ConsoleCombat I wouldn't call them sultry, id just call them affectionate. Never did it cross my mind that there was anything between but platonic love.
I defy you to find a platonic explanation for that look. Good lord, the tragedy.
You are so right
I must admit that when I first saw this scene my thoughts were that the three of them, Silco, Vander, and Felecia were siblings making Silco and Vander uncles to the kids. And when Felecia was killed I thought it was Silco’s Powder moment in which Vander had his Vi moment of rejecting his sibling. As a response to a family member being killed.
But after watching the is I am open to to the idea that not only was I wrong but that Vander might be the bio dad of Vi possibly also Jinx. Which would make Silco raising Jinx even more heart wrenching.
@@annihlud6569
The real galaxy-brain take is that Vander is Vi’s bio dad, but Silco is Powder’s. You can kinda see it in their general build and facial features-not to mention young Silco clearly has Jinx’s hair texture/style.
@@Jjames763💀💀 doubt it. Also would make the story less serious, more soapy.
@@theaizereif you look at the art book you’ll understand that why they said it.
I do love that you can see where Vi and Jinx got their charisma from.
😆 I swear, When Felicia said "I'm knocked up" The sudden reaction from Silco and how his eyes shifted back and forth it was like a "oh! is it mine" reaction . Even Vander made a slight eye contact with Silco as if he noticed Silo's sudden reaction, I could not stop laughing. Honestly though I can not see how Silco looks in the flashback and how similar Powder is with they're features, Powder looks like the perfect combination of Felicia and Silco, Chin,Eyebrows, Jawline, in both realities. I can't unsee it. It is even interesting that the Alternate Powder dresses in Silco Style clothing yet has Vander's styled hair, while Jinx has young Silco's Swooshy front bang. I am not not saying Vi is Silco's Daughter,no,no,no. However Powder. She is a perfect mix of Felicia and Silo in features not just style. Just Saying poor Connoll, Felicia's got some explaining to do. 😆
Or not, since well...they're both dead...
@ true enough,still can’t unsee how uncanny Powder’s features are to Silco’s. 😂, Felicia told Vander & Silco before her own husband about being pregnant with Vi. 🤨 She trusted Vander & Silco. I wonder When Felicia died, I wonder if Silco blamed Piltover & wanted even more payback while Vander blamed Silco for Felicia’s death.
@@ArcaneMelodies82not so sure about payback for paybacks sake. .he seemed to want to put piltover in a position to negotiate for Zaun from a more leveragable position.
Like when he met Marcus he was happy that he was getting somewhere and had negotiations handled. .minus the price that was his girl of course.
@@ChrisSummers-AlienFaeRE right. It also made me wonder When Felicia gave the news to Vander and Silco about pregnant, and Her fear of raising Vi & later of course Powder in the slum conditions,just scraping by with Enforcers down they’re throats then. I wonder if Vander and Silco started the rebellion for a better future for Felicia’s children,to no longer be chained to Piltover. Once “She” died I lost my head, Vander said in his apology letter to Silco. I think “She” was Felicia and Vander blamed her death only on his brother,but the reason was the hope to have Zaun be a better place to raise her children.
When Jinx read the letter and said "this could have changed everything", I thought, nah girl, that's no apology for attempted murder!
Men have forgiven each other for. .maybe not worse but definitely things as bad as this.
Silco even says he's thankful (albeit maniacally) for Vander pushing him to grow stronger in their friendship turned rivalry.
Theres something they say about if you dont care about someone you wouldn't hate them / have scorn.
Since we know that nothing in Arcane happens randomly and the song she is playing is called "Our love", one really could think that it's something like an unrequited or impossible love.
No way that's a platonic relationship. Now whether she cheated with him is up for debate, but there was absolutely romantic tension.
Cool detail: In the alternate universe, Powder wears Vander's amulet after Vi dies.
Other thoughts: The relationship between Vander and Silco is also supposed to be based on if Silco did find the letter and found the power to forgive Vander. The two timelines diverge when Vi and co were trying to steal from Jayce's apartment. With Vi and Jayce's death (the rune from his wrist is the shards Ekko pulls from the wall, brotha got cooked worse than Vi) being the divergence point. I think it's specific to the lore that the timeline probably only splits based on the instability of the arcane. I do think it's unhealthy how often people take close platonic relationships, like what's implied with Vander and Felicia, and assume there's something romantic going on. I can see it more with these two than with Jayce and Viktor, but I think it's just a widespread problem in media interpretation. People can be very good friends and love each other deeply without having any romantic or sexual desires involved, I speak from experience there. I think it would be very clear to Connel that Vander is the father if he really was. We'd have to assume Connel is either okay/forgiving of that, or too stupid to notice all these things. He's friends with Vander and Silco as well. It is possible that it's intended to be written this way, but I think the evidence is weak. Vander is just a W godfather, IMO. Another theory some people have thrown around is that Vander was gay with Silco, mostly leading from how close they are in the AU when Silco forgives Vander. This theory also has weak evidence, but if we combine both of them then Vander would have to be bi. Anyway, Arcane is peak and I always love your videos on it, Georgia.
Oh my goodness I didn't catch that one ! excellent. = ). thanks I will mention when we do powder ekko
I assure you, we ALL thought the same thing with the way Vander and Silco were staring at her.
was it a threesome?
maybe Vander and Silco also had some sexy time going on LOL
ok i'll stop
It's interesting to hear different views, I personally saw it completely platonic and that Vander is very much a man of found family who will do anything to protect that but has issues with his anger that he has taken steps to curb by season 1 and adds to the tragedy that after becoming Warwick he's fueled by instinctive rage at a drop of blood where only the connection of said found family is able to temper it.
I think he reacted so strongly because similar to Powder setting off the the monkey, Silco threw the first pipe bomb and in that anger blamed him solely for their deaths, unfortunately it's difficult to pin down timelines because they did some potential retconning between the seasons and hair of all things is making it tough for me to figure out when the attempted drowning took place after the bridge.
Georgia…girl you’re onto something (also YAY A VIDEO ABT FELICIA !!)
i know right
mhm 🙂↕️
First reaction I watched of this episode was a live stream where as soon as she says "I'm knocked up" the chat started screaming "polycule!" and the streamer interpreted the look Vander & Silco gave each other as being unsure which of them was the father before Vander's line about Connoll hit.
The fact that a lot think this is fine I think. Doesn't effect the narrative badly and works as a perspective, even if head canon.
Although that scene gave strong vibes... I don't think Vi is Vander's daughter. I get the feeling the 3 were childhood friends, both of them liked Felicia, and she clearly has feelings for Vander, but was like "The life of revolutionaries isn't for me." She excludes herself when she says it's Vander and Silco's scheme.
I thought Vi and Jinx's her parents were part of the fight/revolution, which I always thought was weird because both went to war while having 2 small children. But now I think Silco had something to do with Felicia and Connor being at the bridge. That's why Vander blames Silco.
I always felt like they were just like family and the fact she is pregnant gives them more urgency to make undercity a better place for the child.
I have no doubt one of them had a crush in the past but i had assumed it was gone by now.
Vander and Silco called themselves brothers, so it wouldn't be farfetched to think they consider her like a sister
Careful now, the step shippers might bite 😂
I think it’s obvious. She’s living week to week in her own words. She’s closer to Vander and Silco and bestows a since of obligation to this child on them both.
She didn’t go to her partner first, she went to the men she trusted first cause she feels safe.
Connel is clearly maybe a fling or temporary situation. Sure he was in their life but Vander and Silco are the most powerful ppl in Zaun. The protectors of all the ppl.
The bond she has with Silco and Vander is stronger. Vander named her child, not her partner this is important nuance.
I also want to talk about how Silco pretends to not know the girls. Why is Silco avoidant about being close to them.
After season 1 ep3 at the end Silco says “where’s your sister little girl” when Silco knows them from the womb. It’s such an odd way to play a distant association. It’s like Silco is compartmentalizing his emotions
@@theatersnob3491maybe too much reading in. Silco had his gangoons with him and maybe didn't want to give away his past connections and relationships. Could be used against him.
It also speaks to the gravity of the violence that it's something he still remembers as Warwick - there's a flash during the blood hunt scenes where he sees Silco over Felicia and Connol, but Silco also looks shocked. Ep 7 after this scene was 😢
Dude was know to be the hound of the Undercity. You don't get that reputation by just appearing dangerous. Vander always had a beast inside him. Also appearently his and Silcos idea of creating safety and a life woth living was going to war. He wasn't always just the peaceful bartender.^^
I, too, thought that Vander might be Vi's real father, but he'd never admit it for fear of driving a wedge between the two sisters and that of himself and Vi.
Feel there's a retcon here. According to Vander's letter, he had tried to kill Silco after Felicia's death, but according to Arcane season 1, that's the opposite of what happened. Vander attempted to drown Silco WAAAY before he had found out that Felicia was dead
I daresay Silco was hellbent on renaming Powder as Jinx cuz he wasn't about to let Vander name all of Felicia's kids. Like bro leave one for me, the hell. Lmaoo
Funny 😂 but it's clearly to let her put the name behind her and start a new chapter, rather than ruminating. As someone who does that it's pretty big of him to go that far for someone else even if or maybe especially because he struggles that way too. We'll show them was what he set out to do. And to do so WITH jinx by his side, not as his lap dog or puppet as some wish to paint it as.
It's amazing that Vander and Silco loved Felicia so much that each in their on way tried to fulfill their promise. And, if Connol's name wasn't mentioned in this scene I would've said that the three of them were in a polyamorous relationship. Vi and Jinx could been, easily, Vander's and Silco's daughters, respectively.
I thought the same exact thing!!
I wondered that, too.
Why does that sound weird to me...
Cheating became romantic these day lol
@@sigal5542 If that is what you think who am i to disagree? A little advice, pay more attention to what you're reading before making this kind of comment.
If you look at young Silco’s appearance in the Arcane art book..He and Jinx share a suspiciously similar appearance, especially that little pout. That and their similarly lanky body structure really make me think ;)
Would be so much sadder tbh. Sweeter but more bitter.
You could be right. You can see the way BOTH of them look at Felicia. But I would take into account that, Vander is on the other side of the table, so it’s kind of hard to make that point that Felicia is closer to Vander even if she IS closer with Vander in general. And Silco didn’t offer any names at the time, so she took Vander’s suggestion. But great video!
I think the point was less that Silco didnt offer a name and more that she didnt figure out a name with her actual partner.
I like their addition of vander/felicia/silco backstory, this makes Silco's scene where he adopts Powder much more powerful. I think he originally planned on killing her (he took out a knife), and knowing his history with Vander it really means, as Silco put it himself "that day, I let a weak man die". He was really ready to erase all that previously mattered to him to get his the nation of Zaun. Yet when Powder hugged him a part of the old Silco came back and remembered his promise to Felicia that he would have helped raise her daughters. This whole background gives Silco's story arc much more depth (but you have to go back a re-watch some things to realize this)
I think my only complaint with the retcon of Silco knowing Vi and Powder is that he calls Powder 'little girl'. Seems an odd greeting when you're trying to get information out of someone you have apparently known for years.
17:30 I've tried many times to explain this to people. Quite often I can put people off because they can't separate emotion from reason and misinterpret my meaning as condoning. It's kind of nice to hear someone else say the same thing.
What if Vander and Felicia are actual siblings, while Silco is a brother in bond.
Again. Who looks at their sibling that way? That’s just weird. And it doesn’t explain the visceral response vander makes against silco. He was choking him with his bare hands and drowning him while looking into his eyes. He could have used his gloves but didn’t. He wanted silco to know that this was personal. That’s not a “you killed my sibling” type of response. That’s a you killed the love of my life type of response.
I don’t know about your family, but I’ve never seen a brother and sister look at each other like Vander and Felicia did.
@ lol. Exactly.
@@ConsoleCombatI think it's a valid "you killed my sibling" response actually
@@angeloalvarez5520 if silco were a stranger perhaps. He was proverbially his brother. Thats not a normal response against a brother over a sibling. But it is if it was a love interest.
I never realized how much Jinx sounds like Felicia in her cadence. Excellent analysis! As usual, your insight into human behavior is outstanding. I would love to see that high powered intuition for the characters of Final Fantasy VII - there’s SO much to dig into with their relationships. Thanks!
If this scene had been shown way back it would have been cute and character building. Choosing to show us after it's all over is painful. Knowing they had this love, knowing it's gone, cutting to vi and jinx reconnecting in the sewers with Vander, barely recognizable. It's the same reason why seeing Omniman learn to love humanity through Debbie in time to appreciate his son hits hard because it smash cuts to his son's broken face
Definitely thought the same immediately in that scene. Also perhaps worth considering that Felicia’s eyes are grey, Connol’s are brown, Vander’s are blue, and Vi and (pre-Shimmer) Powder’s are…. Blue.
Felicia's apprehension about coming up with a name hits different when you remember Vi coming up with the name for her sister out of the pain.
To some extent it mirrors how Vander vilified Silko.
Starting a Vander and Silco theory? That’s so trivial I love it and it makes so much sense too.
Perfect in depth analysis and cosplay as always
thanks so much
@ don’t mention it keep these videos coming
My personal belief is that Vander wanted to stop the fight and give up on zaun's liberation after Felicia died as he had lost all motivation and not been able to protect the people he loved. While Silco saw her death as motivation tearing them apart. Silco wouldn't give up, he wouldn't let Vander give up on their dream, they owed it to her to finish it, but Vander in his grief and loss of mental state, flipped on Slico, trying to kill him so that they didn't lose anyone else, Obviously this is why Silco said Vander still had his respect after what he did, Silco understood why Vander didn't want to fight anymore, but he lost Silco's respect when he made a deal with the same people responsible for Felicia's death.
Silco's arc also ends with him forgiving Vander at the end of season one,
"Is there anything as undoing as a daughter"
He understands why Vander did what he did and he sees him in VI and Jinx
Everytime I see Georgia discuss arcane it just re affirms for me that she NEEDS to cover Avatar The Last Airbender😭🙌 there’s literally SO much she could breakdown form that series
In the alt universe it's implied that the note either helped healed or started the healing processes between Vander and Silco.
My personal belief, is that the note helped, ie leaving a door open but it was Vi's death that actually pushed it forward in that universe.
That due to the removal of hextech and Silco & Vander being forced to work together to make Zaun better is what did it.
So glad you analyzed the body language in that scene. Also Arcane was not shy about presenting alternative sexual relationships, so this theory about Felicia, Vander and Silco is not a stretch. My theory is the writers were hinting that while Felicia was married (or at least partnered) to Connol it was an open relationship.
based of them to include Queer relationships ❤️
So I'm not the only one, who had that feeling, huh?
Also I really liked what you said abot the "understanding" vs "approving" someone's actions. I think that what makes Arcane's villains so great and memorable is that their actions are very well understandable, even if not approvable.
Speaking about which, it really surprised me, how many people did not even try to understand Vi when she hit Powder in s1ep3. I think a lot of people would react much MUCH worse if someone close to you killed your friends/family because they refused to listen.
The way you giggles after each scene played was so cute I was giggling along🤣🤣🤣
I get the feeling Vander named both of them. Violet and powder. Being that they're game characters, I'll forget that their names match their hair color
vi has red hair though ... but he was choosing her name for felicias hair for sure
@@GeorgiaDow Not before the time jump. It goes from bright pink as a teenager to red as an adult.
Funny little tid bit Vi & Jinxs hair colour are the base colours to make purple or violet what a hair mutation
V(iolet) and (Powd)er lol😅
@GeorgiaDow that's true. I was thinking it was a word for a pinker color. Violets are more purple than i was thinking
I think for me this more a brotherly friend interaction. When you are close to someone it is very normal all those ques you described. But good Georgia analysis non then less🙏
I thought the same thing. I really thought we had some kind of reveal coming after the scene in the bar.
I think that it was Silco's recklessness that forced the march on the bridge too early while Vander would have been more strategic about it, this recklessness gets many Zaunites including Vi and Powder's parent killed. Silco then wants another march on the bridges to avenge their fallen brothers and sisters of Zaun and his friend, Vander knowing that this will just get more people killed and Silco will never stop trys to kill Silco after making his deal with Grayson but Silco survives and goes into hiding during the 4-5 years that pass between that day on the bridge and when Vi,Powder,Mylo and Claggor go on that job
From what was shown later Silco is even near not reckless, he writes down his thoughts and plans, and orchestrates the future to his will
You are right about the note, it didn't make a difference. Silco said already that he had forgiven Vander for what he did, what he didnt like was that Vander had worked with the topsiders and given up on getting rights for the undercity. I thought it was clear that if the undercity was doing well Silco would have been able forgive and mend things with Vander since episode 3. The note was more about the tragedy of Vanders character and his history with everyone to build up the reuninon scene.
Georgia on a villain arc
Did you notice that jinx hair is a combination of Silco and Felicia’s hair.
I don't know how your videos don't have way more views! Incredible content, captivating and a lot of work put into them with all the costumes and breakdowns. Love your videos, keep up the amazing work!
JUMPING FOR JOY WHEN I SAW THIS 🐾
I’m definitely seeing parallels between Mel, Jayce and Victor & Felicia, Vander and Silco. This said, based on the subtext of the show Vi is definitely not Vander’s by blood
To me Vander was more of a "I speak with my fists" kinda guy and only spoke when he had to. So when the coup failed so miserably and cost him 3 friendships figuring out how to speak without violence was a big step for him. When he wrote that note to Silco he was still new at not fighting as his language so the note was the best he could muster at the time. Later on as a father he had learned to communicate better and was all about talking out every problem. A lot of that had to do with the children he and Benzo looked after but also because of him losing control with Silco he no doubt made a promise to himself that he would never lose control again and so hung up his iron mitts over the bar as a reminder of what it cost him.
Really interesting details you pick up on. How protective of Felicia Vander got as the conversation got after she sat down. Silco also got more invested just to a degree more in line with a friendship.
My interpretation is maybe Vander dated her before she got with Connol.
50/50 if it was a proper shift to frienship from then on. Or if a cute/emotional moment or two or three down the road opened up Felicia and Vander to the occasional sneaky link... Although they must be too mature for that type of tomfooling around. Right?
When the song Felicia chose that Vander knows you can feel the history, he's familiar with her dance moves. Throwing that bar cloth down like you'd affectionatly clap feeling peachy after a moving performance.
I think part of the reason the apology was a little vague was because they were trying to draw parallels to Jinx and Vi's relationship. Even having it signed just 'V'.
Was really hoping you'd touch on their relationship with the new season. Really enjoyed the video, and your point about understanding and empathy was a nice touch. Also, I suck at reading body language, so your analysis was fascinating! Thanks again this 😊
I *loved* this video! But there are a few things you missed that I feel like really elevate this whole situation just a bit more. I have two points, one being a bit more major then the other, but explains it even better.
My first point of notice is that Silco has the little hair bang, flippy-do that Jinx does. But they hide it as a reveal that Felicia has that exact same hair bang, flippy-do as Silco, just on the other side. At first this made me question if some even more weird stuff was going on with Vander as Vi's father and Silco as Jinx's father. But the more that I thought about it, and especially after watching this video, do I think that Felicia and Silco might be siblings even. Thus why even though Silco clearly cared and Felicia, her and Vander were able to form a more deep and (maybe/maybe not romantically) passionate relationship.
*The second major point I need to bring up are the flashbacks we briefly see when Singed is talking to Ambessa about Warwick!* It's heavily implied that Silco was the one who killed Felicia due to crossfire. Playing off the flashback we get later, we see Silco as always more of the strategist, more of the "no-nonsense mindset", always at work. Whereas Vander is more of that social lover. Vander is literally a bartender lol. Like, you don't get more social than that. So if we play off that scene that both Silco and Vander were willing to fight for Zaun, that is their different ways and mindsets, they fought different. Vander took a way more direct approach, literally beating enforces to death. Whereas Silco, we see in the background throw Molitov Cocktails in the back, which seemingly lead to the crossfire that killed Felicia. If Felicia and Silco are Siblings, this explains Vander's rage even more on why he attack Silco, because Silco was willing to fight for Zaun's independence so hard, that his irrational mindset caused him to kill his own sister in the process. So Vander legitimately saw killing Silco as "for the greater good" at that time.
Episode 1 - nameless thugs “so you’re Vander, Hound of the underground.”
Episode 2 - Marcus “I heard some rumours about you. You weren’t always the peacekeeper were you?”
First time I watched this scene, when it shifted from the Warwick fight to suddenly close up on Vander’s eyes, I thought, his eyes look a LOT like Vi’s. Then after watching this tragically beautiful flashback, Vi’s eyes look a whole lot like Vander’s……..
Georgia over here using cheat codes with all these body language hacks. Must be like reading Matrix code. I think she's right though. Talked myself out of it on rewatches, but on first viewing I was definitely giving Vander and Felicia the ol' sus eyes...
Its impresive how much detail the animators of Fortiche put on every character who shows affection and care in the show. Most interactions look like very nuanse relationships, characters love and body language its so detailed.
There are def intense platonic friendships out there like this, but I think Vander and Felica were having an emotional affair at best, for sure. I think it's part of the reason why they even barely show or talk about Connell despite how important family, especially father/daughter relationships are in this how. And when I first watched this scene and had that thought of them emotionally or physically together, I was like "No way, Vander would never do that!" But then man did try to kill his own brother, so I feel like cheating is lower on the totem poll of messed up lmao.
that smile squeal at 3 minutes is adorable
When Vander dished out the drinks, Silco stuck with his former drink. When they found out she was pregnant, he closed the book, reached for the celebratory drink and got closer. Initially Silco was more into his own distraction, but once important information was given - he was fully engaged.
my theories are 1. she was the one that got away/ better as friends situation 2. big bro- lil sis level of closeness . i can see it being more option 2, as even in the AU verse, when silco and vander made up, their closeness were more like brothers (imo)
No, no estás sola! Yo pensé exactamente lo mismo cuando vi esta escena. Escribí mis sospechas en otros canales de UA-cam y se lo comenté a un amigo, pero nadie pensaba lo mismo que yo. ¡Qué bueno que encontré tu video!
I do think we see a lot more of Silco's personality in this scene than his dynamic with Felicia. Silco is writing and engaging from the side because people were never his strong suit. He is the planner and is seen writing, he makes the toast to Zaun not to her family's better future. Even the bozo number 1 comment while obviously mainly playful and funny partly works because he is the idealogical leader. All that said he is clearly extremely happy to hear the news from Felicia.
Vander is a barkeep, half of his job is to talk to people and the individuals were always a huge factor in him supporting a revolution (most notably Felicia but she is probably not unique given that Vander also became the adoptive father of other children post the bridge).
It feels very possible that in grief and deflected guilt Vander's view of Silco incorrectly changes from the ideals matter more than the individuals because all of Zaun is counting on a better future, to Silco doesn't care about the individuals. Particularly when given their personalities Vander was probably more in charge of recruitment since he is the talker.
11:08 so it’s funny, you bring this up, and I’ve always hand waved it away but an ex girlfriend of mine and my now wife were pregnant at roughly the same time. When my now wife and I picked the name for our son while she was pregnant, I told my ex girlfriend (because we have always been really great friends, before and after our relationship), and about two months or so later, she revealed she is also naming her son the same name as we had named ours. I always tried to dismiss it but everyone else raises an eyebrow at that as well just as you did in this
Appears there's more to it from your ex side
@ Shhhhh! Don’t tell my wife! I’d never be able to live down her being right about that. She is still kinda bent about it 7 yrs later.
With the record it definitely a their song moment, but gets called nostalgic. They're definitely previously been lovers, before Connell who she's now seeing. But is very likely that Vanda's Vi's bio dad as well as being the dad that raises them.
Hmmm interesting
I would like to think those 3 grew up like brothers and sister. Like the relationship VI had with Milo and Clager
It's so surprising to me to learn that there's an entire "language" I've completely overlooked. I love studying pieces like this but somehow I've never thought to look into body movements to this extent. Would love to see more of it.
That bit about understanding each other was a very important part and I appreciate you mentioning it. I agree that we need more empathy in society. Thank you for this very interesting video.
I dont think the note was supposed to be vanders full apology. I think thats why it falls flat and doesnt take full accountability, the note was just supposed to get silcos attention and get him to come talk in person to reconcile in a real way.
Which is probably why in the EA they became friends again, I imagine silco found the note met up with Vander and they had a heart to heart convo where Vander presumably apologizes in a meaningful way that silco accepted and they were able to move past
I like the theory of Vander being Vi's dad. But I think he would have reacted more negatively or differently, even if just slightly, if Vander had any idea that the child could be his.
Sooo.....are we not gonna talk about how Caitlyn looks like Felicia & it's why Vi falls for her initially, as well as why Jinx hates Caitlin, immediately falsely thinking Vi replaced her because she can't remember what their mother looked like?(Jinx & Vi look like their mom)
Since we tend to fall in love with/get completely repulsed by people who remind us of our parents?
You know I was ready to call this a crack ship, but those details are really starting to convince me...
thanks = )
The whole memory with Felicia leaves me to question how Silco and Powder didn't know each other when she threw herself at him before she became Jinx. It's implied they were both a part of Felicia, Vi, and Powder's life since they were together when she got "knocked up." Was Silco pretending not to know her when he said "Hello, little girl" or am I missing something? Did the fallout between Vander and Silco happen before Vi and Powder lost their parents or after? I feel like it would make sense that the reason he actually took Powder in was because he knew who she was, and didn't want to fail Felicia if he actually did have feelings for her. If someone could explain it to me, I would appreciate it.
I had the same thought. Although it does answer how Silco knew Vi was Powder's sister when he asks her where her sister is.
The fight between Silco and Vander happened after the girls parents were killed, as Vander wasn't wearing his arm brace on the bridge. Now, it was years later when Silco adopted Powder, maybe his hatred of Vander festered?
it’s always a good day when georgia dow posts 😌 i love your analysis on these plot points, we really get a better understanding! ❤
The my biggest problem with this scene, along with the contents of letter the girls found, is that it heavily implies Silco would have known Vi and Powder during their childhood, up until Felicia's death in fact. So, why does neither Silco nor either of the girls show any sign of recognition towards each other during S1E3? Given how much care is poured into every micro-expression in this show, it really bothers me that you don't so much as get so much a pupil dilation from Vi when she sees Silco across the gantry from her.
Well for Powder, she is about 3-4 years old when the bridge incident happens. After that, Silco goes into hiding. So for Powder it would make sense not to remember him. I guess Vi remembers, but Vander must have told her about how Silco is responsible for her parents death, so to her, he is just a villain. About Silco wanting to kill Powder like she was a stranger, I am not sure tbh.
@@JasminTheDreamer It's possible to rationalise it, sure. But after the flashback scene I just can't shake the idea of how much more chilling it would have been if Silco had referred to Powder by name instead of 'little girl' in 1x03. Prior to 2x05's revelation, he's just intending to kill Vander and his found-family of orphaned street urchins which is certainly bad enough. But it's something else entirely if we were shown that he specifically knows who Powder is and yet is still intending to kill her. So then when we get to 2x05 we can fully appreciate just how far the man had fallen into darkness.
Love what you do, really. Such a nice thing to explain all our "humanity" through examples of shows. Thank you
In the scene where Vander takes Vi and Powder with him, it reasons that at least up until the Bridge battle, they would have been familiar with Silco as well, which may be why Powder attached to him so quickly after Vi hit her and walked off after Vander, Claggor, and Milo died.
What an amazing analysis, thank you.
Also, I still keep crying over this scene - and the other bar scene in the alternate world - the way I do with "Anakin Lightside Ending" stories.