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Max Tech Please also do check and tell about raw dng shots on s20 with Lightroom and Gcam in your video. Also please do let us know that which of the lens on it support raw, whether on 12MP or 108MP
Joshua Sturges Am I surprised? Yes and No, technology moves faster than what we normally expect, definitely phone photography is reaching extremely usable results however it will never overcome its limitations, both physically and mathematically, in other words once again comparing apples and pears, no matter what, one won’t be the other; mathematical approximation will never be exact measured data, good enough in most cases and highly appreciated, specially when data is too difficult or impossible to acquire, I love statistical models and how useful they can be. It is easy to selectively destroy data with superb controlled results, on the other hand it is very hard to invent data never acquired, as you found in your experiment, lens and sensor sizes and quality are the key factors, a larger pixel pitch will always better dynamic range and low light performance, as well as higher f stop diffraction limit, a bigger sensor will always achieve shallower depth of field, a bigger lens will always have better power of resolution and less defects. A DSLR will always give you a better file to work with, a phone on the other hand is the best compromise possible, no surprise that point and shoot cameras have gone the way of of the dodos.....
So sounds like all the s20 ultras photos were shot in auto mode. To your point there was an image or two that you had with the ariii that you shot in raw. I would love to see photos from the s20 in manual mode and shot in raw to see what you can do with the image.
@@annoyingguyoninternet1631 Exactly. I am not sure the Sony pro camera can offer much if the S20 was tested in Pro Mode. The tester claims to be unbiased, but I see him often exalting the Sony without much justice. That test in the dark room the S20 can smash it if the same technique as with the Sony is used. All I can see is that very soon the pro cameras will end up in the rubbish bin.
@@georgichaushev5617 i don't know if you are a photographer or not but you should see photographer said about s20 ultra before hyped it up and said that pro camera is suck 💁♂️.
@@georgichaushev5617 Personally I don't like these comparisons. Phones are made to edit the image automatically to what most people would deem acceptable. Pro cameras are made to take a raw image and for me to process it later to my liking. Pro camera pictures look good unedited but the power comes from being able to have a big sensor that can actually capture lots of light and make an image that can recover highlights and shadows. He talks about the images being blown out on the A73 but you can recover most if not all of that if you shoot raw. If you wanted a fair comparison to show you how inferior smartphone cameras are then you'd have to have the Samsung phone take 1 raw shot (unprocessed by the phone which means no image stacking for HDR) and compare it to 1 raw shot from the Sony. Sony camera will win every time. At the end of the day they are both great products but they will be used by different people. Sony camera will cost you a fortune and is a specialized device for video and photo. Samsung device will cost less and be a computer, phone, camera, and editing device. That's the power of the smartphone vs Mirrorless or DSLR. Convenience is the main advantage to a smartphone
Its funny how you guys complain that the sky is too blue on the s20 but the sky on iphone is literally navy blue and for some reason, y'all youtubers tag its pictures as "more natural"
Chris Tmg I think most people prefer iPhones because of iOS. Of course the S20 has better camera hardware but that doesn’t mean the performance is always better
So basically: Traditional Cameras: More Details, More Room for post processing Phone Cameras: Instant post processing with less details I guess for a lot of consumers, phone is good enough, for serious photographers or hobbyists, our cameras are still not going away.
Yeah there's 2 updates and the 2nd update fixes a lot of the camera issues. Even the 100x zoom quality improved. Expect the camera to improve till the end of the year.
I am very impressed by S20U .. very colsed photos with A73.. Night photo of S20 U will be better if the ISO could control in pro mode and edit the raw file...Great review ..Thanks.
Actually, no. There was a comparison between Pixel 4 and this very same professional camera, and Pixel 4 did better than even the professional camera. S20 Ultra has issues such as fringing, face smoothing, low-light performance, and others which Pixel 4 doesn't have.
OK you’re shooting in raw raw files are going to be plan on an mirrorless or DSL our camera they do that so you could pull details out of the shadows highlights and just have more data to work with
I should have tried. I did in the past and the auto HDR shot was a fair bit better than the raw because it’s stacking up to 9 images with tone mapping and Denoising etc.
@@MaxTechOfficial Adobe Lightroom CC on phone can let you shoot raw HDR (merges 3 raw files together and makes an hdr raw file) you might have to enable it under experimental features though! Thanks for making great videos like this, keep up the good work! Even though you are team Apple, I definitely feel that you are not biased at all. I actually would love to see pro camera video compared to S20 8K video, because as far as I can tell, 8K has some really good natural dynamic range and doesn't have the unnatural samsung style oversharpening and I think when downscaled to 4k, the 8k could really compete with pro camera finally.
Max please make a video of S20 ultra using its stock camera app vs 3rd party apps like Google Cam or even Filmic Pro. Samsung's stock image processing is still inconsistent in my opinion.
@@MrWhosYourDad Varies from phone to phone and Snapdragon/Exynos variants as well. For example, for Exynos S9+ there's literally just one more-or-less working version.
The fact that reviewers make stock apps the be all, end all of smartphone usage has always baffled me. But it's down to bias too, anyone with technical knowledge on phone apps knows they make the difference between phones non-existent or way better than you think.
@@benjamin7114 I''m reviewing the s20 now and third party apps do not work well with samsung phones, Filmic pro can only shoot in 4k30fps on the ultra and even then the autofocus nor the focus dials work. Ive tried the moment photo app, firstlight and ultracorder. Also, Samsung locks down the 108mp camera dn the 8k to the stock app so you can access those features with other apps even gcam
WakkaOwnages I’ll be honest with you here, I think your reply was pretty childish. I get it you don’t like iPhone but that’s no reason to belittle people that do. I use an iPhone for personal use and an S9 for work and I think they’re both great. Each OS has it’s strengths and weaknesses.
@@NM_rocker Its not that I "don't like" iPhone it's just that it's so far behind that it's crazy people still buy it. And right now I think Apple doesn't give a damn about their consumers. They kept the same iPhone frame for 3 years!! They don't give me simple options to do stuff because they think I'm dumb to do it. They don't give me free will to mess around or to use what I want. Ex: why can't I have Apple watch using another phone of my choice? Why must I stick with a phone/OS I don't like even though I like the watch? Why should I give money to them when they keep ignoring the fact that we can and want to make changes to our phones instead of having a "we know what you need" crappy attitude?
WakkaOwnages you strike me as someone who hasn’t used an iPhone much recently: yes it still has its flaws (and quite a few of them) but so does Android. There’s more flexibility in terms of customisation on Android, but Apple’s multiple device integration is second to none. Android is still playing catch-up trying to develop a consistent and fast Airdrop-style experience (9 years after Apple launched it) and other features like SMS forwarding through iCloud, Continuity, Handover...it’s not ‘so far behind’: it’s a different platform that does things completely differently, where Android is an open platform using legacy file system standards. Each has its advantages and disadvantages, and personally I love both. As for Apple not letting you use the Apple Watch with Android? The question is, why would you *want* to? The other question is, why would Apple want to? They’d have to develop and maintain an Android app solely for the purpose, and it would be hobbled in terms of its feature set compared with Android Wear devices. I think the bigger question is why there isn’t yet an Android watch that’s as good as the Apple Watch. Anyway, like what you like but don’t belittle people’s choices. Apple have contributed massively to the mobile phone space, and chances are you wouldn’t be using the same device today if it were not for them, even if you don’t personally think their platform is as good as Android. I fail to see why it matters that they have kept the same frame - who cares? If anything it’s better for the consumer as it means you can use the same screen protectors and (often) the same cases. How is that bad for the consumer?
Thanks for doing this. Your channel not only helps me to understand why smartphone reviews emphasize the camera capabilities but also how to make sense of what I'm being told about those capabilities.
The whole point with a full frame camera is to shot raw and edit! The smart phone does editing by itself! It would be more fair if you compared edited a7iii photo vs the s20, instead of comparing straight out of the camera! I own a a7iii and i have never used a single picture straight out of camera without any editing!
My phone doesn't edit by itself. I still have to go into lightroom and maybe have a decent touch up or two in another app. Machine learning hasn't gotten that advanced yet.
I wanted to give dislike when i heard the question can this phone replace my dslr-oh no it's again clickbait, but i stuck Till the end and actually the video is really good and in depth so thumbs up from me
Great video and as a professional fashion/portrait photographer for 15 years now, its exciting to see the advancements in computational photography these tech companies are making. Ive used my last few iPhones for a few portrait shoots in natural light, as well as some street photography, and they have done extremely well. A word of warning though, DO NOT shoot in portrait mode. As you can see in your shots, you lose details and get that awful "smeary" look. Shoot your portraits in standard mode and then use a brilliant app like Focos to create that depth of field. You can control every aspect of it, change your focus points, your lenses, the look of your bokeh and you can decide what you want in focus or out of focus. Its just a much cleaner look.
Thanks for the comparison! It would be also cool to see how they compare in video mode, and maybe also the camera of the regular S20 vs S20 Ultra :) Cheers!
Got my s20 ultra yesterday...got to say its lovely...brilliant pics....an upgrade from the note 8 which I love...I'm buzzing off the s20 ultra..Will get the note 20 and pass this on to the Mrs
Just purchased the S20 Ultra to replace using a camera in my work and replacing my iphone 8 that couldn't provide excellent pics. Using the S20 Ultra, I took a picture of an outside event about 1/4 mile away. Not only did the picture show the event, but the view of traffic, signs and a distant interstate overpass about 1 mile away was unbelievably crisp. Excellent smartphone camera, I'm very pleased with the Galaxy S20 Ultra
If you want to play in the big leagues, get a real camera and put away that overpriced social media device. No problem with mobile photography, I thought it was great until I stopped upgrading phones for the camera and bought the real deal. Then I realized how limited phone cameras really were. Now instead of wasting money upgrading phones, I'm expanding my lens collection and taking my hobby to a whole new level.
You cannot cheat physics and optic, it's all about post processing: s20 = A73 + Luminar. From DSLR you get real picture, from phone you get what people are liking, but it's not real. For me, I like DSLR because of momen of taking photo, look through the viewfinder and sound of shutter, it's all about emotions. With phone, technically you will get "ready to go" picture, but with a camera you create photograph.
Sure, you can cheat physics and optics. Thats why a few phones are able to do up to 4 or 5x optical zoom without moving elements in the lens. They use telescoping lenses. Google it, pretty interesting. You don't think Apple or Google, along with Sony, are capable of miniaturizing larger sensor performance into a smaller sensor? Think again. Its just a matter of time. Computational photography is the future.
I've got a S20 Ultra and during my trekking last week I used both my camera (a Fuji X-T2) and the S20 Ultra and I must say the pictures of the S20 Ultra are holding up pretty well. It's the first time I have difficulties distinguishing between pictures from both. With my previous phone (a S9) the difference is quite obvious. That being said, the computational character of the pictures of the S20 Ultra becomes obvious when pixel peeping as it lacks details and the sharpening is quite artificial. Also the dynamic range is of course very limited. But when taking pictures in normal daylight the S20 Ultra is doing a very fine job.
Every smartphone photo is technically “Photoshopped” to death (maxed saturation, sharpness, contrast, hdr...) which to an average consumer might look “better”. Whereas a real camera will give you a more neutral/natural looking photo which you could edit if you like. My choice: real camera.
On samsung phones, in camera settings, turn on RAW images. RAW images will be taken while using Promode (manual). It gets rid of lighting artifacts and some other issues in auto.
In daylight Sony is like alive. Samsung is like immitation of life. Unnatural colours, oversharpenning, all that plasticy stuff. In lowlight they are closer. Sometimes colour from the phone, especially skin tone, is better. Sony is still trying to show us some zombies in the dark. Camera is unreachable for phone.. But if you not compare it side by side everyone can use phone for casual stuff.
Great comparison & review! It really depends on what purpose of use at observer's end or what platform used. If it involves common or normal views like magazines, internet, tv, computer, smartphones, tablets or at most 5ft x 10ft, area view then Samsung S20 pics are the best to look at compared to the Sony A73 pro camera. If the pic is the size of a larger than 2 story building then better for the camera pro for better details. Samsung S20 images have the vibrant, cooler, colorful, lively but still has the quality sharpness of details if even not as 100% the same as the pro camera Sony A73. Anyway that's what the observer's liking & what mostly we're looking for to appreciate. Why, do most viewers need to zoom in to the size of a building to discuss the details? What for?
S20 Ultra is doing really well for what it is, and here, even with only a standard f/2.8 lens, it's holding up fairly okay. But if you have a camera like that, you probably also have a decent portrait lens like a 50/85mm f/1.8 or even larger aperture. When you start throwing heavier glass in front of the camera, the portraits will look VERY different, and the Ultra will be left in the dust.. (For obvious reasons.) I'm going to do a comparison of my S20 Ultra when I get it next week, and compare it with my Nikon D850 with some heavier lenses like Sigma 50 1.4 Art and Sigma 135mm 1.8 Art. I know it's a VERY unfair comparison, but I just want to see how well the Samsung holds up - it's getting closer at least, that's for sure.
As soon as cell phones can reliably do shallow depth of field with video...i’m there. I’m excited that it’s being worked on with “live focus video.” Maybe in a few years .
You are using both the cameras wrong. A7iii, you are not setting proper exposure and shooting RAW, but showing unedited. Editing is not just expected but pretty much necessary on RAW to bring out the immense dynamic range of the A7iii beast. On Samsung, you are shooting auto, which is fine, but it can do more in RAW/manual. Basically, you used both cameras to do what they don't do best.
Smartphone cameras are getting really great. They are perfect for situations where you weren't really looking to photograph but a photo opportunity arises. The S20 really looked good for that sort of situation. If you are serious about photography and want maximum image control, you are going to get far better results with a full frame mirror less camera like the A7iii you used (which is a nearly 3 year old camera, btw).
17:03 In this zoom shot S20 Ultra looks better in my opinion!. and believe me, I was expecting more perfect results from SONY A73 thank you for your informative video.
People just want the perfect picture with one click, with no manual post processing. Thinking how I used to shoot 300 pictures at a 2007 concert and end up with only 2 to showcase. Still considered it a success at that time. Anyway, good comparison in the clip. Ty.
Please also do check and tell about raw dng shots on s20 with Lightroom and Gcam in your video. Also please do let us know that which of the lens on it support raw, whether on 12MP or 108MP
I think Samsung is trying to make a smartphone a real camera ... it's great. I'm sad that DSLR is going to disappear more and more. -- sony A73(only body kit) $1,931(USD)/ Galaxy S20 Ultra $1399(USD)
@@russianhomecat3313 Camera sales continue to fall off a cliff. Cameras are quickly becoming a niche product. I say this as a professional photographer who's owned dozens of cameras. Computational photography is the future.
A little nikon 1 j5 with nikkor f1.8 make fun on shooting people to a friends mate 20 pro . We shoot a big land scape over a cliff the town under as and even there the gap was big for nikon . So what are you talking about ?????? Are my eyes lies?
On 4:05 the problem isnt that its using the main lens and its cropping. Cropping a 108mp photo isnt a prob at all especially in 2,5X as you say. You are just using the live focus that is always smothening faces in samsung phones. On iPhone for example it doesnt. If you use the normal camera you won't lose so much detail and it will have natural blur because of the big sensor.
In good light and on small screen many flagship smartphones are getting really good, really fast. I'm curious though how far you can push it... .Can you do more tests please with moving subjects, like on a wedding or event or busy street, where you have challenging low light, mixed lighting, moving subjects etc.
Thanks for this video! I'm a Realtor in Orlando, FL and have just ordered this phone; to see you say show us how good this is for real estate photography is very promising indeed. It'll be hard to get me away from my DSLR but this is very promising!
The phone is basically performing Lightroom style editing on every image taken and it’s one of the reasons why it’s losing lots of detail in the portrait photos as it’s skin smoothing gone too far. The A7iii when used correctly is so far ahead of any Smartphone camera and then combine it with GM glass and that gap widens. There is also the question in this test of what settings was used for each photo. A photo taken at F8 will have greater sharpness (entire image) than one taken at F2.8 where the focus plane is a lot smaller (intentionally).
Max surprised as well. Awesome Video.In some of the shots if you didn't point it out I would never have thought some came from the ultra. Thanks so much for sharing Deb 👌👍✌️
How about shooting some actions like running or jumping kids? Would be nice if smartphones can be a reasonable replacement for such kind of family snap shots as well.
I bought every new samsung galaxy since s3 up to s9, then I realised I was only doing that for the camera upgrades so I decided to just buy a camera and stop this constant phone switching. Now have sony a7iii and now often think to my self "what was I thinking before" there is no comparison between smartphone jpg and Sony a7iii raw in capture one
Gr8 presentation. Did you use a tripod or are all these shots hand held? Its a $1400 mobile can one buy a better camera for the same price. Pls advise.
I started the video thinking the A73 is like an a7000 or something. In the middle of the video, I checked in the amazon link, boom, an A7 III! Well, any Sony APSC 24MP camera can come close to a 24MP FF with a sharp lens but I just want to say that I was surprised that smartphones are this close, and better sometimes. There are rumors for a 1inch Samsung sensor and feel bad for traditional camera makers.
Nice comparison. To be fair you can shoot all sorts of lenses on that Sony, that would blow that Samsung out of the water even more. And that Samsung is far more portable. One thing though, I often hear you guys talk about dynamic range, but you're clearly using the term wrong. Dynamic range is the sensors ability to collect light and color data from the darkest of dark to the brightest of bright, not how much it has pushed the shadows or recovered the highlight in post production. That has little to do with the dynamic range, and all to do with the post processing algorithm of the device. The smartphone will do some sort of "intelligent" choices to what it does, while the camera will combine the exposures you set it up to capture, and try to even it all out. None of the devices will get the highlight as low as it could do, nor push the shadows as much as it could. To test the dynamic range, you need to shoot in RAW, in native ISO, and try to recover the highlight and boost the shadows, from a single image file. Full frame sensors from Sony are pushing that 15 stops of dynamic range envelope, I have no clue what that Samsung can do. My biggest issue with all smartphone captures shots are that they tend to smudge out the details (probably due to some noise canceling, and over sharpen details, which looks good when you look at the full image on a smaller screen, but rather bad when you look at it on a big screen or zoomed in.
I would love to see you doing a test on post processing with those photos you took with these two devices and see if the S20 Ultra has any chances if shot in raw?
To make fair comparisons you have to put same white balance in both cameras and take into account multiple post processes done by the Samsung. It produces more impact instantly, but if you edit the pro camera’s raw image the final version will be even more impactful. Not to mention lens selection. Big advantage of phones is convenience!
The key issue is convenience. I have 6 Cameras (mirrorless and DSLR) and it is increasingly a chore, to carry them around, when travelling. With a phone ( S20+), in my jacket pocket, I will save myself a lot of hustle.
It's not possible because of that periscopic telephoto lens. Google uses just one camera for portrait and it does better with its computational photography. Apart from edge detection, Google camera port on Samsung phones is better for portrait shots.
You mentioned you shot with studio flash. Is there anyway to shoot with off camera flash light a dslr? The portrait you mentioned a studio light I take it that was with continuous lighting and not a remot flash ?
Straight out of camera photos i go for mobile cameras but if for post processing, overall versatility and details real cameras are still thing and can't be replaced.
S20 Ultra looks good before blowing up the photo but once you look into the detail it looks blurry like most mobile cameras. Professional mode of the software doesn't look good either. ISO quality is not usable at dark mode because of the noises. I am hoping Samsung will come up with something like S4 Zoom but with better cmos sensor than 1/1.33". I heard that are working on 150 MP but if it is still a same sensor quality I will still pass. Good video review and comparison though.
Good review. I was wondering if taking pictures/videos using the 'Pro/Manual Mode' will make any difference with the S20 Ultra? I also wonder if the software update will make a significant difference too.
The update will. Pro mode gives you more control but there are numerous downsides. For example you don’t have HDR anymore just single shots so for high contrast scenes it’s much worst than using auto mode where it stacks a bunch of images and has many other tweaks.
Very informative, thank you. I’m no pro but this was an educational video. I would love for you to do a DSLR comparison with the new Xperia 1 mkII. I’ve seen some pictures on UA-cam already and the raw photos seem to look better than Samsung’s, but I would like your opinion.
I think phones closed the ga in daylight shots alone to the point that I would only go for dslrs if I'm serious about it. But in the low light situations professional cameras are still light years ahead of phones.
I assume you shot your test pictures in the standard mode (Non-PRO mode). This means the Ultra saved the pictures in HEIC format (similar to the iPhone). You should mention that the s20 Ultra, in PRO mode, creates two images: RAW + JPEG. However, when you use zoom (let's say 2x) coupled with PRO mode, you won't get identical images from the same shot. The RAW image remains at 1x zoom and the JPEG is what you saw in the camera viewfinder (2x). This to me was very disheartening. If I use the RAW image to process, I have to crop down into the image file, and thus, lose much of the captured pixels.
So bigger sensors and bigger lenses still mean better photos. Physics still apply, good. :D Can't wait to see how digital photography will evolve in the next years!
From a normal viewing distance, S20 looks impressive but when zoomed in, Sony A7III is a clear winner due to the fact that it reveals real texture while S20 looks like they were painted with oil. I definitely prefer Sony's portrait over S20 which looked very plastic and harsh. If you are worried about not getting a good shot with S20 or iPhone, don't. You'll get a fantastic shot most of the time. The Sony camera is obviously resolving more details and tones despite being only a 24MP camera, but you need to shoot them using RAW format and develop them in RAW editors. This is not what most consumers want. They want great convenience and that's what they're getting with modern smartphones.
I use Samsung phones, but trying to use focus same way as a pro camera, it is impossible, even with FilmicPro. If there was ever a wifi or cable enabled, physical focus gadget, that would make a huge difference. Current focus options render it way too difficult to control focus as in a DSLR.
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Max Tech Please also do check and tell about raw dng shots on s20 with Lightroom and Gcam in your video. Also please do let us know that which of the lens on it support raw, whether on 12MP or 108MP
Great video. I am always thinking if Sony works with Google to make a DSLR with advanced processing.....
Is it true 108MP camera ?
Or software based 108 like 12MP*9
I'm curious if the s20 has a pro mode in the camera and if so how much better then the auto or comparable it would be to the Sony
Joshua Sturges Am I surprised? Yes and No, technology moves faster than what we normally expect, definitely phone photography is reaching extremely usable results however it will never overcome its limitations, both physically and mathematically, in other words once again comparing apples and pears, no matter what, one won’t be the other; mathematical approximation will never be exact measured data, good enough in most cases and highly appreciated, specially when data is too difficult or impossible to acquire, I love statistical models and how useful they can be.
It is easy to selectively destroy data with superb controlled results, on the other hand it is very hard to invent data never acquired, as you found in your experiment, lens and sensor sizes and quality are the key factors, a larger pixel pitch will always better dynamic range and low light performance, as well as higher f stop diffraction limit, a bigger sensor will always achieve shallower depth of field, a bigger lens will always have better power of resolution and less defects.
A DSLR will always give you a better file to work with, a phone on the other hand is the best compromise possible, no surprise that point and shoot cameras have gone the way of of the dodos.....
So sounds like all the s20 ultras photos were shot in auto mode. To your point there was an image or two that you had with the ariii that you shot in raw. I would love to see photos from the s20 in manual mode and shot in raw to see what you can do with the image.
What A legend
Samsung Pro mode rematch
@@annoyingguyoninternet1631 Exactly. I am not sure the Sony pro camera can offer much if the S20 was tested in Pro Mode. The tester claims to be unbiased, but I see him often exalting the Sony without much justice. That test in the dark room the S20 can smash it if the same technique as with the Sony is used. All I can see is that very soon the pro cameras will end up in the rubbish bin.
@@georgichaushev5617 i don't know if you are a photographer or not but you should see photographer said about s20 ultra before hyped it up and said that pro camera is suck 💁♂️.
@@georgichaushev5617 Personally I don't like these comparisons. Phones are made to edit the image automatically to what most people would deem acceptable. Pro cameras are made to take a raw image and for me to process it later to my liking. Pro camera pictures look good unedited but the power comes from being able to have a big sensor that can actually capture lots of light and make an image that can recover highlights and shadows. He talks about the images being blown out on the A73 but you can recover most if not all of that if you shoot raw.
If you wanted a fair comparison to show you how inferior smartphone cameras are then you'd have to have the Samsung phone take 1 raw shot (unprocessed by the phone which means no image stacking for HDR) and compare it to 1 raw shot from the Sony. Sony camera will win every time.
At the end of the day they are both great products but they will be used by different people. Sony camera will cost you a fortune and is a specialized device for video and photo. Samsung device will cost less and be a computer, phone, camera, and editing device. That's the power of the smartphone vs Mirrorless or DSLR. Convenience is the main advantage to a smartphone
Its funny how you guys complain that the sky is too blue on the s20 but the sky on iphone is literally navy blue and for some reason, y'all youtubers tag its pictures as "more natural"
Chris Tmg I think most people prefer iPhones because of iOS. Of course the S20 has better camera hardware but that doesn’t mean the performance is always better
Coz its iphone. And youtubers you watch are american. Its just like xbox is better than playstation, an american once said.
@@will_2910 I personally do not like IOS, but I can see why people do. I just like customization.
@Films worlds Exactly. Like I do
@Films worlds No. That's my opinion. You will only think it's judgemental if you're butthurt.
So basically:
Traditional Cameras: More Details, More Room for post processing
Phone Cameras: Instant post processing with less details
I guess for a lot of consumers, phone is good enough, for serious photographers or hobbyists, our cameras are still not going away.
TPS19891225 also size of the lens can make a major difference and that will always b the physical constraint for a phone
No, the huge difference is in night shots, phone cameras simply do not have a big enough sensor to capture light as well as pro cameras
@@wendykwok samsung doesnt really care about size of the lens only sony xperia does
exactly
Theres no such thing as serious photographer using phone.
Do the test when they release the camera firmware update!
Paul Nelson exactly!!
I have the March 1st update and the autofocus isnt good
"March update" means nothing lol, that's a security update, a new update is currently rolling out and has been deployed in South Korea already.
Yeah there's 2 updates and the 2nd update fixes a lot of the camera issues. Even the 100x zoom quality improved. Expect the camera to improve till the end of the year.
There a new update coming to fix the auto focus and quality
I was blown away at the quality of images of the S20 compared to the DSLR camera. Go Samsung Go.
I am very impressed by S20U .. very colsed photos with A73.. Night photo of S20 U will be better if the ISO could control in pro mode and edit the raw file...Great review ..Thanks.
You know it has the best camera when people start comparing it to a real camera!
Well youtuber always do this even from several years ago even when the smartphone doesn't have great camera
@@OmarZ77 no one denies that but the fact that a smartphone has come so close to being a real camera is what makes the difference.
@tom lewis didn't 6s have the best camera of it's time? 😌
Actually, no. There was a comparison between Pixel 4 and this very same professional camera, and Pixel 4 did better than even the professional camera. S20 Ultra has issues such as fringing, face smoothing, low-light performance, and others which Pixel 4 doesn't have.
@@maxkho00 if you would have said iphone 11 pro max has better results in some scenarios I would have agreed. But pixel 4, nah!
OK you’re shooting in raw raw files are going to be plan on an mirrorless or DSL our camera they do that so you could pull details out of the shadows highlights and just have more data to work with
Max, please compare 4k and slow motion video qualities and dynamic range. Thanks
Great content! I would love to see how the Xperia 1 II stacks up against the traditional cameras.
It wont be very good since sony opted for 12mp small camera sensors instead of their better sensors they sell to the companies
@@CallMeRabbitzUSVI wrong... main camera has a 1:1.7" sensor...
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Absolutely! The only other phone I've somewhat considered besides the Xperia 1 II is the LG V60 ThinQ specifically for the bang for your buck appeal!
@@CallMeRabbitzUSVI funny that people now go to bigger mp eventhough mp itself didn't something fancy especially for the photographer 💁♂️
12:26 you should compared s20 ultra raw image to the sony raw shot... i knw S20 can't match but just have a try
I should have tried. I did in the past and the auto HDR shot was a fair bit better than the raw because it’s stacking up to 9 images with tone mapping and Denoising etc.
@@MaxTechOfficial any way great content keep it up👍
@@MaxTechOfficial Adobe Lightroom CC on phone can let you shoot raw HDR (merges 3 raw files together and makes an hdr raw file) you might have to enable it under experimental features though! Thanks for making great videos like this, keep up the good work! Even though you are team Apple, I definitely feel that you are not biased at all. I actually would love to see pro camera video compared to S20 8K video, because as far as I can tell, 8K has some really good natural dynamic range and doesn't have the unnatural samsung style oversharpening and I think when downscaled to 4k, the 8k could really compete with pro camera finally.
Max please make a video of S20 ultra using its stock camera app vs 3rd party apps like Google Cam or even Filmic Pro. Samsung's stock image processing is still inconsistent in my opinion.
How do you install google cam on Samsung?
@@sahanranasinghe2499 Search on UA-cam. Millions of videos are there.
@@MrWhosYourDad Varies from phone to phone and Snapdragon/Exynos variants as well. For example, for Exynos S9+ there's literally just one more-or-less working version.
The fact that reviewers make stock apps the be all, end all of smartphone usage has always baffled me. But it's down to bias too, anyone with technical knowledge on phone apps knows they make the difference between phones non-existent or way better than you think.
@@benjamin7114 I''m reviewing the s20 now and third party apps do not work well with samsung phones, Filmic pro can only shoot in 4k30fps on the ultra and even then the autofocus nor the focus dials work. Ive tried the moment photo app, firstlight and ultracorder. Also, Samsung locks down the 108mp camera dn the 8k to the stock app so you can access those features with other apps even gcam
That Samsung is amazing 😮 I’m sticking with my iPhone but I have to give mad props to Samsung
Dont worry, the iPhone 12 will beat the S20 considerably in another 6 months.
@@michaelbell75 There's no reason to buy an iPhone nowadays except for american girls to take pictures in the mirror to show the bitten apple.
WakkaOwnages I’ll be honest with you here, I think your reply was pretty childish. I get it you don’t like iPhone but that’s no reason to belittle people that do. I use an iPhone for personal use and an S9 for work and I think they’re both great. Each OS has it’s strengths and weaknesses.
@@NM_rocker Its not that I "don't like" iPhone it's just that it's so far behind that it's crazy people still buy it.
And right now I think Apple doesn't give a damn about their consumers. They kept the same iPhone frame for 3 years!! They don't give me simple options to do stuff because they think I'm dumb to do it. They don't give me free will to mess around or to use what I want. Ex: why can't I have Apple watch using another phone of my choice? Why must I stick with a phone/OS I don't like even though I like the watch? Why should I give money to them when they keep ignoring the fact that we can and want to make changes to our phones instead of having a "we know what you need" crappy attitude?
WakkaOwnages you strike me as someone who hasn’t used an iPhone much recently: yes it still has its flaws (and quite a few of them) but so does Android. There’s more flexibility in terms of customisation on Android, but Apple’s multiple device integration is second to none. Android is still playing catch-up trying to develop a consistent and fast Airdrop-style experience (9 years after Apple launched it) and other features like SMS forwarding through iCloud, Continuity, Handover...it’s not ‘so far behind’: it’s a different platform that does things completely differently, where Android is an open platform using legacy file system standards. Each has its advantages and disadvantages, and personally I love both.
As for Apple not letting you use the Apple Watch with Android? The question is, why would you *want* to? The other question is, why would Apple want to? They’d have to develop and maintain an Android app solely for the purpose, and it would be hobbled in terms of its feature set compared with Android Wear devices. I think the bigger question is why there isn’t yet an Android watch that’s as good as the Apple Watch.
Anyway, like what you like but don’t belittle people’s choices. Apple have contributed massively to the mobile phone space, and chances are you wouldn’t be using the same device today if it were not for them, even if you don’t personally think their platform is as good as Android. I fail to see why it matters that they have kept the same frame - who cares? If anything it’s better for the consumer as it means you can use the same screen protectors and (often) the same cases. How is that bad for the consumer?
Nice review and video. Balanced with much more work put into it. The Ultra did a good job matching up with the more professional camera 🙌🙌🙌
Thanks for doing this. Your channel not only helps me to understand why smartphone reviews emphasize the camera capabilities but also how to make sense of what I'm being told about those capabilities.
The whole point with a full frame camera is to shot raw and edit! The smart phone does editing by itself! It would be more fair if you compared edited a7iii photo vs the s20, instead of comparing straight out of the camera! I own a a7iii and i have never used a single picture straight out of camera without any editing!
My phone doesn't edit by itself. I still have to go into lightroom and maybe have a decent touch up or two in another app. Machine learning hasn't gotten that advanced yet.
I wanted to give dislike when i heard the question can this phone replace my dslr-oh no it's again clickbait, but i stuck Till the end and actually the video is really good and in depth so thumbs up from me
This phone is amizing 😮😦 !!!!
S20u OR 11 pro max 🤔🤔🤔🤔
Me s20 ultra✅
Agreed 🤝 s20 Ultra 👌
S20 Ultra 👍
Because it is more expensive. By a lot.
@@MindaugasSnegirevas Samsung is Best 100%
@@Allworldsk1 Shut it fanboy, go take a credit for a stove. It costs 1600$
Amazing performance of a smart phone in comparison to a pro camera
Man, this is the content that I like. Really interesting.
Great video and as a professional fashion/portrait photographer for 15 years now, its exciting to see the advancements in computational photography these tech companies are making. Ive used my last few iPhones for a few portrait shoots in natural light, as well as some street photography, and they have done extremely well. A word of warning though, DO NOT shoot in portrait mode. As you can see in your shots, you lose details and get that awful "smeary" look. Shoot your portraits in standard mode and then use a brilliant app like Focos to create that depth of field. You can control every aspect of it, change your focus points, your lenses, the look of your bokeh and you can decide what you want in focus or out of focus. Its just a much cleaner look.
Thanks for the comparison! It would be also cool to see how they compare in video mode, and maybe also the camera of the regular S20 vs S20 Ultra :) Cheers!
Got my s20 ultra yesterday...got to say its lovely...brilliant pics....an upgrade from the note 8 which I love...I'm buzzing off the s20 ultra..Will get the note 20 and pass this on to the Mrs
Just purchased the S20 Ultra to replace using a camera in my work and replacing my iphone 8 that couldn't provide excellent pics. Using the S20 Ultra, I took a picture of an outside event about 1/4 mile away. Not only did the picture show the event, but the view of traffic, signs and a distant interstate overpass about 1 mile away was unbelievably crisp. Excellent smartphone camera, I'm very pleased with the Galaxy S20 Ultra
The thing these camera can't simulate is what different lens lengths can do in terms of fisheye to telephoto compression
ALL GOOD STUFF MAX!!!. I bought this phone yesterday [and Love it] and your Videos are Super Great!!!
If you want to play in the big leagues, get a real camera and put away that overpriced social media device. No problem with mobile photography, I thought it was great until I stopped upgrading phones for the camera and bought the real deal. Then I realized how limited phone cameras really were. Now instead of wasting money upgrading phones, I'm expanding my lens collection and taking my hobby to a whole new level.
I agree with others. The phone is doing what we do in post instantly. Do the same comparison but edit the a7iii.
You cannot cheat physics and optic, it's all about post processing: s20 = A73 + Luminar. From DSLR you get real picture, from phone you get what people are liking, but it's not real. For me, I like DSLR because of momen of taking photo, look through the viewfinder and sound of shutter, it's all about emotions. With phone, technically you will get "ready to go" picture, but with a camera you create photograph.
Sure, you can cheat physics and optics. Thats why a few phones are able to do up to 4 or 5x optical zoom without moving elements in the lens. They use telescoping lenses. Google it, pretty interesting. You don't think Apple or Google, along with Sony, are capable of miniaturizing larger sensor performance into a smaller sensor? Think again. Its just a matter of time. Computational photography is the future.
I've got a S20 Ultra and during my trekking last week I used both my camera (a Fuji X-T2) and the S20 Ultra and I must say the pictures of the S20 Ultra are holding up pretty well. It's the first time I have difficulties distinguishing between pictures from both. With my previous phone (a S9) the difference is quite obvious. That being said, the computational character of the pictures of the S20 Ultra becomes obvious when pixel peeping as it lacks details and the sharpening is quite artificial. Also the dynamic range is of course very limited. But when taking pictures in normal daylight the S20 Ultra is doing a very fine job.
Every smartphone photo is technically “Photoshopped” to death (maxed saturation, sharpness, contrast, hdr...) which to an average consumer might look “better”.
Whereas a real camera will give you a more neutral/natural looking photo which you could edit if you like.
My choice: real camera.
I don't think so.
Cant wait for my ultra...got to say i loved the s20 ultras pics better...superb vid
S20 plus takes better pictures, also better night mode pics
On the telephoto portion, why not use a tele lens?
Watching this in Lock down here in the UK. Great information much appreciated.
On samsung phones, in camera settings, turn on RAW images. RAW images will be taken while using Promode (manual). It gets rid of lighting artifacts and some other issues in auto.
In daylight Sony is like alive. Samsung is like immitation of life. Unnatural colours, oversharpenning, all that plasticy stuff. In lowlight they are closer. Sometimes colour from the phone, especially skin tone, is better. Sony is still trying to show us some zombies in the dark.
Camera is unreachable for phone.. But if you not compare it side by side everyone can use phone for casual stuff.
Are you looking at the same pictures that we are? Your analysis seems a bit off lol
Great comparison & review!
It really depends on what purpose of use at observer's end or what platform used.
If it involves common or normal views like magazines, internet, tv, computer, smartphones, tablets or at most 5ft x 10ft, area view then Samsung S20 pics are the best to look at compared to the Sony A73 pro camera. If the pic is the size of a larger than 2 story building then better for the camera pro for better details. Samsung S20 images have the vibrant, cooler, colorful, lively but still has the quality sharpness of details if even not as 100% the same as the pro camera Sony A73. Anyway that's what the observer's liking & what mostly we're looking for to appreciate. Why, do most viewers need to zoom in to the size of a building to discuss the details? What for?
S20 Ultra is doing really well for what it is, and here, even with only a standard f/2.8 lens, it's holding up fairly okay. But if you have a camera like that, you probably also have a decent portrait lens like a 50/85mm f/1.8 or even larger aperture. When you start throwing heavier glass in front of the camera, the portraits will look VERY different, and the Ultra will be left in the dust.. (For obvious reasons.)
I'm going to do a comparison of my S20 Ultra when I get it next week, and compare it with my Nikon D850 with some heavier lenses like Sigma 50 1.4 Art and Sigma 135mm 1.8 Art. I know it's a VERY unfair comparison, but I just want to see how well the Samsung holds up - it's getting closer at least, that's for sure.
As soon as cell phones can reliably do shallow depth of field with video...i’m there. I’m excited that it’s being worked on with “live focus video.” Maybe in a few years .
You are using both the cameras wrong. A7iii, you are not setting proper exposure and shooting RAW, but showing unedited. Editing is not just expected but pretty much necessary on RAW to bring out the immense dynamic range of the A7iii beast. On Samsung, you are shooting auto, which is fine, but it can do more in RAW/manual. Basically, you used both cameras to do what they don't do best.
It's kinda just the Note 10 with a GoPro glued to the back
Smartphone cameras are getting really great. They are perfect for situations where you weren't really looking to photograph but a photo opportunity arises. The S20 really looked good for that sort of situation.
If you are serious about photography and want maximum image control, you are going to get far better results with a full frame mirror less camera like the A7iii you used (which is a nearly 3 year old camera, btw).
17:03 In this zoom shot S20 Ultra looks better in my opinion!. and believe me, I was expecting more perfect results from SONY A73 thank you for your informative video.
People just want the perfect picture with one click, with no manual post processing. Thinking how I used to shoot 300 pictures at a 2007 concert and end up with only 2 to showcase. Still considered it a success at that time. Anyway, good comparison in the clip. Ty.
Honestly, in every scenario, even with the crop in the A7iii... The A7iii still blows it out of the water efortlessly
U must note down which photo is most real if compared with human eye
On the spot of photography
I'd liked to see that "raw vs raw"
Please also do check and tell about raw dng shots on s20 with Lightroom and Gcam in your video. Also please do let us know that which of the lens on it support raw, whether on 12MP or 108MP
Great video. It's incredible that we can get pictures like those with a phone.
I pick Samsung for all these pictures
I think Samsung is trying to make a smartphone a real camera ... it's great.
I'm sad that DSLR is going to disappear more and more. --
sony A73(only body kit) $1,931(USD)/ Galaxy S20 Ultra $1399(USD)
김대복 don't worry. Phone shots are nowhere near Dslr pictures. Optics can't be cheated.
@@russianhomecat3313 Camera sales continue to fall off a cliff. Cameras are quickly becoming a niche product. I say this as a professional photographer who's owned dozens of cameras. Computational photography is the future.
Michael Bell as to me camera has always beeb a niche product. Mobile photography is a different thing.
A little nikon 1 j5 with nikkor f1.8 make fun on shooting people to a friends mate 20 pro .
We shoot a big land scape over a cliff the town under as and even there the gap was big for nikon .
So what are you talking about ??????
Are my eyes lies?
When took shot with Sony. Clouds covered the sun.
On 4:05 the problem isnt that its using the main lens and its cropping. Cropping a 108mp photo isnt a prob at all especially in 2,5X as you say. You are just using the live focus that is always smothening faces in samsung phones. On iPhone for example it doesnt. If you use the normal camera you won't lose so much detail and it will have natural blur because of the big sensor.
In good light and on small screen many flagship smartphones are getting really good, really fast. I'm curious though how far you can push it... .Can you do more tests please with moving subjects, like on a wedding or event or busy street, where you have challenging low light, mixed lighting, moving subjects etc.
You should compare the DSLR to both the 108MP mode as well as the pixel stacked 12MP mode. Like two different cameras.
Thanks for this video! I'm a Realtor in Orlando, FL and have just ordered this phone; to see you say show us how good this is for real estate photography is very promising indeed. It'll be hard to get me away from my DSLR but this is very promising!
Off topic: check whoever does your audio cleaning because there is a hiss, I suspect around the 4 - 8k Hz that is super noticable and sounds weird.
Is that Spokane? I've been there 5 years ago, cool place. Now I'm back in Brazil. Good video man, cheers
The phone is basically performing Lightroom style editing on every image taken and it’s one of the reasons why it’s losing lots of detail in the portrait photos as it’s skin smoothing gone too far.
The A7iii when used correctly is so far ahead of any Smartphone camera and then combine it with GM glass and that gap widens. There is also the question in this test of what settings was used for each photo. A photo taken at F8 will have greater sharpness (entire image) than one taken at F2.8 where the focus plane is a lot smaller (intentionally).
This was the comment i was looking for
@@kevintran1505 Well Kevin, Im glad you found it!
One comparision is missing ;) Portrait (i.e. a person) in low light. Thanks any way!
Max surprised as well. Awesome Video.In some of the shots if you didn't point it out I would never have thought some came from the ultra. Thanks so much for sharing Deb 👌👍✌️
Awesome comparison s20 ultra is an amazing phone. I cant believe it can be mentioned alongside a pro camera!
How about shooting some actions like running or jumping kids? Would be nice if smartphones can be a reasonable replacement for such kind of family snap shots as well.
12:30 - 12:41 of course it's edited ☺️
I bought every new samsung galaxy since s3 up to s9, then I realised I was only doing that for the camera upgrades so I decided to just buy a camera and stop this constant phone switching.
Now have sony a7iii and now often think to my self "what was I thinking before" there is no comparison between smartphone jpg and Sony a7iii raw in capture one
At 3:00 minutes, "It still stacks up surprisingly good"? Ehhh.. I'll accept that perhaps we see things very differently. Cheers.
Gr8 presentation. Did you use a tripod or are all these shots hand held? Its a $1400 mobile can one buy a better camera for the same price. Pls advise.
Good video. I wondered myself how some of these newer cell phone cameras did against traditional camera types.
Crazy to think that software can enhanced the photos with out editing them much. At this rate cameras will eventually need to up the game
i like the pics from the camera more. i prefer what you see is what you get, not color enhanced like on the Samsung.
I started the video thinking the A73 is like an a7000 or something. In the middle of the video, I checked in the amazon link, boom, an A7 III! Well, any Sony APSC 24MP camera can come close to a 24MP FF with a sharp lens but I just want to say that I was surprised that smartphones are this close, and better sometimes. There are rumors for a 1inch Samsung sensor and feel bad for traditional camera makers.
I like the shots of the A73 more. But considering the other shots coming from a mobile phone, they are really impressive
Nice comparison. To be fair you can shoot all sorts of lenses on that Sony, that would blow that Samsung out of the water even more. And that Samsung is far more portable. One thing though, I often hear you guys talk about dynamic range, but you're clearly using the term wrong. Dynamic range is the sensors ability to collect light and color data from the darkest of dark to the brightest of bright, not how much it has pushed the shadows or recovered the highlight in post production. That has little to do with the dynamic range, and all to do with the post processing algorithm of the device. The smartphone will do some sort of "intelligent" choices to what it does, while the camera will combine the exposures you set it up to capture, and try to even it all out. None of the devices will get the highlight as low as it could do, nor push the shadows as much as it could. To test the dynamic range, you need to shoot in RAW, in native ISO, and try to recover the highlight and boost the shadows, from a single image file. Full frame sensors from Sony are pushing that 15 stops of dynamic range envelope, I have no clue what that Samsung can do.
My biggest issue with all smartphone captures shots are that they tend to smudge out the details (probably due to some noise canceling, and over sharpen details, which looks good when you look at the full image on a smaller screen, but rather bad when you look at it on a big screen or zoomed in.
I would love to see you doing a test on post processing with those photos you took with these two devices and see if the S20 Ultra has any chances if shot in raw?
To make fair comparisons you have to put same white balance in both cameras and take into account multiple post processes done by the Samsung. It produces more impact instantly, but if you edit the pro camera’s raw image the final version will be even more impactful. Not to mention lens selection. Big advantage of phones is convenience!
Im the third view! Love your content man!
Any plans on doing a video comparison?
The key issue is convenience. I have 6 Cameras (mirrorless and DSLR) and it is increasingly a chore, to carry them around, when travelling. With a phone ( S20+), in my jacket pocket, I will save myself a lot of hustle.
I like phone cameras because they’re not so complicated while the camera is simple on an iPhone or an Android phone.
Awesome!
Wished y would've used pro mode on s20 aswell just to see how capable it really is
I tried and the results are worse in many cases as you can’t do hdr with it.
Yea samsung has some camera work to do, hopefully it can be fixed by software, I do hope they use the telephoto lens for portrait modes tho
It's not possible because of that periscopic telephoto lens. Google uses just one camera for portrait and it does better with its computational photography. Apart from edge detection, Google camera port on Samsung phones is better for portrait shots.
@@vervetech9395 gotta try to port Google's camera app then.
S20 ultra is impressive there is no doubt about it
Should you take pics in horizontal or vertical on your phone? Or does it even matter?
9:33 There is actually more detail on the face on the S20 than on the A73 which is blurred a bit.
candysell no, it’s oversharpness
You mentioned you shot with studio flash. Is there anyway to shoot with off camera flash light a dslr? The portrait you mentioned a studio light I take it that was with continuous lighting and not a remot flash ?
S20 Kick ass any phone now
Yea phones compete with other phones not full cams i dont know how people dont get this
Since you playing with the settings on the Sony and putting deferent lenses on etc ...you didn't once try the pro mode on the ultra ?
Nope.
One of my favorite videos
Thanks man
Straight out of camera photos i go for mobile cameras but if for post processing, overall versatility and details real cameras are still thing and can't be replaced.
Put your professional camera in your pocket and go to shot anytime anywhere... Best camera is this which you have in the right moment. ;)
S20 Ultra looks good before blowing up the photo but once you look into the detail it looks blurry like most mobile cameras. Professional mode of the software doesn't look good either. ISO quality is not usable at dark mode because of the noises. I am hoping Samsung will come up with something like S4 Zoom but with better cmos sensor than 1/1.33". I heard that are working on 150 MP but if it is still a same sensor quality I will still pass. Good video review and comparison though.
Good review. I was wondering if taking pictures/videos using the 'Pro/Manual Mode' will make any difference with the S20 Ultra? I also wonder if the software update will make a significant difference too.
The update will. Pro mode gives you more control but there are numerous downsides. For example you don’t have HDR anymore just single shots so for high contrast scenes it’s much worst than using auto mode where it stacks a bunch of images and has many other tweaks.
@@MaxTechOfficial I see... Would taking pictures in RAW make up for the lack HDR?
Very informative, thank you. I’m no pro but this was an educational video. I would love for you to do a DSLR comparison with the new Xperia 1 mkII. I’ve seen some pictures on UA-cam already and the raw photos seem to look better than Samsung’s, but I would like your opinion.
I think phones closed the ga in daylight shots alone to the point that I would only go for dslrs if I'm serious about it. But in the low light situations professional cameras are still light years ahead of phones.
I assume you shot your test pictures in the standard mode (Non-PRO mode). This means the Ultra saved the pictures in HEIC format (similar to the iPhone). You should mention that the s20 Ultra, in PRO mode, creates two images: RAW + JPEG. However, when you use zoom (let's say 2x) coupled with PRO mode, you won't get identical images from the same shot. The RAW image remains at 1x zoom and the JPEG is what you saw in the camera viewfinder (2x). This to me was very disheartening. If I use the RAW image to process, I have to crop down into the image file, and thus, lose much of the captured pixels.
So bigger sensors and bigger lenses still mean better photos. Physics still apply, good. :D Can't wait to see how digital photography will evolve in the next years!
From a normal viewing distance, S20 looks impressive but when zoomed in, Sony A7III is a clear winner due to the fact that it reveals real texture while S20 looks like they were painted with oil. I definitely prefer Sony's portrait over S20 which looked very plastic and harsh. If you are worried about not getting a good shot with S20 or iPhone, don't. You'll get a fantastic shot most of the time. The Sony camera is obviously resolving more details and tones despite being only a 24MP camera, but you need to shoot them using RAW format and develop them in RAW editors. This is not what most consumers want. They want great convenience and that's what they're getting with modern smartphones.
I use Samsung phones, but trying to use focus same way as a pro camera, it is impossible, even with FilmicPro. If there was ever a wifi or cable enabled, physical focus gadget, that would make a huge difference. Current focus options render it way too difficult to control focus as in a DSLR.