I have to say, you're making a believer out of me about track saws. I'm still a nube with woodworking, and I had a kickback event happen, nothing serious, and I've not returned to it yet. Seeing you do more than I thought you could do with a track, I'm going to return to woodworking! Thank you. I know making videos can seem fruitless to you, but videos actual change peoples' lives. Thank you for your work, time, and instructions!
The one thing that makes your videos a must watch for me . Is that you aren't hiding your mistakes and you do things the simple way.. and luckily your video came with salary at the same time. 😀
Is it just me or am I the only one just now noticing new TEETH!? ! 4:02 is much different than today's video. Looks great by the way. Kudos! and Cheers!
No, you’re definitely not the only one to notice! The visible teeth are just the tip of a (very large and ongoing) dentistry iceberg! And thanks - still a work in progress! 👍
I know it's only a cabinet and some drawers but so many useful tips and ideas for me as a newbie here. The stop on the MFT for the waste-side cuts for the draw runners ... soooo obvious when you see it but never would have thought of it. Cutting all 4 drawer components at once .... why not?! And the loose tenon jig ... great stuff! Thanks very much Peter.
It’s only shop furniture etc but I think this set up you have is really attractive! The birch ply against the coloured MDF really pops! And why not make your workplace look good! Another excellent video. Thank you.
Great video and build Peter with some good time saving and added accuracy tips. Respect too for sharing your mistake as well. An old friend always says "Its not the mistakes you make that matter but how well you get over them!" Thanks again
I love the simplicity but still the persecution ness of it and your honesty on how easy to make a simple mistake and tell us about it. well all make mistakes!! Respect to skill and honesty .😉
The purple MDF looks really nice. And regarding the mis-measurement, someone once told me that everyone makes mistakes. But the craftsmanship is in the recovery. Well done. Showing something like that is very helpful.
I always loved to see your videos for its instructional quality. Besides that you are smiling all the way through the project, even if you make a mistake, really wonderful. Keep on educating us on many aspects of life.
Thanks for the video Peter. I've had plywood on my mind all week as opposed to MDF, so glad you showed this build. Time for me to start ripping some birch ply sheets and get building!
Excellent job. Thank you. When I was training at Rycotewood College we had Ernest Joyce's Technique of Furniture Making as our manual. Always stuck to that since..
You say you needed to fit packers in the back to overcome a slight miscalculation with the rebate with the drawer fronts... But I think sub consciously you meant to do it to allow a little air flow at the back of the unit! ;) hehehe They look really good, and I love that style of handle, no daft knobs or anything to come off in your hand or get knocked off, just... plain and simple! :)
Hi Peter, BIG fan of your videos, my kind of woodwork, does the job, strong enough, looks the part, and you include the occasional ‘’’Not quite to plan bits’’ which are far fewer than mine😏 Would LUV it if I could see the finishes and glues etc, you use, save me stopping the videos, and zooming to TRY and identify the tins and containers.Thanks for the inspiration to have a go. Kindest Regards
Thanks Tony! Honestly, I try not to promote the finishes and glues too much, because I’ve used all kinds and with very few exceptions, never really found much to choose between them. The fast grab ova is by maxitek, but I happily used polyvine for years, just happened to be five the maxitek. And same goes for the wax finish; this is black bison paste wax from Liberon, but I’ve always used their beeswax previously. No real reason for any of it, it’s just what I happen to have. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop assume runners short at front to allow fronts to recess flush with front of cabinet ……….picked that up from your earlier videos back when Obi Kinobi👍
Here in France at the moment it’s either feed the kids or buy a sheet of birch plywood so I’m envious of your grey on birch design. What should be simple, freely available sheet goods coming together really nicely.
I work in a joinery factory, and we partly use our Homag CNC machine to do all the holes for cabinets in kitchens for example, and we do an 8mm hole in the side, and an 8.5mm hole in the edge like you do on your tenon jig as like you say it gives just enough movement for that variation you may get. 👍
That grey MDF looks really great - and, YES to fitting a plinth (all round!) to save scrabbling for the thing you drop on the floor that then rolls under the cabinet! Interestingly Tomas over at Casual DIY was reviewing a Domino type router jig today - not cheap but looks well made . . worth a look. I shall wait for the plywood model.
@@10MinuteWorkshop I have used that same jig, it has issues for sure weight being one of them and depth movement, as a simple solution I'm waiting on your jig, I like the pin solution, I wonder where I have seen that before.... any idea how long for your jig
Great video and inspiration for a cabinet with wheels that I intend to build as an extension for my homemade MFT with trestles. Wish me luck! Fingers crossed
I just so happen to be moving into a shop space. Small (ish) space as it is, I am undescribably thankful for for it. In preparation for this monumental moment I have done gobs of research on different shop build outs. Many, many youtube videos watched. Your channel being one of my favorites, for sure. And quite timely that you're upgrading and producing videos on the subject. I will be following suit in some of your design. I'm an old carpenter, mainly specializing in remodels/additions/etc... The dream of my own shop has been there a long time. I have to say I appreciate your videos very much. They quite inspire me. Inform, educate, and entertain. As you say, always an opportunity to learn, make mistakes, recover from said mistakes...it's all part of the enjoyment of this trade. Be well, and thanks! Until your next video, Cheers!
Hi Peter, I have been a subscriber of your channel for quite a while now and you have always produced great looking and well made products. However, your abilities to break the process down and demonstrate how easily we can also achieve similiar results really is fantastic. Every time I watch your channel I come away with an increase in knowledge and the confidence to just give it a go. If you were to produce a book for newbies on ´The ten minute approach to wood working or cabinet making´I have a funny feeling that it would sell in large quantities.
Belting vid as always, with for me the added bonus of helping me make my mind up, as to the drawer fronts on a small Belfast Sink Base Unit with 350mm wide drawers to one side. I've been fortunate to have rescued some ply from a neighbours project, saved the drawers from an old melamine set of drawers that just need resizing and new natural looking fronts. Trouble is I'll have to ban myself from UA-cam, to many ideas about.. 😉😄
Hi Peter! I’m just a DIY-er, carpentry was probably my next job to choose in life if I wasn’t an electrician. I really like you videos as I stated numerous times. I’m even thinking opening a home shop at some point building stuff for my house. I find carpentry very relaxing. One thing I found very hard even in my field of job at begging was how to price up jobs. Can you show maybe in one of your future videos how to do that. I guess that will be a good lesson for newbies and probably for clients not to get ripped off Thanks!!!!
Thank you! It’s been a while, but I did a couple of videos on it way back - Pricing up a job P1 here - ua-cam.com/video/4E0bfyJwIoU/v-deo.html Day Rates and the Cost Of Doing Business, P1 here - ua-cam.com/video/iDx0Nz_OT-o/v-deo.html They may help! 👍👍
I can't wait to throw some money at you for your loose tenon jig, Peter. I tried to make something myself and frankly, it was rubbish 😂 Lovely looking cabinet too; the grey MDF is really nice 👍
I'll be after that loose tenon jig! As long as you get out before Sept 2022 when I plan to buy a Domino, the pressure's on Peter! If ever a project could be defined as 'busman's holiday' it's P. Millard Esq and making a cabinet!
Brilliant as always , thanks Peter, looks great and good to see someone paying such detail to workshop cabinets, thanks again stay safe and well , cheers
Regarding the packers to stop the drawers from entering too far... I'm surprised you put them on top of the slides vs. below them. I feel like in my case (due to a lack of decent dust collection) dust would collect there over time and force the drawers to start poking out a bit. Since you are pro level and gave very good dust mitigation practice, probably not a concern. Another great video.
I feel like the front rails would of looked better in the grey mdf to split the ply up a bit (in my opinion) but looks awesome as is and definitely need a plywood plinth 100% great video 👍
Crackin little build Peter. Love the loose tenon jig, gotta make me one.Plus i think i'll have to invest in a track saw at some point.Love your set up,all the best.
I have to say I'm enjoying these slightly longer videos Peter. Nice to see a glimpse of the loose tennon jig it looks like a nice step up from mk1. I agree with you about the Birch ply plinth, I think it will set it of with the drawer fronts.
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks Peter. I have been meaning to do it for weeks. Some health issues are limiting my workshop activity at the moment so i have been revisiting your back catalogue to keep me entertained ! Keep up the excellent work.
Last year, I bought a 25mm brad nailer. I think that was a mistake, as it doesn't really shoot 25mm brads very well, but if I drop down to 18mm brads then I have to rebate to make housing joints in 18mm stock, otherwise they're too short. I should have gone for the 32mm version. It was only cheap though, so no real loss.
For your "kick plate" or plinth, if you make it out of the dark grey MDF and it sets back a bit, it will look like the drawer unit is floating since it will be the colour of a shadow. (I like the birch ply also, just going for a cool effect for extra credit :^) ).
Agree. And, a dark plinth less likely to show scuff marks from the toes of your black soled shoes, Peter, regardless of waxing. Given the proximity to so much dust, I thought a closed back would be preferable. time will tell. thank you for another fine vid.
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I have to say, you're making a believer out of me about track saws. I'm still a nube with woodworking, and I had a kickback event happen, nothing serious, and I've not returned to it yet. Seeing you do more than I thought you could do with a track, I'm going to return to woodworking! Thank you. I know making videos can seem fruitless to you, but videos actual change peoples' lives. Thank you for your work, time, and instructions!
Thank you! 🙌👍
The one thing that makes your videos a must watch for me . Is that you aren't hiding your mistakes and you do things the simple way.. and luckily your video came with salary at the same time. 😀
Sharing your mistakes is as valuable as your 'making of'. Great job !!
Is it just me or am I the only one just now noticing new TEETH!? ! 4:02 is much different than today's video. Looks great by the way. Kudos! and Cheers!
No, you’re definitely not the only one to notice! The visible teeth are just the tip of a (very large and ongoing) dentistry iceberg! And thanks - still a work in progress! 👍
I know it's only a cabinet and some drawers but so many useful tips and ideas for me as a newbie here. The stop on the MFT for the waste-side cuts for the draw runners ... soooo obvious when you see it but never would have thought of it. Cutting all 4 drawer components at once .... why not?! And the loose tenon jig ... great stuff! Thanks very much Peter.
Thanks Alistair! 👍
The contrasting colours look great.
Thanks Andy! 👍
Agreed, those colours looks great. May be worth adding the same colours into the wall cabinets to pull it all together
Great back to old days, Life hasn't been the same without you knocking domino's in in high speed LOL
Haha, thanks! 👍 😂
It’s only shop furniture etc but I think this set up you have is really attractive! The birch ply against the coloured MDF really pops!
And why not make your workplace look good! Another excellent video. Thank you.
Thank you! That was my thinking as well. 👍👍
The loose tennon jig is 100% going in my basket when there available! You Peter a a professor in your profession! Hats off to you mate.
Thank you! 👍
I particularly love how the rebated front faces of the draws fit perfectly, and the colour contrast on the whole project is pleasing to the eye.
Thank you! 👍
very nice and simple really, the woodworking world has gone a bit crazy, oversell and complex when things can be so simple.
Great video and build Peter with some good time saving and added accuracy tips. Respect too for sharing your mistake as well. An old friend always says "Its not the mistakes you make that matter but how well you get over them!" Thanks again
I love the simplicity but still the persecution ness of it and your honesty on how easy to make a simple mistake and tell us about it. well all make mistakes!!
Respect to skill and honesty .😉
Yes for the birch kicker. Great video and narrative! Thank you for posting, alway good :^)
The purple MDF looks really nice. And regarding the mis-measurement, someone once told me that everyone makes mistakes. But the craftsmanship is in the recovery. Well done. Showing something like that is very helpful.
Thanks! Every day's a school day, right? 👍
Couldn’t agree more. It’s hard to complete a project without making a mistake - or is that just me!
As always, thank you so much for all the great tips. You make everything look so simple and understandable.
Thank you! 🙌
Nice to see I'm not the only "lash-up" officionado Peter! Well bodged!😜👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍👍😁😁😁😁
Cheers Alan! 👍
I always loved to see your videos for its instructional quality. Besides that you are smiling all the way through the project, even if you make a mistake, really wonderful. Keep on educating us on many aspects of life.
Thank you very much! 👍
Laci rak yang istimewa 👍
Terima kasih! Doa terbaik dari London. 👍
Thanks for the video Peter. I've had plywood on my mind all week as opposed to MDF, so glad you showed this build. Time for me to start ripping some birch ply sheets and get building!
I have never seen colored MDF in the US. Darn. Birch ply for the toe kick. Looks great.
Like the contrast 👍
I really like that loose tenon jig - I could definitely see me using that!
This has the modern wow look !! It looks faboulous.
Thanks Frits! Yes, pleased with how this one turned out. More to come! 👍
Really like the look of this Pete 👌
Cheers Dan! 👍
"learning to hide them" is the first lesson I learned
😂👍
Beautifully simplistic = quality as usual Peter 👌🏼😁
Thank you! 🙌👍
Really like that MDF. Never seen pre-colored MDF here in the USA.
Can't wait for the loose tenon jig to come out Peter. Plus I think the burch ply for the skirt/kickboard would really finish the cabinet off.
Thanks! 🙌👍
Excellent job. Thank you.
When I was training at Rycotewood College we had Ernest Joyce's Technique of Furniture Making as our manual. Always stuck to that since..
Your work flow is so good. Thanks
Very nice drawers unit Peter, the contrast between the birch ply and the grey mdf looks lovely!
Thanks Dawn! 👍
On point again, love it!
Nice video :D I am jumping on that jig as soon as they are ready :D
Thanks Goran! It’s coming! 👍👍
You say you needed to fit packers in the back to overcome a slight miscalculation with the rebate with the drawer fronts... But I think sub consciously you meant to do it to allow a little air flow at the back of the unit! ;) hehehe
They look really good, and I love that style of handle, no daft knobs or anything to come off in your hand or get knocked off, just... plain and simple! :)
Inspirational as usual. Thanks
As always, a really good video. I really like the look (and use) of the loose tenon jig... and of course the cabinet! Thanks
The tenonjigg looks good. Locking forward to see the it on sale.
Looks very tidy with the grey and the birch contrast mate. Lovely. I wouldn't mind that as a desk let alone a workshop bench! hehe
Thanks Stew! And there’s no reason why workshop furniture can’t be nice, eh? 😆👍👍
Count me in a as a customer for the LTJ when they’re ready. Top stuff
Hi Peter, BIG fan of your videos, my kind of woodwork, does the job, strong enough, looks the part, and you include the occasional ‘’’Not quite to plan bits’’ which are far fewer than mine😏
Would LUV it if I could see the finishes and glues etc, you use, save me stopping the videos, and zooming to TRY and identify the tins and containers.Thanks for the inspiration to have a go. Kindest Regards
Thanks Tony! Honestly, I try not to promote the finishes and glues too much, because I’ve used all kinds and with very few exceptions, never really found much to choose between them. The fast grab ova is by maxitek, but I happily used polyvine for years, just happened to be five the maxitek. And same goes for the wax finish; this is black bison paste wax from Liberon, but I’ve always used their beeswax previously. No real reason for any of it, it’s just what I happen to have. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop assume runners short at front to allow fronts to recess flush with front of cabinet ……….picked that up from your earlier videos back when Obi Kinobi👍
Great video, thanks. Really looking forward to the loose tenoning jig release!
Thank you! It’s coming..! 👍
A great build. It looks really nice and a great method for building a cabinet with drawers.
Thank you! 🙌
Very nice!💜
Here in France at the moment it’s either feed the kids or buy a sheet of birch plywood so I’m envious of your grey on birch design. What should be simple, freely available sheet goods coming together really nicely.
It’s crazy money here too! 🤷♂️👍
I like the way you think it’s Minor mistake you can put a bumper at the back
I work in a joinery factory, and we partly use our Homag CNC machine to do all the holes for cabinets in kitchens for example, and we do an 8mm hole in the side, and an 8.5mm hole in the edge like you do on your tenon jig as like you say it gives just enough movement for that variation you may get. 👍
Never too long Peter👍
Thanks Craig! 👍
Great job 👍
Brilliant camera work!
oh excellent, looking forward to this loose tenon jig, a lot cheaper than a domino :P
Well, I wouldn't say a *lot* cheaper... 😯 😂 😂
Nice build. I'm glad I'm not the only one that makes mistakes...🤘🤘
Looking forward seeing the final revision of the jig.
Could be a decent alternative.
That grey MDF looks really great - and, YES to fitting a plinth (all round!) to save scrabbling for the thing you drop on the floor that then rolls under the cabinet! Interestingly Tomas over at Casual DIY was reviewing a Domino type router jig today - not cheap but looks well made . . worth a look. I shall wait for the plywood model.
Yea, I’ve seen Tomasz’ vid. As usual they get quite expensive by the time you’ve added import duties and VAT. 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop I have used that same jig, it has issues for sure weight being one of them and depth movement, as a simple solution I'm waiting on your jig, I like the pin solution, I wonder where I have seen that before.... any idea how long for your jig
great job show them mistakes there's no shame in making them, thanks for the tips and tricks...
Great video, as always. Especially the little mistake on the drawers, and the fix for it. Thanks, Peter!
Thanks 👍
Nice job Peter.👍👍
Great video and inspiration for a cabinet with wheels that I intend to build as an extension for my homemade MFT with trestles. Wish me luck! Fingers crossed
Thanks! Hope it goes OK!👍
Quick Draw Millard, fastest 'short' draw in the West! 🤠🤠🤠
😂👍
Very nice.
Fabulous Job Peter Great video
Nice cabinet. 👍
Great job, Peter! Thx 4 sharing!
I'd sugest no plinth down as u will often end up striking it w ur toes but... it's a matter of individual preference.
I just so happen to be moving into a shop space. Small (ish) space as it is, I am undescribably thankful for for it. In preparation for this monumental moment I have done gobs of research on different shop build outs. Many, many youtube videos watched. Your channel being one of my favorites, for sure. And quite timely that you're upgrading and producing videos on the subject. I will be following suit in some of your design.
I'm an old carpenter, mainly specializing in remodels/additions/etc... The dream of my own shop has been there a long time. I have to say I appreciate your videos very much. They quite inspire me. Inform, educate, and entertain. As you say, always an opportunity to learn, make mistakes, recover from said mistakes...it's all part of the enjoyment of this trade.
Be well, and thanks! Until your next video, Cheers!
Thanks Mark! 🙌
Nice one Peter - a good clean job!
0:24 Ikea BEKVÄM! I love that little stool.
Hi Peter, I have been a subscriber of your channel for quite a while now and you have always produced great looking and well made products. However, your abilities to break the process down and demonstrate how easily we can also achieve similiar results really is fantastic. Every time I watch your channel I come away with an increase in knowledge and the confidence to just give it a go. If you were to produce a book for newbies on ´The ten minute approach to wood working or cabinet making´I have a funny feeling that it would sell in large quantities.
Thanks Jon! Actually, that’s not a bad idea, that book; maybe it’ll have to wait until next Christmas though! 😂😂
I was out in East Sussex today and I bumped into Charlie Diyte and Keith Brown and they were saying they could both take you in a scrap.
Only if they worked together, ‘cos I fight dirty… 👍
Lovely
I'll be straight in line for that jig. Looks great.
Looks great Peter. Love the coloured MDF with the birch plywood. Might give that a go 👍
they look good enough to put indoors bedroom maybe very nice
Belting vid as always, with for me the added bonus of helping me make my mind up, as to the drawer fronts on a small Belfast Sink Base Unit with 350mm wide drawers to one side. I've been fortunate to have rescued some ply from a neighbours project, saved the drawers from an old melamine set of drawers that just need resizing and new natural looking fronts. Trouble is I'll have to ban myself from UA-cam, to many ideas about.. 😉😄
Sounds great! 👍
Nice work Peter. Love the new jig. 👍🏼
Thanks! 👍👍
Another great and inspiring video. Nicely done, Sir.
Hi Peter! I’m just a DIY-er, carpentry was probably my next job to choose in life if I wasn’t an electrician. I really like you videos as I stated numerous times. I’m even thinking opening a home shop at some point building stuff for my house. I find carpentry very relaxing.
One thing I found very hard even in my field of job at begging was how to price up jobs.
Can you show maybe in one of your future videos how to do that. I guess that will be a good lesson for newbies and probably for clients not to get ripped off
Thanks!!!!
Thank you! It’s been a while, but I did a couple of videos on it way back - Pricing up a job P1 here - ua-cam.com/video/4E0bfyJwIoU/v-deo.html
Day Rates and the Cost Of Doing Business, P1 here - ua-cam.com/video/iDx0Nz_OT-o/v-deo.html
They may help! 👍👍
Love the look of that unit Peter, very smart, can’t wait to get hold of one of those jigs 😋.
Thanks! They’re coming! 👍👍
I can't wait to throw some money at you for your loose tenon jig, Peter. I tried to make something myself and frankly, it was rubbish 😂 Lovely looking cabinet too; the grey MDF is really nice 👍
Thanks! I’m pleased with how they’ve turned out. I’ll have more in the jigs in the next couple of weeks. 👍👍
Always enjoy; great build Peter....cheers...rr
Lovely job, Peter - that turned out really well!
Thanks Eddy! Yes, I’m pleased with this one, worked out nice! 👍👍
Awesome work as always Peter.. pleasure to watch your videos.
Thanks Colin! 👍
Hi Peter
Really great video mate... I just love how you make things look so bloody easy and turn out looking perfect 👌 👍👍👍👍
Thanks Carl! I did make a bit of a howler on this one though! 😂👍
Nice invention!
I'll be after that loose tenon jig! As long as you get out before Sept 2022 when I plan to buy a Domino, the pressure's on Peter! If ever a project could be defined as 'busman's holiday' it's P. Millard Esq and making a cabinet!
👍👍
great video and end product. the more I see you blast through projects with the MFT the more I'm convinced I need to build one.
I’ll be making a DIY version before too long. 👍👍
Brilliant as always , thanks Peter, looks great and good to see someone paying such detail to workshop cabinets, thanks again stay safe and well , cheers
Cheers Paul! 👍
Regarding the packers to stop the drawers from entering too far...
I'm surprised you put them on top of the slides vs. below them. I feel like in my case (due to a lack of decent dust collection) dust would collect there over time and force the drawers to start poking out a bit.
Since you are pro level and gave very good dust mitigation practice, probably not a concern.
Another great video.
i have the ply bought the plans but might wait for the jig 😍
I feel like the front rails would of looked better in the grey mdf to split the ply up a bit (in my opinion) but looks awesome as is and definitely need a plywood plinth 100% great video 👍
Hi thanks for the very interesting video.
Great and very useful video as always Peter, thanks!
Crackin little build Peter. Love the loose tenon jig, gotta make me one.Plus i think i'll have to invest in a track saw at some point.Love your set up,all the best.
Cheers Steve!
Another brilliant video as usual Peter. I'll be straight in for the jig when it goes on sale
👍👍
I have to say I'm enjoying these slightly longer videos Peter. Nice to see a glimpse of the loose tennon jig it looks like a nice step up from mk1. I agree with you about the Birch ply plinth, I think it will set it of with the drawer fronts.
Cheers Matt! All bites for a birch ply plinth so far! 👍
Great channel. Love your craftmanship...
Thank you very much! 👍
Great job, I love the drawer fronts done like that!
awsome, would make clamp area bigger though.
good job as allways :)
Clamp areas fine for 1/4” routers, there’s a ‘plus’ jig for 1/2” routers. 👍👍
Nice job Peter
Thanks John. And welcome, btw! 👍👍
@@10MinuteWorkshop Thanks Peter. I have been meaning to do it for weeks. Some health issues are limiting my workshop activity at the moment so i have been revisiting your back catalogue to keep me entertained ! Keep up the excellent work.
Thank you! Hope you’re on the way to recovery. 👍
Last year, I bought a 25mm brad nailer. I think that was a mistake, as it doesn't really shoot 25mm brads very well, but if I drop down to 18mm brads then I have to rebate to make housing joints in 18mm stock, otherwise they're too short.
I should have gone for the 32mm version. It was only cheap though, so no real loss.
For your "kick plate" or plinth, if you make it out of the dark grey MDF and it sets back a bit, it will look like the drawer unit is floating since it will be the colour of a shadow. (I like the birch ply also, just going for a cool effect for extra credit :^) ).
Agree. And, a dark plinth less likely to show scuff marks from the toes of your black soled shoes, Peter, regardless of waxing. Given the proximity to so much dust, I thought a closed back would be preferable. time will tell. thank you for another fine vid.