Why Is Harriet's Shower Leaking? - ASB #2
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Ask Skill Builder returns with Episode 2 covering the familiar story of a leaking shower and the wrong approach to bathroom design.
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5:03 _”Nothing in that shower should wobble about like that”_ .......... steady on!
Jewel Citizen It looks like that shower job is a bit of Maltese Christmas mate. See them more often than you think.
Thanks for the tips, past videos and down to earth, no rubbish advice. Helped a lot in various scenarios renovating my house
Good questions. Quality answers!
Best of luck, Harriet! Listen to Roger; he will steer you down the correct path.
for any fittings in any property ,always and i mean always go for modular easy to maintain kits ! they might cost more than custom designs but they are made to be serviceable and will be cheaper in the long run if done properly
Great advice Roger! Cheers.
Great video
Aside her problems, Harriet did a good job of showing the issues. Bad situation but with enough money saved I'm sure she can get it fixed. Horrible to have unexpected costs with a new gaff.
1 question !!! Was looking forward to that..
Thank you 💪
I see this stuff everyday mate..welcome to my world...Wedi board. And decent tradesman .
On the subject of wet rooms and showers in general, I do not like shower valves which are embedded in the walls. Yes, they look nice, but they are a problem waiting to happen. I've always used bar showers as if they do start leaking, they are trivially easy to swap out. Generally, the fewer the number of joints in a wall, the better and, for me, compression joints hidden in a wall or under the floor in inaccessible places is a no-no (or, for that matter, push-fit). So, in that case, it's future maintenance issues over appearance for me.
I should add that I did convert my parent's en-suite bathroom to a wet room about 8 years ago, and it's been entirely leak free. However, I was extremely thorough, lifting the entire floor, using a pre-formed wet-room shower base, putting down a new plywood floor with noggins between the joists, fixing down a waterproof, taped tiling board floor with flexible cement before tiling. All corners to the walls were taped and he plaster (which was old-fashioned bonding + finishing onto block and very solid) was tanked anywhere near the shower area before being tiled. The two bits of boxing in were properly framed and used tiler board.
Fortunately the entire upper part of the house has block walls and the shower backs onto the airing cupboard, so there's essentially no pipework embedded in the walls. If I had to do such a thing with a stud wall, then I'd give serious consideration to having an access panel of some sort to the pipework.
It's simply not sensible to cut corners with bathrooms. Whilst wet rooms have a bad reputation for failures, personally I think they are better than shower trays as it forces you to do things properly and make sure the room and walls are properly watertight. Shower trays and booths can leak too, and often do great damage, such as to those plasterboard walls, without being noticed until it is too late.
As you said in your earlier video it's a nightmare timebomb waiting to go off in so many houses
Ryan C It is the number one complaint in NSW to fair trading, water proofing issues. I see the work of others that just makes you shake your head more often than not. Brand new houses where they cut corners with waterproofing, incorrect detailing, no primer used, not thick enough, no bond breaker used, the list goes on. Now imagine this in an apartment block where you have bathrooms and balconies on each level above the last and the builder gets it wrong. Can be a couple of hundred apartments that are defective.
I would leave a Removable access pannel in the cuboard on the refit for sure.
Once you have water ingress, especially the boarding, it won't ever dry out! It has to be ripped out and to be done again using the correct substrate/boarding. Rigid copper pipework and the correct fixings should be used. Cement board is a good option with proper tanking and sealed joints.
Dont Get by Get Bry Correct
what a lovely lady, i hope it all turns out well for her and her family. ( lovely jumper😉😉)
years ago in a rented house we had a small leak coming from the shower room to the downstairs hallway and the same plumber been out 3 times resealing and checking the waste and inlet flows with no prevail ,i then myself worked out the pipes were all fine ! the plumber didnt bother checking the waterproofing of the surround walls and tiles !!! all it needed was re-grouting and silicone around the tray ! as water seeped into the gaps in the tiles and trickled down the back of the shower wall to downstairs
Ha. First DiY plumbing help I did was middle aged friend who called plumbers many times about leaks from her bathroom. They'd re-grouted, re-sealed, tinkered with taps, etc. I took panel off bath a d found the unsupported waste pipe ran length of bath to wall had sagged and slipped. Tightened it up, supported it, and now always put plastic storage box top under trap to catch drips and evaporate them if it happens again. Total cost about £5 for the box top. That whole bathroom was a cowboy job but the cheap fix saved a rip out and rebuild.
Hi roger, in the near future I am going to do a self build, I am a carpenter but never taken on such a big project, so I have been watching some of your vids about different problems/scenarios I may come across, I have not seen much about concrete reinforcement ( rebar) do you have any videos
If the lady of the house can rattle the shower head and shake the control valve, what the hell do we pay these surveyors for when we buy a property? They do no more than "get a heating engineer to look at the boiler. Get an electrician to look at this, get a so and somto look at that." What do we pay them for apart from them saying to the mortgage people no more than "yeah its worth the money".
Bigger rip off than any John Wayne builder!
Surveyors reports confirm that the property exists so that the banks risk is covered. A survey that tells you what is wrong with the property is extremely expensive.
Unfortunately the conventional surveys are not worth the paper they are written on, especially homebuyers that tries to make it easy for the lay person to understand but in doing so makes it pointless and full of caveats. What you should ask for is full building survey, and check with the surveyor if its a written report or a fill in the boxes report. You obviously want the former. Or if you just want to know whats wrong ask for a schedule of defects. The mortgage surveyor is literally just to confirm there is a building that has the correct number of bedrooms.
To the two who replied. I understand all that, the point I' m making us its not a survey! Its a report that the property exists and/or a valuation. It is misrepresentation! A bigger con than the estate agents description.
I think you're mixing up surveyors, a properly building surveyor will do a thorough job, where as a surveyor hired by developer, banks etc will do bare minimum.
hate surveyors, missed raising damp for not opening the cupboard under the sink
Wet rooms, what can you say good luck with that one, For me its rip the whole lot out ,and fit a long based tray with glass panel,, with tiles,
Team up with Abacus Rog and get this sorted for the young lady.
I'm a sparks by trade. I simply will not hire any other trades (except gas) for my own house. Far to many cowboys and clowns around. I now do all my own plumbing, carpentry etc myself. It may take me 3x as long, buts it's done correctly.
Good luck young lady.
@@Elfin4 Looking at it I think the water was coming from the shower head but as it has been cut off before the valve we can't tell. The water stains are higher than the valve but it might have sprayed upwards.
In the states, if there's any sign of mould, the occupants literally have to leave the house. The contractors have to seal off the mould/room/house and wear full respiratory gear and cut out and remedy the mould and then get a safety certificate before any further work can continue or the occupants can return. In the UK people are quite happy to live with it ... almost like a furry pet ...🤤
asimo sss made me chuckle
assimo
When i was in Cape Cod I saw a couple of guys dressed like astronauts and the area was cordoned off. They were removing lead paint. I came to the conclusion that out perception of hazards is cultural. Maybe a third of the country is eating itself into an early grave and lots of people carry guns. I;ll take my chances with a bit of mould.
@@SkillBuilder that's my home...Cape Cod. Building homes for over 30 yrs here..I'd have taken you out for beer..love the channel 👍
@@joeframer9642 Hi Joe
Well I might head back that way some time Province Town was a total surprise. I enjoyed it.
thats just ridiculous never heard of anyone leaving their home because of mould it's mould not radio active particles
Hi Roger, I have a cracked tile in the shower but I have no spares to replace it with. Is there an effective way of repairing it in situ? I suspect it is cracked due to water ingress from the shower tray (the tile is at the bottom of the wall) but I am not in a position to re-do the shower room yet, so I need a permanent fix for the moment. Thanks.
can you send us a picture. It is hard to say until we see the crack.
I have submitted the photo and description via the web site, many thanks.
I had the same problem last year, I fixed it with milliput epoxy putty( white) , I made the crack slightly larger by scraping with small screwdriver then filled with putty and smoothed with filling knife and water until smooth, it's still good and you have to look hard to find which tile it was. Replaced some grout this week (black) milliput is ace,been around a long time and British brand. Cheers
Got to feel for people who buy houses in good faith then find someone has bodged a job.
Hello Roger,
What advice would you give to prospective home-owners to detect problems like these? Just by looking at the beautiful shower, its not easy to tell the standard of how it has been installed , correct? Can surveryors catch such problems (before they reach critical stage)?
In such a situation, can the tiles be carefully removed and re-used once the corrective actions you spoke about in your recent video have taken place?
Is this a viable option to lower the overall expense of re-doing things, (while adhering to the proper standard of a wetroom installation)?
Reference: ua-cam.com/video/78GFm8kyjr8/v-deo.html
Quick question how much is a good price for 18mm 8x4 sheet of plywood
£25.00 for birch faced.
Wish I could work with you guys
Am I right in saying at the beginning of the video? Roger says he wants to jumper her😂
Roger, get your tools and hot foot down there now. Lady in distress! I'd certainly help her👍
Perv!
princerakim how is he a perv? He wants to help a lady out.
She is beautiful
Geeezzz... you can see stress and upset this has caused in her eyes. Probably poured all their svaings to get that house hoping they had a few years before any major expense came along and then this!
Hope it all got sorted. Have you thought of doing a follow up to see how things are now someone has done it properly. They could talk through all the things they've got right this time.
If you guys are looking for waterproofing products you are best using one manufacturers line of products as they will work together and be compatible with each other. Sika UK have acquired Everbuild and I know their products are quality and work. Another large manufacturer is Ardex and Mapei. Type in to youtube Davco waterproofing and whatch the first two videos, they cover some good points in them.
Davco videos above 👍
Helicrete Sydney thanks I was going to go with elements boards but now I will go with this.
Roger, is there any redress if a you pay for work and the plumber/builder etc doesn't do it to British Standards? I had a bathroom put in a couple years ago; we had a leak in the shower within months and more recently plaster cracked and fell from the ceiling above the shower. Since then I've spent a far bit (too much!) time watching UA-cam videos like yours, and I'm starting to suspect that the work was...shoddy. I'm pretty sure the tiling was straight to plasterboard with no tanking.
Nick
I would say it is a waste of time pursuing it. The plumber did a design and build so there is no spec and he didn't say in his contract that he would carry out all work in accordance with British Standards. You would expect better and could try and take him through the small claims court but you have to get surveyors to tell you exactly what is wrong. They won't just take your word for it.
I disagree Roger. If you have standards and they are not met it is case closed. Work not done to standard is the easiest way to win a case, it can't be argued with. Not sure what it is in the UK over 9 years since working there, but here we have the National Construction Code, within that it references the standards applicable to different parts of the building. If it doesn't comply with a referenced standard it doesn't comply with the NCC. Game over.
Problem would be proving it after it has happened if it has been rectified unless you have photos or an experts determination such as an engineer etc. stating why it doesn't meet the standards. Best to speak to fair trading or the like perhaps.
@@MrJFoster1984 The problem we have is that there are too many different codes. If we are talking about Building Regs then that covers health and safety. The British Standards are guide and codes of practice but unless a contractor is claiming to be following them it is not easy to turn around after the event. You might win a case in court but getting money out of a contractor can take years. I am talking about the practical sside rather than the moral argument.
Skill Builder I wasn't talking about morals, I was stating the basis of a claim made under non compliance to the standards.
@@MrJFoster1984 O.K I understand but British Standards aren't law. You have to have it in the contract that you are working to them. I know it is different elsewhere but in the U.K nobody is going to fight the case on your behalf. You have to kill somebody before they take any interest.
Where can I get hold of a copy of the British standards for wetrooms and showers?
You have to pay around £180.00 and it is the British Standards for tiling and plastering. It states that shower areas (not just wet rooms) must be tanked.
@@SkillBuilder have you tried the schluter system and if you have how do you rate it? - It seems to be very popular with tilers in the US. Have you tried any of the liquid dpm systems from the likes of Mapei or BAL and if you have are they any good?
@@SkillBuilder p.s do the British standards require access to the pipework and fittings for the shower and if so it would be a good suggestion for the lady in the video to build access to the back of the shower in the wardrobe if for nothing else but to check there are no leaks in the future.
@@BODGE71 I completely agree. It is an ideal location for putting in an access panel.
@@BODGE71 Yes I have used Schluter but there are other boards which are as good and cheaper British made.
I have also used Dunlop and Ardex tanking systems. They are good products, no question.
always get a surveyor with cover insurance ! if they miss anything out thats obviously a long term leak then they are the ones that should be liable for not checking it out ! always pay a bit extra for a surveyor
nice lady
I have to feel sorry for that family. I think surveyor's have a lot to answer for nowadays. And the thing is they get away Scott free for some reason. I wonder what the end result was, did all the repairs get done does anybody know????
Yes she had a new bathroom a few weeks later.
Supeb work from Bodge It & scarper!😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭😭
just a thought make an access panel behind the shower valve when you do a refurb with isolating valves to shower and access in flooring in cupboard to check waste make life act easier later on and cheaper if a problem.
It's the typical shoddy British way of doing things I'm afraid. My wife is Danish, we lived in Scandinavia for several years and moved back to the UK. She couldn't believe the poor standard of UK houses and workmanship. You just don't get shit like this in Scandinavia. They do things properly... proper workmanship and quality materials along with scrupulous attention to design and planning. Anyone who has been to any of the Scandinavian countries will know what I mean. Sure, it all costs a bit more but if you pay cheap...you pay twice. Do the job properly from the outset.
I worked in Norway and Denmark in my teens so I completely agree. The worst mistake I made was leaving.
@@SkillBuilder ..We intend to return one day...hopefully. Vastly superior houses.
Go on any recommendation group in the U.K. first thing I guarantee you see will be “ for some one to redo our bath room must be cheap or no silly quotes.” Second is roofers and landscapers offering their services to do that bathroom. It’s no good the amount of work that goes on which out right ignores regs is terrible too.
Also persimmon 16500 new homes billion in profit
If you think the UK is bad you should see some of the work here
problem is, so many customers pick cheap quotes, so get cheap work.
Bertie Basset jumper.
People should observe this when offering stupid money for houses in this current bubble. Look at the fixtures and start spotting the signs not just the fact it looks clean and new.
Ok. By way of an update I am currently refurbishing a shower cubicle with the informous leak issues. The boarding wasn't too bad but did show signs of a leak. So I've ripped the whole lot out Inc the shower tray which was knackered. For this job I used the 12mm Hardy backer and sealed the joints with CT1. Whilst this is better the plasterboard the weight of boards nearly killed me! Both cutting and installing was long winded and lost a lot of time. So there's a trade off here. Moisture board is far eaiser to work with and saves time but needs to be tanked to prevent future water ingres.
That is why I use the Elements board. watch the videos on SB and see how much easier it is to cut and fix. Taping and sealing the joints is about an hour's work.
@@SkillBuilder I understand however the elements boards only come in 6mm and 10mm but I needed 12mm to match the existing walls. Wickes do a 12mm tile board which is the same and cheaper than Abacus but, again, it's only 10mm thick.
Actually, after some more research I've discovered they do 12mm thick boards! - link below. And I've also worked out there's little difference between using Hardy backer and Elements boarding when you factor in the labour costs. It took me half a day (plus a lot of effort) to install hardy backer where as it would take maybe a couple of hours with Elements boards. I think I'm a convert! 👍
www.abacus-bathrooms.co.uk/#!/wetrooms-waterproofing-glass-screens/tile-backer-construction-board/wall-floor-board/Elements-Ultimate-Construction-Board-900x2400mm-5-Pack.html
😲😲She's a looker😲😲
It may be inappropriate but I think she is so beautiful.rare a woman catches my eye these days 🥰
B&Q are doing all the right gear now, it's not that much extra to do a half decent job, these are just cheapskate bodgers!
Superior Being yes I’ve spotted the cement and pink foam boards there . It’s not that expensive considering you only need to do the wet areas not the whole bathroom . Seems daft not to
Threre's all this professional training and legislation, only one with the ticket can fit, plumb or wire. Where has this all got us?
Spot on. A lot of what appear to be little jobs but are fiddly are not realistic for tradespeople. Quote a price for a few days work and don't get the job. As DiYer, I can afford to spend hours fiddling and fettling when necessary. So, DiY that follows book or videos like these often does better job than professional. Not yet found a sparky I can trust and those who seem ok can't find reliable assistants and apprentices. My diligent builder became a good friend for life as has decorator long after jobs done
The shower head looked a bit lime-scaled up -hardwater area like most of UK I guess :-)
I was labouring recently and my boss got me take down the old plasterboard and fit marine ply to the studs... I asked him if it was for the shower area too and he said yes. I asked if he was tiling straight on to it and he said yes. He said it was fine and because its marine ply it would last 25ish years. I wasn't needed for any work after that but I had a feeling this was wrong and my feeling have been confirmed.
Don't matter if your a millionaire or not you shouldn't have to keep forking out!
I bet the previous owner wanted a glam wet room but for absolutely jack all
5 quid says some cheeky bloke made a comment about her damp patch of carpet!
Just a quick note, whoever does your website for you needs to get you a SSL certificate. That link you've given goes to an unecrypted form. Because people will be filling that form in with their personal details, under GDPR that page requires an SSL cert so the link will start with https. This insures the data sent via that form is encrypted. Shouldn't cost much at all as they should be able to get you a LetsEncrypt cert which will be free, you just pay for their time to set it up. I'm an IT engineer, I see this issue a lot with sites recently.
What's going on guys? Another 'Spot the Monkey' video?? 😀😀
sorry what was the issue ?? wasnt taking any notice of the issues what so ever .. come on guys .. how many of you was waiting for the plumber to walk in ;)
Because shes a vegan
Id sort her leak right out.
If you've gotta problem, and nobody else can help, perhaps you can hire, Skill Builder. Der Der Der Der Der Der Da Da Da Da, Da. Der Der Der Der Der Der, Da Da Da Da Da......
More useless ex-con builders. Get a dbs check & verify references but best option is DIY.
Step 1: Marry a man who's handy.
Surely you should say your sponsored by abacus.
Reported to UA-cam
If it had been sponsored we would have said so but it isn't so I am not quite sure what you are reporting.
Watch it again and you will hear me say there are several tilebacker boards on the market but I prefer Abacus
Yes they have sponsored videos on SB and I am loyal to the brand but it is cheaper than the German stuff and made in Yorkshire so I am happy with my recommendation. I am keen to support British Industry and jobs but I know that is unfashionable these days.
Do u watch the channel on a regular basis? If not move along u dingaling
Jon I bet you’re the type of builder that cuts corners that roger then has to go and fix. Stay away from my plumbing lad.