This is the first video I’ve seen recommending the need to “remove the lower wall material”. I wonder if using an appropriate seal would be better and less hassle?
I agree, if you read the installation instructions for a Mira flight low level tray, removing the lower wall material is only shown for trays with an upstand, which makes sense, for those without upstands it shows flush fitting to the wall. instructions can be found here resources.kohler.com/plumbing/mira/pdf/1192074-w2-b-mira-flight-shower-trays-range-installation-and-user-guide.pdf
A shower pan is a shower pan make it level and yeah you get rid of the lower drywall easer to install a 42 by 42 pan in a 41 inch spot bet you don't know what to do you got to cut the bottom of the wall Joyce out then you put your pan in then after you get your pan and you got to shim the bottom of where to cut out so your walls don't sinking give me a call I'll show you how to do it I ain't no cheap date though let me know you need some help
I was told cutting the wall away is a no-no. When the silicone fails the water is straight in behind the tile board / wedi board (although noted you have a second bead - most are recommending seals or tanking with those cloth strip things) ? Also doesn't it increase the likelihood of the enclosure not fitting - as your tray is effectively smaller. The question I wanted to ask though is - do you 2nd silicone to the tiles before or after installing the enclosure as this wasn't clear at the end.
I agree. I used a No More Leaks kit by Abacus. I didn't need to cut into the tile backer boards (or wall). Once the tray was in place I used the kit to seal the corner between tray and wall and then installed UPVC panels over the top before finally using CT1 to apply the final seal. Roger Bisby gives a good demonstration about how to install here ua-cam.com/video/5L2WN5rfHKM/v-deo.htmlsi=qr-3sCB9vpoywogK . I also installed a Mira shower enclosure. I found that there is a built-in tolerance, so although the area of my shower tray was 10mm smaller in both width and length as a result of my uPVC panels, I was able to adjust the enclosure to compensate for this.
Cutting the wall material out is good, as it enables a better seal to be made. I noticed that they didn't show how to fit the waste without the riser kit. Presumably you have to cut a hole in the floor adjacent to the shower, or in the ceiling below and make good! I thought they could have done better than that, so probably not for me.
It would probably involve taking up the floorboards first off, getting the waste pipe for the shower in situ, relaying the floorboards and then installing the shower tray. You’d then reach inside the hole of the shower tray to secure the trap/wastepipe
I'd like to have a riser kit for ease of later maintenance but there's nothing about the central support. It's a solid construction but not a lot about installing the feet/pillars.
I get that a bed of mortar or silicon can be used to secure the shower tray to the floor, but what if a shower riser is being used? Do we have to somehow fix the feet to the floor to prevent the tray from moving?
@@CosmicClaire99 Eventually I installed a 1200 mm by 800 mm Mira Flight tray which does have a central support included in the riser kit. I also fixed a baton under the tray for it's entire length next to the riser feet which prevents movement in one direction. I also cut shallow holes under the riser feet (the same diameter as the feet) to prevent movement in other directions. Have been using it for a while now and it feels pretty solid.
May I ask you a question . My shower is this mira shower drains , however it’s a trouble problem . I can’t buy a fit hair stopper , nothing can fit this shower drain , and this shower drain originally can’t stop all the hair , what should I do🥹🥹
These things are hopeless because the lip isn't flush with the shower tray so there's basically a permanent moat around it that doesn't drain. Whenever you've been to the beach this fills up with sand so you end up with a visible grubby ring of sand and other dirt sitting permanently around your waste. With our old shower sand and mud used to just easily wash straight down the drain, but with this useless thing you have to get down on your knees and swish it all out with an old toothbrush every time. Pathetic design. Also it's impossible to get the shiny plastic cap back on unless again you're grovelling on your knees with your head on the wet shower tray to see under it and it feels extremely flimsy. Disappointing.
Stopped watching when the installer removed the wall board and inserted the tray, this is a massive no no and will result in total failure, the tile is the over lap. The tray should be fitted to the wall board then siliconed. Once tiled the tray should be siliconed again between the tile and the tray. Ok so i watched some more never ever ever silicone a tray to floor it gives no support whatsoever and the tray will almost certainly crack. Mira are you really putting your name to this installation video.
Wonderful Mira Shower Tray.
how do you fit the waste if the tray is flat to the floor
Mira Shower trays good name indeed.
This is the first video I’ve seen recommending the need to “remove the lower wall material”.
I wonder if using an appropriate seal would be better and less hassle?
I agree, if you read the installation instructions for a Mira flight low level tray, removing the lower wall material is only shown for trays with an upstand, which makes sense, for those without upstands it shows flush fitting to the wall. instructions can be found here resources.kohler.com/plumbing/mira/pdf/1192074-w2-b-mira-flight-shower-trays-range-installation-and-user-guide.pdf
@@tonymcfeisty2478 Thanks for clarifying! I see what you mean now from the instructions.
But the tray in the video doesn’t have an upstand. 🤔
@@barrybeanstain yeah I'm confused too. This is Mira official ? Can't be right.
A shower pan is a shower pan make it level and yeah you get rid of the lower drywall easer to install a 42 by 42 pan in a 41 inch spot bet you don't know what to do you got to cut the bottom of the wall Joyce out then you put your pan in then after you get your pan and you got to shim the bottom of where to cut out so your walls don't sinking give me a call I'll show you how to do it I ain't no cheap date though let me know you need some help
I was told cutting the wall away is a no-no. When the silicone fails the water is straight in behind the tile board / wedi board (although noted you have a second bead - most are recommending seals or tanking with those cloth strip things) ? Also doesn't it increase the likelihood of the enclosure not fitting - as your tray is effectively smaller. The question I wanted to ask though is - do you 2nd silicone to the tiles before or after installing the enclosure as this wasn't clear at the end.
I agree. I used a No More Leaks kit by Abacus. I didn't need to cut into the tile backer boards (or wall). Once the tray was in place I used the kit to seal the corner between tray and wall and then installed UPVC panels over the top before finally using CT1 to apply the final seal. Roger Bisby gives a good demonstration about how to install here ua-cam.com/video/5L2WN5rfHKM/v-deo.htmlsi=qr-3sCB9vpoywogK . I also installed a Mira shower enclosure. I found that there is a built-in tolerance, so although the area of my shower tray was 10mm smaller in both width and length as a result of my uPVC panels, I was able to adjust the enclosure to compensate for this.
yes im suprised they cut the wall instead of tanking with membrane paint or tape
Cutting the wall material out is good, as it enables a better seal to be made. I noticed that they didn't show how to fit the waste without the riser kit. Presumably you have to cut a hole in the floor adjacent to the shower, or in the ceiling below and make good! I thought they could have done better than that, so probably not for me.
It would probably involve taking up the floorboards first off, getting the waste pipe for the shower in situ, relaying the floorboards and then installing the shower tray. You’d then reach inside the hole of the shower tray to secure the trap/wastepipe
I'd like to have a riser kit for ease of later maintenance but there's nothing about the central support. It's a solid construction but not a lot about installing the feet/pillars.
I get that a bed of mortar or silicon can be used to secure the shower tray to the floor, but what if a shower riser is being used? Do we have to somehow fix the feet to the floor to prevent the tray from moving?
This is my concern too. I'd like to have a riser kit for ease of later maintenance but there's nothing about the central support.
@@CosmicClaire99 Eventually I installed a 1200 mm by 800 mm Mira Flight tray which does have a central support included in the riser kit. I also fixed a baton under the tray for it's entire length next to the riser feet which prevents movement in one direction. I also cut shallow holes under the riser feet (the same diameter as the feet) to prevent movement in other directions. Have been using it for a while now and it feels pretty solid.
@@stephengraham1153 Thankyou, very helpful. I've found one now and as soon as my plumber okays it I'll be putting in an order.
May I ask you a question . My shower is this mira shower drains , however it’s a trouble problem . I can’t buy a fit hair stopper , nothing can fit this shower drain , and this shower drain originally can’t stop all the hair , what should I do🥹🥹
Did you figure this out. Currently having the same problem
@ yes I did , I found something from internet, it is a very small net to replace the blue catcher , better than before
@@babydecidewhere did you get from please or what is it called? Really struggling to find something similar
Can this be fitted on top of tiled floor with silicone ?
You don't make a 1300 x 700mm tray.
These things are hopeless because the lip isn't flush with the shower tray so there's basically a permanent moat around it that doesn't drain. Whenever you've been to the beach this fills up with sand so you end up with a visible grubby ring of sand and other dirt sitting permanently around your waste. With our old shower sand and mud used to just easily wash straight down the drain, but with this useless thing you have to get down on your knees and swish it all out with an old toothbrush every time. Pathetic design.
Also it's impossible to get the shiny plastic cap back on unless again you're grovelling on your knees with your head on the wet shower tray to see under it and it feels extremely flimsy. Disappointing.
Stopped watching when the installer removed the wall board and inserted the tray, this is a massive no no and will result in total failure, the tile is the over lap. The tray should be fitted to the wall board then siliconed. Once tiled the tray should be siliconed again between the tile and the tray. Ok so i watched some more never ever ever silicone a tray to floor it gives no support whatsoever and the tray will almost certainly crack. Mira are you really putting your name to this installation video.
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