You never bore us Roger. You are a proper builder. Wish every builder took pride in their work and not just churn out job after job chasing the money with no quality workmanship.
I am going to replace the bath with a long shower. I am going to copy all your instructions so that I know the plumber with do all the necessary jobs . However the bathroom is upstairs I think on a wooden floor ( unsure) I have known other people who say this is not reliable as it eventually leaks. Is it usual to put concrete under the tray in some way and follow all the instructions you have shown
Totally agree. We rent our home but the landlord hired cowboys to redo the shower. 6 months on it s leaking through the kitchen ceiling, 2 years on and I've resealed it 4 times and it still leaks, because he can't get the guy to come back and like most landlords he won't pay for a proper job.
Having just had my entire bathroom renovated and built from scratch, I had at least 8 "bathroom installers" in to price up the works, all but one of them (who eventually got the job) said they would use moisture resistant gyproc as "that's good enough and what we always use", a few of them when I asked about Hardie Backer asked "what's that?", eventually I gave up on the idea of them using Hardie board or equal till the last guy came in and I mentioned moisture resistant gyproc where upon he scrunched up his nose. I asked if he would prefer something like Hardie Backer and he said he would only use that. He got the job based on that one thing... and a great job he's doing so far too.
Your comments are bang on. I work for a national house builder and all our showers/ bathrooms are installed on moisture resistant plasterboard, its shit, the amount of full strip outs I do is nuts, my boss says I have to replace like for like but I just ignore him and buy cement board. Our problem is that the stud walls flex, the grout then pops and next we have tiles dropping off and a big stinky mess. My biggest annoyance is that our top brass say waterproof boards are too expensive and insist we continue to use plasterboard.
Roger is definitely my favourite tradesmen - a professional who truly cares about not just the visual finish of their work, but also the longevity of it as well. Thank you so much for this helpful video, I will be using it to stipulate to any other bathroom fitters who do any work in my property. This has been very informative for people like me who don't have much experience in the construction trade and are at the mercy of tradesmen who say "Trust me, I've done this hundreds of times, I know what I'm doing". You are right to come across as being slightly annoyed Roger - it only means that you _care_. And that's a good thing....
Probably the best short video about waterproofing a shower. Absolutely enjoy every second of it. Feel like I'm a 10 years' experienced shower fitter after watching it even though I haven't done a single one (about to do it now). Well done Roger!
I've finished my ensuite 6 months ago, I'm a DIYer but never fitted showers/bathrooms before. I've taken all Rogers fitting videos on board, abacus, tanked, no leak tap around tray and a solid tray riaser base (no raiser legs). I want to thank you for all your videos and showing the way on how to do a proper job.
Absolutely BRILLIANT! I was always sceptical about plasterboard, a small leak and it turns to pulp and I've know it to bring down whole ceilings. Roger is a fabulous educator, he should lecture in local colleges if you ask me. Man if only all builders worked to this standard.
Ive just renovated my shower room that had rotten plasterboard at the back of it. Followed all your videos and tanked my shower. So glad you made these videos and shared your knowledge.
I really like Roger`s videos and his “ no nonsense” approach. I would trust him 100% with anything that needed attention in my house.............no problem.
I fitted a weekroom last year and followed Rogers previous videos to the letter and everything is still looking 100% I’m fitting another bathroom shortly and you can guarantee I will be following the same advice!
Top video Roger I love it when you get into a roll on the ranting. I am no builder, a mere time served mechanical engineer with 40 years experience and everything you say is absolutely sensible. Installing to get your money and scarper is one thing and of course the new bathroom will look ‘super impressive’ but it’s always the bones of the job that gives the endurance and reliability not the ‘icing on the cake’ that the customer sees. It is not always possible for aesthetic reasons but when I did my shower recently which just so happens is positioned over a utility room I put in a service hatch in the utility room ceiling for future access to the drain plumbing. Could not do for the main bathroom though did not want a f’ugly hatch in the kitchen ceiling. 😉Keep up the good work Roger.😀
You're videos are keeping me going, I moved into a flat where the shower was clearly leaking for years. I've single handedly demolished the entire ensuite and it's given me so much confidence! Thank you so much ❤️
Tell like it is Rod!! I like you, have seen the damage. It goes without saying that people who don't want to adjust the process are either inept or lazy and cheap to do the job right. I fully advocate your way and don't use any other process now. I would rather turn work away.
I taped the join between the backer board and the shower try. The tiler had never seen tape before and cut it away from the tray. Glad I saw it in time.
Great job Roger! this lecture should be standard presentation at every plumber's school in the world. I'm in Australia and unfortunately as far as I know we don't have something like elements board here, that would be my only choice for shower. Hey, if I had my way (and lots of money hi hi) you'd be here doing the shower in my new house!
Don't you bloody dare retire Bisby, I need you to keep to keep feeding me top quality no ballocks building tips.....I love you speak the truth regardless, keep up the good work..... thanks
Wise words Roger, thank you. As a DIY-er I’ve removed 3 or 4 showers that were tiled on plaster board, and they all to a one had the tell-tale black mould (best case) or (worst case) were completely soggy and waterlogged. I’ve recently made a new shower enclosure from scratch but first watched your YT vids on the subject. I used Marmox lightweight waterproof board with the butyl tape etc. - and it made a lovely job for the tiler when he came. The one thing I did do was bed the resin cast tray on tile adhesive. But I was careful to pick a cement based one. That’s what I'm telling myself….
I went away from tiled tub/showers two decades ago. Switched to one-pieces. I don't care how pretty tile is, it leaks, and has to have the grout maintained which I hate. And 'Look ma, no leaks!' A worthy rant Rodger.
This. Tiles are at best mimics of stone so why not just use 10mm slabs? We use epoxy and kevlar backed stone panels for one-piece walls and either abraded single piece single plane slab floors to a linear drain or river pebbles for floors with uneven plane. Also did a decorative concrete floor with an ipe floor rack on top for a spa look. Tiles are meh at best and even if they are pretty its like a pretty girl that always brings her homely cousin with her----> grout! Yuck!
Your advice is great, this is my first Bathroom DIY project. I have tank out the wedi board plus cassi tape all around shower tray and bath. 100% waterproof very happy with it. Thank you 🙏
Now watched with sound, I’ve used backer board for my last 2 showers (DIY), but not gone as far with the tanking. I’m converted, this makes so much sense.
My shower (DIY) has been in for 15 years now and no water problems. I guess I got lucky because it's just plasterboard on all sides. The only thing I did slightly differently was to fit the shower tray before I put the plasterboard in and skimmed to give me a large overlap onto the tray if anything did leak down the line. It's hasn't. I really like this video and when I re-tile in future, I will certainly follow the recommendations here.
Love this video! Your rant is so well justified. Its not really that much harder to do a much better job. The tradesmen loses nothing as they are obviously building in the added cost to materials anyway and the job is so much better in the end. More videos like this please!
Perfect timing, DIYer bathroom next week, had already saved your previous version of this for reference. Going to take my time and follow each and every step.
You’re awesome Roger Love your enthusiasm You should be a college lecturer I’m an apprentice and after 8 months of working with my 20 year experience plumber boss he has agreed to scrap plaster board and use environmental board 👍
Superb video. Explains everything I need to do to correct our shower which was installed poorly using plywood walls. New Mira tray being delivered today and just installing Aquapanel. You explained why it has to be installed down to the floor too. I had been told to leave it above the tray. Thanks Roger!
I’m in Australia. In 2016 I had my bathroom renovated and just happened to fluke a master-tiler who made building a new shower an art-form. The old shower was stripped out and the entire bathroom floor jack-hammered up and brought back to the raw concrete slab. My shower layout is identical to the drawing in this video. The tiler used waterproof panels installed directly against the studs. Then he rolled on the thickest, gooey stuff all over the new shower area and beyond, including the floor. He let that dry, then he did it again. He built up the shower floor (no shower base). Then, using 600 x 300 tiles, he tiled the bathroom floor and walls up to 1.2 meters high. The shower floor has cleverly cut tiles that follow the fall. It looks like it’s folded. Fantastic job, completed using techniques described here. Anything less is most unwise
Brilliant video Roger. You’re just the man I could with to refit my shower room. I am fed up with bodge jobs in this house. So many leaks, I don’t know where to start 😩
I always used marine ply in the shower area and never had any issues and when the new style tile boards came on the market I switched to using them , it's a no brainier not too......😜 Cheers Roger......👍
Thanks Roger, I am doing this right now and the bit I was stuck on was whether to put the tray silicon bead behind the screen or do the silicon bead for the screen first and the the bead for the tray...so you solved my quandry!! :)
Buyer be aware! Great Video Roger, shame it will fall on some def ears. I come across the exact same scenario today, rotten walls etc….. An average bathroom takes us 2 weeks not a few days. Done properly with all the right water barriers (porcelain tiles, tanking, tile board) it should last decades! I aim for several water barrier fail safes. Bathroom fitting is actually more specialist then people think. You need many skill sets to get a masterful finish.
It's perfectly acceptable for plasterboard to be used if it's then tanked with the latex roll on method. Sadly so many places were built in the last 30 years with just plasterboard and tile around the bath and shower that's what people expect to have back and don't see the value in the added cost of the new water barriers. Many people around here aren't worried about the leaks as they're of the opinion when it gets bad enough in 10 years they'll just redo the bathroom again. Completely oblivious that the changes in the BS were to protect the structure of the building being damaged rather than stopping leaks. Educating customers of this can be a headache so perhaps in future I'll just link this video.
It used to be perfectly acceptable for a tradesman to get their head down and do a proper job without fancy products without spending so much time on their phone as they do nowadays. This sort of ‘belt and braces’ approach may be deemed necessary in a commercial install but I don’t think you will convince many domestic customers of it’s merits.👍
Last house we owned, the previous owner had a shower installed with plasterboard - it ended up being all mouldy and crumbling behind the tile. We've just moved into a new (formally rented) house and the shower is a botch job- dreading to see what the state of the wall is behind the tiles 😬
Thanks for all that you do Roger. You've given me the confidence to try a few things...a replacement shower tray is next up! Are you available to put right my bodges?! Keep up the great work.
Just finished mine and I tanked the walls and floor and used shower panels and water resistant plasterboard after watching you videos help loads great advices you give plus so far so good no leaks if it does it will run into the bathroom not the walls and ceiling like the old one that was there 😊
Hi Roger, another great video. Would be great to have a full list of the products to use, like the classi seal tape for the tray and the tape used for the corner in the video with James fitting his shower. Thanks again
I'm here because I'm looking at reinstalling the shower in my 12-year-old Barratt house. "This is what you MUST do" - followed by a list of things the original installer obviously didn't do. "This is what you must NEVER do" - followed by a list of things the original installer definitely did do. I preferred it when I lived in rented accommodation...
this is exactly the crappy mess I have in my shower... it's a bit too involved for DIY, but thank you for this knowledge to help me weed out the cowboys that won't recognise that plasterboard or marine ply isn't up to scratch
I'm just about to embark on an en suite project. As a DIYer I take this professional advice seriously and will use elements board and tank as you recommend Roger. As always, many thanks for your videos (and the rants)
I wish I could make my father watch this, he calls the new BS tanking standards a load of bull. Even after being on site and seeing damage (he's retired now). He is a full on waterproof grout advocate and doesn't see the need for the changes. Honestly I don't care about the leaks I care about the damage to the building structure, the water sealing system, tiles etc will always be ripped out during renovations but it's much harder to replace large joists and supporting structure, this is what the changes are there to protect and this is why any decent company costs so much now.
If he is retired let him cling on to the old ways. It is the people still out there doing this job that I want to change and it will be the consumers who demand better and don't try to beat the price down
I am with you on using plasterboard, so I use tanking and a waterproof board, The other thing is the waste, there’s usually a huge hole in the floor, under the tray which is where the leaking water goes, and stains the ceiling below, , I work in property maintenance , could you show how you detail this?
All good information Roger. You don't mention the trays with a 20mm built in upstand on the tiled walls. The tiles then come down over the upstand to form a completely waterproof seal, even if the silicone joint is defective. I use the Coram brand which in addition to the tiling upstand have a raised profile where the screen fits. So even if the silicone is defective across the external bottom of the screen it remains completely water tight. Never had a problem with all the ones I've fitted. One other point I'd make is the silicone application. You should never tile right down to the tray but leave a 4mm or so gap so you get silicone right into the joint. And always use an angled silicone profile tool to get a correct joint profile. This does two thing; 1) it gives a 'body' of silicone that can stretch if there's movement, and 2) the angle profile throws the water away from the corner. And as you correctly say, seal the tray PRIOR to fitting the screen using the best quality silicone you can.
Amazing . I’m about to fit my first bathroom so thanks I’ll waterproof it all correctly like you’ve stated . Some links for the materials you’ve suggested would be a handy thing to have . Great video though
Roger, when you do sketches on the drawing board could you sometimes show a sectional view ie: showing how the various boards and tape etc marry up with wall & shower tray. Just a thought. Technically, you do brilliant videos.
Yes, well said Rog. about time someone reinforced the point of not sealing the inside of the screen!!! Why they don’t highlight this in flashing lights I’ll never know. Common sense but only if you take the time to think about it. I drive everyone nuts because I can’t stop overthinking everything and so take ages to think about all potential issues later on……to all of those who mock me, who’s laughing now…..😂😂
Do not seal inside of screen is in the instructions. The real issue is the muppets who think they know better than manufactures and real professionals. I see loads of sealant around baths and shower trays, last job I was at I swear they used a brickies pointing iron to spoon the silicone on... it went up the wall 25mm!!!!!
Make sure you don't burst the water main under the cement floor while removing a shower and fitting a bath - like the council plumber did in my property. It was left leaking for over a year. The walls were gradually soaking through and they had to remove plaster and screed in two rooms two metres up.
WAtching all Rogers shower installs. I’m about to gut our bathroom and change to a shower unit. I’m already expecting some horrors behind the loose tiles over the bath, which has a shower. I am prepared and will do a good job thanks to Roger
@@SkillBuilder done. Behind the aforementioned tiles there were hardiebacker boards. That was the good news. The bad news was the joints were open and once the tiles were off I was able to just lift the panels off. Really really poor job. Once all the hidden damage was fixed everything went great. The difference is night and day. Thanks for the excellent guides.
He is so right. I have seen so many decent looking installations turn into soggy nightmares. Beware of Hardiebacker and similar cement boards. they are great products bur very absorbent and need sealing with SBR, never PVA ! Use stainless screws to fix. Beware of aluminium enclosures with plastic seals to the glass - OMG so many pitfalls waiting for the unwary ....
Great vid. I've always used tile board but I think some of the problems are caused by tile adhesive manufacturers stating their 100% waterproof flexible product is suitable for tiling onto plasterboard etc . I also prefer a tile tray with moulded upstands.
Great point! It would be good to see them offering more advice and, considering that so many of them have tanking kits they should be driving the point home
Roger to be fair I think most folk a little peeved about your pushing of abacus products, good as they are for most they would be too expensive , given materials and labour as opposed to concrete board and good quality grout + sealent, plus even with abacus / tanking it still comes down to the old adage of it it ain’t put in right , it will fail. I learnt this the hard way with my shower so I would pay extra for things like abacus but not all folk the same , as always great work in explaining things 👍
Many years ago, I worked for a company that manufactured one piece shower cubicles, no larger in size than a bath. I believe this is still used for caravans today.
Great video. I'm a DIYer and didn't do literally any of that. So far no leaks (15 years?), but it would never occur to me to tile over any sort of plasterboard. Weird idea.
Brilliant video as always and well timed! Just applied a classi seal to a new tray I'm putting in but unsure what to use to stick the back of the classi seal to the tile backer board as it says only neutral silicone can be used - what do you use Roger CT1, HB42, Tec 7? I have some of the elements Fix-MD would it be the better choice? I've watched your other video about silicones but none of the adhesive style sealants either state they're netural or acetoxy the way Dow Corning do.
We had a B&Q fit an en suite a couple of years ago and everything they fitted from the shower cubicle to the toilet and the hand basin leaked and more than once, they did compensate us a tiny amount but there are some truly incompetent plumbers out there and I just wish I had specified the job using this video!
Elements, Wedi tile backer etc. is so easy to fit and seal compared to messing on with plasterboard. It’s worth using just for that and once the joints are taped and sealed it’s water tight. Also tape seal the board to the plywood base, put some seal compound on that as well. Add some plasticiser to the mortar bed to make the mortar easier to manipulate. Adhesive seal the tray to the wall so it doesn’t shift. Membrane seal it to the wall before tiling. Silicone the tile line to the tray. Use solvent weld drain pipes so the only compression fitting you have is the one on the trap (fit a decent quality high flow trap as well). Either use soldered pipe joints on your water supply, good quality flexible or where you have comp fittings use jointing compound and/or tape/thread. For flat face unions into shower boxes etc. there’s usually a small gap you can get a metal bonded seal washer into which are rated for high pressures which is worth having as you can tighten them to a full stop without over compressing the seal. Wonder which channel I’ve been watching before I fitted my shower 🤔
Hi Roger, thanks for a great video. I've got to fit a shower to replace an existing bath. Walls are standard plasterboard. Should I use a tanking kit or put 6mm backing board over the plasterboard. Is the liquid membrane type tanking kit sufficient or would you recommend a waterproof lining paper?
Dave I used to do that too but if it is recessed too much you can't get the enclosure on the footprint. The wall profiles only give limited adjustment.
Can we have more Roger rants, He's very gifted at explaining things
You never bore us Roger. You are a proper builder. Wish every builder took pride in their work and not just churn out job after job chasing the money with no quality workmanship.
I am going to replace the bath with a long shower. I am going to copy all your instructions so that I know the plumber with do all the necessary jobs . However the bathroom is upstairs I think on a wooden floor ( unsure) I have known other people who say this is not reliable as it eventually leaks. Is it usual to put concrete under the tray in some way and follow all the instructions you have shown
Totally agree. We rent our home but the landlord hired cowboys to redo the shower. 6 months on it s leaking through the kitchen ceiling, 2 years on and I've resealed it 4 times and it still leaks, because he can't get the guy to come back and like most landlords he won't pay for a proper job.
Having just had my entire bathroom renovated and built from scratch, I had at least 8 "bathroom installers" in to price up the works, all but one of them (who eventually got the job) said they would use moisture resistant gyproc as "that's good enough and what we always use", a few of them when I asked about Hardie Backer asked "what's that?", eventually I gave up on the idea of them using Hardie board or equal till the last guy came in and I mentioned moisture resistant gyproc where upon he scrunched up his nose. I asked if he would prefer something like Hardie Backer and he said he would only use that.
He got the job based on that one thing... and a great job he's doing so far too.
Your comments are bang on. I work for a national house builder and all our showers/ bathrooms are installed on moisture resistant plasterboard, its shit, the amount of full strip outs I do is nuts, my boss says I have to replace like for like but I just ignore him and buy cement board. Our problem is that the stud walls flex, the grout then pops and next we have tiles dropping off and a big stinky mess. My biggest annoyance is that our top brass say waterproof boards are too expensive and insist we continue to use plasterboard.
Roger is definitely my favourite tradesmen - a professional who truly cares about not just the visual finish of their work, but also the longevity of it as well. Thank you so much for this helpful video, I will be using it to stipulate to any other bathroom fitters who do any work in my property.
This has been very informative for people like me who don't have much experience in the construction trade and are at the mercy of tradesmen who say "Trust me, I've done this hundreds of times, I know what I'm doing". You are right to come across as being slightly annoyed Roger - it only means that you _care_. And that's a good thing....
Another great video. Moral of the story is do it once and do it right 💯
Probably the best short video about waterproofing a shower. Absolutely enjoy every second of it. Feel like I'm a 10 years' experienced shower fitter after watching it even though I haven't done a single one (about to do it now). Well done Roger!
I've finished my ensuite 6 months ago, I'm a DIYer but never fitted showers/bathrooms before. I've taken all Rogers fitting videos on board, abacus, tanked, no leak tap around tray and a solid tray riaser base (no raiser legs). I want to thank you for all your videos and showing the way on how to do a proper job.
Thank you Bazz, it is good to know that people are doing this and it is making a difference.
Absolutely BRILLIANT! I was always sceptical about plasterboard, a small leak and it turns to pulp and I've know it to bring down whole ceilings. Roger is a fabulous educator, he should lecture in local colleges if you ask me. Man if only all builders worked to this standard.
he's an absolute legend! thanks to him I've figured out everything to get my shower room ready
Ive just renovated my shower room that had rotten plasterboard at the back of it. Followed all your videos and tanked my shower. So glad you made these videos and shared your knowledge.
I really like Roger`s videos and his “ no nonsense” approach. I would trust him 100% with anything that needed attention in my house.............no problem.
Not the cooking
Ha, the wife.
I fitted a weekroom last year and followed Rogers previous videos to the letter and everything is still looking 100% I’m fitting another bathroom shortly and you can guarantee I will be following the same advice!
Top video Roger I love it when you get into a roll on the ranting. I am no builder, a mere time served mechanical engineer with 40 years experience and everything you say is absolutely sensible. Installing to get your money and scarper is one thing and of course the new bathroom will look ‘super impressive’ but it’s always the bones of the job that gives the endurance and reliability not the ‘icing on the cake’ that the customer sees. It is not always possible for aesthetic reasons but when I did my shower recently which just so happens is positioned over a utility room I put in a service hatch in the utility room ceiling for future access to the drain plumbing. Could not do for the main bathroom though did not want a f’ugly hatch in the kitchen ceiling. 😉Keep up the good work Roger.😀
You're videos are keeping me going, I moved into a flat where the shower was clearly leaking for years. I've single handedly demolished the entire ensuite and it's given me so much confidence! Thank you so much ❤️
Great to hear that you can do it.
Tell like it is Rod!! I like you, have seen the damage. It goes without saying that people who don't want to adjust the process are either inept or lazy and cheap to do the job right. I fully advocate your way and don't use any other process now. I would rather turn work away.
A very wise business plan.
I taped the join between the backer board and the shower try. The tiler had never seen tape before and cut it away from the tray. Glad I saw it in time.
What a fool. I don't understand why tradesmen don't keep up with technology
Total sense! I've seen at least dozen showers that have leaked, causing major damage. All because the substrate was porous.
Good on ya Rodge! No nonsense approach. You are the Gordon Ramsey of showers 👍
That was 11 minutes of pure gold! This guys ranting is hilarious! Love the SB channel! Keep up the great work!
Roger, if you ever retire from this, definitely consider teaching mate! This is very clear and even ur drawing further clarifies what ur saying.
Great job Roger! this lecture should be standard presentation at every plumber's school in the world.
I'm in Australia and unfortunately as far as I know we don't have something like elements board here, that would be my only choice for shower. Hey, if I had my way (and lots of money hi hi) you'd be here doing the shower in my new house!
Hello Jason, ask your suppliers for "WEDI" board.
Don't you bloody dare retire Bisby, I need you to keep to keep feeding me top quality no ballocks building tips.....I love you speak the truth regardless, keep up the good work..... thanks
Good for you Roger - taking on all those so called expert plumbers who say you are milking the job.
Wise words Roger, thank you.
As a DIY-er I’ve removed 3 or 4 showers that were tiled on plaster board, and they all to a one had the tell-tale black mould (best case) or (worst case) were completely soggy and waterlogged. I’ve recently made a new shower enclosure from scratch but first watched your YT vids on the subject. I used Marmox lightweight waterproof board with the butyl tape etc. - and it made a lovely job for the tiler when he came. The one thing I did do was bed the resin cast tray on tile adhesive. But I was careful to pick a cement based one. That’s what I'm telling myself….
I went away from tiled tub/showers two decades ago. Switched to one-pieces. I don't care how pretty tile is, it leaks, and has to have the grout maintained which I hate. And 'Look ma, no leaks!' A worthy rant Rodger.
Tiles need replacing too so they are not good for the long haul.
This. Tiles are at best mimics of stone so why not just use 10mm slabs? We use epoxy and kevlar backed stone panels for one-piece walls and either abraded single piece single plane slab floors to a linear drain or river pebbles for floors with uneven plane. Also did a decorative concrete floor with an ipe floor rack on top for a spa look. Tiles are meh at best and even if they are pretty its like a pretty girl that always brings her homely cousin with her----> grout! Yuck!
Well put across Rodger, ripped out plenty of shower trays in my day, usually down to poor installation and using the wrong materials, spot on!
Your advice is great, this is my first Bathroom DIY project. I have tank out the wedi board plus cassi tape all around shower tray and bath. 100% waterproof very happy with it. Thank you 🙏
Top man,and very knowledgable 👍🏻👍🏻 we need more old school professionals like you. Good work and thank you 😊
Now watched with sound, I’ve used backer board for my last 2 showers (DIY), but not gone as far with the tanking. I’m converted, this makes so much sense.
My shower (DIY) has been in for 15 years now and no water problems. I guess I got lucky because it's just plasterboard on all sides. The only thing I did slightly differently was to fit the shower tray before I put the plasterboard in and skimmed to give me a large overlap onto the tray if anything did leak down the line. It's hasn't.
I really like this video and when I re-tile in future, I will certainly follow the recommendations here.
Love this video! Your rant is so well justified. Its not really that much harder to do a much better job. The tradesmen loses nothing as they are obviously building in the added cost to materials anyway and the job is so much better in the end. More videos like this please!
Perfect timing, DIYer bathroom next week, had already saved your previous version of this for reference. Going to take my time and follow each and every step.
You’re awesome Roger
Love your enthusiasm
You should be a college lecturer
I’m an apprentice and after 8 months of working with my 20 year experience plumber boss he has agreed to scrap plaster board and use environmental board 👍
Thanks Jaff
I did that college lecturing malarky, good fun but no money in it.
Superb video. Explains everything I need to do to correct our shower which was installed poorly using plywood walls. New Mira tray being delivered today and just installing Aquapanel. You explained why it has to be installed down to the floor too. I had been told to leave it above the tray. Thanks Roger!
Wow,glad someone got you wound up,because I loved and benefited from watching this,so Thankyou very much when I do a future project like this.❤
I’m in Australia. In 2016 I had my bathroom renovated and just happened to fluke a master-tiler who made building a new shower an art-form. The old shower was stripped out and the entire bathroom floor jack-hammered up and brought back to the raw concrete slab. My shower layout is identical to the drawing in this video. The tiler used waterproof panels installed directly against the studs. Then he rolled on the thickest, gooey stuff all over the new shower area and beyond, including the floor. He let that dry, then he did it again. He built up the shower floor (no shower base). Then, using 600 x 300 tiles, he tiled the bathroom floor and walls up to 1.2 meters high. The shower floor has cleverly cut tiles that follow the fall. It looks like it’s folded. Fantastic job, completed using techniques described here. Anything less is most unwise
If only we had people with your passion for doing it right running the country!
Brilliant !!!! A proper old fashioned, no BS, SKILLED man. Big thumbs up
Just ordered £600 of abacus gear for a large bathroom and an ensuite on your say so Rog, all the best mate 👍
Brilliant video Roger. You’re just the man I could with to refit my shower room. I am fed up with bodge jobs in this house. So many leaks, I don’t know where to start 😩
You just have to like the passion of this guy, but he will probably need to watch his blood pressure. Thank you Roger another well informed video 👏👏👍
I always used marine ply in the shower area and never had any issues and when the new style tile boards came on the market I switched to using them , it's a no brainier not too......😜
Cheers Roger......👍
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plywood of any sort is not banned for tiling on walls. It does support mould and the adhesive fails. Tilebacker all day long.
Thanks Roger, I am doing this right now and the bit I was stuck on was whether to put the tray silicon bead behind the screen or do the silicon bead for the screen first and the the bead for the tray...so you solved my quandry!! :)
Buyer be aware! Great Video Roger, shame it will fall on some def ears. I come across the exact same scenario today, rotten walls etc….. An average bathroom takes us 2 weeks not a few days. Done properly with all the right water barriers (porcelain tiles, tanking, tile board) it should last decades! I aim for several water barrier fail safes. Bathroom fitting is actually more specialist then people think. You need many skill sets to get a masterful finish.
Good man, I agree completely
It's perfectly acceptable for plasterboard to be used if it's then tanked with the latex roll on method. Sadly so many places were built in the last 30 years with just plasterboard and tile around the bath and shower that's what people expect to have back and don't see the value in the added cost of the new water barriers. Many people around here aren't worried about the leaks as they're of the opinion when it gets bad enough in 10 years they'll just redo the bathroom again. Completely oblivious that the changes in the BS were to protect the structure of the building being damaged rather than stopping leaks.
Educating customers of this can be a headache so perhaps in future I'll just link this video.
It used to be perfectly acceptable for a tradesman to get their head down and do a proper job without fancy products without spending so much time on their phone as they do nowadays. This sort of ‘belt and braces’ approach may be deemed necessary in a commercial install but I don’t think you will convince many domestic customers of it’s merits.👍
once again, a great explanation from roger, now i've just got to figure out who is as good as he is when i want mine doing
Lovely explanation Roger. Mine is a brick and plastered wall ,I gave the wall 3 coats of unibond before tiling, hope this is good enough.
I just know that this man is capable of coming back from the afterlife to smack me if I install it wrong.
We need more people like you Roger, to many Cowboys about. Mike 👍👏🍻
Last house we owned, the previous owner had a shower installed with plasterboard - it ended up being all mouldy and crumbling behind the tile. We've just moved into a new (formally rented) house and the shower is a botch job- dreading to see what the state of the wall is behind the tiles 😬
Thanks for all that you do Roger. You've given me the confidence to try a few things...a replacement shower tray is next up! Are you available to put right my bodges?! Keep up the great work.
Nice video mate. Currently going through a poorly sealed bathroom and shower tray. I appreciate your insights here.
Gotta love a Roger shower tray rant!
Just finished mine and I tanked the walls and floor and used shower panels and water resistant plasterboard after watching you videos help loads great advices you give plus so far so good no leaks if it does it will run into the bathroom not the walls and ceiling like the old one that was there 😊
Well this came just at the right time I’m about to start a shower room next week.
Hi Roger, another great video. Would be great to have a full list of the products to use, like the classi seal tape for the tray and the tape used for the corner in the video with James fitting his shower. Thanks again
Brilliant, we were amused and educated, but how to find someone like Roger, nigh impossible I say
Great to see the passion Roger. All the Cowboys out there might get the message now. 👍
I'm here because I'm looking at reinstalling the shower in my 12-year-old Barratt house.
"This is what you MUST do" - followed by a list of things the original installer obviously didn't do.
"This is what you must NEVER do" - followed by a list of things the original installer definitely did do.
I preferred it when I lived in rented accommodation...
this is exactly the crappy mess I have in my shower... it's a bit too involved for DIY, but thank you for this knowledge to help me weed out the cowboys that won't recognise that plasterboard or marine ply isn't up to scratch
If you are quoting for a job, show them this video. I am sure it will convince customers that you have their best interests at heart.
I'm just about to embark on an en suite project. As a DIYer I take this professional advice seriously and will use elements board and tank as you recommend Roger. As always, many thanks for your videos (and the rants)
Glad it was helpful!
this man knows his stuff excellent advice.
Once I took into account the plasterboard, tanking etc it was a no brainer to use the tile boards.
I wish I could make my father watch this, he calls the new BS tanking standards a load of bull. Even after being on site and seeing damage (he's retired now). He is a full on waterproof grout advocate and doesn't see the need for the changes. Honestly I don't care about the leaks I care about the damage to the building structure, the water sealing system, tiles etc will always be ripped out during renovations but it's much harder to replace large joists and supporting structure, this is what the changes are there to protect and this is why any decent company costs so much now.
If he is retired let him cling on to the old ways. It is the people still out there doing this job that I want to change and it will be the consumers who demand better and don't try to beat the price down
@@SkillBuilder why dont you teach/train youngsters coming up , they could learn so much from you ?
Roger is doing that already... through this channel!
@@antonyporter5045 Youngsters arent the problem, its the oldsters still doing things like it is 1982!
Well you do refer to them as ‘BS’ standards 😀
I am with you on using plasterboard, so I use tanking and a waterproof board,
The other thing is the waste, there’s usually a huge hole in the floor, under the tray which is where the leaking water goes, and stains the ceiling below, , I work in property maintenance , could you show how you detail this?
Will do
All good information Roger. You don't mention the trays with a 20mm built in upstand on the tiled walls. The tiles then come down over the upstand to form a completely waterproof seal, even if the silicone joint is defective. I use the Coram brand which in addition to the tiling upstand have a raised profile where the screen fits. So even if the silicone is defective across the external bottom of the screen it remains completely water tight. Never had a problem with all the ones I've fitted.
One other point I'd make is the silicone application. You should never tile right down to the tray but leave a 4mm or so gap so you get silicone right into the joint. And always use an angled silicone profile tool to get a correct joint profile. This does two thing; 1) it gives a 'body' of silicone that can stretch if there's movement, and 2) the angle profile throws the water away from the corner. And as you correctly say, seal the tray PRIOR to fitting the screen using the best quality silicone you can.
I have one of those trays in my house and it is a silicone free tray. They aren't popular probably because they need to be handed
thought that was Gordon Ramsey having a fit 😂👍
Ran outta leeks
The other way round, it is Gordon the resemblance of Roger based on the age first
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I'm tanking a wetroom this week with paint. Looking forward to keeping the cats out - no door yet.
Amazing . I’m about to fit my first bathroom so thanks I’ll waterproof it all correctly like you’ve stated . Some links for the materials you’ve suggested would be a handy thing to have . Great video though
We have lots of bathroom videos on our playlist. Just type in bathroom on our home page search bar
Roger, when you do sketches on the drawing board could you sometimes show a sectional view ie: showing how the various boards and tape etc marry up with wall & shower tray. Just a thought. Technically, you do brilliant videos.
Brilliant. "I've come round to fix your mess!!!!"
Great job, Roger. Excellent advice, well communicated, helpful warts-and-all explanation.
Great video as always, love your passion for the job.
Yes, well said Rog. about time someone reinforced the point of not sealing the inside of the screen!!! Why they don’t highlight this in flashing lights I’ll never know. Common sense but only if you take the time to think about it. I drive everyone nuts because I can’t stop overthinking everything and so take ages to think about all potential issues later on……to all of those who mock me, who’s laughing now…..😂😂
Do not seal inside of screen is in the instructions. The real issue is the muppets who think they know better than manufactures and real professionals. I see loads of sealant around baths and shower trays, last job I was at I swear they used a brickies pointing iron to spoon the silicone on... it went up the wall 25mm!!!!!
This bloke know his stuff he knows what hes going on about
Respect. This is how explanation videos should be done.
Love your videos - explained for a layman. And you know your stuff!
Thank you for the video. Can you lay shower tray directly on to the floor tiles
For all the views this video deserves way more likes.
Make sure you don't burst the water main under the cement floor while removing a shower and fitting a bath - like the council plumber did in my property.
It was left leaking for over a year.
The walls were gradually soaking through and they had to remove plaster and screed in two rooms two metres up.
cracking video + great advice for ALL those cowboy builders out there !!
the cowboys dont watch these sorts of channels on youtube, they probably watching tw@s mucking about on sites or fluffy cat vids
WAtching all Rogers shower installs. I’m about to gut our bathroom and change to a shower unit. I’m already expecting some horrors behind the loose tiles over the bath, which has a shower. I am prepared and will do a good job thanks to Roger
I am certain than you can make a better job than some of the chancers out there who are throwing in shower trays and tiling on plasteboard
@@SkillBuilder I’ll let you know. Luckily I can also take advantage of my B&Q staff discount for the hardiebacker 🤣
@@SkillBuilder done. Behind the aforementioned tiles there were hardiebacker boards. That was the good news. The bad news was the joints were open and once the tiles were off I was able to just lift the panels off. Really really poor job.
Once all the hidden damage was fixed everything went great. The difference is night and day. Thanks for the excellent guides.
He is so right. I have seen so many decent looking installations turn into soggy nightmares. Beware of Hardiebacker and similar cement boards. they are great products
bur very absorbent and need sealing with SBR, never PVA ! Use stainless screws to fix. Beware of aluminium enclosures with plastic seals to the glass - OMG so many
pitfalls waiting for the unwary ....
Great vid. I've always used tile board but I think some of the problems are caused by tile adhesive manufacturers stating their 100% waterproof flexible product is suitable for tiling onto plasterboard etc . I also prefer a tile tray with moulded upstands.
Great point! It would be good to see them offering more advice and, considering that so many of them have tanking kits they should be driving the point home
brilliant - thank you for your videos. May I ask your opinion on shower trays with 4 upstands around the edge?
Calm down Roger, you'll make your heart leakier than a DIY Shower tray ;)
Roger to be fair I think most folk a little peeved about your pushing of abacus products, good as they are for most they would be too expensive , given materials and labour as opposed to concrete board and good quality grout + sealent, plus even with abacus / tanking it still comes down to the old adage of it it ain’t put in right , it will fail. I learnt this the hard way with my shower so I would pay extra for things like abacus but not all folk the same , as always great work in explaining things 👍
Many years ago, I worked for a company that manufactured one piece shower cubicles, no larger in size than a bath.
I believe this is still used for caravans today.
Great video. I'm a DIYer and didn't do literally any of that. So far no leaks (15 years?), but it would never occur to me to tile over any sort of plasterboard. Weird idea.
The whole industry does that. Every single builder from southend refuses to do anything else.
The only sane person on the internet.
My approach completely, I'm paranoid about water leaks in my home, quite often by the time you recognise a problem its too late! The damage is done.
That is not paranoia it is sensible precaution. I have seen whole floors ripped out because of dry rot.
Brilliant video as always and well timed! Just applied a classi seal to a new tray I'm putting in but unsure what to use to stick the back of the classi seal to the tile backer board as it says only neutral silicone can be used - what do you use Roger CT1, HB42, Tec 7? I have some of the elements Fix-MD would it be the better choice? I've watched your other video about silicones but none of the adhesive style sealants either state they're netural or acetoxy the way Dow Corning do.
We had a B&Q fit an en suite a couple of years ago and everything they fitted from the shower cubicle to the toilet and the hand basin leaked and more than once, they did compensate us a tiny amount but there are some truly incompetent plumbers out there and I just wish I had specified the job using this video!
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The dad explanation.
Excellent ❤
Excellent, RB!
Its so refreshing to see the 'RIGHT WAY' to do a job so many folk out there that either havent a clue or are cowboys, belt and braces is always best 😉
Excellent Roger, well said👌👌👌
Elements, Wedi tile backer etc. is so easy to fit and seal compared to messing on with plasterboard. It’s worth using just for that and once the joints are taped and sealed it’s water tight.
Also tape seal the board to the plywood base, put some seal compound on that as well.
Add some plasticiser to the mortar bed to make the mortar easier to manipulate.
Adhesive seal the tray to the wall so it doesn’t shift.
Membrane seal it to the wall before tiling.
Silicone the tile line to the tray.
Use solvent weld drain pipes so the only compression fitting you have is the one on the trap (fit a decent quality high flow trap as well).
Either use soldered pipe joints on your water supply, good quality flexible or where you have comp fittings use jointing compound and/or tape/thread.
For flat face unions into shower boxes etc. there’s usually a small gap you can get a metal bonded seal washer into which are rated for high pressures which is worth having as you can tighten them to a full stop without over compressing the seal.
Wonder which channel I’ve been watching before I fitted my shower 🤔
I read all that thinking that I agreed with every word and then got to the end and laughed.
Hi Roger, thanks for a great video. I've got to fit a shower to replace an existing bath. Walls are standard plasterboard. Should I use a tanking kit or put 6mm backing board over the plasterboard. Is the liquid membrane type tanking kit sufficient or would you recommend a waterproof lining paper?
I was always taught to chop baths and showers into the wall (plaster dept) always seemed a good idea to me.
Dave I used to do that too but if it is recessed too much you can't get the enclosure on the footprint. The wall profiles only give limited adjustment.