Fascinating?? They sound dumb, how can u do a video without knowing the product, the SPECS?? They are professional and are trying to figure the product???
@@conradofmc_ny6706 i guess that's exactly what i liked, the spontaneity. it's not a review, they are just talking about it, a conversation, felt nice and honest :)
I'm not an Apple fan. Apple is unabashedly aaaaaall about marketing gimmicks and audacious greed. With that kind of money, I will buy quality and performance, instead. Paaass....
@@modemmark421 I agree with you with marketing gimmicks . but I do own m4, 700, and pandas, under 600 dollars nothing comes close in overall build and sound. I have to give it to apple this time
@@modemmark421 if that's what you think ALLL apple is, then you're a sheep.. these guys just said they had apple products all around. you think these guys fell into gimmicks? no, apple products work well and work easy, which is their selling point
@@zerosumgamez must be sarcasm because it looked the guys were thinking the airpods cost 100 bucks not 600... more expensive than the Amirons, 3x the Momentums, 2x the Aonic..
@@Nik6644 Sorry but I don't see this headphones standing out in quality nor design regarding other 600 dollar headphones, like the Momentuns or the Beyerdinamics which are even cheaper and with a better build. Regarding 100-300 dollar headphones, yes, although the BW's are in the price range..
To my ears these 3rd Gen Air pods are more comfortable compared to the newer Pro version with the soft gel tips. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxgl8SzyQoymMu-S3V55Dskg5QJ8xr1yCR That said, compared to the 3rd Gen, I notice these do not stay planted in the ear as well. One design issue I think, is you squeeze the stem and click it twice to advance your songs. On 3rd gen you tap the large speaker. The difference is by grabbing the stem each time, you tend to loosen the bud fit in your ear. Not always, but the bud falls out a few times while running. The old tap to change never had that problem for me. I would not have changed that tap function. That said, the newer Pro version sticks in the ear, almost airtight if you want that. I do not like that Airtight fit. So that's why I'd stay with this version as the best trade off of comfort, use, and overall feel.
Absolutely not what I expected from the title! THIS IS ELEGANT, EXTREMELY PROFESSIONAL APPROACH ON SOMEONE LOOKING AT OTHERS PRODUCT! I’m subscribing instantly! Honestly I expected a lot of “that’s not high-end” “that’s not PRO” EXTREMELY PROFESSIONAL! there is far to little of this type of content on UA-cam!
@@_Just_an-_Idiot- just one of the crowd with brains - not falling for hysteria.. again, they are rolling the thing in their hand and talking bullshit for 17 minutes, not a single word about the sound though it is a headphone for fs sake..
Those are sound engineers, they hear it they already know how it performs. I dont know their name but the third guy on the left said, they are pretty similar to my sony headphone
I dont think you guys had any idea just how much people wanted guys like you to look into these.. and now i hope you look into a lot more consumer stuff. We all want to hear from people that actually know what here talking about. Guys on UA-cam with millions of followers are just giving uninformed opinions, but have a charm, and in the end no one really takes their opinion that serious. As much as I like the Marquees and the Neistats, they have no actual education on how these things are engineered and what to look for, and it renders their videos on tech reviews nothing more than if i was talking to my buddy about it, which its totally fine and they’re very entertaining at it, hence the numbers.... but sometimes i want to hear what real experts see, specially w expensive stuff, and without all the fanboy undertones.
I think the appeal come from the fact that the overwhelming majority of people purchasing these products have about the same amount, if not less, of knowledge on these types of products. Hearing experts discuss these things is super interesting, but I feel like unless you yourself are an expert, you wouldn’t be able to appreciate what they’re saying even if you were to purchase these headphones for yourself.
@@chillz261 listening to experts is educational .... therefore you’ll know more about what they’re talking after listening to them. In this case they would make you more educated in something, that as you say, you were going to purchase anyway. And if you were on the fence , they’re expert opinion and observation might help you in your decision more than someone like marquee that more or less gives you opinion on the product, but as far as sound being worth the price, he admits he knows little about that.
Ya'll should genuinely start reviewing headphones. Although its a saturated genre, its rare to find such objective and interesting analysis videos that has an engineers eye to it.
I really enjoyed watching premium HP engineers evaluate another product from a build/design perspective. There's tons of YT reviewers out there to give their opinion on sound quality, frequency response, and all the other BT/NC capabilities. But to see the engineering hat evaluation on build quality and technical design is unique. Most in fact none of the YT reviewers can evaluate a product the lens these 3 just did. For everyone asking how they sound there are a dozen reviews out there already or first takes! See DMS and Resolve etc...
I was halfway through the video before I was like, "Wait, ABYSS... Where do I know that name from? Hold on, Isn't that that company that makes those Diana headphones? NO WAY, IT IS." I heard the phi once from a producer friend of mine and my mind was kinda blown from how good they sounded. This was an awesome video especially coming from the people that made that headphone!
@@northdakotabeast1547 Yeah, I noticed that but I didn't think much of them until I noticed they were the Dianas which was when I realized this was that Abyss.
Oh these are luxury headphones made for the average person. Meaning the sound profile is meant for average listening. These are not audiophile headphones. Sound quality is probably just okay. People say it sounds just a tad better than the Bose Headphones 700. But then again I don’t trust regular people since everyone said the AirPods sounded really good and they actually sounded like shit. I sold my pair real quick. Apple doesn’t know how to make audio products just yet so I still wouldn’t buy these for myself. But I’ll try Apple audio products again after a few more years. So far their HomePod and airpods have been the worst audio products I’ve ever used for their price points.
@@Mistygio Super subjective. They have the budget to engineer a headphone that could produce top tier reference sound, but in the end, your average consumer will probably not like it because it will end up just sounding flat.
Been using it for exactly a week now and can only say, those headphones are pretty impressive. I normally use the Focal Elegia for editing and streaming (which can't be replaced by the Apple one, considering the quality with the additional 39$, being terribly BAD!!!!). But otherwise, the comfort is great despite the weight, the sound and the SPATIAL SOUND gives a great experience, especially when you scroll through TikTok for instance, where everybody is using very different time of recording devices, some of them having 3D mode, which is extremely well interpreted by the Airpod max. The Case is ridiculous though. But I've been using it all day long, outside (0°Celsius here in Switzerland), in the office, and can't find much to complain. The connection switch between devices can be enhanced, still doesn't work perfectly, but still way better than the Sony WH1000XM4 (which btw has many issues with delays when used with multiple devices). So, as a conclusion, I can say that the AirpodMax is really worth the price ( only very important points in my opinion: make it Jack compatible for pros, improve the case, improve the impact point where both aluminium size touch when laid flat (scratches easily then). What I love most: the Apple Watch Nob, VERY VERY enjoyable and efficient, Transparency mode is simply amazing and works very well even when turning head, Construction and general quality, absolutely remarkable.
A few things to point out 1. Even if maxed out volume from say your iPhone or Mac , you still need to use the crown to get it to max volume . I somehow realised then when he said they don’t sound loud . Happened with a lot of you tubers , until they found out you had to separately crank it up from the Digital Crown . 2. Low power mode kicks in after 5 min not 2 hours .
Fyi - back with the 2015 round of Macbook redesigns, Apple got really into MiM, metal in metal molding. That's why the band adjustment feels almost oiled, incredibly tight tolerances between the two metal bits.
They’re headphone engineers. They’re not sound engineers. So I don’t expect them to review the sound quality of this product. Great content. Very informative. And overall, I won’t buy this though it’s good but I’ll wait for the next gen. :)
Where's the mention of one of the strongest points - Dolby Atmos/Spatial Music? I think that's where these headphones really shine. The noise reduction works really good compared to other consumer headsets also. They are a bit heavy, but normally that focus goes away shorty after putting them on and listening to the awesome sound that they produce.
15:30 Just last week I got some specks of dust inside my M1 Macbook Pro's screen. I was pretty upset about it. Decided to start a chat with Apple to see what my options were. The guy suggested I ship my Macbook off to them to inspect for me. He sent me a box with prepaid return shipping. I dropped the box off on Wednesday afternoon. Got an e-mail early Thursday letting me know that Apple had received my Macbook. Got my Macbook back the very next day on Friday. They replaced the screen for me, dropped in a new battery, replaced my keyboard, and replaced part of the aluminum case. All covered under warranty. I didn't pay a dime for anything. And I'm still blown away that all this happened in just 2 days! I f'ing LOVE Apple.
You may have had the level limiting activated. Unrestrained they can play very loud. Also, if you stream from Apple Music, you can use all the "canned" EQ presents in Music Settings. Charming review.
Hi guys! Came back to thank you for that video. I watched it before I bought Max. And it's my most enjoyable purchase for few years. Thank a lot for what you doing!
It's kinda funny cuz I've always thought that Abyss makes some of the ugliest looking headphones of all times especially the AB-1266. the . And the Apple headphones are imo one of the most aesthetically pleasing headphones I've seen recently. That being said, I'd be willing to bet that anything in the Abyss lineup would eat Apple's lunch when it comes to audio quality. (The thing that matters most in a headphone.) Comfort being the 2nd.
@@collodionpositive554 yeah, comfort is always #1, with sound quality a close second. This why the airpods Pro's for example are considered better than the Sony ANC earbuds, while they sound worse, they're much more comfortable and actually stay in your ear
Be sure to try the custom audio setup in settings>accessibility>audio/visual>headphone accommodations. It’s a hidden feature. Helped the sound on my Powerbeats Pro a good bit. Going to try on my AirPods Pro also.
Balanced first thoughts approach is interesting. Very easy to automatically talk crap about 'competition' but these guys haven't done that, so kudos to them all 👍🏻
Very good! I like the way you guys immediately notice the design features and drawbacks. That only comes with experience. Good point about the usage as well. I tend to only use over the ear noise cancelling headphones on a flight but Apple neglected to include the cable (it's another $35 or so) which is most useful if you want to watch the built-in tv on the plane. Many thanks.
when they said there is a wire running into the headband, the entire headband itself transfers power from one cup to the other via a terminal connector and brush system. There isn't any "wires" the headband is an adjustable length wire itself.
Its really interesting how fast you picked apart all of the 20 minute reviewers videos where the build takes up like 10 minutes but you guys picked it apart in less than 5
Forgot about “spacial audio” mode.. would be interesting to have your thoughts on that. Not from a high fidelity level, but a technological output. It’s some what impressive on the AirPods Pro.
Yeah i found him interesting as well. His word choices were very detailed and something you don’t hear often now a days. Everyone is lazy to articulate now a days.
These guys needed to try spacial sound. What a miss. That technology is what makes the Apple AirPod pros and the Max special. It’s the software. I think that would surprise them, it’s a really amazing feature.
Watched this review with my AirPods max lol I’m not a full blown audiophile but am fairly particular about height quality sound. The sound quality is really good, but I was honestly hoping for more here. However I think the Bluetooth is the limiting factor. I can say that they sound substantially better than the Sony xm4’s
Thumbed up, but desperately want to know more about sound quality from people of your audio stature. Everything else, design, engineering, practicality was fascinating to watch. Thanks for uploading!
Interesting group…guy on right seems like a former design engineer turned manufacturing engineer because he is looking at the product from every angle cradle to grave, guy in back the experienced one that mostly only knows how to verbalize the aspects that need improvement(which actually says a lot about the product when he’s not able to find many points for improvement), and guy on the left that is probably an electrical engineer because he seems nervous af to be around people and smiles non stop like he’s high af.
I dont believe that shell is fully machined, it would be cast, machined & polished off afterwards before anodizing I think it would be a lot more economical to do that way as well.
AirPodsMax are stylish, elegant, and beautiful. The sound is very good. The Spatial Sound is cool. Would appreciate more ability to fine tune within Spatial Sound; and easy switching between Stereo and Spatial. These Pods work well with Bose and JBL speakers. However, the stainless steel construction rather than titanium makes them heavy on the head. The cheap looking netted headband that looks worse over time has no cushioning and is uncomfortable and headachy for some. Suggest using bubble wrap to cushion the band if discomfort is an issue. For the hefty price, Apple could have done much better in terms of user comfort. I do not plan to upgrade due to the head band issue. Discerning audiophiles like the option to cord connect to speakers. Thankfully, Apple has a cord that you can buy separately that can connect these Pods by Jack or Aux port to Studio type speakers. You may need an adapter. Other great studio type headphones with incredible sound used by audiophiles, studio techs, and musicians are made in Germany and Italy. A few are cheaper than Apple with comfortable head bands. If you are invested in the Apple universe, and have compatible speakers, then buy these. Everyone should have more than 1 pair of headphones.
Apparently not for people who use headphones daily cause you'd need to go through charge-hell to keep it charged just to use it, cause you can't even use it passively like a normal piece of a/v equipment.
Air pods max for gaming I have seen basically stick on mic that has a usb adaptation to the Xbox and is wireless also give the maxes another uses besides traveling Thoughts, because then good gaming headsets are 300 to 400 the maxes can be found now for 50 to 100 dollars less
A good ‘*chip on the shoulder’ review from “the three…xxxxxx” (you decide) For me, it’s ‘*mengineers’… *chip… barely touched on the H1…, is what is needed to delve into modern digital advancements such as spatial audio, machine learning as it pertains to sound as a parallel, evolved the photography & film industry. Seems to me
premium build, which shouts APPLE the weight is abit higher than expected, but it is so well distributed, that I cannot complain I love spatial audio and instrument separation while using them my main complain(s): 1. case 2. not really portable. I mean that I don't feel comfortable carrying it around. I use them at home only
So smart of you guys to do this video. Many apple people will visit and learn about Abyss in the process. Would love to see more videos like this. Can you do a deep dive into the sound quality.
i had a problem with them hitting at the bottom, but its hitting the same material. the question is, is the material strong enough to scratch itself? Now thats a good question
I'll take plasticky feel in exchange for a decent driver and actual good tuning every time. My reaction after using a pair of these for about an hour (admittedly very short) bouncing around to various genres was just an eyebrow raise. Sure, it feels premium, but my KPH30i's sound better...for 20 bucks. There's a cable, they're made of plastic, and they're also semi-open on ears. I could say my AKG K361's also sound a lot better...for 1/5th the price. Again, that's wired, I didn't even want to give the BT ones a chance. If we're going strictly wireless, then a pair of Drop Pandas were better, definitely with EQ... That's not entirely fair since EQ is impossible to do on an iPhone at the OS level (unless there's a jailbreak option, haven't checked cydia or other jailbroken app platforms out in years). Worth pointing out, the early ones had build quality problems with all kinds of failures/bugs popping up. Most of the people I've seen having these problems get back "Go to an Apple Store" when asking Apple. That may be hundreds of miles or further for a lot of people; not really practical. KOSS has a better warranty on their 20-30 plastic headphones designed to be used hard than Apple on 500+ headphones apparently.
Now its clear from these reliable engineers buying Airpods max is worth the price…I get rid some of my competing known brand headphones and bought this headphone without regret and have peace of mind….much enjoying and looking forward to upgrade the incoming max….thank you so much such excellent reviews guys!❤❤❤
It probably depends on what part of the headphone you contribute. And that would align with the fact that they have 3 engineers talking. There is sound engineering, probably mostly derived from mechanical engineering with specialization in vibrations and acoustics to adjust shapes and sizes of components to tune the oscilation and sound wave interferences and such. Electrical engineering that deals with the powering, build of the coils and their specs, and the other things like batteries and such, if applicable. And mechanical enginnering specialized in manufacturing, where you figure out how to actually build the parts, how to integrate the parts with each other, test their strength and durability, manufacturing tolerances (deviation from design sizes that are acceptable for the final product). Not sure about thus, but this is my best guess.
it would really interesting that you guys reverse engeiner or see how you could make better the idea of Ath Dsr7bt and Dsr9bt from Audio Technica. They are 2017 models that have been stop from production. The thing though is the technology they use is unique and no other compagnies tried similar pure digital structure. it was a partnership with dnote but it didnt work like they expected and abandoned the idea...
it is true what they say though from ther prospective its a very well engineered device, the price tag didnt' shock them because most headphones at this level details woudl be priced about that, its not for the regular consumer its for someone that wants to pay for something luxuary, They did with with Apple watch when it first came out. Apples first Gen products usually are over engineered with nothing held back then they start to redesign cheaper products but they try to give people something that WOW''s the market that stands out, and Airpods max really does stand out people will remember them.
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These guys passing around a pair of headphones like it’s a joint 😂
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Shut up kid
Hahahaha I was thinking the same 😂
LoL! Now I can't get this out of my head. Good one!
Hahahaha 😂🤣
i want these guys to review my fridge or really anything, so fascinating to listen
Me second!
Rediculess case
These guys are great
Fascinating?? They sound dumb, how can u do a video without knowing the product, the SPECS?? They are professional and are trying to figure the product???
@@conradofmc_ny6706 i guess that's exactly what i liked, the spontaneity. it's not a review, they are just talking about it, a conversation, felt nice and honest :)
‘I do like the screws inside. The screws are nice, Apple always uses nice fasteners’ - my thought exactly when checking out new headphones 😂😂
"oh look, proprietary screws so normal people can't open it easily"
I read this comment exactly at the moment of the video. It was sort of freaky haha
@@GabeSanchez im guessing these kinds of things started happening a whole lot more since then?
I love how engineers speak:
It's weighty, but not heavy
Yeah they balanced it out
Yeah they're well balanced
277 likes and no comments... ok
I'm not an Apple fan. Apple is unabashedly aaaaaall about marketing gimmicks and audacious greed. With that kind of money, I will buy quality and performance, instead.
Paaass....
@@modemmark421 I agree with you with marketing gimmicks . but I do own m4, 700, and pandas, under 600 dollars nothing comes close in overall build and sound. I have to give it to apple this time
@@modemmark421 if that's what you think ALLL apple is, then you're a sheep.. these guys just said they had apple products all around. you think these guys fell into gimmicks? no, apple products work well and work easy, which is their selling point
@@edwardbonjovi9336 Thank you. I am glad you like Apple products; they have "electrolytes", "it's what plants crave".
Easily the MOST objective review of any product ever. Very fascinating to listen to the analysis.
Usually the review is from the consumer point of view of course
I sensed a little bit of sarcasm with the word "MOST" there, I agree with you.
@@zerosumgamez must be sarcasm because it looked the guys were thinking the airpods cost 100 bucks not 600... more expensive than the Amirons, 3x the Momentums, 2x the Aonic..
@@josearaujo8616 they talked about the price though
@@Nik6644 Sorry but I don't see this headphones standing out in quality nor design regarding other 600 dollar headphones, like the Momentuns or the Beyerdinamics which are even cheaper and with a better build.
Regarding 100-300 dollar headphones, yes, although the BW's are in the price range..
To my ears these 3rd Gen Air pods are more comfortable compared to the newer Pro version with the soft gel tips. ua-cam.com/users/postUgkxgl8SzyQoymMu-S3V55Dskg5QJ8xr1yCR That said, compared to the 3rd Gen, I notice these do not stay planted in the ear as well. One design issue I think, is you squeeze the stem and click it twice to advance your songs. On 3rd gen you tap the large speaker. The difference is by grabbing the stem each time, you tend to loosen the bud fit in your ear. Not always, but the bud falls out a few times while running. The old tap to change never had that problem for me. I would not have changed that tap function. That said, the newer Pro version sticks in the ear, almost airtight if you want that. I do not like that Airtight fit. So that's why I'd stay with this version as the best trade off of comfort, use, and overall feel.
Absolutely not what I expected from the title! THIS IS ELEGANT, EXTREMELY PROFESSIONAL APPROACH ON SOMEONE LOOKING AT OTHERS PRODUCT! I’m subscribing instantly! Honestly I expected a lot of “that’s not high-end” “that’s not PRO” EXTREMELY PROFESSIONAL! there is far to little of this type of content on UA-cam!
Yeah that's cause they are audio engineers and not audiophiles.
@@dayman888 they're headphones engineers. Sounds kind-of similar but it's not the same
That's because this is marketing, not a review. How much are they talking about sound at all?
@@gezasereny6126 they aren't marketing anything, what are you talking about?
@@_Just_an-_Idiot- just one of the crowd with brains - not falling for hysteria.. again, they are rolling the thing in their hand and talking bullshit for 17 minutes, not a single word about the sound though it is a headphone for fs sake..
This is the kind of video I was looking for, to have pro audio engineers review this product.
They seem to be hardware engineers, not sound design ones. Still an interesting video
Check out snazzy labs , He’s an audiophile and does reviews ... I think these are hardware engineers...
@@ratonbox they have their own headphone brand called abyss that makes ultra hi end headphones
Was hoping for an evaluation on the sound performance as well. Bummer!
Those are sound engineers, they hear it they already know how it performs.
I dont know their name but the third guy on the left said, they are pretty similar to my sony headphone
Wait for back grounds
Dankpods
@@levynkhs8820 that and “warm.” But nothing else?
Thank you for saving me 17 minutes.
Spoiler Alert! They don’t talk about sound quality.
Ikr how dumb is that.
Thank u for saving my time!
Are they scared to talk about sound quality?
How strange
You just saved me 17 minutes. Thanks.
Why is Spider-Man sitting there talking about AirPods?
At least say Peter Parker.. Gheez
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Dude I thought I was the only one who thought that
These confirms a spiderverse😂😂😂😂
I dont think you guys had any idea just how much people wanted guys like you to look into these.. and now i hope you look into a lot more consumer stuff. We all want to hear from people that actually know what here talking about. Guys on UA-cam with millions of followers are just giving uninformed opinions, but have a charm, and in the end no one really takes their opinion that serious. As much as I like the Marquees and the Neistats, they have no actual education on how these things are engineered and what to look for, and it renders their videos on tech reviews nothing more than if i was talking to my buddy about it, which its totally fine and they’re very entertaining at it, hence the numbers.... but sometimes i want to hear what real experts see, specially w expensive stuff, and without all the fanboy undertones.
I think the appeal come from the fact that the overwhelming majority of people purchasing these products have about the same amount, if not less, of knowledge on these types of products. Hearing experts discuss these things is super interesting, but I feel like unless you yourself are an expert, you wouldn’t be able to appreciate what they’re saying even if you were to purchase these headphones for yourself.
@@chillz261 listening to experts is educational .... therefore you’ll know more about what they’re talking after listening to them. In this case they would make you more educated in something, that as you say, you were going to purchase anyway. And if you were on the fence , they’re expert opinion and observation might help you in your decision more than someone like marquee that more or less gives you opinion on the product, but as far as sound being worth the price, he admits he knows little about that.
Both you guys have good points! It's also really refreshing to read good comments like these under a tech video.
Here here 👊🏾👍🏾
Watch the channel “This is Tech Today” the guy is a sound engineer and did a good review on the headphones
You guys could easily do hundreds of these videos on nearly anything you want and viewers would LOVE IT.
Ya'll should genuinely start reviewing headphones. Although its a saturated genre, its rare to find such objective and interesting analysis videos that has an engineers eye to it.
Refreshing to see a company being civilised and professional in such a scenario. Tells a lot about about Abyss.
So cool to hear people talk professionally. No flaming, no bullshit, just overall very precise and objective terms. Extremely interesting video.
I really enjoyed watching premium HP engineers evaluate another product from a build/design perspective. There's tons of YT reviewers out there to give their opinion on sound quality, frequency response, and all the other BT/NC capabilities. But to see the engineering hat evaluation on build quality and technical design is unique. Most in fact none of the YT reviewers can evaluate a product the lens these 3 just did. For everyone asking how they sound there are a dozen reviews out there already or first takes! See DMS and Resolve etc...
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I was halfway through the video before I was like, "Wait, ABYSS... Where do I know that name from? Hold on, Isn't that that company that makes those Diana headphones? NO WAY, IT IS." I heard the phi once from a producer friend of mine and my mind was kinda blown from how good they sounded. This was an awesome video especially coming from the people that made that headphone!
Dude their headphones are literally on display behind them...... Captain Oblivious LOL
@@northdakotabeast1547 Yeah, I noticed that but I didn't think much of them until I noticed they were the Dianas which was when I realized this was that Abyss.
@@northdakotabeast1547 Captain Oblivious RFLMAO
Yeah 3,5K for headphones
What a great first take on a product. Feels genuine. You guys make a great team together. Keep those videos coming!
I love the comments on the materials & the design but I was really hoping that they'd talk about the tuning & the sonics.
Oh these are luxury headphones made for the average person. Meaning the sound profile is meant for average listening. These are not audiophile headphones. Sound quality is probably just okay. People say it sounds just a tad better than the Bose Headphones 700. But then again I don’t trust regular people since everyone said the AirPods sounded really good and they actually sounded like shit. I sold my pair real quick. Apple doesn’t know how to make audio products just yet so I still wouldn’t buy these for myself. But I’ll try Apple audio products again after a few more years. So far their HomePod and airpods have been the worst audio products I’ve ever used for their price points.
As i said its very subjective. Maybe one can talk about resolution, maybe staging, but again its very subjective
@@Mistygio Super subjective. They have the budget to engineer a headphone that could produce top tier reference sound, but in the end, your average consumer will probably not like it because it will end up just sounding flat.
Been using it for exactly a week now and can only say, those headphones are pretty impressive.
I normally use the Focal Elegia for editing and streaming (which can't be replaced by the Apple one, considering the quality with the additional 39$, being terribly BAD!!!!).
But otherwise, the comfort is great despite the weight, the sound and the SPATIAL SOUND gives a great experience, especially when you scroll through TikTok for instance, where everybody is using very different time of recording devices, some of them having 3D mode, which is extremely well interpreted by the Airpod max.
The Case is ridiculous though. But I've been using it all day long, outside (0°Celsius here in Switzerland), in the office, and can't find much to complain.
The connection switch between devices can be enhanced, still doesn't work perfectly, but still way better than the Sony WH1000XM4 (which btw has many issues with delays when used with multiple devices).
So, as a conclusion, I can say that the AirpodMax is really worth the price ( only very important points in my opinion: make it Jack compatible for pros, improve the case, improve the impact point where both aluminium size touch when laid flat (scratches easily then).
What I love most: the Apple Watch Nob, VERY VERY enjoyable and efficient, Transparency mode is simply amazing and works very well even when turning head, Construction and general quality, absolutely remarkable.
Really fun video guys. Thanks for doing this.
I love listening to people looking at things they’re passionate and knowledgeable about,super fascinating.
A few things to point out
1. Even if maxed out volume from say your iPhone or Mac , you still need to use the crown to get it to max volume . I somehow realised then when he said they don’t sound loud . Happened with a lot of you tubers , until they found out you had to separately crank it up from the Digital Crown .
2. Low power mode kicks in after 5 min not 2 hours .
Steve Jobs was a serious music listener, loud impedance iPod, digital music store pioneer, inspired from Sony Japan
I miss Steve.
Fascinating design review. How do they sound?
Why would you want to know how they sound?Please don't tell me you buy headphones for the sound.😉
Fuckin’ engineers.
Engineers, very refreshing
Is a wireless anc headphones that cost only 500, all this things needs to do is to play sound and cancel noise. Don’t except those to sound good
Lack of detail, not hi res and low volume i guest.
Very polite of them regarding the audio quality and latency, I would have hammered them on that.
I really like the design. They’re subtle and really durable. I can’t wait to get them
Fyi - back with the 2015 round of Macbook redesigns, Apple got really into MiM, metal in metal molding. That's why the band adjustment feels almost oiled, incredibly tight tolerances between the two metal bits.
Definitely heard DMS talking in the background there.
Yeah i was like "hmm I know that voice"
Well that is DMS he works for Abyss
They’re headphone engineers. They’re not sound engineers. So I don’t expect them to review the sound quality of this product. Great content. Very informative. And overall, I won’t buy this though it’s good but I’ll wait for the next gen. :)
Where's the mention of one of the strongest points - Dolby Atmos/Spatial Music? I think that's where these headphones really shine. The noise reduction works really good compared to other consumer headsets also. They are a bit heavy, but normally that focus goes away shorty after putting them on and listening to the awesome sound that they produce.
This is what I imagine the inside of DMS's head sounds like
Great video!
15:30
Just last week I got some specks of dust inside my M1 Macbook Pro's screen. I was pretty upset about it. Decided to start a chat with Apple to see what my options were.
The guy suggested I ship my Macbook off to them to inspect for me. He sent me a box with prepaid return shipping.
I dropped the box off on Wednesday afternoon. Got an e-mail early Thursday letting me know that Apple had received my Macbook.
Got my Macbook back the very next day on Friday.
They replaced the screen for me, dropped in a new battery, replaced my keyboard, and replaced part of the aluminum case.
All covered under warranty. I didn't pay a dime for anything.
And I'm still blown away that all this happened in just 2 days!
I f'ing LOVE Apple.
The Digital Crown button on the top will further increase the volume while you’re connected to your Mac. That’s why it sounds low ..
Not a word on sound quality? Okay.
They probably don't want to say anything negative in case Apple blacklists someone.
@@zahidibk You're right! I was kind of joking around anyway, but yeah...
Conflict of Interest
At a 550 range dont expect the sound to be bad.
They’re hardware engineers I think... So, they mainly talk abt the design and stuff
You may have had the level limiting activated. Unrestrained they can play very loud. Also, if you stream from Apple Music, you can use all the "canned" EQ presents in Music Settings. Charming review.
Very clever and creative
idea to have audio engineers giving their first impressions.
Hi guys! Came back to thank you for that video. I watched it before I bought Max. And it's my most enjoyable purchase for few years. Thank a lot for what you doing!
There’s actually no wire running through the headband. They pass electrical signals through the solid steel.
It's kinda funny cuz I've always thought that Abyss makes some of the ugliest looking headphones of all times especially the AB-1266. the . And the Apple headphones are imo one of the most aesthetically pleasing headphones I've seen recently. That being said, I'd be willing to bet that anything in the Abyss lineup would eat Apple's lunch when it comes to audio quality. (The thing that matters most in a headphone.) Comfort being the 2nd.
I would say comfort, features then sound being most important in a consumer headphones
@@collodionpositive554 yeah, comfort is always #1, with sound quality a close second. This why the airpods Pro's for example are considered better than the Sony ANC earbuds, while they sound worse, they're much more comfortable and actually stay in your ear
Yes sound being #1 most important factor in a headphone.
Be sure to try the custom audio setup in settings>accessibility>audio/visual>headphone accommodations. It’s a hidden feature. Helped the sound on my Powerbeats Pro a good bit. Going to try on my AirPods Pro also.
Adds all this white noise to the signal. I used it for a day and had to switch back.
Balanced first thoughts approach is interesting. Very easy to automatically talk crap about 'competition' but these guys haven't done that, so kudos to them all 👍🏻
Probably don't even consider these competition, completely different customer bases.
Very good! I like the way you guys immediately notice the design features and drawbacks. That only comes with experience. Good point about the usage as well. I tend to only use over the ear noise cancelling headphones on a flight but Apple neglected to include the cable (it's another $35 or so) which is most useful if you want to watch the built-in tv on the plane. Many thanks.
The most intelligent conversation and feedback I’ve heard about these. Love it!
We need more reviews like this on the internet!
at wired time Bluetooth on / off
does *airpods max* microphone works??
please reply...
when they said there is a wire running into the headband, the entire headband itself transfers power from one cup to the other via a terminal connector and brush system. There isn't any "wires" the headband is an adjustable length wire itself.
Its really interesting how fast you picked apart all of the 20 minute reviewers videos where the build takes up like 10 minutes but you guys picked it apart in less than 5
I didn't know that Douglas is DMS' Name.. 😁
It's like watching Rain Man x3 talk about headphones.
It's definitely wet
Forgot about “spacial audio” mode.. would be interesting to have your thoughts on that. Not from a high fidelity level, but a technological output. It’s some what impressive on the AirPods Pro.
binaural audio can be reproduced with any headphones :)
I need to know who the guy with glasses is... and im also hopping that he has a podcast or something.
Yeah i found him interesting as well. His word choices were very detailed and something you don’t hear often now a days. Everyone is lazy to articulate now a days.
These guys needed to try spacial sound. What a miss. That technology is what makes the Apple
AirPod pros and the Max special. It’s the software. I think that would surprise them, it’s a really amazing feature.
You should make a wireless AB-1266 with a WA33 that you wear on your back
Watched this review with my AirPods max lol I’m not a full blown audiophile but am fairly particular about height quality sound. The sound quality is really good, but I was honestly hoping for more here. However I think the Bluetooth is the limiting factor. I can say that they sound substantially better than the Sony xm4’s
But louder? Changing the sound in accessibility make a difference!? Thanks
I just picked up a pair of these and I love them.
Ya didn’t talk about the spatialization or the gyroscopes built in!
it's actually fascinating how intelligently they speak about all of this. awesome video!
when first question the guy said the ear cup can be installed upside down, I know the guy is the real deal. Real inspector.
One thing is for sure, this will be the most watched video of yours :)
Apple should triple the AirPods Max weight, add a silver $2,000 cable and offer the package as an Abyss 1266 companion at $4,999
Love these guys take. Meanwhile the crew at iFixit are like “when will we be taking apart next year’s AirPods Max Pro.”
Thumbed up, but desperately want to know more about sound quality from people of your audio stature. Everything else, design, engineering, practicality was fascinating to watch. Thanks for uploading!
Such a down to earth conversation! I really enjoyed it!
Interesting group…guy on right seems like a former design engineer turned manufacturing engineer because he is looking at the product from every angle cradle to grave, guy in back the experienced one that mostly only knows how to verbalize the aspects that need improvement(which actually says a lot about the product when he’s not able to find many points for improvement), and guy on the left that is probably an electrical engineer because he seems nervous af to be around people and smiles non stop like he’s high af.
Got mine today and they are AWESOME!!!!!!
A little surprised they didn't discuss or consider features like spatial audio.... I would have liked to hear their opinion.
I dont believe that shell is fully machined, it would be cast, machined & polished off afterwards before anodizing I think it would be a lot more economical to do that way as well.
4:30 "nice screws" hahahah I love watching engineers' brains work
AirPodsMax are stylish, elegant, and beautiful. The sound is very good. The Spatial Sound is cool. Would appreciate more ability to fine tune within Spatial Sound; and easy switching between Stereo and Spatial. These Pods work well with Bose and JBL speakers. However, the stainless steel construction rather than titanium makes them heavy on the head. The cheap looking netted headband that looks worse over time has no cushioning and is uncomfortable and headachy for some. Suggest using bubble wrap to cushion the band if discomfort is an issue. For the hefty price, Apple could have done much better in terms of user comfort. I do not plan to upgrade due to the head band issue. Discerning audiophiles like the option to cord connect to speakers. Thankfully, Apple has a cord that you can buy separately that can connect these Pods by Jack or Aux port to Studio type speakers. You may need an adapter. Other great studio type headphones with incredible sound used by audiophiles, studio techs, and musicians are made in Germany and Italy. A few are cheaper than Apple with comfortable head bands. If you are invested in the Apple universe, and have compatible speakers, then buy these. Everyone should have more than 1 pair of headphones.
Wonder what they think about the 3D audio, Dolby Atmos, Lossless Audio and head tracking
Apparently not for people who use headphones daily cause you'd need to go through charge-hell to keep it charged just to use it, cause you can't even use it passively like a normal piece of a/v equipment.
Air pods max for gaming
I have seen basically stick on mic that has a usb adaptation to the Xbox and is wireless also give the maxes another uses besides traveling
Thoughts, because then good gaming headsets are 300 to 400 the maxes can be found now for 50 to 100 dollars less
Really refreshing feedbacks and comments from a perspective that's not heard much about, fantastic : )
A good ‘*chip on the shoulder’ review from “the three…xxxxxx” (you decide) For me, it’s ‘*mengineers’… *chip… barely touched on the H1…, is what is needed to delve into modern digital advancements such as spatial audio, machine learning as it pertains to sound as a parallel, evolved the photography & film industry. Seems to me
Could you do a teardown of these and analyze further the construction?
The kind of video you don’t know you need but you actually need. Loved watching this video
premium build, which shouts APPLE
the weight is abit higher than expected, but it is so well distributed, that I cannot complain
I love spatial audio and instrument separation while using them
my main complain(s):
1. case
2. not really portable. I mean that I don't feel comfortable carrying it around. I use them at home only
So smart of you guys to do this video. Many apple people will visit and learn about Abyss in the process. Would love to see more videos like this. Can you do a deep dive into the sound quality.
So these three gentlemen are the ABYSS Watchers from that famous videogame?
They actually use wifi (airplay) for lossless communication between the mac/iphone and the airpods
i had a problem with them hitting at the bottom, but its hitting the same material. the question is, is the material strong enough to scratch itself? Now thats a good question
The laid back feel of this channel, I’m subscribing
There are settings on mac that limit the loudness!! Check that out and try again!
I'll take plasticky feel in exchange for a decent driver and actual good tuning every time. My reaction after using a pair of these for about an hour (admittedly very short) bouncing around to various genres was just an eyebrow raise. Sure, it feels premium, but my KPH30i's sound better...for 20 bucks. There's a cable, they're made of plastic, and they're also semi-open on ears. I could say my AKG K361's also sound a lot better...for 1/5th the price. Again, that's wired, I didn't even want to give the BT ones a chance. If we're going strictly wireless, then a pair of Drop Pandas were better, definitely with EQ... That's not entirely fair since EQ is impossible to do on an iPhone at the OS level (unless there's a jailbreak option, haven't checked cydia or other jailbroken app platforms out in years).
Worth pointing out, the early ones had build quality problems with all kinds of failures/bugs popping up. Most of the people I've seen having these problems get back "Go to an Apple Store" when asking Apple. That may be hundreds of miles or further for a lot of people; not really practical. KOSS has a better warranty on their 20-30 plastic headphones designed to be used hard than Apple on 500+ headphones apparently.
It's like inspecting on a watch. Thanks for sharing and your perspective. Love it!
Now its clear from these reliable engineers buying Airpods max is worth the price…I get rid some of my competing known brand headphones and bought this headphone without regret and have peace of mind….much enjoying and looking forward to upgrade the incoming max….thank you so much such excellent reviews guys!❤❤❤
Headphones are great however there should be a way to use them corded when the battery dies. I bought a cable they said would work it doesn’t
I need these guys to review everything. I love it! Thanks for sharing this content.
Got me a pair and I think they sound amazing, but I’m also coming from beats so idk I think it’s quite the step up
Would LOVE to see about these now with Spatial Audio
When you say headphone engr, what’s the educ background/course to take? Thanks
probably audio engineers or something similar? im not so aknowledged in the topic though
Industrial engineer probably, its just basically designing for the industry, Im not sure that headphone engineer exists as an educational background.
It probably depends on what part of the headphone you contribute. And that would align with the fact that they have 3 engineers talking. There is sound engineering, probably mostly derived from mechanical engineering with specialization in vibrations and acoustics to adjust shapes and sizes of components to tune the oscilation and sound wave interferences and such. Electrical engineering that deals with the powering, build of the coils and their specs, and the other things like batteries and such, if applicable. And mechanical enginnering specialized in manufacturing, where you figure out how to actually build the parts, how to integrate the parts with each other, test their strength and durability, manufacturing tolerances (deviation from design sizes that are acceptable for the final product). Not sure about thus, but this is my best guess.
it would really interesting that you guys reverse engeiner or see how you could make better the idea of Ath Dsr7bt and Dsr9bt from Audio Technica.
They are 2017 models that have been stop from production. The thing though is the technology they use is unique and no other compagnies tried similar pure digital structure. it was a partnership with dnote but it didnt work like they expected and abandoned the idea...
Bummer that they didn’t disassemble them and talked about the real interesting stuff that you find inside
“It’s not stamped, it wouldn’t be practical”
“But also a milling bit couldn’t get into those contours”
What camera does the Abyss team use?
The video is SUPER CRISP
I know I’m getting old I watched this video and enjoyed it too it’s entirety. Good stuff
Watching now that I know how each side is powered, there is no lead in the headband. They use contacts like how AirPods charge in the case.
it is true what they say though from ther prospective its a very well engineered device, the price tag didnt' shock them because most headphones at this level details woudl be priced about that, its not for the regular consumer its for someone that wants to pay for something luxuary, They did with with Apple watch when it first came out. Apples first Gen products usually are over engineered with nothing held back then they start to redesign cheaper products but they try to give people something that WOW''s the market that stands out, and Airpods max really does stand out people will remember them.