I'll never understand the people who miss the point of " academia " being in the title of the show and find this regular school-ish arcs boring , pointless, or unlikable
Forreal. Even if it's not the most important arc in terms of character progression, I can't help but love the Culture Festival arc in season 4. And the Joint Training Arc in season 5 is a ton of fun.
@@adamyoung6797 So, you want pure plot. I think filler is important too. It sets up the world better, gives you interaction between characters, helps you understand their motives and generally gets you more invested in the world and the characters. Pure plot won't get you to remember a series or a film, it's just stuff that happens and then you turn on another show or film and forget about what happened in the one before. You have to have both for a story to be entertaining and rememberable
I think it’s interesting that Montana pointed out that this exam didn’t seem fair because they were each taking a different test. However, they were all being taught different skills. To give them all the same test would be unfair because they’ve all been learning a different set of skills.
I dont like the idea of everyone fighting the same "enemy" for the exam. It is like grading a fish, an elephant and a monkey on their skill to climb a tree. This exam is customized to the students to overcome some of their specific weakness. So yes, the fights seem unfair but the goal is the same for everyone.
@@ROOKI3LINKX I think that's exactly what they meant. I don't think op has an issue with how the exam was conducted and rather, was explaining how having them all face the same "enemy" would not have worked since that seems to be what Montana would've wanted to see or thinks would've been best.
I agree with you. This is one of my favorite quotes: Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree. It will live its whole live thinking it's stupid. From Einstein I believe.
aizawas first words to the class was life isnt fair, villians and natural disasters arent going to wait. it makes sense because failure in their line of work is death, DEATH; peoples lives are on the line and excellency is required to save the day
@nuhrii3449 exactly that's why I don't like the people who give bakugo hate for going all out against uraraka. Was she trying to kill him? No. But he realizes what their training for and treated her with the same standard he would anyone else. Of class1A I think he's the one who understands things best. The world and villains aren't going to go easy on them so why train half assed. You have to push yourself to be better than you were yesterday and kid gloves won't do that
You might think that Kirishima and Sato were at an even greater disadvantage because they went first and therefore had less time to prepare and couldn't watch any other matches. This detail was actually changed for the anime. In the manga, everyone took their final exam simultaneously.
Nah Montana, have to agree with Kenny on this. While it is true there are villains whose quirks are unknowable, there are also well known villains with known quirks and heroes stay on top of that information and take it into account when approaching and fighting them. And if the students can not capture the teacher, then they should run away and a tactical retreat is necessary and an important lesson. Iida, Midoriya nad Todoroki learnt this the hard way, especially Iida. The students need to figure out which option is better for them and which is better against the teacher. The teacher of course isnt going to simply let themselves be handcuffed nor just let them run away, but even if just one of the students escapes, its a success, and even if for a moment one of the teachers hands is handcuffed, its a success. The teachers are also wearing weights to make it harder for them to run after the students and fight them - as Kenny said, it levels the playing field. When up against villains, there is no graded attempt, you either survive or you dont and thats what they are being prepared for.
this more-or-less reminds me of that scene in Harry Potter: Order of The Phoenix where Harry explains the massive difference between being taught defense against the dark arts and real life consequences when you're ACTUALLY facing them.
I think the question of the exam's fairness is an interesting one, because while it's not equal - like everyone fighting the same person, or everyone knowing nothing of their opponent - it is *equitable* in that the matches are tailored to force everyone to confront their personal weaknesses and improve. If they were to have the same cookie-cutter fight, there's no guarantee that these personal faults (quirk stamina, quick decision-making, taking lead vs letting someone else guide you, creative planning, etc.) would be fixed, let alone recognized by the students
Losing or being unable to stop a villain in the real world results in death of yourself or innocents. You dont get a grey area you practice how you play thats just basics of learning something
Also endeavor can't stand all might in a similar way to bakugo and deku but I promise you Endeavor would team with him in the field to stop a villain and save people. Calling something unfair when training for life or death is silly and childish thinking
I don’t think Montana understands what these students are being prepared for. They’re essentially being trained to become soldiers. “Fair” tests are irrelevant. No villain is going to care if a matchup isn’t “Fair” so why would they teach them in that way?
I think Montana finds it unfair mainly not because of how the pairs or their opponents skill lvls and/ or compatibilities are. But because the "passing criteria" of "win or escape" against someone who is supposed to be above or beyond their lvl that any of those options should be impossible is unfair, the fair "passing criteria" should be how well you adapt and try to overcome all the unsurmountable hurdles student has against a pro-level individual.
24:15 Always thought Tsu being specifically surprised that Kirishima failed is a great touch. Unfortunately it was never really focused on but Kirishima was #2 in the entrance exams, only being beaten by Bakugo. Thats a pretty huge testament to his abilities. Of course he's still a himbo so.. RIP in this specific exam lmao
Welcome to one of my long standing favorite arcs of this show. As I’m sure you’ve realized, I got my thinking hat on already for this one. So this episode might just be one of the smartest in the entire show. And it goes to show how meticulously planned these tests are. The sports fest weeded out their weaknesses and their internships had them address their weaknesses and learn to make them better rounded. Their finals? Directly in line with what they’ve learned and progressed. And they tell us their midterm scores because that plays just as much a part. There is no carrying in these tests. And there’s a number of clues in their midterm scores so here’s the order. 1. Momo Yaoyorozu 2. Tenya Iida 3. Katsuki Bakugo 4. Izuku Midoriya (this is a LONG way from last in Aizawa’s 1st class) 5. Shoto Todoroki 6. Tsu Asui 7. Kyoka Jiro 8. Mashirao Ojiro (falling behind my foot!) 9. Minoru Mineta 10. Mezo Shoji 11. Koji Koda 12. Rikido Sato 13. Ochaco Uraraka 14. Fumikage Tokoyami 15. Ejiro Kirishima 16. Toru Hagakure 17. Hanta Sero 18. Yuga Aoyama 19. Mina Ashido 20. Denki Kaminari As you can imagine each test is DELIBERATELY designed by the teachers. They give you the CHOICE of capturing or running, but the truth is the teacher is deliberately trying to force one. And if you choose the wrong one of the two, the hero will go all out making it MUCH harder to win. And to these kids, nigh impossible. Heroes have had decades to iron out their weaknesses and are just MEANT to seem indestructible because they are 1 person keeping entire areas safe from criminals, violence, disasters, and just unrest. There is nothing for the kids to exploit as 1st years. Unless the teachers make a VERY specific path to win by forcing the kids to address their weaknesses they have been learning to overcome in internships. These are glorified mouse mazes with one exit. Some kids are specifically targeted. And you very clearly didn’t figure out the majority of them already. You get a target on your back for misbehavior, or just not trying hard enough. But you can get the idea of what each test is going for in the scenes prior to the teacher fight reveal. And 2 tests of the 10, are quite DELIBERATELY planned to be impossible. I won’t say which ones, but these 2 tests have a VERY different circumstance from the others. The more you think about it, the more you realize that capturing and escaping were NEVER on table. And before I start getting into test designs, I need to draw attention to this scene. Kirishima: Maybe I should study with Momo. Right? Bakugo: You think I’m not good enough? Maybe I’ll beat the information into your skull. Kirishima: I’m counting on it. Bakugo: Fulfills his promise hitting Kirishima with a magazine over and over and screaming at him while they study. Kirishima: I have regrets on that decision. Once again this show has DOZENS of little nuggets like this and they are all hilarious or just fantastic details. Ok so I’ll be going over each test design the teacher is going through like this: Cementoss vs Kirishima (15) and Sato (12) Target: Neither Intended Victory: Capture So Kirishima learned from Fourth-Kind and was actively learning how to expand his mindset and picking and choosing when the direct path is best. Knowing Sato’s quirk, I assume he learned similarly. They both prefer the head on approach so Cementoss won’t let them simply take their preferred route. Now you can’t run from a guy who makes walls spawn everywhere from the ground. And Cementoss at no point in this fight makes any move at all. He just chills in one spot. So capture WAS the correct answer. But you need to choose when and where to pick the direct path. If you noticed, there were gaps in between every wall. They could have simply gone around or heck, climbed on top. I imagine Cementoss would have made walls covering the whole street as they got closer and they’d HAVE to breakthrough. But noooo, the kids decided not to bust down a few walls, they decided to GO OUT OF THEIR WAY and break EVERY WALL. ALL of them. They didn’t even leave ones more out of their direct path alone. Which is directly against the point. So Cementoss just kept on going til they ran out of steam. And the MOMENT they did, he IMMEDIATELY rendered them both unconscious. (And I presume Cementoss would’ve just pinned them from the start if they tried to run for the exit.) Test: Failed. I’ll be doing it this way for every test because they ALL have this kind of design. Even the impossible ones are forcing very specific results. And I won’t cover any that are not finished. So we’ll wait til next time to talk about Ectoplasm vs Tsu and Tokoyami. But the fact they are THIS well planned out for ALL of them, is why until quite recently, this was my favorite arc in MHA. I can’t get enough of this one. And it contains my favorite fight in the season to top it off. Not Deku vs Todoroki, not Stain vs the kids. It’s one of these. And they use EVERY environment in the school which sets it apart from other training arcs in 1 location. And this approach would also improve other arcs. I wish the sports festival used more environments and it could have made some battles more evenly matched, I wish 1 other arc would have done this too. It would’ve been VERY helpful. But at least they did it here! Next time we just got more tests!
I was honestly more impressed with some of the results from the written portion. Bakugo being one higher than Deku is funny, since the smarter of the two is someone who mocks nerds. It also makes sense, since Deku’s biggest source of inspiration is Bakugo, so he’s just one step behind. Mineta honestly shocked me at first, but then I remembered that he hates physical confrontation, but he still wants to go to this school, so I was able to see him being book smart just to stay at UA. With everyone else, you could sorta guess their placements by their personalities. Those who excel physically and fail to strategize that well could easily fall below the top 10, which is why I was kinda surprised that Koda was among them. I always saw him as the shy-yet-smart type, before this point. Also Tokoyami, since he seems so composed as to seem smart enough to get higher than he is. And Kaminari being last makes sense, since I’m pretty sure he permanently fries some of his brain cells whenever he overuses his quirk.
Montana is having *n o n e* of it and I'm cackling. Ok for real though, a couple things that might help explain things/ease her mind: - The exam isn't just a simple pass/fail. It was for Kirishima and Sato because they didn't appropriately account for their weaknesses against Cementoss or change tactics when they realized they weren't getting anywhere. They had one plan that wasn't adapted to their weaknesses or opponent so they failed hard. It is possible for a student to get a grade besides 100% or 0% based on other factors though, like Montana was talking about. It's also possible for two people on the same team to have different scores. - Montana is absolutely correct about this being a poor academic set up in the way we would think of a classroom/test. However there's one extremely important factor that offsets that: the teachers are terrified that these kids are going to be actually and literally killed by a villain before graduating high school. It's a heartbreaking and unfortunate reality of the world they live in. The lesson that the teachers are trying to instill in them here (no doubt because of the decisions some of their students made at the USJ and Hosu) is that if they want to graduate -- if they want to LIVE til graduation -- they need to be able to accurately asses their current potential and situation and make a successful plan to end the conflict, whether that be through victory or escape. Everything else can come later so long as the kids can Get Themselves Out of dangerous situations in the meantime. Is it fair? No. That's the point though. Just like Aizawa said on the first day of school, the life of a hero isn't fair. Therefore, these heroes in training are expected to handle the unfairness and make it through anyway. It sucks, and it's not optimal academic or psychological practice, but it is necessary for their education anway.
The only flaw with Montana saying the students should fight the same person is also wrong because the students can also learn his quirk from the first match. If it was an unknown hero he would know every student's quirk by watching them at the UA festival.
They would only know the quirk from the first match if you allowed the students to watch the otger match. Just keep them from going in the surveillance room and that flaw isn't there anymore. The real flaw is that everyone fighting the same secret hero means that hero will eventually get tired, advantaging the students who go later in the day.
The unfairness and outcome based grading is the point here. It's a practical exam, it's supposed to simulate a practical encounter with a villain. You don't know who you may have to team up with in the moment, so having a specific partner forced on you works. And you can't tell what kind of villain you'll face, either. There would be literally no way to have perfectly fair exams for each student. Either they each face a different opponent, in which case they have potentially different difficulties, depending on the opponent. Or they all face the same opponent, in which case they certainly have different difficulties depending on how well that opponent counters the student's specific abilities. Like, if everyone fought All Might, some students would stand a chance because they're fast enough to escape. But some just get screwed because they lack the speed or raw power to deal with him. The best, and most fair, exams they can do is to customize to each pairing of students. Outcome based grading fits, too. Against a villain, performing well doesn't matter if you get killed. Capture or escape is success, anything else is the villain killing you. Having a student pass when they effectively got killed in the fight is bad grading. "Congrats, you're dead, but at least you died smartly." Stop looking at this as grading a class, and start looking at it as training to face villains, because that's what it is.
After the rough time Momo's had personally this season (getting booted on her own in the Sports Festival, not being taken seriously at her internship), it feels great to see her light up and feel appreciated when her friends and classmates ask her to tutor them. And she'll get an even bigger moment to shine next episode . . .
Kendo is my favorite character from class 1B. Wait until you see her in action. By all rights, she has a weak quirk, but is incredibly resourceful and a natural leader.
I have to remind myself Bakugo maybe....is a total hothead asshole but he's still natural born genius in both combat and studies. He was 3rd while Deku is 4th of the score exams.
id even argue that bakugo is a better leader on the battle field than iida is. iida is a great leader but when it comes to adrenalin and fighting, I know which one of them id prefer leading my charge into battle@@saltyk9869
Right, like I think if he had been paired with almost anyone else, he would’ve aced the test regardless. He’s the type that would take control immediately and I think the other kids would take his lead. Except mayyyybe Todoroki, I could see them getting into an argument lol. But going by future manga events, they both became friends easily enough later. So yeah, at the time Bakugou’s only weakness in that exam was Deku.
You guys make a good point in that how are students going to compete with professionals. But recall that UA is the Ultimate Academy. Meaning that the best high school students of the country are here. In the real world there are plenty of high school students who are almost at professional level. Erriyon Knighton is a crazy sprinter who got 2nd in the USA track and field championship last year as a 19 year old. So 2 crazy good high school students vs a pro should be interesting. Some Rando (I think a pro) said in the Sports Festival that Todoroki is already better than the average pro. Which his quirk is awesome. It’s why Endeavor is so proud of him(self) lol. Granted these teachers aren’t average Pros. They are pretty high tier pros.
I'd have to say the test is rather fair. Montana does have a point that they're not always going to know who they're fighting and the students have an advantage by knowing their teacher's quirks and histories...However, being a pro hero means they'll have to be in the spotlight at times, making the villains aware of what quirks the students would have anyway. Saying it will be more 'fair' if it's someone they don't know or is the same person for everyone simply isn't practical because that's not how villains would operate in the real world. By that same logic, other students could have a much easier time on the exam if the random person's quirk matches up extremely badly against the students while others would struggle based on bad luck of the draw. Also, there are likely villains in this world who are extremely well know and extention have their quirk known, so fights like these aren't too far-fetched in the grand scheme of things. They're not always going to be at an advantage, for example, Stain targeted heroes who were alone for the most part, or even the sludge villain in the first episode, none of the heroes present at the time had quirks that were suited to dealing with the villain and saving a hostage at the same time and they needed to wait for a hero with the right power to arrive. The test is designed so that they need to make a decision to fight or escape, because if this happens in the field, they die...no I'll do better next time, no recovering from an injury and back to work, just cut to the chase they're dead, and the teachers are preparing them for that reality. They pass if they can successfully capture their opponent despite the disadvantage, or escape so they can get someone who can beat the villain instead. The whole thing with Deku and Bakugo is also practical. In the field, they're going to have to work with heroes from other agencies (Like how Endeavor and Best Jeanist run their own, and All Might works for another). They're not always going to get along, like Endeavor and All Might don't get along, but will at times need to work together. It's testing their ability to put aside those differences to deal with the problem at hand. It is cruel, don't get me wrong, but practical in a sense of a real-life situation. They don't have to get along, but they do have to work together until the crisis is over.
The teachers ABSOLUTELY can easily subdue the students, but the practical exam is to test their teamwork and their ability to be strategic and tactical against an actual human being like before when Shigaraki intervened in the USJ
22:45 idk what concrete she’s punched thru but I’m pretty sure she’s got it backwards if cement was strong under pressure then it wouldn’t need rebar and support on our highways and infrastructure
Can we just take a moment to recognize that Kendo is so experienced with knocking out Monoma and innately courteous that she even caught his tray? Kendo is a gem.
I think Montana is a little hung up on a detail (the assumption of a Pass/Fail system) that will eventually be elaborated further on (actual number scores revealed later lol)
Honestly, Montana's point about everyone fighting the same person without knowing their quirk is pretty good. The advantage of the show's approach is pairing the weaknesses of the students with the teacher that would help them overcome it, but the difficulty of fighting All Might and fighting Snipe is *way* different. Not to say defeating Snipe would be easy, but it definitely isn't as difficult as defeating the number one hero, especially considering how All Might acted in the fight with Deku and Bakugo. The major flaw of everyone fighting the same person is that some students would have a way easier time and quirks more suitable to defeat that person, so it still isn't completely fair. At the end of the day, it's basically a pick your poison (or in this case method) situation.
Nah, Montana's way off here. And you proved it with your second point about the downside. You wouldn't judge a fish's ability to climb vs. a monkey's, nor a monkey's ability to swim vs. a fish's.
Yeah, there will never be a "fair" practical exam because everyone has different quirks which are suited for different situations, it isn't like a school curriculum where everyone is being tested on the same knowledge. A test like this where the exam is somewhat catered to the individuals is really the best option. And besides, they already had exams where everyone faced the same opponent: The entrance exams. And we already saw how unfair that exam was with characters like Shinso.
@@JediMasterRevenantMADNESS But she's also right about the school's exam being unfair. All Might didn't just fight Deku and Bakugo, he absolutely wrecked them the entire time. They did come up with a strategy, but it was through sheer luck that the stars aligned and a set of circumstances happened and they were actually able to pass. Their exam was objectively way harder than anyone else's, which isn't exactly fair to them. Yes, they'll get stronger, but Deku and Bakugo got absolutely wrecked while most of the others students came out witch scratches at most.
@@Marta-uv4id But the end goal isn't about passing or failing. It's about improving. Deku and Bakugo, even if they were the most damaged of the examinees, improved so much as a result of the exam. And it was necessary improvement, something that could only be achieved through facing a seemingly impossible situation.
I feel like people are forgetting a few details that play into the situation regarding deku being teamed up with his “bully”. I think that’s a perspective that frankly dishonors Deku and his growth, as if he’s too weak to handle being placed in that situation when the faculty has witnessed both their tenacity in intense situations. See, I don’t think the teachers see the situation like that at all, bully and victim, because they don’t treat Deku like a helpless victim. Because he’s not. He’s capable, resilient, intelligent, etc. and the faculty recognizes it. I think what they’re seeing and interpreting the situation as is a rivalry, and it’s an unhealthy one from Bakugo’s side. Also, we forget that Deku has mentioned that they were friends in middle. I don’t believe he’s ever referred to Bakugo as a bully either only that he makes fun of him but teasing is still pretty tame. He even uses a childhood nickname for him in class. He doesn’t refer to Kachan as a bully to him. Not to mention Deku’s changed a lot and he’s not in middle school anymore. He has a much stronger and more supportive group of friends. Not only that but he’s been seen inspiring the rest of the class while Bakugo is in the weird position of being picked on sometimes by the rest of the class for his attitude. Since starting their high school careers, the teachers have seen the two on a much more level playing field. The teachers may recognize Bakugo’s aggression and unhealthy attitude towards Deku. They may even accept that Bakugo is acting as a bully, but I see them pushing the two together as a way of trying to place them into a situation where they’ll be forced to work out their issues with each other because so far they’ve been is school for a bit now and there’s still trouble bubbling under the surface going unresolved. On a personal level, I find it very annoying to even hear that question, that people even saw this situation like that, as if Deku was frail and incapable of dealing with a childhood bully. I find that thinking to be pathetic and missing the point of the story entirely. Deku wants to be the world’s best hero for the love of God, if he can’t handle the “trauma” of being forced to work with someone that’s bullied him in the past then he’s not worthy of being a hero. People who are butt hurt about that have no grasp on true malevolence, of actual evil, on how it can destroy you, nor in how it can actually manifest in you. Anyone could be the villain, even you. Like the men in the German army during WW2, you would have been just like them, rounding up people, and killing them because you were ordered to do so. And if you think otherwise then you have no grasp of your own capacity for evil, nor in how a person gets to that stage. If you’re worried about childhood bullying in the context of this show’s situation then you aren’t getting the lessons this show is teaching at all. Also, the job of a hero is never going to be fair, so whining about fairness, that it’s somehow unfair that Deku has to “deal” with Bakugo’s personal issues
I think the core of what Aizawa wants to achieve in this scenario is if Deku and Bakugou were forced into a similar scenario, whether it’s with each other or someone else they don’t get along with, would they be able to overcome their differences to work together and solve the problem. Deku is unwilling to step up and face the issues of his relationship with Bakugou. While Bakugou is just hostile to Deku. There’s no time to shake hands and make up in the event a real villain, one more powerful than both of them, attacks them when they’re together. They have to work together or die.
i love the episode verdicts so much they are what makes your reaction videos special for me, but this one has to be one of my favorites just becuz of how heated montana got at the end 😂
Since all students have different quirks, some quirks are better suited against other quirks. Like say, if Tokoyami were to fight a person with a Light quirk, he would be at a massive disadvantage compared to everyone else. But this way, EVERYONE is at a roughly equal disadvantage, bc everyone is countered by their opponent.
Tbh i think they kinda missed the point. The point is to test them based on their weakness as individuals and how theyll adapt to conpensate for their weakness. Thats why bakugo and deku are grouped up and thats why the two head strong people who has a time limit on their quirks with very little thinking is teamed up against someone with seemingly infinate defence. They was tested on how theyll overcome their shortcomings
Aizawa has only known Bakugou and Midoriya for a month at most. He wouldn't know Bakugou was his bully. From his perspective, they don't get along well, and they need to work on their teamwork.
I think the point of the Exam is more to have them confront their weaknesses. Bakugo’s weakness is his pride and abrasiveness, while Deku’s is his the opposite. Kirishima and Rikido’s weakness was thinking they could just power through cementoss. How well they handle the situation is important but so is apprehending the villain or escaping with your life, I think that’s why it’s so severe.
Aizawa didnt pair Bakugo and Deku together to make Deku deal with Bakugo's issues. He did it to force Bakugo to cooperate and acknowledge Deku's (other people's in general) strengths. Going through a tough ordeal together can build bonds. If Bakugo wants to achieve his goal, he needs to acknowledge Deku's strengths and that's the only way he can use them. Plus, Bakugo is ridiculously powerful and smart. Deku is ridiculously smart and powerful. It makes sense to pair them because they occupy the same spectrum. And it makes sense to put them against All Might because of their power and intelligence, as that would be the only real challenge for them. Plus plus, by working with Deku, my guess is that Aizawa is hoping Bakugo's jealousy would be tempered. By working closely with Deku, he'll be able to see that there's nothing for him to be jealous of as Deku has weaknesses of his own. Just gaining more power in terms of a quirk doesn't mean Deku has outclassed him, and so there's more to being a pro than just a powerful quirk. So he needs to shed the rest of that mindset so that he can actually grow if he wants to stay ahead and go for #1.
It's kind of crazy that it took this long to finally see everyone's quirk in action, like Rikido Sato aka Sugar Man, we've seen him in action before, but his ability was never revealed until now even when they came up with their superhero names we still had no real idea as to the nature of his quirk.
The people claiming that Deku shouldn't have to deal with his bully and it's unfair need to grow up. The point in being a hero of any kind is to rise paseed adversity for the greter good of other. Deku and Bakugo are cut from the same cloth. Deku is too sensitive for his own good and Bakugo is also too sensitive for his own good. Both have been blessed with extraordinary abilities and both see All Might as an insurmountable wall. Dealing with Bakugo (who so far has shown to be an overall better student, leader, fighter, and in some ways a teamate) is exactly what Deku needs.
montana talked about the exam being unfiar becuase of diffwerent opponets but that's also the point you don't get to choose your opponets as a hero you gotta fight who's there
As a teacher, I have students that have disabilities that require different tests. The students in UA have different abilities that require different tests. Also the league of villains can target a hero specifically, and give them an enemy that is supposed to counter that hero’s quirk. So having the heroes chosen specifically is an excellent test.
I’ve always thought the first test was unwinnable, but I just figured out how. They can neither attack nor flee, they have to do both! Sugar Rush with his speed should race for the exit, while the other should charge right at Cementos! His concentration would be split, making it much harder to create infinite cement in BOTH locations continuously.
I will join the crowd and argue against Montana here. If they all fought the same person, say Aizawa, certain people would have vastly different advantages. Invisible girl could escape with relative ease, but someone like tokoyami would be almost useless, as he has shown very little exceptional physical ability outside of his quirk, which would be disabled. Deku the tail guy are at a slightly higher advantage, because they have more hand to hand combat practice, even without their quirk, and have higher levels of physicality. Similarly Tsu's quirk can't be erased, as it is a heteromorphic type. That same issue applies to any opponent the kids face, even if no one knew the opponents quirk before the fight. Some students would find that test a lot easier than others. This test is trying to force the kids to see their limits, and find ways around them. Kirishima and Sato have a limit to their endurance, so they need to learn where to apply their quirks for the best result. Rather than charging down an open street at the opponent they should have gotten closer before engaging, especially since their opponent specializes in slowing them down. Or tried to escape since their opponent was not mobile. The key was the lesson they needed to learn, but failed to do. It is unfair that their future training at summer camp is in the balance, since the ones who fail need more training the most, but that is a different argument.
The point of teaming Midorya and Bakugo up is to work on their team skills. This is a practical exam to ready them for the real world. If they want to work as heroes, there will be times where they have to work with others they might not normally get along with. They have to learn to move past such clashes while on the job.
Unfairness is to some degree the point of this test. Villains would not be any more accommodating. So except for the part that no ones life isn't actually in danger for the most part this exam is as real as it gets. Montanas grading wouldn't be as good idea. Because even if they did everything by the book which would be tested that way in real life they could still fail. That is why this exam is so genious to test their abilities in a way that forces them to go beyond just following rule book (plus ultra) against an overwhelming opponent and to have death like consequences for failing (summer school). Can't get more realistic than that except having them fight real villains. Also regarding Bakugo and Deku, Bakugo is not even close to that bully to Deku as he was before UA, so for the most part I wouldn't go that far as accusing teachers for putting together a bully and his victim in the same team, since they probably don't even have the full picture with those two at this moment.
Man watching these final exams while I'm in school for something difficult and practically unfair, in my brain, I'm just like, "Yeah. Shit's unfair. You gotta push through anyway." lol Not to say I'd willingly throw a bird out of a tree to teach them to fly, but the teachers carefully crafted the exam to teach students specific skills. Yeah All Might is a hell of a bigger hurdle than say Snipe, but the lessons that they need to learn are different. A lesson in controlling your quirks (Ashido and Kaminari) don't exactly apply to Bakugo (who needs to control his goddamn attitude lol).
Montana made a good point saying that the teachers dont have the same quirk so its not the same exam for everyone, but that also apply to the students, all students have differents quirks so they cant have the same exam
She wants more of a grading scale it seems. Instead of this being the main test determining their passing, and failing. I always thought it was a combination of the written one they were studying for at the beginning and this practical exam hehe
I'm not with Montana on the after thoughts part of the video. It seems like she's thinking of this as though the students here aren't getting ready to enter into probably the most dangerous profession of all time, even more dangerous than being a cop. They need to push students and be unfair. Sending out an improperly prepared pro into the field is what gets people killed. Not just the heroes themselves, but the civilians they're supposed to protect, save, and serve. It's to teach them a lesson. One wise mentor once said, "Failure, yes failure most of all, is the greatest teacher." And it isn't like this is their FINAL final exams, it's Japan so their school system works different. This is just for the semester, them failing here doesn't stop them from going to the next grade up. Plus, UA is one of the top 2 schools in the country, they know exactly what they're doing. They're forcing them to overcome their weaknesses while reviewing how they were taught to do so and how well those lessons stuck to them. They have to overcome these things in order to make it as pro heroes, otherwise they're just putting people at risk. What Montana wants or thinks is best is the same as grading a fish on its ability to climb a tree compared to a monkey's and an elephant's. Having them all face the same enemy isn't going to help them in the long run.
The matchup card image of Izawa looks STOKED to be facing off against Todoroki and Yaoyarozu which is kinda striking given his usual apathy towards life in general.
As a hero you don't have the luxury of being teamed up with someone you work well with all the time. Deku is talented but he hasn't been able to draw any hardline towards Bakugo at UA, it doesn't matter if thats fair in our world, if he is going to be a hero then he needs to be able to do that much. All Might gets along with basically everyone, Endeavor not so much, in fact Endeavor is openly hostile to All Might; but even so if they needed to work together they absolutely would because being a hero and saving people is more important than personal beef. Cuffing or escaping is the physical aspect of passing the exam but the true requirement for passing, in order to do those things, is overcoming the person's individual short coming. Its an exam to overcome your weakness.
2:40 _WAKAKU NAI, YOU NI_ THE japanese delivery is just 5:00 it worksss The negative boy couldn't decide whether or not to go to the radical party or b². He missed out on 4 awesome chicks, and the party was over at 2am :p 6:10 hehe it almost sounds more sarcastic 17:02 hope she heard Todoroki's weakness 17:19 "based on how bad they get along" 37:30 i dont think she did I mean...yeah its not quite It just sounds like you aren't li-- nvm
im a bit taken with the first question since i never realized there was that much hate on aizawa's decision to pair up midoriya and bakugo. i personally didnt see the issue especially since their relationship is the exact reason why they were paired up. you cant just keep avoiding or keep being mean to an annoying person. life will keep pairing you up with annoying people and its part of life that you learn to properly handle those kinds of people. this applies to both the bully and the victim
Late to the party, but I think Montana is just a little too stuck analyzing the situation through the lens of a real-world, business/school lens. Her breakdowns are spot on technically speaking in our current world, but I don't think they quite fit in this world. (Note, LOVING the reactions and breakdowns, and incredibly impressed with everything you all do. This is purely just wanting to dump some thoughts I had, not trying to attack, your insights have been fantastic). In MHA I think you have to look at specifically the teaching styles through the lens of a military rather than a standard school. And almost take a few steps backwards in time as well. Today's military can step back from some of the more "unfair" and "barbaric" tactics of old military because we don't fight like we used to. The world of MHA where you're often going to be face-to-face with combat in life or death situations feels more akin to like WW1 and earlier wars, or even medieval wars and battles. That said, considering the MHA world is also trying to take modern concessions into account, like the public appeal and mood being more modern and less accepting of risk, Montana makes excellent points I think a lot of people in the background of the real MHA world would be making.
It's ironic Montana previously complained about how ridiculous it is to make standardised grading on tests and heroism when everyone is different, and then when they make tests specifically tailored to the students strengths and weaknesses and giving them room to overcome them, she says it's not practical or fair
Montana let me ask you something: Do you honestly expect every fight with a villain to be fair? Because that's Not how Reality Works. If the teachers at UA constantly kept putting the students on pedestal, They'll Never Understand what it means to be in a Real Battle with a Villain. (I feel like you should know that at this point) 😑
Even that i'm in favor of Keny here, i like how invested is Montana in the show, you can feel her passion to how unfair the exams feels to her, because she cares for the characters and that is just lovely, great reaction guys!
She’s also not taking into consideration that it would be way more boring to have everyone fight the same person instead of matching them up with different people with different fighting styles and quirks. Plus, it’s also maximizing what the students can observe by watching and analyzing the results of their peer’s battles. To just see the same sorta fight over and over against the same type of enemy isn’t efficient or as helpful.
It’s interesting that this part of the story is changed slightly from the manga. In the manga all the practical tests are happening at the same time so everyone has the same amount of time to prepare and no one can watch other matches before going in for their own.
With the examination iv'e got to agree with how the exam went. Because you are not given the option of choosing who you are working with or working against on the field. The test is to figure out their weakness's and see if they can come up with on the fly if they can analyze whether or not a fight it beyond them or doable. If you are paired with someone you hate on the field, Oh well..... An example of this in real life is how Fire Fighters have controlled burns (purposefully setting an abandoned building on fire) in order to better prepare them for what they might encounter at any given day. It is literally a Trial by Fire sometimes with other Fire Departments in which they do not know eachother or how they specifically operate. in the same episode showed Midnight and Mt. Lady in an interview this expressed that neither of them particularly like how the other handles themselves on the field however in any given situation they might end up working together despite their short comings even if their powers do not compliment eachother. THIS is what the test is doing. *Your failings....can you over come them?*
Kenny, have you read the Vigilantes chapters that show us Aizawa's backstory? They're very valuable in understanding why the teachers make the decisions they do. Plus it's very emotional, and makes some stuff in season 5 hit harder too. If you want to show it to Montana, I'd do it right before the Kurogiri twist in season 5. Chapters 59-65 of My Hero Academia: Vigilantes :)
The reason the test is pass/fail is because hero work is pass/fail. You either save someone's life or you don't. You beat a villain or don't. Hero work is inherently different. If a villian is rampaging and killing people and you get beat beaten, not many people are going to care that you hit them at least 3 times and showed good footwork. This test is like the lowest stakes version of this and is acclimatizing the students to that style of decision-making. In the field every choice is life or death (pass/fail), here it's just about summer school which is perfect for their scale.
In a real world situation where you have to help a hero you don't know well or even despise/don't like, like Endeavor for instance, you'd also have to deal with teamwork in a problematic scenario. Deku and Bakugo have it hard, but honestly, if we think they're being prepared to real life as a hero, they should be able to deal with this kind of things. It's not easy but it's part of life to us and also to them (in a higher stress level situation of course). Besides another point is heroes are famous in this world, which means everyone knows them and their powers/abilities and maybe even weaknesses, but you can't say you know every villain's power or weakness. So in this instance the class actually has it easier than they will in a real worls crisis.
If this was just a regular lesson, it would be great. But setting the students for failure makes for a very poor final exam, particularly with a binary result of pass/fail.
@@Taiga312 you're not supposed to learn *during* the exam, you are supposed to learn beforehand, then prove you mastered what you learnt in the exam. And no, exams aren't just "pass/fail", otherwise the schools wouldn't bother with grades during finals. If you set your students for failure in an exam, you should have a system in place to grade them that's more accurate than just pass/fail, otherwise it's just a poor way to assess a student's abilities. Not being able to handcuff or flee All Might just doesn't say much about anyone. Grading what you did right or wrong against All Might does, and it still opens the possibility to pass or fail.
@@bouboulroz You're equating a normal school to a hero school. They're not going to care about actual grades as much. It is about passing or failing to see if they can be a hero or not. They're going to school for a specific job, everything is about continuously improving to be a better hero to save more lives.
@@Gopal__S then there would be no point in a written exam, but they do have one. Let's say Minetta scores high in the written exam, but fail against Midnight. Does he pass the finals or not ? You need to measure accurately how much Minetta fails the practical exam compared to how much he succeeds the written one to be able to determine whether or not he fails or succeed overall. If you go by the logic "if he fails the practical exam, he fails overall because it's more important when it comes to be a hero" then the written exam is just a waste of time and shouldn't exist in the first place. Either way, these aren't good finals.
27:06 i was starting MHA when this season aired and I did NOT remember that about fans being angry at Bakugou and Deku pair up. Partly because their relationship was bound to be used by the narrative eventually. Western fandom really loves to make a mountain out of a molehill. I like hearing both your opinions though. IMO I think Aizawa meant it as a test for both to put their emotional turmoil away (or air it out) in order to coordinate on the field. Their advantage is that both Deku and Bakugou are one of the smarter students, and have stronger combat abilities and quirks…if they were paired with any other kids in class, chances are they would’ve won. (Bakugou is crass but he knows how to use teamwork if needed.) Their disadvantage is their “relationship” as Aizawa said, and the fact that their opponent is All Might. I would even say, AM was chosen because neither of them would not be able to take him down in the case they decided to work solo. In a paired test like this, I would 100% say that teamwork is part of the requirement, otherwise they would’ve do a 1v1, and it’s likely very important for future pro hero work too. In the end, I also think this exam could never be fair due to the students’ and teachers’ different ability. But also remember, it’s just an exam for the first term of the first year of high school. It’s not that serious! 😂 They just go to summer school and take remedials, it’s okay.
I’d like to add that the last question made me laugh! Montana was so fired up she let lose some Genius predictions. I know you’ll enjoy the episode, can’t wait!
To play devils advocate, i don't fully see a problem pairing mydoria and bakugo. Yes they aren't ideal personalities to mesh together and yeah bakugo is hot headed and a bully but think about the real world. We have to work with people all the time we don't get along with. I'm sure thats true for the hero workforce too. So pairing them is just as much a test to see if they can put their (mostly Bakugo) animosity aside and work as a team. A theme that will be repeated much more clearly in a later season with two other character
I think these battles are fair at this point the students should know their weaknesses like stamina. Both decided a fullfrontal assault against a known stronger enemy and did not adapt.
I think Montana is missing the point of these tests. One of the purposes is in the event one of them encountered a villain like Stain outside of the school. In that event, they could only succeed or fail. That is beat Stain or escape him. Anything else means they die.
The way I see it, the exam and their respective match ups is meant to show them how to fight againts quirks or people they may struggle to deal with as heroes in the real world. The real world isn´t going to have a group of teachers telling them that they did good enough even if they lost and much less pefectly compatible teammates. In the mha world, if they lose againts a villain, they die. That´s why the test can´t have judges to decide if they get to pass the test even if they failed to defeat or run away from the hero. Because in their world failing to defeat a villain or failing to work together can get them killed.
i agree with montana abour the exams, i followed her logic her argument was always they should be graded not with how it is done directly, that they should be scoring based on actions not based on end result and i agree with that
If I were Izuku, I'd be absolutely *livid* with Bakugo. It doesn't matter how much he doesn't like him, he's risking both of their grades (and failing their exams) and refuses to even try to listen to Izuku for completely no reason. At least Bakugo could have told Izuku his strategy if he doesn't plan on listening to his.
Literally bro. It’s why I hate Aizawa’s reasoning for setting them together. It was basically forcing a victim to work with their abuser but trying to frame it as both their faults.
I guess you missed all those times it was shown again and again that Bakugou always wants to be a winner by beating his enemy without anyone's help? Because he wants to prove to everyone (including himself) that he's the best and can always win on his own, like All Might? Explaining his 'stragedy' to Izuku would've meant that he's actually planning on working with him/using him in his plan, when Bakugou wants to be the sole and indisputable victor. Especially after he repeatedly kept getting humbled and put down by the events of this and the previous seasons. It's not 'for completely no reason', it's called an established character flaw that he needs to break through.
@@grinstrashcan Just because it's established in the show that what Bakugo is doing isn't the right thing doesn't mean I can't criticize him for doing it when he himself doesn't consider it to be a mistake. That's like saying I can't criticize Endeavor for abusing his kids because it's framed as something bad in the show. He can't even think straight and put aside his differences for a single test in order not to bomb it. He believes he can beat All Might all by himself without even telling Midoriya his plans, and puts him in danger by doing so. What would happen if he wanted to pull this stunt in the battlefield when it actually matters? When he wants to be considered the sole winner, and bites off more than he can chew? And what if he put people in danger because of it? He's making a stupid decision, and I'm able to criticize him for it.
@@Marta-uv4id you can criticise him just fine, I responded because you said that he didn't listen to him for 'no reason', when there is a very much established reason. And again, this is happening after Bakugou had experienced several repeated losses, and with his self-esteem issues and imposter syndrome, it's obvious why he's doing these mistakes without thinking. He's in a middle of an identity crisis and is not thinking straight. Winning by himself is the only thing on his mind right now.
I don't think people conceptualize the fact that they are fighting people who are trying to kill them on a daily basis. So yes training/School will be unfair and unpredictable because that is the job they are applying for pass or fail/win or lose/fight or flight/live or die.
I mean, in the future, when in the field they won't be able to choose who they are working with all of the time anyway. The final is specific to the weaknesses of the teams they made. For Deku and Bakugo, it was said it was based off of their teamwork.
Mineta and Bakugo may be a bully and a pervert but that doesn't mean they cant be smart . They cam have good attributes to themselves. I think the exams are a good practice foe the real world. When they become they will have to deal with villians who may have an advantage over them. This would be good experience to learn from.
I think there was a lot of talking past each other with the word "fair". It was being treated as "a fair fight between student and teacher" and "fair between the students, because they should have equivalent tests"
I'm not gonna say anything about the test type and how good or bad it is cause a thousand other comments already stated what I would. I will instead add this: Unfortunately (and I understand why this is being seen as DUB and that's ok) there is information lost on the dub from the sub as the sub does go SLIGHTLY more in detail on why the test is as it is. ALSO, Kenny did give a misinformation that if they fail this they go to summer school. There is a written vs practical exams grades happening, it's not just you fail practical you fully fail.
I'll never understand the people who miss the point of " academia " being in the title of the show and find this regular school-ish arcs boring , pointless, or unlikable
shonen brain won’t let them lol. all they want is non stop action.
Forreal. Even if it's not the most important arc in terms of character progression, I can't help but love the Culture Festival arc in season 4. And the Joint Training Arc in season 5 is a ton of fun.
I love the regular class stuff
I’m an adult, classroom shonen is boring to me now. I don’t necessarily want action, but things of greater importance
@@adamyoung6797 So, you want pure plot. I think filler is important too. It sets up the world better, gives you interaction between characters, helps you understand their motives and generally gets you more invested in the world and the characters. Pure plot won't get you to remember a series or a film, it's just stuff that happens and then you turn on another show or film and forget about what happened in the one before. You have to have both for a story to be entertaining and rememberable
I think it’s interesting that Montana pointed out that this exam didn’t seem fair because they were each taking a different test. However, they were all being taught different skills. To give them all the same test would be unfair because they’ve all been learning a different set of skills.
aizawas first words to the class that life isnt fair, villians and natural disasters arent going to wait for you
@@nuhrii3449 the USJ attack is a good example of that
I dont like the idea of everyone fighting the same "enemy" for the exam. It is like grading a fish, an elephant and a monkey on their skill to climb a tree. This exam is customized to the students to overcome some of their specific weakness. So yes, the fights seem unfair but the goal is the same for everyone.
You essentially answered your own gripe. The point of these exams is so they can overcome some weakness they have. Sounds fair and doable to me.
@@ROOKI3LINKX I think that's exactly what they meant. I don't think op has an issue with how the exam was conducted and rather, was explaining how having them all face the same "enemy" would not have worked since that seems to be what Montana would've wanted to see or thinks would've been best.
I agree with you.
This is one of my favorite quotes: Everybody is a genius. But if you judge a fish on its ability to climb a tree. It will live its whole live thinking it's stupid.
From Einstein I believe.
aizawas first words to the class was life isnt fair, villians and natural disasters arent going to wait. it makes sense because failure in their line of work is death, DEATH; peoples lives are on the line and excellency is required to save the day
@nuhrii3449 exactly that's why I don't like the people who give bakugo hate for going all out against uraraka. Was she trying to kill him? No. But he realizes what their training for and treated her with the same standard he would anyone else. Of class1A I think he's the one who understands things best. The world and villains aren't going to go easy on them so why train half assed. You have to push yourself to be better than you were yesterday and kid gloves won't do that
You might think that Kirishima and Sato were at an even greater disadvantage because they went first and therefore had less time to prepare and couldn't watch any other matches. This detail was actually changed for the anime. In the manga, everyone took their final exam simultaneously.
Yeah idk why they would do that? It must suck for the first pairings to go in the test blind. Maybe it was for better flow of the episode. :/
Nah Montana, have to agree with Kenny on this.
While it is true there are villains whose quirks are unknowable, there are also well known villains with known quirks and heroes stay on top of that information and take it into account when approaching and fighting them. And if the students can not capture the teacher, then they should run away and a tactical retreat is necessary and an important lesson. Iida, Midoriya nad Todoroki learnt this the hard way, especially Iida. The students need to figure out which option is better for them and which is better against the teacher. The teacher of course isnt going to simply let themselves be handcuffed nor just let them run away, but even if just one of the students escapes, its a success, and even if for a moment one of the teachers hands is handcuffed, its a success. The teachers are also wearing weights to make it harder for them to run after the students and fight them - as Kenny said, it levels the playing field. When up against villains, there is no graded attempt, you either survive or you dont and thats what they are being prepared for.
this more-or-less reminds me of that scene in Harry Potter: Order of The Phoenix where Harry explains the massive difference between being taught defense against the dark arts and real life consequences when you're ACTUALLY facing them.
I think the question of the exam's fairness is an interesting one, because while it's not equal - like everyone fighting the same person, or everyone knowing nothing of their opponent - it is *equitable* in that the matches are tailored to force everyone to confront their personal weaknesses and improve. If they were to have the same cookie-cutter fight, there's no guarantee that these personal faults (quirk stamina, quick decision-making, taking lead vs letting someone else guide you, creative planning, etc.) would be fixed, let alone recognized by the students
Seeing this heated discussion on the exam, knowing the outcome, and what the teachers are actually doing is hilarious.
Losing or being unable to stop a villain in the real world results in death of yourself or innocents. You dont get a grey area you practice how you play thats just basics of learning something
Also endeavor can't stand all might in a similar way to bakugo and deku but I promise you Endeavor would team with him in the field to stop a villain and save people. Calling something unfair when training for life or death is silly and childish thinking
I don’t think Montana understands what these students are being prepared for. They’re essentially being trained to become soldiers. “Fair” tests are irrelevant. No villain is going to care if a matchup isn’t “Fair” so why would they teach them in that way?
She a wamen
@@cajunking5987ok dude we don’t need your sexist comments so take your misogyny elsewhere
@@naokibunz couldn’t have made a more basic girl response if you tried
I think Montana finds it unfair mainly not because of how the pairs or their opponents skill lvls and/ or compatibilities are. But because the "passing criteria" of "win or escape" against someone who is supposed to be above or beyond their lvl that any of those options should be impossible is unfair, the fair "passing criteria" should be how well you adapt and try to overcome all the unsurmountable hurdles student has against a pro-level individual.
@@cajunking5987Facts. Women Will Be Women.
They knew exactly what they were doing with the student teams.
24:15 Always thought Tsu being specifically surprised that Kirishima failed is a great touch. Unfortunately it was never really focused on but Kirishima was #2 in the entrance exams, only being beaten by Bakugo. Thats a pretty huge testament to his abilities.
Of course he's still a himbo so.. RIP in this specific exam lmao
Welcome to one of my long standing favorite arcs of this show. As I’m sure you’ve realized, I got my thinking hat on already for this one.
So this episode might just be one of the smartest in the entire show. And it goes to show how meticulously planned these tests are. The sports fest weeded out their weaknesses and their internships had them address their weaknesses and learn to make them better rounded. Their finals? Directly in line with what they’ve learned and progressed. And they tell us their midterm scores because that plays just as much a part. There is no carrying in these tests. And there’s a number of clues in their midterm scores so here’s the order.
1. Momo Yaoyorozu
2. Tenya Iida
3. Katsuki Bakugo
4. Izuku Midoriya (this is a LONG way from last in Aizawa’s 1st class)
5. Shoto Todoroki
6. Tsu Asui
7. Kyoka Jiro
8. Mashirao Ojiro (falling behind my foot!)
9. Minoru Mineta
10. Mezo Shoji
11. Koji Koda
12. Rikido Sato
13. Ochaco Uraraka
14. Fumikage Tokoyami
15. Ejiro Kirishima
16. Toru Hagakure
17. Hanta Sero
18. Yuga Aoyama
19. Mina Ashido
20. Denki Kaminari
As you can imagine each test is DELIBERATELY designed by the teachers. They give you the CHOICE of capturing or running, but the truth is the teacher is deliberately trying to force one. And if you choose the wrong one of the two, the hero will go all out making it MUCH harder to win. And to these kids, nigh impossible. Heroes have had decades to iron out their weaknesses and are just MEANT to seem indestructible because they are 1 person keeping entire areas safe from criminals, violence, disasters, and just unrest. There is nothing for the kids to exploit as 1st years. Unless the teachers make a VERY specific path to win by forcing the kids to address their weaknesses they have been learning to overcome in internships. These are glorified mouse mazes with one exit.
Some kids are specifically targeted. And you very clearly didn’t figure out the majority of them already. You get a target on your back for misbehavior, or just not trying hard enough. But you can get the idea of what each test is going for in the scenes prior to the teacher fight reveal. And 2 tests of the 10, are quite DELIBERATELY planned to be impossible. I won’t say which ones, but these 2 tests have a VERY different circumstance from the others. The more you think about it, the more you realize that capturing and escaping were NEVER on table.
And before I start getting into test designs, I need to draw attention to this scene.
Kirishima: Maybe I should study with Momo. Right?
Bakugo: You think I’m not good enough? Maybe I’ll beat the information into your skull.
Kirishima: I’m counting on it.
Bakugo: Fulfills his promise hitting Kirishima with a magazine over and over and screaming at him while they study.
Kirishima: I have regrets on that decision.
Once again this show has DOZENS of little nuggets like this and they are all hilarious or just fantastic details.
Ok so I’ll be going over each test design the teacher is going through like this:
Cementoss vs Kirishima (15) and Sato (12)
Target: Neither
Intended Victory: Capture
So Kirishima learned from Fourth-Kind and was actively learning how to expand his mindset and picking and choosing when the direct path is best. Knowing Sato’s quirk, I assume he learned similarly. They both prefer the head on approach so Cementoss won’t let them simply take their preferred route. Now you can’t run from a guy who makes walls spawn everywhere from the ground. And Cementoss at no point in this fight makes any move at all. He just chills in one spot. So capture WAS the correct answer. But you need to choose when and where to pick the direct path. If you noticed, there were gaps in between every wall. They could have simply gone around or heck, climbed on top. I imagine Cementoss would have made walls covering the whole street as they got closer and they’d HAVE to breakthrough. But noooo, the kids decided not to bust down a few walls, they decided to GO OUT OF THEIR WAY and break EVERY WALL. ALL of them. They didn’t even leave ones more out of their direct path alone. Which is directly against the point. So Cementoss just kept on going til they ran out of steam. And the MOMENT they did, he IMMEDIATELY rendered them both unconscious. (And I presume Cementoss would’ve just pinned them from the start if they tried to run for the exit.)
Test: Failed.
I’ll be doing it this way for every test because they ALL have this kind of design. Even the impossible ones are forcing very specific results. And I won’t cover any that are not finished. So we’ll wait til next time to talk about Ectoplasm vs Tsu and Tokoyami. But the fact they are THIS well planned out for ALL of them, is why until quite recently, this was my favorite arc in MHA. I can’t get enough of this one. And it contains my favorite fight in the season to top it off. Not Deku vs Todoroki, not Stain vs the kids. It’s one of these. And they use EVERY environment in the school which sets it apart from other training arcs in 1 location. And this approach would also improve other arcs. I wish the sports festival used more environments and it could have made some battles more evenly matched, I wish 1 other arc would have done this too. It would’ve been VERY helpful. But at least they did it here!
Next time we just got more tests!
I love that we have our own Deku in almost every video! just know that i really love your commentary 😊
Lol your comments make Godzilla look shorter by comparison XD
This is such awesome analysis I will be searching for your comment next wp
Man, you are amazing at this, a shame they won't read ir
I was honestly more impressed with some of the results from the written portion.
Bakugo being one higher than Deku is funny, since the smarter of the two is someone who mocks nerds. It also makes sense, since Deku’s biggest source of inspiration is Bakugo, so he’s just one step behind.
Mineta honestly shocked me at first, but then I remembered that he hates physical confrontation, but he still wants to go to this school, so I was able to see him being book smart just to stay at UA.
With everyone else, you could sorta guess their placements by their personalities. Those who excel physically and fail to strategize that well could easily fall below the top 10, which is why I was kinda surprised that Koda was among them. I always saw him as the shy-yet-smart type, before this point. Also Tokoyami, since he seems so composed as to seem smart enough to get higher than he is.
And Kaminari being last makes sense, since I’m pretty sure he permanently fries some of his brain cells whenever he overuses his quirk.
Montana is having *n o n e* of it and I'm cackling. Ok for real though, a couple things that might help explain things/ease her mind:
- The exam isn't just a simple pass/fail. It was for Kirishima and Sato because they didn't appropriately account for their weaknesses against Cementoss or change tactics when they realized they weren't getting anywhere. They had one plan that wasn't adapted to their weaknesses or opponent so they failed hard. It is possible for a student to get a grade besides 100% or 0% based on other factors though, like Montana was talking about. It's also possible for two people on the same team to have different scores.
- Montana is absolutely correct about this being a poor academic set up in the way we would think of a classroom/test. However there's one extremely important factor that offsets that: the teachers are terrified that these kids are going to be actually and literally killed by a villain before graduating high school. It's a heartbreaking and unfortunate reality of the world they live in. The lesson that the teachers are trying to instill in them here (no doubt because of the decisions some of their students made at the USJ and Hosu) is that if they want to graduate -- if they want to LIVE til graduation -- they need to be able to accurately asses their current potential and situation and make a successful plan to end the conflict, whether that be through victory or escape. Everything else can come later so long as the kids can Get Themselves Out of dangerous situations in the meantime. Is it fair? No. That's the point though. Just like Aizawa said on the first day of school, the life of a hero isn't fair. Therefore, these heroes in training are expected to handle the unfairness and make it through anyway. It sucks, and it's not optimal academic or psychological practice, but it is necessary for their education anway.
Montanna: There not gonna kill their students
Meanwhile AllMight: K.O. SAY GOODBYE TO YOUR BACK AND ORGANS YOUNG MIDORIYA AND BAKUGO
The only flaw with Montana saying the students should fight the same person is also wrong because the students can also learn his quirk from the first match.
If it was an unknown hero he would know every student's quirk by watching them at the UA festival.
They would only know the quirk from the first match if you allowed the students to watch the otger match. Just keep them from going in the surveillance room and that flaw isn't there anymore.
The real flaw is that everyone fighting the same secret hero means that hero will eventually get tired, advantaging the students who go later in the day.
the flaw also falls in that some students will naturally have advantages over others based off their quirk matchup against the mystery person.
The unfairness and outcome based grading is the point here. It's a practical exam, it's supposed to simulate a practical encounter with a villain. You don't know who you may have to team up with in the moment, so having a specific partner forced on you works. And you can't tell what kind of villain you'll face, either.
There would be literally no way to have perfectly fair exams for each student. Either they each face a different opponent, in which case they have potentially different difficulties, depending on the opponent. Or they all face the same opponent, in which case they certainly have different difficulties depending on how well that opponent counters the student's specific abilities. Like, if everyone fought All Might, some students would stand a chance because they're fast enough to escape. But some just get screwed because they lack the speed or raw power to deal with him. The best, and most fair, exams they can do is to customize to each pairing of students.
Outcome based grading fits, too. Against a villain, performing well doesn't matter if you get killed. Capture or escape is success, anything else is the villain killing you. Having a student pass when they effectively got killed in the fight is bad grading. "Congrats, you're dead, but at least you died smartly." Stop looking at this as grading a class, and start looking at it as training to face villains, because that's what it is.
After the rough time Momo's had personally this season (getting booted on her own in the Sports Festival, not being taken seriously at her internship), it feels great to see her light up and feel appreciated when her friends and classmates ask her to tutor them.
And she'll get an even bigger moment to shine next episode . . .
Love that that throughout this entire episode you can just tell All Might is ready to whoop some kids.
Kendo is my favorite character from class 1B. Wait until you see her in action. By all rights, she has a weak quirk, but is incredibly resourceful and a natural leader.
I have to remind myself Bakugo maybe....is a total hothead asshole but he's still natural born genius in both combat and studies. He was 3rd while Deku is 4th of the score exams.
He's a weirdly capable leader, too. He literally led a team in a later episode and had a perfect victory.
@@saltyk9869he also lead everyone in the cavalry battle
id even argue that bakugo is a better leader on the battle field than iida is. iida is a great leader but when it comes to adrenalin and fighting, I know which one of them id prefer leading my charge into battle@@saltyk9869
Right, like I think if he had been paired with almost anyone else, he would’ve aced the test regardless. He’s the type that would take control immediately and I think the other kids would take his lead.
Except mayyyybe Todoroki, I could see them getting into an argument lol. But going by future manga events, they both became friends easily enough later. So yeah, at the time Bakugou’s only weakness in that exam was Deku.
You guys make a good point in that how are students going to compete with professionals. But recall that UA is the Ultimate Academy. Meaning that the best high school students of the country are here. In the real world there are plenty of high school students who are almost at professional level. Erriyon Knighton is a crazy sprinter who got 2nd in the USA track and field championship last year as a 19 year old. So 2 crazy good high school students vs a pro should be interesting.
Some Rando (I think a pro) said in the Sports Festival that Todoroki is already better than the average pro. Which his quirk is awesome. It’s why Endeavor is so proud of him(self) lol.
Granted these teachers aren’t average Pros. They are pretty high tier pros.
I'd have to say the test is rather fair. Montana does have a point that they're not always going to know who they're fighting and the students have an advantage by knowing their teacher's quirks and histories...However, being a pro hero means they'll have to be in the spotlight at times, making the villains aware of what quirks the students would have anyway. Saying it will be more 'fair' if it's someone they don't know or is the same person for everyone simply isn't practical because that's not how villains would operate in the real world. By that same logic, other students could have a much easier time on the exam if the random person's quirk matches up extremely badly against the students while others would struggle based on bad luck of the draw. Also, there are likely villains in this world who are extremely well know and extention have their quirk known, so fights like these aren't too far-fetched in the grand scheme of things. They're not always going to be at an advantage, for example, Stain targeted heroes who were alone for the most part, or even the sludge villain in the first episode, none of the heroes present at the time had quirks that were suited to dealing with the villain and saving a hostage at the same time and they needed to wait for a hero with the right power to arrive. The test is designed so that they need to make a decision to fight or escape, because if this happens in the field, they die...no I'll do better next time, no recovering from an injury and back to work, just cut to the chase they're dead, and the teachers are preparing them for that reality. They pass if they can successfully capture their opponent despite the disadvantage, or escape so they can get someone who can beat the villain instead. The whole thing with Deku and Bakugo is also practical. In the field, they're going to have to work with heroes from other agencies (Like how Endeavor and Best Jeanist run their own, and All Might works for another). They're not always going to get along, like Endeavor and All Might don't get along, but will at times need to work together. It's testing their ability to put aside those differences to deal with the problem at hand. It is cruel, don't get me wrong, but practical in a sense of a real-life situation. They don't have to get along, but they do have to work together until the crisis is over.
The teachers ABSOLUTELY can easily subdue the students, but the practical exam is to test their teamwork and their ability to be strategic and tactical against an actual human being like before when Shigaraki intervened in the USJ
22:45 idk what concrete she’s punched thru but I’m pretty sure she’s got it backwards if cement was strong under pressure then it wouldn’t need rebar and support on our highways and infrastructure
Can we just take a moment to recognize that Kendo is so experienced with knocking out Monoma and innately courteous that she even caught his tray? Kendo is a gem.
I think Montana is a little hung up on a detail (the assumption of a Pass/Fail system) that will eventually be elaborated further on (actual number scores revealed later lol)
Honestly, Montana's point about everyone fighting the same person without knowing their quirk is pretty good. The advantage of the show's approach is pairing the weaknesses of the students with the teacher that would help them overcome it, but the difficulty of fighting All Might and fighting Snipe is *way* different. Not to say defeating Snipe would be easy, but it definitely isn't as difficult as defeating the number one hero, especially considering how All Might acted in the fight with Deku and Bakugo. The major flaw of everyone fighting the same person is that some students would have a way easier time and quirks more suitable to defeat that person, so it still isn't completely fair. At the end of the day, it's basically a pick your poison (or in this case method) situation.
Honestly Snipe has to hold back the most out of everyone lol
Nah, Montana's way off here. And you proved it with your second point about the downside. You wouldn't judge a fish's ability to climb vs. a monkey's, nor a monkey's ability to swim vs. a fish's.
Yeah, there will never be a "fair" practical exam because everyone has different quirks which are suited for different situations, it isn't like a school curriculum where everyone is being tested on the same knowledge. A test like this where the exam is somewhat catered to the individuals is really the best option.
And besides, they already had exams where everyone faced the same opponent: The entrance exams. And we already saw how unfair that exam was with characters like Shinso.
@@JediMasterRevenantMADNESS But she's also right about the school's exam being unfair. All Might didn't just fight Deku and Bakugo, he absolutely wrecked them the entire time. They did come up with a strategy, but it was through sheer luck that the stars aligned and a set of circumstances happened and they were actually able to pass. Their exam was objectively way harder than anyone else's, which isn't exactly fair to them. Yes, they'll get stronger, but Deku and Bakugo got absolutely wrecked while most of the others students came out witch scratches at most.
@@Marta-uv4id But the end goal isn't about passing or failing. It's about improving. Deku and Bakugo, even if they were the most damaged of the examinees, improved so much as a result of the exam. And it was necessary improvement, something that could only be achieved through facing a seemingly impossible situation.
She’s going absolutely love the reason why Deku and bakugou was teamed up.
I feel like people are forgetting a few details that play into the situation regarding deku being teamed up with his “bully”. I think that’s a perspective that frankly dishonors Deku and his growth, as if he’s too weak to handle being placed in that situation when the faculty has witnessed both their tenacity in intense situations. See, I don’t think the teachers see the situation like that at all, bully and victim, because they don’t treat Deku like a helpless victim. Because he’s not. He’s capable, resilient, intelligent, etc. and the faculty recognizes it. I think what they’re seeing and interpreting the situation as is a rivalry, and it’s an unhealthy one from Bakugo’s side. Also, we forget that Deku has mentioned that they were friends in middle. I don’t believe he’s ever referred to Bakugo as a bully either only that he makes fun of him but teasing is still pretty tame. He even uses a childhood nickname for him in class. He doesn’t refer to Kachan as a bully to him.
Not to mention Deku’s changed a lot and he’s not in middle school anymore. He has a much stronger and more supportive group of friends. Not only that but he’s been seen inspiring the rest of the class while Bakugo is in the weird position of being picked on sometimes by the rest of the class for his attitude. Since starting their high school careers, the teachers have seen the two on a much more level playing field.
The teachers may recognize Bakugo’s aggression and unhealthy attitude towards Deku. They may even accept that Bakugo is acting as a bully, but I see them pushing the two together as a way of trying to place them into a situation where they’ll be forced to work out their issues with each other because so far they’ve been is school for a bit now and there’s still trouble bubbling under the surface going unresolved.
On a personal level, I find it very annoying to even hear that question, that people even saw this situation like that, as if Deku was frail and incapable of dealing with a childhood bully. I find that thinking to be pathetic and missing the point of the story entirely. Deku wants to be the world’s best hero for the love of God, if he can’t handle the “trauma” of being forced to work with someone that’s bullied him in the past then he’s not worthy of being a hero. People who are butt hurt about that have no grasp on true malevolence, of actual evil, on how it can destroy you, nor in how it can actually manifest in you. Anyone could be the villain, even you. Like the men in the German army during WW2, you would have been just like them, rounding up people, and killing them because you were ordered to do so. And if you think otherwise then you have no grasp of your own capacity for evil, nor in how a person gets to that stage. If you’re worried about childhood bullying in the context of this show’s situation then you aren’t getting the lessons this show is teaching at all.
Also, the job of a hero is never going to be fair, so whining about fairness, that it’s somehow unfair that Deku has to “deal” with Bakugo’s personal issues
some of the pairings for this arc are really fun dynamics. i really love the tokoyami-tsuyu partnership, next ep is gonna be fun!
Tokoyami's English voice actor ships them.
@@sea-envy3137 i'm more of a tsuyu/uraraka person myself, but it's always fun when the voice actors have ships haha
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I think the core of what Aizawa wants to achieve in this scenario is if Deku and Bakugou were forced into a similar scenario, whether it’s with each other or someone else they don’t get along with, would they be able to overcome their differences to work together and solve the problem. Deku is unwilling to step up and face the issues of his relationship with Bakugou. While Bakugou is just hostile to Deku. There’s no time to shake hands and make up in the event a real villain, one more powerful than both of them, attacks them when they’re together. They have to work together or die.
Hahahah I lost it when Kenny said “What cement are you thinking about”
i love the episode verdicts so much they are what makes your reaction videos special for me, but this one has to be one of my favorites just becuz of how heated montana got at the end 😂
10:27 Notice Bakugo calls him Todoroki instead of "Icy Hot". He's acknowledging him now
Since all students have different quirks, some quirks are better suited against other quirks. Like say, if Tokoyami were to fight a person with a Light quirk, he would be at a massive disadvantage compared to everyone else.
But this way, EVERYONE is at a roughly equal disadvantage, bc everyone is countered by their opponent.
Tbh i think they kinda missed the point. The point is to test them based on their weakness as individuals and how theyll adapt to conpensate for their weakness. Thats why bakugo and deku are grouped up and thats why the two head strong people who has a time limit on their quirks with very little thinking is teamed up against someone with seemingly infinate defence. They was tested on how theyll overcome their shortcomings
what concrete wall can you punch without breaking your bones 😭😭😭
Aizawa has only known Bakugou and Midoriya for a month at most. He wouldn't know Bakugou was his bully. From his perspective, they don't get along well, and they need to work on their teamwork.
I think the point of the Exam is more to have them confront their weaknesses. Bakugo’s weakness is his pride and abrasiveness, while Deku’s is his the opposite. Kirishima and Rikido’s weakness was thinking they could just power through cementoss. How well they handle the situation is important but so is apprehending the villain or escaping with your life, I think that’s why it’s so severe.
Aizawa didnt pair Bakugo and Deku together to make Deku deal with Bakugo's issues. He did it to force Bakugo to cooperate and acknowledge Deku's (other people's in general) strengths. Going through a tough ordeal together can build bonds. If Bakugo wants to achieve his goal, he needs to acknowledge Deku's strengths and that's the only way he can use them.
Plus, Bakugo is ridiculously powerful and smart. Deku is ridiculously smart and powerful. It makes sense to pair them because they occupy the same spectrum. And it makes sense to put them against All Might because of their power and intelligence, as that would be the only real challenge for them.
Plus plus, by working with Deku, my guess is that Aizawa is hoping Bakugo's jealousy would be tempered. By working closely with Deku, he'll be able to see that there's nothing for him to be jealous of as Deku has weaknesses of his own. Just gaining more power in terms of a quirk doesn't mean Deku has outclassed him, and so there's more to being a pro than just a powerful quirk. So he needs to shed the rest of that mindset so that he can actually grow if he wants to stay ahead and go for #1.
It's kind of crazy that it took this long to finally see everyone's quirk in action, like Rikido Sato aka Sugar Man, we've seen him in action before, but his ability was never revealed until now even when they came up with their superhero names we still had no real idea as to the nature of his quirk.
The people claiming that Deku shouldn't have to deal with his bully and it's unfair need to grow up.
The point in being a hero of any kind is to rise paseed adversity for the greter good of other. Deku and Bakugo are cut from the same cloth. Deku is too sensitive for his own good and Bakugo is also too sensitive for his own good. Both have been blessed with extraordinary abilities and both see All Might as an insurmountable wall.
Dealing with Bakugo (who so far has shown to be an overall better student, leader, fighter, and in some ways a teamate) is exactly what Deku needs.
montana talked about the exam being unfiar becuase of diffwerent opponets but that's also the point you don't get to choose your opponets as a hero you gotta fight who's there
As a teacher, I have students that have disabilities that require different tests. The students in UA have different abilities that require different tests.
Also the league of villains can target a hero specifically, and give them an enemy that is supposed to counter that hero’s quirk. So having the heroes chosen specifically is an excellent test.
8:49 I'm sorry but I just realized she has a glass of what looks like wine.
All might sure didnt hold back 😂
That discussion at the end was hilarious. I can't wait to see if Montana still holds the opinion after the match. Then on to Summer Training Camp Arc!
I'm actually like 80% its not strict pass or fail based on if they can "win" or not.
I’ve always thought the first test was unwinnable, but I just figured out how. They can neither attack nor flee, they have to do both! Sugar Rush with his speed should race for the exit, while the other should charge right at Cementos! His concentration would be split, making it much harder to create infinite cement in BOTH locations continuously.
Cementus would be nothing to THE GREATEST EARTH BENDER in TOPH!
I will join the crowd and argue against Montana here. If they all fought the same person, say Aizawa, certain people would have vastly different advantages. Invisible girl could escape with relative ease, but someone like tokoyami would be almost useless, as he has shown very little exceptional physical ability outside of his quirk, which would be disabled.
Deku the tail guy are at a slightly higher advantage, because they have more hand to hand combat practice, even without their quirk, and have higher levels of physicality. Similarly Tsu's quirk can't be erased, as it is a heteromorphic type.
That same issue applies to any opponent the kids face, even if no one knew the opponents quirk before the fight. Some students would find that test a lot easier than others.
This test is trying to force the kids to see their limits, and find ways around them. Kirishima and Sato have a limit to their endurance, so they need to learn where to apply their quirks for the best result. Rather than charging down an open street at the opponent they should have gotten closer before engaging, especially since their opponent specializes in slowing them down. Or tried to escape since their opponent was not mobile. The key was the lesson they needed to learn, but failed to do.
It is unfair that their future training at summer camp is in the balance, since the ones who fail need more training the most, but that is a different argument.
I'm more surprised that Letts React didn't catch the voice of Pro Hero: Snipe is actually the same as Hannes from AOT.
The point of teaming Midorya and Bakugo up is to work on their team skills. This is a practical exam to ready them for the real world. If they want to work as heroes, there will be times where they have to work with others they might not normally get along with. They have to learn to move past such clashes while on the job.
Did Montana completely miss that part? The teams were specifically chosen for the students’ weaknesses. It’s all to teach them a lesson.
Okay, but I love this because the issues Montana has with this exam are the same ones that I had when I first watched this.
Unfairness is to some degree the point of this test. Villains would not be any more accommodating. So except for the part that no ones life isn't actually in danger for the most part this exam is as real as it gets. Montanas grading wouldn't be as good idea. Because even if they did everything by the book which would be tested that way in real life they could still fail. That is why this exam is so genious to test their abilities in a way that forces them to go beyond just following rule book (plus ultra) against an overwhelming opponent and to have death like consequences for failing (summer school). Can't get more realistic than that except having them fight real villains.
Also regarding Bakugo and Deku, Bakugo is not even close to that bully to Deku as he was before UA, so for the most part I wouldn't go that far as accusing teachers for putting together a bully and his victim in the same team, since they probably don't even have the full picture with those two at this moment.
Man watching these final exams while I'm in school for something difficult and practically unfair, in my brain, I'm just like, "Yeah. Shit's unfair. You gotta push through anyway." lol Not to say I'd willingly throw a bird out of a tree to teach them to fly, but the teachers carefully crafted the exam to teach students specific skills. Yeah All Might is a hell of a bigger hurdle than say Snipe, but the lessons that they need to learn are different.
A lesson in controlling your quirks (Ashido and Kaminari) don't exactly apply to Bakugo (who needs to control his goddamn attitude lol).
Montana made a good point saying that the teachers dont have the same quirk so its not the same exam for everyone, but that also apply to the students, all students have differents quirks so they cant have the same exam
I'm just saying, I'm shocked these two didn't do a reaction to the Netflix The Last Airbender trail when it dropped.
She wants more of a grading scale it seems. Instead of this being the main test determining their passing, and failing. I always thought it was a combination of the written one they were studying for at the beginning and this practical exam hehe
i love this arc, it has some really good character moments. this next fight is my favorite!
I love that Thirteen put out her arms just in case Principle Nezu fell🥹
(At 11:15) Anyone else think everything around her looks… expensive? Even her?
I'm not with Montana on the after thoughts part of the video. It seems like she's thinking of this as though the students here aren't getting ready to enter into probably the most dangerous profession of all time, even more dangerous than being a cop. They need to push students and be unfair. Sending out an improperly prepared pro into the field is what gets people killed. Not just the heroes themselves, but the civilians they're supposed to protect, save, and serve. It's to teach them a lesson. One wise mentor once said, "Failure, yes failure most of all, is the greatest teacher." And it isn't like this is their FINAL final exams, it's Japan so their school system works different. This is just for the semester, them failing here doesn't stop them from going to the next grade up. Plus, UA is one of the top 2 schools in the country, they know exactly what they're doing. They're forcing them to overcome their weaknesses while reviewing how they were taught to do so and how well those lessons stuck to them. They have to overcome these things in order to make it as pro heroes, otherwise they're just putting people at risk. What Montana wants or thinks is best is the same as grading a fish on its ability to climb a tree compared to a monkey's and an elephant's. Having them all face the same enemy isn't going to help them in the long run.
The matchup card image of Izawa looks STOKED to be facing off against Todoroki and Yaoyarozu which is kinda striking given his usual apathy towards life in general.
As a hero you don't have the luxury of being teamed up with someone you work well with all the time. Deku is talented but he hasn't been able to draw any hardline towards Bakugo at UA, it doesn't matter if thats fair in our world, if he is going to be a hero then he needs to be able to do that much. All Might gets along with basically everyone, Endeavor not so much, in fact Endeavor is openly hostile to All Might; but even so if they needed to work together they absolutely would because being a hero and saving people is more important than personal beef.
Cuffing or escaping is the physical aspect of passing the exam but the true requirement for passing, in order to do those things, is overcoming the person's individual short coming. Its an exam to overcome your weakness.
2:40 _WAKAKU NAI, YOU NI_ THE japanese delivery is just
5:00 it worksss
The negative boy couldn't decide whether or not to go to the radical party or b². He missed out on 4 awesome chicks, and the party was over at 2am :p
6:10 hehe it almost sounds more sarcastic
17:02 hope she heard Todoroki's weakness
17:19 "based on how bad they get along"
37:30 i dont think she did
I mean...yeah its not quite
It just sounds like you aren't li-- nvm
im a bit taken with the first question since i never realized there was that much hate on aizawa's decision to pair up midoriya and bakugo. i personally didnt see the issue especially since their relationship is the exact reason why they were paired up. you cant just keep avoiding or keep being mean to an annoying person. life will keep pairing you up with annoying people and its part of life that you learn to properly handle those kinds of people. this applies to both the bully and the victim
Late to the party, but I think Montana is just a little too stuck analyzing the situation through the lens of a real-world, business/school lens. Her breakdowns are spot on technically speaking in our current world, but I don't think they quite fit in this world. (Note, LOVING the reactions and breakdowns, and incredibly impressed with everything you all do. This is purely just wanting to dump some thoughts I had, not trying to attack, your insights have been fantastic).
In MHA I think you have to look at specifically the teaching styles through the lens of a military rather than a standard school. And almost take a few steps backwards in time as well. Today's military can step back from some of the more "unfair" and "barbaric" tactics of old military because we don't fight like we used to. The world of MHA where you're often going to be face-to-face with combat in life or death situations feels more akin to like WW1 and earlier wars, or even medieval wars and battles.
That said, considering the MHA world is also trying to take modern concessions into account, like the public appeal and mood being more modern and less accepting of risk, Montana makes excellent points I think a lot of people in the background of the real MHA world would be making.
It's ironic Montana previously complained about how ridiculous it is to make standardised grading on tests and heroism when everyone is different, and then when they make tests specifically tailored to the students strengths and weaknesses and giving them room to overcome them, she says it's not practical or fair
Nah how did monama guess that class b was gonna get caught up with villains 😱😱😱
Montana let me ask you something: Do you honestly expect every fight with a villain to be fair? Because that's Not how Reality Works.
If the teachers at UA constantly kept putting the students on pedestal, They'll Never Understand what it means to be in a Real Battle with a Villain.
(I feel like you should know that at this point) 😑
Even that i'm in favor of Keny here, i like how invested is Montana in the show, you can feel her passion to how unfair the exams feels to her, because she cares for the characters and that is just lovely, great reaction guys!
She’s also not taking into consideration that it would be way more boring to have everyone fight the same person instead of matching them up with different people with different fighting styles and quirks. Plus, it’s also maximizing what the students can observe by watching and analyzing the results of their peer’s battles. To just see the same sorta fight over and over against the same type of enemy isn’t efficient or as helpful.
It’s interesting that this part of the story is changed slightly from the manga. In the manga all the practical tests are happening at the same time so everyone has the same amount of time to prepare and no one can watch other matches before going in for their own.
With the examination iv'e got to agree with how the exam went. Because you are not given the option of choosing who you are working with or working against on the field. The test is to figure out their weakness's and see if they can come up with on the fly if they can analyze whether or not a fight it beyond them or doable. If you are paired with someone you hate on the field, Oh well..... An example of this in real life is how Fire Fighters have controlled burns (purposefully setting an abandoned building on fire) in order to better prepare them for what they might encounter at any given day. It is literally a Trial by Fire sometimes with other Fire Departments in which they do not know eachother or how they specifically operate.
in the same episode showed Midnight and Mt. Lady in an interview this expressed that neither of them particularly like how the other handles themselves on the field however in any given situation they might end up working together despite their short comings even if their powers do not compliment eachother. THIS is what the test is doing. *Your failings....can you over come them?*
Kenny, have you read the Vigilantes chapters that show us Aizawa's backstory? They're very valuable in understanding why the teachers make the decisions they do. Plus it's very emotional, and makes some stuff in season 5 hit harder too. If you want to show it to Montana, I'd do it right before the Kurogiri twist in season 5. Chapters 59-65 of My Hero Academia: Vigilantes :)
The reason the test is pass/fail is because hero work is pass/fail. You either save someone's life or you don't. You beat a villain or don't. Hero work is inherently different. If a villian is rampaging and killing people and you get beat beaten, not many people are going to care that you hit them at least 3 times and showed good footwork. This test is like the lowest stakes version of this and is acclimatizing the students to that style of decision-making. In the field every choice is life or death (pass/fail), here it's just about summer school which is perfect for their scale.
At some point I think Kenny was just trying to get Montana more angry about the exams
In a real world situation where you have to help a hero you don't know well or even despise/don't like, like Endeavor for instance, you'd also have to deal with teamwork in a problematic scenario. Deku and Bakugo have it hard, but honestly, if we think they're being prepared to real life as a hero, they should be able to deal with this kind of things. It's not easy but it's part of life to us and also to them (in a higher stress level situation of course).
Besides another point is heroes are famous in this world, which means everyone knows them and their powers/abilities and maybe even weaknesses, but you can't say you know every villain's power or weakness. So in this instance the class actually has it easier than they will in a real worls crisis.
...who said it was *supposed* to be fair? I always thought it was deliberately unfair to push the students.
If this was just a regular lesson, it would be great. But setting the students for failure makes for a very poor final exam, particularly with a binary result of pass/fail.
@@bouboulrozBut that's supposed to be the point of a exam, pass or fail depending on whether you learned something or not.
@@Taiga312 you're not supposed to learn *during* the exam, you are supposed to learn beforehand, then prove you mastered what you learnt in the exam.
And no, exams aren't just "pass/fail", otherwise the schools wouldn't bother with grades during finals.
If you set your students for failure in an exam, you should have a system in place to grade them that's more accurate than just pass/fail, otherwise it's just a poor way to assess a student's abilities.
Not being able to handcuff or flee All Might just doesn't say much about anyone. Grading what you did right or wrong against All Might does, and it still opens the possibility to pass or fail.
@@bouboulroz You're equating a normal school to a hero school. They're not going to care about actual grades as much. It is about passing or failing to see if they can be a hero or not. They're going to school for a specific job, everything is about continuously improving to be a better hero to save more lives.
@@Gopal__S then there would be no point in a written exam, but they do have one.
Let's say Minetta scores high in the written exam, but fail against Midnight. Does he pass the finals or not ? You need to measure accurately how much Minetta fails the practical exam compared to how much he succeeds the written one to be able to determine whether or not he fails or succeed overall.
If you go by the logic "if he fails the practical exam, he fails overall because it's more important when it comes to be a hero" then the written exam is just a waste of time and shouldn't exist in the first place. Either way, these aren't good finals.
The only 2 students who had better grades than Bakugo are Iida whose brother was a pro, and Yamomo who got in on recommendations.
Bakugo, my beloved...
In reality, having the same test for everyone is less fair. Difference between equity and equality. Adapt3d tests are more fair in general
27:06 i was starting MHA when this season aired and I did NOT remember that about fans being angry at Bakugou and Deku pair up. Partly because their relationship was bound to be used by the narrative eventually. Western fandom really loves to make a mountain out of a molehill.
I like hearing both your opinions though. IMO I think Aizawa meant it as a test for both to put their emotional turmoil away (or air it out) in order to coordinate on the field. Their advantage is that both Deku and Bakugou are one of the smarter students, and have stronger combat abilities and quirks…if they were paired with any other kids in class, chances are they would’ve won. (Bakugou is crass but he knows how to use teamwork if needed.) Their disadvantage is their “relationship” as Aizawa said, and the fact that their opponent is All Might. I would even say, AM was chosen because neither of them would not be able to take him down in the case they decided to work solo. In a paired test like this, I would 100% say that teamwork is part of the requirement, otherwise they would’ve do a 1v1, and it’s likely very important for future pro hero work too.
In the end, I also think this exam could never be fair due to the students’ and teachers’ different ability. But also remember, it’s just an exam for the first term of the first year of high school. It’s not that serious! 😂 They just go to summer school and take remedials, it’s okay.
I’d like to add that the last question made me laugh! Montana was so fired up she let lose some Genius predictions. I know you’ll enjoy the episode, can’t wait!
To play devils advocate, i don't fully see a problem pairing mydoria and bakugo. Yes they aren't ideal personalities to mesh together and yeah bakugo is hot headed and a bully but think about the real world. We have to work with people all the time we don't get along with. I'm sure thats true for the hero workforce too. So pairing them is just as much a test to see if they can put their (mostly Bakugo) animosity aside and work as a team. A theme that will be repeated much more clearly in a later season with two other character
I think these battles are fair at this point the students should know their weaknesses like stamina. Both decided a fullfrontal assault against a known stronger enemy and did not adapt.
I think Montana is missing the point of these tests. One of the purposes is in the event one of them encountered a villain like Stain outside of the school. In that event, they could only succeed or fail. That is beat Stain or escape him. Anything else means they die.
The way I see it, the exam and their respective match ups is meant to show them how to fight againts quirks or people they may struggle to deal with as heroes in the real world. The real world isn´t going to have a group of teachers telling them that they did good enough even if they lost and much less pefectly compatible teammates. In the mha world, if they lose againts a villain, they die. That´s why the test can´t have judges to decide if they get to pass the test even if they failed to defeat or run away from the hero. Because in their world failing to defeat a villain or failing to work together can get them killed.
i agree with montana abour the exams, i followed her logic
her argument was always they should be graded not with how it is done directly, that they should be scoring based on actions not based on end result and i agree with that
If I were Izuku, I'd be absolutely *livid* with Bakugo. It doesn't matter how much he doesn't like him, he's risking both of their grades (and failing their exams) and refuses to even try to listen to Izuku for completely no reason. At least Bakugo could have told Izuku his strategy if he doesn't plan on listening to his.
Literally bro. It’s why I hate Aizawa’s reasoning for setting them together. It was basically forcing a victim to work with their abuser but trying to frame it as both their faults.
@@aghoghoedafemuoke8792 only the 'victim' does not actually view Bakugou as his 'abuser'.
I guess you missed all those times it was shown again and again that Bakugou always wants to be a winner by beating his enemy without anyone's help? Because he wants to prove to everyone (including himself) that he's the best and can always win on his own, like All Might? Explaining his 'stragedy' to Izuku would've meant that he's actually planning on working with him/using him in his plan, when Bakugou wants to be the sole and indisputable victor. Especially after he repeatedly kept getting humbled and put down by the events of this and the previous seasons. It's not 'for completely no reason', it's called an established character flaw that he needs to break through.
@@grinstrashcan Just because it's established in the show that what Bakugo is doing isn't the right thing doesn't mean I can't criticize him for doing it when he himself doesn't consider it to be a mistake. That's like saying I can't criticize Endeavor for abusing his kids because it's framed as something bad in the show. He can't even think straight and put aside his differences for a single test in order not to bomb it. He believes he can beat All Might all by himself without even telling Midoriya his plans, and puts him in danger by doing so. What would happen if he wanted to pull this stunt in the battlefield when it actually matters? When he wants to be considered the sole winner, and bites off more than he can chew? And what if he put people in danger because of it? He's making a stupid decision, and I'm able to criticize him for it.
@@Marta-uv4id you can criticise him just fine, I responded because you said that he didn't listen to him for 'no reason', when there is a very much established reason. And again, this is happening after Bakugou had experienced several repeated losses, and with his self-esteem issues and imposter syndrome, it's obvious why he's doing these mistakes without thinking. He's in a middle of an identity crisis and is not thinking straight. Winning by himself is the only thing on his mind right now.
I don't think people conceptualize the fact that they are fighting people who are trying to kill them on a daily basis. So yes training/School will be unfair and unpredictable because that is the job they are applying for pass or fail/win or lose/fight or flight/live or die.
fighting the same guy doesn't work because it gives later students more time to prepare for their quirk since they are all watching the exams
I mean, in the future, when in the field they won't be able to choose who they are working with all of the time anyway. The final is specific to the weaknesses of the teams they made. For Deku and Bakugo, it was said it was based off of their teamwork.
Mineta and Bakugo may be a bully and a pervert but that doesn't mean they cant be smart . They cam have good attributes to themselves.
I think the exams are a good practice foe the real world. When they become they will have to deal with villians who may have an advantage over them. This would be good experience to learn from.
Mineta is the GOAT
#MinetaSweep
I think there was a lot of talking past each other with the word "fair". It was being treated as "a fair fight between student and teacher" and "fair between the students, because they should have equivalent tests"
This was a good end discussion!
I aint gonna lie, Montana's position confused me a bit at first, but love the pasta idea
I'm not gonna say anything about the test type and how good or bad it is cause a thousand other comments already stated what I would. I will instead add this:
Unfortunately (and I understand why this is being seen as DUB and that's ok) there is information lost on the dub from the sub as the sub does go SLIGHTLY more in detail on why the test is as it is.
ALSO, Kenny did give a misinformation that if they fail this they go to summer school. There is a written vs practical exams grades happening, it's not just you fail practical you fully fail.
wow that discussion lol