U might call your self a Big Dummy sometimes, but you make some of the most educational car audio Videos out there for for sure brotha, let the force and volts be with you..
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@FATHER'S OF BASS For car audio purposes, 6s for 14-16.5 volt systems. 7s for 18-19 volt systems. I'm not using 12s, I'm using 6s 2p (6 in series, each bank in parallel). I'll have 2 more banks of 6 soon for more powa!
Lithium is soo cool. Which I could afford it right now, update: I've purchased 72ah of headway, power supply and a bunch of other junk to test and wire them up is here just waiting on the cells. Stoked to stay @ 14.3v when dumping the bass. Thanks for the info. It's all useful fosho
Just did 3 of these. 240ah. Replaced all my 7 titan 8 12volt. What a difference. Single 400 amp mechman alt. Ext regulator. Charge at 15.8-15.9. They will hold 15.1-15.3 for a minute with about a 1500amp current draw. So 500amp per bank. After about a minute it starts slowly dropping, but it’s rarely playing for more than 10-20 seconds at that volume. They also recharge fast. Back off the volume they are back at 15.8 very quickly. I could not more highly recommend these. I did 240ah with very nice bars. Each end accepts 10 sky high oversized 2/0. Total cost $3225. $1075 per bank. Great video big D.
@@GTILOUD I bought them in premade 80ah banks from CES. Much easier. Looks a lot nicer. Balanced and ready to go when you receive it. On any search engine type in ces 80ah. First thing that pops up.
@DrMichaelPetty- Im not doubting your experience with the Titan 8, but were they the PWR= power, or RSV= reserve? Also maybe something was not right in your setup, or the New Titan 8 PWR batteries are much better now? Because i just recently seen a test, where only 1- Titan 8 S6 PWR (10Ah @ 75c!) battery was used (only had a 6amp charger hooked up for the test), and it only dropped 1.8volts (16.0v to 14.2v) and powered an amp to 11,400 watts R.M.S. On the Smd amp dyno, with a 1,000 amp draw! The test bigdwiz ran in this video above, with the 2 banks of 40Ah YinLong Lto, (so 80Ah total), dropped from 15.0v to 11.0v with a 500Amp draw= 1/2 the amperage draw, and more than twice the voltage drop! And only made 5800 watts on the dyno.
@DrMichaelPetty- That 400 amp alt. charging @ 15.8v supplys 6,300 watts all by it self, then each bank of 80ah yinlongs support 6k, so x3 or 240ah= 18k of battery power, and 6,300 from alt. Power, for a total electrical power output, that would support 24k. The Xs power 6S Titan 8 PWR, charging @ 16.6v with a 400 amp alt., would only Require 3 of these tiny batteries ($799 x3= $2,397) to maintain 16v, with a 1500 amp draw.
Nice and clean ! As I was typing my comment you said it! You can get an 80ah bank for about 900 which is damn good I got a friend that spent 3-4 grand on XS lithium 🤦🏽♂️ I’m going to share this with him lol
You can build this bank with the xs power 45 which is rebranded yinlong but a 6 bank series is 45ah not 40h same shit Big D has here just 45. Anyways you can get a 12 cell bank of either the 40ah for 900 but the 45ah is 100$ more it's a lil over 1,000$ but that's 12 cell bank 90ah all the bus bars, bolts and balancer from Big Jeff he has both even the 35ah for a lil cheaper. What in the f*** did your friend buy that was 4 bands lol
@@GTILOUD wrong. For one, xs yinlong isnt real yinlong cells. Plus you can get REAL yinlong for $100 less than xs power sells them at sriko batteries or bms batteries websites. Xs power is full of shit, so is d4s lithium, brand x lithium, and limitless. Also 35, 40, and 45ah yinlong cells all have different c ratings. Big Jeff is a ripoff. Do better research.
Also, I would like to add that for car audio applications there are effecively no BMS modules that can efficiently sustain the current draws we may see (400A+). As such, nobody really runs the BMS in the car audio world. I would like to see a retest of this battery bank without the BMS.
I guess as a person who does not know much about batteries, you did not see the gigantic bus bars that you connect to the amp. The BMS he was using did not control the flow of current from the battery, it only maintains the balance of the cells to each other. I work for the sister company to Yinlong that actually licenses them the LTO to make these cells. I'm an engineer, so I know what I'm talking about. There are BMS modules that will run the power through the BMS, don't buy one of those for high power applications like car audio.
@@timhoover1416 There are definitely stand alone BMS units that can handle 500 amps continuous. Daly makes a 500 amp smart BMS that can do 500 amps continuous and I believe well over 1000 amps burst, and the BMS settings are accessible and adjustable. I've seen them for Lifepo4 batteries, but I haven't looked for an LTO BMS yet, but I'm sure they are out there. You are right though, the BMS would be a constant parasitic drain on the cells, and not desirable, even with the extra safety it provides. LTO Cells are already really safe and can take much higher Voltage than most car alternators provide, so I can understand why most people only run an active balancer with a 6s setup of LTO. Battery hookup has a nice little setup of LTO Cells for $200 that would be perfect for automotive duty, but I think I would probably want a 2p6s version of this setup, so at $400 plus balance board and some kind of Case, it's not so cheap anymore. It's probably still worth it though, just because they will outlast the car you put them in, but that's an argument you couldn't win with some people with a different viewpoint.
I went with JY 45.6 ah’s with 240a, 1 bank of XS power super caps, 2 15’s DC Audio level 5’s, 2 Crescendo 4k’s strapped while driving I don’t see under 14v. But I like these cells. Maybe switching in the future to CES 80 ah. Thanks big Dawg for the video. Excellent job.
Go with the ces 80ah its worth it ihave a 250 ces alt. Nd don't drop below 14.2. Full tilt Then climbs back up to 14.4 On a synergy wfo 5k at half ohm in 110+ degree. Heat when the cars been runnin g for a while im happy with my ces 80ah. Feels good playing full tilt on idle not dropping below 14.2
Dbuilt Series thanks for letting me know. That’s awesome to hear even in hot weather. In Ohio we’re hitting 90 degree while driving I’m in the 14’s full tilt. It’s when at idle I drop to 12.8 to 12.2. How do you do at idle?
@@UrAvgBasshead at idle im at 14.3 14.2 full tilt. These lto cells are bad ass well worth the money gained more volume i used to only play at volume 56 clean on a pioneer x8800bhs. Now i can play to volume 60 clean had to re set my gains and volt meter when i switched to the ces 80ah. I used to have 2 northstar agm nsb31s in the rear droping to like 13.2 13.4 at idle almost full tilt while driving around 13.8. 14.0. Now im at 14.4 14.5 full tilt driving once im fully warmed up.
@@UrAvgBasshead i haven't recharged this new ces 80ah i just installed it today i have. A Noco 26000 to charge it later on if i need to it should get the job done
@Williston Audio Labs. How long are these banks. I'm doing the same thing for my build. So I'm wanting to build a box to sit them in for safety and to look nicer. You have taught me tons of things. Thanks for being so informative
Interesting stuff! I just spent nearly $400 for the group 31 UltraCap instead, after watching EXO’s video on it. I already own the Maxwell ESM and love it. Wish I knew how to convert it for this
@@201231 I recently purchased that Ioxus cap opting for B-stock for 200 vs 400 (a couple days just about every vendor reduced regular price of 400 to 300) which only had some scratches and a little chip on the plastic seem. Purely cosmetic and honestly can't believe that cut the price in half. At any rate I am literally obsessed the cap it is unreal. I can't believe they don't seem to be gaining the traction they deserve. Running 2, 1k monoblock amps with factory premium amp (650ish watts) while charging my phone on a AC/DC converter with Heater/AC full tilt, windshield wipers on, and no perceivable voltage drops, lights dimming, and subs hitting so much harder maintaining consistent power with hungry continues trap bass lines. I literally almost want to purchase another one just in case mine gets stolen or breaks for some reason and they sell out (noticed some websites B-stock is getting low). But I figure with a 10 year or whatever it is warranty by the time the thing goes out whatever is available will be better or perhaps smaller which would be welcome. I still might buy another one while I can get one for 200 bucks for a christmas present or something. Father has a diesel truck that needs 2 batteries and a ton of juice to start so while not a basshead like me could use one of these and only 1 battery and not get stuck somewhere like we did the other day. Have a 5k amp on the way thats happy at mid 12 volts (sure you can guess which one that is) and just going to use my current 120 amp alternator (big 4 of course) and one XS AGM battery sitting next to the cap (have new LA battery under the hood, no isolator no issues) with 100% confidence. Just get one but please leave one B-stock left me me haha
LTO batteries don't have very good discharge efficiency so the capacity isn't quite going to match 40 Ah. They do have some other benefits, though, but LiFePo4 is probably still the best way to go.
This battery pack needs a bank of super caps to allow it to charge and discharge with out over heating. Draining those batteries like that dyno run did they won't last very long.
@@iamjackalope LTO cells are fine with being charged and discarged at 10C. That translates to 400 amps of current going in and out of them - per cell. Once you add six of these cells in series, you're looking at a battery pack that you can push 2400 amperes into/out of. Not that that is possible, there are too many other limiting factors, like the fact that 2400 amps at 12 volts would melt cables.
@Dave Micolichek Huh, yeah, you're right, I wasn't thinking that through. But still, you'd need one hell of a system to draw more than 400 amperes (and at 10C they can deliver that).
LTO batteries are quite odd for music aplications.. they can be used as a off grid solar system battery pack due to the cycle ratings ( Propperly charged and not full discharged etc. up to 25 000 maybe even more ) so they are worth it against Lead Acid but they are much mooooore expensive and BMS board is expensive too aspecially the more than 6S BMS for some type of aplications like power inverters from 24 to 230 Or 110 50/60Hz with huge ammount of power. And yes they are quite a bit expensive than LiFePO4 batteries but they have a highest longevity from all batteries. And also they could have 100Ah per one cell and they are i think 3.2V maybe idk 🤷♂️
when you do a draw test the cells will go back up slowly when in use,It had a big draw from the start so when voltage drop the amps go up .am using Headways but I want this setup now to go with my 1500F 16v, super caps ;)
Buddy is running 2 80ah CES batteries and a 370 amp alt. Charging at 15.3 drops to 15 full tilt and slowly goes down from there. Long demos no problem and charges back very quickly. 2 12k amps at half each
Ok so. Just to add to the parallel charging info.. You need to be careful when charging in parallel. Each cell needs to match as closely as possible. Not just in capacity but their impedance, IR (internal resistance) needs to be the same as well. If one cell is lazy, the parallel board is averaging the sum so others can take too much. I would cycle all of these probably 3 times then check what each cell accepts in capacity and what the IRs are. If they differ +\- 2%, don’t parallel them. This is much more crucial with other chemistries but still relevant here. Especially going in my vehicle. Anyways... Love your channel Big D... keep that shizz up 👊🏼.
I agree. We're generally talking about minor tolerances but it can add up and be catastrophic over time. Less of a problem with caps, but lithium fails in a much worse fashion (unless you can somehow manage to seal the vent on the cap and turn it in to the.. you know).
I have been doing tests on these batteries for 2 years. The problem that these batteries after charging up to 2.8V are quickly discharged automatically. In addition, each cells does not charge correctly. So at the moment of electronic calibration you will lose the total battery voltage. So, after a whole day of calibration, you need to recharge them again. I have batteries of the same company as you. I approach these batteries sold by individual Chinese shops are waste (bad somehow) from a large company - Yinlong. To buy good batteries, you need to apply directly to the manufacturer
Ok. so if you had 4 or more banks, and kept them fully charged using a 300+ amp alternator, would it be more than enough to power a car audio system, compared to having 4 or more lead acid batteries. Im thinking of using these lithium cells to replace the heavy car batteries, to save weight, and more so, space.
Yoooo. This is smart. I made a "home sound system" from a car audio setup in an mdf enclosure. Oldass Sony single din, 4 speakers, a jl 250/1 and a 12" infinity kappa. 12v comes from a PC psu. And reserve power from a huge lipo pack salvaged from a fried jump starter. The 12v regulated output from the psu will never over charge the lipos but they are in a battery sack just in case.
You should put a slim foam or cardboard between the cells. Just a safety suggestion just incase a cell overheats and bursts because of BMS malfunction from overcharging.
Is this still current as far as what people are using the Ying Long LTO cells? If so, is the price the same? I'm glad you mentioned in the video not to use an AGM with these because I was considering building one and having the AGM under the hood to the small one and have this in the back
I heard the LTO cells are fire safe. It's always a good idea to place batteries in a safe location, but perhaps these don't need a firewall. Not much information on these. Good point about not using these in the same circuit as standard car batteries.
And you can too after I send you to bad pre teen camp! You don’t really learn, the counselors will just harass you in disgusting ways instead. But at least you can sue!
You always have to use a voltage regulator with an alternator. Some come with an internal regulator and some use an external regulator. What the regulator does is help ensure the system stays at a desired voltage without overcharging
I guess if you need a consistant voltage for for an extended amount of time like an spl comp they would be ideal but for a daily driver tho lasting four times as long there also more than four times expensive than led acid marine set up.
So we are waiting for that classic hot rod to be fully electric when you're done teaching us about battery storage. If you wouldn't mind can you discuss the glass battery?
Currently running 240ah of these cells on 2 30ks not sure what voltage drop on 2 30ks are but on 1 with 1 370ext regulated alt my drop is .6v and clamped power is close to 25k from 1 30k. My V/M took Shit because it doesnt like lithium waiting on my new 1 to come in .
Nice idea to replace the car battery, make it more of a car-battery shape and use that for standard car battery, it should last longer, start car faster and be lighter
@@beardedforlife3740 it does where I live there are plenty states it does Still a great battery. Not knocking it. But they make block and battery heaters because of the cold already lol
James, I really feel that it's a misconception. I've done testing myself and input voltage didn't matter like that. I have asked multiple people to provide video proof that lower input voltage magically makes them more efficient but I have yet to see it.
Awesome vid, Dereck. Question...At the end of the 1st bank and the beginning of the 2nd bank (between cell pairs 3 and 4), it looks to continue to be series'd. If both banks of 6 are in parallel, where is the + to + and - to - relation? Just trying to gain a little knowledge here. EDIT: Never mind, I see what you did. My turn to be a Big Dummy, lol!
Great video great info.. im thinking about getting some Yinlong lithium but i keep hearing if u drain lithium off all the power they are trash after that and they can't be recharged after all the power has been drained. Dont know how tru that is? 🤷♂️ i appreciate u Old school keep them car audio test coming in .👍🏾 oh and can u pls see if u can do a test on the new Taramps MD 12k .5 ohm version thanks. Til next time Im outter heeeeeerrrrrrrr🏃♂️🏃♂️🏃♂️🏃♂️🏃♂️
Your better off buying it vs building right? Also sundown has this new super capacitor battery, is that capable to lithium? Will it be okay or just do a delete oem? Just curious
With 6 cells pulling 250a per bank at 40ah, you're putting a ~6c load on the cells and getting about .67vDC of drop per cell. Not surprised at all you dropped to 11vDC. Lithiums are great but they aren't magic. I've been asking for months for someone to get C rating charts for the cells because that's what's going to actually tell you how these cells handle load. The sweet spot is generally between 2-4C (80-160a per 40ah bank), so in a vehicle with an alternator you can expect significantly less voltage drop, about an entire volt or two less, but you really do need a decent sized bank and alternator to back it up (or time to recharge). 250a per bank is a lot.
Keep in mind that this is still far superior to lead acid or even AGM. You see people with hundreds of AH of batteries not 80ah. 400ah of batteries with a 500a load is what, 1.25c vs this bank at 6c?
I've been run an 80ah bank of lto with two 400amp mechman alts (15.5-15.8) clamping 11k-12k of amplifier and the bank has been loving it. Technically it could be 10c of charging and 8c-12c of discharging but unlikely that happens often when it's running. So far im highly impressed how well they hold in my system.
So really appreciate the video content you put out. Would it be possible to see how long the yinlong LTO will last with multiple back to back use of a 5k-ish load like you showed in the video? Until you get below 13.8v? The listed manufacturer cell average (6 cells 2.3v in series)
@@wal I look forward to it! I really appreciate the video content you do produce. Especially this one dispite the mistakes. Thank you for the hard work!
Hi need help finding someone who sells the hardware like you have on this video on the LTO cells. I love how hearty those bus connections look. Do you sell these items. If you also sell the LTO cells that would interest me also. Any advice would help just bought some of these cells on Amazon to try out but they bring no hardware at all.
@@kingrpriddick "6s" is a common phrase in rc community that refers to the voltage of the specific battery (one cell equals 4.2volts for a Lithium polymer battery)
@@BASSstarlet It's also a common arrangement for 12v lead acid replacement with LTO and LiFePO4 chemistries. I saw it done at least 6 years ago. "More common" 3.7v nominal cells like Lipo (not really a chemistry, more of a way to say pouch cell), NCO, NMC, etc can't really be used in automotive 12v applications.
So if they rest above 14 volts then I'm guessing you will need a standalone 16 volt alternator to charge them in an automotive application? The oem 14.4-15v isn't going to be high enough potential to push current into these once they are near full charge
okay well I'm question if you're willing to answer it good Sir 1. Do you connect this the same exact way you would connect a secondary battery? 2. Substituting this for a secondary battery along with a battery isolator with it. 3. Do we connect this the same exact way? Power wire basically 1/0 from the lithium + all the way to the battery isolator + into the front of a battery front main battery + So once we cranked the vehicle over (depending on what you're charging voltage is) Will it put for example 14.8v to both battery and lithium cells. I'm just going to use my vehicle as an example. I have a yellow top optima upfront d-35 I was going to buy a secondary D-35, I'm a fan of Optima batteries pretty-much old School technology. Anyway if not a I was going to buy a nvx 10 farad capacitor instead? I'm pretty much upgrading my sound system. With a CT sounds 1000.1 and a CT sounds 80.4 total amperage draw would be about 140 amps I think? Along with 135 amp alternator, 1/0 big 4 wiring job. I number this that way there is no confusion. I'm probably wording this wrong but I'm sure you probably know what I mean?
Big d wiz nice. Only q is .is that aluminium links isolated between the 2 banks? Or is each bank in series? And the links connect the 2 banks in parallel?
Basically series Parallel Series as in to get 13.8 v final Parallel as in , in series side by side parallel. If that makes sense or I may not be explaining it correctly. As you see 1 side of the bank the other side is exactly the same way. Pos-neg-pos-neg ect...
That’s was quite disappointing when it came to the amp dyno. You sounded disappointed aswell. Maybe you could charge the bank up and do a dynamic run? Interesting experiment nonetheless. Appreciate the informative videos as always. 👍
I had 80ah bank handling 9k clamped just fine. Charged at 16v and dropped to 15.8 at full tilt. Switched to plananno now though and more than doubled system wattage.
Hi big D,i have 80ah yinlong similar like this bank 300ah alternator and i want to buy 7.5k amp but my amp is running maximum 15v😐 will be ok 14,9 volts to charge my bank? Thanks⚡
If something happens and you kill them, can you get a jump start as usual ? CES's prebuilt bank looks good the DIY's not so much. Power may have been a $1 or more a watt way back when but we didn't have to spend $1100 or more on banks and $400+ on an alternator. Damn pay to play 😂.
You don't want to jump start with these. Your alt will charge them too fast if they are drained and cause potential problems. A lot of people keep their stock batt under the hood so they can reconnect in case of emergency.
U might call your self a Big Dummy sometimes, but you make some of the most educational car audio Videos out there for for sure brotha, let the force and volts be with you..
Just allow me to flub bolt vs nut and Nano vs Newton meter 🤦♂️
@@wal nothing exploded, you're doing aight
I agree. Good shit. I appreciate it! Thank you bro!
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@FATHER'S OF BASS For car audio purposes, 6s for 14-16.5 volt systems. 7s for 18-19 volt systems. I'm not using 12s, I'm using 6s 2p (6 in series, each bank in parallel). I'll have 2 more banks of 6 soon for more powa!
So is this an 80ah or 480ah? Each cell is 40 so 480 total right?
Fyi nm = newton meter not nano meter
Great catch. Big dummy lives
And a 12mm by 1.75 is a standard metric bolt 😉 nothing special.
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@@massivehertz3869 they were $0.95 each at my local hardware store and $0.16/ea at BoltDepot
@@massivehertz3869 mmyeah, M12 nut
Lithium is soo cool. Which I could afford it right now, update: I've purchased 72ah of headway, power supply and a bunch of other junk to test and wire them up is here just waiting on the cells. Stoked to stay @ 14.3v when dumping the bass. Thanks for the info. It's all useful fosho
Just did 3 of these. 240ah. Replaced all my 7 titan 8 12volt. What a difference. Single 400 amp mechman alt. Ext regulator. Charge at 15.8-15.9. They will hold 15.1-15.3 for a minute with about a 1500amp current draw. So 500amp per bank. After about a minute it starts slowly dropping, but it’s rarely playing for more than 10-20 seconds at that volume. They also recharge fast. Back off the volume they are back at 15.8 very quickly. I could not more highly recommend these. I did 240ah with very nice bars. Each end accepts 10 sky high oversized 2/0. Total cost $3225. $1075 per bank. Great video big D.
Do you have any links to where you purchased all of your stuff the bus bars the cells the balancer
@@GTILOUD I bought them in premade 80ah banks from CES. Much easier. Looks a lot nicer. Balanced and ready to go when you receive it. On any search engine type in ces 80ah. First thing that pops up.
@DrMichaelPetty- Im not doubting your experience with the Titan 8, but were they the PWR= power, or RSV= reserve? Also maybe something was not right in your setup, or the New Titan 8 PWR batteries are much better now? Because i just recently seen a test, where only 1- Titan 8 S6 PWR (10Ah @ 75c!) battery was used (only had a 6amp charger hooked up for the test), and it only dropped 1.8volts (16.0v to 14.2v) and powered an amp to 11,400 watts R.M.S. On the Smd amp dyno, with a 1,000 amp draw! The test bigdwiz ran in this video above, with the 2 banks of 40Ah YinLong Lto, (so 80Ah total), dropped from 15.0v to 11.0v with a 500Amp draw= 1/2 the amperage draw, and more than twice the voltage drop! And only made 5800 watts on the dyno.
@DrMichaelPetty- That 400 amp alt. charging @ 15.8v supplys 6,300 watts all by it self, then each bank of 80ah yinlongs support 6k, so x3 or 240ah= 18k of battery power, and 6,300 from alt. Power, for a total electrical power output, that would support 24k. The Xs power 6S Titan 8 PWR, charging @ 16.6v with a 400 amp alt., would only Require 3 of these tiny batteries ($799 x3= $2,397) to maintain 16v, with a 1500 amp draw.
Nice and clean ! As I was typing my comment you said it! You can get an 80ah bank for about 900 which is damn good I got a friend that spent 3-4 grand on XS lithium 🤦🏽♂️ I’m going to share this with him lol
I figured those XS lithiums were overpriced but damn. AGM for me
You can build this bank with the xs power 45 which is rebranded yinlong but a 6 bank series is 45ah not 40h same shit Big D has here just 45. Anyways you can get a 12 cell bank of either the 40ah for 900 but the 45ah is 100$ more it's a lil over 1,000$ but that's 12 cell bank 90ah all the bus bars, bolts and balancer from Big Jeff he has both even the 35ah for a lil cheaper. What in the f*** did your friend buy that was 4 bands lol
@@GTILOUD wrong. For one, xs yinlong isnt real yinlong cells. Plus you can get REAL yinlong for $100 less than xs power sells them at sriko batteries or bms batteries websites. Xs power is full of shit, so is d4s lithium, brand x lithium, and limitless. Also 35, 40, and 45ah yinlong cells all have different c ratings. Big Jeff is a ripoff. Do better research.
@@GTILOUD what about CMAX. They have a 45ah for $799.00? That sounds like a better way to go unless you know something I don't? Please do tell
Turned out good man, keep up the videos, loving it. 👍🏼👍🏼👊
Thanks for watching and commenting!
Also, I would like to add that for car audio applications there are effecively no BMS modules that can efficiently sustain the current draws we may see (400A+). As such, nobody really runs the BMS in the car audio world. I would like to see a retest of this battery bank without the BMS.
I guess as a person who does not know much about batteries, you did not see the gigantic bus bars that you connect to the amp. The BMS he was using did not control the flow of current from the battery, it only maintains the balance of the cells to each other. I work for the sister company to Yinlong that actually licenses them the LTO to make these cells. I'm an engineer, so I know what I'm talking about. There are BMS modules that will run the power through the BMS, don't buy one of those for high power applications like car audio.
No need for bms. Just use a cell balancer.
@@timhoover1416 There are definitely stand alone BMS units that can handle 500 amps continuous. Daly makes a 500 amp smart BMS that can do 500 amps continuous and I believe well over 1000 amps burst, and the BMS settings are accessible and adjustable. I've seen them for Lifepo4 batteries, but I haven't looked for an LTO BMS yet, but I'm sure they are out there. You are right though, the BMS would be a constant parasitic drain on the cells, and not desirable, even with the extra safety it provides. LTO Cells are already really safe and can take much higher Voltage than most car alternators provide, so I can understand why most people only run an active balancer with a 6s setup of LTO. Battery hookup has a nice little setup of LTO Cells for $200 that would be perfect for automotive duty, but I think I would probably want a 2p6s version of this setup, so at $400 plus balance board and some kind of Case, it's not so cheap anymore. It's probably still worth it though, just because they will outlast the car you put them in, but that's an argument you couldn't win with some people with a different viewpoint.
@@catch22frubertthank you for sharing this was very interesting sir 🤝 can I ask you a question please?
Very cool!! The custom electric 80ah battery is a steal when you include all the factors you mentioned.
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@@m3rk201 try 2nd..😂🤣
Hifi vega is a car audio god not the same lol im the first mortal haha
m3rk201 I’m more like car audio fool lol
Excellent set up for non-charging. I say that's a win for the bank.
I went with JY 45.6 ah’s with 240a, 1 bank of XS power super caps, 2 15’s DC Audio level 5’s, 2 Crescendo 4k’s strapped while driving I don’t see under 14v.
But I like these cells. Maybe switching in the future to CES 80 ah. Thanks big Dawg for the video. Excellent job.
Go with the ces 80ah its worth it ihave a 250 ces alt. Nd don't drop below 14.2. Full tilt Then climbs back up to 14.4 On a synergy wfo 5k at half ohm in 110+ degree. Heat when the cars been runnin g for a while im happy with my ces 80ah. Feels good playing full tilt on idle not dropping below 14.2
Dbuilt Series thanks for letting me know. That’s awesome to hear even in hot weather. In Ohio we’re hitting 90 degree while driving I’m in the 14’s full tilt. It’s when at idle I drop to 12.8 to 12.2. How do you do at idle?
@@UrAvgBasshead at idle im at 14.3 14.2 full tilt. These lto cells are bad ass well worth the money gained more volume i used to only play at volume 56 clean on a pioneer x8800bhs. Now i can play to volume 60 clean had to re set my gains and volt meter when i switched to the ces 80ah. I used to have 2 northstar agm nsb31s in the rear droping to like 13.2 13.4 at idle almost full tilt while driving around 13.8. 14.0. Now im at 14.4 14.5 full tilt driving once im fully warmed up.
Dbuilt Series what charger do you use and how often do you charge your battery?
@@UrAvgBasshead i haven't recharged this new ces 80ah i just installed it today i have. A Noco 26000 to charge it later on if i need to it should get the job done
I love all your videos great job every time 👍🏾
Been wondering about these lithiums. Your bank looks clean. Great video
Clean like a whistle
@Williston Audio Labs. How long are these banks. I'm doing the same thing for my build. So I'm wanting to build a box to sit them in for safety and to look nicer. You have taught me tons of things. Thanks for being so informative
@@walyou still running these?
It's crazy how far technology has come in just 3 years
Nice!!!!!
Thanks Will 🤙
? For both of you guys...would the lto be superior to lfp FOR CAR AUDIO (read that lto has faster charge/discharge rate)
Interesting stuff! I just spent nearly $400 for the group 31 UltraCap instead, after watching EXO’s video on it.
I already own the Maxwell ESM and love it. Wish I knew how to convert it for this
Do you like the ultra cap
@@201231 I recently purchased that Ioxus cap opting for B-stock for 200 vs 400 (a couple days just about every vendor reduced regular price of 400 to 300) which only had some scratches and a little chip on the plastic seem. Purely cosmetic and honestly can't believe that cut the price in half. At any rate I am literally obsessed the cap it is unreal. I can't believe they don't seem to be gaining the traction they deserve. Running 2, 1k monoblock amps with factory premium amp (650ish watts) while charging my phone on a AC/DC converter with Heater/AC full tilt, windshield wipers on, and no perceivable voltage drops, lights dimming, and subs hitting so much harder maintaining consistent power with hungry continues trap bass lines. I literally almost want to purchase another one just in case mine gets stolen or breaks for some reason and they sell out (noticed some websites B-stock is getting low). But I figure with a 10 year or whatever it is warranty by the time the thing goes out whatever is available will be better or perhaps smaller which would be welcome. I still might buy another one while I can get one for 200 bucks for a christmas present or something. Father has a diesel truck that needs 2 batteries and a ton of juice to start so while not a basshead like me could use one of these and only 1 battery and not get stuck somewhere like we did the other day. Have a 5k amp on the way thats happy at mid 12 volts (sure you can guess which one that is) and just going to use my current 120 amp alternator (big 4 of course) and one XS AGM battery sitting next to the cap (have new LA battery under the hood, no isolator no issues) with 100% confidence. Just get one but please leave one B-stock left me me haha
Nice setup Derek, on my wishlist.
Discharge and recharge the bank a couple times. It will improve.
LTO batteries don't have very good discharge efficiency so the capacity isn't quite going to match 40 Ah. They do have some other benefits, though, but LiFePo4 is probably still the best way to go.
This battery pack needs a bank of super caps to allow it to charge and discharge with out over heating. Draining those batteries like that dyno run did they won't last very long.
@@iamjackalope LTO cells are fine with being charged and discarged at 10C. That translates to 400 amps of current going in and out of them - per cell. Once you add six of these cells in series, you're looking at a battery pack that you can push 2400 amperes into/out of. Not that that is possible, there are too many other limiting factors, like the fact that 2400 amps at 12 volts would melt cables.
@Dave Micolichek Huh, yeah, you're right, I wasn't thinking that through. But still, you'd need one hell of a system to draw more than 400 amperes (and at 10C they can deliver that).
LTO batteries are quite odd for music aplications.. they can be used as a off grid solar system battery pack due to the cycle ratings ( Propperly charged and not full discharged etc. up to 25 000 maybe even more ) so they are worth it against Lead Acid but they are much mooooore expensive and BMS board is expensive too aspecially the more than 6S BMS for some type of aplications like power inverters from 24 to 230 Or 110 50/60Hz with huge ammount of power. And yes they are quite a bit expensive than LiFePO4 batteries but they have a highest longevity from all batteries. And also they could have 100Ah per one cell and they are i think 3.2V maybe idk 🤷♂️
so take my agm out from under the hood and run my main power wire to this to start the car and all?
yes you can
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Can you run the stinger isolator runing agm and lithium?
Great vid, I had a little chuckle when you flipped the cell over and I said newton-metre at the same time you said "nano-metre".
Happy holidays nice vid ... thumbs up
when you do a draw test the cells will go back up slowly when in use,It had a big draw from the start so when voltage drop the amps go up .am using Headways but I want this setup now to go with my 1500F 16v, super caps ;)
Buddy is running 2 80ah CES batteries and a 370 amp alt. Charging at 15.3 drops to 15 full tilt and slowly goes down from there. Long demos no problem and charges back very quickly. 2 12k amps at half each
Great feedback. I’m getting 2 more banks
@@wal can't wait to see it. I really appreciate you showing the setup.
If they don’t want to be paired with agm batteries is that for an extra battery or for the main battery too?
Main battery but not under the hood you would do a battery delete and place the yinlong away from heat
Ok so. Just to add to the parallel charging info..
You need to be careful when charging in parallel. Each cell needs to match as closely as possible. Not just in capacity but their impedance, IR (internal resistance) needs to be the same as well. If one cell is lazy, the parallel board is averaging the sum so others can take too much.
I would cycle all of these probably 3 times then check what each cell accepts in capacity and what the IRs are. If they differ +\- 2%, don’t parallel them. This is much more crucial with other chemistries but still relevant here. Especially going in my vehicle.
Anyways... Love your channel Big D... keep that shizz up 👊🏼.
I agree. We're generally talking about minor tolerances but it can add up and be catastrophic over time. Less of a problem with caps, but lithium fails in a much worse fashion (unless you can somehow manage to seal the vent on the cap and turn it in to the.. you know).
Did you not notice the balancer he used?
The force is strong in this one😂😂
Love this test. Can you also test the xs power xmax? Just curious because no one has done it yet
Would love to see you do a test on a 90ah cmax bank
Dude perfectly explained
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I have been doing tests on these batteries for 2 years. The problem that these batteries after charging up to 2.8V are quickly discharged automatically.
In addition, each cells does not charge correctly. So at the moment of electronic calibration you will lose the total battery voltage. So, after a whole day of calibration, you need to recharge them again. I have batteries of the same company as you.
I approach these batteries sold by individual Chinese shops are waste (bad somehow) from a large company - Yinlong.
To buy good batteries, you need to apply directly to the manufacturer
Ok. so if you had 4 or more banks, and kept them fully charged using a 300+ amp alternator, would it be more than enough to power a car audio system, compared to having 4 or more lead acid batteries. Im thinking of using these lithium cells to replace the heavy car batteries, to save weight, and more so, space.
Great information for guys like that are newbies
So we need some one to make a relay that cuts the connection to the agm batteries when not in use.
Yoooo. This is smart.
I made a "home sound system" from a car audio setup in an mdf enclosure. Oldass Sony single din, 4 speakers, a jl 250/1 and a 12" infinity kappa. 12v comes from a PC psu. And reserve power from a huge lipo pack salvaged from a fried jump starter. The 12v regulated output from the psu will never over charge the lipos but they are in a battery sack just in case.
Nice video about the lithium cells man, Cant wait to see more tests with them! Just Diz are Nuts not bolts lol
Don't worry BIG D ur still the man in my eyes brotha (✌🏼💪🏼🔈✌🏼💪🏼🔉✌🏼💪🏼🔊)
Looking forward to the LiFePO4 video, I'm wanting to do a headway build right now if I can find enough room.
Did u ever get the build, howd they work out
@@mkloudsql3285 nope, I've stayed lead acid :( maybe one day.
I'll be good with one bank (6 cells) and stock 120A alternator for 2k RMS?
Did you make a video on the headway cells? Can’t find it
Thanks for the info good video.👍🏽
You should put a slim foam or cardboard between the cells. Just a safety suggestion just incase a cell overheats and bursts because of BMS malfunction from overcharging.
Is this still current as far as what people are using the Ying Long LTO cells?
If so, is the price the same?
I'm glad you mentioned in the video not to use an AGM with these because I was considering building one and having the AGM under the hood to the small one and have this in the back
NICE! another diy battery build vid on youtube
How do those YingLong's like the cold weather??? Especially the - cold weather??? Do they stay charged in cold weather???
I believe up to -20c.
@@TechieTard thanks bruh
I made a pneumonic Se(R)ies adds the ampe(R)es and Parralle(L)adds the Vo(L)ts are you saying I got it wrong? at 6:06 you said series adds volts
Okay series keeps amperes the same and parrallel keeps volts the same thanks.
That thing looks sick!
Thanks bro 👌
Hi Big D. So what are your thoughts? are these good for playing music with the engine off for a while?
Full tilt looks like a better deal being in a case for $1099?
What is the best charger for the house? How many amps do you recommend?
I heard the LTO cells are fire safe. It's always a good idea to place batteries in a safe location, but perhaps these don't need a firewall. Not much information on these. Good point about not using these in the same circuit as standard car batteries.
Great video. This helped me alot.
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My buddie said you sound like dr.phil
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Ngl he does 😂
And you can too after I send you to bad pre teen camp! You don’t really learn, the counselors will just harass you in disgusting ways instead. But at least you can sue!
You sir are the best
So what happens when you are traveling? will the alternator overcharge lithium batteries if you drive around for long periods of time?
You always have to use a voltage regulator with an alternator. Some come with an internal regulator and some use an external regulator. What the regulator does is help ensure the system stays at a desired voltage without overcharging
Fancy looking big D I love it.
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Just an fyi, those are nuts, not bolts.
I guess if you need a consistant voltage for for an extended amount of time like an spl comp they would be ideal but for a daily driver tho lasting four times as long there also more than four times expensive than led acid marine set up.
You sure about that?
How do you add the monitor on the 6s balancer board ? And what is the other two jacks on the balancer board is ?
Whats the best charger for yinlong lto?
So we are waiting for that classic hot rod to be fully electric when you're done teaching us about battery storage. If you wouldn't mind can you discuss the glass battery?
You'll get more than 8k with these with good charging. They're a true 10c+ discharge. That balancer will balance 10 banks no problem. 60 cells
Great info. I needed a fact sheet to go over all of the benefits
@@wal I have 160ah going into my build. These cells are great.
@@DibeezyTheGifted on what alts.... Ty in advance
@@Simpleman1078 I've seen 80ah of these drop less be than a volt on a 250 amp alt clamping 9500 watts.
Currently running 240ah of these cells on 2 30ks not sure what voltage drop on 2 30ks are but on 1 with 1 370ext regulated alt my drop is .6v and clamped power is close to 25k from 1 30k. My V/M took Shit because it doesnt like lithium waiting on my new 1 to come in .
Dear sir, in the case of total 102 or 120 cells instead of 12 pcs of the video
, same connection with you. How many of these balancers I need ?
Still one balancer on your hardware it’ll be the same just an another row of yinlong
@@treveonalexander5452Thank you for your answer 🙏🙏
Nice idea to replace the car battery, make it more of a car-battery shape and use that for standard car battery, it should last longer, start car faster and be lighter
Don't want to put that under the hood though.. especially if you live where it gets cold
@@nebraskaninja1984 just put some material to keep it warm, heck nowadays car manufacturers do that for the regular car batteries
Still won't handle -30 though is the sad part. They make battery waters though.
@@nebraskaninja1984 do you realize how cold -30 is? Most of the lower 48 states rarely ever see -30 if at all
@@beardedforlife3740 it does where I live there are plenty states it does
Still a great battery. Not knocking it. But they make block and battery heaters because of the cold already lol
I was told by XS Power that a Balance board was not required for these cells.
When you test the taramps they like a lower input voltage needs to be bout 2v preamp at the rca
I’ve already tested it as you will see in a future vid
James, I really feel that it's a misconception. I've done testing myself and input voltage didn't matter like that. I have asked multiple people to provide video proof that lower input voltage magically makes them more efficient but I have yet to see it.
Awesome vid, Dereck. Question...At the end of the 1st bank and the beginning of the 2nd bank (between cell pairs 3 and 4), it looks to continue to be series'd. If both banks of 6 are in parallel, where is the + to + and - to - relation? Just trying to gain a little knowledge here. EDIT: Never mind, I see what you did. My turn to be a Big Dummy, lol!
What will protect the cell voltage from dropping too low?
Pretty much have to keep an eye on the voltage. They are good down to 9 volts before they would even come close to hurting them.
@@sethgt1234 have you had yinlong cells below 10v and been fine?
Great video great info.. im thinking about getting some Yinlong lithium but i keep hearing if u drain lithium off all the power they are trash after that and they can't be recharged after all the power has been drained. Dont know how tru that is? 🤷♂️ i appreciate u Old school keep them car audio test coming in .👍🏾 oh and can u pls see if u can do a test on the new Taramps MD 12k .5 ohm version thanks. Til next time Im outter heeeeeerrrrrrrr🏃♂️🏃♂️🏃♂️🏃♂️🏃♂️
Great video! You should do a custom amplifier build series...
Your better off buying it vs building right? Also sundown has this new super capacitor battery, is that capable to lithium? Will it be okay or just do a delete oem? Just curious
Any company supply these to New Zealand?
With 6 cells pulling 250a per bank at 40ah, you're putting a ~6c load on the cells and getting about .67vDC of drop per cell. Not surprised at all you dropped to 11vDC. Lithiums are great but they aren't magic. I've been asking for months for someone to get C rating charts for the cells because that's what's going to actually tell you how these cells handle load. The sweet spot is generally between 2-4C (80-160a per 40ah bank), so in a vehicle with an alternator you can expect significantly less voltage drop, about an entire volt or two less, but you really do need a decent sized bank and alternator to back it up (or time to recharge). 250a per bank is a lot.
Keep in mind that this is still far superior to lead acid or even AGM. You see people with hundreds of AH of batteries not 80ah. 400ah of batteries with a 500a load is what, 1.25c vs this bank at 6c?
Great point 👌
I've been run an 80ah bank of lto with two 400amp mechman alts (15.5-15.8) clamping 11k-12k of amplifier and the bank has been loving it. Technically it could be 10c of charging and 8c-12c of discharging but unlikely that happens often when it's running. So far im highly impressed how well they hold in my system.
Oh soo nice BigD👈😎👉. ✌️out from Cali 😎
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With that charger did you charge after assembly or before you assembly
Thanks for the video! I’ve been looking for a place to buy these yinlong.
Diycentralshop.com also linked in video description and pinned comment 😊
@@wal where can purchase the battery monitor and is it necessary to get a big alternator while using these batteries?
do you use stainless nuts? I think it's important. magnetic metal also on the battery.
Do you not reduce capacity when you series connect?
Did you ever do a video of the headway cells?
So really appreciate the video content you put out. Would it be possible to see how long the yinlong LTO will last with multiple back to back use of a 5k-ish load like you showed in the video? Until you get below 13.8v? The listed manufacturer cell average (6 cells 2.3v in series)
I will show more LTO in the future
@@wal I look forward to it! I really appreciate the video content you do produce. Especially this one dispite the mistakes. Thank you for the hard work!
Hi need help finding someone who sells the hardware like you have on this video on the LTO cells. I love how hearty those bus connections look. Do you sell these items. If you also sell the LTO cells that would interest me also. Any advice would help just bought some of these cells on Amazon to try out but they bring no hardware at all.
I'll never expected to hear "6S" in a car audio video!
Get used to it, Lead Acid is dying.
@@kingrpriddick im sure you have no idea about electric RC models....
@@BASSstarlet You are? You might want to check that assumption.
@@kingrpriddick "6s" is a common phrase in rc community that refers to the voltage of the specific battery (one cell equals 4.2volts for a Lithium polymer battery)
@@BASSstarlet It's also a common arrangement for 12v lead acid replacement with LTO and LiFePO4 chemistries. I saw it done at least 6 years ago. "More common" 3.7v nominal cells like Lipo (not really a chemistry, more of a way to say pouch cell), NCO, NMC, etc can't really be used in automotive 12v applications.
Can i use a lithium bank like that of your video with agm batteries using a battery isolator?
So if they rest above 14 volts then I'm guessing you will need a standalone 16 volt alternator to charge them in an automotive application? The oem 14.4-15v isn't going to be high enough potential to push current into these once they are near full charge
Also you can buy some pretty good size lithium batteries from used medical equipment supply places.
Great video. Excellent video. However I would use nylock nuts and flat washers.
Hey Derrick do you dalethe LTO 660 batteries
I’m confused what is this for
Is this replacing car battery for car stereo or is this for home use
How would you combine these with super caps?
these then caps then amp
okay well I'm question if you're willing to answer it good Sir
1. Do you connect this the same exact way you would connect a secondary battery?
2. Substituting this for a secondary battery along with a battery isolator with it.
3. Do we connect this the same exact way? Power wire basically 1/0 from the lithium + all the way to the battery isolator + into the front of a battery front main battery + So once we cranked the vehicle over (depending on what you're charging voltage is) Will it put for example 14.8v to both battery and lithium cells. I'm just going to use my vehicle as an example. I have a yellow top optima upfront d-35 I was going to buy a secondary D-35, I'm a fan of Optima batteries pretty-much old School technology. Anyway if not a I was going to buy a nvx 10 farad capacitor instead? I'm pretty much upgrading my sound system. With a CT sounds 1000.1 and a CT sounds 80.4 total amperage draw would be about 140 amps I think? Along with 135 amp alternator, 1/0 big 4 wiring job.
I number this that way there is no confusion. I'm probably wording this wrong but I'm sure you probably know what I mean?
Good video! Can those be ran together with the AGM battery?
No, they are higher resting voltage than 12V AGM and should not be used together
Are these cells really explosionless/fireless? Please test and short one out for us.
Nice setup. I have some prismatic LTO's 20ah though
Big d wiz nice. Only q is .is that aluminium links isolated between the 2 banks? Or is each bank in series? And the links connect the 2 banks in parallel?
Basically series Parallel
Series as in to get 13.8 v final
Parallel as in , in series side by side parallel. If that makes sense or I may not be explaining it correctly.
As you see 1 side of the bank the other side is exactly the same way. Pos-neg-pos-neg ect...
That’s was quite disappointing when it came to the amp dyno. You sounded disappointed aswell. Maybe you could charge the bank up and do a dynamic run? Interesting experiment nonetheless. Appreciate the informative videos as always. 👍
I was a bit disappointed honestly, but I’ve also ordered more cells 😝
Now kidding almost need like 240 ah which is a couple grand. Stuff
Isnt cheap. For sure.
@@stevemaniaci4750 I currently have 160ah in my car with approximately 16k of amps. And get 0.1v drop.
I had 80ah bank handling 9k clamped just fine. Charged at 16v and dropped to 15.8 at full tilt. Switched to plananno now though and more than doubled system wattage.
Is there any accessaries competible with Yinlong Prismatic?
Hi big D,i have 80ah yinlong similar like this bank 300ah alternator and i want to buy 7.5k amp but my amp is running maximum 15v😐 will be ok 14,9 volts to charge my bank? Thanks⚡
The high-end 6s banks are stable up to 16 volts charging I just ordered mine from SSA the 40 amp hour model can't wait.
So how much power did the amp do on the agm bank?
If something happens and you kill them, can you get a jump start as usual ?
CES's prebuilt bank looks good the DIY's not so much.
Power may have been a $1 or more a watt way back when but we didn't have to spend $1100 or more on banks and $400+ on an alternator.
Damn pay to play 😂.
You don't want to jump start with these. Your alt will charge them too fast if they are drained and cause potential problems. A lot of people keep their stock batt under the hood so they can reconnect in case of emergency.
when you say you are measuring one of the two 0 gauge inputs, why do you have two inputs?
Multiple runs for better current potential
@@beardedforlife3740 ah, so they are in parallel.
I just ordered 10 (2024) and wondering if you still use the yin’s? Thx :)