I just switched from 2 xs power d3400 and an xp3000 for an 80ah lto bank, I actually bought them from showtime electronics after seeing EXO's video a couple weeks ago. I was on the fence about LTO for a while but I couldn't pass up the price. I have the same LAF case with the Jims Machineworx standard bars. Looks amazing. I have a 320 amp singer alt that charges up to 15.3 volts. The difference in available power is ridiculous. Never below 13.9 in the city, never below 14.8 highway and that's playing loud enough that the fans for the taramps smart bass 8k turn on in the winter. Also the fact that when I'm driving down the highway, when the bass hits I don't feel my car slow down and the rpm's go up anymore. It is a massive benefit. The sub sounds different as well. Must not be clipping as much.
AGM are a waste of money these days. Too big, too heavy, too expensive, and one small LTO or even life p04 will do 3 or 4 times as much as an expensive AGM. Plus the lithium have higher resting voltage and fast recharge rate.
Hey Jeff, which UN sticker are you required to use on the shipping box for these? I have quite a few 250ft rolls of 3 types for sale at the cheapest you can find them.
That was really cool, you would probably be interested in how I play my 8 string electric. I have it set in alternating major and minor 3rds. Keeps the board symmetrical but even better is it stay harmonic and it's been my secret just for me.
The problem with LTO cells is that they quickly shift into the koyaanisqatsi mode when SOC is over 80%, so only charge them with a maximum of 2.55 volts per cell. Approximately +-60AH is sufficient charge.
Hey man I'm really really wanting to buy this exact setup for my car to give my subs and amp it's best power source and get the full potential out of everything but I'm wondering if I can delete my stock battery and use just this I don't want any restrictions on the current flow from a lead acid battery and my car (2019 Toyota Camry) can not take a HO alternator so I have been told by Mechman J&S and numerous other sources that my best bet is an LTO power source but a lot of them are wanting to upsale me for 3 titan 8's almost 2000$ and it's a total of 30 AH of LTO this is more than that 40 AH of LTO I think and 400$ I just need help figuring out how to use just this or what can be used with this to make it work please help
I shared ur coupon code with a client on a install he told me he saved 18% ❤ comparing prices with and without so idk but if thats true thats a huge amount
I worry about any of the nuts may become loose under vibration . Did you use any spring washers or Loctite thread locker when tightening all the nuts ?
Hi there I like the video 💯💯💯 just the quick 1 why you desolder that 2 point on the Balance? I have 200ah lto build from scratch but not too sure to do balancer. I got the same 1 you using. Should I do the same desolder you done? Cheers
Great video,my confusion is the BMS/balancer. Looks like you used tge 6s one on the 80ah 12cell build. But the big jeff Audio 12 cell kit has a 8s one. Just trying figure it out bc i recently got 12 cells and already have a hetec 4s/6s bms but not sure if it will work.
Basically when using these for car audio applications you are essentially joining 2 of the cells together like in this 12 cell setup. They are in pairs each 2 cells share a buss bar so basically even though it is a 12 cell as far as the balancer goes it’s wired like a 6 cell. If the were all separate you would have a 28 volt setup and no cells would share a buss bar. But to keep the voltage in car audio range you have multiples of 6. And so yes the 6s balancer or the 8s balancer on big Jeff will work. Just with the 8s you would only use 6 of the 8.
Any way you could post a link for the balancer case and also the cell case. I’m wanting to order the same 12 cell kit but big Jeff is sold out. Thanks man.
Before you put then in your vehicle, MAKE SURE the pack is fully charged. If you do not, it will hammer on your alternator and most likely damage it. If installed correctly with a big 3 upgrade, your alternator will keep it charged. With these cells, it's highly recommended to upgrade your alternator to a High Output. Good luck and be safe with any lithium battery!
Yes you need one if you are using with an AGM or head acid battery. Reason is because when the car is off the resting voltage will be higher on the LTO so basically the LTO will charge the other battery since its voltage is higher until they both reach the same equal voltage. You can use without and isolator but not ideal. Isolators are cheap and easy to install. Here is an isolator that I use. amzn.to/3HxE6j0
@@HiFiVector ok thanks for the answer and clarification. Do you know if the down4sound lto 6.0 will need one. I heard they are designed to not need an isolator with using with AGM?
Seems like alot of work. And what about the upkeep of these cells? I have a xs d3400 a mechman 240 alt. Two sundown x10v3 s in a custom ported box. One deafbonce 2100 watt amp. Big 4 . Zero Guage wire . I wanted to get more power to my subs. They are rated at 2,000 watts RMS . Should I run RMS or more. I was going to buy the deafbonce aak 4,000 Also Considering deafbonce aak 6,000. Or should I go with deafbonce aak 8,000 watts. Longevity of subs who knows. The thing is I will need more battery reserve. LTO or AGM? I don't really want to charge batteries or worry about them
It’s really not much work and these 6 cell 40 ah LTO will do what 2 or 3 xs AGM will do. You only have to charge the first time before installing into your car. After that your alternator charges them. You just need to use a $30 500 amp battery isolater for a 6 cell LTO mixed with your under hood AGM.
Really I know nothing about lithium. Do you think with what I have already if I got a 6 pack lithium cell bank. Would that be enough for like let's say a 8k amp???.
So i just won a bank from exos giveaway . Am i going to need to get an alternator and voltage regular so it charges more than the 14.2 my stock is putting out. I have a ford crown vic police car. I heard these have a slightly higher output alternator due to the higher need for powering the lights on the cops cars. Or can i use the ltos on my stock set up? This is new to me.
They will work with a stock alternator, but just make sure you use a battery isolator so they don’t backfeed your starting battery for your car. as far as alternators go, I would definitely check out Auto Tech engineering. They have great alternators that are very reasonably priced.and get you up to about 14.8 V that will make everything more optimal.
@@HiFiVector I cant find a case for the 6pk of LTO, only 12pk case at LAF. If I am charging at 15.0 cold and 14.7+ hot is this a better option than LiFePO4 at 28ah, comparing against the 40 ah 6pk of LTO? I was thinking Glowe Voltage series 2, but My voltage might be too high, and they are OOS and I need something soon.
Your voltage technically is too high for lifePo4 which usually should be kept at 14.6 or less. So the LTO cells will be a better bet for you. I prefer LTO personally. The 6 cell LTO will be better than that 28ah lifeP04. The case I got from laf.
I would def think these are 40 ah each… according to the site, when purchasing a single cell it is still listed as 40 ah. If this is true, I am oversold.. kk 3rd edit and I might be reading it wrong, Idk
I just switched from 2 xs power d3400 and an xp3000 for an 80ah lto bank, I actually bought them from showtime electronics after seeing EXO's video a couple weeks ago. I was on the fence about LTO for a while but I couldn't pass up the price. I have the same LAF case with the Jims Machineworx standard bars. Looks amazing. I have a 320 amp singer alt that charges up to 15.3 volts. The difference in available power is ridiculous. Never below 13.9 in the city, never below 14.8 highway and that's playing loud enough that the fans for the taramps smart bass 8k turn on in the winter. Also the fact that when I'm driving down the highway, when the bass hits I don't feel my car slow down and the rpm's go up anymore. It is a massive benefit. The sub sounds different as well. Must not be clipping as much.
AGM are a waste of money these days. Too big, too heavy, too expensive, and one small LTO or even life p04 will do 3 or 4 times as much as an expensive AGM. Plus the lithium have higher resting voltage and fast recharge rate.
Great Review.. We also have the 10amp balancer also for the 2 banks and more.. We also have 35AH cells
Thanks so much! Good to know you have all the options available for whatever’s guys are looking for.
Hey Jeff, which UN sticker are you required to use on the shipping box for these? I have quite a few 250ft rolls of 3 types for sale at the cheapest you can find them.
Thank you. This was oneof my favorite videosso far!
Glad you enjoyed it! Thank you
Great video. Even though I will never make a bank this was very interesting to watch
Nice one hifi. You took some of yhe fear out of assembling an lto bank on my own instead of the titan8 or lto6.0 from d4s. I may go this route
MUCH APPRECIATED 👌👌👌
Lookinh forward to the vid comparing the different lithiums and agms
That's a nice case
That was really cool, you would probably be interested in how I play my 8 string electric. I have it set in alternating major and minor 3rds. Keeps the board symmetrical but even better is it stay harmonic and it's been my secret just for me.
It was annoying getting those balancer wires under the standoffs. Definitely the best bank I've had so far
Very good work! I would assume, that thing would last forever as the main starter battery.
28:36 Dude!😮😮 80amps 4 less than a 1000$$ I'm sold..
I subscribed. 👍
Thank you!
what size are the cell nuts on the bus bar?
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The problem with LTO cells is that they quickly shift into the koyaanisqatsi mode when SOC is over 80%, so only charge them with a maximum of 2.55 volts per cell. Approximately +-60AH is sufficient charge.
Hey man I'm really really wanting to buy this exact setup for my car to give my subs and amp it's best power source and get the full potential out of everything but I'm wondering if I can delete my stock battery and use just this I don't want any restrictions on the current flow from a lead acid battery and my car (2019 Toyota Camry) can not take a HO alternator so I have been told by Mechman J&S and numerous other sources that my best bet is an LTO power source but a lot of them are wanting to upsale me for 3 titan 8's almost 2000$ and it's a total of 30 AH of LTO this is more than that 40 AH of LTO I think and 400$ I just need help figuring out how to use just this or what can be used with this to make it work please help
I shared ur coupon code with a client on a install he told me he saved 18% ❤ comparing prices with and without so idk but if thats true thats a huge amount
Nice thanks! Glad he saved some cash!
I worry about any of the nuts may become loose under vibration . Did you use any spring washers or Loctite thread locker when tightening all the nuts ?
Just used Dan of silicone on the threads after the bolt were tightened.
Hi there I like the video 💯💯💯 just the quick 1 why you desolder that 2 point on the Balance?
I have 200ah lto build from scratch but not too sure to do balancer. I got the same 1 you using. Should I do the same desolder you done? Cheers
Because the solder points change battery types. So depending on what cells you are using.
Great video,my confusion is the BMS/balancer. Looks like you used tge 6s one on the 80ah 12cell build. But the big jeff Audio 12 cell kit has a 8s one. Just trying figure it out bc i recently got 12 cells and already have a hetec 4s/6s bms but not sure if it will work.
Basically when using these for car audio applications you are essentially joining 2 of the cells together like in this 12 cell setup. They are in pairs each 2 cells share a buss bar so basically even though it is a 12 cell as far as the balancer goes it’s wired like a 6 cell. If the were all separate you would have a 28 volt setup and no cells would share a buss bar. But to keep the voltage in car audio range you have multiples of 6. And so yes the 6s balancer or the 8s balancer on big Jeff will work. Just with the 8s you would only use 6 of the 8.
@@HiFiVector awesome thank you
Nice instructional video, I have a question would I still need the battery balancer if i only did one bank of 6?
Yes because the balancer is for individual cells. When you strap 12 cells like mine essentially you are combining 2 cells and they act as one.
Okay, thank you for the response.
can you run these DIY lifepo4 assemblies with 2 or 3 high out put alternators ? how many 6 cell banks can you connect together?
Yes you can. Really you put as many together as you want.
Would like to see the agm test
Where did you get the acrylic box? That would be so much easier than how I was going to build one. The link would be awesome.
Great video!!
Thank you search online for LAF audio.
hey i wanna know how did you order the clear case i have the same exact battery as you and when i go on the page it says only for 2x3 or 1x6
Not sure maybe they are out of stock or something?
Can you use these for a 16v system? I’m thinking about doing this. Great video
Thank you! And yes these work up to 16.2 volts.
Great video. What is the dimensions of your bank?
I just put a bank of 6, 2.3v, 40 ah cells, together. How do you recommend charging them?
Charge slowly at 5 amps or less for initial charge and use a proper lithium battery charger.
how much watts will this put out in an audio system ? and how much amps total output ?
12,000w 1000 amps.
Any way you could post a link for the balancer case and also the cell case. I’m wanting to order the same 12 cell kit but big Jeff is sold out. Thanks man.
www.ebay.com/itm/256269563391?mkcid=16&mkevt=1&mkrid=711-127632-2357-0&ssspo=w99m10XoSlW&sssrc=4429486&ssuid=a1SE0u_sQfa&var=&widget_ver=artemis&media=COPY
loudaf.net/products/yinlong-battery-case-kit-diy
Hey Hifi, could you link the charger please? I didn't see it in the description.
Opps sorry I just added it to the video description.
@HiFiVector You're the greatest, thank you brother!
@@theinsaneunknown You are very welcome!
How do you keep 'em charged once they're in the car?
Before you put then in your vehicle, MAKE SURE the pack is fully charged. If you do not, it will hammer on your alternator and most likely damage it. If installed correctly with a big 3 upgrade, your alternator will keep it charged. With these cells, it's highly recommended to upgrade your alternator to a High Output. Good luck and be safe with any lithium battery!
@@theinsaneunknownso should I connect to under hood battery or straight to alternator kinda confused.
Can you add a link or comment me where you got the bussbars for that bank or the name of them please buddy?
Sure added the link
Do I need a battery isolator? Some people say you don’t really need one and others say you do. If you don’t install one what would happen
Yes you need one if you are using with an AGM or head acid battery. Reason is because when the car is off the resting voltage will be higher on the LTO so basically the LTO will charge the other battery since its voltage is higher until they both reach the same equal voltage. You can use without and isolator but not ideal. Isolators are cheap and easy to install. Here is an isolator that I use.
amzn.to/3HxE6j0
@@HiFiVector ok thanks for the answer and clarification. Do you know if the down4sound lto 6.0 will need one. I heard they are designed to not need an isolator with using with AGM?
Seems like alot of work. And what about the upkeep of these cells? I have a xs d3400 a mechman 240 alt. Two sundown x10v3 s in a custom ported box. One deafbonce 2100 watt amp. Big 4 . Zero Guage wire . I wanted to get more power to my subs. They are rated at 2,000 watts RMS . Should I run RMS or more. I was going to buy the deafbonce aak 4,000
Also Considering deafbonce aak 6,000. Or should I go with deafbonce aak 8,000 watts. Longevity of subs who knows. The thing is I will need more battery reserve. LTO or AGM? I don't really want to charge batteries or worry about them
It’s really not much work and these 6 cell 40 ah LTO will do what 2 or 3 xs AGM will do. You only have to charge the first time before installing into your car. After that your alternator charges them. You just need to use a $30 500 amp battery isolater for a 6 cell LTO mixed with your under hood AGM.
Really I know nothing about lithium. Do you think with what I have already if I got a 6 pack lithium cell bank. Would that be enough for like let's say a 8k amp???.
Which aftermarket buss bars can these lto's fit. you should do a video about what buss bars fit what lto's.
Check out big Jeff audio they sell buss bars for the LTO cells.
@@HiFiVector will do brotha.
Are these good on 14.89v ?
Yes while not “ max” voltage these LTO still work well at 14.4 v
How much power would this support?
Approx 5 to 10k but that Depends on the rest of your electrical.
How many balancer I need for 18? 😢
1
@@treveonalexander5452 to late, I bought 3 😢
So i just won a bank from exos giveaway . Am i going to need to get an alternator and voltage regular so it charges more than the 14.2 my stock is putting out. I have a ford crown vic police car. I heard these have a slightly higher output alternator due to the higher need for powering the lights on the cops cars. Or can i use the ltos on my stock set up? This is new to me.
They will work with a stock alternator, but just make sure you use a battery isolator so they don’t backfeed your starting battery for your car. as far as alternators go, I would definitely check out Auto Tech engineering. They have great alternators that are very reasonably priced.and get you up to about 14.8 V that will make everything more optimal.
@@HiFiVector thank you for the reply! I was thinking about just deleting the front agm battery
you don't have to balance before the balancer I've built 2 banks without issues.
So this isn't the same thing as like a limitless lithium super cap?
No this is an actually battery not just a cap.
@@HiFiVector I cant find a case for the 6pk of LTO, only 12pk case at LAF.
If I am charging at 15.0 cold and 14.7+ hot is this a better option than LiFePO4 at 28ah, comparing against the 40 ah 6pk of LTO?
I was thinking Glowe Voltage series 2, but My voltage might be too high, and they are OOS and I need something soon.
Your voltage technically is too high for lifePo4 which usually should be kept at 14.6 or less. So the LTO cells will be a better bet for you. I prefer LTO personally. The 6 cell LTO will be better than that 28ah lifeP04. The case I got from laf.
Thanks for the reply, much appreciated! @@HiFiVector
Should've come with a jumper instead of soldering
12 40ah lithium is 480ah total?
No 6 of them make 40ah because each cell is 2.3v so you have to wire 6of them up to get proper 6s configuration so 12 is 80ah
@@matthewmoyer124 Whats the difference with 12 of these 80ah than single 80ah agm?
I would def think these are 40 ah each… according to the site, when purchasing a single cell it is still listed as 40 ah. If this is true, I am oversold.. kk 3rd edit and I might be reading it wrong, Idk
Better with thicker wire or bars ,,that' takes to long ,wire to thin .