I Can’t Believe This Happened AGAIN!
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- Опубліковано 29 сер 2024
- In this video we get another flight on the Align TB60. Unfortunately breaking yet another main gear. Have any if you had the gear break on the TB60? Please let me know.
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Exact same thing has happened to me with my TB60 and the Align 150, gear stripped when the ESC re-started on the ground. Also with a HW150 random shut-offs. But can say I have a HW150 in my Nimbus and it's worked perfectly.
Hmm! That’s interesting! I have a few 150s in other machines and never had an issue. But exactly like you said if it powers down and then tries the power back up it will break the gear.
The TB70 has the same problem. Align has released an upgraded gear to fix the problem.
They did for the TB70 but unfortunately there is no update or different gear for the 60
Got the same speedo myself and that auto cut that happened where it killed power for you is like a safety feature the HW’s have I guess. I’ve had this happen with my HW 200 & HW 150 both times with VBar software after I discovered an issue on my airframe. The first time on my 700 the tail pulley set screw came lose and the spike in rpm initiated that loss of power just like your video. And with my 150 it did the same and this time it happened because a motor wire insulation had been cut from a carbon edge and when it arced it made the Esc hit that safety shutdown mode. I’m honestly happy it does that because it hit hold for me and cut power and still let me auto it down with servos working just like your video. It’s a blessing to have that imo.
Unfortunate the gear went out.
Good save!!!
Thank you!
Lol. Poor Align. There combo pricing is great to a new comer to get started but all there gear train has had real problems from the tail to the main. Yentech/ Tron and SAB make a great product thats what in my fleet. When i kill of all my SAB Tron will be my favorite on the list with Vbar that combo is tops for me.😂 I must say thank you for all you videos it help out everyone in the hobby. Your the man!!!!
Thank you! I greatly appreciate that. I’ve flown Align for many many years and had my fair share of issues but in today’s world SAB first then Tron make the best helis on the market. You can’t go wrong with any of them!
Awesome flight and narration. We all struggle with gears even in our small RC cars. Hopefully you find a good upgrade replacement.
Well over a hundred flights on ours, using the align ESC that came with the 12S combo kit. I've flown it many 3D flights similar to what you showed there and lots of the Boy learning to fly. I agree there should be a third bearing below the main gear but we haven't had any problems. I'd say you have something going on out of the ordinary, ESC problems, ESC motor timing, a problem with you pinion gear, a problem with a baring on the main shaft or on the pinion.
I’m hoping it just a lemon, everything is tight and straight, no wobble or back lash issues in the gear train. It’s a weird issue. The last gear just blew apart and this one broke three teeth out of the gear. Lock the OWB is locking up and locking the drive train solid.
I was contemplating getting the TB60 and TB70 to save bucks, , but it's looking like I might have to spring for the SABs instead my friend. Thanks for the flights , because we can't all of the flight R and D like you do .
That is exactly why I post these videos. Manufacturers get mad at me and don’t want to work with me which is perfectly fine but I’d rather find these issues and problems out so people like you don’t have to purchase and make the same mistakes I did.
I feel your frustration. That was a good save though. Text book! You have no idea how close I've come to getting the TB-70 combo. For some reason, I decided to get a Tron. Im waiting on the 7 Advance to be available. I like smooth & graceful flying so im setting up with a 6S system. Ive never used Hobbywing but planning on getting the HW 130 & Xnova 4025 ~ 1120. I, like many will be interested to hear the results of the stripped gear issue you shared with us. Carry on man...
It’s really frustrating! It sucks to go fly and charge a bunch of packs up and get one flight and break a gear I can’t fix at the field let alone having to save it every time and put it in! You can’t go wrong with anTron model! They make some great helicopters. I’m going to build a Tron advanced sooner or later. I would say go with a Hobbywing 150 as the 130 is really a HV ESC and not needed on the Tron with a 6s setup.
I'll take your advice on that. It'll save me $ too. Thanks.
I loved align ever since the 450 came out. I remember when I was working at a hobby shop at 16 and the 600 came out, we couldn’t believe it. Fast forward, I lost respect for Align after owning the 500X. The fact that they designed a helicopter that had such a low tail ratio that you had to run it at insane high head speed just to not blow out the tail on a hard tik tok. And then it’d zap anything other than a premium pack from the amp draw due to gearing - what a nightmare.
I too have been flying Align since the 450 came out. I still own multiple align models. And was so hopeful and about the TB series but the TB70 gear breaking left a bad taste in my mouth and now this one.
RE: 500X - I've noticed that the servo /ball link on the tail servo hits the injection molded boom clamp at full throw. I ground a hole in mine and it helped a LOT with blowing out but did not fix it fully. Then i put something like 84mm tails on it and its rock solid now. Probably only needed the larger blades but i found this out when i first built and flew it before i got blades.
@@hoffybeefeyah I get it. I put some xlpower I think 85s on it. But it’s like still, should you have to do all that? I get they were trying to go with Tareq 100000000 rpm head speed concept but it was just completely impractical in practice. I’ll be excited to see if they come out with a decent TB50 but at the same time, if I’m not flying my Nimbus 650s, I’m flying my RS4 Venom for park like flying and I think I’m gonna be content with that for a long time.
The tail shouldn't be blowing out on tick tocks even at 2200 rpm! There are several things that can cause it. Governor gain too high (actually using the governor at all at lower head speeds!), too much pitch, USING too much collective instead of cyclic, tail gain too low, tail pre-comp not set or set in the wrong direction.
Thanks for sharing ! This is valuable information
You’re welcome! Thank you for watching!
Hi Jeff,
This is really sad to see, after just a few flights the main gear broke again 😞.
I fly both Align TB60 and TB70 and I`m wondering about the different main shaft design.
TB70 has an additional bearing block on the lower side of the frame, who should provide more stability for the shaft especially under heavy 3D loads.
Let´s assume that the heavy load w/o that additional bearing block at the TB60 series, could be the result in more stress and pressure on the main gear?
Like I siad, this is just a thought game on my part 😃
So far, luckily I had no issues with both systems --> but I will definitly keep an eye on that...
Greeting from Germany
Oliver
Hello! That is a very valid question and some thing I thought about as well. There is a secondary bearing block on the main shaft that rides, the motor, pulley and gear to drive the main gear, but there is no secondary bearing block to help support underneath of that gear. Which in my opinion is a terrible design and there should’ve been a another bearing block to help distribute the load between the gear stack.
You already mentioned that the HW 150 is acting strangely. As long as the one way sprag is working correctly and autos won’t try to drive the motor, I would try another or different brand ESC to rule out strange motor commands. Of course things always want to strip when one thing wants to spin and the other thing can’t rotate properly or accelerate properly . Of course, if many people have had stripped gears on these models, then maybe it’s a quality issue. I would also double check the gear meshing and ensure profile of drive gear is not distorted. I mean I recently crashed my raptor upside down into a Barbed wire fence doing 3D and I completely smoked the clutch liner (battery disconnected and could not shut throttle , but it didn’t break a tooth of the gear.😂 I was shocked
It could very well be the ESC powering down and back up. Or my other thought is the governor gain to high and under power commands. It is jolting the gear, but that’s very unlikely. I am going to swap out the ESC and try again before I rule out a mechanical issue. I crashed a NX7 at 2100 RPM, wide-open throttle it eat itself on the ground for about two minutes and didn’t strip a single gear. Lol
That sucks, all I fly is align and I've never had that problem.. I did have a trex 600 with all kinds of issues but gears weren't one.
Hope your able to sort it out 🤙
It does! But I never give up on a model! I will figure something out lol and I’ve got a couple older 600s and they are fantastic
Yea that’s ridiculous to zap the gear again like you said, you weren’t thrashing it and I definitely heard the gear let go on you..!
It is absolutely crazy! I don’t even fly the helicopter hard because I can’t feel comfortable without breaking another gear.
Nice flying Jeff.
Thank you! I greatly appreciate it!
Good save man !!! But looks like esc problem I will switch to 120 esc ! I hear from others guys that 150 esc is not working properly!! Looks like the esc lock the motor ! And cause to strip the gear
Thank you! I have a few other 150s with zero issues but it might be an ESC issue!
Please share when you find the issue!!👍🏻
@@danielsalais808 will do!
I heard you mention, then you trailed off about the Hobbywing 150. I'm VERY interested in what else you were going to say about it! I just purchased a SAB RAW 580 built with only setup flights on it. IT HAS the Hobbywing 150. After hearing you say something about the 150, I looked at some reviews. I've found that some people are experiencing complete power cuts! PLEASE let me know your thoughts on this ESC, as I might just replace it with something else. EXCELLENT SAVE!
I have the same ESC in my 580 but I run the bec at 7v which seems to work. I have a lot of flights on this setup with zero issues. Also have the 150 in my Piuma 700 and no issues. Don’t worry
I’ve had a issue before on a different Hobbywing 150 where you load it up and it would go to LVC pretty much and cut motor power. Never stopped the motor but reduced power. I swapped it out and never had a issue again. I’ve got a few Hobbywing 150s and no issues. I’ve heard from others to drop the BEC voltage from 8v to 7v so I’m going to try that and see if it makes any difference. I would not be worried on your RAW 580. The 150 is a pretty good ESC! Thank you!
@@gjpyzf and @westhobbiesrc8051 Thank you guys, I will check to see where it's at once it gets here.
FWIW, I run the HW 150 on a Tron 5.8 and pull considerably more amps than that without any issues or drops in power. HW Gov Store stock gov settings.
I have pulled considerably more amps out of a 150 as well with no issues. That’s why I don’t think it’s an amp shut down issue. I run Vbar gov
Seen that gear strip for nothing… the plastic the gear is made of , reminds me of plastic cans. Oily plastic .. and that esc making some weird stuff. Tried running vbar gov?
The plastic they make these gears out of is absolute garbage. I am running Vbar governor.
With heli`s of this size, there really is not much between the choices availble AND WHAT lacking can be sorted ,so given that why anyone would not go with SAB is beyond me,certainly would not buy align if i could afford a sab.
Trust me! I am a huge SAB fan. 90% of my helicopters are SAB and I still think they are the best helicopters on the market.
I have about 60 flights on my 12s TB60 and fly pretty hard .. still on original gear. So strange this is happening to you
Thats why I think it's an alignment issue somewhere. One bad gear? Maybe, three? no way.
Thats good! I’m glad to hear that. Maybe mine is a lemon! Lol
SAB all the way my friends!!!
You can’t go wrong with SAB!
It’s the trex 600 Torque-tube-umbrella-gear-gate all over again!!! 😂 Now seriously, I’ve seen 3 different part numbers for this gear: HB60G001XX, HB60G001XXT and HB60G001XXW. Are they the same, or is align silently pushing upgraded gears without admitting the issue?
Hmm! I didn’t know that. I’ll have to look into those part numbers. Thank you for that!
Could the cause / effect be the other way around from what you're thinking? Is the ESC shutting off because of a spike in amp draw caused by an already-stripped main gear allowing the pinion to run too fast? Just a thought ....
That is a very good thought, I’ve thought of that as well. You could be. I lowered the BEC voltage from 8.4v to 7.4v and the issue as seen to go away. But time will tell!
Uff... The quality of Align seems not to be what it was 😕
My next heli will be an Oxy or Tron. Nitro 🙂
You will be very happy going with a Tron over an Oxy. Tron is just way better in so many ways and I have personally seen the Amain hobby pro pilots beat the living shit out of the NiTron 90.
It’s definitely not! Go with the Nitron 90! It’s a beast of a Heli. I like my OXY 5 MEG a lot but I would go Tron over it all day.
Nitroxy is an awesome machine. Either way you can’t go wrong.
There are different things on a helicopter that put out gyroscopic effect that causes harmonic imbalance. It can be hard to find simply by looking at a part. If it's a must find replacing each rotating part one by one will get it but you know that already. I have to agree with others you have much better at this point. Idk maybe sell it. What simulator did you learn on? And do you still use one?
Yes, there is quite a few things that can cause a harmonic vibration. But it came out of nowhere so I don’t think it’s a bad or bent part. Maybe a bad bearing. When I learned how to fly, there was no simulators. I use ACCURC or HeliX now.
I haven't had any gear or ESC issues with mine but Align does need to step it up. Not what they used to be.
I had similar issues with my older nitro TRex’s stock main gear, once I replaced it with a cnc aftermarket delrin gear, problem solved. Hasn’t happened to my TB70……yet.
I wish someone would come out with the upgraded main gear for this thing! The TB70 is notorious for breaking them in Flight.
my avian 130 was doing the same thing and hard cutting out, super weird. maybe a bad batch of hobbywings
I haven’t had a 130 cut out on me, but I have heard about it. So it could be a bad batch. These things are mass produced by the thousands.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 we will see, i have it on my fusion 550. will probably be sending the esc, motor and FBL in to them for testing. i just wanna fly this damn thing already.
Just my 2 cents, One, they may have a bad lot # of gears out there or something is not lining up on the meshing of the gears like a slightly out of round bearing in the block. Anything moving that cause the backlash to tighten up? I own a TB70, not a 60. I've had no issue with the TB70. I've read about a lot of problems with the Hobbywing 150, so much in fact I won't use one. I can't recall specifics off the top of my head except one, they died in flight.
On the 60 there is backlash or any type of adjustment for the geartrain whatsoever other than motor belt tension. I have a couple 150s and no issues but I gave Reed a lot of problems with them. I’ve even personally talked with Hobbywing about them because I’ve had several people reach out to me and of course they said there is no issues lol
I am waiting for the TB60 to be in stock, no i am debating…
A lot of guys absolutely love them and have zero issues. Maybe mine is just a lemon, but it has definitely had gear issues.
It's nothing your doing at all ..I think it's a bad bunch gears ..or the material it's made of ......Nice Save Jeff !
I don’t think it is because there is no actual adjustments and no way to get the mesh any different. The plastic is absolute garbage.
Did you drop your bec to 7 volts or 7.4 for the fix,thanks
Dropped to 7.4v BEC and no issues now
Well this is not for sure but maybe the marriage between the the big nylon gear and the motor pinion is to tight, but remember this is just a guess, I never once stripped a gear in flight on my old t rex 500 similar drive train so it's definitely something strange
Unfortunately there is no adjustment. It’s a fixed mounting mechanism. But everything feels smooth and perfect on the backlash so I’m not quite sure.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 my only other thought about this is maybe the gear is getting hot for whatever reason and then it gets weak, I do hope you find and correct the issue, have a good one
Did it break or strip? Big difference.
Broke four teeth off of the gear. The rest of the year is just fine.
That’s how my xlpower is acting motor bullet were making a loose connection
I should definitely check them. They are a factory solder joint….
Do you plan on making a video on how to tune with Vbar? I would personally really appreciate a video like that.
Yes! Working on that video now.
I’ve seen this happen to others HW esc that have the new software. What Bec voltage are you running? I recommend dropping it to 7 volts to avoid it switching off. As said before I’ve seen this on other HW esc and the fix was drop it to 7 volts. There is a issue with the software
Hmm! That’s very interesting. I’m running 8v BEC voltage, I’ll try dropping it to 7v and see what happens!
@@westhobbiesrc8051 did you have any luck lowering the Bec voltage?
@@faziocarmelo86 yes! I lowered to 7.4v and posted a flight video. You can see in that video there is no shut down.
Ah that’s great to see. There is something about the software. Hopefully HW will come out with a fix soon
Isn't there two different types of Main gears? Pretty sure the first lot of main gear was flawed. Certainly for the TB70 anyway. Worth looking into Jeff. Align surely did screw up in my view on the TB series. I'm missing them completely. First of all the 830 servos, then the static buildup in the boom and then the main gear and also the HW 150a which is worth you looiking into Yep, there are 'some' TBs out there just doomed.
Yeah I had the static in the boom which would cause my fbl to restart lol and the gear mesh seems to not be all that great it's not spread even on the teeth all on my tb70 I always fly it thinking of a possible failure within those lines
Is it building static ? How did you know that ?
@@RotoRCol by spoiling it up in the bench with no blades on at any rpm above 1600 place your hand on boom or near boom and you'll get some nice shocks also if any antennas are near the boom the static electricity will jump into them and cause reboot of fbl at least that was my case it was restarting in flight
So for the TB60 there is only one gear. The TB70 had two different versions. I can’t seem to find an upgrade or better quality gear anywhere. I was so hopeful for this line of helicopter from them but Ihad two different versions. I can’t seem to find a upgrade or better quality gear anywhere. I was so hopeful for this line of helicopters from them, but I am disappointed now.
The status theory would totally explain the strange HW behavior. HW tend to be solid so something strange is causing the power interruption.
Is it a lash issue?
I thought the same but there’s no adjustment whatsoever. It’s a fixed position and the backlash feels perfect.
This is why I didn’t get the tn70. Specially after the whole xn60/70 transmission meltdown issues. I can’t trust align anymore it sucks to man. Been flying align since the good old flybar days they just seem to be cheating out on important areas. I’ll be sticking with sab and xl power
Nice save. For noobs like me, did you essentially autorotate down?
Thank you! Yes, Autorotate down. Something everyone needs to learn with flying helis.
I see the problem.
Using the Align Nitro blade on electric 😂
🤣 those are the blades Align gives you.
Holy crap. Is there such a thing as a Lemon heli ?
😮😮😮
I'm not familiar with the design but is the mesh at all adjustable? Could the holes in the frame be drilled out larger or elongated to get a tighter mesh?
Will heck that’s sucks you don’t have that problem with the other helicopters something is out of round
Yes it does! Hopefully I can find something wrong to fix!
@@westhobbiesrc8051 use a dial indicator and check to see if everything is running without any run out look deep in to it if a bearing is not right it will wobble good luck
Omg ALIGN.... really?! Looks like you need the upgraded gear. This is a shame that this has even passed the quality test of the model when it was in development wtf....
I wish there was an upgraded gear, I’m hoping I just got a lemon! Lol I wanted this model to be a great choice but…. I’m not sure.
Hmm I have no issues with my tb70 drivetrain
That’s really good! Those break gears all the time.
@@westhobbiesrc8051 there is an update/fix kit. And they do have an upgraded gear set
My kit came with the updated parts
@@westhobbiesrc8051 as for the tb60? Idk
Wow. Thats trash, AlIGN made great helicopters back it the day. I had the XN 700 nitro and the drive train setup on it was garbage.They have become trouble birds I would never buy one even for half off.
I was really hopeful on the TB series but unfortunately they have had the same problems! The 700XN had a bad train train problem!
Looks like Align instead of making better Heli kits is going the other way ....there are so many other options that I should stay away from this brand , honestly
That’s align does
I feel like they make a good kit and their combo deals or great for guys getting into the first builds, but it’s issues like this that keep people away from them
Every brand has issues. Align is a solid brand. I look at helis like this. There used to be brands from Japan and Germany the best. Now it's pretty much all brands in tge same league made in China or Vietnam
SAB???
No, it’s a Align TB60
Lol I was kinda suggesting going to a SAB.
Wow, good landing under the circumstances, not sure 🤔 why the gear ⚙️ broke, but I’m sure that Igor Sikorsky would say that a helicopter 🚁 wasn’t meant to fly like that.
Thank you! A lot of people say a helicopter can’t or should not fly like this lol but they do!
@@westhobbiesrc8051 Btw thank you for the paper test on the aforementioned gear ⚙️, I had adjusted it to where it embossed the gear pattern too heavily and even cut the paper, it is now adjusted properly, fingers crossed 🤞🏻. It’s definitely ready to fly again.
Unbelievable, Jeff!! Fu< ]
Align has been putting out nothing but cheap garbage for years now
Unfortunately they have.
Typical Align behavior.
Joining the military so i can fly an apache ñike this
There you go!
align is bad helicopter
They made great helis for a long time but there failing really far behind.
PUT ALL ELECTRONICS ON A BETTER HELI MY ADVICE DONT WASTE YOUR TIME
The only thing worth taking off is the Vbar and Hobbywing lol I would not use these servos in a different Heli.
The align servos have been famous for years as being unreliable and poor quality. Remember for the price they charge for these combos they simply can’t deliver high end electronics.