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@@taytos-gingah Plenty of basic NAS devices do not have RAID 6 even now. This is not an ENTERPRISE device ( I am sure one will come soon though ) This is aimed at prosumers, maybe small business, who want basic redundancy, still have as much space as possible. Ubiquiti often listen to customer feedback with things and will update things to meet customer needs FOR FREE. You only pay a one off hardware cost ( which is likely why the UNAS Pro is same price as NVR Pro)
Surely that's feedback that they didn't just take from him, but they have heard from probably most customers. Cause not offering Raid6 in 2024 in a real NAS hardware device s kinda wild.
@@TheCreat Ubiquiti are only just venturing into the NAS field. You can't expect them to have all the features of a SAN (which is different to a NAS) in their first iteration of it. I think some have expected too much from a NAS. Do not confuse it with features offered in SAN devices. Network Attached Storage is much more basic than Storage Area Networks. That said, having Raid 6 should be basic now for backup in a 7 disk unit, so it is great UI have added that with firmware. I have a feeling, if it sells well, we will see a lot more features added and maybe even other form factors.
@@EsotericArctos Of course I know it's their first NAS. But they seem to be targeting enterprise (cause rackmount) and are missing absoultely basic features. It's nice that they take feedback and act on it, but it's absolutely mindblowing that this kind of feedback was needed in the first place. Also considering they target enterprise (even if smaller sized), I geet that they want to make it simple and easy to use, but there is such a thing as too simple and taking away information. Just tell me what raid levels are used for each option, and how disk expansion would work. That's also just a nitpick, every other NAS manufacturer will beat this on features and flexibility by a large margin (Synology, QNap, even TerraMaster and Asustor). At least from Terramaster I know they are just mini-x86-boxes that boot from an internal USB stick intot their OS. You can just remove that and install Truenas (or whatever) if you just wanted the hardware but your own software stack, don't think you can with ubiquity. What they do have is price, cause 500-600 €/$ for a 6 bay with 10G SFP+ is truly killer. Others still have 1g or maybe 2.5g. I have no idea why you bring up SANs, and even less sure you know what those actually are if mentioning "Raid 6" was the reason you brought them up. SANs are typically enterprise sized storage clusters that distribute data over multiple nodes (that then contain drives), and they aren't categorized by raid-levels. At least not the whole SAN, maybe on a node level, but usually not there either because the filesystem itself is distributed.
Not badly priced at all when comparing it to things like Synology especially with it being rack mounted too, and that seamless integration with UniFiOS and stuff really is a big win, as with all UniFi stuff. However, as you said in the video, there are several key things that would stop me at this stage; - No Backblaze/S3 compatible storage endpoint for backups - Lack of caching via SSD’s, ideally some NVMe slots somewhere - Lack of ZFS support for rolling your own instead of relying on hardware raid - Lack of containerisation support for running micro-services, although it could be paired with a few Pi's or something for that sort of thing anyway Don't think it will tempt me away from my Unraid box quite yet, but looks promising!
How you can compare to Synology? This is a toy. Unable to run containers on the back. Unable to add more RAM (It has only 8GB). Unable to connect to regular APC for monitoring. The price is great, but functionality is extremely limited compared to Synology. I will wait for Synology's new 8bay nas. Price around $1200 but You will get what you pay for. For me most of what I would miss from my Synology is pictures and video backup applications. No home assistant 👎. I would have to run another device 👎 So in total, I would say this product is as basic as it gets. Nonuseable for me 👎
@@Dextermorgait's a NAS after all, not a home server (which those Synology boxes have become) The price is ok in theory for a dedicated NAS, and even the 8GB of RAM are fine if you aren't running external services. But it's issues lie in the fact that it's very much a first generation product and therefore not a good NAS. Limited sync, backup and no heterogenous volumes, no support for multiple independent shares, no caching, no ZFS, and I didn't see iSCSI
If they add iSCSI support and a decent sync application for Windows/Mac I'm ditching my Xpenology setup for this. Can't miss either functionality though.
Wish you could do multiple arrays like you can on synology. Like I’d love to do a small SSD array in the top three bays for a “higher performance” array for things like video editing, and then use the bottom four bays for a slower HDD archive/bulk storage array.
ZFS or go home for NAS / mass storage as far as I'm concerned these days! Would be great to see ZFS support. See Level1Techs' fantastic video 'Hardware RAID is dead and is a bad idea in 2022'
As a storage/NAS only device, it isn't bad at all. If you want to run VMs and other stuff like that, this is not a good match for that. I'm tempted to get one to back up my NVRs to a centralized NAS. I would imagine they will release the non-Pro version as well, as 4 drives is fine for most stuff. The 7 drive capacity is nice.
I really don't understand ubiquitis practice of making rack mount equipment with so few advanced options. Like you mention, the RAID levels are extremely simplified, no support for actual backup locations like Amazon, Backblaze etc, extremely simplified access levels. The form factor is enterprise but the software is small business at best
This is very much a small business/high end home user device or potentially for smaller teams within larger organisations. It's the sort of thing that would be ideal for a small office who want local file storage or businesses such as creative agencies who want the ability to large files on a local NAS. However, in these environments, rackmount devices are still very much desirable - most small offices will still have some sort of rack (even if it's a wall mounted comms cab) to hold their networkig kit, and even if not, this can of course be used outside of a rack without issue. It's the sort of thing that if they made an exclusively desktop NAS, then people who need a rackmount NAS simply won't be able to use it, however with this, it can be used by people who need a rackmount NAS or those who just want a desktop model.
Hi there, thanks for the video. I am looking to see the following: 1. iPhone and Android Applications to backup the pictures from the phone into the UNAS. 2. something similar to google documents to create office documents directly on the UNAS. 3. backup up one entire windows computer to the UNAS, similar to synology backup for business. .
@@metalmanexetreme When taking into account that one HDD consumes 5 Watts to 12 Watts in real life, that is quite acceptable. HDDs will never idle out due to the mirroring. So that would make that the device on itself probably idles around 10 Watts. When using SSDs this should be quite power efficient. If you build a DYI system in this form factor based on new hardware, it will be difficult to get same performance for same price (the 10G capability is really a good option on this box). And with a DIY solution, you miss the unifi ecosystem which allows you to drop files via phone, PC,... from whereever all out of the box (I know: there are solutions such as Next Cloud etc... but then you use an application built on another NAS system and quite complex to install) I really might consider buying this
This is purely aimed at being a NAS so, no, it doesn't have any support for third party applications. However, at the same time, it costs a fraction of an equivalent Synology NAS to the extent that could buy this, a cheap NUC to run Docker containers/apps and still have money left over.
That's going to be the enterprise version at some point I guess. :) Having that said, you don't need 3U, just get rid of the NICS in the front and display and you can fit 12 drives in a 2U front just fine.
Would be really cool to see another pro variant of this with all 2.5” drive bays in a 1u chassis. With maybe a couple hundred added to the price. The idea being to allow for higher speed/density SSD NAS for things like video editing or other heavy workloads
I can’t wait to see what UI does with this platform. Hopefully they do some UDMpro integration where you can use the NAS as a UDMpro recorder backup destination. I also hope they do add some Anti-Virus and Anti-malware capabilities.
How will this compare speed wise for a small company with 30 staff? Currently using a high end dual Xenon PC with 5x 8TB disks in RAID 5 with a 10gbe SFP card on to my Ubiquiti network. Only used for data storage and sharing.
With the 4 drives I used here and a 10GbE connection active it's idling around 43W, of course this will vary depending on the type and number of drives you have installed.
Strange, wouldn't expect a NAS from a company that primarily makes network connectivity gear, people waiting for one from them is even more bizarre. Ubiquiti is quality items for sure, but man its really lacking in functionality (zfs? cache?), 7 drives max in a 2u chassis ? that's the most inefficient usage of rackspace ever! This is for the apple sheeps imho.
I kinda understand that this is an easy opening for Unifi ecosystem to expand to pretty logical direction. They can use existing HW which helps saving development cost. But yeah, as of now it looks pretty limited with it's capabilities as well as physical interfaces. I would assume it will get more software features on future but it could take years for Ubi to polish it up.
No VM / Container software No x86 architecture No Plex/Apps No SSD Caching No RAM upgrades (its soldered) 26:04 If your email account gets accessed due to phishing so does all your servers files too. (no password required) Unit only comes in silver, which I personally think looks dated out the box Price is okay considering the brand name.
It's a rack NAS for $499. That's unheard of. You can run Plex on a Raspberry Pi connected to this NAS. A NAS doesn't have to be a full-fledged computer. You actually get way more performance by separating the NAS storage from the compute. Unless you want to pay 10x the price (cough cough Synology). ARM uses 75% less power than x86. That means less heat and noise. There's not much point in upgrading the RAM or having SSD caching since it can already fully saturate it's 10Gb port with just a few drives in it. I guess more RAM might make RAID maintenance tasks complete faster though? Turn on strong 2-factor authentication on your email account and it's unlikely it'll ever get hacked. I like the silver color.
This is purely aimed at being a NAS so, no, it doesn't have any support for third party applications. However, at the same time, it costs a fraction of an equivalent Synology NAS to the extent that could buy this, a cheap NUC to run Docker containers/apps and still have money left over.
My Drobo failed a few months ago, I purchased a replacement but have held off setting it up, for many reasons but I guess it was because I knew this product which reminds me of a Drobo (although that supported applications) in many ways. I don’t need another NAS, alright perhaps I do, because I am totally getting one of these. I need something to put in my 5 HDDS into.
Thinking about an ubiquity set up for my next house, I should hopefully be in and rewiring in a month or so 🤞🏻 only problem, I’m a complete novice when it comes to the computer stuff 🤷🏻♂️😂
4:36 minutes in and he is describing raid 10 wrong.... I know the diagram looks like if disk 0 & 1 failed you loose half your data but that's not true. If one disk fails raid 10 fails the raid should degradant raid 5 ensuring that you can loose 2 disks regardless of which disks fail you can loose two disk and still have all of your data. Unless you loose 2 disks in less time than the device can converts to raid 5 so sub 8-24 hours then the raid does not fail. Raid Degradations is a common feature of a lot of high end Datacenter style services and I believe Synology has this too and seeing how this new Unifi NAS stuff seems so new he may be right. The Hot spare options allows for better redundancy for the option it looks like he is trying to promote. Also note that Raid is not a backup system for disk failures but rather a level of redundancy as some environments can be inaccessible for a long period of time. IE it takes 30 to get a tech out to replace a failed hard drive.... Or how long will it take you to notice a drive needs to be replace and how long will it take for the new drive to be shipped out and installed. To ensure data is backed up you either need a second device, a backup appliance, or a cloud backup service to ensure that files are recoverable in disaster case scenarios. A good example of this would be in the event of a fire. Are all of the original and backups in the same place?
How am I describing RAID 10 wrong? Where are you seeing that a degraded RAID 10 somehow "degrades" into a RAID 5 and continues having redundancy? I've never seen a system where this is the case. It looks like with Linux MD RAID (which this uses) you can technically move from RAID 10 to RAID 5 by dropping the array to RAID 0 first then moving to RAID 5, however this is not something that it'll do as standard and is also a very risky process that I definitely wouldn't want any NAS of mine to do automatically in the event of a disk failure. In RAID 10, data is striped across a set of mirrored pairs of disks, If both disks the same mirrored pair are lost, ALL data on the array will be lost. Sure, a hot spare is an option, and RAID should never be used as a backup, however my point was more that RAID 10 can't really be called "Higher Protection" not that RAID 10 is bad in any way.
Yep, that's the one! Really nice but just bear in mind it doesn't have any mounting for screwing in devices with rack ears. UniFI devices can be secured with thumb screws on the sides but these won't necessarily line up with other brands of devices. Of course you can still install other devices (they sit on the shelf like rails) but you won't be able to secure them in if you plan on moving the rack around while the devices are in place.
Interesting product. I am genuinely shocked that they are using RAID 5 at all, though. It should have been obsolete a decade ago, and it really is not safe to use for large (multi-TB) disks. RAID 10 or 6 should be the minimum, with 6 being the "more protective" option. Also, I totally agree about the need to offer more backup options. Still, it is not a bad device for what it is.
When you uploaded the files at around 23:00, did you use the Site Manager or the local access to upload them? I wonder if they are sent through the internet and back if you upload on site manager… Also, the unifi identity app can be used for lots of other things on other unifi applications such as one click wifi, VPN, EV charging, smart door access, unifi talk softphone, and a few other bits with the enterprise version. So I think the idea they’re going for is users can have this one app that does all the things they need to do, now including NAS access.
that enclosure looks terrible for hard drive cooling, high temps are the main factor for premature hard drive death for me at least, I once had multiple drives fail in the same slots in an old server cause the fan in that part of the case failed.
I haven't experienced any issues - it maybe doesn't come across on video but there is a reasonable gap around each hard drive caddy to allow airflow across the surface of each drive.
Under the hood it's using btrfs on top of Linux mdadm RAID. The actual filesystem side of things is hidden away from the user - this isn't the sort of device for people who want to tinker with the filesystem configuration, it's more for people who want an easy to configure, set and forget NAS.
@@camerongray1515 So btrfs itself doesn't do any RAID? Anyways, would be cool to have some kind of external snapshot replication with a second Unifi NAS.
1. Tech videos are automatically better with an Irish accent, Scottish accent, or African accent. 2. How is this at acting as a media server (photos and videos) on Android devices?
It also maybe it's just in the app but it sucks that you can't select what happens if you don't want any rate maybe you just want to mess around with the server and try other stuff or you have off-site backup so it really doesn't matter it'd be nice where you could set your own raid instead of just hitting that button and it does everything for you because it looks like what happens if you wanted two different raid sets in there you could have two sets of raid 1 but it looks like you can't select that or raid zero
I'm basically just using it as a cable organiser, I refuse to do the whole homelab trend of using keystone couplers to pass cables from the front to the back of the rack, I'll only use patch panels for terminating cable runs within a building!
I wonder if their spare drive is a true spare, unlike on the UNVR. On the UNVR, if you add a disk to be a spare, you have to reformat the array which makes no sense at all.
That drives can do only 248 MiB/s, You've written to the cache. I would try to use some benchmark software and not just copy file. No NFS, no iSCSI... useless thing.
That hard drive performance only relates to a single disk, in a RAID array (except for RAID 1) you will get higher throughput due to data being striped across multiple disks. The NAS only has 8GB of RAM and the internal ~32gb SSD is only used for the OS, there is no way this device could "cache" the 38GB file I'm testing with here. NFS would be a nice addition however this is clearly targeted as being as easy to use as possible for people who just want a central NAS for storing files and accessing them from regualar workstatons over SMB. NFS adds in a fair bit of additional administration complexity when it comes to handling permissions. Likewise, if you need iSCSI, then you definitely aren't the target market for this device.
My bad on RAID 1, completely forgot about that! As for the RAM cache, I rebooted the machine between tests to ensure that no part of the file would be cached in RAM. Sure, technically a NAS could cache the writes into RAM and then later write them to disk for increased write performance (write-back cache), however my performance testing here doens't indicate that that is happening and it's also a risky thing to do in the even of power failure - this is why hardware RAID cards have batteries for when their write back cache is enabled.
Don't have time to watch the video - hoping someone in the comments can answer me. - Is this Ubiquiti's first foray into the storage market? - Do they have JBOD expansions/disk shelves? I have been trying to keep my eyes out for a JBOD or disk shelf that I could reasonably run in my living room (read: noise and affordable) and have come up empty.
It entirely comes down to your needs, not everyone needs extreme performance, sometimes a large amount of bulk storage is more important. For my setup here we had 32TB of raw disks, that's not going to be cheap with SSD, even in 2024! Performance wise, this setup with 4 HDDs in RAID 5 could easily exceed 400MB/s - not slow at all for network storage - can easily saturate 2.5GbE!
@@camerongray1515 one thing I will say is I’m looking forward to the patch (heard it will be around February or so) and that should hopefully give us some expanded features. I will say this the barrier to entry is removed compared to Synology for basic nas functionality. They beat them out the water hands down. You can’t beat that UNVR price unless you build a nas!
Without ZFS or a similar solution to Unraid, I can only think that they thought "Hey! Let's make a NAS" but none of their engineers were familiar with modern NAS technology and they clearly didn't ask enough questions or do enough research. RAID 10 is CRINGE and shows that they are out of touch.
Especially for $500 and calling it pro, I agree. Should have had ZFS or something similar, ideally options for both. Also redundant PSUs would be needed for anything pro.
Ubiquiti provided the hardware free of charge as stated in the video - I've actually had the hardware for some time to allow me to provide feedback on various software revisions before release. No money has changed hands and the only influence Ubiquiti has had over the content of this video were the updates I added in about future software improvements (The addition of RAID 6 coming soon, the renaming of the RAID levels and the addition of passwordless SMB mounting). Everything in this video is my own opinion of the device.
Their products and software has been getting worse and worse over time, I wouldn't buy Unifi gear again and am looking elsewhere to replace my switches. I certainly wouldn't trust them as my NAS.
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5:20 thats absolutely brilliant of ubiquity to take ur advice and implement that!
Shouldn't have needed feedback to have that. Who would ever release anything with more than 4-5 drive bays wouldn't have RAID6 as an option.
@@taytos-gingah Plenty of basic NAS devices do not have RAID 6 even now. This is not an ENTERPRISE device ( I am sure one will come soon though ) This is aimed at prosumers, maybe small business, who want basic redundancy, still have as much space as possible.
Ubiquiti often listen to customer feedback with things and will update things to meet customer needs FOR FREE. You only pay a one off hardware cost ( which is likely why the UNAS Pro is same price as NVR Pro)
Surely that's feedback that they didn't just take from him, but they have heard from probably most customers. Cause not offering Raid6 in 2024 in a real NAS hardware device s kinda wild.
@@TheCreat Ubiquiti are only just venturing into the NAS field. You can't expect them to have all the features of a SAN (which is different to a NAS) in their first iteration of it.
I think some have expected too much from a NAS. Do not confuse it with features offered in SAN devices. Network Attached Storage is much more basic than Storage Area Networks.
That said, having Raid 6 should be basic now for backup in a 7 disk unit, so it is great UI have added that with firmware. I have a feeling, if it sells well, we will see a lot more features added and maybe even other form factors.
@@EsotericArctos Of course I know it's their first NAS. But they seem to be targeting enterprise (cause rackmount) and are missing absoultely basic features. It's nice that they take feedback and act on it, but it's absolutely mindblowing that this kind of feedback was needed in the first place. Also considering they target enterprise (even if smaller sized), I geet that they want to make it simple and easy to use, but there is such a thing as too simple and taking away information. Just tell me what raid levels are used for each option, and how disk expansion would work. That's also just a nitpick, every other NAS manufacturer will beat this on features and flexibility by a large margin (Synology, QNap, even TerraMaster and Asustor). At least from Terramaster I know they are just mini-x86-boxes that boot from an internal USB stick intot their OS. You can just remove that and install Truenas (or whatever) if you just wanted the hardware but your own software stack, don't think you can with ubiquity.
What they do have is price, cause 500-600 €/$ for a 6 bay with 10G SFP+ is truly killer. Others still have 1g or maybe 2.5g.
I have no idea why you bring up SANs, and even less sure you know what those actually are if mentioning "Raid 6" was the reason you brought them up. SANs are typically enterprise sized storage clusters that distribute data over multiple nodes (that then contain drives), and they aren't categorized by raid-levels. At least not the whole SAN, maybe on a node level, but usually not there either because the filesystem itself is distributed.
Not badly priced at all when comparing it to things like Synology especially with it being rack mounted too, and that seamless integration with UniFiOS and stuff really is a big win, as with all UniFi stuff. However, as you said in the video, there are several key things that would stop me at this stage;
- No Backblaze/S3 compatible storage endpoint for backups
- Lack of caching via SSD’s, ideally some NVMe slots somewhere
- Lack of ZFS support for rolling your own instead of relying on hardware raid
- Lack of containerisation support for running micro-services, although it could be paired with a few Pi's or something for that sort of thing anyway
Don't think it will tempt me away from my Unraid box quite yet, but looks promising!
How you can compare to Synology? This is a toy. Unable to run containers on the back. Unable to add more RAM (It has only 8GB). Unable to connect to regular APC for monitoring. The price is great, but functionality is extremely limited compared to Synology. I will wait for Synology's new 8bay nas. Price around $1200 but You will get what you pay for.
For me most of what I would miss from my Synology is pictures and video backup applications. No home assistant 👎. I would have to run another device 👎
So in total, I would say this product is as basic as it gets. Nonuseable for me 👎
@@Dextermorgait's a NAS after all, not a home server (which those Synology boxes have become)
The price is ok in theory for a dedicated NAS, and even the 8GB of RAM are fine if you aren't running external services.
But it's issues lie in the fact that it's very much a first generation product and therefore not a good NAS.
Limited sync, backup and no heterogenous volumes, no support for multiple independent shares, no caching, no ZFS, and I didn't see iSCSI
They should just add the RAID level in parentheses behind their naming "Basic Protection (RAID1)"
Agreed!
They are trying to be like Apple and not for techies I guess
@@RobLescaille they were born of Apple, so it makes sense!
If they add iSCSI support and a decent sync application for Windows/Mac I'm ditching my Xpenology setup for this. Can't miss either functionality though.
Synology Photos is good to have as well. If they do it.
Wonder if they will allow unas pro installed on the unvr pro
‘Drive’ and probably not anytime soon, doing so would cannibalize sales on this product which is not what any company wants
Just saw this notification on X, and rushed to UA-cam to see a decent and indepth review. And you sir did not disappoint :-)
Wish you could do multiple arrays like you can on synology. Like I’d love to do a small SSD array in the top three bays for a “higher performance” array for things like video editing, and then use the bottom four bays for a slower HDD archive/bulk storage array.
No NFS ?
Odd design choice, imho. hopefully they'll add it later.
This is what I found a little strange!
it's an okish nas for the price, but it lacks several software "goodies" that are kind of necessary today. oh, don't bother with raid10 when you have
What are the power consumption, in read, write and idle?
Curious as well. I can test in in 2-3 weeks.
Dude you just earned subscriber👍.. thanks for educating me on the difference between the RAIDS and the pros and cons of their benefits👏
I'm really curious to see inside that thing.
It's just empty space and a really old cpu chip
Does this have SNMP? Something that is missing from the UNVR!
Amazing review. Best one I have seen for the UNAS. Thanks
ZFS or go home for NAS / mass storage as far as I'm concerned these days! Would be great to see ZFS support. See Level1Techs' fantastic video 'Hardware RAID is dead and is a bad idea in 2022'
Yeah, but we are speaking about software raid here.
As a storage/NAS only device, it isn't bad at all. If you want to run VMs and other stuff like that, this is not a good match for that. I'm tempted to get one to back up my NVRs to a centralized NAS. I would imagine they will release the non-Pro version as well, as 4 drives is fine for most stuff. The 7 drive capacity is nice.
7 feels like an odd number though. wish they went with 6 drives and raid 6 capabilities with a spot for a couple of nvme cache drives instead imo.
@@chimpo131six in raid and the seventh for hot swap is likely their thought process
(Not counting saving money on using the chassis from their nvrpro)
I really don't understand ubiquitis practice of making rack mount equipment with so few advanced options. Like you mention, the RAID levels are extremely simplified, no support for actual backup locations like Amazon, Backblaze etc, extremely simplified access levels. The form factor is enterprise but the software is small business at best
This is very much a small business/high end home user device or potentially for smaller teams within larger organisations. It's the sort of thing that would be ideal for a small office who want local file storage or businesses such as creative agencies who want the ability to large files on a local NAS. However, in these environments, rackmount devices are still very much desirable - most small offices will still have some sort of rack (even if it's a wall mounted comms cab) to hold their networkig kit, and even if not, this can of course be used outside of a rack without issue. It's the sort of thing that if they made an exclusively desktop NAS, then people who need a rackmount NAS simply won't be able to use it, however with this, it can be used by people who need a rackmount NAS or those who just want a desktop model.
Hi there, thanks for the video. I am looking to see the following:
1. iPhone and Android Applications to backup the pictures from the phone into the UNAS.
2. something similar to google documents to create office documents directly on the UNAS.
3. backup up one entire windows computer to the UNAS, similar to synology backup for business. .
Do UniFi users from the UniFi console (in the same site) get synchronised to the NAS?
You didn't mention the support link in the webUI. For Ubiquiti that is radical!
Okay.... this thing is exactly what I need. One thing I would like to know: what is power consumption without disks (or with just 2 SSDs installed) ?
Can’t speak on that config but the config UniFi sends (4x8tb drives) was 30-40 watts idle and 75-80watts under load
@@metalmanexetreme When taking into account that one HDD consumes 5 Watts to 12 Watts in real life, that is quite acceptable. HDDs will never idle out due to the mirroring. So that would make that the device on itself probably idles around 10 Watts. When using SSDs this should be quite power efficient. If you build a DYI system in this form factor based on new hardware, it will be difficult to get same performance for same price (the 10G capability is really a good option on this box). And with a DIY solution, you miss the unifi ecosystem which allows you to drop files via phone, PC,... from whereever all out of the box (I know: there are solutions such as Next Cloud etc... but then you use an application built on another NAS system and quite complex to install)
I really might consider buying this
Can you install native apps on it or docker containers? Can't see this troubling Synology any time soon.
This is purely aimed at being a NAS so, no, it doesn't have any support for third party applications. However, at the same time, it costs a fraction of an equivalent Synology NAS to the extent that could buy this, a cheap NUC to run Docker containers/apps and still have money left over.
Wish that they would make a 3U and the drives vertical so they can pack more drives in one chassi.
That's going to be the enterprise version at some point I guess. :)
Having that said, you don't need 3U, just get rid of the NICS in the front and display and you can fit 12 drives in a 2U front just fine.
@@Burnman83it’s like you just learned of Ubiquiti, it’ll be a cold day in ell before ya see a device of theirs without a little screen on the front
@@metalmanexetreme Never abandon all hope.
Would be really cool to see another pro variant of this with all 2.5” drive bays in a 1u chassis. With maybe a couple hundred added to the price. The idea being to allow for higher speed/density SSD NAS for things like video editing or other heavy workloads
Are there any other options than SMB? NFS?
Just SMB for now
@@camerongray1515that's disappointing
The price is not bad for a simple NAS within the unifi ecosystem. But again I feel it may be too simple for the community.
Can the initial setup be done without the app though? I hate every device that requires an Android/iOS app to function.
I can’t wait to see what UI does with this platform. Hopefully they do some UDMpro integration where you can use the NAS as a UDMpro recorder backup destination. I also hope they do add some Anti-Virus and Anti-malware capabilities.
How will this compare speed wise for a small company with 30 staff? Currently using a high end dual Xenon PC with 5x 8TB disks in RAID 5 with a 10gbe SFP card on to my Ubiquiti network. Only used for data storage and sharing.
Do you remember the power consumption?
With the 4 drives I used here and a 10GbE connection active it's idling around 43W, of course this will vary depending on the type and number of drives you have installed.
Spotted : a Tesira icon on your desktop. Will you use a Biamp system for your audio distribution ?
Maybeeeeee.... 😏 Watch this space!
@@camerongray1515 I consider this is a yes !
@@camerongray1515no 😂
They finally made a nas....Took em long enough XD
Strange, wouldn't expect a NAS from a company that primarily makes network connectivity gear, people waiting for one from them is even more bizarre. Ubiquiti is quality items for sure, but man its really lacking in functionality (zfs? cache?), 7 drives max in a 2u chassis ? that's the most inefficient usage of rackspace ever!
This is for the apple sheeps imho.
Does it support playing/streaming 360 video?
how big is the cache?
Agree that RAID 10 was a strange choice. I think RAID 6 for high protection makes more sense. Look forward to the software update.
I kinda understand that this is an easy opening for Unifi ecosystem to expand to pretty logical direction. They can use existing HW which helps saving development cost. But yeah, as of now it looks pretty limited with it's capabilities as well as physical interfaces. I would assume it will get more software features on future but it could take years for Ubi to polish it up.
No VM / Container software
No x86 architecture
No Plex/Apps
No SSD Caching
No RAM upgrades (its soldered)
26:04 If your email account gets accessed due to phishing so does all your servers files too. (no password required)
Unit only comes in silver, which I personally think looks dated out the box
Price is okay considering the brand name.
It's a rack NAS for $499. That's unheard of. You can run Plex on a Raspberry Pi connected to this NAS. A NAS doesn't have to be a full-fledged computer. You actually get way more performance by separating the NAS storage from the compute. Unless you want to pay 10x the price (cough cough Synology). ARM uses 75% less power than x86. That means less heat and noise. There's not much point in upgrading the RAM or having SSD caching since it can already fully saturate it's 10Gb port with just a few drives in it. I guess more RAM might make RAID maintenance tasks complete faster though? Turn on strong 2-factor authentication on your email account and it's unlikely it'll ever get hacked. I like the silver color.
Can you install apps or Docker containers? I can't see this worrying Synology any time soon.
This is purely aimed at being a NAS so, no, it doesn't have any support for third party applications. However, at the same time, it costs a fraction of an equivalent Synology NAS to the extent that could buy this, a cheap NUC to run Docker containers/apps and still have money left over.
SYNOLOY makes servers. This is a NAS.
My Drobo failed a few months ago, I purchased a replacement but have held off setting it up, for many reasons but I guess it was because I knew this product which reminds me of a Drobo (although that supported applications) in many ways. I don’t need another NAS, alright perhaps I do, because I am totally getting one of these. I need something to put in my 5 HDDS into.
What kind of laptop are you using?
It's a Framework Laptop 13!
Can you also create vServers and Dockers like with Synology?
No
😢 Ok Thanks!
@@AfroCircus-g8e maybe later but i dont think so 🥲
Thinking about an ubiquity set up for my next house, I should hopefully be in and rewiring in a month or so 🤞🏻 only problem, I’m a complete novice when it comes to the computer stuff 🤷🏻♂️😂
why only 7 HDD O _ o, this a 2U it could have 12 HDD, or this is a differente type of 2U rack, i'm confuse
Any storage solution that doesn‘t have ZFS is just not the product for me.
Thank you for a great video as always
4:36 minutes in and he is describing raid 10 wrong....
I know the diagram looks like if disk 0 & 1 failed you loose half your data but that's not true. If one disk fails raid 10 fails the raid should degradant raid 5 ensuring that you can loose 2 disks regardless of which disks fail you can loose two disk and still have all of your data.
Unless you loose 2 disks in less time than the device can converts to raid 5 so sub 8-24 hours then the raid does not fail.
Raid Degradations is a common feature of a lot of high end Datacenter style services and I believe Synology has this too and seeing how this new Unifi NAS stuff seems so new he may be right.
The Hot spare options allows for better redundancy for the option it looks like he is trying to promote.
Also note that Raid is not a backup system for disk failures but rather a level of redundancy as some environments can be inaccessible for a long period of time. IE it takes 30 to get a tech out to replace a failed hard drive.... Or how long will it take you to notice a drive needs to be replace and how long will it take for the new drive to be shipped out and installed.
To ensure data is backed up you either need a second device, a backup appliance, or a cloud backup service to ensure that files are recoverable in disaster case scenarios. A good example of this would be in the event of a fire. Are all of the original and backups in the same place?
How am I describing RAID 10 wrong? Where are you seeing that a degraded RAID 10 somehow "degrades" into a RAID 5 and continues having redundancy? I've never seen a system where this is the case. It looks like with Linux MD RAID (which this uses) you can technically move from RAID 10 to RAID 5 by dropping the array to RAID 0 first then moving to RAID 5, however this is not something that it'll do as standard and is also a very risky process that I definitely wouldn't want any NAS of mine to do automatically in the event of a disk failure. In RAID 10, data is striped across a set of mirrored pairs of disks, If both disks the same mirrored pair are lost, ALL data on the array will be lost. Sure, a hot spare is an option, and RAID should never be used as a backup, however my point was more that RAID 10 can't really be called "Higher Protection" not that RAID 10 is bad in any way.
Can you let us know what that little rack is called? Looks so cute!
EDIT: Nvm, I just found it, it's the Ubiquiti Toolless Mini Rack!
Yep, that's the one! Really nice but just bear in mind it doesn't have any mounting for screwing in devices with rack ears. UniFI devices can be secured with thumb screws on the sides but these won't necessarily line up with other brands of devices. Of course you can still install other devices (they sit on the shelf like rails) but you won't be able to secure them in if you plan on moving the rack around while the devices are in place.
Interesting product. I am genuinely shocked that they are using RAID 5 at all, though. It should have been obsolete a decade ago, and it really is not safe to use for large (multi-TB) disks. RAID 10 or 6 should be the minimum, with 6 being the "more protective" option. Also, I totally agree about the need to offer more backup options. Still, it is not a bad device for what it is.
A Pro NAS with what is effectively a single NIC?
For price context, the Synology 10G card would cost half what this box costs! Obvs it is very immature compared to Synology, but still....
When you uploaded the files at around 23:00, did you use the Site Manager or the local access to upload them?
I wonder if they are sent through the internet and back if you upload on site manager…
Also, the unifi identity app can be used for lots of other things on other unifi applications such as one click wifi, VPN, EV charging, smart door access, unifi talk softphone, and a few other bits with the enterprise version. So I think the idea they’re going for is users can have this one app that does all the things they need to do, now including NAS access.
I can't quite remember but I suspect it was through site manager. Definitely would be better using the local device IP for LAN web access!
0:13 Boy, what did you even say here? Gibberish
They need to enable NAS on UDM PRO MAX
that enclosure looks terrible for hard drive cooling, high temps are the main factor for premature hard drive death for me at least, I once had multiple drives fail in the same slots in an old server cause the fan in that part of the case failed.
I haven't experienced any issues - it maybe doesn't come across on video but there is a reasonable gap around each hard drive caddy to allow airflow across the surface of each drive.
You should have 7 screws in the box. One for each of the 3.5" drives, to keep them securely in place.
unless you can set it up without a phone I would never buy one, which is a shame because its a nice looking lil unit for that rack.
You can set it up with just your desktop computer and a local account. No cloud needed. I own one.
I suppose this only supports ext4? Would be nice to have some list of supported file systems before buying a NAS...
Under the hood it's using btrfs on top of Linux mdadm RAID. The actual filesystem side of things is hidden away from the user - this isn't the sort of device for people who want to tinker with the filesystem configuration, it's more for people who want an easy to configure, set and forget NAS.
@@camerongray1515 So btrfs itself doesn't do any RAID?
Anyways, would be cool to have some kind of external snapshot replication with a second Unifi NAS.
It does but BTRFS's support for RAID 5 and 6 is currently not production ready unfortunately
1. Tech videos are automatically better with an Irish accent, Scottish accent, or African accent.
2. How is this at acting as a media server (photos and videos) on Android devices?
Don’t agree 😀 you forgot Australian and English!! Or anyone that is not an overexcited American
It also maybe it's just in the app but it sucks that you can't select what happens if you don't want any rate maybe you just want to mess around with the server and try other stuff or you have off-site backup so it really doesn't matter it'd be nice where you could set your own raid instead of just hitting that button and it does everything for you because it looks like what happens if you wanted two different raid sets in there you could have two sets of raid 1 but it looks like you can't select that or raid zero
That Keystone panel setup looks sad :p
I'm basically just using it as a cable organiser, I refuse to do the whole homelab trend of using keystone couplers to pass cables from the front to the back of the rack, I'll only use patch panels for terminating cable runs within a building!
What’s the max disk size for each bay?
There isn't anything published however it's just using Linux MDADM under the hood so I can't see any real practical size limit on individual disks.
Awesome!
I wonder if their spare drive is a true spare, unlike on the UNVR. On the UNVR, if you add a disk to be a spare, you have to reformat the array which makes no sense at all.
By having the share feature that means that ubiquiti can access your files if they wish. This is not for me.
The rumours were true!
Strange that it doesn't have USB for backup to external disks.
Funny seeing this pop up in my feed from 5+ different content creators. Hard pass for me.
Think I'd rather keep unraid
This is even more tempting to me as I'm currently sat on the floor trying to recover the Ubuntu Server installation on my old HP MicroServer 😭
That drives can do only 248 MiB/s, You've written to the cache. I would try to use some benchmark software and not just copy file.
No NFS, no iSCSI... useless thing.
That hard drive performance only relates to a single disk, in a RAID array (except for RAID 1) you will get higher throughput due to data being striped across multiple disks. The NAS only has 8GB of RAM and the internal ~32gb SSD is only used for the OS, there is no way this device could "cache" the 38GB file I'm testing with here. NFS would be a nice addition however this is clearly targeted as being as easy to use as possible for people who just want a central NAS for storing files and accessing them from regualar workstatons over SMB.
NFS adds in a fair bit of additional administration complexity when it comes to handling permissions. Likewise, if you need iSCSI, then you definitely aren't the target market for this device.
@@camerongray1515
1. Raid 1 also has higher throughput (read operations) just like Raid 0.
2. Using all free RAM as write cache for HDD's is easy.
My bad on RAID 1, completely forgot about that! As for the RAM cache, I rebooted the machine between tests to ensure that no part of the file would be cached in RAM. Sure, technically a NAS could cache the writes into RAM and then later write them to disk for increased write performance (write-back cache), however my performance testing here doens't indicate that that is happening and it's also a risky thing to do in the even of power failure - this is why hardware RAID cards have batteries for when their write back cache is enabled.
@@camerongray1515you are right, and I need glasses, I scrolled through and didn't see that you were testing RAID10, not RAID1 :)
Yay can't wait for Unifi to accidently share my NAS with the world
Don't have time to watch the video - hoping someone in the comments can answer me.
- Is this Ubiquiti's first foray into the storage market?
- Do they have JBOD expansions/disk shelves?
I have been trying to keep my eyes out for a JBOD or disk shelf that I could reasonably run in my living room (read: noise and affordable) and have come up empty.
Using raid 5 like it’s 1999 lol no thanks, Raid 10 ☑️
Raid 5 is perfectly fine when using ssd, using spinning rust, in 2024-2025 kinda pointless at times
It entirely comes down to your needs, not everyone needs extreme performance, sometimes a large amount of bulk storage is more important. For my setup here we had 32TB of raw disks, that's not going to be cheap with SSD, even in 2024! Performance wise, this setup with 4 HDDs in RAID 5 could easily exceed 400MB/s - not slow at all for network storage - can easily saturate 2.5GbE!
@@camerongray1515 rebuild times are raid 5s worst enemy. When on spinning rust at least. On SSD, well it kinda fixed all the pain points.
@@camerongray1515 one thing I will say is I’m looking forward to the patch (heard it will be around February or so) and that should hopefully give us some expanded features.
I will say this the barrier to entry is removed compared to Synology for basic nas functionality. They beat them out the water hands down. You can’t beat that UNVR price unless you build a nas!
7 drives irks the crap out of me! Really needs 8 drives!
yeah they could have maybe done away with the touch screen and made them line up to get 8
Ethernet on the back and maybe one or two USBC/3.2 connectors on the front would have been good
Six plus a hot spare, I guess.
Without ZFS or a similar solution to Unraid, I can only think that they thought "Hey! Let's make a NAS" but none of their engineers were familiar with modern NAS technology and they clearly didn't ask enough questions or do enough research. RAID 10 is CRINGE and shows that they are out of touch.
what a 💩 take 😂 get real dude
@@chimpo131 It is firm criticism and I'm standing by it! If you had a better understanding of NAS I'm confident you'd share my stance.
Especially for $500 and calling it pro, I agree. Should have had ZFS or something similar, ideally options for both. Also redundant PSUs would be needed for anything pro.
@@tokiomitohsaka7770they have a power back up system you can add, but that’s what your gonna get with UniFi
@@XciterD Ofcourse they understand the NAS market. They just made choices you disagree with.
Is this sponsored content? If so, it should be marked as such.
Ubiquiti provided the hardware free of charge as stated in the video - I've actually had the hardware for some time to allow me to provide feedback on various software revisions before release. No money has changed hands and the only influence Ubiquiti has had over the content of this video were the updates I added in about future software improvements (The addition of RAID 6 coming soon, the renaming of the RAID levels and the addition of passwordless SMB mounting). Everything in this video is my own opinion of the device.
oh look! More unifi gear I'd never install in my house due to single points of failure...
such a hard accent..., only youtube-subtitles made this possible to understand.
Their products and software has been getting worse and worse over time, I wouldn't buy Unifi gear again and am looking elsewhere to replace my switches. I certainly wouldn't trust them as my NAS.