Hi Justin, First of all we wanted to thank you for your in-depth review. There is no doubt that we are also learning on the go and there is a lot to learn from you.♥ We will be happy to refer to the things you mentioned in the review and shed some light - Let's start with the fact that our cymbals are indeed very large and thin, which makes them very comfortable to play and there is no doubt that they give a realistic feeling. Regarding the fingerprints on the rubber - we are happy to announce that in the next two weeks we will present in the Shanghai exhibition the new series of our cymbals and it includes some major changes - 1. We replaced the rubber with one that does not get dirty easily.🥁 2. We significantly raised the bell area in order to make it easier to play .🥁🥁 3. We replaced and installed new very high quality triggers full circle edge strike sensor🥁🥁🥁 Of course we will send you the new models so that you can be impressed, and you are right.. When there is a new company on the market, We can never know how long her products will last, but Justin we are here to stay and improve and be the best we can be..why? Because we are drummers who love what we do. Therefore, we have decided to give a two-year full warranty on all our electronic cymbals, both current and new series...we are ready to make a commitment for you.🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥 We are attaching a small video with explanations about the new series and at the end a drumming section on a hybrid acrylic set that we built and on which we do all the tests. Again, thanks Justin! Much appreciated, keep up the important work. World Drummers Team🤘 ua-cam.com/video/iZ-kHqDIf4A/v-deo.html&ab_channel=WorldDrummers
@Wdrummers that is good news! Are you entertaining any 1-to-1 exchange for these newer series of cymbals when they are available? I bought two of your 17" dual-zone crash cymbals from your eBay store about one month ago and only one of them was played for 10 minutes. I still have the original boxes and parts for both cymbals. Thank you!
Great review, Justin! It's really interesting to see the range of experiences with these pads. I haven't had the issues you've experienced with the bell zone mistriggering or the edge switch failing (so far, at least!) It's wild how loud the retriggers were in your test too, they sounded like duplicated full-force hits rather than the low volume rattles I've had and that Brady talked about in his 17" crash review. It looks like "inconsistent" is becoming the throughline at the moment, which is a real shame. One thing unites us all though - that dreaded cowbell mount 😂
yeah, your retriggers were huge compared to what I experienced. As an update on the cowbell mount, I have found that it works pretty well mounted almost parallel to the ground to hang your headphones on, so there's that 🤣
I must say that I own the exact same cymbals (20” ride + 17” crash), also 14 inch dual hihats and the 22” bassdrum head with trigger! They work amazing! I have the TD-15 module so I had to make a few adjustments with the pad settings as expected, but I did not encounter the problems shown here but I did change the settings a bit like what you said Justin and the cymbals response has improved! I highly recommend these products, great value for money, let’s see the changes of the new models Thanks for this video!🤘🏼
Seems like they're a work in progress. E drum workshop reviewed their cowbell and it had a few problems. If they can improve quality and keep prices low they might be a contender.
This was a fun review to watch, you go really in-depth and give your pros and cons and that's much better than looking at just the good parts. I'm a drummer that's just started off pretty early, could you do a review for the Simmons Titan 70? I'm considering to buy it soon, plus I think your reviews are awesome and it'll be nice to see you review this too, thanks!
Hi Justin, just bought those UNLOCK 8“ splash, got to say it is a perfect choice for those with low budget and want to get a dual-trigger splash. Cost me about 45$ only!!!
My kit currently has 7 more recent Ronald cymbols, 2 of which are digital, plus a digital HH...after having an ATV set plus ATV HH, I'm never buying anything else... Ronald is expensive but well worth the money imo as I beat the shit of my kit. Imma just hold out for Ronald to maybe drop a digital 20" one day. The 18's" are fine for ride and china but if *they* do a 20", it's getting purchased! Maybe even two, it's all about stage presence also!
Another great review! I always look forward to your thoughts. I was sent the same 20" ride with one pickup that you got, and it came with its own host of issues. The folks at UNLOCK let me know that they are updating the product, so I'm holding off on my thoughts until I get the updated ride. I have been enjoying the 17" crash though and haven't had any issues with them. *thanks for the shoutout!
We definitely do need "larger" cymbals for beginner and novice players at affordable prices for sure. I guess $200 for the 20" is a good deal relatively, but it's still a bit expensive for me. That's 1/2 to 1/3 of the entire kit price on the lower end.
I bought one of these to try it out. Mixed reviews on my end. Bell only triggers in a specific spot at the bottom of the bell zone. Get to close to the mounting hole and it only triggers the bow. Also, as with yours, a hard strike on the bell zone will trigger an edge strike. Its good product for someone on a budget or a beginner but not great for a more experienced or nuanced player. In the defense of this cymbal the odd ball bell/edge issue seems to be a habit of thin cymbals in general. The same phenomenon occurs with my Roland CY16R as well.
Take aways - companies are starting to challenge the idea that small disks equal cymbals. Accessories are making a comeback and everyone is gonna have to up their game a bit.. We the drummers are the winners when that happens..
Great review as always. I've looked at these cymbals and there other pads, and felt they were built to a lower price point than what a gigging drummer would feel is reliable. I think they would work fine for home practice, but I wouldn't trust them on stage.
i'm REEAALLY hoping lemon cymbals starts making some new 14 hats , 20 rides perhaps a 16 crash the lemons i have,seem to work better than my alesis cymbals thanks for the review, i almost made plans to buy the 20 i think i'll wait a bit though , like you said they've got good ideas , they just need to bring their quality control up ..
I've just now discovered the Unlock brand exists. I have a couple of Lemon brand cymbals. A 13" 3 zone & a 13" 2 zone that I scored for well under $100 each. Still though, IMO? On my full size Mapex conversion (12" & 16" toms w/ 22" kick) project? I feel 13" & 14" inch cymbals are going to just look a bit odd. I think I definitely want to end up getting some 15", 17", and 20" cymbals. Possibly this Unlock brand may do the trick on the cheap? I'm competent enough with a soldering iron to do possible repairs, but having a cymbal outright fail live or in session? That may be a deal breaker. Currently using an old Roland TD-6V module into EZDrummer3. Thanks Justin!
The choice for bigger cymbals has to be more common - buy why are they so much more money? It's just the same internals with a bunch more plastic around it. Like if I buy 2 rubbermaid bins the one that's twice the size is like $6 more. When they are acoustic cymbals the price difference makes more sense but not when it's a frisbee. I welcome more entry level brands that want to put more pressure on the bigger brands to stop equating size with quality when it comes to edrums when it's all about the electronics. Selfishly I hate playing on dinky 12" hi-hats and wish I could more easily upgrade to a 14" or 15".
I bought two of the 17" dual-zone crash cymbals to give them a spin after watching eDrumWorkshop's review. While they trigger fine I am not enthused about the overall build quality and might just sell them. I am spoiled by ATV, EFNOTE, and the Roland Digital cymbals. If Lemon finds a way to create thinner cymbals in their lineup, THOSE would be supreme value cymbals. See you at NAMM 2024 again hopefully!
I absolutely agree the one thing I always hated about electronic drums is those crappy small Micky Mouse size cymbals they look crap and don’t feel right to play either to me …good vid Justin 👍
Hey would you mind answering this for me Should I buy Roland TD17KVX used for 1300$? Literally only good roland set in our used market and a new set is 2200$ where i live
@@dilankarun9172 yes sir. Just wild to me that you can get a kit from them with a real type of hi hat for about $500. A acoustic styled one for under $1000. Seems to good to be true.
Hey i really need your help. I want to rebuild my Alesis surge with a new module new components and other kicks. Now do you think that is smart or should I just go buy better kit when I have the money? Please help
We all love saving money but to me personally I don't like all this cheap stuff coming out of China. Yes the big companies stuff is more expensive but there's a reason for that. They simply make good stuff.
Hi Justin,
First of all we wanted to thank you for your in-depth review. There is no doubt that we are also learning on the go and there is a lot to learn from you.♥
We will be happy to refer to the things you mentioned in the review and shed some light -
Let's start with the fact that our cymbals are indeed very large and thin, which makes them very comfortable to play and there is no doubt that they give a realistic feeling.
Regarding the fingerprints on the rubber - we are happy to announce that in the next two weeks we will present in the Shanghai exhibition the new series of our cymbals and it includes some major changes -
1. We replaced the rubber with one that does not get dirty easily.🥁
2. We significantly raised the bell area in order to make it easier to play .🥁🥁
3. We replaced and installed new very high quality triggers full circle edge strike sensor🥁🥁🥁
Of course we will send you the new models so that you can be impressed, and you are right.. When there is a new company on the market,
We can never know how long her products will last, but Justin we are here to stay and improve and be the best we can be..why?
Because we are drummers who love what we do.
Therefore, we have decided to give a two-year full warranty on all our electronic cymbals, both current and new series...we are ready to make a commitment for you.🔥🔥🔥🔥🔥
We are attaching a small video with explanations about the new series and at the end a drumming section on a hybrid acrylic set that we built and on which we do all the tests.
Again, thanks Justin!
Much appreciated, keep up the important work.
World Drummers Team🤘
ua-cam.com/video/iZ-kHqDIf4A/v-deo.html&ab_channel=WorldDrummers
Good to know, I'll pin this comment so the viewers can see the changes you mentioned
Cheers Mate🍻@@xPaPaDx
Thanks, Cheers 🍻@@65Drums
@Wdrummers that is good news! Are you entertaining any 1-to-1 exchange for these newer series of cymbals when they are available? I bought two of your 17" dual-zone crash cymbals from your eBay store about one month ago and only one of them was played for 10 minutes. I still have the original boxes and parts for both cymbals. Thank you!
Cool !
Quick update, there was a rotation stopper in the box, I just missed it hidden in all the foam. Also, a new version of the cymbal line is on the way.
I love when Justin gives the companies what they really need to work on lol 🔥🤩
Thank you so much Justin
Glad you enjoyed it!
@@xPaPaDx Yes indeed
lol your smug half smile when you said the pun about "haven't unlocked it yet" at the end... well done.
Another well produced, thoughtful and honest review.
Great review, Justin! It's really interesting to see the range of experiences with these pads. I haven't had the issues you've experienced with the bell zone mistriggering or the edge switch failing (so far, at least!) It's wild how loud the retriggers were in your test too, they sounded like duplicated full-force hits rather than the low volume rattles I've had and that Brady talked about in his 17" crash review. It looks like "inconsistent" is becoming the throughline at the moment, which is a real shame. One thing unites us all though - that dreaded cowbell mount 😂
I literally thought the mounting hardware for the cowbell was put in there by mistake at first 😂
yeah, your retriggers were huge compared to what I experienced.
As an update on the cowbell mount, I have found that it works pretty well mounted almost parallel to the ground to hang your headphones on, so there's that 🤣
I must say that I own the exact same cymbals (20” ride + 17” crash), also 14 inch dual hihats and the 22” bassdrum head with trigger!
They work amazing! I have the TD-15 module so I had to make a few adjustments with the pad settings as expected, but I did not encounter the problems shown here but I did change the settings a bit like what you said Justin and the cymbals response has improved! I highly recommend these products, great value for money, let’s see the changes of the new models
Thanks for this video!🤘🏼
Thanks for the content Justin!
Seems like they're a work in progress. E drum workshop reviewed their cowbell and it had a few problems. If they can improve quality and keep prices low they might be a contender.
This was a fun review to watch, you go really in-depth and give your pros and cons and that's much better than looking at just the good parts. I'm a drummer that's just started off pretty early, could you do a review for the Simmons Titan 70? I'm considering to buy it soon, plus I think your reviews are awesome and it'll be nice to see you review this too, thanks!
Hi Justin, just bought those UNLOCK 8“ splash, got to say it is a perfect choice for those with low budget and want to get a dual-trigger splash. Cost me about 45$ only!!!
you're doing great work, justin!
My kit currently has 7 more recent Ronald cymbols, 2 of which are digital, plus a digital HH...after having an ATV set plus ATV HH, I'm never buying anything else... Ronald is expensive but well worth the money imo as I beat the shit of my kit. Imma just hold out for Ronald to maybe drop a digital 20" one day. The 18's" are fine for ride and china but if *they* do a 20", it's getting purchased! Maybe even two, it's all about stage presence also!
Another great review! I always look forward to your thoughts. I was sent the same 20" ride with one pickup that you got, and it came with its own host of issues. The folks at UNLOCK let me know that they are updating the product, so I'm holding off on my thoughts until I get the updated ride. I have been enjoying the 17" crash though and haven't had any issues with them. *thanks for the shoutout!
Hey Just great content as always have you seen DW just released a preview of their new electronic hybrid drum set?
They're calling it the DWe line!
We definitely do need "larger" cymbals for beginner and novice players at affordable prices for sure. I guess $200 for the 20" is a good deal relatively, but it's still a bit expensive for me. That's 1/2 to 1/3 of the entire kit price on the lower end.
No doubt, electronic drums as a whole category cost way too much. Guitarists have it easy compared to us
I bought one of these to try it out. Mixed reviews on my end. Bell only triggers in a specific spot at the bottom of the bell zone. Get to close to the mounting hole and it only triggers the bow. Also, as with yours, a hard strike on the bell zone will trigger an edge strike. Its good product for someone on a budget or a beginner but not great for a more experienced or nuanced player. In the defense of this cymbal the odd ball bell/edge issue seems to be a habit of thin cymbals in general. The same phenomenon occurs with my Roland CY16R as well.
For the cable management clips, see if it helps if you try crossing the cables and hook them on opposing sides to relieve tension.
I tried that and yeah it works better that way. But it looked odd to me, so I just went with no clips
Seems like with some refinement and quality control these would be pretty great. This would probably increase the price point a little as well.
The new 20" Unlock Lightning Ride is out, any quality review video on the works for that one? It seems to have your suggested changes applied.
Been thinking of getting a 18” lemon ride
Take aways - companies are starting to challenge the idea that small disks equal cymbals. Accessories are making a comeback and everyone is gonna have to up their game a bit.. We the drummers are the winners when that happens..
Great review as always. I've looked at these cymbals and there other pads, and felt they were built to a lower price point than what a gigging drummer would feel is reliable. I think they would work fine for home practice, but I wouldn't trust them on stage.
My thoughts exactly. Seems like a toy.
i'm REEAALLY hoping lemon cymbals starts making some new 14 hats , 20 rides perhaps a 16 crash
the lemons i have,seem to work better than my alesis cymbals
thanks for the review, i almost made plans to buy the 20 i think i'll wait a bit though , like you said they've got good ideas , they just need to bring their quality control up ..
I've just now discovered the Unlock brand exists. I have a couple of Lemon brand cymbals. A 13" 3 zone & a 13" 2 zone that I scored for well under $100 each.
Still though, IMO? On my full size Mapex conversion (12" & 16" toms w/ 22" kick) project? I feel 13" & 14" inch cymbals are going to just look a bit odd.
I think I definitely want to end up getting some 15", 17", and 20" cymbals. Possibly this Unlock brand may do the trick on the cheap?
I'm competent enough with a soldering iron to do possible repairs, but having a cymbal outright fail live or in session? That may be a deal breaker.
Currently using an old Roland TD-6V module into EZDrummer3.
Thanks Justin!
The choice for bigger cymbals has to be more common - buy why are they so much more money? It's just the same internals with a bunch more plastic around it. Like if I buy 2 rubbermaid bins the one that's twice the size is like $6 more. When they are acoustic cymbals the price difference makes more sense but not when it's a frisbee. I welcome more entry level brands that want to put more pressure on the bigger brands to stop equating size with quality when it comes to edrums when it's all about the electronics. Selfishly I hate playing on dinky 12" hi-hats and wish I could more easily upgrade to a 14" or 15".
Out of curiosity,did you find out what was broken in that 20 inch ride? was it a cable?the switch membrane?
The great Justin has spoken. Kiss of death. Next ! ( There's no way you can have a Cymbal go bad in the middle of a performance).
Wow, they make lemon look good 🤣
I bought two of the 17" dual-zone crash cymbals to give them a spin after watching eDrumWorkshop's review. While they trigger fine I am not enthused about the overall build quality and might just sell them. I am spoiled by ATV, EFNOTE, and the Roland Digital cymbals. If Lemon finds a way to create thinner cymbals in their lineup, THOSE would be supreme value cymbals.
See you at NAMM 2024 again hopefully!
I absolutely agree the one thing I always hated about electronic drums is those crappy small Micky Mouse size cymbals they look crap and don’t feel right to play either to me …good vid Justin 👍
Hey would you mind answering this for me
Should I buy Roland TD17KVX used for 1300$? Literally only good roland set in our used market and a new set is 2200$ where i live
Finally a electric cowbell
Blessings justine,, where is unlock from?
Why haven’t you reviewed any Millennium Drums stuff? Now that I’ve looked past your channel to other things they seem like the best bang for the buck.
He's been waiting on Millennium drums to send a kit for quite awhile now. I think they are owned by Thomanns ?
@@dilankarun9172 yes sir. Just wild to me that you can get a kit from them with a real type of hi hat for about $500. A acoustic styled one for under $1000. Seems to good to be true.
@@dilankarun9172 I’ve seen good reviews from smaller channels but I trust this man the most to give to me straight.
Kit at 1:08?
Hey i really need your help.
I want to rebuild my Alesis surge with a new module new components and other kicks. Now do you think that is smart or should I just go buy better kit when I have the money?
Please help
It would be nice and more realistic if they made the bell zone bigger! like a real ride cymbal.
This is exactly what will be in our new series -
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Can you use it for Simmons Titan 50?
Are your sticks on the description updated?
Those are still wooden sticks that I like. In this video I'm using a some strange plastic sticks.
We all love saving money but to me personally I don't like all this cheap stuff coming out of China. Yes the big companies stuff is more expensive but there's a reason for that. They simply make good stuff.
moobell
Is your father Red Forman???
If you say that one is 500$ you also have to say that the other one is 200$ instead of saying 199$
Today I’d rather have a small target that sounds good than a large one that sounds like schitt
sounds dreadful. how do they not have better QA?
Thats a shame, $200 would have been nice for a 20 inch
I think they can get there eventually, and I hope they do. Because I love that price tag
An electronic cowbell...😢
If the brand is Chinese, no way I am buying their products no matter how good they are.
Wow these products are really bad.