This is how you deal with failure. You admit something happened and you put it in the preamble. Then you suggest ways to fix it. Very well done, guys. *Respect*
(Jokingly) tHiS iS tHe WrOnG tRaNsMiSsIoN!!!! Honestly, thanks for addressing it right at the beginning, love the transparency. I’m still gonna watch the vid cuz it’s so cool to see the Car Ninja in his natural habitat
No worries, Mike. Even seasoned experts run into project dead-ends from time to time. Thanks for the transparency though! It's appreciated out here. :) Keep up the awesome work, Team Ninja!
I was originally thinking, man what a waste of labor money only to find out it won't work. But on the bright side, it's basically just a clutch replacement job up until this point, granted you did also remove the shifter assembly. But maybe it wasn't all a waste if you throw a new clutch in?
Post the videos. We will watch them, even if the end is already known. Your transparency and honesty is welcoming . Difficult to find honesty in the auto industry; beginning with car sales people .
At this point Johnny can take it apart but can he put it back? I love how he keeps reiterating that he is done with this car 😂. Mistakes happen and at least you are willing to show that things don’t always go as planned. Keep up the good work!
@@myz06rocks so? He’s not a fool and therefore the money he spent on this project is hardly what you’d call “parted”. Us watching the video and posting comments about how he’s a fool is ironic as hell.
even with a different bolt pattern the 645i manual can be made to fit as you probably only need a specific custom-made adapter plate. However, you will need the pedal mounting etc from the 6 coupe. Even a Merc AMG 55 can be converted with a manual Nissan gearbox using a custom-made adapter plate.
If the bellhousing flange is the only thing that is different, it should be no big problem to CNC the correct flange, cut the wrong one off and weld the correct back on. Its beeing done all the time in europe to use the BMW 530D transmission for 2JZ engines, since we dont have good access to the Tremec transmissions like Americans do.
One of the issues with M6 and the rest GT size cars is bushings being much softer. Upgrade or fill in air gaps on OE bushings, and the car will feel much more direct.
@@sebastiendebuisson5380 Not sure about that to be honest, Hoovie is a busy guy, and his communication may well have gotten lost in all the other stuff he gets.
Eagle grit we just started using that stuff I work for a winery here in Lodi California, that stuff is actually produced in Stockton California 15 minutes away from me lol.
Interesting. Is it the entire transmission that's different or just the bolt pattern? Could you swap a bell housing from the E90 M3 manual transmission and put it on this one to make it fit?
It should just have a new clutch put in and get put back together. Tyler should just have EuroAsian Bob sell it on consignment. It would make a nice stock weekend toy for someone.
If this was the wiz, he'd be saying don't leave, you've got a bill, and then laughs. Stuff happens, throw a new clutch in, have the car detailed by hoovies detail guy, and send it down the road. G-d bless you fellas from a lady in michigan. Jonny, thanks for darn near running when tyler acted like that shifter was part of his man parts, the wiz would have played along and been even more obnoxious acting like young teenage boy's.
Here in Germany no BMW Dealer is touching that.. Johnny was just doing Tyler a favour. These professional maintenance shops like Johnnys GMW don't have time for it.
FCP has been putting together lousy kits for a while. It kind of sucks because for E46, they are very good but anything passed that seems like you need to do some external research before proceeding.
Take the best bits and part the rest of the car out...Hoovie gets the correct E90 M3 transmission. Jonny fits it and Tyler gets a great manual M6... Simples...
We live in a world we’re everyone says things can’t be done but with the right know how and right tools you could make it fit if some one can fit a four wheel drive dsg gear box from a golf to a Honda civic by making adapter plates the same could do done with that just a case of what at your disposal?
Maybe not what you are asking, but I dont think euro market ever got a manual M6. It never did get a manual M5 for sure at least, so it getting a manual M6 seems unlikely.
@@chrissiebeneck3294 They werent going to build any manuals at all, anywhere at first. Some very vocal, affluent and influential US customers had more or less a petition to make it happen, and BMW decided to humor them, for PR reasons mainly. They probably took a financial loss on every manual car sold. No such group existed elsewhere in the world, so they didnt get one. Those rare manual cars you talk about are surely from low volume manufacturers or cars which already had a manual planned in the manufacturing. Setting up a new factory line or modifying an existing one to be able to fit a transmission not originally planned, not to mention certification of the car, for a volume manufacturer is hilariously expensive.
Hoovie doesn't seem to have much luck with BMWs. Its a shame this one will become a parts car. And now Ninja knows what bits fit what models, every day's a learning day.
I know there are a lot of BMW master techs who enjoy Jonny's channel, and since today's video concerns a manual swap, I'm trying to build my own unicorn in case anyone has advice or would like to talk about doing the job. I'm a decently good home mechanic (I have my intake torn off right now for carbon cleaning and glow plugs) but I don't have a lift or the coding skills that would be required to do this swap. I'm in the Pacific NW and will consider anyone in the lower 48 or Canada if this matches your skillset. Read on for details... I have an F30 2014 328 diesel AWD US spec with the ZF 8AT. I am looking to swap in a 6MT that I would source from either the UK or Germany, as the same car was sold with a 6MT option in those markets. Unfortunately, gasser transmissions do not have the correct ratios, and I don't see that the 6MT part 23007635768 has ever been used in a vehicle exported to the US. From the research I've performed, it should be a part for part swap taking out the 8AT and putting in the 6MT. I would use my existing transfer case, F and R driveshafts, and F and R differentials. I have confirmed they all fit by comparing UK VINs in RealOEM for the equivalent year 6MT EUR 320xd. The hard part promises to be the coding. I need a master at ISTA who knows how to trick the computer into believing it's a manual and no trans module is required. Could it get as complicated as requiring an EUR spec DME and screwing around with the SCR? I hope not, but that's where I'd rely on your expertise. I don't have to emissions test so there's some flexibility to do whatever is necessary. There are a few complications to add to an already complicated job. The 8AT final drive ratio is 2.813, while the 6MT cars in Europe use a 3.231 final drive. I prefer to keep my original diffs because the manual cars in Europe are geared too short for my liking. Since this is our family's interstate cruiser, I need the longer gears. I've done the math on this, and by keeping the 2.813 diffs, my 6MT 4th, 5th, 6th gears would match up very closely to the 8AT's 6th, 7th, 8th gears. This is where it matters to me. I find that the ZF 8 speed is too crowded with gears below 40 mph anyway, and there's plenty of torque on tap to make 1st gear run 15% faster than stock. Can the car be coded to use the 8AT diffs along with the 6MT gearbox? Will I get driveline errors if I try it? Will the speedo show 60 mph while I'm actually doing 68? These are all questions that I have. Also, while the trans is out, it would be a crime not to inspect the timing chain and replace the guides, rear main seal, Loctite the transfer case rear driveshaft flange to the splines to fix the weakness of the ATC35L, all that jazz. I'm in this car for life. I have modified it myself by retrofitting bixenon headlights, building in a 2KW pure sine wave inverter, and adding a class III tow hitch. I use this car to take me off the grid while still driving something enjoyable when not in expedition mode. I use this same name on the F30 forums so if this sounds like something that interests you, send me a message there or feel free to reply here.
(Trol) You are aware that is the wrong transmission aren't you? Sorry, I had to.... Nice of you guys to address the error at the beginning of the video. Keep up the good work!!!
No it is not. SMG is a 7 speed transmission, not 6. It is completely different and have nothing in common with older generation 6 speed SMG transmissions like M3 E46.
Certainty not the Ninja’s fault. Its a very nice car, and all Hoovie’s chatter about being bothered by using this as a donor and essentially scrapping it turned out to be more relevant than originally thought. I say you put the 645 back together, and present it to a worthy viewer/subscriber. I’d totally daily that car, as is. Any changes I felt I wanted to make would be on me….I had on 00 540iT that I put over 250K on, and regret selling it to this day….
To the person who edits these videos: can you please check the scenes where power tools are used, theyre like infinitely louder than the talking parts, so i find myself wrestling with the volume controls
Nothing is better than an honest shop, keeps us coming back for more work.
I think in this situation honesty is the best policy🤷.
@@mrgarrison3516 I think Hoovie thrives on the punishment he gets from his hoopties .
@@matzrat5006
I wish Hoovie put out 2 videos a day....like Scotty Kilmer does 🤔
@@mrgarrison3516Scotty’s crazy…
@@micharel937
Yeh ik 😄
This is how you deal with failure. You admit something happened and you put it in the preamble. Then you suggest ways to fix it.
Very well done, guys. *Respect*
OMG I'm just laughing my ass off over here.. not at Jonny or Mike.. but this is so ON BRAND for Tyler. LOL
Right? This is classic Hoovie, lmao.
While he owns alot of cars hes not a car guy.
@@mmmadog Yeah... I know. Tyler knows a lot ABOUT cars, but not the same way as Ninja or Wizard.
@@RealRickCox Are we surprised that a car salesman doesn't know as much as a mechanic about cars?
Tyler doesn't care. It just makes more bravado for his UA-cam channel. People love this shit. You're a prime example.
(Jokingly) tHiS iS tHe WrOnG tRaNsMiSsIoN!!!!
Honestly, thanks for addressing it right at the beginning, love the transparency. I’m still gonna watch the vid cuz it’s so cool to see the Car Ninja in his natural habitat
I can’t even swap floor mats, so I’ll continue to admire all involved.
😂😅😂
It's only fair that Hoovie grants the donor car a new life.
Absolutely! 💯
it will still be interesting to watch
That is so big of you guys to admit your wrong and then humble your self's. This is why i watch you'll videos . thanks again
yourselves
The car wizard would have his head too far up his ass to admit he was wrong. Jonny and the team are all class
*you're
THEY were not wrong,Tyler was.
Viper on the grammar 😂
No worries, Mike. Even seasoned experts run into project dead-ends from time to time. Thanks for the transparency though! It's appreciated out here. :)
Keep up the awesome work, Team Ninja!
I was originally thinking, man what a waste of labor money only to find out it won't work. But on the bright side, it's basically just a clutch replacement job up until this point, granted you did also remove the shifter assembly. But maybe it wasn't all a waste if you throw a new clutch in?
would love to see this car go backtogether
That's the best outcome now. Nothing removed from the donor car can't be put back if parting it out at this point doesn't make sense.
Post the videos. We will watch them, even if the end is already known. Your transparency and honesty is welcoming . Difficult to find honesty in the auto industry; beginning with car sales people .
At this point Johnny can take it apart but can he put it back? I love how he keeps reiterating that he is done with this car 😂. Mistakes happen and at least you are willing to show that things don’t always go as planned. Keep up the good work!
I suspect being a BMW mechanic, your mantra is probably always going to be "I'm done with this car!"
That car just looks too clean to be a donor car, what a waste. 👍
Well - very unlikly to be a "waste" since it can't be used - it can be sold.
It's all good, being transparent makes me like this channel more!
5:04 one thing about being a mech, you get good arms and a good heart...working over your head all the time makes the blood run out of my arms......
M539 Restoration pointed it out!
Hate that Jonny got that far into the project before finding out it wouldn't work
Pretty sure Tyler will pay for the labor
@@gs1100ed ofc, and this video is also money
Love the Ninja but let's face it, Hoovie isn't precisely the sharpest nail in the bag.
I would blame this on him, since that one shop told him it would work
@@juanaz1860 fool and his money… I’m sure you know the rest
@@myz06rockshe made a video out of it. That video alone will pay for the donor and the new transmission he still needs.
@@AnontheGOAT so…
@@myz06rocks so? He’s not a fool and therefore the money he spent on this project is hardly what you’d call “parted”. Us watching the video and posting comments about how he’s a fool is ironic as hell.
even with a different bolt pattern the 645i manual can be made to fit as you probably only need a specific custom-made adapter plate. However, you will need the pedal mounting etc from the 6 coupe. Even a Merc AMG 55 can be converted with a manual Nissan gearbox using a custom-made adapter plate.
''probably''
If the bellhousing flange is the only thing that is different, it should be no big problem to CNC the correct flange, cut the wrong one off and weld the correct back on. Its beeing done all the time in europe to use the BMW 530D transmission for 2JZ engines, since we dont have good access to the Tremec transmissions like Americans do.
@@Timoastra I thought about a Tremec as well.
@@sys-administrator That's not what Hoovy aims for. He wants the V10 engine with a manual transmission.
One of the issues with M6 and the rest GT size cars is bushings being much softer. Upgrade or fill in air gaps on OE bushings, and the car will feel much more direct.
67K and the bottom of that car is dry? On a BMW?! 😅😅😅
Crazy, huh?
@@realcarninja, you're a good man Johnny. Keep up the excellent work.
They don’t start leaking till 70k
I believe I have had several BMWs way above that milage, bone dry.
Of course they were sold and driven in europe.... 😉
Been running empty, clearly....
I saw that post about transmission wouldn’t fit and wondered if it was true
There’s usually people in the comments that really do know what they’re talking about. I’m glad you guys aren’t arrogant and just dismiss everything.
Starting work without asking Sreten (M539 Restorations)? Not a great plan :D
I was just thinking the same thing!
In fact he reached out with Hoovie in his video...better drama and views than doing the job right from the first place😂
@@sebastiendebuisson5380 Not sure about that to be honest, Hoovie is a busy guy, and his communication may well have gotten lost in all the other stuff he gets.
sooo now I need to call Tyler about buyng that manual 6
Eagle grit we just started using that stuff I work for a winery here in Lodi California, that stuff is actually produced in Stockton California 15 minutes away from me lol.
The 645 needs to be saved. It's an awesome car.
Interesting. Is it the entire transmission that's different or just the bolt pattern? Could you swap a bell housing from the E90 M3 manual transmission and put it on this one to make it fit?
Well that conversion project is a spectacular crash and burn. Guess we'll have to wait for the rest of the story.
Nobody’s perfect 👍🏼 Good stuff guys enjoying these Ninja videos so much !
you did what you could. hope you end up getting a good pair o bmw in the end
BUMMER!! Thanks for giving us a heads-up!! 😎👍
It should just have a new clutch put in and get put back together. Tyler should just have EuroAsian Bob sell it on consignment. It would make a nice stock weekend toy for someone.
There's no way I would have known it's the wrong one.
If this was the wiz, he'd be saying don't leave, you've got a bill, and then laughs. Stuff happens, throw a new clutch in, have the car detailed by hoovies detail guy, and send it down the road. G-d bless you fellas from a lady in michigan. Jonny, thanks for darn near running when tyler acted like that shifter was part of his man parts, the wiz would have played along and been even more obnoxious acting like young teenage boy's.
Hahahhahahhahahahah!!!!😂😂😂 such a Tyler move! He really is living up to his tagline!!
This is good news for all the people who didn’t want to see the convertible killed.
Here in Germany no BMW Dealer is touching that.. Johnny was just doing Tyler a favour.
These professional maintenance shops like Johnnys GMW don't have time for it.
Why can't the bellhousing be changed?
im siure they will find an adapter. or something. if u can put a viper engine in a Nissan im sure u can fine a way. thanks to scraplife garrage
Thanks bro I learned quite a lot from watching this ❤
Parting out that old 6 series might pay for the whole project after time, but that takes awhile.
Love the shirt Mike. Keep up the great work
How about some videos on the E83 X3?
FCP has been putting together lousy kits for a while. It kind of sucks because for E46, they are very good but anything passed that seems like you need to do some external research before proceeding.
FCP is jack of all master of none in my experience. It's a good site otherwise. I've spent thousands over the years
Interior is very useful to swap over. Just get E90x M3 transmission new from BMW. Used ones are abused many cases. New one will increase swap value.
Love the LaRue sweatshirt, Mike!
Bummer, but I always seem to learn more when things go wrong.
Let's get an update on the Ninja's Ferrari.
Even the best made plans go off the rails!
Awesome! Thx a million from sunny Phoenix, Arizona, USA
awesome being forward and transperent
That car is so clean underneath , no leaks.
the transmission is out, might as well do a service on it and put it back in
1:18 epic shirt brother
You still learn new stuff every day
Take the best bits and part the rest of the car out...Hoovie gets the correct E90 M3 transmission. Jonny fits it and Tyler gets a great manual M6... Simples...
Great explanation
We live in a world we’re everyone says things can’t be done but with the right know how and right tools you could make it fit if some one can fit a four wheel drive dsg gear box from a golf to a Honda civic by making adapter plates the same could do done with that just a case of what at your disposal?
Love the shirt on the editor.
I'm curious if the European market has the same differences, or if there was some miscommunication with hoovie and FCP Euro?
Maybe not what you are asking, but I dont think euro market ever got a manual M6. It never did get a manual M5 for sure at least, so it getting a manual M6 seems unlikely.
@@GoldenCroc given all the other rare manual cars they did get, that seems like an odd decision from BMW
@@chrissiebeneck3294only the US (maybe Canada) got the manual M5/6.
@@chrissiebeneck3294 They werent going to build any manuals at all, anywhere at first. Some very vocal, affluent and influential US customers had more or less a petition to make it happen, and BMW decided to humor them, for PR reasons mainly. They probably took a financial loss on every manual car sold.
No such group existed elsewhere in the world, so they didnt get one.
Those rare manual cars you talk about are surely from low volume manufacturers or cars which already had a manual planned in the manufacturing. Setting up a new factory line or modifying an existing one to be able to fit a transmission not originally planned, not to mention certification of the car, for a volume manufacturer is hilariously expensive.
What's happening to the donor car? Seems like a decent car.
Can’t source the correct transmission?
GREAT Content!! Thanks..
I wonder what hoovies doing with that shift lever now.😂 you gotta laugh or you’ll go insane
I'm glad this car will go on to a new owner who will enjoy it rather than letting it die.
The smart thing would be to do any maintenance since it's and engine and transmission out and put it back together. to be sold. lol
‘Best laid plans of mice & men’….the silver one seems in good enough Nic to warrant a sympathetic makeover…
Learning something new is a win, even if it's the hard way.
congrats on 100k subs!
There are some smart people on this platform 👍🏻👍🏻👍🏻
You know the video is a banger when the camera man jumps out from behind the 4th wall....😅😅😅😅😅
perhaps this swap is about to get very unique. custom fab work is expensive though
I also thought it was the wrong transmission, I was hoping you guys knew something I didnt and were going to make it work somehow.
m539 called it and they gave the credit to some rando guy lmao.
Hoovie doesn't seem to have much luck with BMWs. Its a shame this one will become a parts car. And now Ninja knows what bits fit what models, every day's a learning day.
Put the zf 8hp automatic in the m6!
Johnny is probably just happy to see that red BMW - the M x-6 out of his parking lot. Think it will grow that M back on Hoovie's Farm? 😂
I know there are a lot of BMW master techs who enjoy Jonny's channel, and since today's video concerns a manual swap, I'm trying to build my own unicorn in case anyone has advice or would like to talk about doing the job. I'm a decently good home mechanic (I have my intake torn off right now for carbon cleaning and glow plugs) but I don't have a lift or the coding skills that would be required to do this swap. I'm in the Pacific NW and will consider anyone in the lower 48 or Canada if this matches your skillset.
Read on for details...
I have an F30 2014 328 diesel AWD US spec with the ZF 8AT. I am looking to swap in a 6MT that I would source from either the UK or Germany, as the same car was sold with a 6MT option in those markets. Unfortunately, gasser transmissions do not have the correct ratios, and I don't see that the 6MT part 23007635768 has ever been used in a vehicle exported to the US. From the research I've performed, it should be a part for part swap taking out the 8AT and putting in the 6MT. I would use my existing transfer case, F and R driveshafts, and F and R differentials. I have confirmed they all fit by comparing UK VINs in RealOEM for the equivalent year 6MT EUR 320xd.
The hard part promises to be the coding. I need a master at ISTA who knows how to trick the computer into believing it's a manual and no trans module is required. Could it get as complicated as requiring an EUR spec DME and screwing around with the SCR? I hope not, but that's where I'd rely on your expertise. I don't have to emissions test so there's some flexibility to do whatever is necessary.
There are a few complications to add to an already complicated job. The 8AT final drive ratio is 2.813, while the 6MT cars in Europe use a 3.231 final drive. I prefer to keep my original diffs because the manual cars in Europe are geared too short for my liking. Since this is our family's interstate cruiser, I need the longer gears. I've done the math on this, and by keeping the 2.813 diffs, my 6MT 4th, 5th, 6th gears would match up very closely to the 8AT's 6th, 7th, 8th gears. This is where it matters to me. I find that the ZF 8 speed is too crowded with gears below 40 mph anyway, and there's plenty of torque on tap to make 1st gear run 15% faster than stock.
Can the car be coded to use the 8AT diffs along with the 6MT gearbox? Will I get driveline errors if I try it? Will the speedo show 60 mph while I'm actually doing 68? These are all questions that I have.
Also, while the trans is out, it would be a crime not to inspect the timing chain and replace the guides, rear main seal, Loctite the transfer case rear driveshaft flange to the splines to fix the weakness of the ATC35L, all that jazz.
I'm in this car for life. I have modified it myself by retrofitting bixenon headlights, building in a 2KW pure sine wave inverter, and adding a class III tow hitch. I use this car to take me off the grid while still driving something enjoyable when not in expedition mode.
I use this same name on the F30 forums so if this sounds like something that interests you, send me a message there or feel free to reply here.
Just swap everything into M6 body, 😂still manual M6
Since the ninja wasn’t consulted by hoover before the idea was hatched, he is still THE NINJA👍well to me anyway!
(Trol) You are aware that is the wrong transmission aren't you? Sorry, I had to.... Nice of you guys to address the error at the beginning of the video. Keep up the good work!!!
Does Johnny now think in English? Or is it a mix? I gotta know
Make an adapter plate
It happens. No harm done. It's not like both cars are complete scrap.
Great intro thanks.
Imagine doing this much pointless work because you assumed Tyler of all people wouldn't have made a major, glaring, obvious mistake.
Plot twist, Tyler played us all and it was all a prank and excuse to bury the M6 into the ground 😂
Ok, extra points for honesty but if I want to watch a car get taken apart and then disappear forever, I'll watch Tavarish.
I’m probably wrong but isn’t the SMG a manual with solenoids? Was it not possible to use that transmission and the shifter assembly from the donor?
Trans to engine block bolt patterns are different
No it is not. SMG is a 7 speed transmission, not 6. It is completely different and have nothing in common with older generation 6 speed SMG transmissions like M3 E46.
@@fohatadri thanks for clarifying. I wasn’t aware it was a 7 speed. 👍
Certainty not the Ninja’s fault. Its a very nice car, and all Hoovie’s chatter about being bothered by using this as a donor and essentially scrapping it turned out to be more relevant than originally thought. I say you put the 645 back together, and present it to a worthy viewer/subscriber. I’d totally daily that car, as is. Any changes I felt I wanted to make would be on me….I had on 00 540iT that I put over 250K on, and regret selling it to this day….
To the person who edits these videos: can you please check the scenes where power tools are used, theyre like infinitely louder than the talking parts, so i find myself wrestling with the volume controls
This is peak Hoovie for me 🎉
Another GREAT video !
I would love to have a car like that. Would you consider selling it? I live in Charleston sc.
Well I wasn’t completely happy with gutting the 645 anyway.
Amazing and brilliant! Thank you :)
No issue, well handled
The underside of the donor car is immaculate, damn.
Get an adapter plate made for it