Why did the mk5 ford mondeo 2l diesel engine seize
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- Опубліковано 12 чер 2020
- I had an idea that the oil pump was to blame for the engine seizing ...i did not expect the oil pump chain to be broken in two places let alone one but i am believing that the worn oil pump locked up momentarily which snapped the chain although that is just a guess
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I do like your videos, I have been repairing my own cars since I started driving in the '50s and they have got progressively more difficult until the modern stuff like that Mondeo engine is ridiculous. I looked at your Ford/Citroen cambelt change and although you had it out of the car, it still looks doable. I have two C5's with that engines which are coming up due for replacement belts. I have done several XUD and 8 valve Hdi belts so with your help I think I should be able to manage these. I changed the thermostat/ housing on one of them, that was a pig of a job. You have a very good way of explaining things. Thanks.
Hi Alan, great video (just over 49 minutes) quite enjoying that one. Sorry you didn't have the damage you was looking forward to. Look forward to the next video,
Alan is a legend. Favourite UA-cam presenter 🎉
Thanks alan for this video. While it may have been boring for some. Im currently looking to buy a MK5 here in australia, and watching a lot of your videos, you give out honest feedback on what to watch out for with these cars, which has been a huge help for me to understand what to expect to replace with a high mileage MK5. So thank you
I like your style of .presentation. I don't understand a diesel motor but I have enjoyed watching you work
Old school mechanic, good to watch.
I believe I've watched every single video on this channel, and now I also find myself going:
Yaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaaah !
... and I don't even own a Ford
lol thanks ghassan al farra🤣
Yarrrrrrrr
I did my trailing arm bushes on my mk4 with the help of your video. I fitted powerflex instead of ford ones 👍 massive thanks, John
cheers john
Glass in eye's Alan,very painfull to extract,you lucky lad.
yeah i noticed that..glad i was upwind🤣..next time i will wear goggles, cheers kazuyadog😁
Impressed by your knowledge on these mondeos
cup o coffee , feet up and brand new video , cheers Alan 🤟
thanks r mc😊
Great video , I've started doing my own repairs off your video's. keep up the good work Alan. 👍
Another nice episode thanks, Alan. I have a Mk4 Mondeo, your episode on changing the rear radius arm bushes was perfect, took me a day to do them, could only get the car on axle stands!
a day lol...did you have the tool to fit the bushes..its a real pain without it
@@alan4x Hi Alan, yes had a similar tool to yours, Sealey, old bushes fell out! But had to cut and chisel out the outer rings. To be honest, I wasn't rushing..and I had to make my own tea!
Hi Allan, thanks for your videos. I have the same engine in my Citroen Picasso 2015 and video have been most helpful. Big hello to you from Sydney Australia 🇦🇺
thanks troy
Keep the content coming mate, your channel is easily worth 100k subs anytime soon.
thank you wagwarn fam
Hi Alan. Great video 👍🏻 Love you tormenting Monica 🤣 Hope things are picking up for you. So until the next time see ya 🤣🤣
cheers stevie, all is good thanks🤪🤪
That Peugeot/Citroen engine is very good and fast too, Love to see a clean workshop.
yeah they certainly are a well built engine and lasts well if looked after
@@alan4x
Are regular oil changes the best thing you can do to prevent dissaster?
@@bokibo87 every 10k mls /15k km oil changes are normal if you want to keep this engine running for life.
Hi Alan another excellent video again as always and it’s very interesting well done
thanks ben😊
Years ago my Dad kept driving his van after the oil light came on, probably a week or so until the engine seized, it got so hot it welded one of the shells to a con rod!
*Wow what a huge views in just some days. It is always hard for me to have this kind of numbers. But ok, you have always a content so nothing to question. Great tutorial and great vid Bruce Willis. Take care always you two lovebirds and thumbs up. Full view.*
hello my friend, hope all is good with you, thank you for the comment, appreciate it😀maybe see you soon in a live stream, god bless🙃
Thirty three 8mm - nightmare. They really make it difficult on modern engines. Harley Davidson vids worth watching as they make them hard to work on and wrong! Great video Thanks Alan :-)
Totally agree
Hello Alan,
thank you very much for your videos, they are informative and well entertaining !
did you randomly pulled pistons of this ford/psa t7cl engine out ? or do you know do the pistons have teflon coating on it ?
Thank you very much
I'm looking this on Sunday, i can definitely tell you in Hungary, this engine would go to work on Monday if the shop had the spare parts needed to bodge repair it. Low mileage from an old lady, clean service records.
I've commented as i've watched this ,i've been out of the trade for a long time and i'm amazed at the plastic parts i.e sump and tensioners and other parts are these cheap to replace .
Multi layer head gaskets work great when there is dissimilar metals like aluminum heads on a cast iron block. They allow for different expansion rates without blowing a head gasket
Thanks for the info!
The headgaskets on that engine are all different depending on the tolerance of the machining. I work at Ford and built them for over 5 years
Very similar design to my Alfa 159 2.0 16v jtdm engine, same piston design, cams join by chain but run off belt, same rockers and tappets too.
And as said not really designed to take head off.
Good video
Love it Alan, keep up the video m8
cheers plumbc007😊
200000 miles before mechanical engine failure is still impressive engine looked in decent condition except for the oil pump not many expensive German cars get that far
Had several bmws with close to 500k....these mondog oil burners are good but there Achilles heel is fuel pumps and injectors!
My 53 plate Astra 1.7DTI is on 242k miles and still going strong on it's original engine (I've jinxed it now) :-P
@@matthewsedin8148 No Thanks
yes i am well impressed with these engines, well built😊
@@matthewsedin8148 serviced correctly using genuine parts and avoiding supermarket fuel I've got over 200k out of injectors fuel pump and egr valve, even on a mk3 mondeo tdci
Alan have you ever filmed a timing belt replacement on a 2010 focus 1.6 tdci , cheers Graham
a mobile mechanic fitted a 2nd hand 2L diesel in my sons mk5 golf. new oil etc, started, and seized on tickover! One big end shell was dry.
Not sure if this is the right place to ask a question but does this engine have a drain plug somewhere in the block to drain the coolant? I’ve got the one with bi-turbo (207 bhp) and want to flush the whole system.
Really interesting.Thanks Alan.
cheers phil
Is that the 140 hp version? I have a 2 litre diesel 163 hp in my 2014 s max, would like to know if that is the same engine 🤔
Is this the same motor that is in my C5 Citroen 2.2 Diesel .?
Love videos, keep them coming.. longer the better I think.. does the boss man mind u making the videos or does he said as free advertising
how many miles?
apologies if I missed it in the video.
Had the oil pump chain fail on a vag 1.4TDI . Was ticking when i drove it to skoda.
They snapped it in the garage, during assessment. Didn't seize due to oil flow , but the chain was in bits.
Naturally no good will from them. sold as non runner.
Have a 1.6 Tdci focus, 180k wonder if the clock is ticking.
Always thought the 2l tdci bullet proof.
Thankfully engine blow-ups are very rare these days, unlike thirty or forty years ago, but of course they still happen. The complexity of modern engines makes a write-off quite likely in terms of uneconomic repair. Car only worth a few grand and garage labour costs for several days work plus expensive parts means you might as well scrap the vehicle. All a bit different to when I worked on cars in the 70s and you could get a full or short rebuilt Ford or BMC engine for a fraction of the value of the car and you could usually get the job done in a day sometimes two at the most. Labour nowhere near as high as it is now - £80 to £150+ per hour depending where you go - independant or main dealer. Nice video, enjoyed it very much.
thank you sir
Is this much different to the older 2.2, they use the 2.2 in the ford custom van for the 1st couple of years, many have blown up no 3 piston, some people say its a software issue some say its down to an injector problem,, had my software update so hopefully be ok
Yeah oil pump locked up and broke the chain and the body of the pump but how did it break the chain twice?🤔
Thanks for posting loved watching that, just glad I don't have to take a head of one 🙈😂😂😂
what is code po2e2 diesel intake air flow a control circuit low is a brake in the wiring or a sensor.cheers bob
Thanks Alan. So it was the oil pump vanes with their increasing rocking motion gradually beginning to act as a wedge. I may have this likely hood on my Mk 4 !?.
The crack in the oil pump housing will cause the pump to suck air, losing oil pressure (that's on the Peugeot Boxer).
another great video Alan
cheers robert😊
I had to watch this from behind the sofa!!
When the oil light comes on it can be covered with a sandwich packet or similar 😂🤣😂🤣
lmao😂🤣
@@alan4x i’ve got a ford kuga 2.0tdci with a rattling type sound would that be turbo or the cam chain tensioner?
where did the missing parts from the tensioner go
Hi Alan, great videos,
I have mk5 , 2015 2.0 tdci 150 hp,
Im looking for inner left right drive shaft,
Can you suggest dealer as you buy on previous videos?
Riste Andov
Hi Alan! could you please provide me with partnumber for the piston rings or tell me where I can find them? thanks
How many miles on the engine ?
Did the guide block the oil feed and sized the engine
Need help with my 2.0 180ps 171000.. I know its done a few mile now but its been in for repair over 4 times now. 1st time it striped teeth on belt and bust rockers on exhaust side got it repaired and run 1400 mile till it went again but the other times I've had it done I'm only get 50 t 300 mile before breaking again but always breaking the same rockers bearing in mind all timing is still set and new belt is fine new cams and rockers etc and the fuel pump is lined up gone by most of your advice on video on how to time it perfect and all other issues... also when the car did run from buying it its had a hesitation when I'm accelerating from 3rd gear up yet 1st and 2nd feel.. so dunno if u have any other advice you could give pal
Very interesting Alan thanks 👍👍
thank you chris
are all mk5 Mondeo diesels PSA like mk4 Mondeo? What is difference between mk4 and mk5 Mondeo diesels?
Hi is this the first dpf in the car?
Have you ever known the auxiliary belt ne a bit noisy on the 2013 2 0 tdci Engine?
Aren't those oil pumps from the Peugeot vans the same ones as in the later Mk4 Mondeos? They look very similar if not
Thanks a lot for the great video!
thanks bormisha
Just or your info the dome in the piston is the PCC pre combustion chamber as it is direct injection, older diesel engines with indirect injection had PCC built into the head.
thanks stuart
How long has it taken you to build such knowledge on these diesel mondeos
I was hoping you would do an autopsy thanks.
Is it a starfighter nearby your garage?
Hi can you do some work on my Volvo 2.0 diesel 136?
Wow!I could be wrong but why driver kept the engine running as I believe there was the oil pressure light on after the oil pump chain snapped off.?!!!!
some drivers are just dumbasses😂🤣
What is this engine t7.., t8... or t9..?
There is something very satisfying about finding the fault that caused the problem. What I hate though is the fact you had to do so much dis-assembly to get to that point, so it's obviously not a service item that you would do every couple of years etc
You are funny thanks for the video keep the videos coming
A very complicated engine even it is only 4 cyl engine. . Is it possibly in any way to convert a modern petrol engine to an old style carburettor version, without any of the electronic stuff.
That's one of those two stage pumps, there should be a sprung mechanism that pushes the impeller housing off centre to increase the displacement at higher revs. The VAG diesel in my car uses a similar setup with a high rpm mode that kicks in at 3k. By the looks of the wear on the vanes that pump was called to run in the high rev mode quite frequently lol.
your right about the oil pump sprung mechanism..i sure that car was well thrashed also🤣
@@alan4xHi Alan. Did you do any preventive oil pump swaps on the dw10 engines in the Peugeot expert vans? I have an Smax with the dw10 and I suspect there is a bearing noise from the oil pump. The chain is pretty loose also.
@@f.j.1942 hi. We had a number of 2012 Peugeot expert vans. We ended up replacing all the oil pumps as we had a few of the pumps develop a crack and lock up causing engine to seize. The oil pump chain is supposed to be loose btw
@@alan4x thanks for clearing that up. I have about 2cm of movement in total of the chain. Reason is i am searching for a deep frequency noise at around 2000 rpm, which i suspect is a chain. I already changed the cam chain, slider and tensioner. It also has a squeal when pulling from low rpm. No leaks anywhere. Has done aux belt and timing belt and all hardware, also the dmf, clutch and alternator. Also cleaned intake for soot. Changed the hydro engine mount as it was shot.
I had a straight 6 lorry engine lock up on one big eng journal.Locked up on tick over....
ok so 2 questions. apart from the ancillaries, how much different is the basic engine from that fitted to the mk4?
second, have you had any experience with the more modern 1.5 diesels? and if so are they not a little short on power/torque for the Mondeo?
the mk5 2l engine looks very similar to the mk4 2l diesel but there are significant differences..cylinder head design and injector placement etc. i avoid the 1.5 diesel..it is definitely underpowered compared to the 2l and prone to head gasket issues
Hi, a question: where is The Intake manifold? Is possibile The clean it? A lot of thanks
your best getting a qualified mechanic to carry out that job
do you know channels like this with another models like Peugeot and Mercedes ?
Got a question for you Alan, have you come across a 2 litre diesel starts from cold but doesn't start from hot? With no warning lights on the dash.
no not yet
I don't know if you do enough glass to be worth the cost. But the equalizer extractor is like a sawzall with a putty knife on the end and cuts most windshields out in well under a minute.
thanks i will look into that, i don't do many and usually cheese wire and a cutting knife do but occasionally i get a difficult one, cheers
The pump was fine. The chain and sprocket were worn out. Look at the oil pump drive sprocket, the teeth are sharp, because they are worn. The chain tried to climb one extra tooth, and didn't make it. Viola. Chain no stretch, just breaks. Jams, and no oil pressure for long enough to take out that main bearing that looked chewed. IMO.
tom
Hi, I got a challenge for you. I own the same engine just in a volvo S40 2009 2.0D 130hp
I am loosing coolant without smoke or leaks real quick if the turbo is working properly.
What I did is I disconnect BOOST PRESSURE CONTROL VALVE vacuum line causing the engine didto lose a ton of power as turbo does not kick in as hard but the coolant is then only lost at tiny amounts - can do like a thousand or more miles before I need like 500ml,
Head gasket kaput or some other issue? Sealer liquids did not help.
The Timing Chain would oscillate violently at certain Speeds....as it had no tensioner/damper..it would eventually shake itself apart
BMC used Hydraulic Dampers 60 years ago..the damper was deployed by a ram filled by the oil Pump.have never seen one of those Chains fail.
You never did find that plastic guider from the top of the engine
Superb video Alan. Really interesting to see how clean that engine was inside given the mileage. There’s a lot to be said for regular oil changes.
cheers qwenty😊yeah a diesel engine that is looked after should last well and these peugeot engines are pretty well built
Smokes, lets go hahaha what an elite reference!!
🤪
Thank you
The metal filter on the turbo pipe should be removed as if that clogs up it will destroy the turbo due to lack of oil (only the oil filter should be doing the filtering as that's replaceable every 5-12k miles )
I'd say..
High mileage caused obvious wear to pump chain guide, chains then caught, an that equaled the snap an sieze, cracking the oil pump mount in the process due to basically an instant hydolock effect be it from chain locking it all up, or sheer forces involved at locking point.
Oil pressure weren't gonna it, those guides were gonna get there first lol.
Had more slack than a hookers door handle that motor, inevitable sadly by looks of it.
Brilliant vlogs as always 🍻
thanks for that explanation..i do have to wonder whether the pump mount broke due to the pump locking momentarily ..thanks e83😊
@@alan4x
Your the man when it comes to these Mills...
My observations are based from working with other, older, chain driven engines. But to me it looks that way, doesn't look 'smashed' it's cracked which I'd tend to think meant a momentary impact, like a hydro lock, instant crack, but engine stopped before wrecking took place...
Fascinating though, its like mechanical CSI 👌
Brilliant content though, can't wait to see what's up your sleeve next 👍👍
Hi Alan, how do you keep track of where each bolt goes when stripping a head down? Sam
Either a cardboard cut out draw a rough graph or your head and the bolt holes, stick the old ones in there as you remove and then for extras split them up into little plastic pots with labels. That works well for me!
@@ashleyburnett134 thank you I'll try them out
ashley answered that well..also having space to lay things out in order helps..where someone else isn't going to disturb it
Alan Howatt yeah also laying them out in order I tend to do that when I do clutches, put them in order under the ramp for the bottom bolts and the scuttle panel for the top bolts works a treat
I love to watch your video
cheers
I like the Diesel engines from the 30's to the 60's ! So much better to work on.The metal was solid and did not flap-about either. Gardner,AEC,Dennis,Ford,Cummins,Caterpillar,Kumatsu,TEREX twostroke's,Avelingbarford's had nice motors can't remember what they had but probably Rolls Royce ? Long time ago.The Russian stuff had decent motors but the qualaty of the copper pipes and such like was very poor.Burmeister Wayne ships motors were fantastic good quality wonder what they are like today?Even the little Petter Diesels were super ! ROOTS made Twostroke Diesels with their own made SUPERCHARGERS (They weren't Turbo they were like SHORRECKS haveing a twin worm screw system also very good too ! So much more but my memory fails me at the moment.OH! Leyland Diesels were nice to work on and ran very well,bedfords were good but drivers abused them a lot and gave them a poorer reputation but with care were good.Scammel and Thornycroft had a mix of motors some had Gardners and these used no washers but had split pins on the mains and Big end Bolts !!!!!!!! Lovely motors.England should be proud to have built such wonderfull Engines OF course Burmeister are Danish and also wonderfull engine makers.OH! Well! BE BLESSED,Thought I'd Let you know that England made the best at one time and could again for sure make the best. P.S. Don't forget PERKINS DIESELS they also made fantastic outboard motors for boats ! YES it's true and were super good too.
I love your Mondeo channel.
Is it anyway to review the Mondeo 1.6 tdci .
This engine it's very popular and used on lots of different cars..
Cheers
we don't have any 1.6 diesels but if we do i will certainly go over them
Ok cheers..
And 1.5 tdci, looking forward to see any detailed review about reliability and quality etc
Not at all a boring video. Top work like always. Is the engine oil always this dark in diesel engines?
cheers marinus..diesel engine oil gets worked harder than oil in petrol engines and does get black..the oil in this engine was cold but i would say a bit thicker and black than i would have liked to seen..it probably was due for an oil change
Hi Alan, how much labour it takes to do that job engine in???? Thanks
A lot lol
Alan Howatt hahahaahhahaa because it took a lot i thought i was slow 😁😁
How many temperature sensors are on this engine . I know there's 1 at the thermostat housing but is there another 1 on the head or block ?
the only coolant temp sensor is the one in the thermostat housing
@@alan4x ok thanks 👍
Great, interesting Video Alan, just for our information, how often do you service these engines and what oil do you use ? Thanks again for the all the work you put into these Videos
hi martin....we use the ford 0w/30 oil.supplied by ford for those engines...we replace the oil every 15k miles, which as they are taxis is usually about every 3 months
@@alan4x Thanks Alan, I also use 0/30 fully synth oil and change it at 12K, scares the hell out of me seeing the cost of even a minor repair on these modern cars. It's a good job they are generally very reliable compared to 40 years ago !
@@alan4xHi Alan, sorry for replying to a 3yr old comment...
I run 5w40 in my DW10s (BTED4 Euro 4) but they're in Peugeots. I've never liked the idea of a 30 in any high compression turbo engines, especially diesels. Turns to piss pretty quickly and I find it highlights any wear points in the engine.
It would be interesting to do an experiment where you run just one of these on 5w40 and see if certain components hold up better. The timing chain guides for one would hold up much better imo, as they seem to be a common wear point.
I will add that I also run Liqui Moly MoS2 additive in every engine I own, but I get there's a difference in personal vehicles and your examples being used as a taxi (warranty and not wanting extra expenses).
@@19jacobob93hi. If that works for you then great. I can’t experiment with one of the taxis here as I have left the job now but all the best to you.
@@alan4x Forgot you were in the Philippines now! Hope all is going well mate
Hi have you come across engine code p2599-00 turbocharger boost control position sensor “A” performance stick - high. On a mk5 15 plate?
no not yet
What other social media platforms do you use allan?
none, just youtube
How often you change oil in those engines?
every 15k miles
Puma engine will keep going with no pump working for quite a while . We'll that's progress keep safe
ALAN on a scale of 1 to 10 how reliable is this engine as I have it in my Peugeot 3008 ??
the engine itself is very reliable and well built..8 out of ten...problem is all the bits bolted to it..egr valve and thermostat housing are not so good
Alan Howatt cheers for the reply buddy
why didnt the engine shut off or go into a significant derate if it completely lost oil pressure?
the engine would have been in low power mode...the engine won't switch off altogether or the driver would have no control
An oil pressuure gauge on dash will show more than just indicator lamp.
Exactly why I like having an oil pressure gauge in my 2003 2.7 diesel jeep grand cherokee wj just passed 182000 miles, good to see great oil pressure on its engine. I change the oil and filter every 8000 miles, have done since I bought it on 142000 miles. Fuel filter changed in that time too.
these cars will flash a message on the instrument pack...(low oil pressure) and put the engine into low power mode..but its all upto the driver from that point🤣
With the wear on the chain tensioner guides (and broken spring on another one if memory serves correctly from a previous vid) and the oil pump you have to suspect a design life of maybe 300k km (186k miles ) ? So basically if you want to take the engine over 200k miles- as was mentioned for this one- then said items have to be considered consumables but do costs stack up? Probably cheaper swapping in another engine.
the top cam chain tensioners are becoming a worry..not had this on any of our mk4 2l engines with much higher mileage....the problem is in order to replace that tensioner involves a lot of time and would be a very expensive job..probably including all parts like new chain ...cam belt kit and gaskets etc would be around or above £1000
@@alan4x Thanks Alan, it did occur to me after posting just how much work would be involved when I thought on your other vids covering the Mk5 engine. As for trying to sell £1k of "preventative" maintenance to taxi drivers....esp when they keep driving even with engines rattling their fillings out !
I find 5w40 oil and 6k mile service intervals goes along way to prevent wear like that. 6k miles is way too expensive and inconvenient in a taxi though!