@@romankotas448 no he didn't. Dune 2024 communicates how people are willing to risk their lives in the name of an idol - showcasing how said idols are great at mob control & instilling a sense of "cause". the viewer can hear Chalamet's speech, and feel, "Damn, if I were Fremen, I CERTAINLY would join the Mahdi's army". Charisma is important for any tyrant.
You know if it's possible to get people all across the world in 1984 to watch the Denis Villeneuve's adaptations of Dune Part One & Two and Dune Messiah in special one-off theatres (fitted with the current IMAX projection tech and Dolby Atmos audio standard), they would probably be having a very similar violent reaction as French audiences in the past did when they first saw the Igor Stravinsky's debut of his then-radical ballet and orchestral work The Rite of Spring.
@@footlicker6585when are elitists like you going to learn that movie taste is subjective, and that a common opinion does not make it a wrong one. Who cares man, if people like a movie let them like the movie.
@@anitagorse9204 And those feelings were perfectly channeled by Chani who kept hoping Paul wouldn't fall for that prophecy crap. Oh well, the known universe is doomed now. I have a suspicion the third movie, and it seems like there will be one now, will open with exposition telling us how 60 billion people have been killed because of the Fremen's holy war.
@@VinayakPande53 Yep, that's why I'm rooting for Chani now; everybody else has gone insane in their lust for power and revenge. Poor, poor Chani... Jessica, Gurney, Stilgar de facto turning into villans, willing to slaughter billions of people with no remorse. The third movie is already confirmed, but it will take several years to actually come to the theatres.
timothee chalamet has a surprisingly good screaming voice. like it doesn't sound forced at all. it's just the right amount of aggressive and commanding.
you should hear him in his 2019 film called ‘the king’! he gives another bone chilling speech there and it’s actually what made denis sure he’d make a great paul!
At first I thought it was somebody else's voice they were using. But damn was I surprised upon realising that it is own voice. Way different from his normal tone
The original had some Shakespirian and romantic vibe which gives some charm to this movie, while the new is more agressive, gritty and grounded. The first one acts like a coach with Jesus Christ complex who just concludes his hero's journey. While the second acts like a potential and relentless Ditactor willing to send his enemies to ''Paradise''
Yes and no. Remember: Paul now has perfect prescience - he can see not just the genetic memory (e.g. the past) of all of his ancestors, but he can also now see the future. Rather, he can see "all possible futures," and knows what possible path(s) to take to achieve the best possible outcome at any given time. Essentially, it becomes effectively impossible for him to fail (at least, for now). While not named yet, this "best possible future" is called The Golden Path. This also means that while some of Paul's followers may (or, more probably, will) die, their deaths are not in vain, but are rather part of the most-optimum solution for The Golden Path.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849religion has always been deeply even pathologically political. For a long time it had a huge effect on swaying government policy decisions.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 religion is always about control, thats why people created "god", so that they can use the concept as a means of control over people
@@souryadas5027 I wouldn’t say it’s his Harkonnen blood taking over. More that Paul is heading down the pathway of war and oppression of the known universe in a similar fashion to the Harkonnens on Arrakis. But each of our interpretations is valid as the movie doesn’t explicitly tell us these things, which is what makes it so damn good!
My dad loves the old version so much that id watch it with him and he'd read me the books cause its his favorite book but when he went to go see the new movies both part 1&2 he said I quote "When I read the books this is what i imagined and is phenomenal, the 80s were fun but compared to the new with even the minor changes it still spectacular". Denis really outdid himself 9/10.
84 version - was ok. Not dark enough, no humour, strayed too far from the books whilst trying to convey everything in the books. 00 version- probably truest to the books, but let’s be blunt, almost cheesy and low budget, but it is watchable if you love the book. 24 version…. Despite the changes and lack of explanation - it feels like what Herbert tried to do - and does it perfectly. I can live with the tweaks. There is no question, Villeneuves vision is by far the best. Although, I do lament that the spacing guild are absent.
@@briandickie7264 I think if villeneuve tried explaining the spacing guild to newbies trying to get into the lore and just casuals they'd either feel it's too much "yapping" and would get bored or the movie would be more than 2 hours cause he'd have to explain every little detail which ultimately goes back over explaining and lose the watchers attention. Majority of people don't know what dune is or about so they have to leave out some things to focus on others so the movie goer can have a great time on a world wide bases.
1948 feels more like a conclusion of a typical hero journey. A young prince finally found his kingdom. I struggle to see myself in the crowd of fanatical Fremen because for me this Paul reminds me of any other politician In comparison 2024 feels more sinister. Paul uses everything he has to make Fremen follow his. He reminds them that he's a duke, he call himself a saviour, he switches to using their language to suggest he is one of them. He's a charismatic religious figure and I understand why so many people want to believe he is special
Thing is... he IS special. Though in the second movie they don't really remind viewers. He has the training of the best warriors in the universe. He has Bene Gesserit training, which itself is a superpower. And he was trained as a Mentat by one of the best Mentats in the universe, which is not even mentioned in the movies, and is itself another superpower. And let's not forget he can see thousands of years into the past and the future! This is what I love about Dune! The prophecy was manufactured, but it was also real in a way. It was more a promise than a prophecy
@@RafaMuntean Not like a promise. The prophecy was manufactured by the Bene Gesserit in attempt to take the power of Arrakis and usurp the fremen, but the right person at the right time broke all their plans, used all their preparations and have led the fremen out the miserable life.
@@RafaMuntean to usurp the fremen and their spice. And the Kwizatz Haderach they've produced not only abandoned them, but joined the fremen and used their manufactured plan in his and fremen benefit
I don't remember the original book all that well, but the Villeneuve films were way better at nailing the overall feel of Paul's ascension. Yes, he's the hero of his own story, but he had to manipulate an entire race into becoming a death cult in order to win. It's as horrifying as it is compelling, and the newer movies nailed that feeling.
They were manipulayed from the beginning. Paul merely fulfilled the prophecy which was prepared for him. The kwizatz haderach and lisan al gaib are two different things. The lisan al giab is the prophecy prepared for the lisan al gaib to take over arrakis easily. The kwizatz haderach is the intended result of the bene gesserits breeding program which would make a very powerful human. Paul IS the kwiztaz haderach and he BECOMES the lisan al gaib. In the book paul mentions that at some point the jihad becomes inevitable and theres nothing he can do to stop it. I think the movie gets that across through pulls sudden shift from fear of the prophecy to fully committing to it to the point where it shocks jessica. The jihad is still his fault tho because he couldve just lived among the fremen but he insisted on getting revenge on the harkonnens and the best way he could do that is become the fremen leader. He forsaw the disaster this would cause but by then it was already too late. Thats my interpretation at least.
Even the first book didn't convey the message as clearly, which made Frank Herbert to write Dune Messiah, to explain that you really shouldn't cheer for Paul.
There are tons of differences between the book and Villeneuve's movies. But I feel he was incredibly faithful to the tone and tale of Dune, over being nailed down on the details.
@@samhunt6300 when he literally is trained from birth to be the perfect leader it does come off like Mary sue ngl Paul's teachers include The Mentat master of assassin Thufir Hawat Duncan Idaho arguably the best swordsman the galaxy has ever known And Gurney Hallec veteran warrior poet
The clear difference between the two (apart from the obvious difference in technology, I mean 40 years have passed) is that '84 Paul looked like he was in control of his emotions while 2024 Paul was totally deranged, fell into his own fundamentalist fervor, he's really what the Bene Gesserit feared the most
I don’t know why people defend lynch by saying he had budget constraints or whatever issues internally or because back then the technology wasn’t advance enough to create scenes like the current dune and many other excuses. The main issue was his art direction and whatever he was trying to do to represent dune. It was made to look like some romanticised soap opera. The Denis version set the tone of it being realistically minimalistic, dark and gritty, the cinematography emphasise a lot on the scale and setting also. Take a good look at old movies which set the standard for its remakes. 1982 blade runner is a freaking good example. The tone setting and scale sets the standard. The 2049 one followed in its footsteps.
Youre full of it. I'm certain your eyes are brown. You didn't want watch ANY of his interviews. Look them up rn. He was INCREDIBLY hurt w the movie he produced. He wanted so much more for the movie, but he couldn't do it... cuz it was never HIS film. Go on. Watch the interviews. It's been 40 years now. That movie hurts him to this day. "If you can't make the movie the way you want. Don't make the movie at all" his words.
@larapaulyn1488 "hE's DeAd!!!!" francesca annis was quite beautiful and did a decent job but rebecca ferguson just blew her out of the water (in both looks and performance)
funny how people just claim they would never fall for something like this and why anybody would... I grew up in a 3rd world country in a poor neighborhood... religion and family were the core pillars. Imagine if you grew up with nothing no access to education, starving, no internet other devices with access to it. faith and elderly teachings only...
Great video. Unfair to compare Lynch to Villeneuve, as they come from such different cinematic schools but I'll say this for young Timothée; he sure knows how to give a damn speech!! (Hal also rocked it in 'King' :)... Gratitude!
The first film feels very much like a standard hero's journey, but the new one honestly makes me terrified seeing how quickly the minds of the masses can be swayed to do a single person's bidding, EVEN WHILE KNOWING that all these prophecies were Bene Gesserit implants from hundreds of years ago. There are so many emotions running through scenes.
I fully agree, but I didn't feel an impression of Power in the original back when I watched it, it just felt like a speech, the new one felt like an actual cry to arms to the souls of everyone in the room
1984: Paul's a hero, and he's gonna lead some cool martial artists to the final fight. Cool video game. 2024: I'm genuinely frightened of Paul and the Fremen because this is hitting home WAY too hard. Fuck.
They romantesized the Harkonnen ( brilliantly ) in the new movies, but robbed the atreides of the air of mysticism the former version had... " a sleeper must awaken " Not to say old Harkonnes weren't disturbing at times, but somehow the new harkonnes vs the old atreides would have made the picture complete... But this is personal taste thing.
@@marcosrecio4062he meant acting =acting because damn the 84 was acted so badly that I hope it was just the standard acceptable way of acting back then. I mean in this video alone 84 says “dune.arrakis.desert planet” no emotion no nuance. Even the long live the fighters was just straight faced delivery but also overacted like what…
@@marcosrecio4062 if you watch Timothee's performance and get only yelling, you have failed to recognize a tremendous performance. The whole physicality of the man changes after taking the water of life. Nothing said or done to tell us that, just his raw change in vocal tones and body language.
@@marcosrecio4062 It isn't. Anyone who is saying the 84 version has bad acting, isn't really familiar with science fiction's B grade stature back then , or the more physical and melodramatic acting of the late 70s and early 80s. It seems poor acting in hindsight, but it was good-ish for its time. Vivian Leigh as Scarlet O Hara looks extremely melodramatic and overacted now, but it's also a product of its time
The second version seems way better at getting its point across. Paul is not a hero. He knows how bad the future will be if he sticks to the path laid before him after drinking the water of life, yet he pursues it anyway, turning his friends into followers. The fanaticism really adds to it too, feels all the more sinister.
It seems you missed the second layer tho: he does that because he has seen many futures and this is more or less the only way for him and the Fremen to survive at this point.
I disagree w the replies here. In the book, Jessica remarks how he only slightly accentuates his speech through the Voice. I think when he says “..to green paradise” and “long live the fighters”, Villeneuve was likely intentional with the slight distort we hear. It was probably the slight use of the Voice being depicted.
Let's not sugarcoat it, guys. Dune 1984 might be a fun movie, in a guilty-pleasure sort of way, but it's not a good adaptation. Like, at all. Characters turned into parodies of themselves. Weird, grotesque visuals that are less expansions on the story and more just David Lynch being... well, David Lynch. Needless alterations like those "weirding modules". And finally, a complete misunderstanding of Dune's core themes: The dangers of fanaticism and imperialism, and a warning against charismatic leaders. Yes, Denis's film changes some things here and there. But it adapts Frank Herbert's themes, and the epic scope of his work, in a way the 1984 film never did.
@@ArcherMVMasteryup. David lynch regret it so much. Too many factor made him can't bring The Dune that he wanted to make in screen, and the final result had made him so sad
Dennis took 6 hours to tell a quarter of the book, with mostly plain visuals (large empty rooms, barely any colors other than brown or grey) and chopping a bunch of characters that went nowhere. At least 84' got to tell most of the story and had more interesting visuals.
Part 2 was great but still a lot Lynch and Herbert’s Dune superior. Especially how Lynch managed to get some of the greatest actors of that generation and Kyle who also was a Herbert Superfan that impressed Frank Herbert is still underrated extraordinary actor
1984 es un discurso con un tono mas de la realeza y político, en la del 2024 es mas tintes de demagogia con un cierto autoritarismo bañado por un fervor religioso, casi divino
Her problem is that Paul repeatedly told her that he didn't believe in the prophecy and that it's made up by the bene gesserit to control the people. As you can see he's using the prophecies to control the fremen and become their ruler. Granted she'll eventually follow him but just imagine the love of your life brain washing your friends and family after telling you they wouldn't, would you be upset?
@@aarenlacerna2694 But shouldn't her assumption of WHY he's using the prophecy be that he must have realized this is the best way for the Fremen to get their freedom? It's not reasonable to think that he all of a sudden became a power-hungry warlord who simply wants to "control the fremen and be their ruler".
@@abstractdaddy1384 Remember Paul JUST betrayed everything he said to her, Chani's reaction is a reasonable response. It's like if your spouse went behind your back and fucked a rich person for billions of dollars and came back to you with the money, your trust in that person would be shattered and you'd probably be pissed off even if the outcome benefits you. Also, Paul literally takes control of the Fremen and becomes their ruler in this scene by saying he's their messiah, even when he told Chani multiple times that he wouldn't do it that because the prophecies are fake. How you gonna assume the person has your best interests at heart when they go behind your back and betray everything they said they wouldn't do.
@@abstractdaddy1384The why doesn't matter. As she said. The prophecy regardless of the intention behind it's use would enslave the Fremen to a religious dogma. Which it does by the end. And now the Fremen will never truly be free. Chani can see that. This is the point the movie makes. And this is the point that Frank Herbert makes in his books too. That Paul's manipulation of the Fremen was not justified. Even for the cause he was going for.
The original ending doesn’t have the stakes or gravitas that part 2 did. It just kinda ends in a way that I think Frank thought was much more impactful than it actually was. The movie kinda has an ending like The Second Foundation by Isaac Asimov after the Mule reveals himself and I like that better
If you draw parallel with islam, mohammed had concerns over fanatacism and him becoming a demigod idol when after he passed away. He made sure nobody made his statue and paintings to prevent that.
He was partially successful, in that for the most part the Muslims avoided depicting him. A few images exist, like medieval Persian miniatures, largely showing Muhammad with his face veiled. Even more rare are those which show his face completely; such is the strength of the prohibition. Having said that, some Muslims have found ways to circumvent this prohibition. The most notable example is the Ottoman Turkish ḥilya, in which a written description (often in beautiful calligraphy) of Muhammad’s appearance is framed on walls as decorations. Leave it to humans to know how to sneak around things…
Ya cuz that totally worked. Its not like islam is the most fanatical religion in modern history. Second only to Catholicism in total history (which also gets criticized by dune imo).
@@zydarking and it's useless since only happened hundreds of years after prophet Muhammad's death. At this age no one can says specifically how his face is. A depicted picture is just a useless attempt with no proof
@@zulhilmi5787 I'd say it was over a thousand years after his lifetime. But yes, it is useless but also shows the lengths people will go to. The visual depiction was/is prohibited, but there is no prohibition on the written depiction. If the intent was to prevent Muslims from venerating Muhammad in a manner which could lead to Shirk, then this arguably is a halfway step. What would be the difference between someone placing a ḥilya in their home, hung on the wall in a place of honour, when compared to (say) Christians placing the supposed images of Jesus on their walls?
Dune 2024's version can't possibly blow the original out of the water any harder, the impact and cool factor is like comparing a butter knife to a machete.
That scene of him infiltrating the terrorists is gold. They talk about him being a master of disguise unable to be scene through, then hard cut to him with bad makeup and pubes glued to his face. All he says is “Durka Durka” and him wildly waving his arms as the “signal” that he’s in trouble, are all great gags.
@@akbarindo8976 many factors play a part on why some people feel the old dune is better than the new dune. Most of the reasons are honestly pretty darn childish and immature, for example these stupid reasons: 1) I read the book and seen the OG dune. You new people and modern movie are nothing compared to me. 2) Denis changed a little bit of the novel, so I completely condemn the new Dune. 3) I don’t like Timothy or Chani. Therefor this movie sucks 4) Oh the movie have generally lots of positive reviews? Well I’m different.. I like to be different because I’m sigma. Thus I say this movie is overrated and it sucks. I hope people see me as a cool unique person.
@tiernanrea1726 The Fremen are literally Zensunni meaning a religious combination of Buddhism and Islam. The Mahdi is also a very real teaching in Islam.
Chani frowning like a petulant child is just weird. They really ruined her. Yeah her role was minimal in the book but at least she isn't an insane lunatic whose viewpoint makes no sense.
1:39 Reminds me of when Achilles led the Murmadons and took the beach of Troy, then climbed the cliff post-battoe and lifted his sword to the crowd of Greek warriors at the on the beach
@@marcosrecio4062 I remember how disappointed I was seeing the 1984 version on release. I'd read the book three times as a teen before the film came out, and even with Frank Herbert helping with the script, it was a disappointment. Better than nothing, and there were saving graces, like the sets, costumes, and the overall look of the characters. But god, was the overacting ridiculous. Most of the actors were better than that, and seeing them in other films proves it, much like a lot of the crap acting by good actors in the Star Wars prequels. Just because you love the story doesn't make it okay to put on rose-colored glasses about the 84 version.
Because Paul fell in love with her when he wasn't a Duke/Emperor. He fell in love with her when he was just a Fremen. And it's not like you can simply turn a switch and not be in love with someone once you're in a higher position. Also Paul has enough self awareness to realize that Chani is angry at him for a very justifiable reason. He knows he's the one who is obviously in the wrong.
@@chance1774 wasn't Jessica the name of the actress from the last 2 dunes?( I find her unpleasant looking for personal reasons ) I was thinking of that stupid face covering , notice how the nose is always protruding out of it in very comical fashion? Not to mention her mother, whose nose is squished inside the fisherman's net she wears on her face in the scene with Paul and the box 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@cl759But the purpose of 2024 is this, it's not for you to think it's cool that she uses that... she's not from the Fremen culture and she's using something from their culture. she was smarter in those Denis films than in the old one and in the books
@@joeyabuki9996 all I can tell her& her mo r the bad guys so they made them look stupid with those costumes🤣 but than again, I didn't watch any of the movies, read the novel when everyone else did(when the lynch movie came out) but don't remember a thing; tried to read it again in 2020 but found it boring, couldn't even bear to take it out of the library
@@Nefilimnostra The final fight scene! That's awesome when he shouts and rips the Harkonnen's chest open and the ground he is lying on as punctuation mark. It's great storytelling. The new Dune's final fight scene is so anticlimactic and full of itself. Yeah we get the architecture is epic the lighting moody, etc. but it's style over substance. In the history of fight scenes, it barely rates a mention. I've seen better fight scenes in B Grade movies.
@@Mcdonaldrod75 i just saw the fight from the old movie, and i have to say that is really bad to be honest, the acting, the fight choreography, but maybe you like more because you saw it in theaters and you have good memories from that time, not trying to be disrespectful
@@Nefilimnostra Horses for courses. I think the ending is cool. In the new one they don't have the voice weapons, which I think are a bit unique. Glad you enjoyed the new knife fight!
I mean, she met a dude who she worried was trying to enslave her people, he said he wouldn't enslave her people for a little while and she smiled, he then immediately enslaved her people... it's not like much has happened that would require a different expression in the storyline. So far she's literally only gotten bad things happening lol
I love Timothee but I can’t take his commanding voice and ability to demand a crowd seriously. Looks like a skinny kid and sounds like he’s trying to make his voice deeper. Excellent actor, but I just didn’t buy every scene.
Safe for Chani's dog face and shitty stare, the new Dune movies are almost perfect. And if they made one movie instead of splitting it in two parts it would have been perfect in my eyes.
Dune 1984 : European church
Dune 2024 : Arab war camp
@@montyi8 not in Poland :)
@@Wisnia_Well the Poles have all gone to England to squat on street corners
@@cometmoon4485 or to defend poor British people during the II WW. Just like 303 Squadron and thanks to that, you still have streets.
Which is why Dune '24 hits where Dune '84 misses.
@@Wisnia_poles are useless :)
Dune 1984: Eh
Dune 2024: I am ready to die in a holy war for the Lisan al-Gaib
You missed the point
@@romankotas448 no he didn't. Dune 2024 communicates how people are willing to risk their lives in the name of an idol - showcasing how said idols are great at mob control & instilling a sense of "cause". the viewer can hear Chalamet's speech, and feel, "Damn, if I were Fremen, I CERTAINLY would join the Mahdi's army". Charisma is important for any tyrant.
@@romankotas448 I see the point... Blah blah warning about religion...blah blah Paul isn't a hero.
Yeah I know, still would die in a Space Jihad tho.
@@vond5829 ok then your just a boring fuck without much imagination to speak of
@@romankotas448 nooooooo paul is a heckin false prophet you cant just wanna die in the jihad for the lisan al gaib
Timothee Chalamet just stepped up in every way in Part Two.
Happy he wasn’t gay in this like he was in Wonka
@@crashtv5145he was gay in wonka? I’ve never seen it lol
@@thanksdad9514 no just acted gay
@@crashtv5145what 😂
@@crashtv5145 A character named "Willy Wonka" behaving flamboyantly?? What is the world coming to??????
First one : Little goosebumps.
Second one : when the language turns : Damn full shivering goosebumps.
You know if it's possible to get people all across the world in 1984 to watch the Denis Villeneuve's adaptations of Dune Part One & Two and Dune Messiah in special one-off theatres (fitted with the current IMAX projection tech and Dolby Atmos audio standard), they would probably be having a very similar violent reaction as French audiences in the past did when they first saw the Igor Stravinsky's debut of his then-radical ballet and orchestral work The Rite of Spring.
@@footlicker6585when are elitists like you going to learn that movie taste is subjective, and that a common opinion does not make it a wrong one. Who cares man, if people like a movie let them like the movie.
@@footlicker6585 More like your opinion you can keep it on your own, nobody's forcing you.
Thanx Mr. Footlicker. Right back at ya...and your mama.
@@footlicker6585nostalgia blindness, first one sounded like a high school play in comparison
That's hardcore fanaticism in the second clip.
Yep. 84 version it's like they're simply cheering for a cool guy, while 24 they're praising a messiah.
@@jmwhiting Nicely said. Saw it last night on IMAX. My god, it was a majestic cinema experience
Ikr...when we were watching the movie at the cinema, sighs of despair could be heard, like oh no, he has turned to the dark side.
@@anitagorse9204 And those feelings were perfectly channeled by Chani who kept hoping Paul wouldn't fall for that prophecy crap. Oh well, the known universe is doomed now. I have a suspicion the third movie, and it seems like there will be one now, will open with exposition telling us how 60 billion people have been killed because of the Fremen's holy war.
@@VinayakPande53 Yep, that's why I'm rooting for Chani now; everybody else has gone insane in their lust for power and revenge. Poor, poor Chani... Jessica, Gurney, Stilgar de facto turning into villans, willing to slaughter billions of people with no remorse. The third movie is already confirmed, but it will take several years to actually come to the theatres.
timothee chalamet has a surprisingly good screaming voice. like it doesn't sound forced at all. it's just the right amount of aggressive and commanding.
you should hear him in his 2019 film called ‘the king’! he gives another bone chilling speech there and it’s actually what made denis sure he’d make a great paul!
At first I thought it was somebody else's voice they were using.
But damn was I surprised upon realising that it is own voice.
Way different from his normal tone
The original had some Shakespirian and romantic vibe which gives some charm to this movie, while the new is more agressive, gritty and grounded.
The first one acts like a coach with Jesus Christ complex who just concludes his hero's journey.
While the second acts like a potential and relentless Ditactor willing to send his enemies to ''Paradise''
Yes and no. Remember: Paul now has perfect prescience - he can see not just the genetic memory (e.g. the past) of all of his ancestors, but he can also now see the future. Rather, he can see "all possible futures," and knows what possible path(s) to take to achieve the best possible outcome at any given time. Essentially, it becomes effectively impossible for him to fail (at least, for now). While not named yet, this "best possible future" is called The Golden Path. This also means that while some of Paul's followers may (or, more probably, will) die, their deaths are not in vain, but are rather part of the most-optimum solution for The Golden Path.
@@bigmike-if only I can could look that much ahead when it comes to trading stocks 😂
@@KLK01pl,kyu
@@KLK01a golden path indeed
Bullshit. Imagine if Villenueve Dune came out first and Lynch's Dune came out later, everyone would say Lynch's Dune is utter shit.
The original feels more like a political movement. The second one feels very religious
It's only pseudo-religious as it's still veru much political in its core
Times have changed and with them, interpretation of the old stories...
Both can be true
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849religion has always been deeply even pathologically political. For a long time it had a huge effect on swaying government policy decisions.
@@yevgeniyaleshchenko849 religion is always about control, thats why people created "god", so that they can use the concept as a means of control over people
Anyone else notice how, in the new movie, when he steps outside, its Harkonen music playing in the soundtrack, not Fremen or even Atreides?
Yeah... goes well since it shows its his Harkonnen blood taking over now.
That is cinema. Show and not tell. Even with sound scape there so much a director can tell without so much exposition
I hadn’t noticed!! Thank you
@@souryadas5027 I wouldn’t say it’s his Harkonnen blood taking over. More that Paul is heading down the pathway of war and oppression of the known universe in a similar fashion to the Harkonnens on Arrakis. But each of our interpretations is valid as the movie doesn’t explicitly tell us these things, which is what makes it so damn good!
@@ggroombr True, in this universe "Harkonnen blood taking over" means something totally different
First : cool
Second : MAAAHDIIIII 😭😭😭
My dad loves the old version so much that id watch it with him and he'd read me the books cause its his favorite book but when he went to go see the new movies both part 1&2 he said I quote "When I read the books this is what i imagined and is phenomenal, the 80s were fun but compared to the new with even the minor changes it still spectacular". Denis really outdid himself 9/10.
Yup, this is my opinion too
The new movies are what the book feels like
84 version - was ok. Not dark enough, no humour, strayed too far from the books whilst trying to convey everything in the books.
00 version- probably truest to the books, but let’s be blunt, almost cheesy and low budget, but it is watchable if you love the book.
24 version…. Despite the changes and lack of explanation - it feels like what Herbert tried to do - and does it perfectly. I can live with the tweaks.
There is no question, Villeneuves vision is by far the best. Although, I do lament that the spacing guild are absent.
@@briandickie7264 I think if villeneuve tried explaining the spacing guild to newbies trying to get into the lore and just casuals they'd either feel it's too much "yapping" and would get bored or the movie would be more than 2 hours cause he'd have to explain every little detail which ultimately goes back over explaining and lose the watchers attention. Majority of people don't know what dune is or about so they have to leave out some things to focus on others so the movie goer can have a great time on a world wide bases.
The use of the fremen language makes a huge difference imo
1948 feels more like a conclusion of a typical hero journey. A young prince finally found his kingdom. I struggle to see myself in the crowd of fanatical Fremen because for me this Paul reminds me of any other politician
In comparison 2024 feels more sinister. Paul uses everything he has to make Fremen follow his. He reminds them that he's a duke, he call himself a saviour, he switches to using their language to suggest he is one of them. He's a charismatic religious figure and I understand why so many people want to believe he is special
Thing is... he IS special. Though in the second movie they don't really remind viewers. He has the training of the best warriors in the universe. He has Bene Gesserit training, which itself is a superpower. And he was trained as a Mentat by one of the best Mentats in the universe, which is not even mentioned in the movies, and is itself another superpower. And let's not forget he can see thousands of years into the past and the future!
This is what I love about Dune! The prophecy was manufactured, but it was also real in a way. It was more a promise than a prophecy
@@RafaMunteanThis!! I find myself believing in the prophecy, since the powers Paul has, and the promises he will keep like up with it?
@@RafaMuntean Not like a promise. The prophecy was manufactured by the Bene Gesserit in attempt to take the power of Arrakis and usurp the fremen, but the right person at the right time broke all their plans, used all their preparations and have led the fremen out the miserable life.
@@pontus1420 It was manufactured, but the Bene Gesserit we're actively working to produce the Kwizatz Paddlewack...
@@RafaMuntean to usurp the fremen and their spice. And the Kwizatz Haderach they've produced not only abandoned them, but joined the fremen and used their manufactured plan in his and fremen benefit
I don't remember the original book all that well, but the Villeneuve films were way better at nailing the overall feel of Paul's ascension. Yes, he's the hero of his own story, but he had to manipulate an entire race into becoming a death cult in order to win. It's as horrifying as it is compelling, and the newer movies nailed that feeling.
They were manipulayed from the beginning. Paul merely fulfilled the prophecy which was prepared for him. The kwizatz haderach and lisan al gaib are two different things. The lisan al giab is the prophecy prepared for the lisan al gaib to take over arrakis easily. The kwizatz haderach is the intended result of the bene gesserits breeding program which would make a very powerful human. Paul IS the kwiztaz haderach and he BECOMES the lisan al gaib.
In the book paul mentions that at some point the jihad becomes inevitable and theres nothing he can do to stop it. I think the movie gets that across through pulls sudden shift from fear of the prophecy to fully committing to it to the point where it shocks jessica. The jihad is still his fault tho because he couldve just lived among the fremen but he insisted on getting revenge on the harkonnens and the best way he could do that is become the fremen leader. He forsaw the disaster this would cause but by then it was already too late. Thats my interpretation at least.
Even the first book didn't convey the message as clearly, which made Frank Herbert to write Dune Messiah, to explain that you really shouldn't cheer for Paul.
There are tons of differences between the book and Villeneuve's movies. But I feel he was incredibly faithful to the tone and tale of Dune, over being nailed down on the details.
The Original one actually feels like Royalty/Way More Regal than Tim’s Paul. Like he was bred and born to Rule while Tim’s paul had to earn it.
Original felt like Paul is a Mary sue
@@samhunt6300they literally have all the same plot points, successes, and failures
Tim's Paul is also bred and born to rule, but he had to earn it bc his grandpa took it away from him.
@@larapaulyn1488 that literally happens in the 1984 movie as well
@@samhunt6300 when he literally is trained from birth to be the perfect leader it does come off like Mary sue ngl
Paul's teachers include
The Mentat master of assassin Thufir Hawat
Duncan Idaho arguably the best swordsman the galaxy has ever known
And Gurney Hallec veteran warrior poet
That second scene was so good tone-wise I swear I didn’t even feel like that while reading the original scene in the book…
"My name is Paul Muad'dib Atreides, duke of arrakis. Eru di dina heshi lani ne lissan al gaib,
Rui di menaluk ashidim!"
Addaam reshi a-zaanta!
0:14 - "Arrakis......Dune......Desert planet....."
.......MY DESERT........MY ARRAKIS........MY DUNE!!
- Baron Big Daddy Vladdy.
To the people calling Dennis' version fanatic, it is fanatic.
Wait till you find put how unhinged they can actually get. This is nothing.
And then Paul got frozen in a vault ad released 200 years later to become a vault overseer.
The clear difference between the two (apart from the obvious difference in technology, I mean 40 years have passed) is that '84 Paul looked like he was in control of his emotions while 2024 Paul was totally deranged, fell into his own fundamentalist fervor, he's really what the Bene Gesserit feared the most
Paul being deranged or "out of control" is basically denying the whole movie. he couldnt be more in control of everything.
I don’t know why people defend lynch by saying he had budget constraints or whatever issues internally or because back then the technology wasn’t advance enough to create scenes like the current dune and many other excuses.
The main issue was his art direction and whatever he was trying to do to represent dune. It was made to look like some romanticised soap opera.
The Denis version set the tone of it being realistically minimalistic, dark and gritty, the cinematography emphasise a lot on the scale and setting also.
Take a good look at old movies which set the standard for its remakes. 1982 blade runner is a freaking good example. The tone setting and scale sets the standard. The 2049 one followed in its footsteps.
Noone has to defend Lynch lol
Youre full of it. I'm certain your eyes are brown. You didn't want watch ANY of his interviews. Look them up rn. He was INCREDIBLY hurt w the movie he produced. He wanted so much more for the movie, but he couldn't do it... cuz it was never HIS film.
Go on. Watch the interviews. It's been 40 years now. That movie hurts him to this day. "If you can't make the movie the way you want. Don't make the movie at all" his words.
1984 version felt like a parody at this point
the "oH mY gOd" in the thopter scene always gets me
Careful you're gonna anger the nostalgia blinded ones
It always was.
The 1984 version IS a parody, Paul was a hero there
@larapaulyn1488 "hE's DeAd!!!!"
francesca annis was quite beautiful and did a decent job but rebecca ferguson just blew her out of the water (in both looks and performance)
funny how people just claim they would never fall for something like this and why anybody would... I grew up in a 3rd world country in a poor neighborhood... religion and family were the core pillars.
Imagine if you grew up with nothing no access to education, starving, no internet other devices with access to it. faith and elderly teachings only...
I thought he was the Lisan al gaib while i watched the movie
The 1984 version lost me at heart plugs, voice guns....and the perfect hair cuts.
Don't forget they make Baron so disgusting
@@radithramadhan8488 The baron is supposed to be disgusting
@@marcosrecio4062but not comically disgusting. Because 84 baron hd no sense of danger coming off him. Just looked like a man child with acne
And don't forget the movie stalling every time we hear those voice overs.
@@radithramadhan8488nah that’s how he was in the book but less silly than in that version
Great video. Unfair to compare Lynch to Villeneuve, as they come from such different cinematic schools but I'll say this for young Timothée; he sure knows how to give a damn speech!! (Hal also rocked it in 'King' :)... Gratitude!
The first film feels very much like a standard hero's journey, but the new one honestly makes me terrified seeing how quickly the minds of the masses can be swayed to do a single person's bidding, EVEN WHILE KNOWING that all these prophecies were Bene Gesserit implants from hundreds of years ago. There are so many emotions running through scenes.
The second one is better because you can feel Paul is the villain now
Paul isnt a villain or hero. He is what you would call an anti hero. Atleast thats what frank perceived him as in the books.
It’s actually mainly because of writing, delivery and that it’s in a different language.
Timothée really stepped up his game in part 2
It’s very rare that we get a movie that is objectively better in almost every way to the one that came before but we have it here
The first was a hero's speech. The second was a villains speech.
Yea 🎉
1984's speech made me fall asleep...
2024 speech: Gimme the damn knives!!!
how old are you ?
@@elisabetracingWhy do you feel so offended by this that you have to resort to low level ad hominems? Are you that insecure?
I think each style has it's own value. Speaking softy and in a measured way, can often be more powerful than a delivery that is loud and emphatic.
You speak softly to a hall of thousands of people and it isn’t getting past the 3rd row.
I fully agree, but I didn't feel an impression of Power in the original back when I watched it, it just felt like a speech, the new one felt like an actual cry to arms to the souls of everyone in the room
Timothée’s voice is something special too how it gets so deep when he yells whereas most people’s gets high when they yell
Nah, first one didnt made me feel anything but the second one made my blood boil. So much passion and power in his speech
You don't make people willing to die in a holy war by speaking softly and in a measured way.
1984: Paul's a hero, and he's gonna lead some cool martial artists to the final fight. Cool video game.
2024: I'm genuinely frightened of Paul and the Fremen because this is hitting home WAY too hard. Fuck.
Paul Atreides in Dune part one: 😕
Paul Atreides in Dune part two: 😠
Worm piss is a hell of a drug
Honestly having the epic hype man is the reason the second won
They romantesized the Harkonnen ( brilliantly ) in the new movies, but robbed the atreides of the air of mysticism the former version had... " a sleeper must awaken "
Not to say old Harkonnes weren't disturbing at times, but somehow the new harkonnes vs the old atreides would have made the picture complete... But this is personal taste thing.
But i love how house of atreides portrayal in 2024 dune works
Its a shame that you cut the video right before one of the best shots in the history of cinema.
Lynch Paul: "let's talk better mileage"
Villeneuve Paul: "kill em all"
which message do you think will resonate with Fremen
Timothy had a career defying performance with dune part 2. Best movie I’ve seen In The last decade.
I agree that the 2024 Dune speech was better but that abyss line from 1984 goes hard af
The acting and conviction in the 1984 version just feels like it’s filled with wooden actors devoid of emotion. 🤷🏼♂️
I bet you think yelling=acting?
@@marcosrecio4062he meant acting =acting because damn the 84 was acted so badly that I hope it was just the standard acceptable way of acting back then. I mean in this video alone 84 says “dune.arrakis.desert planet” no emotion no nuance. Even the long live the fighters was just straight faced delivery but also overacted like what…
@@marcosrecio4062 if you watch Timothee's performance and get only yelling, you have failed to recognize a tremendous performance. The whole physicality of the man changes after taking the water of life. Nothing said or done to tell us that, just his raw change in vocal tones and body language.
@@dipu94321 the same way can be use d for the 84 version,just because he's not yelling doesn't mean is wooden or bad acting.
@@marcosrecio4062 It isn't. Anyone who is saying the 84 version has bad acting, isn't really familiar with science fiction's B grade stature back then , or the more physical and melodramatic acting of the late 70s and early 80s.
It seems poor acting in hindsight, but it was good-ish for its time.
Vivian Leigh as Scarlet O Hara looks extremely melodramatic and overacted now, but it's also a product of its time
The second version seems way better at getting its point across. Paul is not a hero. He knows how bad the future will be if he sticks to the path laid before him after drinking the water of life, yet he pursues it anyway, turning his friends into followers. The fanaticism really adds to it too, feels all the more sinister.
It seems you missed the second layer tho: he does that because he has seen many futures and this is more or less the only way for him and the Fremen to survive at this point.
I gotta say..
I like the still suit design from 1984 over 2024.
Did he use the Voice in the last clip?
No, you can tell when they use the Voice in the new movies, it's unworldly.
He’s doing something to project his voice, but it’s not THE voice.
The Voice sounds very demonic in the new movies, if he used it you would know immediately.
I think they just edited his voice to make it powerful.
I disagree w the replies here. In the book, Jessica remarks how he only slightly accentuates his speech through the Voice. I think when he says “..to green paradise” and “long live the fighters”, Villeneuve was likely intentional with the slight distort we hear. It was probably the slight use of the Voice being depicted.
The second one definitely does a better job of capturing the start of a Jihad
One thing i know is that chani is KJ .. hahaha
Anyone else hear villain music in the second one?
the original was more Shakespearian
the new - blood pumping, I'm ready to follow him into the depths of hell.
The original had this cool Catholic/Orthodox vibe. The priests with their censors… If it wasn’t sci if it would look like a monastery.
I love how they captured the sheer size of the Fremen society and particularly the council in part 2
Let's not sugarcoat it, guys.
Dune 1984 might be a fun movie, in a guilty-pleasure sort of way, but it's not a good adaptation.
Like, at all.
Characters turned into parodies of themselves.
Weird, grotesque visuals that are less expansions on the story and more just David Lynch being... well, David Lynch.
Needless alterations like those "weirding modules".
And finally, a complete misunderstanding of Dune's core themes:
The dangers of fanaticism and imperialism, and a warning against charismatic leaders.
Yes, Denis's film changes some things here and there.
But it adapts Frank Herbert's themes, and the epic scope of his work, in a way the 1984 film never did.
I'm sorry, but there is no way that you can say the new movie is somehow more epic in scope.
@@derek96720it is though
I saw a clip where the director of the old movie expressing regret on how bad the movie turned out to be. He didn't like what he made.
@@ArcherMVMasteryup. David lynch regret it so much. Too many factor made him can't bring The Dune that he wanted to make in screen, and the final result had made him so sad
Dennis took 6 hours to tell a quarter of the book, with mostly plain visuals (large empty rooms, barely any colors other than brown or grey) and chopping a bunch of characters that went nowhere. At least 84' got to tell most of the story and had more interesting visuals.
Part 2 was great but still a lot Lynch and Herbert’s Dune superior. Especially how Lynch managed to get some of the greatest actors of that generation and Kyle who also was a Herbert Superfan that impressed Frank Herbert is still underrated extraordinary actor
I don’t agree but I will say Kyle’s version of Paul was very impressive
Copium
1984 es un discurso con un tono mas de la realeza y político, en la del 2024 es mas tintes de demagogia con un cierto autoritarismo bañado por un fervor religioso, casi divino
I don't think David Lynch quite got it down
FUN FACT: Denis Villeneuve said he probably would have not done DUNE without Timothée Chalamet as Paul
Souka..
Syfy version I'll lead, pls trust me
With those costumes?? Yikes.
Pillar of Base of the Pillar is a weird name
I know that Usul on its own means “Base of the pillar,” but adding the “Pillar of” makes the name sound better. I understand though lol
It’s a Bible reference
Que venha a guerra Santa
The set design in 1984 is so underrated
Can someone explain to me what Chani's problem is? What does she want Paul to do instead?
Her problem is that Paul repeatedly told her that he didn't believe in the prophecy and that it's made up by the bene gesserit to control the people. As you can see he's using the prophecies to control the fremen and become their ruler. Granted she'll eventually follow him but just imagine the love of your life brain washing your friends and family after telling you they wouldn't, would you be upset?
@@aarenlacerna2694
But shouldn't her assumption of WHY he's using the prophecy be that he must have realized this is the best way for the Fremen to get their freedom?
It's not reasonable to think that he all of a sudden became a power-hungry warlord who simply wants to "control the fremen and be their ruler".
@@abstractdaddy1384 Remember Paul JUST betrayed everything he said to her, Chani's reaction is a reasonable response. It's like if your spouse went behind your back and fucked a rich person for billions of dollars and came back to you with the money, your trust in that person would be shattered and you'd probably be pissed off even if the outcome benefits you. Also, Paul literally takes control of the Fremen and becomes their ruler in this scene by saying he's their messiah, even when he told Chani multiple times that he wouldn't do it that because the prophecies are fake. How you gonna assume the person has your best interests at heart when they go behind your back and betray everything they said they wouldn't do.
@@abstractdaddy1384The why doesn't matter.
As she said. The prophecy regardless of the intention behind it's use would enslave the Fremen to a religious dogma.
Which it does by the end. And now the Fremen will never truly be free. Chani can see that.
This is the point the movie makes. And this is the point that Frank Herbert makes in his books too.
That Paul's manipulation of the Fremen was not justified. Even for the cause he was going for.
not start a holy war? lol
I would've liked this (2024) Movie Better, had they kept the lines from The Book at The End. Instead, we just got, "Silence!"
The original ending doesn’t have the stakes or gravitas that part 2 did. It just kinda ends in a way that I think Frank thought was much more impactful than it actually was. The movie kinda has an ending like The Second Foundation by Isaac Asimov after the Mule reveals himself and I like that better
@@romankotas448 I have no idea what you are talking about. 😐
@@DavidMyrmidon I’m too high to remember honestly
Watching Chani in the latest version… you can feel her pain. 😞
you dont compare shit with masterpiece sitting top 20 best movies of all time
which is which
Yea, the 84 version is a porn parody of a comparison. I liked it when I first watched it, now I almost hate it.
People who believe old Dune was better are on some serious level of denial
And spice
Wow the 80s Dune is cheesy as fuck 😂
If you draw parallel with islam, mohammed had concerns over fanatacism and him becoming a demigod idol when after he passed away. He made sure nobody made his statue and paintings to prevent that.
He was partially successful, in that for the most part the Muslims avoided depicting him.
A few images exist, like medieval Persian miniatures, largely showing Muhammad with his face veiled. Even more rare are those which show his face completely; such is the strength of the prohibition.
Having said that, some Muslims have found ways to circumvent this prohibition. The most notable example is the Ottoman Turkish ḥilya, in which a written description (often in beautiful calligraphy) of Muhammad’s appearance is framed on walls as decorations. Leave it to humans to know how to sneak around things…
Ya cuz that totally worked. Its not like islam is the most fanatical religion in modern history. Second only to Catholicism in total history (which also gets criticized by dune imo).
@@zydarking and it's useless since only happened hundreds of years after prophet Muhammad's death. At this age no one can says specifically how his face is. A depicted picture is just a useless attempt with no proof
Not really sure how that worked out, I've been in a Muslim country where people would curse at God himself but never at the prophet.
@@zulhilmi5787 I'd say it was over a thousand years after his lifetime. But yes, it is useless but also shows the lengths people will go to.
The visual depiction was/is prohibited, but there is no prohibition on the written depiction. If the intent was to prevent Muslims from venerating Muhammad in a manner which could lead to Shirk, then this arguably is a halfway step. What would be the difference between someone placing a ḥilya in their home, hung on the wall in a place of honour, when compared to (say) Christians placing the supposed images of Jesus on their walls?
Dune 2024's version can't possibly blow the original out of the water any harder, the impact and cool factor is like comparing a butter knife to a machete.
The 84 version is still my preferred version. That long live the fighters is too epic man.
Nah, that shit sounded like a plank of wood.
Muad dib say: Durka Durka - Jihad Jihad
(anybody seen Team America?)
That scene of him infiltrating the terrorists is gold. They talk about him being a master of disguise unable to be scene through, then hard cut to him with bad makeup and pubes glued to his face. All he says is “Durka Durka” and him wildly waving his arms as the “signal” that he’s in trouble, are all great gags.
Dune 1984 sucked ass LMAO
i still don't understand how people can say it's better than the new dune
It was just different time. D. Lynch have had many problems, number one how to cram everything into a single movie.
@@akbarindo8976 many factors play a part on why some people feel the old dune is better than the new dune. Most of the reasons are honestly pretty darn childish and immature, for example these stupid reasons:
1) I read the book and seen the OG dune. You new people and modern movie are nothing compared to me.
2) Denis changed a little bit of the novel, so I completely condemn the new Dune.
3) I don’t like Timothy or Chani. Therefor this movie sucks
4) Oh the movie have generally lots of positive reviews? Well I’m different.. I like to be different because I’m sigma. Thus I say this movie is overrated and it sucks. I hope people see me as a cool unique person.
@@akbarindo8976it’s pretty terrible no offense but I mean it was so bad that David Lynch disowned it.
Its so bad its good
1984: Catholic church
2024: Islam
Dune is meant to be a mix of Catholicism and Islam.. one of the fictional holy books is the "Orange Catholic Bible".
@@tiernanrea1726the Bene Gesserit have been definitely influenced by the Catholic Church.
@tiernanrea1726 The Fremen are literally Zensunni meaning a religious combination of Buddhism and Islam. The Mahdi is also a very real teaching in Islam.
@@astrosherlock374 Also Bene Gesserit=Jesuit, Gesserit/Jesuit doesn't fall far from the tree.
Why should the people of Dune bow down to an emperor whose only exploiting their planet
Because of religious fanaticism, that's why.
The actig is soooo bad in these old movies...
The David Lynch's version musical score still takes the prize and adds quite a lot of depth to the scene.
The only good thing
Lmaooooooooo
Kind of
It's like Zendaya has one expression in this movie.
Chani frowning like a petulant child is just weird. They really ruined her. Yeah her role was minimal in the book but at least she isn't an insane lunatic whose viewpoint makes no sense.
Jowy is the better Atreides
Why does Paul in the second version sound so unconvincing when he yells? Sounds like a kid trying to bluff somebody lol
That’s exactly the point
1:39 Reminds me of when Achilles led the Murmadons and took the beach of Troy, then climbed the cliff post-battoe and lifted his sword to the crowd of Greek warriors at the on the beach
Doesn't it seem like Chani is untrusting and angry at him all the time? Why would a Duke or Emperor want that as a wife/concubine/partner??
Ask Dennis, he missed that on the book along with half of the other things in it.
@@marcosrecio4062 All things considered, it was still a better adaptation than the 1984 version
@@arnoldfernbladst3875 Not really
@@marcosrecio4062 I remember how disappointed I was seeing the 1984 version on release. I'd read the book three times as a teen before the film came out, and even with Frank Herbert helping with the script, it was a disappointment. Better than nothing, and there were saving graces, like the sets, costumes, and the overall look of the characters. But god, was the overacting ridiculous. Most of the actors were better than that, and seeing them in other films proves it, much like a lot of the crap acting by good actors in the Star Wars prequels. Just because you love the story doesn't make it okay to put on rose-colored glasses about the 84 version.
Because Paul fell in love with her when he wasn't a Duke/Emperor.
He fell in love with her when he was just a Fremen.
And it's not like you can simply turn a switch and not be in love with someone once you're in a higher position.
Also Paul has enough self awareness to realize that Chani is angry at him for a very justifiable reason.
He knows he's the one who is obviously in the wrong.
Please delete the 1984 version from the record books. That sh# was trash .. tf 🙄
At least in the first one Paul's mother didn't look stupid, Chalamet alone can't make me watch that crap 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣😃🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
really? jessica didn’t look stupid to you in ‘84? with her forehead doubled in size? PLEASE.
@@chance1774 wasn't Jessica the name of the actress from the last 2 dunes?( I find her unpleasant looking for personal reasons ) I was thinking of that stupid face covering , notice how the nose is always protruding out of it in very comical fashion? Not to mention her mother, whose nose is squished inside the fisherman's net she wears on her face in the scene with Paul and the box 🤣🤣🤣🤣🤣
@@cl759But the purpose of 2024 is this, it's not for you to think it's cool that she uses that... she's not from the Fremen culture and she's using something from their culture. she was smarter in those Denis films than in the old one and in the books
@@joeyabuki9996 all I can tell her& her mo r the bad guys so they made them look stupid with those costumes🤣
but than again, I didn't watch any of the movies, read the novel when everyone else did(when the lynch movie came out) but don't remember a thing; tried to read it again in 2020 but found it boring, couldn't even bear to take it out of the library
Lynch did it better
Nha
No he not...ya'll tryng too hard😂
Honestly, I prefer the old one.
Why??
@@Nefilimnostra The final fight scene! That's awesome when he shouts and rips the Harkonnen's chest open and the ground he is lying on as punctuation mark. It's great storytelling. The new Dune's final fight scene is so anticlimactic and full of itself. Yeah we get the architecture is epic the lighting moody, etc. but it's style over substance. In the history of fight scenes, it barely rates a mention. I've seen better fight scenes in B Grade movies.
@@Mcdonaldrod75 i just saw the fight from the old movie, and i have to say that is really bad to be honest, the acting, the fight choreography, but maybe you like more because you saw it in theaters and you have good memories from that time, not trying to be disrespectful
@@Nefilimnostra Horses for courses. I think the ending is cool. In the new one they don't have the voice weapons, which I think are a bit unique. Glad you enjoyed the new knife fight!
@@Nefilimnostra Maybe you like the new more because you saw it in theaters with all the sound effects?
Zendaya is the worst part of the new Dune. She has the same expression in all the scenes
I'm sure she chose to make all those expressions herself, probably overruled the director and screenwriter to put them in, huh?
@@rikk319 she has the exact same reaction in all the new spiderman movies. She just can't act
@@neveryflinglas6348Expressions are not everything in acting
@@neveryflinglas6348 I can always tell when people are pretending to be Marvel fans when I see comments like this.
I mean, she met a dude who she worried was trying to enslave her people, he said he wouldn't enslave her people for a little while and she smiled, he then immediately enslaved her people... it's not like much has happened that would require a different expression in the storyline. So far she's literally only gotten bad things happening lol
1984 was better, because it wasn't copied word for word and scene for scene from Game of Thrones...
Lynch fans lost common sense because of nostalgia. You all try be different to hard
I don't know where you saw that it was a copy of the book 2024...
I love Timothee but I can’t take his commanding voice and ability to demand a crowd seriously. Looks like a skinny kid and sounds like he’s trying to make his voice deeper. Excellent actor, but I just didn’t buy every scene.
Bro is a black bear pretending to be a human “eh bigger person. Must be dominant”
I bought it.
I can
i did buy it
I bought it, and if I could buy it again, I’d buy it even more.
New one hits you with the cringe.
Only to children and edgelord teenagers bankrupt of critical thinking.
Zendaya whole role on this film was to scowl and stare intensely
Safe for Chani's dog face and shitty stare, the new Dune movies are almost perfect.
And if they made one movie instead of splitting it in two parts it would have been perfect in my eyes.
How would you get the whole Dune story in one movie?
@@EamonKelly Not the whole story. Just the first book.
@@texeltexel2009 That's what I said. How are you gonna get the whole essence of the first book into one movie?