Just started with my Napoleonic army’s after getting the Waterloo set for Black Powder I painted the French and my brother did the British so these videos really helped us out on what to purchase for are armies.
Hello Tim, another excellent video here and thank you for it. Actualy lets update it for some info. As from 1812+ Grenadiers was not taken away from combat battalions to form converged grenadier battalions. Converged grenadiers are grenadier battalions formed from grenadier companies of replacement battalions. The result is the same - you can use grenadier heads to do a converged grenadier battalion. But do not forgett to paint 1/3 of the minis with black belts representing grenadiers from jager battalion. Now There are 96 infantry and 32 pavlovsk (total of 128 line infantry figures). So you stay with spare 8 infantrymen, but all of the 1812 Infantry gets extra heads. So you can realy be creative. If you include 4 or 5 commands, you have another 20 miniatures spare which are substituted in regiments by the new command. So you are easily able to do: 1 battalion of Pavlovsk Grenadiers - 20 figures + extra command 5 infantry/jager/converged grenadiers/grenadier battalions - 5*20figures + 5 extra commands and still have extra 8 figures. The officer on horse can be used as Colonel or Major as command figure in battalion (another 2 figures free) just because the Officers in command are NOT colonels (but thats realy a minor issue - the epaulets are for ober-officers and not stab-officers). Actualy if you left Pavlovsk heads for later, you have six battalions in it, where division is 12 battalions (+2 converged grenadier for 1812 if you like) . Very clever by Warlord.
The Commander on horse is stab-officer so its Colonel at maximum. Some brigades has been lead by colonels, though mostly jagers. Again a minor issue for starter army :-D.
Another very fine presentation mate. Since I'm just getting to the point that I can put on a good sized, peninsula skirmish, I'm not sure I'll get around to scraps with the Russians in this life time. Still it was all very interesting regarding their uniforms, the various grenadiers and the opportunity for conversions and all. Speaking of conversions, have you had a look at the new plastic box of Austrian Cavalry? The kit offers enough torsos and heads to do either Light Cav., Dragoons or Cuerassiers. I'm pretty sure you could convert the Light Cav. or the Dragoons into the Rusky categorization with a simple paint job. Some, like the Cuerassiers would require a bit of green stuff work, mostly just altering the cock's comb a bit. Thanks for being a great promoter of our hobby and historian of this historical period.
Thanks man, that's a lovely thing to read. Yeah the Austrian cav have certainly opened up opportunities. I'd love one day for heads to be available separately, not sure how economically viable it would be though
Worth noting the Russian reserve system by 1812. Each regiment had three battalions. 1st and 3rd were mobilised. 2nd battalion's 1st company (Grenadiers) were also mobilised (formed into converged Grenadier battalions - without heir flags as stated in the video). The Converged Grenadiers were either added in pairs to existing divisions, or formed into new "all grenadier" divisions. The important thing to understand is that the Russians have 2 sorts of Grenadiers. High status regiments, like the Pavlovski, honoured after exceptional service. Reservist converged Grenadiers, the physical cream of your reservists, but not first line in experience or equipment.
You explain everything as if I know nothing about the period and have no idea what I'm doing. This is exactly the video I was looking for to get into napoleonic as I'm all of those things, thank you for a great and informative video!
Just to add: Other scales are available. 10mm from Pendraken (A few light cavalry short) and 6mm form Baccus6mm (very complete) are excellent. Smaller scales allow more figures per unit (the mass look), and generally a lower cost per army. Worth a look.
I wouldn't say, that the figures with the pre-1812 shakos are dressed for the wrong period, as this shako was worn up to 1814 by some units. So it's perfectly fine to use them for the 1812 campaign and the wars of liberation.
I thinks is cheaper buying the Russian infantry box sets, than buying the starter and then the drummer, captain, standard bearer set. I only say it for recommendations
Don't get me wrong I like and own the warlord waterloo box. I just don't care for the cast, not good under cuts big heads and hands. Perry's are more life like.
@@christopherhorner7570 yeah i agree when it comes to the british and French but I've noticed that there russians are far better than there usual casts and in a few way better than the Perry's as in there faces are batter as perry have mold line running through the middle
I bought dozens of Russian sprues when Warlord had a £1 sale a couple of years ago as well as loads of command and artillery packs which were also in a sale. Plus I bought several boxes of Perry, I’ve got over 400 infantry now 😬. Cavalry have been the expense, I bought Front Rank but I do know that Perry are planning to do Russian cavalry in plastic so I’m looking forward to those.
I have a great idea for a plastic cavalry for you. For this free regiment of Cossacks (and a brigade of Cossacks). Bashkirs. You can easily make them with the Mongol kit from Fireforge Games.
I don't know if you get notified on comments on three year old videos but if you do: if I want plastic Russian cuirassiers, can I take Perry's Austrian Napoleonic Cavalry (AN80), build them as cuirassiers and paint them as Russians? From what limited imagery I have been able to find the Austrians and Russians do look very similar...
I [refer 15mm. Lancashire Miniatures do an army pack for around 100 quid! I live in Bulgaria and postage can be expensive, so the less weight ithe better
This video was very useful helped me start my napoleonic Russian army I actually have a video up showcasing my progress if anyone is interested cheers!
I got the 'Perry starter deal' with the Generals and some cuirassiers having so much fun painting them and recently I ordered some Perry artillery, dragoons and more cuirassiers to finish of the unit. On the subject of basing in the generic perry infantry sprue base what's the measurements for the large bases. Plan at some stage getting more russian line
@@NapoleonicWargaming I don't know how you feel about this. But I've painted warhammer, bolt action but painting napoleonic figures everyone of them is an accomplishment
@@15mmGustavus That's awesome man. They sense of accomplishment is really high with Naps. I wouldn't say it's any easier or harder than different periods, but mate, seriously, that's fantastic! I'd like to see some pics. Send then to the FB page!
Zvezda. If you cant get hold of Zvezda, Zvezda. Joking aside, they are superb minis, doing infantry (grenadiers, but you can cut the plumes off to make musketeers) cuirassiers, hussars and Lifeguard cossacks as well as artillery. Secondly I'd go HaT. They do a big box of militia with all the different uniforms from the regions, St Petersburg, Moscow and the Don. There's some great minis out there in 1/72nd For metals check out Newline Design Check out Plastic Soldier Review, if you like 1/72 it's an essential site!
@@NapoleonicWargaming I know, right?! I had intended to wait until after the financial Armageddon which is Xmas, but at that price, and only £2.99 for postage it would have been rude not to. And it doesn't matter to me if it doesn't arrive until after Xmas, so all in all I'm very chuffed. I do blame you, though, for enticing me away from 15mm Naps, but modern plastics are so lovely and cost less than the metal 15s, lol.
Not for me. The helmets are very different, and for me the silhouette of the mini is the important thing. The cuirass is very different too, the russians having a back piece, unlike the Austrians. But that's me personally, its entirely possible to do if youre not too bothered it's a good alternative!
@@NapoleonicWargaming well I was more thinking of using the dragoon option as the horse is very similar and you don't need to replace a fur skin plus you can use the perry heads which should fit
@@NapoleonicWargaming yeah I saw the set come out and at first i thought it was russian and Austrian cav as the uniforms where very similar (not the cuirassiers as you pointed out)
Just started with my Napoleonic army’s after getting the Waterloo set for Black Powder I painted the French and my brother did the British so these videos really helped us out on what to purchase for are armies.
Very detailed and well thought out. Will absolutely follow this series when I get started with my napoleonic minis
Hello Tim, another excellent video here and thank you for it. Actualy lets update it for some info. As from 1812+ Grenadiers was not taken away from combat battalions to form converged grenadier battalions. Converged grenadiers are grenadier battalions formed from grenadier companies of replacement battalions. The result is the same - you can use grenadier heads to do a converged grenadier battalion. But do not forgett to paint 1/3 of the minis with black belts representing grenadiers from jager battalion.
Now There are 96 infantry and 32 pavlovsk (total of 128 line infantry figures). So you stay with spare 8 infantrymen, but all of the 1812 Infantry gets extra heads. So you can realy be creative. If you include 4 or 5 commands, you have another 20 miniatures spare which are substituted in regiments by the new command. So you are easily able to do:
1 battalion of Pavlovsk Grenadiers - 20 figures + extra command
5 infantry/jager/converged grenadiers/grenadier battalions - 5*20figures + 5 extra commands
and still have extra 8 figures. The officer on horse can be used as Colonel or Major as command figure in battalion (another 2 figures free) just because the Officers in command are NOT colonels (but thats realy a minor issue - the epaulets are for ober-officers and not stab-officers).
Actualy if you left Pavlovsk heads for later, you have six battalions in it, where division is 12 battalions (+2 converged grenadier for 1812 if you like) . Very clever by Warlord.
The Commander on horse is stab-officer so its Colonel at maximum. Some brigades has been lead by colonels, though mostly jagers. Again a minor issue for starter army :-D.
As always, thanks for the in depth knowledge!
Another very fine presentation mate. Since I'm just getting to the point that I can put on a good sized, peninsula skirmish, I'm not sure I'll get around to scraps with the Russians in this life time. Still it was all very interesting regarding their uniforms, the various grenadiers and the opportunity for conversions and all. Speaking of conversions, have you had a look at the new plastic box of Austrian Cavalry? The kit offers enough torsos and heads to do either Light Cav., Dragoons or Cuerassiers. I'm pretty sure you could convert the Light Cav. or the Dragoons into the Rusky categorization with a simple paint job. Some, like the Cuerassiers would require a bit of green stuff work, mostly just altering the cock's comb a bit. Thanks for being a great promoter of our hobby and historian of this historical period.
Thanks man, that's a lovely thing to read. Yeah the Austrian cav have certainly opened up opportunities. I'd love one day for heads to be available separately, not sure how economically viable it would be though
Worth noting the Russian reserve system by 1812.
Each regiment had three battalions. 1st and 3rd were mobilised.
2nd battalion's 1st company (Grenadiers) were also mobilised (formed into converged Grenadier battalions - without heir flags as stated in the video).
The Converged Grenadiers were either added in pairs to existing divisions, or formed into new "all grenadier" divisions.
The important thing to understand is that the Russians have 2 sorts of Grenadiers.
High status regiments, like the Pavlovski, honoured after exceptional service.
Reservist converged Grenadiers, the physical cream of your reservists, but not first line in experience or equipment.
You explain everything as if I know nothing about the period and have no idea what I'm doing.
This is exactly the video I was looking for to get into napoleonic as I'm all of those things, thank you for a great and informative video!
I found it useful for the same reason. I have 24 Russian warlord infantry minis and started assembling them last weekend. Love this channel.
Just to add: Other scales are available. 10mm from Pendraken (A few light cavalry short) and 6mm form Baccus6mm (very complete) are excellent.
Smaller scales allow more figures per unit (the mass look), and generally a lower cost per army.
Worth a look.
I wouldn't say, that the figures with the pre-1812 shakos are dressed for the wrong period, as this shako was worn up to 1814 by some units. So it's perfectly fine to use them for the 1812 campaign and the wars of liberation.
Thanks i needed a video like this
Thanks for the post. I'm starting on Russians for Kalisch right now.
I thinks is cheaper buying the Russian infantry box sets, than buying the starter and then the drummer, captain, standard bearer set. I only say it for recommendations
Are you sure Perry isn't a better deal . Infantry boxes include command ,flags and bases.
Well i guess but so does warlord not including bases except they have more flags and in my opinion better figures
Don't get me wrong I like and own the warlord waterloo box. I just don't care for the cast, not good under cuts big heads and hands. Perry's are more life like.
@@christopherhorner7570 yeah i agree when it comes to the british and French but I've noticed that there russians are far better than there usual casts and in a few way better than the Perry's as in there faces are batter as perry have mold line running through the middle
see his statement at 0:40
My favourite Napoleonic army and period (1812 to 1815)
I bought dozens of Russian sprues when Warlord had a £1 sale a couple of years ago as well as loads of command and artillery packs which were also in a sale. Plus I bought several boxes of Perry, I’ve got over 400 infantry now 😬.
Cavalry have been the expense, I bought Front Rank but I do know that Perry are planning to do Russian cavalry in plastic so I’m looking forward to those.
I have a great idea for a plastic cavalry for you. For this free regiment of Cossacks (and a brigade of Cossacks).
Bashkirs.
You can easily make them with the Mongol kit from Fireforge Games.
Interesting and informative video on a fascinating subject, impressive command figures...
Glad you enjoyed it!
I don't know if you get notified on comments on three year old videos but if you do: if I want plastic Russian cuirassiers, can I take Perry's Austrian Napoleonic Cavalry (AN80), build them as cuirassiers and paint them as Russians? From what limited imagery I have been able to find the Austrians and Russians do look very similar...
Thanks for this video! Perfect timing as I'm about to start a Russian force after finishing my British.
Enjoy! They're a really fun army
I [refer 15mm. Lancashire Miniatures do an army pack for around 100 quid! I live in Bulgaria and postage can be expensive, so the less weight ithe better
This vid is 2 uears old at time of watching and the perrys russians mold lines are on the sides and not down the middle
Very interesting video.
Glad you think so!
Instead of bases try cutting white board with a steel ruler , couple of clamps and a carpet knife
Yeah absolutely!
I am building a 15mm Russian army and between this and your Russian Infantry video I now know enough to get started! :)
I get mine from Lancashire miniature's. They are not the best, but they are affordable
This video was very useful helped me start my napoleonic Russian army I actually have a video up showcasing my progress if anyone is interested cheers!
I got the 'Perry starter deal' with the Generals and some cuirassiers having so much fun painting them and recently I ordered some Perry artillery, dragoons and more cuirassiers to finish of the unit.
On the subject of basing in the generic perry infantry sprue base what's the measurements for the large bases. Plan at some stage getting more russian line
I think they are 45mm wide and 40mm deep.
Glad you're having fun dude! Ultimately that's all that's important!
@@NapoleonicWargaming I don't know how you feel about this. But I've painted warhammer, bolt action but painting napoleonic figures everyone of them is an accomplishment
@@15mmGustavus That's awesome man. They sense of accomplishment is really high with Naps. I wouldn't say it's any easier or harder than different periods, but mate, seriously, that's fantastic! I'd like to see some pics. Send then to the FB page!
And that’s how I started my russian army with the warlord box and then bought two guns
It's a great set!
Napoleonic Wargaming and frontrank makes some great Russians as well
What are your recommendations for Napoleonic 1/72 brands
Zvezda. If you cant get hold of Zvezda, Zvezda.
Joking aside, they are superb minis, doing infantry (grenadiers, but you can cut the plumes off to make musketeers) cuirassiers, hussars and Lifeguard cossacks as well as artillery.
Secondly I'd go HaT. They do a big box of militia with all the different uniforms from the regions, St Petersburg, Moscow and the Don. There's some great minis out there in 1/72nd
For metals check out Newline Design
Check out Plastic Soldier Review, if you like 1/72 it's an essential site!
I see a picture of a man with a hand full of cash, I'm nervous.
Haha
By the way, what kind of mitres are in the set - both types?
Yeah, they have the sprues on the WG website
@@NapoleonicWargaming Thank you Interesting the ration is important, as you need about 4 grenadier mitres per regiment at maximum...
Just picked up the Warlord Games Russian starter box for an amazing £49.39 from Zatu Games in Norwich.
That is an insane deal! Well done man!
@@NapoleonicWargaming I know, right?! I had intended to wait until after the financial Armageddon which is Xmas, but at that price, and only £2.99 for postage it would have been rude not to. And it doesn't matter to me if it doesn't arrive until after Xmas, so all in all I'm very chuffed. I do blame you, though, for enticing me away from 15mm Naps, but modern plastics are so lovely and cost less than the metal 15s, lol.
@@martynbrawn76 haha. Yeah, I'd love to see plastic 15s, but not sure we will any time soon!
Maybe Prussian or polish next?
Prussian is finished script wise, just need to record it!
Can you not convert the perry plastic Austrian cav
Not for me. The helmets are very different, and for me the silhouette of the mini is the important thing.
The cuirass is very different too, the russians having a back piece, unlike the Austrians. But that's me personally, its entirely possible to do if youre not too bothered it's a good alternative!
@@NapoleonicWargaming well I was more thinking of using the dragoon option as the horse is very similar and you don't need to replace a fur skin plus you can use the perry heads which should fit
@@paintinghistory1475 yeah. It could work! I've not really looked in detail due to the helmets, but I'll take a closer look!
@@NapoleonicWargaming yeah I saw the set come out and at first i thought it was russian and Austrian cav as the uniforms where very similar (not the cuirassiers as you pointed out)
No, different shabraque, helmets and uniforms. The Hussars can be converted from French hussars with resculpting saddles.
damn you for getting me into this... ooooh my £££ lol
Next time prussians please;-)
They're on the list! I need to work out their bloody formations first! 😂