Blackwater Massacre Explained (Red Dead Redemption 2)
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- Опубліковано 7 бер 2020
- A video uncovering the mystery behind the infamous Blackwater Massacre, which took place just before the events of Red Dead Redemption 2.
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”mac got shot during the heist and killed later by *JIM MILTON* ”
That’s an unexpected typo 😂
Strange Man I think you guys mean Rip Van Winckle
@@DropNation not familiar with any Rip Van Winckles, i am however very familiar with a Rip Van Winkle, looks a lot like this John Marston fella
It’s Andrew Milton. Not Jim.
I was watching it on my ps4 and went to this video on my phone to see if someone else noticed jim milton lmao
I mean, I think it's pretty obvious what happened after you find Dutch's wanted poster in Micah's camp.
He was planning on betraying them since Blackwater, he wanted to get all the money for himself.
He would get the money, and rat out the gang to the Pinkertons, both earning his freedom and getting rid of Dutch.
Only problem is that they hid the Blackwater money, and Micah didn't know where it was, so his plan had to be postponed.
That's why he was so insistent on getting Dutch to tell him where the money was.
He was probably planning to repeat the same thing with the Saint Denis bank robbery, that's why he was the only one wearing white, he probably agreed with Milton to not shoot him and wore white to differentiate himself from the rest.
micah wearing white is a characteristic decision. It's supposed to create some sort of irony since he is a bad guy dressed in white. it's the same reason his hat is white.
@@Pedro_Le_Chef it's irony of a wolf in sheep's clothing. Micah is the wolf and the white suit is the color of sheep
The Saint Denis bank Robbery happened before he was picked up by Milton so I doubt that he cooperated with Milton on this one. He might've been planning on taking the Saint Denis bank money for himself and he probably anonymously alarmed the pinkertons to the area in order to get rid of Dutch.
Rex Imperial I think he was working with law way earlier than what Milton lead on. And the white suite, the wanted poster. Even the gang said mishaps didn’t happen until he was present
I believe that he was also conspiring with Colm O’driscoll to turn Dutch and the gang in as well. The true purpose during the botched truce was only to capture Arthur and to have Micah lead them into a trap to find him, then turning the entire gang in for a reward. The only thing is that Micah didn’t believe Arthur would escape, so he was probably shitting himself the moment he limped back into camp. Colm even told Arthur what the plan was, but he didn’t directly refer to his partnership with Micah when he did. It’s also been speculated that Micah betrayed Colm and was the reason he got caught towards the end of the game. I also believe that the O’driscolls were also tipped off on the Blackwater ferry heist, and were some of those dead in the Massacre, the news article said about 22 total died of combined lawmen and outlaws, its safe to assume that Micah set up the ferry job to get both gangs killed or captured and run off with the money
Finding Micah in that bar was one of the worst mistakes that Dutch could ever make
The opposite actually micah saved his life if he hasn't met him he would have been dead arealdy
The Phoenix having Dutch die early could’ve saved Arthur, Lenny, Hosea and the rest of the gang with Hosea being the leader. Mot such a a bad ending for them
@@Doodmove lol dutch wasn't such a bad leader in fact he was the best what he said was true about the pikerntons killing them one by one its just that micah saved his life dutch owed him so he couldn't kick him out of camp and micah used it to manipulate him
@@thephoenix4093 dutch was no more than a manipulative criminal😂 he never admits he is wrong even when arthur dies in front of him, he makes ridiculous plans that defy what he taught john and arthur, especially in chapter 3 onwards. He kills in cold blood which Hosea doesnt stand, and instead of helping his own gang he constantly puts them in danger out of his own hate towards the government, getting everyone but a few members killed.
@@jochyrocks8790 I know that he used the gang and fuelled it with empty promises but he was a good leader at some point
Imagine Rdr3 being before the Blackwater massacre
I think yes it is. From the rdr1 to rdr2 the red dead redemption series are rewinding and reveals more stories god may rockstar games should not stop making this series ahead.
And then ends just as the Ferry came into town. And the final mission (Just so the title of the game can be relevant) is someone from the gang ratting out the Van Der Linde Gang in exchange for his or her freedom.
@@ravencarino6115 *cough* *cough* Micah *cough* *TB cough* *TB cough*
I'm wondering if you're going to play as Mac Callendar. Milton revealing that indeed it was Micah feeding the Pinkertons information and some sort of clue as to why Dutch went mad and killed Heidi Mccourt. I'm also kinda thinking that Milton was lying when he said he killed Mac, he might have just threw him in jail or put him into witness protection.
It means sense. My guess is we'd play as mac or davey or even Jenny.
Let's take a moment to reflect and laugh over the fact that Ross and Milton wanted Dutch who has a bounty of only $1000 on his head while Arthur's bounty is $5000.
Im assuming the dutch poster was pre blackwater and after blackwater and cornwall train is when Arthurs gets so high
"can i turn myself in"
Dutch is pretty much a mastermind and the brain of the gang. Arthur was the executioner and terrific gunman. Which explains why Lawmen in the west wanted Arthur dead instead of captured. Because they know that he is a skilled gunslinger and cant be killed easily. Dutch on the other hand is not known for his gunslinging skills. Thats why they wanted Dutch captured instead
@@kingf6766 Yea pretty much Arthur is the most deadly in 1899.
@@bosschello2363 probably because he keeps a fat stack of miracle tonics in his inventory lol
It’s kinda sad to see that Dutch prized Micah despite knowing him far less than Arthur.
Micah kissed Dutch's ass, and Dutch was a narcissist
@Matt S not sure about hosea but he define disregarded Bill. But then again most if not all of the gang treated Bill like the idiot and didn’t seem to really look out for him
@Matt S he prized hosea as well, and he prized them because they all have 2 things in common, honor and a code.
@Matt S True. Arthur prized Charles and Sadie in chapter 6 because of how much they bonded in the small amount of time Arthur had left.
@Matt S well you have just hit the nail on the head there Dutch prizes Micah over Arthur because they are more alike even though he’s known Arthur for much longer
I feel like Dutch didn’t lose his mind until around Hosea died. My theory is that Hosea was the only one keeping Dutch halfway sane
ye thats so true coz hosea and dutch where friends from the young age and its sad to see your best friend die after all these years
Micah was the one that made dutch insane. If Hosea died without micah. Dutch would've been still fine and most likely have a mental breakdown.
True. Hosea was the only person who made dutch make the right decisions, or at least, make up a “good plan”. Hosea was wise and dutch loved him for that, but when he died dutch lost his mind and arthur was the only man left keeping dutch strong. But then micah got in dutch’s head which made him care only about money and basically ruined everything
@@penislonger502 Micah had only been in the gang for 6 months and planned the blackwater massacre.
I do think that too but my theory is that Dutch lost his mind when him, Lenny and Arthur crashed in that trolly in Saint Danise. Dutch hit his head back when they crashed
I honestly think everytime Dutch and the gang got close to an opportunity to settle down somewhere he always found an excuse why it wasn't good enough and they should keep looking is because Dutch never wanted to give up the life of an outlaw. I think it's hinted at in Arthur's journal where he says "we found some land but Dutch got spooked and said we were being watched" I think Dutch made up an excuse because deep down he never wanted to stop doing the things he's been doing all of his life. So I think Dutch never wanted to settle down move away and be free. I think he always wanted to be the outlaw and he mentions multiple times "outlaws for life".
its not that he didnt want to be an outlaw, nobody like that life other than micah i guess, it was because he was so obsessed with power that he knew that if he had given up that life, he wouldnt be the leader of a group anymore.
I agree! Even Milton accuses him of being nothing but a killer when the Pinkertons show up to the Rhodes camp and the look on Dutch's face pretty much says "He's seen right through me..."
When I read that line in Arthur's journal about "Dutch getting spooked", I got the same impression you did. There was no way Dutch was ever going to actually go through with farming mangoes in Tahiti - If the Saint Denis heist did go well, he would have found some excuse to keep on living the outlaw life.
@@gamingwithkeith6745 yeah and maybe they were too acustomed to a life of crime
People try to romanticize Dutch and justify what he did, but that's bullshit. He identified and teamed up with Micah because he's just like Micah, he wanted to be like him, but was stuck in this life of being a leader, maybe because he wasn't sure how he wanted to be or because Hosea had a different nature, but this spirit of being a cold killer that no matter who dies while he steals has always been inside him, John and Arthur had a little talk about it, I don't remember who it was, but one of them said he thought he was always like that. He was closeted because of the gang, as doing horrible things that he wanted to do would only turn people off, because of course he liked to be admired by being a leader. Micah appeared to exalt that side of him, so much so that he accepted with virtually no resistance, even accepting the others in Micah's gang over John and Arthur. It's like some people who choose what to do in college, some spend their lives thinking they want it, but in the end they give up, or see that it's not what they wanted.
That was definitely the impression I got. There'd always be another "plan" another scheme, another reason to go off adventuring.
That lifestyle was becoming impossible though at this time, and Dutch didn't want to let it go.
The Gang before picking up Micah: *Doing really well*
The Gang after picking up Micah: *Gets completely wrecked at every heist he's at*
Dutch: "ARTHUR, Y U BETRAY MI?"
the blind man tells Arthur once "Your father is seduced by the one with the forked tongue... it's no use hoping."
Honest to God, I thought wtf was all that about.
Just finished RDR2. Haven't played the 1st yet.
During game they portrayed Dutch as a mastermind. Most of the gang are witty af, so how much of a genius Duthc could be, I was thinking.
With tha all "I have a plan".
For me it turned up as plain bullshit, as like a huge plothole.
I can get Arthur won't question the guy, but at least mah man Hosea, would have done much more to rat out a spy, not leaving even Dutch out of the radar.
Eitherway I enjoyed the hell out of it
"Arthur would often go to Blackwater looking for.."
"I I I'm looking for my mate Gavin"
hahaha yeah... that was pretty funny xD
It's true. And I accidentally killed him too.
Lol
@@buckeyezak89 It's you!!!!! Lol
PS my Arthur had a moustache to look cool
@@mauserc9664 I stole nigel's anal virginity. That is why I had such low honor and watched micah shoot me in the face.
Woman: *holds knife to Dutch*
Arthur: How'd you know she was gonna betray us?
And she asked for more even after took a gold bar from Dutch. Can't blame Dutch for killing that old hag.
@@huytranasd Yup
You can see Dutch approaches her before she pulls out the knife, probably in defense. She's an old feeble woman demanding more money out of two guys stronger than her and one of them approaches and then looms over her, I can't blame her for bringing out a knife.
@@mundanephysics521 You can see we had no money or gold so I cant blame the man with the goddamn plan.
@@huytranasd but the stupid thing is...Dutch didn’t need her help to go through that tunnel. The fact he needed a guide to go through one straight path shows he lost it 😂
Here’s what we can imply based off what we know:
Charles: Burned his hand just prior to the heist, and most likely acted as a diversion to help the rest of the gang escape after Dutch shot Heidi. We can assume this because after the robbery in Saint Denis, he also helps the gang escape. Also, he is very often paired with Arthur when they need to track someone down, or move camp. He is instrumental in getting the gang to safety.
Sean: Was involved when the heist went wrong as he describes it as ‘chaos’ to Arthur in chapter 3. However, he got knocked out either on the ferry, or near Blackwater and came to after the gang moved, as he recalls not seeing anybody. He was arrested soon after.
Jenny, Karen, Tilly, and Mary: Most likely were the initial distractions to guards before the heist started. Abigail was watching over Jack.
Micah: Instigated the chaos. We know this because in a camp interaction in chapter 3 Hosea refers to them being on the run because of a “bad call” he made. Micah most likely snapped when a gang member was caught. I assume Jenny was in trouble, as she was first to die-and Dutch took Heidi hostage and killed her in retaliation.
Bill, Javier, Mac, and Davey: Were the main robbers and guns of the operation. they were in charge of getting the loot out safe.
John and Micah: Were Dutch’s most trusted to be by his side deal with the storeroom where all the money was kept
And Arthur?
According to Arthur’s journal in the first few pages, Hosea and Arthur were conducting some sort of business scam, cracking down on some real estate related activities with some other fellows. I assume because Blackwater was an up and coming port town at the time-that hasn’t been fully built yet, it was real easy to poach potential buyers for land in the surrounding area. Their original plan was to follow through with their idea, then meet up with Dutch and the rest of the gang and they would all escape together
@@RIPVANWINKLE8368 with Hosea outside the town
Imagine the gang bought Beecher’s Hope and created a small town for themselves. Maybe in an alternate reality.
I was hoping in the epilogue everyone would build their own homes on it..
*they got money for a huge ranch full of animals but not for a ticket to taiti*
Just without micah bell,
@@basilrezwan7779 Lenny should've lied and said that Micah got killed by the lawmen.
Leave the bastard to swing.
@@Bobinsox we should get to shoot micah in the mission when u break him say he was killed
Bro. “You gonna strangle me next?” That line always has a veil of tension that you can feel in the room. It’s like the: “I insist.” part as well.
Houser brother man! That's some super great writting and talent! : )
I also love that Dutch doesn't say No. Just that he's doing the best he can. Earlier in the game he would've gone all: YOU ARE A SON TO ME! I WOULD NEVER!
But he knows Arthur knows he would if Arthur betrays him and tensions are high. Arthur might. So there's no point in denying it.
It was a dark scene and Roger and Byron nailed the acting perfectly.
That part really felt forced to me. A fabricated dramatic tension where there shouldn't be any. I remember feeling surprised my first playthrough because the writing of the game was pretty good overall, but that part was out of place. I don't mean to defend Dutch, but Arthur was uncharacteristically stupid and naiive in thinking that that lady guide in Guarma wasn't going to betray them. Sure, killing her in cold blood was questionable, but she was 100% going to be a liability if they just let her go. She was demanding more payment, and Dutch said he didn't have any more salvaged gold left on him, so if they didn't deal with her there one way or another, she would've called the soldiers on them.
Arthur was many things, but he was never stupid.
I took the line from Dutch to mean he had been trying to Kill off Arthur but every time he tried to get rid of him it failed. Like the time he gave Arthur up to the O'Driscolls and such. JMHO.
9:12 I love how when Dutch ends his speech the next clip is of Agent Milton saying "Spare me the philosophy lessons, I've already heard it". So well done even if it wasn't intentional.
Arthur was about to put some sense into Dutch in the Eagle Flies mission but then an explosion ocurred and interrupted their conversation. If you look back Arthur last line was "Dutch look into my eyes". For a brief moment seemed like Dutch was willing to listen and think about the situation and maybe give reason to Arthur.
Can you give me a link to that
I’d read the journal entries over a million times. I always thought that Trelawny was in blackwater when it all went to hell. But I never thought of the strange man being mistaken for Trelawny. Just got shivers.
John was telling Abigail what he saw
Sir Skalitz I didn’t get your point, could you please explain this to me ?
@@dukemakaveli In Arthur's journal, he mentions that people in blackwater described what seems to be Trelawny although Arthur mentions that the gang hasn't seen Trelawny for months at that point so it would be unlikely for it to be him.
Both the strange man and Trelawny have extremely similar appearances so it is theorized that the man spotted in Blackwater is not Trelawny but in fact The Strange man from RDR1
what if there's a story dlc for rdr2 or a rdr3 to show the blackwater massacre where dutch goes crazy and possibly see the strange man what if the strange man was the cause of it all he is pretty strange so he probably did it he probably caused the story for rdr2
I want there to be rdr3 where your davey/Mac (which ever one was was in the blackwater massacre) and you do missions and at the end you die by milton
*When "picking up" something is used like that in a sentence, it means retrieval, not acquisition*
"Picking up" Micah after Guarma, doesn't mean he began there. People keep saying that was the start of the treachery and just explain the rest away to poor judgment. Reallyyy though? The gang become masters of their trade over the course of decades, and they get overwhelmed once and the end begins? Nah, when "picking up" something is used like that in a sentence, it means retrieval, not acquisition. They acquired Micah, and then set him loose, then
picked him up, updated, then set him off again, before picking him up again, repeat. Just like actual undercover assets have always worked. It only seems like this was a "one time" arrangement because Micah acts like a real outlaw the rest of the game. In reality, Micah's behavior as an outlaw is actually his constant struggle of *self-preservation.* The "Team Switcher" to whoever was in the lead. Often using both of them. His was a temperamental law asset at best, hence only the occasional meetings.
Micah's suspicious disappearances throughout the game.
1. Before the game
Micah conveniently meets Dutch at bar, joins the gang, suggests the ferry, ferry job is a Pinkerton trap.
*Note* A trap.. For what? Dutch's gang had been active sporadically all over the West for years. Going East to West Elizabeth, they had lost so much heat, they literally camped in the outskirts of the town and could walk around downtown like citizens without worry. The Pinkertons didn't just randomly choose a potential target in a still growing town on the other side of the country to specifically catch a group of criminals who did not specialize in heavy robbings such as the ferry. Arthur even mentions that over the span of two decades, they would only rob a bank every couple of years. None as significant as Saint Denis or Blackwater. More like Valentine (and look how easy they got away with that). The ferry wasn't even a concern for the gang at first, focusing instead on real estate scams. That was until Micah was suddenly introduced and began incessantly pushing the idea forward to Dutch. Somebody notified the Pinkerton's, and a larger plan had been set in motion.
2. Prologue
No activity, Micah was trapped with the gang in the snow and he was always around. *The one chapter the gang just walks away rather than being found and chased by the law.*
2. Valentine
Micah immediately leaves to go scouting nearby with Lenny. Winds up in a different state, far beyond their original mission (Lenny even mentions how confused he was because of this). Micah encounters some old gang members and gets arrested. This is the "distraction" Rockstar uses for Arthur (The player's) attention. Micah went this far, meeting old gang members. In reality, Micah was meeting the Pinkertons. The gang's trail had been lost, the money was lost, Micah wasn't reaping any benefits. Not being able to contact them directly and not knowing where to look for him, Micah shoots up an entire town for seemingly no reason other than to spur chaos before vanishing. But he doesn't vanish. He camps nearby for several days waiting for the insane incident in some small town in the middle of no where to attract some serious attention. The Pinkertons arrive to investigate, are immediately informed by everyone in the town that it was Micah, he is easily found nearby, and shortly after, the Pinkertons are openly approaching people around the gang's camp, in a different state. The Pinkertons didn't find the gang because of Cornwall, Cornwall randomly found the gang because of the Pinkertons and the new partnership formed from the robbery of his train in Ambarino. (In Annesburg, head agent Milton is even seen being scolded by Cornwall for lack of results.)
3. Rhodes
Micah is absent for most of the chapter other than being seen around camp. Massive shootout in Rhodes, Pinkertons arrive shortly thereafter.
4. Saint Denis
Micah spends time alone (even hearing of a stage coach from a man he was talking with in a bar, leading to him and Arthur robbing it). Saint Denis bank robbery. Its a trap.
5.The game explains it from here, during the separation of the Guarma survivors to eventually rendezvous at the new camp when it is located, Micah also contacts the Pinkertons. Yet again, Micah Bell is *picked up* after the Caribbean... And he leads them straight to the camp, literally.
During the final hours of the main story line. Micah disappears during a gunfight with Pinkertons in Annesburg and then meets up again with Dutch and Arthur before escaping. After a few more missions and another robbery, the Pinkertons at full strength launch an assault on the camp, destroying anything left of the gang with only a few escapees and survivors.
In the hours before the large battle, Micah shows his true hand. Knowing of the impending doom being brought by the Pinkertons, Micah begins preparing to disappear with Dutch (his source of finding the blackwater money) and using the Pinkertons major assault to burn away any complications left behind. A dying Arthur arrives at the last moment, now stalling Micah's plan. The clock ticks, Micah grows impatient draws his gun on Arthur, kills Mrs. Grimshaw and convinces Dutch to leave with him. John arrives... And then so do the Pinkertons. Micah and Dutch fight their way out of the storm, while Arthur and John do the same. In the chaos, Micah, Arthur, and Dutch all meet one more time.
At the end of it all. Micah and Dutch are gone. The Pinkertons are left with no means of tracking Dutch now, and are left standing over the smoldering remains of the Van Der Linde gang. They decide this is a victory enough and the Pinkertons exit from the RDR2 stage (Micah becomes a major outlaw later on, but without Dutch, they could care less about tracking him down next). Micah and Dutch do eventually secure the Blackwater money, and disappear into the wild.
Micah constantly suggests cutting away burdens to Dutch, (which Micah eventually forces this to happen himself). So that they can go back for the Blackwater money (which he does). Micah, disloyal as they come, played both sides the entirety of the story, so that he could escape with the cash while any competition was occupied destroying each other. A brilliant, but rather simplistic plan that worked only because both the Pinkertons and Dutch's gang were incapable of self-control and careful analysis.
Hosea and John, the only two gunfighters with sharper instincts and unclouded judgment, were Micah's true enemies from the start for this reason. They noticed certain elements of the situation and shared their distrust of Micah with Arthur openly. Micah constantly works against them and harasses them in response. Eventually getting Hosea killed and constantly attempting to remove John from the picture as well. Arthur eventually sides with Hosea and John. Micah realizes this and seeing an opportunity with Arthur's endgame weakness and vulnerability, handles his plan's final risk himself. Edit: Notice how Micah is playful and almost tries temptation with Arthur up until the end, where he becomes downright hateful and sarcastic. Unknowingly to either of them, Arthur did however start the chain of events that would eventually end with Micah's defeat in the finale. Micah's arrogance and boosted confidence in his own doings caused him to leave a single loose end not taken care of, one with the potential to end it all for Micah. "Just you left, is it?"
*"Just me."*
I read the whole thing
@@dutchvanderlinde5918 Really, Dutch? I don't remember authoring it by *EvElYn mIlLeR*
The picked up thing is just semantics. It very well could mean picking him up as a spy in that context, and given that Milton doesn't mention Micah being involved in anyway with them before that, it's pretty much certain that Rockstar only intended on Micah being a rat after he got back from Guarma.
Micah met Dutch in a random bar in the middle of no where in the mountains, so it seems pretty far fetched that he was expecting to find Dutch there. That, and he only got the opportunity to join the gang after Dutch tried to sell stolen gold to locals, who caught on and tried to kill him before Micah stepped in. If it weren't for that, for all we know Micah never would have met Dutch, let alone joined the gang.
And he didn't just bring up the ferry robbery shortly after joining, this was 5-6 months after him joining the gang, and in an entirely different state. Arthur mentions in his journal that Hosea and Dutch agreed to head to Blackwater rather than back out West, so Micah probably figured out about the ferry money while they were camped outside of town, and then as Arthur says, he got Dutch excited about it and eventually convinced him to go for it.
I agree that Micah never cared about the gang, but him tipping off the Pinkertons about a robbery on a boat he would be stuck on in an active shootout just in the hopes that he could make off with the equivalent of $5 million today in the chaos seems unlikely. That and in Chapter 2/3, Micah can be seen trying to weasel Dutch into letting him go back for the Blackwater money and asking where it was hidden, just him. This encounter seems to imply that he only cared about the money, not that he was a spy for the Pinkertons.
The gang was also at least somewhat infamous even before Blackwater, according to Ross's dialogue in RDR they had robbed a shit load of banks at this point in time. Arthur mentions in the very first mission that Colm O'Driscoll has a large bounty on his head, also mentioning that Dutch's bounty was slightly higher than even Colm's. Along with this, there were bounty posters all over Blackwater for Dutch and Hosea, meaning that Hosea was known to be a high ranking member of the gang as well. Arthur Morgan was also known about, enough so to have $5,000 placed on his head by the time Milton and Ross first confronted him (probably only that high because of a combination of Blackwater and the Cornwall train, but he was known about for sure and Milton mentions having files on Morgan, directly saying that they know a lot about him.)
As for the Strawberry bit, he was not meeting Pinkertons. Lenny saw the entire thing and he pretty much just says that Micah got drunk and killed an O'Driscoll, he and another O'Driscoll (the one he kills in the breakout) got grabbed, Lenny almost got lynched, and by the time Arthur gets to the town they were literally going to hang Micah the next day.
He shot up the town because the Sheriff and his two deputies immediately engaged him and Arthur after he got out of the cell, and needed to go back to get his guns (and kill Skinny for leaving him to hang) and a lot of people obviously started shooting back. As for the Pinkertons showing up near camp, it's never even implied that Micah had anything to do with it. You could just call it sloppy writing, but I think you're looking too far into it in any case.
As for Rhodes, the Pinkertons were looking for the gang in that area for at least a few weeks before the shootout. The veteran with the missing leg tells you in the third conversation with him that government agents were walking around town asking for information on Arthur and the others. This has to happen at some point before "Blessed Are The Peacemakers" after which there's a few week gap as Arthur recovers and immediately after "A Short Walk In A Pretty Town" (the Rhodes shootout) is unlocked, which gets rid of every one in Rhodes, including the old man, until the mission is complete.
If Micah was a rat at that point, the Pinkertons wouldn't be going through town asking everyone for information on the gang, they would have showed up at camp like they did at the end of the chapter because they would have an exact location. Oh, and one last thing, if I remember right the Micah stagecoach robbery in the Saint Denis chapter wasn't a set up, they didn't seem to be expecting anyone and the entire shootout only began after you blew the dynamite.
@@bobjones1432 I wasn't saying the stage was a setup, I was just using an example to prove Micah wasn't just at Shady the whole time. As for the rest, you're probably right about it, the game does point in that direction objectively, however subjectively there's a lot hinting at something else going on beneath the surface, even if its just Micah intending betrayal at the start. Truthfully, you're probably correct; I think the "bolstering" of the gang's infamy and expertise prior to *one job going wrong* and the absolute disaster the game shows us they become is borderline unbelievable in the span of time that it all went down, leading myself and others to try and find other explanations. Rockstar RDR team is very skilled at writing hidden and "bigger picture" theme and plot devices, at first hardly noticeable, however on this matter it's probably over the top to consider.
@@nathanlennox6056 Oh I entirely agree that it's sloppy how the Blackwater job going wrong caused them to fail at literally every major plot and robbery they carried out there afterwards, with the exception of the Valentine bank and the train robberies. Especially when they seemed to have evaded the law and been successful with their plans for the >20 years prior and then suddenly they're completely incompetent and are disbanded within a few months, with the law only having good knowledge of their location and plans in the last few weeks because of Micah.
I honestly don't know why they didn't just make him the rat all along, I mean they made him the rat anyway, why did they specifically mention that it was only since they got back from Guarma? It definitely seems like they planned on it, I'm pretty sure it said in a newspaper that the law was tipped off about the Scarlett Meadows train, meaning that someone in the gang would have had to be the one to do it, but it's never followed up on.
This keeps reminding me of how well the gang would be doing if the ones calling the shots were Hosea and Arthur. He doesn't say it much sadly but Arthur is a pretty good judge when it comes to ideas and Hosea is a lot more careful, so even if it took some time, they'd have easily made enough for a quiet life
I think the fact that no one ever really explains what happened in Blackwater is what makes it so intriguing. It was smart to make not even Arthur know so he couldn’t explain it to us through his journal. If Arthur had seen what went down on the ferry then he probably would have thought to stand up to Dutch a lot sooner. I think when he saw Dutch kill the woman in Guarma was when he truly understood what John meant about Dutch losing it.
So then that means that the members of the heist is wrong to 😂😂
@@Drexzzz4 well yeah they’re criminals, but Dutch was the one who set off the shootout by shooting an innocent woman.
@@erintoney7137Arthur and dutch was the main two criminals the only thing is that Arthur came when it pop off Arthur just wasn't robbing the ferry
It sounds like the strange man was alluding to John forgetting Arthur
Super 🐧 I like that theory
@@SeekTheCross No. John indirectly mentions Arthur during the mission "Political Realities in Armadillo".
Dalton Turner no he doesn’t. He just says the friends he looked up to the most didn’t like the law. That’s literally everyone in the gang.
@@AGFASANO Still, John is mentioning the all the people he looked up to, which almost certainly includes Arthur. That's the closest you'll get to an allusion of him. It's better than the idea that John just straight up forgot about him, which would make no sense.
Guys u do know that the strange man in rdr1 was supposed to play god, hence the reason he knew if John would do the right thing or wrong thing in the strange man’s missions despite the fact he wasn’t there. And what really put the icing on the cake for me was when the strange man showed up at beacher’s hope in the exact spot John would be buried at and when John shot at the man he didn’t even flinch
Its a good day when the strange man explains
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Fizhy made a similar video along time ago🤠
@@Federico-sv8yj i like Fizhy. But the way strange man explains is perfect
@@bigbi9050 becs like Morgan Freeman
He is really strange
I'm on my 3rd playthrough and at Horseshoe Overlook Karen was sitting down by the broken wagons where you can find the Dutch speech note. Karen said, something about Dutch having a look in his eyes in Blackwater. I thought it was cool that I'm still finding things out years later.
I’m in my 3rd play through right now and I’m just roaming the world and doing stranger missions and random encounters and the game just waiting for me to break Micah out if the strawberry jail hahah not happening I’m just taking it slow coming across more of the worlds oddities
6:51 This scene with the strange man in RDR1 is one of the best scene of entire saga , so strong moment , so sage talks from the strange man , and this " then , why would you remember me , friend ? You've forgotten far more important people than me." ... I LOVE IT
I was hoping for Rockstar to make a single player DLC like a prequel to the story of the events leading up to the blackwater massacre. like it would begin when the gang arrives in new Austin then Rob the bank of armadillo then flee to the great plains n plan the heist for blackwater made by Micah. Then we'd see everyone in the gang and see what actually happened in blackwater. We'd play as Arthur ofc thought the dlc n when it comes to the heist we'll switch to young John Marston cuz he was in the heist and we'll see everything from his perspective.
I heard that was going to be on RD Online but I don't know
Rockstar butchered single player mode and keeps investing in the trainwreck they call online. I wouldn't hold my breath waiting for any new SP content. After all, you can't really monetize it.
Rockstar doesn't do many Single-player DLCs unfortunately... I think Undead Nightmare is the only one, actually.
@@zachariasprice3762 how did they butcher single player?? Just curious.
@@bulbousbackwood5404 They butchered the potential of their single player, by only investing in online. It's sad.
The story telling in these games is insane. It's like they planned everything from the beginning. I wouldn't have known any of this, if it was for you, so for that I thank you.
If you impressed by this wait till you learn the one from Metal Gear Solid LUL .
Really hate that didn’t won the game of the year, I mean I liked god of war but RDR2 is on a different level
@@plimbo2.0 I have a feeling that Abigail might have been pregnant between the end of RDR2, and just before RDR1. Reason being is she could have miscarried due to the stress over being held a prisoner and bargaining chip by the Agency for John, and also his wellbeing. The Agency would've more than likely told him, which is why he mentions it to Miss MacFarlane in RDR1.
@@2geekygamers Quite possibly, it's still a shame that we don't get much disclosure over that fact, to me it seems like a huge deal but I guess it wasn't very concerning for the writers.
J Gooner94 Exposition is an understatement. I love that game but wow it’s outdated
“She was gonna betray us Arthur, couldn’t you tell?”
Me: I can see when someone raises 2 boys only to betray them for someone else they only knew for months
its because dutch saw arthur as the traitor, since arthur lost complete faith in dutch.
@@gamingwithkeith6745 true
Micah was always playing all sides to his own benefit, he is always evasive when Arthur asks him about Blackwater. It seems pretty likely that Micah tipped the Pinkertons off and planned to both collect the bounty on Dutch and the money from the Blackwater heist.
Think he was a mole for the O'Driscolls. Then after Colm got captured he went to directly to the source himself.
He wasn't a rat until after Guarma. This nonsense is just fan theories and nothing more
Dude, that money from the heist was for Micah to do the job 💀
It took me a year to realize that John uses agent miltons name
Right wtf
Although his first name is Andrew, not Jim lol
I just realised this because of your comment
Wait....whaaaat o.O xD
@@madamebkrt it's a combination.
They was just caught up in the change of times. The Industrial age was coming in and Arthur made several statements towards it saying "They don't want people like us around anymore Dutch" they stood out everywhere being cowboys lol
Gerard Dabney Just goes to show a preferred way of life doesn’t last forever, even in a changing world
Kinda like that long awkward silence when you 1st walk in that bar in st.denise lol
this reminds me of "No country for old men", quite similar idea of the quickly changing world, which is no place for some people any more
@@13thfloor2 I totally forgot about that, nice catch.
Little late, but seeing as Strange Man is basically a grim reaper in RD, its cool to see how he knew there would be a massacre taking place in blackwater and showed up.
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Ok, a fiew things that I want to mention:
1. You make frickin' awesome videos and do a fantastic job at explaining the lore of some of Rockstars games
And two: Can we just appreciate how amazing Arthur Morgan's sketches and drawings are??
With a world with ample time and not much else to be doing in free time I bet many your read write journals and draw and other stuff like play instruments and sing and all that jazz
You should definitely try and find Gavin
Gav? . . . Gav? . . .
Gavin could also be a reference to Rooster Teeth Gavin as he was suppose to be a character in game along with some other Rooster Teeth guys and never showed up to do his lines.
@@strangecousin6670 true Jack and Geoff
Gavin was abducted by aliens. Nigel had his memory wiped of the whole incident.
Internet Cop in GTA5 there’s a pawn shop called Gav’s that’s the only reference I’ve ever heard of. Dude is prob a time traveler
5:36 "This is the last bit of our gold" Why the hell did he leave it after killing her?
mike jones I literally thought the same thing
Exactly!!!!!!!
I thought that too when i played the mission
I thought literally the same! I even tried to pick it up as Arthur and it was impossible. Is there any real reason why Dutch did not pick up that gold? In this game everything is planned with tiniest details but that thing was just ridiculous.
@@michu1952 he didn't pick up the gold cause I don't think Dutch necessarily cared about it. He just wanted an excuse to kill someone, and the gold and the money was the least of his worries.
4:44 looks like Arthur killed Hosea
“If I could throw myself in the ground, in their stead, I’d do it gladly”
That’s a fucking lie. Dutch believes his own hype more than anyone else, and he puts himself and his vision before anyone else
I think thats dutch before he *completely* lost his mind, Chapter-1 his sanity level is pretty high and his insanity is low, in chapter-6? Can't say the same thing.
@@yashiorist3642 what I believe this person is implying is that dutch is and was a narcissist. He says that but even at the very intro I don’t believe he would’ve actually followed up on his actions if he could, because at the end of the day dutch cared about dutch and his ideals more than anyone else.
@@ninis.8331 That sounds right
@@ninis.8331 Near the camp theres a place that has trash and its Dutchs speech notes, which includes the line to be dramatic
Not to mention he's too busy reading books to pay any mind, not care towards Molly. Meanwhile he has time to wax on about the tragedy of the American Dream, in between trying to lay with Mary-Beth. Dutch didn't suffer a downfall, he was always a narcissistic piece of shit.
Got to mention that Micah insisted Dutch to meet with Colm and specifically told Arthur to watch them from a hill in the meeting.. then when Colm captured Arthur he told him that his plan was to meet with Dutch just to capture him (Arthur). Coincidence? I don’t think so.
Micah definitely set that up to get rid of Arthur
@@sullifishing4035 how? Pearson was the one that ran into the colms gang
That was Pearson's idea not Micah's
Yeah, I reckon Micah was a mole for the O'Driscolls.
TaterLord he specifically told arthur “you”ll be protecting us” for him to be far away with a rifle and for colm to capture him
6:12
I know he says Marston but it sounds like " I know who you are, Arthur"
Yeah heard it too
@Testosterone Tyrant i can hear it now
Holy shit it does sounds like that
That scene did raise the question to me what if John suffered so much trauma from that period that his brain forced him to forget some of the past moments such as a woman getting blown away in such a vivid manner or that the death of Arthur was traumatizing to the point that his brain forced him to forget that period. Its also possible he just chose to forget. Although, one last possibility is that John was concussed during the escape and his venture into the mountains, which would explain some of his character changes and his memory loss.
@@mr.meatty yeah and notice how when the epilogue started he was super skinny. Something may have happened
Im super late to the party on this one, but you know what I realized? That wanted poster of Dutch in Micahs camp has to be from a long time ago; at the very least before the Blackwater massacre, since the bounty is only $1000. When Milton confronts Arthur in Horeshore overlook, he mentions there's a $5000 bounty on Arthur alone which he claims he's willing to let go in order to get Dutch.
I think its incorrect to assume the numbers matter. Dutch is the leader, the influence, the crux of the gang.
Catching the enforcer doesn't sell papers like catching the ringleader. Arthur likely has a higher bounty just because he is the gang enforcer. He's the guy who kills when the gang needs to kill, so logically he has likely the highest known body count.
@@filthyshoggoth highly doubt this, after all the gang is literally named after Dutch "The Van Der Linde Gang". It makes more sense that bounty poster of $1000 for Dutch was before the Blackwater job. After the ferry job, Dutch's bounty most definitely went up, especially with all the events that happened in RDR2
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Can we just take a minute to appreciate the editing on this, it’s brilliant. The cut between when Hosea got shot at the bank and Arthur shooting the Pinkertons was amazing
I believe that Micah was playing from both sides giving information on Dutch and the Heist leading to a full on capture then he would’ve silently escaped and returned to claim his bounty reward the only problem was that things didn’t go as planned.
Aaron Herrera I'm thinking the same thing. Micah was hedging his bets.
Yeah I've felt like Micah's been the rat all along. Things were going well for the gang before Micah joins them. I could've sworn they mentioned the Blackwater Ferry job originated from Micah's information. They all talk about how the Ferry job seemed like a trap. So Micah joins the gang, and gang members start dying and every 'heist' that could set them free, always turns into a trap. The only thing that blows me about the story is no one really expects anything about Micah, except for maybe Arthur.
If that were the case, why would Micah have any reason to stay with the gang after the whole thing went to shit; knowing him it seems likely that he would’ve went off on his own whilst the gang and The Pinkertons went up into the Grizzlies.
@@YoursTruIy_ He's working for the Pinkertons. If they're looking to infiltrate Dutch's gang, then what better way to implant another outlaw to be a source of information. why would Micah do it? The pinkertons may have offered him money, or maybe even some sort of pardon. find some guy about to be hanged for his crimes and and offer him a way out? that'd be plenty of reason.
@@YoursTruIy_ I started suspecting Micah throughout the early part of the game, and let me tell you when you play the game suspect in Micah, you see all sorts of suspicious things. notice in the lemoyne national Bank robbery, he was the only one dressed up in the bright white flamboyant outfit. And I was thinking that it was probably so he doesn't get shot by the pinkertons. He could have told them about the heist, and said he'd be wearing white so they would know not to shoot him.
The gang got sloppy, but i think Micah was betraying the gang much earlyer than after guarma. For example his suggested new spot after they had to leave Horseshoe overlock, would have been a perfect trap for the gang. And i think he sold Arthur to the O'driscolls.
Definitely, it was all a trap. To get Arthur captured so Dutch would go to get Arthur and they would both get arrested
I mean why else would Micah encourage Dutch to speak with Colm? Plus I saw someone from another video comment on Micah being part of the O'driscolls since he is obviously one who was in a cell with one of them and what kind of person would just give out information like the stage coach they been hitting for awhile?
Not only that he could also given the location to the gang when they were hiding in the swamps
@@BanishedSilentShadow3318 Yea, definitely was.
I think Micah sold Arthur with the stagecoach, maybe he was trying to get Arthur killed and thats why the stagecoach exploded (i mean the first stagecoach that you rob with micah).
And probably sold out Keiran too. Which is what Milton means. Because Micah was working directly for the pinkertons now...they had no more use for Colm. So he's hung. Colm even says that he made a deal with the law. Arthur mentions that Colm's bounty is almost equivalent to Dutch's...but the O'Driscolls are a much bigger gang than Dutch's, so you would think the pinkertons would find and kill them before finding Dutch, and how after chapter 3 Colm wasn't seen or heard of ever again until suddenly he's been arrested and hanged, because Micah was now working directly for the Pinkertons. Every single mission that Micah is in is either a massive unnecessary shootout or some horrible plan that goes terribly wrong and either gets someone killed or makes the gang's problems worse.
Dutch's mother is buried in the Blackwater cemetary. Her headstone is in the second row of headstones over from the north fence, third stone from the end by the tree. Makes me wonder how much of a connection Dutch might have had with the town.
I always assumed Blackwater was a trap set up by Micah, he’s the one who just joined the gang but knew who Dutch was before they met, he encouraged Dutch to do the robbery and the game states he urged Dutch on to kill the McCourt girl, he’s also desperate to get the blackwater money even as they’re stranded in a blizzard, but the fact Landon Ricketts was there but no one ever mentions him means he could’ve had some role in the trap, maybe he caught on to Dutch and Micah being a lawman
Either way Dutch is the cause of the gangs misery, getting greedy and robbing that boat and killing that girl, letting Micah turn him against his own gang, it all goes back to Dutch who they loved like a father and he betrayed them all
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If you do a search about the camp dialogue where some of the gang members talk about how they met Dutch,they all have the same thing to say...that is that Dutch saved their life in some way. Everyone except Micah, he says that he saved Dutch's life. So to me that means Dutch is grateful to Micah,and since Micah flatters Dutch; He is in good standing. Micah is pretty much an opportunist, a lone wolf. He is playing every side,Colm,Dutch, and the Pinkertons. Lenny says something interesting to Arthur,when they go into the Valentine saloon after Micah's arrest in Strawberry, he says that Micah seems to know alot of people. In the jail cell in Strawberry,Micah is with an O'Driscoll gang member. I am pretty sure Micah knows Colm, and had some good dealing with him.
I believe Micah just beat up a couple O'Driscolls and Dutch just thought
" This man should join my gang. "
Yeah, based on Micah's patterns of behavior it's reasonable that he is the Grima Wormtongue of RDR2
Dumbest thing I've ever heard
Micah was an informant from the beginning, aside from all the other facts in the video, During your time in Horseshoe Overlook, the gang robs a train near the Lemoyne border, the one Mary-beth finds information about in Valentine. Micah is one of the only men not there during the robbery, even after the mission, John Marston says "how did the law respond so fast, were they tipped off?" Arthur then responds with " I dont know". Later in the game you can purchase a newspaper that describes the train robbery, In the article it says the law was tipped off about the robbery. My only guess would be Micah, as all the facts point to him.
Micah was a snake from the get go. My theory is that Micah was an informant for the Pinkertons from the get go. They placed him in that "bar" where Dutch says he met him so he can get into the gang.
@@user-bd6qg8oj2g Ok now ur overthinking it
None of this is true considering Milton literally goes out of his way to tell you he only ratted after Guarma
@@STEELGMBL Just because Milton said that doesn't make it true, seems pretty obvious Micah was working with them to get Arthur kidnapped by the Odriscol's in ch.3
@@lonestarbuckeye6889 what would make you assume he's lying about this😂
I’ve always thought Micah AND Jenny were undercover rats from the beginning.
Both were conveniently discovered by the gang, on the roadside and in bar respectively.
I think they both worked together, as Other gang members said how lovely and innocent she was and Micah obviously has a very bullish and antagonising personality. No one would suspect they were working together as they were so different and viewed differently by the gang, in particular Arthur and hosea. Plus Micah says in a side mission that they had sex with each other behind the blackwater camp which could mean they were a couple working together and hid their relationship to maintain their cover.
As everyone knows as well the scraps in his strawberry camp, heavily implying that he had Dutch in his sight long before guarma. And Jenny died on the way to colter so she doesn’t have chance to blow or reveal her cover to anyone, which is ideal for Milton. But keeps Micah involved as his main asset.
Might be wrong but just a hunch!
I always assumed Micah was lying about sleeping with Jenny because she was the only girl in the gang not there to deny it. Every encounter he has with a female character is repulsive and they all hate him.
@@adambess4909 not true. Grimshaw briefly flirted with him until he insulted her and she stormed off. Jenny is described as a sweet but rough and tough girl so it's likely she took a liking to Micah
Man, your videos make me want to go back and re-play rdr1.
I knew it had a lot of lore, but I think I was simply too young to understand most of it as a young teenager. Great videos my guy 👍🏻
I think a video explaining the meanings of the "Visions" of the blind man would be cool.
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He's predicting Arthurs and Johns deaths. The man with no nose is the grim reaper
Great suggestion, would love to see a video of Blind Man Cassidy's omens
I would love to see this
I love Cassidy's visions, but damn I understand nothing
@@Caroliine14able 😂😂😂😂
He did that, coming from the future
this is my thought, Micah met Dutch by accident. Decided to use the gang for the ferry robbery and then betray them later. I don't think at first he tried to turn Dutch in. he just wasn't loyal to Dutch. just used him as a pawn. but since the robbery is a fail so he had to stick around for safety.
For the Blackwater massacre, there is a dark horse candidate who might’ve been a plant sent by the Pinkertons - Jenny. Not much is ever revealed about her character, so it’s hard to really speculate. But what we know is she just showed up on the side of the road, had recently joined the gang, and quickly got in the gang’s good graces. She could’ve played off Lenny’s feelings for her to get in better with the gang like a pro. Also, Micah *claims* he slept with her. That could have just been him making it up to brag to Arthur and Bill. But if this was true, Jenny and Micah could’ve even been in cahoots together with the Pinkertons to set the trap with the ferry job. Like a Bonnie and Clyde duo, if Bonnie and Clyde were actually informants for the cops.
i love how you put so much work and effort in to these vids and you dont clickbait
If there is a RDR3, we should play as one of the callander brothers, and the game should end with the blackwater massacre
I've said the same. Hard agree.
Agree
Java820 hell yeah
That doesn't make sense, we all would know what is gonna happen
@@d4vid653 well we do but we dont know much at all we know what happened to some gang members before blackwater but we didnt know what happened before blackwater what heist they did what made dutch outlaw im sorry if im not writing it perfectly english is not my 1 language:)
It seems pretty clear to me that the Strange Man went and told the Pinkertons. There was talk of a man who sounded like Trelawny around Blackwater, but apparently it wasn't him. In RDR1, the Strange Man encourages John to help people and even prevent certain things from happening, because he knows the future apparently. He knew the gang was planning to pull off the heist, so he went to the Pinkertons. It probably went like, "I know you Jim Milton... blah blah blah...there is a gang planning to rob a ferry in Blackwater and it would be wise of you and your men to put a stop to it."
I've been lurkin' this dude's videos for a minute and, as a massive music lover, Strange Man's music selection is crazy on-point.
Such a masterpiece of not just a video game, but art. So many layers to unravel in what is essentially action/horror/drama all rolled into one.
4:24 the proof bill was trevor's ancestry, same face and outfit's style
And is alcoholic
Why Guarma land extends for so much at south? It takes you even an hour to go trought it for entirely.
They could've just put an ending, but that is an entire island, unused.
And it is connected to the main map too, at south, just like in the map leaked in 2016.
It looks like cut content, but is so much!
You can also see how there was supposed to be roads and rivers.. that's insane.
Do you have a video on that? Sounds cool!
@@PetterssonBeatrice yes, it's very interesting going down there
Look who I found again.
The Guarma chapter, imo, was a piss-poor attempt to cash in on the 'Mexico Moment' from 1.
A massive waste of time, resources, and content. And, for me at least, it failed to remotely evoke anything near the same feeling that going to Mexico for the first time did in 1.
@@filthyshoggoth I feel the same. Shame they cut a lot of content to release the game earlier
Rdr 2s intro is the perfect epilogue to the end of a possible rdr 3
My theory is that Micah, was a Pinkerton informant from before the game started, and Micah saving Dutches life was staged so that Micah could get into the gang. Even if he wasn’t at the time, every time the Pinkerton’s have showed up in camp and such, Micah hasn’t been there, but when Molly ratted on the bank job Micah was there
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We need a Blackwater DLC 💖 I always fascinated by it since RDR1
We don't need it cause that Blackwater Massacre is saved for Red Dead Redemption 3
@@trippydj5721 You can't have a game ending tied directly into the RDR2 that would mean no free roam after the last mission. If the ever do Blackwatter Massacre it would be a DLC
@@ArthurMorganus By no means we are getting Blackwater Massacre as a DLC I don't care about your opinion but it's the truth
@@trippydj5721 I said if we ever do get one, I'm sorry but are you stupid? I know we aren't getting any DLCs, but we also ain't getting another prequel, especially as RDR3, if we ever get a new game it would probably be with Jack or a whole other gang.
Also, did you like your own comment after answering me? Man, that's sad.
@@ArthurMorganus But are u stupid also? That Blackwater Massacre will not be a DLC but it will be a final mission of Red Dead Redemption 3 use your damn mind
Everybody likes their comments except u idiot
This is the type of videos that make you wanna play the game again. Keep doing what you're doing man, they're awesome, well edited and extremely interesting! Absolutely love them
Now I understand why Arthur isn't allowed in West Elizabeth and New Austin in the game.
Thank you, Strange Man !
KEEP'EM COMING. It was smooth and very informative. Now that I've finally finished RDR2 I think imma Buy me RDR1 after watching this upload...I'm so keen to learn more from these your vids this is like watching everything they left out this filled in... Cheers
2:00 I can always count on Nigel to kill the mood.
06:10 "I know who you are, Arthur"
He said Arthur
It might even be lenny
I thought that as well, but I'm guessing it was "partner".
Sergeant Pete yeah he said partner
He said Marston, i think
can we take a moment to think of the newspaper clip describing landon rickets. near the end it talks about how a book was never published. and that he was writing a autobiography before he died. and it mentions someone being shot in the back. very similar to the jim boy calloway storyline
thank you for this video man! THANK YOU
By far the best channel for videos on this game. This is one of the most deep and meaningful video games ever. Never run out of things to do, haven't even beat it fully 100% ever and have started it three times..
Thank you Strange Man for another amazing production..
The music and the editing in this was incredible.
Wow so much detail. Always wanted to know what happened at blackwater. Thanks for the amazing explanation.
Thank you I’ve been trying to figure out this whole blackwater ordeal for a while now, so thanks!
Since the RDR games series by R* seems to move back in time when they go forward with a new game, the formation of the gang and having it climax with the Blackwater fiasco would make sense. It could answer allot of questions on some of these mysterious people in the first two games. What happened in Blackwater seems that Dutch and Micah got sloppy. In many ways most likely. Not hard to figure out what they were going to hit and when, with that much cash coming in on the boat. 150k was a huge sum back then. R* seems to want to make you think the Strange Man is the devil, and has delight in creating curses, plagues, and death, via peoples greed and dishonesty. A third RDR would be really great, but I don't hold my breath for it or a DLC. *A side note* Dutch's mother is buried in the cemetery by the church in Blackwater. Check it out. She's on the side leading out of town towards Beachers Hope. Simi large head stone. Is that where he really hid the money stolen from the boat? Not behind the building marked with an X in Arthur's journal? Lot's of clues, hints, and options for another full game for R* to make a prequel to the prequel RDR2. Blackwater is just as strange as all the other towns in the RDR2 game. Keep up the great research into the odd mysteries in this game. Good job.
Believe it or not, mrLOSS for the win actually did a pretty good vid on this subject and by surprise gave some good details that dove tails in with yours. (The UNTOLD Story Of What Happened During The Blackwater Massacre In Red Dead Redemption 2! ) *A broken clock is correct at least twice a day I am told.*
Not really.
These games always tend to have open ends in order to let you play in the open world afterwards.
Ending it in Blackwater would mean it would tie in directly with RDR2's beginning.
If anything, it would end with them talking about robbing Blackwater.
It wouldn't make sense. Because how would there be free roam when u go straight to rdr2?
No we need a new game with a new character.
@@secondoctoberseventhcommitter Landon Ricketts
Theory: the character "gavin" is actually the grim reaper.
His "friend" is actually a soul he uses to see a player's gameplay.
The strange man is the grim reaper
Love your videos man they have a eerie sense to them that I love
Can you make a video on the closed boarded up sheriff station in tumbleweed?
Django Oh, i like that
I've recently discovered your channel and I immediately fell in love with it, superb videos and great narrative, even if it is made only by text. I know it is off topic and I know you've already covered, at least partially, the IKZ mistery in your channel, but I feel like I can give you a new track, if you mind to investigate and it is something I've never seen mentioned by anybody on the comments.
There is a random encounter in the sorrounding of Van Horn that has some strange characteristics and that involves a woman: I was roaming there at night, around three o'clock, when I see this white dot on the minimap. The first time I saw that too late, because I wasn't expecting an event, and i didn't pay attention to the map. I returned there a few days later, just after the sunset (so I don't think it is tied to a specific time, but i think it can only happen during the night) and I saw two men riding a carriage, from which screamings where coming, I approached an tried to talk to them, but they just ignored me and kept going. So I shot them and, after the carriage stopped, i looked in the rear: there where corpses and a living screaming woman among them. I tried to talk to her, but she just kept screaming and tried to free herself from corpses. She was dirty, with blonde hair and i blue discolered dress. I din't pay attention to other details, because I wasn't thinking she could have been Isabeau, It is actually your video that brought back that to my mind.
Anyway, after she went of the carriage, she just looked at me and continued to run and scream, without thanking me or giving me any reward.
Now, the strange elements are two:
1) any event in the game, even random ones, have a contestualization, or a bit of dialogue. In this case, there wasn't any (maybe I did something wrong, but the random encounter never popped up again in that area, so I think it was right to kill the guys leading the carriage just like that)
2) the woman didn't thank me and just kept running in the night alone. She didn't ask me to be brought back home, nor she explained how she was in the carriage (once again, maybe I did something wrong and I should have managed to save her from the rear by jumping into it, without attacking the ones that were leading the carriage itself, so it is possible that i scared her, but Iìm not so sure.
After your video, I thought to the event itself, to the appearances of the woman and the fact that the woman was like crazy: maybe I should have lazoed her and I should have taken her to the Annesburg sheriff. I have not completed the game 100% yet, so i'm focusing on completing the game now, but maybe you or someone alse in the comment section can investigate or explain me how the random encounter worked, if I made something wrong.
Anyway, keep up the good work man, you're fantastic!
I think the gang got cursed when Dutch killed Heidi. When the strange man tells John he's forgotten far more important people than he, referring to Heidi. Also Arthur talks about the gang being cursed multiple times in dialogue. Did Heidi have any connections to the strange man?
I think it was a combination of the two. Micha was always trouble even before they started implying he was a manipulative prick, but the gang were taking more risks near the end
hey, isn't it pretty strange that Arthur mentions the heist being a trap right before Micah show up ? was Rockstar telling us something ?
Yeah, they're literally telling us that Micah is a rat. Why is this so confusing to people? I really think people want to think these characters are deeper than they are.
California would be a nice setting for RDR 3
My Vices I’m hoping to play as Lyle morgan. We get to see how Arthur’s childhood was and such.
Sir Skalitz That’s a good idea. I was hoping to play as young Dutch or Hosea, and see how the gang formed. The ending would be the blackwater heist.
Yeah, the West Coast would be great. Maybe we can cross the Oregon Trail. That's what people meant with "Wild West".
And I too want to play as young Hosea. Guy is old af and still an absolute unit. And a smart intelligent protagonist would make for a nice change of pace from Arthur and John.
A.A.Ron Davis You make a good point, but rockstar is too good to make a “terrible” game. I’m happy with or without red dead 3. But if they did make it, it would be a sick game in general.
@A.A.Ron Davis
Rdr 3 doesn't have to be about the vander linde gang
They can make a new story about a diffrent gang
I’m French ans I love your work, this absolutely incredible ! Good job !
This video was amazing and most enjoyable to watch. Your editing is amazing! And you don’t drag anything out. Cough cough UA-camr BossFTW
I suspected it was Micah very early on. He was shady and selfish from the start. I thought it may have been dutch as well a time or two because it sometimes seemed he was really only concerned with his own skin while using the gang and masking it as compassion.
Watch that clickbaiter thief James Ross Hudgins try to steal this vid.
Hush child
Try? He'll definitely do it, and get away with it, just like he always does.
@@Gyrbae Yeah I know.
Assassino275 child Hush
Well tbf Fizhy already made a video like this titled "Piecing Together the Blackwater Massacare" so this guy sort of already is copying someone
Im glad you didn't show full length certain clips that have something very important happen in them so you don't spoil the game for people who are curious, Even though I have almost finished it (as John). Thank you.
The editing on this guy is legendary... could be makin trailers for big movies
Micah was bouncing back between Colm, Dutch, and Pinkertons. Every time Pinkertons showed up Micah was gone. Odriscals showed up at Shady Bell, Micah was gone. Final fight scene Micah claims “I’m a survivor”. I believe he also wanted the gang for himself thinking Pinkertons would capture Dutch
Really not happy that there is no single player DLC on the massacre....
They don't want to make a DLC on it because it The Blackwater Massacre will feature in Red Dead Redemption 3
Would love a single player DLC, but I don't want them to show what exactly happened in Blackwater. The way it's shrouded in mystery and ambigious is a nice touch. Also finding out from this vid about Strange Man being involved somehow - makes it even more mysterious.
@@DIGITALDYST0PIA Yeah The Strange Man was present there
@@trippydj5721 That'd be stupid, based on one event?
@@codpro627 Yeah but they won't do it
This is an awesome channel and I'm glad Fizhy brought me here.
I can watch this Video 1 million times and its great every time!
I have a theory that Micha was with the Pinkertons from the very beginning. The typical colour of a western sheriff's hat is white just like Micha's. (could be a coincidence) (This happened in recent playthrough of mine) During chapter 3 when everyone is asleep in camp Micha is no where to be found until 8 in the morning as he then enters camp. at first I thought maybe it's a bug or something but the next night Micha wasn't anywhere to be seen again. This is just a theory that I wanted to add into the conversation
The rat.
God dang it Dutch, over the span of 8 years u have spent 130k dollars on Mount Hagen’s cabin bathrooms
I appreciate you cutting out the scene where Hosea was shot, couldn’t bear to see it all over again.
Beautiful work mate i really liked this
I literally jumped for joy seeing this notificatio
5:32 he didn’t even take that goldbar from that lady
so much good content on this channel
I only know you since yesterday but god do you make great videos