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More Than Just Metal: A Dingwall Defense
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- Опубліковано 1 січ 2022
- In this installment of More Than Just Metal, we're focusing on Dingwall.
At least in our comment section, this brand can sometimes gets unfairly written off as being just an instrument for playing metal but we're here to prove that just isn't true. You'll not only hear various sound clips, but we also sit down and talk with Ashley Reeve and William Shively who play with Cher and Boyz II Men, respectively, about why they chose Dingwall to hold down the low end night after night with these legendary artists.
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These "more than just metal" videos have been helpful to me. I think multiscales are the right engineering solution to the floppy string problem. Your showcasing the non-metal tones makes Dingwall less scary. I play mostly old-school rock and blues.
(I bought a DG Vintage microtubes based on your and other "not just metal" vids. It's always on, but set real low.)
Yeah, that Vintage Microtubes at low settings is basically tube tone in a box!
The fact that Lee Sklar has a sig that he does really use a lot should be enough proof these are highly versatile
I thought the same, he just put out a video!
You would think that but it’s surprisingly not called on a lot. 🤷🏻♂️
Was about to say that
Lee and his shiny new Dingwall in 2000:
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@@Therealchuckbailey oh for sure. This wasn't supposed to imply the video is useless, just that the bass community can be a little... illogical sometimes
Back before Nolly, the only people I was seeing playing Dingwalls were studio, jazz and wedding/cover band dudes.
Along with Lee Sklar
Preach brotha! Though my NG3 is modified, it is one of the most flexible instruments in my stable.
Nice seeing you here Lobster!
I've been spreading the word about your NG mod. Alot more Dingwallers are doing it now. :)
There’s always haters always has been always will be. See it now as a Dingwall owner. I used to play warwicks and noticed then that warwicks were often pigeonholed as nu metal basses the exact same way dingwalls are now pigeonholed as djent basses. It’s typically folks that sit at home wishing they could afford these basses and trying to justify in their head a reason to not want one. I’m 40. I’m old by musician standards. I’m not a 20 year old playing metal. The Dingwall sound to me is the two reverse p pickups run in series. They figured out how to get the best characteristics of the Pbass and stingray sounds with none of the weaknesses. The funniest thing about the Dingwall hate is that before Nolly got his Dingwalls he was recording with periphery using fenders and warwicks. You can literally watch the making of the albums on UA-cam. And often I see people hating on dingwalls and that tone who are fender and warwick players lol 😂
“It’s typically folks that sit at home wishing they could afford these basses and trying to justify in their head a reason to not want one.” Hit the nail directly on the head. It’s unfortunate that’s the truth…
Over the years I’ve found out that many of my favorite albums were recorded with p basses even though the bassist never used them live.
Warwick: 3000$ basses in bands that look like they sleep in dumpsters...
Turned out great dude! Thanks for having me :)
Thanks for being apart of it, dude!
Dude, your playing was NIIICE
Leland Sklar was the first bassist to draw my attention to Dingwall basses, and I don't recall Phil Collins or Toto doing a whole lot of metal. If Darkglass is pigeonholed as metal that is only because their time and aesthetic is largely metal. Darkglass has already become the vanilla of metal bass tones in my opinion as just about every metal bassist is using DG and many don't stray far from the presets. I can hear a new metal song and consistently pick out if the bassist is using Darkglass or not. I loved the sound at first but it is overexposed as far as I am concerned. Don't get me wrong , it is a great tone, problem is everyone uses it.
Toto didn't do metal but they were metal as hell
@@mark6302 Toto has some bangers. Incredible musicians.
Those proggy guys often had some hard songs, just like metal/punk bands would sometimes play around with proggier compositions
Yeah, I use a Darkglass Alpha Omicron on my worship pedalboard to give me a little more hair on bigger parts. It works great! I am now saving up for a Dingwall Combustion, and like you, Lee Sklar turned me on to them. On point Peter!
I have an Ampeg SVP-BSP for "the metals". I don't see that changing.
Thanks for this video. I own four Dingwalls and zero distortion devices. I'm always happy to listen to a clean Dingwall demo.
the cleaner sections in Periphery songs (especially the Jazz section in their newer release, "Wildfire") is more than enough proof that Dingwall is a bass that can do just about any genres.
As a Dingwall Combustion owner that have used it in at least 100 gigs and none of them were metal related ? This video makes a good clarification that the brand is not exclusive to metal players.
Perhaps if the official dingwall roster would include more players that don’t play metal might help this cause even more.
"Dingwalls are for metal."
"Ladies and Gentlemen, I give you Leland Sklar."
I write metal for my own personal stuff, but I've also played my Dingwall NG2 for church gigs and recorded a pop song I was hired to play bass for. Dingwalls are just great at having modern music and modern music production in mind.
What a great Informative video ! This is by far the best Dingwall video !! Good Job 😀👍
I love the D-Roc bass with the matt black finish, gorgeous bass,
My local music store here in Vancouver just got a batch of
Dingwall's in, they have always Intrigued me, I am going to have to check one out.
I would love to add a Dingwall to my collection. Their finishes are always so beautiful. Happy New Year Bass Channel.
A dark blue D Roc Standard is on my list. $1,900 with a case (not sure if that's a gig bag or an actual hardshell tho).
Happy New Year, TJ!
It’s probably a gig bag, but it is definitely one of the nicer bags I’ve experienced.
Couldn't help but notice all the Darkglass amps as well, which I've seen lots of people say is for metal as well! Good gear is good gear
I have 3 Dingwall basses and they all sound fantastic and play beautifully. Definitely more then a metal bass!
NG3 player here. I hardly use it for metal and it does a great job with any genre with the right EQ. My top complaint is something not a lot of people voice: Due to multiscale your plucking fingers get closer to the bridge as you play higher strings, I tend to land right next to the metal on the G. That's hardly a consistent sound across all strings, but not a Dingwall specific issue, comes with the territory of using a multiscale.
Good point and something to adjust for while playing.
Second time I post my comment, because the first time it magically got deleted: I don't want to troll this vid. Just to put some things into perspective. The vast majority of Dingwall basses, that regular people have to work their asses off, save up and buy, come with bright and relatively aggressive neodymium pickups, compared to say, alnico ones. I can't blame people for thinking the general orientation of these basses is for metal - although if one is flexible, smart and make certain compromises, he/she can make them work for any style. Want to change them up for your favourite pickups? You can't. Proprietary shape. You can change to another Dingwall pickup, when you can get one. I recently came across a Dingwall pickup upgrade kit. The price was kinda ridiculously high in my opinion. And there was a sticker on the underside "G&B pickups". Korean mass producing pickup company that provides pickups for several well known companies for their "import" made models - PRS being one of them. So, not that they are bad pickups, but not the best either for my taste and probably many other people's tastes. But no way at that price. No way at all. Strings. When I started out on bass, coming from years of guitar playing, I must have spent around 400 bucks, just to find the bass strings that I prefer. So I can say that having been in and out of that rabbit hole, I am pretty much set in my string preferences. One that decides to get a Dingwall must be prepared to possibly say goodbye to their favourite strings, since not many make suitable strings for suck scale lengths. Flatwounds anyone? I have only played with a D-Roc 4 string and it didn't do it for me. I found it terrible for slapping also. So why am I saying all these? I almost pulled the trigger on a D-Roc, before I had the chance to play one, based on the hype (1600 bucks for a made in China instrument - yes hype does that to people - not that it's a bad instrument, but one that that should be a hell of a lot cheaper again in my opinion), the youtube vids (much like the present one) that comfortably omit certain things regarding the practicality of these instruments, focusing on the positive things. After having played the D-Roc, being a bit disappointed, I took a closer look into them, found what I found and what I found, I share here with you. I will not say that one brand is better that the other, I have no reason to - I do not get paid by anyone. UA-camrs (the moneytized ones) on the other hand, shape our opinions for a living. Not a bad thing of course. But our opinions need to be our own. I hope I helped with what I wanted to do - put things in perspective. Happy new year everyone!
Yeah the sweet spot is on a diagonal like the bridge. Not a big deal. More noticeable with a pick - i've found.
@@morbidalex666 From what i know the Dingwall pick-ups are made by Nordstrand. The replacements ...i wouldn't know. They are overly bright, so I run the high mid on half and the low mid nearly all the way down. And use the middle pickup. Sounds nothing like 90% of NG2/3 vids on YT.
The strings really are excellent and long lasting. I got 2 years out of my Stainless set, before they started dull and slip intonation. Played 2-3 hours a day, and washed in the sink more than 70 times!
I like the shape of the D-roc - that's about it. The finishes look a bit cheap and it sounds vintage in a bad way. Though, hey it sounded ok for reggae in the vid haha. I'm sorry the D-roc didn't work out for you - sometimes you just can't play this stuff first.
The hype train and the hate, seem to be coming from the fact that it's popular and Awesome , a non-trad design, still medium expensive but made partially in China... and most likely a long term Classic like the Stingray. That's enough to get people going alright.
Cheers
I noticed that a lot too. I try to move my thumb placement closer to the neck as i go up the strings, that's really my only complaint with my NG3 though
Totally agree with all this. The harmonic clarity means Dingwall basses distort like no other but i use my Combustion 3 for pretty much everything and it’s the biggest disco funk monster bass I’ve ever owned!
If you have the money for a Dingwall, I might also suggest some aftermarket mods as well if you're not a fan of the Darkglass preamp. Low End Lobster has a great video of a modded NG3 with John East Musicman preamp that sounds insane
Ouuuh baby : Will is finally back !!!
Excellent video!
Almost any bass can be manipulated in some way (different strings, adjusting preamp, effects, amp EQ, etc.) to work in nearly any situation. I'll also add it's FAR easier to dial out clarity than it is to dial out "mud". I'll take clarity I can taper off with a tone or treble knob all day long compared to a bass with little/no definition that I somehow have to make cut in the mix.
I just asked for this last year in a comment under the Darkglass defense video! Thank you guys 💚💚
I have a Combustion 5, and have never used it with any distortion.
The bass is used all the time simply because it sounds and plays great.
I own an NG3 6 string in the same colour as the video (Ferrari Green). They are just a good bass. Good for everything. I play in a metal band, but I also use it in a functions band I play with. The only time you'd need to defend this bass is if you spe
ak to someone who hasn't used one.
Dingwall is just still such a new and boutique brand unless you live near a major city your chances of seeing one on the shelf of a music store near you is slim to none. People who have no hands on experience should not judge something. The sound on 7:40 is amazing! what's not to like?
Fabricated controversy. When I bought my Dingwall ABZ to play church music in 2013, there was no NG2. All the UA-cam demos were jazz, or Lee Sklar playing pop music.
I recently had a chance to try a Dingwall Combustion 5, and I was surprised by how natural it feels! Also, the sounds are really great and versatile. I'm not exactly a fan of its look, I'm more into classic/vintage designs, but I still think that it works very well. I'd even say that this is what Leo Fender could have done when he designed a bass today. Every design choice has a reason, there are no unnecessary bells and whistles, it's all very practical and serviceable - I like that! The electronics provide great versatility without being overwhelming. After trying one, now I can imagine getting a Dingwall one day! I'd even go for the NG3 with the Darkglass preamp - not because I play metal (I almost never do), but because its EQ frequency bands are so well-chosen, for any style!
Just purchased a Dingwall NG3 6 string after watching this and other videos about the bass. I had tried a couple of other fan fret basses and liked them, but the B wasn't that much better on those as the Ibanez and Spector basses don't have as long of a B string as the Dingwall. After hearing multiple types of music and seeing multiple styles played on the Dingwall, I took the leap. I haven't seen any videos where anyone has anything bad to say about the NG2 or the NG3, and even though it will be a couple of days before I have mine in hand, i believe its going to quickly become my favorite bass as well.
Dude, really cool video. Love the production value and very informative:)
I use a '73 Jazz bass for metal and punk and a Warwick Thumb for funk jams with friends. I'd totally use a Dingwall for metal, though.
This is the video I've been looking for! Thank you!!
Watched this again and love this video just as much the 2nd time.
In the hands of someone like Jayme there's very little these basses can't do.
You're far too kind :)
@@deadbeatstudios can you share what you ran the D-Roc through? It sounded fantastic, but modified.
Jayme just ran it through a WireTap. I ended up reamping his direct signal into the Heritage SVT in the Ampeg Suite.
@@TheBassChannel thanks for the reply!
It's just that metallheads are less traditional.
I embrace the future, but still have a fender for motown moments
I play an NG-3 in two different bands that cover blues, Motown, country, pop, rock, calypso, and who knows what else. It works well for that.
John Taylor from Duran Duran has been using a Dingwall recently. Just sayin’
This ☝️
I don’t care about metal at all but I love those low notes on a 5-string so thanks for this. Amazing sounding basses. However, I struggle with the scale length on my 35” spector 5-string compared to my other fender style 34” basses, and going up even higher doesn’t really feel too tempting. But I am tempted to try one of these out. I hate the explorer look though, so it’d have to be one of the more expensive models as the cheapest ones (still expensive though) all have that shape, at least it looks like that when browsing the Thomann pages.
Some nice work from Jayme Lewis! Cheers.
Idk I've always had this same issue since I stick to my schecters. I get asked sometimes if they're "metal" basses. Not even close
I play r & b, pop, rock, dance with my dingwall. And some metal. I love it, sound guys love it.
its a great bass for almost everything but the scale length...puh... I wish the upper horn would be longer till the 9th fret...and/or they would slide the neck and the bridge more into the body so you can reach easier the 1st fret...
One thing that helps is that most of the offset is at the bridge. I haven't measured, but I'd guess there is only about 1" offset at the nut, so at most it will feel like a 35" when reaching that first fret.
i wanna play postpunk with that
For gospel music, the NG3 four string with a BEAD tuning is unbeatable.
Getting a d roc. Thanks for the video
Well done people.
Could you guys do a Warwick vs Dingwall video?
Anybody could tell me What is the song at 7:30 with Jaymie playing over it?? Great stufff
It was a record I played on a few years ago with Kellyeann Keough, this song was called Too Soon. I am biased, but I believe this record to be the best of my career so far, and not because I played it. The songs are just really good :)
@@deadbeatstudios nice!! Ill give it a listen for sure!! Sounds reaallly good
Not much of a metal guy, but just picked up a NG2 4 string and giving it a go. The tone is interestingly good.
My favorite neck type is a jazz with a 1.5 nut width. So, my biggest complaint with the Dingwall is the width of the neck and greater string spacing. Is there a Dingwall with a narrower width? Thanks
I appreciate you efforts to show that a metal instrument can be used also for something that is not metal 😂
I'm getting ready to rip off the bandaid with a $7k custom bass and I'm VERY tempted to put those open market dingwall pickups on it. Convince me a reason not to?
Great playing. Want
I love to play multi genre and Dinwall is the bass I REALLY want to get next, might have to sell something first...(arrghh) I think I'd like to try a NG3 before pulling the trigger on a custom, and oh my those are very exotic. Not saying I'm biased but my basses are worth more than my car...😅
Glad I decided to go for Spector.
The only Dingwall I would buy is a Lee Sklar model.
Spectors have character, juice and growl.
I use my Dingwall NG-3 for a lot of different stuff, including a wedding/party band. I had used Fender, Yamaha, Woodo and Samick basses previously, but it wasn't until I got the Dingwall that I started getting compliments about my bass tone from my bandmates. Note: we don't have a single metal (or even hard rock) song in our wedding/party setlist, so obviously the bass handles different genres without any issue whatsoever. The only sound I can't really get out of it is that really old-school James Jamerson P-bass sound (for some Stevie Wonder tunes, for example) but to be completely honest, I don't really like that sound so it's not a dealbreaker for me.
I never got the notion that it was metal focused. I came to this bass because the btb806ms is too metal sounding, I like a good clean tone, I can always add distortion if I want.
If you think dingwall is metal focused, it's only because of your perception and what you listen to.
I always wanted that Dingwall D-Roc 5, such a perfect instrument! Just too expensive.
That green bass in the thumbnail looks like it was painted by Kawasaki.
Hmm, me thinks a Eddie Lawson signature bass ?
@@t.s.racing A Jeff Ward signature bass. 🙂
I play an american delux 5 and unless you want to downtune a whole step or more the low b sounds and feels fine. Anything lower than a low A is just annoying, frankly.
I play classic rock, Motown, pop, and country with my NG3.
The Iron Maiden font tho?😊
just ordered a dingwal 5
7:39 what is this tune? Sounds crazy
What is the mane of the song that started at 5:43?
leland sklar introduced me to dingwall.
Lee Sklar is the best defense for Dingwall being good for more than Metal.
Andrew baena just called, he wants all 3 of his basses back
I think the whole hate came from people jumping onto a hype wagon, using their dingwalls through same darkglass pedals and whatnot, which is sad because Dingwall probably has more in it than just the typical Djent tone (Never had a chance to try it irl myself so I got not much to say about it). And the fact some people are just jelous of someone having something they dont.
For me Warwicks are my axe of choice, and noticed similar slander as well.
No slap sound samples?!?!
actually it is just more than metal .
I feel like Lee Sklar proved this by default.
If only one could actually buy all of them...
I mean... duh? Scale length doesn't dictate a musical genre. People shouldn't have to have this spelled out for them.
It’s a weird thing that has circled since the Basses inception
Bass players are... special creatures
@@Therealchuckbailey not true because Dingwall was around before the brand blew up in the metal community.
I've been using a 6 string Dingwall on and off for close to 20 years and in all genre's.
Are Dingwalls versatile basses? Most definitely.
Scale length on my Dingwall is.
33.25"
34"
34.75"
35.5"
36.25"
37
lee sklar has a signature model dingwall he doesnt play metal at all do you know who that is. leeland sklar one of the most recorded bass players probably ever
Lee Sklar and Tony Levin
Been playing basses for 30 years, and I think the tension on a 34" E string is perfect, but too much on the D and G strings.
To me, the timbre of those strings sounds strangled: you lose too much of the fundamental and they sound too bright - not rich enough.
The best compromise for me is the range on the Ibanez EHB1005MS (35" - 32") - really good balance between definition and richness.
Thank God for D'Addario and their 0.145 B string, which will make the B the clearest string on a 34" scale Fender
You can play metal, but also metalcore.
The NG3 is a versatile bass. But Dingwall's quality control to a bass that is not made by them, but in China, does not reflect on the pricetag
Love the bone leggings!
I think the problem is rather that fanned frat and a 2-4k bass maybe make not so much sense if you only play in standard tuning and for this money you get handmade stuff from germany/usa/japan.
You can get a hand made Dingwall for under 4k as well.
@@57precision Only the Custom Shops are Made in Canada, for everything else they say "Manufactered in China". Which Model are you talking about?
@@angrywhiteman Super J, Super P, D Roc Custom, ABZ, ABI and ABII all start at under $4,000.
@@57precision Seems like their not available here in Germany but good to know. Only found the Ready to Play stuff and the 6k Basses
Refuse to pay that much for an instrument made in China. Probably made right next to the toys bro has on the wall 😂 they do sound nice but I’m skeptical
Tha bassist for Boys II Men is white?! That's a plot twist
So what's everyone's problem with Metal?
I have zero problem with metal. I have a problem with people unfairly judging and dismissing things as one-dimensional. Hence the video.
I'm just not into the overly agressive aesthetics of the d-roc and the NG series (specially the NGs with the knobs arranged in a V shape and the pickguard with the racing strips). I do like the afterburner series and the Lee Sklar models, unfortunately those are canadian made only and cost a lot more than the chinese made models. I don't see myself using a NG3 in a pop/funk o covers band, it just doesn't fit in, looks wise at least.
Dingwall and 37inch scales👍,
but DarkGlass pedal and "djent bass sound"🤮
something about how unreasonable overpriced it is?
Why do you say that? I’m genuinely curious
All basses are expensive now though. Fender is over here trying to sell us a MIM Flea Jazz bass for $1450! At lest with a Dingwall you get something designed in this century with modern electronics and appointments. Dingwall can also charge what they want because they dominate this space. All the other 5 string full scale fanned fret basses on the market that are cheaper than a Dingwall are turds. I know because I would have bought one over a Dingwall if there were any worth buying.
@@57precision it's a piece of wood with the simplest electronics you can make.how advanced and modern can something like this be?that flea thing is indeed fucked up.but all i know is that the tones i get from my 700e standard mim are not 5000e less worthy than a Dingwall
@@jacopasto3204 You're certainly right. I think it's a given that when we are talking about basses >1500 dollars that we are well into the realm of diminishing returns as far as reliability, playability, and sound go. Dingwall's are luxury instruments, it's in no way a value proposition to buy one. We all know that a Mercedes Benz gets you to the store the same way a Ford does, but there's still a market for the Benz.
My biggest issue with these basses is that they look like race cars; while they may be tonally flexible, aesthetically they’re not
Car-inspired designs and colors are a big part of the Dingwall brand identity. Sheldon and his team are perfectly willing to build you a Prima Artist or a Z that looks like a coffee table if that is what you desire.
These basses still are very ugly and sound very metallic and harsh sounding unless you close all the mids and treble. Nope for me! Sorry. You tried!
Try an ibanez ehb... 35" B and its not way out west. Also a passive mode with (choir of angels) a Tone control.
Plus it weighs nothing
@@PorchBass 37'' Ibanez BTBs are on the way as announced this week. Very affordable too, I just hope their new pickups sound decent.
There's plenty of players who play with their P bass' tone turned down. So is there something wrong with the P-bass sound then? Is it to honky for you?
@@craigmoran893 ok
Tell that to Leland Sklar.
That distorted awful tone that you reffered to while Nole was playing is due to DarkGlass pedals not due to DIngwall being made just for metal. DarkGlass is the worst sounding bass equipement in my opinion it has that cheap transistor sound ,like basically if you ran out of battery. Owned few of their pedals, worst stuff I ever tried. I think people confuse that horrible DarkGlass garbage sound with Dingwall sound which is blesphemy to say the least. Dingwalls are good basses but they get judged based on that new cheap DarkGlass sound. Plug it in a real bass gear like Tech 21 pedals and it will be very versatile and sound great.