Kitchenaid K 5A service and maintenance
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- Опубліковано 8 тра 2018
- This Kitchenaid stand mixer was purchased from ebay and sent directly to me for service, so the owner has yet to see it. It does run well, but was desperately in need of some maintenance! Now we can send it on to the buyer, and they can get a lot of future use out of this great machine!
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I'm cleaning and refinishing mine and it was used in a bakery so talk about crud! I had to dig the dough out of the screws to get them off. I do appreciate the video!
This was the model i wanted to restore that I asked you about doing the powder coating on. This is a bit newer than the one I have. The blocky kitchenaid logo came into use in 1962 and before 1970 the power cords were grey or black. The k4-B you worked on had the older logo. Thanks for the upload!
You bet, thanks!
I am wondering what you found out about powder coating yours? I have this model. It was my mother in laws. Been running strong for decades. This video has made me see I should have it serviced. But it looks like heck. I didn’t throw it in a cement mixer, but it kinda looks like I did. So I’m wondering about having it powder coated.
@@pattimessenger6214 I haven’t done anything yet. It’s still in parts waiting for when I can focus on it. I have a friend who is a professional painter who I’ve discussed it with. There is powder coating done locally, but I don’t want them to just coat it and fire it. One of Ricks videos showed some prepping by pre-hearing the casings to get rid of oil that has soaked into the casting. I’m so fussy about these kinds of things.
Next time, don't skip the yakee gooey stucked grease removal part, for some reason watching that feels oddly satisfying. Just put a hovering note saying to skip to [This] part of the video if they don't want to see it. Good job!
OMG! Great video. I'd love to work on my K5-SS but I'd be afraid I wouldn't remember where anything goes after I disassembled it.
Thanks! If you take photos or video of the disassembly, you will have a guide to go by when it is time to put it all back together :)
I just got my grandmothers K_5A the other day. She made wedding cakes for a living. Every time I was at her house that thing was. Was going. I have no idea how many times I have washed that bowl out.
That's awesome! Great heirloom to be passed down!
Wow! That sounds like VERY hard use! Do you know of any maintenance or repair that has been done on that, or that's needed? If not, I'd have someone take it apart remove and replace the grease, and regrease the bearing at the end of the motor shaft. Do that and it'll probably work for additional years ----or perhaps decades. But that old grease need to be replaced....
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I have a vintage ge hand mixer, I'm trying to figure out how to get rid of old oil smell and stickiness. Any advice? I followed your mixmaster refurbish video and it helped me repair mine ! So I trust your advice. I don't want the old oils or anything to contaminate my cakes, so I'm stuck using new hand mixer until thise is fixed
Thanks for the vid, got my new k5a all greased. Didn't bother to go deeper than the gearbox. Does anyone know if you're supposed to grease the planetary gearset? I don't remember seeing it talked about in here and mine barely had any in it. Maybe it all escaped.
Nice video! Do you happened to know where I can buy a “worm gear with bracket for the K5-A” ? Or is there one from another model that would work ? Thank you !
I have to replace a k4 power cord from two prong to 3
Do you have a video on this?
I took out the brushes. Since I was painting my mixer. Worked fine before. Brushes obviously needed replacing. Put the bushing back in and it got stuck. The wire came off the bushing and just crumbles trying to pull it out with needle nose pliers. Any idea how to get the old brush out? I don’t want to have to take it apart like this. Magnet?
Hi! I Have a kitchenaid K5-a and I’m having a really hard time replacing my carbon bushes, because I can’t get the old ones out. It seems like they’re stuck in there really good. What can I do to get them out?
We have a K5-A purchased in the early 80's. It has gotten difficult to work the lifter arm so I want to lubricate it. I am hoping it's the all metal type. I saw that you sprayed something in there. I have also seen people use a wax. What product in specific do you recommend using? If a wax, do I have to take more parts apart to apply it properly? Thank you very much.
Rick I am having a tough time locating the parts number for the motor brush assembly for this model. By the way great video and music. I checked Sierra Eagleson and her brother on you tube and they are terrific. Anyway you had mentioned in the top part of the video that the brushes would have to be replaced. I was wondering if you have a specific part number or where you were able to buy those. Every parts site I have gone to is less than helpful. Thanks, Craig
Thanks! Here is a link to brushes, they have a corner angled to accommodate the newer style brush holders but will still work. www.partselect.com/PS11753983-Whirlpool-WPW10380496-Motor-Brush.htm?SourceCode=5&SearchTerm=k45ss&ModelNum=k45ss&ModelID=6829734
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Great videos ! Enjoy watching them. Learn alot. My question is how do you do your de-greasing? Looks too clean to be done by screwdriver alone. Do you use a solvent ? If so what do you use?
lol yea, degreasing these is a real chore! If I am keeping the original finish, I scrape and wipe out as much as I can, then use dish soap and a toothbrush and rag, and rinse with hot water. If they are getting refinished I use TSP and boiling water. It will take off the finish in many cases so I dont suggest that unless you are refinishing it.
How do you remove a motor brush when the spring separates?
This video gives me confidence to do some maintainence on my K5-A mixer!! My mixer used to belong to my grandmother and I would love to keep it going. The motor still runs but when I turn it on, it starts to smoke after about a minute. Any thoughts on what I should look at? Prior to this video, I knew nothing about these matters
I have the same problem. 😬 did you figure it out?
Just got a KA5 given to me I’m trying to degrease it but the pin is stuck in the head any ideas on how to get it out?
I'm having trouble getting the planetary off. I've removed the pin but it seems to be very stuck.
Hi I’m not sure if you’ll see this since the video is over 2 years old but I’m using your video as a guide to take my mixer apart but my pin is not coming out as easily as yours did so I’m kind of stuck
What would you recommend to remove the stubborn pin?
Rick, thanks for the video, but I need some pointers on a Hobart Kitchenaid K 5 A with a dry rotted cord that is literally crumbling. I suspect I will need to go all the way into it, removing all the guts, to completely replace the cord because just opening the bottom like many suggest reveals all the old coating is so brittle it is falling away and exposing bare wires. I have it all apart and just need help with actual photos or video showing me what to do. Thanks!
Also, I see resistor is cracked. Is that ok?
Could you tell me where you get the parts for your K5A mixers, I’ve check a bunch of places and I’m striking out, I need a power cord, a speed control plate and possibly that solenoid thingy under the ceramic ring, thanks
Any possibility you could draft a service manual. I have taken my mom's mixer identicalbtobthid one, but I am hesitant to repkace the wire though I want to.
Also, mine had a screwir reoving the pkanetary gear and I got it off.
What kind of grease do you use. I have replaced grease about 10 years ago and needs it again.
Rick I accidentally took out the screw on the bottom of that electrical bunch at 3:26 right where your finger is and above that piece of paper. Put it back in but I noticed it has a little piece of plastic that goes with it and is pushed back by the speed shifter. How do I reattach that screw and position that bit of plastic so it turns on again?
All these videos say "brushes look good" but I never can see what they mean by "good" or "need to be preplaced." Can you help? Also, is the K5-A a Hobart model? I found a KSS5. Does that have the same motor and drive system as these older ones? Thanks!
I just nabbed a mid 50s model that has decent looking grease but it seems like it has three or four speeds and the last settings don't increase the soeed at all. What might cause this?
One thing to add is that the sparking is only on one side, by the brush on the left side when looking at the mixer fro the front. I used 1200 grit sandpaper to clean the carbon off the commutator. I am still getting the sparking on the left side. Please help! I'd very much appreciate any insight. Thank you!
Yea, its possible it isnt fully seated, or one of the things I listed in the other reply. Those are the things I can think of at the moment to check. Hope it helps!
What is the white capacitor for?, the one in the motor not the speed control one. where can i buy a replacement?
Great videos, I am inspired, but I have a question! Where do you send off to get your Kitchen Aid parts? Some how I got into a Whirlpool site, yet they claimed to have Kitchen Aid parts and told me that the special grease for Kitchen Aid mixers came in a 1 pound can for just under $50.00! Yet I have seen you hold up a small can of the special Kitchen Aid mixer grease that looks like about 6 to 8 ounces, where did you get that smaller can of grease? The model of my Kitchen Aid mixer has the Logo for Hobart, with a sub title, "Kitchen Aid division", Troy, Ohio, Model # K5-A. I used this mixer for over 20 years. But it has started to have an electric smell or a burning smell, and the speed has slowed down to where I cannot make whipped cream. Am I wasting my time trying to fix/repair/grease this mixer or should I just move on to buying a newer Kitchen Aid mixer? Wild Bill
Hey Bill! I usually get parts from whirlpool, concerning grease you can find the smaller containers of the KA grease on amazon. www.amazon.com/Kitchenaid-W4176597-Equipment-Manufacturer-Whirlpool/dp/B00OSC174E/ref=sr_1_3?keywords=kitchenaid+grease&qid=1559147102&s=gateway&sr=8-3
30:40 What oil (if any) do you use to lube the front motor bearing?
How much UP/DOWN play should there be in the part the dough hook hooks into (approx 3" diameter, viewable straight up looking from the inside of the bowl)? In my mixer there's about 1/4" of play up and down.
The Kitchenaid wires are color coded, with other brands, they are not, so how do you know which one coming off the coil is neutral and which one is hot? I know that in actuality they can be hooked up to the cord either way and the motor will still work. I've always changed the cords on my saws. An electrician once told me that for safety reasons they can only be hooked up one way. How do you distinguish the hot wire from the neutral coming off the field coil?
I don't , it truly doesn't matter since the original plugs were also non polarized, they could be plugged in either way, effectively changing the hot and neutral connection inside the motor.
Hi
This grease your using is it not food grade?
What if bearing needs replace? How do you even remove it?
Are all the parts available for this thing?
I have a K 5A that has a broken Groov-pin that sheared. It is the pin you punch out to remove the planetary. Where can I source a replacement? I also need a new 0-ring. Both are "obsolete" and "not available" on ReplacmentParts.com. Where do you source your parts?
Found nearly the exact same model but mine won't go thru different speeds. Is it just an adjustment issue or do I need a new control plate? Happen to sell those if it is the plate issue?
What do you do with the This Blenders after there Service Flip them???
I'd like to do a similar service to my functioning KA-5. Is there a website you recommend for getting your spare parts? Probably only need brushes/gaskets/grease but we'll see as I break it down.
checkout Mr. Mixer. www.mrmixer.store/
Where are you able to find parts. Everywhere I see online has nothing available 😭. I just need to replace the speed control and can't find one to finish my 1960s KitchenAid.
Parts is the hardest part, I had to purchase some donor machines for parts. Even donor machines are getting quite costly now, so conversion to solid state is looking like a more practical alternative.
Can people send you there kitchenaid mixer to be serviced . I couldn’t do this and my mixer is like this one and never had maintenance. Please let me know. Thank you
What about the lift?
Bought one of these used and replaced the power-cord because it was brittle. After I put it back together it started to make some arrhythmic clattering noises on low speeds very similar to the sound it makes at 38:48 just a little louder. Is this normal behavior? I just wanted to make sure since it didn't do that before I had it apart, and I have no idea where the sound could be coming from. I took it apart a second time to check the gears but they are all in mint condition. Should I just go ahead and use it, or is something wrong? And just out of curiosity: What could be causing this clattering, if it's not the gears slipping?
Usually strange noises from these seem to be from the rear bearing plate, under the speed control assembly. The nuts tend to back out causing it to become loose. It is definitely something to check. I checked the sound on the video you were referring to, I think that is just resonance, I hear that in a lot of my videos and I think it is due to my camera being mounted to a metal stand that is mounted to the countertop the mixer is on. Check those nuts on the bearing plate, let me know if that helps!
Vintage Mixers and More Interestingly it does seem to have something to do with how the motor is held in place. When tightening the the nuts you described strongly the sound gets worse, but when they are adjusted sort of "medium tight" the clacking nouse is gone. It does however still happen when the mixer is under heavy load. What could that be? My best guess would be minute abrupt spikes in torque on the motor as soon as one of the brishes hits the next contact point, but only under high current as is the case under load. Is there a problem typical of this clacking sound under heavy load? Thanks in advance for your answer and for taking the time! I really appreciate it! :D
@@jacobpalecek7439 Yea those nuts do not get torqued down, which is probably why the tend to loosen up. The plate just needs to be seated and not pushed any further or it tends to bind up. These motors do have a distinctive noise, particularly on lower speeds, and when the contact points start to wear out. That is the biggest issue with these older kitchenaids is parts for the speed control are no longer available. You could check the brushes to make sure they are not worn down to the point where there is not enough tension against the armature. One other thing I just thought of is the governor sometimes can be heard. Really hard to diagnose with all the moving parts in these machines, but if it sounds like a light metallic rattle it may just be the governor getting loose.
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Halo bro, i want ask about grease do you use, its special greace ? Or what?
I use a high quality lithium based grease, but you could also use the kitchenaid food safe grease as well. Personal preference
Got a replacement power cord that has a ground wire. Is there a handy place to attach the ground or leave it unattached?
Yes, you can definitely attach it to one of the threaded rods that go through the motor coil. Remove the nut, attach the wire and use the nut to hold it in place, Unfortunately you will have to disassemble the entire speed control assembly to get to it. You may be able to attach it to the same rod under the nut that holds the rear bearing plate in place, but that may also be tricky to get to and would still have to remove the speed control assembly most likely.
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Thanks for the reply. I attached it to one of the screws that is part of the on-off switch assembly. No problem. After watching your videos decided to do a complete disassembly and re-grease. Could not have done this without your videos. Many thanks. Turned out well.
@@NoMoreRadioMyths Awesome, glad to hear that!
My mixer would turn on before i took it apart to clean/replace grease. I put it back together and now it won’t turn on! What did I do wrong?
The brushes are no set correctly
Rick, I'm restoring my wife's beloved K4C. Changed out the grease, put it back together and noticed the red wire on the speed control plate came off. I tacked it back in place with a little epoxy but now I only have about 2 speeds and it still bogs down with a load. I can almost stop it by hand. Seems like the motor is not powerful enough. We changed the square brushes fairly recently. Could I have them in wrong? Any suggestions?
You could check the brushes, if the curved end isnt aligned with the curve of the armature, it could cause rough running and low power until they wear and seat. Could it also be possible the wire that is epoxied on isnt making good enough contact? It should really be resoldered. Another thing to check is the rear bearing plate, make sure it is fully seated, if not it will throw off your speed control.
@@vintagemixersandmore1666 Thanks Rick. Brushes are in correctly. Not sure what the rear bearing plate is. Is that the same as the governor? That is seated all the way.
Love the videos!!
@@Smroot2000 Thanks! The rear bearing plate is the plate you see at the rear of the mixer, where the armature protrudes from. It covers the rear of the motor and the big resistor attaches to it, as does the speed control plate. If you have a 4C, the smaller model of kitchenaid, then if I recall it is held in with 2 long screws but still needs to be seated all the way. If its the K4 , the larger kitchenaid, then it is held in place with 2 nuts. Just make sure everything is fully seated and snugged up. Aside from that, it could still be a bad connection but really hard to diagnose from a conversation. All I can suggest, which Im sure you have already done, is double check everything. Good luck!
I used red and tacky as you suggested below and I can smell it offgassing. It's pretty caustic stuff! Is it safe to use a non food grade grease in these things? What do you use to degrease?
I have not had an issue yet, and no one has reported any odor from it so far. The choice is yours what grease to use, you can purchase the kitchenaid food safe grease from amazon and use that. The food safe grease is mineral oil and silica I believe. I prefer not to use it since it will definitely break down and leak where any high quality lithium based grease will not. Most of the kitchenaids I service are usually stained from the original grease leaking out as it breaks down, and there is usually a lot of oil under the band and in the motor compartment. For degreasing I will use purple power for regular old grease (anything other than kitchenaid) if it is going to be rifinished, if the finish is staying original, I use soap and water. For kitchenaids getting refinished I use hot water and TSP to degrease the old kitchenaid grease out, if it is not getting refinished, then soap and water.
I do not believe it is caustic, I think caustic chemicals are used mainly to degrease, not lubricate.
There is a food safe Grease the company claims that doesn't separate. Also if you don't mind taking your mixer apart once-a-year I would just regrease it once a year before it starts leakingwww.amazon.com/Super-Lube-Synthetic-Cartridge-Translucent/dp/B089GY2Z9G
I just bought a k5-a and I really want to replace the old cord, any tips? Thanks in advance.
Be prepared to do quite a bit of disassembly, and take pictures of the areas you are disassembling. You have to remove everything from the rear of the machine to access the cord connection on the older KA's. Newer solid state machines are much simpler.
@@vintagemixersandmore1666 thank you for the help!
How do I adjust the height of the bowl I just k5a and I'm new to this machine help plz
You asking for an adjustment that is difficult to do that requires taking the mixer motor off the stand. I would not attempt to try doing this yourself. Try to locate a KitchenAid factory trained small appliance service center that is close to where you live and call and explain your delima.
I wanted my K5A mixer paddle to be a little lower in the bowl. When the stand was raised, the moceable lifting parts limits out in movement against a lip of the stand, so I couldn't see a way to raise it further,. My solution has been to glue a washer to each knob that the bowl sits on, which raises the bowl enough to have the beater sit at the bottom of the bowl.
But I hear tell that there is a way to adjust that with the nut and spring inside the stand? Perhaps someone can explain to me how that works....
If you look under the base, you will see a access hole where you can loosen or tighten a nut on the bottom of the shaft to increase or decrease tension. You can try to make your adjustment a little at a time and see if you notice a difference in the raised height. If it is already hitting the stop though, see if you have a stop adjustment first. Some models have a screw on the bottom #12 in this diagram www.ereplacementparts.com/kitchenaid-k5a-mixer-parts-c-114958_114959_290214.html that will adjust the stop.
@@vintagemixersandmore1666 No screw. What I've done is to glue washers to each of the bowl locating pins, and that seem to give the needed added height, and still lets the bowl click into place. Pretty much looks like it was designed that way!
Thanks for the reply.
@@SeattlePioneer Awesome, Im glad you got it worked out!!
Hi, Thanks for your video, I used it to replace the grease on my KSM5. Turns out that was not the source of my problem. What I though was gears grinding, was actually sparking coming from the brushes where it contacts the commutator. It's not continually sparking throughout the rotation, it sounds like motor hesitation. I replaced the brushes and tried to clean the commutator with rubbing alcohol on Qtips but still sparking. I don't know if you are still replying to comments, if so, what do you think the problem is and what can I try next?
Hey, motor hesitation can be caused by several different things. It is possible the brush still needs to be seated if it was removed or replaced, which can take a little time, or it could be the contacts on the speed control plate worn or dirty. Also the capacitor in the rear of the machine could have failed and causing excessive arcing on the speed control plate, which would make rough running like a miss as well on lower speeds. Just a few things off the top of my head, hope this helps!
The part I wanted to know you skipped over! How the heck do clean off all that grease! Lol
How do you adjust the beater height on this model?
I have a K5A and the screw to adjust how high the bowl goes is on the very bottom of the unit. Lay the mixer on its side and you should see an access hole on the bottom with a nut inside the hole. I used a socket (7/16th maybe?) with an extension to turn it.
It doesn’t sound good after service. Do the brushes need replaced? Sounds like it’s skipping and or course.
I suspect because he installed the armature after closing the gear case. I have never seen it done this way.
I'm having problems with the speed control on my k5-a. It still runs when it's supposed to be off. Any idea what the problem might be? I think it either needs new motor brushes and/or speed control plate.
At the rear there is a capacitor that is tied into the speed control wiring, check it to see if it is shorted. If it is it will definitely run at full speed all the time. You can check it quick by disconnecting it from the circuit and testing your speeds. If you gain speed control again the capacitor is bad and needs to be replaced.
@@vintagemixersandmore1666I replaced the brushes and that seemed to help a lot. I still had some speed control, but it wouldn't shut off.
@@TheGreatGooglyMoogly430 Ok, perhaps there is an issue with the switch, or the lever that activates the switch? Something else to take a look at.
@@vintagemixersandmore1666 where can I find a switch? Lever seemed ok. I could turn the switch on/off and nothing happened. Also, are there supposed to be 2 springs on the speed control plate?
Ok so I replaced the switch and capacitor. The mixer works better than before, but I'm getting a mild electric shock when it's running. I can't find any bare wires. Any thoughts?
What type of new grease do you use?
I think he uses Lucas Red n Tacky
after ww2 this is the other model they produced along side the k4 so 40's-50's this was the allusive boil lift model, they are classed very rare today!! so old formulation would be correct!! sorry it's classed as the kitchenaids Unicorn not just Rare.. there was a reason I was watching it ;)
Wow that's great information, thanks!!
Help....can not get the pin out of the planetary mechanism...Im all set to go but hit a brick wall....anybody out there ???
Hey Rick. First Kitchenaid that I've seen you work on. As I recall, Kitchenaids are known for dripping oil after the stuff separates from the grease. Is there any likelihood of that happening with the red and tacky grease that you're using to replace the original?
Not likely to happen at all, which is why I use it instead of the KA grease. I have seen KA's a few years old with oil leaking out of them.
@@vintagemixersandmore1666 What is the red grease that you use?
did just win this under a $100 not counting shipping???? I actually was watching this one but went for a vitamix lmbo it looks just like it
It was recent, I know that. I don't know what it went for, but if it is then what a deal! I talked to the buyer, and then they had the seller ship it right here.
you said ebay, Darn I thought you bought it :( I would say keep but guess you can't sense it's a customers lol well now you know more about this model, if the buyer don't know inform them, and tell them they lucked out I went for a Vitamix blending station!! lmbo!!
Sorry lol, I am pretty sure this is a keeper for the owner though, so I will definitely pass on the information! Keep your eyes on ebay, sometimes the things that pop up really surprise me!
so true!!, the vitamix machine I bought go's for $500-$900 used got it for $99 but it needed a new sound case container and drive socket which was a $12 part and 2min max work, bought every thing but sound proofing case , also some proone grease new bearings motor brushes to do a rebuild, it's going to be fun!!!
Sounds like a fun project, and a heck of a deal! Let me know if you post video of it, have never seen a vitamix!
Suggest you use a proper pin punch instead of messing up your screw drivers.
Appreciate your concern for my tools!
@@vintagemixersandmore1666 1. Is the bearing on the transmission side of the armature sealed or does it need to be repacked. 2. What size snap ring plier tips do you need to remove the snap ring on the utensil output shaft.
@@lynda8202no it is not sealed and should be repacked, for any models with a snap ring I used my smallest ones.
What do you use to degrease the parts??
Can you tell me why on my lift bowl mixer, is the beater blade hitting towards the top and SIDE of the bowl. The dime test does not help this problem. I have contacted Kitchenaid but could not help. I have changed out the metal bowl and betters that did not help. The shaft that the betters attach too seem to have a slight play in it if you wiggle it, this may or may not be normal. Thanks
Hi Martin! Im not sure why that is, are either of the tabs on the bowl, or the tab on the lift arm that secures the bowl bent? Is it hitting on the front , back, or one of the sides? If you know where it is hitting, see if pressure on the bowl on the opposite side will make it stop, then you can figure out where to adjust.
@@vintagemixersandmore1666 Thank You for such a quick reply. Ill try that. It is hitting close to the L (facing machine) upper bowl by the bowl tab thing.
@@martinhunter6555Sounds like the back of the bowl needs to be adjusted down then? If I am picturing it correct..
Good luck!
20:20 close eyes and try to tell if you're fixing a mixer or not.
HAHAHAHA!!! Good catch, I would have never noticed that if you didnt point it out!
@@vintagemixersandmore1666 Seriously, thanks for your channel. I bought a used K5 and your video helped tremendously.
Thats excellent, Im glad to hear that!