Super Mario Universe Timeline - Chapter 2

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  • Опубліковано 14 лис 2024

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  • @lancethornton
    @lancethornton 2 місяці тому +8

    Either you have a perfect memory, or you have an absurd amount of notebooks and excel sheets to keep track of this stuff... Either way, an impressive job on keeping track of all of these details!

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  2 місяці тому +5

      Excel sort oldest to new. Lol. But I appreciate the consideration of such a feat. Thank you.

  • @ryanrupnick737
    @ryanrupnick737 2 місяці тому +6

    Great video as always! I forgot how interconnected Nintendo's games are

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  2 місяці тому +2

      Thank you! Yes, whether they intended it or not. They created a spaghetti bowl of stories, which are best eaten a forkful at a time.

  • @patatidasilva
    @patatidasilva 2 місяці тому +4

    I'm in love with this project

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  2 місяці тому +2

      I'm so glad. Thank you. It's been a labor of love, and I'm glad that I have been able to create something special that makes other people happy.

  • @Savannah_Simpson
    @Savannah_Simpson Місяць тому +2

    Gotta hand it to you on the research for this series. Very thorough and very interesting!

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  Місяць тому +2

      Thank you! I certainly wouldn't have done so much research had it not been so interesting of a subject.

  • @CommanderButter
    @CommanderButter Місяць тому +1

    I love this series, the amount of research that must have gone into this or your overall knowledge of Mario and Mario-adjacent franchises is nuts. Likely, it's a combination of both. Either way, hype series. My room is clean now also, finished it from when I commented on the Chapter 1 video.

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  Місяць тому

      @@CommanderButter Thank you! I certainly wouldn't have done as much research had it not been so interesting to me. Glad I was able to inadvertently help clean your room. :)

  • @pparisps5141
    @pparisps5141 2 місяці тому +3

    This series of vids is a grewt feat! Good job

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  2 місяці тому +2

      I'm so glad you have been enjoying it. Thanks for tuning in.

  • @Eris1987
    @Eris1987 2 місяці тому +1

    Okay so in my other comment I said _"Touch & Go probably after the Yoshi's Island and have been created by the timeline constantly getting changed."_
    The reason I said this is because I didn't think it made sense where you placed it.
    You answered in regards to time travel thing.
    But I when checking my lore blog I noticed something in SMW2YI's manual.
    It says _"The kidnapper is Kamek, an evil Magikoopa from the Koopa Kingdom. Having divined last night that twin babies born this morning will bring disaster to the Koopa family, he arranged for an early morning ambush. Returning to his castle, Kamek realizes that he missed the other baby."_
    This would mean the there would be no time for Touch & Go to take place, let alone a next day like you said in your video. Since it would literally be the previous night and morning as the manual states.
    Thus, Touch & Go would need to come after the events of SMW2YI.

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  2 місяці тому +2

      Well it certainly can't take place after Yoshi's Island and before Yoshi's New Island. The intro cutscene of Yoshis New Island starts before the cutscene of Yoshis Island even ends. In order for the turn of events to make sense the arranged kidnapping mentioned in the instrument manual of Yoshis Island would have to be referring to the events of Yoshi's Touch and go. This attempted kidnapping would continue through the day and onto the next morning like I said. I don't consider altered timelines due to my opinion of how time travel shouldn't be able to change the past, but that's just my opinion.

  • @Eris1987
    @Eris1987 2 місяці тому +3

    Pretty good video but there are a few problems.
    The mention of the Mushroom King in the Super Mario Bros. manual is absent from the Japanese.
    Localization: _"The only one who can undo the magic spell on the Mushroom People and return them to their normal selves is the Princess Toadstool, the daughter of the Mushroom King. Unfortunately, she is presently in the hands of the great Koopa turtle king."_
    Japanese Translation: _"The only one who can lift the spell on the Mushroom People and bring them back to life is the Mushroom Kingdom’s Princess Peach. She is currently in the clutches of Great Demon King Koopa."_
    Touch & Go probably after the Yoshi's Island and have been created by the timeline constantly getting changed.
    Mario and Luigi do have belly buttons you just can't see it due to their shorts being pulled up high. It's heavily implied all babies are deliver by storks with the exception of Yoshis.
    Humans are probably from the Mushrom World and not Tour Earth.
    Kamek doesn't cast a spell on Yoshi's Island, it's stated Baby Bowser did it with as the game states. Probably with the magic he has and have seen him use a couple of times.
    The Green Yoshi in Yoshi Story is probably Mario's Buddy Yoshi the Star Child Yoshi and the others are his friends which are mentioned in SMB4SMW.
    Game & Watch Gallery 2: Vermin also probably takes place before this.
    Crafted World and Wooly world didn't actually happen but was made up by a Baby Mario, Luigi, and Peach in a kindergarten.
    So you should have saw why I said M&LPIT comes after YIDS. However, here's why
    So....
    Mario & Luigi: Partner In Time(Mario & Luigi RPG 2) (Past Sections)
    This is the first time anyone time travels, and alters the past.
    Baby Bowser doesn't know Mario's name yet but does recognize him. Baby Bowser doesn't shown any animosity towards the Yoshies quite yet.
    Baby Bowser and Bowser don't recognize each other as the past and future selves.
    Kamek only remembers kidnapping the Bros. once.
    Time Travel altering the past and thus the present is established.
    Baby Bowser has also slowly begun to lead the Koopa Troop, and occasionally calling Kamek for help.
    Yoshi Story
    6 eggs hatch in this game, these eggs are probably the same eggs from Vermin.
    The Green Yoshi could possible be the Star Child Yoshi, and the other Yoshis his friends who were mentioned in Super Mario Bros 4: Super Mario World.
    Baby Bowser knows Baby Mario's name and dislikes the Yoshies.
    Baby Bowser seems to be bigger and can now wield magic.
    They have also begun commanding the Koopa Troop without the aid of Kamek. He also no longer wears a bandana.
    Since Baby Bowser calls the Yoshis Mario's pet he must have been dragged to the future at one point before this game in order to make that association.
    Mario's doesn't move to Earth and live in Brooklyn. They move to Big City which would later be known as New Donk City.
    Check my comment on Chapter 1 for the Koopalings, it shows that the games do back up what Miyamoto said and the og manual was retconned. Actually kinda useful it was only mentioned in a manual explicitly the one time.

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  2 місяці тому +2

      I'm glad you are enjoying and continuing to watch my videos.
      Q: The mention of the Mushroom King in the Super Mario Bros. manual is absent from the Japanese.
      Localization: "The only one who can undo the magic spell on the Mushroom People and return them to their normal selves is the Princess Toadstool, the daughter of the Mushroom King. Unfortunately, she is presently in the hands of the great Koopa turtle king."
      Japanese Translation: "The only one who can lift the spell on the Mushroom People and bring them back to life is the Mushroom Kingdom’s Princess Peach. She is currently in the clutches of Great Demon King Koopa."
      A: I view localization as official retellings of the same story. I like to think of it as if two people are telling the same story. If a detail is omitted by one person, it should still be considered true. It was just wasn’t mentioned by the first. That’s just my way of going about things. If someone wanted to make a timeline of games strictly only released in Japan, but I decided to include games that were not released in Japan such as Conker’s Bad Fur Day.
      Q: Touch & Go probably after the Yoshi's Island and have been created by the timeline constantly getting changed.
      A: Again this is just personal preference, but I don’t think the past can be altered by time travel and that is what I chose to stick to for this timeline. If one were to assume that the past could be changed via time travel they would also have to assume the creation of parallel universe due to it, which would make the timeline much more confusing and non linear.
      Q: Mario and Luigi do have belly buttons you just can't see it due to their shorts being pulled up high. It's heavily implied all babies are deliver by storks with the exception of Yoshis.
      A: Yeah, that wasn’t that important of a detail, but I thought it would be fun to bring up anyways. It is a little speculative either way.
      Q: Humans are probably from the Mushrom World and not Tour Earth.
      A: Not sure what you mean by Tour Earth, but I believe Earth to be mainly inhabited by humans, and the minority of the inhabitants of the Mushroom World.
      Q: Kamek doesn't cast a spell on Yoshi's Island, it's stated Baby Bowser did it with as the game states. Probably with the magic he has and have seen him use a couple of times.
      A: Yes you are correct on that. I believe it to be more likely that Kamek would have been the one to execute the spell even if Bowser was the one who ordered him to do it. Bowser as an infant hasn’t been shown to be able to use magic to great effect, but it could definitely be interpreted as such in the intro of Yoshi’s Story. But I thought it more likely to be from Kamek.
      Q: The Green Yoshi in Yoshi Story is probably Mario's Buddy Yoshi the Star Child Yoshi and the others are his friends which are mentioned in SMB4SMW.
      A: The green is most definetly Mario’s friend that hangs out with him most often one they are grown up. Beyond that I’m not sure if we could say that the other yoshi’s are the exact same ones, because theres a whole species of Yoshi out there.
      Q: Game & Watch Gallery 2: Vermin also probably takes place before this.
      A: Not sure if I understand why. The game and watch gallery games will be explained in chapter 5.
      Q: Crafted World and Wooly world didn't actually happen but was made up by a Baby Mario, Luigi, and Peach in a kindergarten.
      A: I’m not sure where that information comes from but I’m only including information form the games and their instruction manuals.
      Q: So you should have saw why I said M&LPIT comes after YIDS. However, here's why
      So....
      Mario & Luigi: Partner In Time(Mario & Luigi RPG 2) (Past Sections)
      This is the first time anyone time travels, and alters the past.
      Baby Bowser doesn't know Mario's name yet but does recognize him. Baby Bowser doesn't shown any animosity towards the Yoshies quite yet.
      Baby Bowser and Bowser don't recognize each other as the past and future selves.
      Kamek only remembers kidnapping the Bros. once.
      Time Travel altering the past and thus the present is established.
      Baby Bowser has also slowly begun to lead the Koopa Troop, and occasionally calling Kamek for help.
      A: In Partners in time the reason why Future Bowser doesn’t recognize past bowser is because the future bowser traveled back in time from the year 2005 (the release date of partners in time). The future Bowser from Yoshi’s Island DS traveled back in time from 2007 (the release date of yoshis island ds). That’s why future bowser doesn’t recognize his past self in partners in time, because his future self wont meet his past self for the second time until 2007. This is explained more in chapter 7. The reason why Bowser recognizes Mario but doesn’t know his name is because he is a child and doesn’t care to remember names. Bowser not showing external animosity towards the yoshis isn’t proof enough to reconsider chronological relocation. Im not sure if Kamek states that he only kidnapped them once, and not just at least once.
      Yoshi Story
      Q: 6 eggs hatch in this game, these eggs are probably the same eggs from Vermin.
      A: That is a possibility.
      Q: The Green Yoshi could possible be the Star Child Yoshi, and the other Yoshis his friends who were mentioned in Super Mario Bros 4: Super Mario World.
      A: Yes
      Q: Baby Bowser knows Baby Mario's name and dislikes the Yoshies.
      A: Yes
      Q: Baby Bowser seems to be bigger and can now wield magic.
      A:Yes
      Q: They have also begun commanding the Koopa Troop without the aid of Kamek. He also no longer wears a bandana.
      A: Sure
      Q: Since Baby Bowser calls the Yoshis Mario's pet he must have been dragged to the future at one point before this game in order to make that association.
      A: Not sure about that, he’s seen Mario riding Yoshi multiple time during the Yoshi games.
      Q: Mario's doesn't move to Earth and live in Brooklyn. They move to Big City which would later be known as New Donk City.
      A: Again it really just depends on what you consider canon or not. I chose to include Mario’s Time Machine and Mario is Missing because I wanted to include as many games with Mario in them as I could. Mario does eventually move to move to New Donk City which is where Donkey Kong Arcade takes place. But if Mario’s Time machine is considered canon then he must have grown up in Brooklyn.
      Q: Check my comment on Chapter 1 for the Koopalings, it shows that the games do back up what Miyamoto said and the og manual was retconned. Actually kinda useful it was only mentioned in a manual explicitly the one time.
      A: Yes in situation like this one you have to chose one or the other. I chose to exclude all developer interviews on the grounds of being supplemental cannon. I tried to include all that meta lore it and it didn’t work for me.

    • @Eris1987
      @Eris1987 2 місяці тому +1

      @@prizm9515
      _"I view localization as official retellings of the same story. I like to think of it as if two people are telling the same story. If a detail is omitted by one person, it should still be considered true. It was just wasn’t mentioned by the first. That’s just my way of going about things. If someone wanted to make a timeline of games strictly only released in Japan."_
      Not saying you can use the translation but the alterations is as valid as the The Nintendo Character Manual from 1993. And by extension such additions, mistranslations, and blunders should not be taken a lore useful. case in point the Dry Bowser mistranslation and the DK64 blunder.
      _"Again this is just personal preference, but I don’t think the past can be altered by time travel and that is what I chose to stick to for this timeline. If one were to assume that the past could be changed via time travel they would also have to assume the creation of parallel universe due to it, which would make the timeline much more confusing and non linear. "_
      Well as stated before the whole E. Gadd memory altering and there is the thing with Mr. Pipe. Characters in universe recognize how it could cause paradoxes but say not to worry about it as well. We also know via E. Gadd's altered memories the timeline can't split.
      _"Not sure what you mean by Tour Earth, but I believe Earth to be mainly inhabited by humans, and the minority of the inhabitants of the Mushroom World. "_
      Tour Earth is what people like myself in the Mario Community have dubbed the Earth connected to Mario's world. As seen in the sports games and particularly Mario Kart Tour.
      _"I’m not sure where that information comes from but I’m only including information form the games and their instruction manuals. "_
      Dev interviews for each games, it basically explains the arts and crafts look of the games and why things like Moo Moo Milk cartons are part of the stage.
      _" Bowser not showing external animosity towards the yoshis isn’t proof enough to reconsider chronological relocation."_
      Emphasis on the Baby part of Bowser. In M&LPIT he doesn't have any hatred towards the Yoshies but by Yoshi Story he dislikes them greatly.
      _"Mario does eventually move to move to New Donk City which is where Donkey Kong Arcade takes place."_
      Reponses on previous video.

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  2 місяці тому +2

      @@Eris1987 yes, the younger version of Bowser my bad.
      I respect your decision to consider dev interviews as canon, but I decided not to for the sake of this timeline. So saying that my interpretation is incorrect due to information I am explicitly excluding is a moot point. Of course you are welcome to vocalise whatever you wish, but just understand that once you bring up information I don't consider cannon, it becomes, by my standard, irrelevant to the topic at hand. That topic is a timeline of the Super Mario Universe that only includes information found directly in the games, and their instruction manuals.

  • @chipklip2
    @chipklip2 2 місяці тому +5

    Bowser's brother NOT mentioned

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  2 місяці тому +3

      I'll be honest I was planning on including him, but after I decided not to include any supplemental cannon I made the painful decision to cut him from the timeline. I thought it would be better to be consistent than to make exceptions.

    • @chipklip2
      @chipklip2 2 місяці тому

      @@prizm9515 Lol you're right, but I think he's so inconsequential (I think at least) that you could've just plopped him in

    • @Eris1987
      @Eris1987 2 місяці тому

      Bowser's Brother is the result of a color palette mistake and is probably not a canon character.

    • @chipklip2
      @chipklip2 2 місяці тому

      @@Eris1987 I think he was referred to in one of the manuals for the lost levels

    • @Eris1987
      @Eris1987 2 місяці тому

      @@chipklip2 I heard the claim but that was apparently a Nintendo Power magazine. Which can't be useful for lore hunting in anyways outside possibly an interview which is not the case for that.

  • @shinobaywind
    @shinobaywind Місяць тому +1

    What song was that in the beginning background

    • @prizm9515
      @prizm9515  Місяць тому

      @@shinobaywind The first song is the title theme of Yoshi's Touch and Go, but it's based off of the intro theme to Yoshi's Island.

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