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After yesterday's 'accidental' win, Pog timed his acceleration just late enough so that he wouldn't catch Steinhauser.
No plan can work if G does not have the legs to pull it off ; at almost 38 its a miracle he can get a podium place in a grand tour
My thoughts exactly.
Chris won at 42
Exactly!
Exactly. Legs are important. And the knowledge that they are not better today than they were yesterday. That knowledge could have saved Ineos some work, Arensman some GC time, and possibly the team a stage win if they put someone in the break instead of pulling. Now the team is just that much more tired. 🤔😱🦋👊
@@mgrieser Not against a younger superstar rider like Pog. Love Chris and loved him winning La Vuelta, but things are different now (no offense meant Chris).
Good morning from the Philippines 🇵🇭🚴🇵🇭🚴🇵🇭🚴 Pogi was generous today to allow someone else not named Pogacar take the stage win. He could've taken it if he wanted to. The ease wherewhich he countered Martinez attack and dropping the GC like dead bodies shows he could've taken the stage if he wanted 😅
Giro: Peppa Pog
TdF: Winnie the Pog
Vuelta: Santa Pog
100% correct. UAE gave the stage win away. But if you want to be good in July then he is not really giving it away so much as trading this for that. 😂👊🦋
@@ChrisHornerCyclingyep thats right.. sheesh would want that triple
Pare swak na swak yang take mo. But Pogi & his team is in "training/prep mode" now sureballs. Sigurista para sa july
@@jpotter agree but hope they get a better team composition for TDF
Tadej just riding for fun again~coz I'm SURE he could've caught Steinhauser if he really wanted to!😅
He always seems genuinely happy for whoever does well, tho~and isn't that GREAT to see?😊
Certainly Pogi could have won. 🤔🦋💪
*TP to DS:* _Right Imma drop the hammer and catch him to win the stage._
*DS to TP:* _FFS man, throttle it back cuz you're looking WAAAAY to suspicious... Give someone else a chance._
*TP:* _Copy that._
@@dcataj5085 not someone here calling pogi suspicious when chris still believes lance won those 7 TDFs. he's aiming for the double you know? no reason to waste so much energy when you need to be in peak shape in july.
G’s a diesel; Tadej’s a Hennessey 6.6-liter Fury twin-turbo V8. 🦋👊
Diesel dominated le mans for years.
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We owe Chris thanks and praise. Who else can pack so much action in 20 minutes?
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I think G said that their plan is to race for second. When Pod goes, it is amazing to watch all the other riders look at each other as if to say "NO WAY I AM NOT CHASING"
Georg Steinhauser has outgrown EF Education. He needs a solid team helping him. Some big team should absorb him and develop him for GC. He has the legs for a grand tour. He surely has a great future, as attested by Pog himself!
Hopefully next year we’ll see a career trajectory for him as we’ve seen for Matteo Jorgensen!🤞🦋🙏
You are right, Visma should sign him 😂
Thanks Chris for taking the time to do a quality review
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HEAR ME OUT Chris I have a funny idea at this point in the Giro and with that much of a gap Pogi won’t be chased by anyone anymore soooo…. Pogi in the maglia rosa should go in a breakaway 😂😂😂
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Haha, should try on 2nd last day. breakaway safer than being in peloton
Ineos will probably chase him like they did today when Grossschartner left and they put Ben Swift in front to bring him back! WHY - no one knows, including Ineos themself 🤔 Strange tactics!
Chris Horner: “Team INEOS DOESN'T Have a PLAN”
Team INEOS: ^^”That’s the PLAN”
Exactly. Stage 2 it was to win the Giro with Narvaez, the second TT stage was to win with Foss and Magnus, yesterday was to attack move Arensman up on GC, and today was to move G up on GC at the cost of Arensman going down on GC. Ineos are all over the map. 🤷🏼♂️😱🦋👊
@@ChrisHornerCycling All of that without telling to Mr. G ;)
These have become highlights of my day. TY!
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Fun stage. Had the distinct feeling that after some time UAE wanted a breakaway rider to win, but not one from DSM. Saw Grosschartner countering Vermaerke on the 4th climb.
UAE acting like puppeteers 😅
I just figured it out. Julian Alaphilippe has decided to wind down his career filling the huge hole Jens Voit left in the peleton. I am so here for this!
I really enjoy listening to you. Thanks Chris. Have a great day.
Thanks Tony 👊🦋
Good morning from 🇧🇼 Appreciate the breakdowns!! 🦋
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Nice summary. Huge win for Steinhauser. It will put him on the map.
Thanks Chris.....Papillon !!
This is a good example to give to young generation! This guy never looked tired even after 5000+ of elevation gain, we all want NEW era of cycling clean and realistic, we need robots! He doesn't even breathe. He will win TDF, World Champs, Olympics Road Race and then Vuelta.
There are riders missing here that won’t be at the TdF. We will not see kind of domination in July. 100% guaranteed. 🤔🦋👊
@@ChrisHornerCycling Bien Sûr... boring tour, no excitement, no competition 💯
You need to watch this sport and think a bit more about it because it's obvious you don't understand anything about it
@@rafalpruszynski6129 Got it! Zone2 ride for Barbie Man. This is what happens when you have absolutely no competition because all other big names of Grand Tours were not there. Giro de farce.
I’ve always suspected that those jerseys were unwashed!
Chris is really just one of the boys that made it to the big leagues.
Arensman did switch bikes when he flatted, your own screen shot shows him on the #8 bike when he's getting pulled back.
Love your recaps!
For us in Europe, it is always confusing when you talk about "todays stage", when we are watching this the morning after :)
Videos are usually posted after midnight here in Europe :D
Keep on the good work!
Go Cannondale!
They have said their comms are not working, and the Tv inside the car is not working either. Reliant on a phonecall form a coach watching Tv at home
the frenchman was just rethinking his decisions for 20km 🤣🤣🤣
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Thanks again Chris
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Hey Chris I enjoy the strategy. I would also like to understand the role of the domestics. What do they do. How important are they to winning. What is the difference between a team lead and a super domestic and when to change roles.
Why Ineos ride for Pogscar..! Nice the German guy who won today EF ..!!!!!!!❤
Hope I guess. Seemed like a lot of hope after G suffered yesterday in the finish though. 🤷🏼♂️🦋👊
Take a look at Uno-x with a disaster mistake in stage 1 of Tour of Norway. Great tactics...
This is the INEOS plan of stages.
Flat stage get to front at 5k to go then at 3k disappear
Mountain stage get to front at foot of climb disappear by half way up.
Knucklehead count: 2
(You had to watch to the end to get the second one!)
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I'm not sure any team really knows what they're doing, Movistar yesterday, DSM and Ineos today. I do think Ineos are trying to keep a number of plates spinning at once, G for the podium, Arensman for the Young Riders White Jersey, and stage wins as well, but that's not excuse. I think sometimes Ineos are on the front just because no one else wants to because when Ben Swift was on the front he wasn't really pulling, but that's not really an excuse either.
It did make me laugh when DSM pulled back the break, just stopped riding and then I forget who it was in the peleton just remonstrated with them as to what they were doing. Either way you can't just pull Pog all the way to the final climb and it not to end up bad for you which seems to be what is happening on every stage. Hats off to the young German though for taking his chance, I do wonder though how much of that was planning (team planning I mean, beyond get into the break and see what happens) and how much was just a spur of the moment decision and it just worked with UAE not wanting to put too much effort in.
I like Pog, he's doing an amazing job and deserves to win and get all the plaudits he is getting, but there just isn't enough quality at this race, probably because the Tour isn't that far away, with it being an Olympic year. Even with Pog winning no one else seems to have a clue. G is a bit past it, Martinez doesn't convince me massively, and don't get me started on Bardet, he does this every grand tour. It's the worst Giro in years.
I said the same thing yesterday watching. Actually it looked like only EF or Trek had any sort of plan. I say it again, if Tadja wasn't in the race it would make for a much more exciting and competitive event. Never get tired of watching the Giro even if just for the scenery.
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I think INEOS will have to figure things out to get Thomas back into 2nd &/or get Arensman into white.
What would be the better "win", win the white jersey or 2nd on GC?
That’s a good question. I would third third on GC and white over second. But why not try more to send a rider in the break rather than control the peloton up the last climb. Such a strange race from Ineos today. Lots of work just to have G follow some more and it almost cost Arensman a lot of time. 🤔🤷🏼♂️ 👊🏆🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋
@@ChrisHornerCycling I think you're right, but I think some of it isn't really planned and that Ineos just find themselves on the front and are like deer in headlights, hence them looking like there is no plan. I think, if I'm being kind, their plan is just riding as hard as they can fit as many stages as possible and hope that Martinez and/or Tibieri crack maybe on the last mountain/hilly stage, but that's just wishful thinking I think. It was just a bizarre end to today's stage as far as well the GC contenders were concerned (apart from Pog). I'm not sure how much more of this I can watch.
Sometimess 2and on GC is "win". There are champs like Andy
No riders, no plan!
The moment DSM stopped doing anything right after catching the breakaway today (Rafal Maika got mad at them as well), I knew Chris would put them in the KnuckleHead category today 😂😂
Rafal was not happy. I enjoyed watching that. 😂🦋👊
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Arensman is the big factor here. He wants to have a good performance and maybe a Top5, so yesterday when he pulled he didn't go all out, always saving for his own ambitions. Can't be blamed tho, if the plan is stick to wheels and see if someone cracks... he probably feels that he's in better shape than G right now. Anyways good fun seeing them fight for the podium
I guess everyone expected there would be no real fight for GC unless something bad happens. But the way Pogi rides everyone off his wheel without even trying that hard is scary
@chrisHorner. Their plan was to go after him like Jumbo Visma did in the 2022 Tour De France. Isolate him and attack Him, that plan backfired on them because they didn’t realize the shape and condition he would be in. Stage two showed them where he was at, he stayed in the saddle and just marked every attack. Then decided to go
Pogi has had some great conditioning over the off season. Ineos is trying to throw shit to the wall and hope it sticks. Also a lot of teams, commentators and analysts really underestimated UAE team.
Hehehe. Yep 🦋👊💩
Now that you are taking sponsors, you should rename this The Chamois Butterfly Effect.
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What strategy is there when your gf boy is in a podium position while totally lacking the explosiveness to attack?
Only real strategy against Pogi before this Giro started was his team missing some strength. Since stage 2 though other teams have ridden for UAE often and now there is no strategy to win GC other than something like bad luck or sickness hitting Pogi because Pogi has been amazing. So the other teams here better just go for stage wins because clearly UAE are willing to give stages away. 🤷🏼♂️🦋👊
Sometimes I think small or depleted teams like DSM will jump on the front and pull for a while just to get some tv exposure for their sponsors.
".....I cant do it!" 🤣🤣😆😆😂😂 - you should make that a t-shirt! I really hope Thomas falls off of the podium to O'Conner. I get the feeling Bardet is not well liked by his teammates or others in the peloton.
And for those who dont like Poggy, was that ok today him and UAE not attacking for the win?, lol
Yes. Save today and maybe when later in July. 🤔🦋💪
Fun Fact: Georg Steinhauser's Dad Tobias Steinhauser who was also a pro cyclist was set to appear on the German Eurosport Network in the recap of the stage. This was announced at the start of the Giro. So Georg might have chosen to try his luck at this stage even before the Giro began. Also there is footage of Tobias crying at the Set of the show as Georg crossed the Finish Line first.
Another Fun Fact: Georg's aunt Sara was married to Jan Ullrich for 10 years. So cycling is really in the Steinhauser's DNA
When does Chris get hired as a director sportif?
I may not ever be welcomed again to Europe after T🦋E videos. 😂🦋👊
Like a baseball radio commentator getting hired as manager. It’s happened.
After G lost time at the mountain stage a few days ago this was probably the all-in move to get the time back from Martinez. It was arguably the last stage to get significant time back. So they tried. I think it was worth the risk. Can't blame them for trying.
I'm liking me some Georg Steinhauser!
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C’mon man, if Pogi wasn’t so beyond everyone else G would be 2nd in what would still be an incredibly tough Giro. That is one hell of an accomplishment for this 38 year old. He’s a champ no matter how you look at it.
If arensmen didn’t lose so much time the first couple stages he would easily be on the podium
Yep. True that 🦋💪👊
And if Ineos would not have used him as a domestic for a 38 year old dude, he could have been on the podium and winnig the white jersey.... Arensman is to polite to speak about this out loud in the media, but he's quite sick of Ineos and their old fashioned way of racing... There is a reason why so many young riders leave the team... Plapp and Tullet last season, and Pidcock, Hayter, Narvaez and Arensman will leave after this season...
It is a typical UK disease to think that they are still stars at the age of almost 40... Just look at Cavendish, Froome and Thomas.... And I say this with all respect for what they did in the past... but their days are long over and they should move aside for the younger generation...
Agree on the bad tactic, especially having Arensman doing domestique work in the final when he is still in close contention for the white jersey and for a top 5 in GC.
what do you think about wout saying after today's tour of norway stage that hes still struggling and he also feels discomfort after training. he had crashes out 10 days earlier than vingegaard, so that means that jonas is probably having difficulties as well. how much does it affect his preparations for the tour and his overall tdf form?
I totally understand your advice that Tadej conserve energy to go for the Giro-Tour double, but even following that prescription, his chances of winning the Tour are not 100% (of course). And rather than joining a group of seven career riders to achieve that, wouldn't it perhaps be better to try to (1) join the more elite THREE career riders to have stage wins in all three Grand Tours in the same year and perhaps get the most or second-most stage win among the then group of four; and (2) (a) ensure jumping ahead of Roglic in number of Grand Tour stage wins AHEAD of this year's TdF to perhaps gain a psychological advantage; and (2) (b) aim for a career ending in like fifth place, ahead of Hinault, in total number of Grand Tour stage wins? I do agree with you that le Tour is the pinnacle of achievement for those in the European peloton. And Tadej could possibly get a record number of TdF wins (and most Grand Tour wins). I'm just saying that Tadej could (and perhaps should) be pursuing OTHER goals for the record books, and number of stage wins perhaps should be one he goes for--I definitely think that beating Hinault to take fifth in most Grand Tour stage wins--if he started focusing on this now--would be more achievable for Pogacar than beating Hinault in TdF victories. (And this from someone who hates that Tadej makes winning stage wins look so easy...)
I can't do it. 😂😂😂
I don't think anyone has a plan, unless you are Pog. Pog always plans to kill or to mercy kill his competition.
I couldn't discern Pog's plan today. Why spend effort to finish second? Seems better to have attacked earlier or not at all. 🛋️🦋
@@starkparker16 I think he just takin a piss. LOL
Well, officially you are wrong. They got a plan, just not a good plan. 😂🦋👊
Chris, can you explain what happens in the team bus pre and post-race? Do they review the day’s strategy and performance? What happens if a rider goes off on his own, like Arensman seemingly did? Also, you mentioned yesterday that Tadej P might have been paid to race at the Giro. I am surprised that any rider would need to be paid to appear at such a marquee race. I can kind of understand it for a smaller race, where you try to attract big names. But the Giro? Aren’t riders already paid to ride? Which brings me to contracts for pro riders. If you don’t mind, could you explain how pro cycling contracts work, and for what cyclists are being paid to do? Maybe that’s a better topic for a show between the Giro and Tour. Many thanks, and as always thanks for all of the insights into racing.
Those are certainly a show topic. But the giro paying topic I will answer here. The giro has a problem with their date of the race (any date may be an issue really) bing that it’s so close to the TdF start, which could tire a rider if they were to do both. The biggest paid riders are supposed to win the TdF. Which means they have to skip the Giro. So the Giro pays the rider and now it’s worth the gamble. 🤔🦋💵👊
It is no secret that Evenepoel got paid last year, so surely the same can happen (and likely more money) for Pogacar.
@@ChrisHornerCycling Thanks. Those would make excellent episodes and I hope you at least consider making such videos. I'd hate for your to come back and reply, "I CAN'T DO IT!" 🚴
This race has made me think a lot about what it must be like for DS's and team members to deploy difficult tactics in support of leaders who don't happen to have legs to close the deal on the day. Lot of difficult team debriefs, I'd guess.
I can’t do it!
Bora has really good cyclists in this giro, I also wonder why they get dropped that early in such stages besides Martinez.
Why would Tadej go off the front for a second place finish and some time on the rest. Is a move like that worth it or a kucklehead?
It was the safest place for him. Stage 17 with an 8 min lead is a good time to be conservative.
After all the teams flexed what muscle they had. Pogi just flexed a “little” back at them. 🤔🦋💪
This wasn’t even an attack. It’s a 10 mins tempo ride
Ineos paced several climbs and descents on this stage. They did this to isolate Danny Martinez from his team because he is well known to be a bad descender and they wanted to put some pain in his legs before the final climb. If you watch back you will see Martinez often lose the wheel by several bike lengths on each corner then sprinting back up. I would say the tactics there were perfect. I terms of the final climb I have no defence whatsoever, The team perfectly set up a G attack only for G not to attack. G says he didn't have the legs to attack but he clearly did, he kept up with Martinez and distanced Arensman so he clearly did have the form to attack. He should have attacked with about 6km left or at latest when Narvaez dropped and try to gain back the 22sec deficit. After the hard work of his team on this stage I think he owes it to them to try an attack but he didn't even try.
Geraint was my second favourite GC rider in the pro peloton (behind Remco) but no longer. You don't sacrifice the time and effort of your team just to do a finale sprint and maybe gain 2 seconds.
If G attacked with 6k to go he would have been dropped out of the top three on GC because there was no way he was better then the others 2-6 or 7th in GC. Ineos actually lost time to Steinhausser at the being of the climb and couldn’t get much time back later even with Narvaez and Arensman pulling. If G pulled/attacked at 6k to go I’m sure we would talking about how bad the day went for Ineos and asking for someone to be fired. 😂🦋👊
@@ChrisHornerCycling Who said that Ineos was trying to chase Steinhausser? You pull him back and all you accomplish is an easy Pog victory. I and the SBS commentators were under the impression they were deliberately letting the time blow out to him. Last year he was clearly the second best in the race. I don't see any evidence that he is doing worse than anyone but Pog and Martinez. G put a significant gap into fourth place today.
Not closing the gap = gc group going slow : you won’t be dropping any gc guys. I think Arensman was the one who should have attacked, but then if G can’t follow they look very stupid
INEOS pulling at the front for Pogi boggles my mind. Especially if they have no intention of attacking. They are too busy protecting Thomas's podium spot. The race for the best of the rest and Pogi/UAE is taking full advantage.
Doesn’t boggle my mind (anymore) Pogi might as well not exist for ineos anymore at that of a gap you fight for second you watch Martinez you do what might let Martinez crack you ride to tire bora UAE doesn’t matter now NOBODY at this point in the giro is watching for Pogi, Pogi might as well go in the breakaway for the lulz nobody will chase him
I was surprised also. Why not go for the stage win. And let G follow the others behind for a podium. Their team is plenty strong enough to race for the stage victory since Pogi was not. 🤷🏼♂️🦋👍
No plan works vs pogi... Dani M knows their plan being an Ineos guy.. Just hold 3rd..haha
Today was all in for G. Tomorrow maybe it’s different again. 🤔🦋👍
now t's a day
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Stages 16 and 17 should have been ideal for climbers out of top-ten GC contention to get in a breakaway and fight for a glorious mountaintop stage win. Pogacar didn't need to go all out and he obviously didn't, but he still finished 1st and 2nd. Maybe the other teams are knuckleheads or maybe the bottom two-thirds of this peloton just isn't good enough.
Would the other teams be racing very differently if Pogi wasn't in the Giro? None of them seem strong enough to control the race, and most of the leaders just want to follow until the last few 100m. With the pink on the line would they be more aggressive than they are being for a podium.
Also without Pogi, the first couple of stages wouldn't have been raced so hard, so Bardet and others may not have lost so much time in those early stages. There would be more riders in contention
Ineos hasn't had a plan since Rod Ellingworth left.... INEOS is more interested in their shinny new soccer toy...
there is no plan for Pogi when he is in this form.
One plan: Survive
Wasn’t his dad a pro back in the day?
Georg!!!! Way to go! Ineos's tactics are putting me to sleep. G "I can't do it" Thomas's podium bid is the least interesting thing about
this Giro. Thanks, Chris!
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Sorry to say but I didn't see TP's point in going off the front. If he was going to race for the win and he knew his lieutenant didn't have the chops today to go for the stage, why waste the energy? He didn't back off until he realized he wasn't going to close the gap. I agree had he wanted to win he could have but he would have wasted even more bullets by needing to start the climb in the last 5 k not the last 2 or 3. I think he just wanted to beat Eddie the cannibals giro 5 stage win record with 6 stage wins .But that is just speculation
Hear you but wasnt an attack really though it was tempo he doesnt want to be in group with guys on limit thats when they make mistakes...he wastes energy starting and stopping that creates a lot more lactate and requires more recovery than what he did. Plus whole point of his team maintaining that tempo is its not about stage wins anymore hes trying to get to end of each stage as easy and as efficiently as he can. He tt'd that last climb he was in saddle the whole way except using his weight to get initial gap. Hes different gravy when you can win GT mountain time trials and summit finishes along with raes like liege, flanders, lombardia and compete in MSR. Whole package hes explosive, has tremendous endurance, and is incredibly strong with incredible bike skills.
This is leanest hes ever been so will e interesting to see him in the heat at tour its been his achilles really only time hes looked vulnerable. Riding more cerebral style using all his team is only weakness. Hinault is best I had ever seen but tadej has always been most talented since Vuelta you could see it. His learning curve is outraeous close to prodigous he rides unicycles etc. Reminds me of watching messi play football you still see kid in him as he beats est in world. Enjoy the last week !
@@ryanphelan6861 yes I did watch his interview after I commented but he claims his win was more for show and he knew he couldn't win after Gonzales attacked. To me he looked more fatigued then after yesterday's shortened stage. Regardless, as you noted, he is leaner and without doubt demonstrates more fitness than at other grand tours. I still think his major weakness is heat on long climbs. It is interesting that he doesn't wear arm warmers so don't know if that is to stay cooler or what I think one of Eurosport commentators on the motor bike made such an observation.
No one knows 100% how riding all out today will affect July. 🤔🦋👍
@ChrisHornerCycling I just recall your video 3 or 4 stages ago that captioned 'the tdf starts today' or something to that effect
So if it started then and barring accidents or sickness why use unnecessary bullets since the premise of the butterfly effect is to not go into the reserves too often . All I'm saying is that his non-attack attack is interesting . In fact others might have deemed it a knucklehead move since he knew he wasn't going to win and his last 'non attack' was for show) per his post race interview interview).
Make no mistake I'm a huge TP fan and supporters.
Thanks for your analysis.
G is done. He just hasnt found the power this Giro. It happens at the top end with these pros. I suspect G is not recovering on a daily basis. Podium is an achievement in itself but G must be feeling pretty crappy.
What’s worse than the fact that they don’t have a plan, but they don’t have control. Arensmen is clearly on his own plan, that started with his frustration that he vented to his dad, who then tweeted it. I believe he is out of contract at the end of the year. None of which helps G maintain his podium position.
That tweet was classic. We need more that stuff. 😂🦋👊
Excellent topic covered. I was about to ask you If it is even possible for one of these teams (read Ineos) just beat UAE team for one day and maybe grab a few seconds on Tadej for competition sake and how would that even look like? Not sure why Arensman and G were even in front of Majka and Pogačar at all. Hey at least the German dude who won did not ask Pogi for autograph and sunglasses.
See also: G Thomas is cooked.
Could be. He doesn’t seem to be getting better during this Giro. Started at this level and has stayed there. ⏲️🤔🦋👍
@@ChrisHornerCycling I'm an Aussie rooting for Aussie O'Connor (and Storer - what a great ride so far with no dedicated GC support??) and Thomas is older + doing better so far, so there's that.
It was that sprint with Pog that killed him. It was crazy, but the young kid has more in his tank and GT enjoyed it, but it killed him!
Thomas is a super domestique trying to be a GC rider.
Kuss Sepp is the same
He's also won the tour and Olympic Gold
Age catches up with us
@@davemorriss2552 when he won the Tour he was a super domestique for Froome.
G has tons of years left. 😂🦋👊🇪🇸🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋🦋
I thought aliphillipe was off the back on the descent coz he didn't wana get caught up in a crash/he knew the peloton would catch them so preserving energy . . But then he started pulling . Knucklehead
So much energy used. Ouch. 😱🦋👍
Who else thinks pogi could have won it if he'd wanted it
First
Some where. 👊🦋
Ineos can have any plan they like,tbh the whole team are just followers....37 yr old as your GC guy WTF are they thinking?
GT needs to retire. He can’t GO. He’s not a HORNERstar!😂
Oldest in the Galaxy 😂🌌🦋👊🇪🇸💥
Bruh! When I saw u at the finish on Sierra rd in TOC, first place and still smiling! 🤯
Nice to be Chris Horner. A Monday Morning Quarterback 7 days a week. . .
hes a sports analyst like every other person commenting upon games played no matter the sport--only difference, is he does it on You Tube.
Oh man. Let’s be clear. I can do it live any day of the week with right and wrong tactics. 800 videos prove that and 100 of them were live. Plus another couple decades and half actually in the race as “live as it gets”. 😂🦋😜
Every sports anslyst is a "Momlnday morning quarterback. Their job is to inform those who didn't get to watch an event live, what happened and point out strategies, successes and failures by participants, and give expert analyses. Mr. Horner has "been there, done that" and he calls it as he saw it? and does a damn good job.
surviving the story of ineos ! mad start on this stage. thomas , same probleme than with froome ,he can t follow his pilote ! njoygiro