An Omega Level Mutant Returns (Comics Explained)
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- ▸ The Children of the Vault - hyper-evolved humans from a society whose time moves much faster than our own. Each time the X-Men defeat them, they retreat to their home, evolving further to a new, more advanced generation. This time, they will not be stopped so easily.
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The best Darwin moment has too be when he faced Worldbreaker Hulk and involuntarily teleported away because that was the only way for him to survive.
Not the only way. Just the best approach.
@@ephemispriest8069 Only and best are synonymous in this case.
@@ephemispriest8069 wasn’t it the only way tho cause like nobody could stop him so what other approach could they have taken to beat him
That was PIS imo.
@@tristinkennedy1207 They could show him who was really to blame for his wife's death.
So Forge's mutant ability is to build/replicate any technological device/weapon/system. I'm surprised he hasn't had the idea of Reverse Engineering Nimrod, with the ability to analyze and adapt to Children of the Vault's powersets. Then he could build a few of them, and have them stand guard around the Vault. I'd love to see a battle between the Children of the Vault and Nimrods.
Well Krakoa still has a strict no AI policy, so I doubt the council would've allowed it.
My understanding is the power is like a one track mind. Forge gets a prompt and just hyperfixates and solves the problem like a rubix cube. This doesn't make him a smart guy. Things like thinking outside the box and designing variants of Nimrod might be beyond him, at the very least in this story. You see how a small disagreement sets him off while on the mission, he isn't some higher level thinker just a good tinkerer
@@Rhapsodos_X Yeah Forge is definitely not smart like Reed Richards or Tony Stark. He's the mechanic who hits the machine with a wrench and it magically starts working. He can't tell you why it works, it just does.
@@Rhapsodos_X Your understanding is wrong. He is a smart guy. He has superhuman skills at making things. But he is still a very smart guy.
@@kevinmalone4341 He can make things they could never understand how to make though. Making his skills much better than theirs.
Someone else already said it, but i agree its the best moment. Nightcrawler is the one that said it best: Darwins mutations allow his body to adapt to any threat, and survive it. If it sent him away, that means his body thought the best way to survive the Hulk-" (cut to darwin in mexico-) "was to be where the Hulk wasn't."
So what i dont understand is how they even beat the hulk in those simulations if they couldn't even fully annihilate Darwin. I just can't see those children throwing hands with the avatar of toba
I love how the X-books have shown how broken the Save-Scumming/Learning from each Boss Fight Respawn concept is. We've been using it constantly in video games.
They really have been hitting us back with the "This is how you abuse a quicksave"
That's more of a groundhog day concept. I read these books, I'm pretty sure it was called the feedback loop, where the MC was in a live die repeat scenario. Man it was great. Good story, Lotta action.
I swear to God. Darwin is the most broken character in fiction, period. Being able to adapt to anything, the ultimate survival mechanism. Its just awesome. And now he's basically an idea and you can't kill an idea. Like how do you go higher than that!
If his 'body' isn't aware of the threat or whats coming his way, his powers don't manifest.
If you were to shoot Darwin with a sniper rifle a mile away, his mutant powers wouldn't manifest. His brains would paint the walls.
If he watched you shoot at him with a sniper rifle his body would adapt and he would either manifest intangibility, or his body would manifest armor that would stop/deflect the bullet depending on how cool the writer wants to look.
If you dropped a nuke on Krakoa, if darwin didn't see the bomb drop, he would die in the nuclear blast. If he never perceived hulk and he got the back of his head punched, he would die. His powers only were originally supposed to manifest if he was aware of the threat in his general vicinity.
@@thefallencog Mind you all this is a fan-theory because there have been several times in his comic runs that he was hit with an attack he didn't see coming and still adapted. But it is an interesting limitation.
The only thing that can beat him…Kevin bacon
Hope you feel better Rob, thanks for what you've been doing.
Rob has been doing this a long time, for over 25 years and is the best comic book youtuber ever.
I love how rob made me think of peter petrelli and then mentions him directly after. Rob is truly a man of culture just because he watched heroes.
Dawg, rob please, don’t ever apologize for not being “crazy, over excited” your voice is how I traverse the multiverse. And whatever bothered you, you handled like a real one. Keep it up, and thank you !
Also, do you play marvel snap ? It’s not a plug I would just love to play you
You know what ... It's been a couple years now since I started reading house and powers, and all the x stuff after that ... X is really the most interesting multi-story arc setup in Marvel right now. I honestly thought the COV would disappear into obscurity but this is way better than what I had hoped for in terms of a return to the COV.
Yep krakoan Era is good
We need more X-Men coverage!!
Sorry if it's a big ask but can I request you return the old labelling system in the titles so people can tell what series a new upload belongs to? And/or the writing on the thumbnails? I gave it a fair shake and I think one or the other if not both returning would really help keep track of things especially with series with a billion tie-ins like big name Justice League or X-Men stuffs. Love the work! TY!
Sync has easily my favorite mutant powers. I've been a fan since his appearance.
Yeah i love powers that are good in certain situations. Makes for good stories.
One of the best X-Men stories written. It took 2 years to do and it’s still not done.
2 things on forge's powers
1- dude is a moderately powered shaman
2- the knowledge doesn't dissappear , just the 'skill to intuit/understand/apply tech
oh man you said peter petrelli that brings me back
i was pretty young when it came out so i didnt really get into all that, is that when they brought in the traveling carnival thing?
The other significant thing about this story is that they had already resurrected Laura Kinney. So with the return of the original X-23 they have a paradox. What to do with the resurrected version. She’s not a clone. She’s actually another wolverine. So her existence in the island doesn’t break any of their laws.
That's exactly what I was thinking
The older laura is simply banned from Krakoa. Afaik, in most cases of paradox resurrections the quiet council deals with it often times by simply banning the Mutant from the island.
Older laura is simply way too important to kill off because of her time in the vault. And the possibility that her powers have evolved over time, as Mutants historically speaking, given enough time always experience secondary mutations, or evolutions of their current mutations. Means that old woman laura is simply too important from an information standpoint. Afaik Laura's healing factor while she was in the vault got dramatically stronger over time, instead of failing or getting weaker. Think there was some silly secondary mutation that also occurred, but i don't recall it.
However, to adhere to the laws of the Island, unofficially she will be exiled and monitored. Officially she might be sent into the hole like Sinister a la sins of sinister, until a time can be "proven where she isn't tainted by her time in the Children of the vault"
@@thefallencog it’s not silly. Wolverine’s healing factor would evolve too without the adamantium. Overall this is basically a cloning situation and I can’t wait for them to lose their immortality
@@SuperRONDALE Wolverines healing factor only evolves through long periods of sustained, heavy conflict where the user tends to sustain heavy injuries constantly. This is why logans healing factor went from "days recovering from getting beaten and torn apart" to healing from being disembowled in about a few minutes.
If laura/logan didn't have adamatnium their healing factors would have platued in growth, even with extreme external pressures as the Adamantium is constantly forcing the healing factor to work, and thus "maintain" its strength and evolve if being pressured to do so. Without it, its likely it would take pretty extreme measures for it to "evolve"... like spending 250 years in the vault. Where laura's healing factor actually grew considerably stronger to the point where it rival'd logans healing factor pre krakoa due to the sheer amount of constant conflict the trio would be in. However the moment that 'evolutionary pressure' was no longer present, Laura's healing factor dramatically weakened, although a fair argument to be made is that it was "siphoned off" and fed into the evolutionary process of the children of the vault. Back to about what it was before she went into the vault. If not very slightly better.
I'm just happy to see more of Darwin and hope to see more of him.
I'd love to see a tier list of Marvel's cosmic hierarchy. Reality warpers, gods and cosmic entities, characters with insane power ups, all ranked. Astral Regulator Thanos, The One Above All, HOTU Thanos, White Phoenix of the Crown, Pre-Retcon Beyonder, the Living Tribunal, God Emperor Doom, Matthew Malloy, Chaos King, Mad Jim Jaspers, the Marquis of Death. Nobody off limits. It'd be cool trying to determine if Franklin Richards could beat Michael Korvac, or who's stronger between Rune King Thor and Chaos War Hercules.
A video like that would be pretty long, and would have to cover something like 50 characters or more I'd imagine, so it's a big ask. A lot of them would be characters you've already covered in the Beyond Omega Level series, it would just be a matter of ranking them. That would be insanely awesome and I think if there's a guy on UA-cam who can do it, it's you.
I was so happy to see x-23 (with her memories) and sync reunited
The episode with them In the vault was one of my favourite issues of that run
I'd argue Darwin's current powers are only temporary. He never keeps any of his other modifications once he no longer needs them. He adapts to ANYthing, but not EVERYthing. Big difference. Once an adaptation is no longer actively needed, it's basically dead weight, so keeping it would make him less adapted.
If anything, the fact that Darwin has to go that above and beyond just to survive in the Vault shows the amount of power in play there. Effectively, they entered a feedback loop where his powers constantly adapted to try and avoid the forces of the Vault, while they constantly adapted in order to pursue him. That's inevitably going to spiral ever higher and push Darwin beyond Omega Level - BUT it also means that the opposing force exists at a similar order of magnitude...
Not really. Darwin's power is to adapt, its an outright ability. The Vaults forces however do not adapt as a matter of ability, they just take what they want and use it to improve. They are just fast learners. The Vault is more like the Borg from Star Trek, incorporating and improving. Now of course the more they improve the better they get at it and because of the time difference they have had a LOT of time to improve. Darwin can do in a second what can take them years to achieve.
The ting is with the Vault there is a simple fix and Forge is the answer to it. Its technology at play and Forge can change any technology. In theory Forge could alter the Vault itself and cause it to run time backwards inside, reverting the civilisation inside all the way back to its original state. At that point they could simply blow the damned thing up or just take it apart. Reversing a Temporal Field has been done before in Marvel, many times in fact, so this is not unreasonable. Every problem has an easy fix for Marvel, they just dont want to do it because the threat of the Children is always there and the fans like it.
@@ASavageEye It's by vastly different means, but in order to get a hold of Darwin - whose ability would be hugely benefitial for them to get and exploit - they're actively trying to "adapt" to him in the sense that they're developing technologies for that purpose.
Darwin's ability recognizes their efforts as a threat, so the better their means against him get, the more over the top his adaptation becomes. And in turn the Children become more intrigued and put even more effort in, which he again adapts to - spiralling them both higher and higher...
However, even with the Vault still around, Darwin would likely lose this immense powers as soon as they safely get him away from there. If it becomes necessary again later, he'll be able to "re-adapt" at that point - but as long as it's no immediate threat to him, there's no point for his ability to keep those adaptations up.
I thought for sure that during the first storyline involving the children of the vault and X-Men that Laura Kenny was killed during the escape and that was why it was never brought up because synk is the only one that remembers anything.
Thank you!
That's what we initially were meant to believe, yes, but when you really think about it. How are any of them going to actually kill Laura Kenny or Darwin? The CotV powerful, but those 2 are something else.
I thought they resurrected her after that using the 5 or did I misread?
@@cyberpaisa27No you're correct, they did. Cuz they thought she died.
@@TubezThe1 okay good so that's just say there is now two x23 then?
The cool thing is that we get to see the fallout from this story in the upcoming Heralds of Apocalypse series. Apparently Apocalypse and his family (Genesis, Isca, and the Four Horsemen) come back to Earth and clap the Children of the Vault's cheeks sideways and prone bone.
Look at Havok pulling an MCU Infinity War Quill move.
Thera are several Mutants that given the time and right circumstances could really reach that God hood that Darwin is at. Storm is technically already a goddess. Iceman and Jean Grey probably could. I could see Franklin Richards regaining his powers. Here a deep cut....Lifeguard, the female half of a set of twins who are themselves half mutants and half Shi'ar Royalty. Her powers are essentially the same ass darwins only she has to be conscious and works to protect others lives as well!
Yeah life guard has the potential to become omega level
They also overpowered iceman to omega at one point already iirc
Yh, she has the potential for sure. But she'll always be limited by her reaction speed. Darwin powers just do their own thing and he can control it if I'm not mistaken.
Highly doubt it but I'm hoping Vulcan makes a return he was unhinged but not unhinged enough.
@safone9607 No Darwin can't control it! His power reacts off subconscious perception. He won't know until it already happening.
Laura and Dawins story in the Vault sounds a lot like the two people from Invincible who went to another dimension and were trapped there for some time. They took over leadership there, made a life together, grew up into full adults, just to come back finally and speak little of it, if at all, afterward.
i'm surprised that you didn't hype up scott's "so don't hold back." part. genuinely smiling because he knows Perro can handle it. the momentary stress relief of not having to pull any punches must've felt good for someone that can so easily and accidentally laser his friends down
i know that you're not feeling 100%. i was totally expecting a "but, maaan. maaaaaan, lemme tell you, son" moment to happen right there
Beyond Omega Level: Icon (DC Milestone Comics)
Rob you left out the best part, because Krakoa thought Laura was dead they brought back her back-up pre vault and Proteus messed up gave her full adamantium skeleton, so now there are 2 Lauras the Young1 goes by Wolverine and OG old Lady Laura goes by Talon and they want nothing to do with each other.
Talon is like 800 years old not counting stasis sleep
Kind of goofy they're still pushing Laura to have wolverine's name since he's no longer dead, especially now that there's two of her running around.
Old Laura should have a different name. They gave the new one a different one after all.
@@torrancemoore6152 Old Lady Laura is Talon, Young Laura is Wolverine, James Howlett is now Logan as his Mutant name
Glad they're allowed Psynch and Laura a little bit of happiness. And didn't just kick him in the nuts like they do so many characters with a love interests. Forcing the scenario between him and the newly reborn x23 was definitely getting a little close to the grim dark.
Grim dark? Not even close my friend, you must not know 40k
@@NexxtTimeDontMiss Good Sir or Madam if you're going to bring up 40k be sure to be specific. Do you mean that Magnus did nothing wrong? That the space wolves hating on the Blood Angels while dealing with the curse of the wolfen themselves? Do you mean the sadness of the primarchs (currently 2) upon returning to see the current state of the imperium? The Tau's abandoning of the Farsight Enclaves to their fate? The silent King moving to consolidate the Necrons. The supposed death of Ole Bale eye to Angron? The potential futile nature of it all because the Tyranids seem to be encircling the whole galaxy? Of what myriam grim dark do you speak in 40k? I was speaking in general of the sadness pile love interests in marvel can be.
@@Gwolfsoun 😂
This story is incredible. We need more slice of life in Marvel. Exactly why I enjoy Phase 4 so much and excited for Phase 5
Slice of life is boring , there is a reason it don’t sell well
Currently binging your videos!
Happy to see a new one posted.
Sins of Sinister does carry a lingering problem, it wasn't all written away as a what if: mother righteous knows everything that happened and how to avoid the points she doesn't want to have continue into he future. And she managed to gain a hold on Storm, and Rasputin VI. So not something to completely ignore, sins of sinister
ive been so behind on comics man but your channel is bringing me back to the light lol i appreciate it.
I've always had it in my head that Darwin must be some kind of Super Mutant or something, because his power just seems like the perfect one to have in any situation.
Darwin is a god among mortals.
He can survive anything, no contest, blowup the universe and he just tanks it without needing any input of it happening.
@@youtubestudiosucks978 He can't survive Kevin Bacon.
@@1DAR26 he was a black person in a movie made by fox, not even giving him omnipotence would be enough to make him survive "the black guy dies first" trope
@@youtubestudiosucks978 he’s a black guy here too dude
@@SuperRONDALE is this made by fox?
Doctor Doom! Man, I love Doctor Doom! He's a super dictator.
I love Vulcans story line so when I see a character from it I am so so happy.
The Children of the Vault weren't an experiment to wipe out mutants, they were suppose to only emerge from their time vault once humanity and mutants were both extinct. M day caused them to release early, but they want to wipe out both mutants and humans equally. They went after the X-Men because Sabertooth told them of their existence but they also wiped out a human town to hide their existence.
Also, Cyclops said Perro was possibly as strong as Ben Grimm, The Thing, not the incredible Hulk.
The thing I always found ironically ignorant about humanity and its hatred of mutant humans, is that humanity loses its humanity to cybernetics and/or genetic manipulation to become something capable of tackling the supposed "mutant threat" and its hilarious.
BISHOP and FORGE the two non-commercial characters always overlooked.
After Cyclops learns to write in cursive, Rob be like, "Cyclops becomes a GOD!!"
I remember being so god damn annoyed while I was watching X-Men: First Class upon seeing Sebastian Shaw, of all people, straight-up body Darwin with a single attack. I know he was still figuring out his powers, but his power is passive for fuck's sake. It was just incredibly frustrating to watch. I'm glad he is getting the respect he deserves put on his name in the books right now. Cause yeah, he is easily one of the most powerful mutants in existence. He should be functionally immortal AND invulnerable to any attack, given the nature of his powers.
And I have to agree with another comment I saw saying one of the best Darwin moments was when he faced Worldbreaker Hulk and his adaptation was to GTFO as fast as possible lol. That was the right call, for sure. Who could possibly want to go toe to toe with friggin Workdbreaker Hulk? Nobody smart. That's who.
Forge wouldn't lose his intelligence he just wouldn't be inventing anything new.
When did Forge become obscure?
He builds and maintains the X-Men tech and is the reason Storm lost her powers.
You had me at Peter Petrelli
Mr. Miyagi: "No be there."
Darwin: * *
I like the children of the vault stuff but what I don’t like is that there’s somehow stronger than all the reality warpers that the mutant‘s got. Also there all evil out of nowhere.
Yea it makes no sense. Aren’t they essentially mutants anyway? And all of a sudden all mutants are weak nothings compared to them? Even Odin and the Asgardians? They’re basically the mutants version of mutants. It’s pretty ridiculous.
I think that as the C.o.t.V. evolve at least one of them will realize that they are just human mutates which essentially makes them mutants anyway! Half of their abilities are grafts from Mutants and hyper evolved. How are they different in any real way?
It amused me. Humanity wanted to kill off mutants so badly they made mutants without realizing it.
@@callmeriggy Factz!!
Seraphina is indestructible huh? Magneto: " Hold my Beer"
AND WE UP! Hope you feel better Rob!
"This isn't over. When you get to hell...I'll be waiting" is now my motto for 2023
Amazing they tied up this story like that. Perfect
Beyond omega level plastic man
Finally putting respect on Forge's name
I'm so out of the loop with these stories, the only way to catch up is by your videos. Thank you
All we need to do now, is merge Darwin, Synch, and Legion.
Stories like this are awesome. Love the development of Synch . I was sad that younger Laura really didn't care to dive into that love story 😢. But ultimately things worked out now. I dont expect old woman Laura to be here forever but it does feel good seeing them together. Would love to see a potential child born from these two😅. Isn't it weird how a literal law of krakoa is to make more mutants but non in the main cast have done so..
I prefer her older ngl
Darwin and Sync are my new favorites!
This was awesome!!! The Children of the vault are new to me!!
Day 9,956 of waiting for Beyond Omega Level Legion
I thought he did that already
Wasn't this already done?
Yes it was done. Plus rob is lazy unless he feels he needs to re do it he won’t.
@@theradicalbanana9476 no. He did too powerful for the mcu
@@Yardi22 no
When Darwin disappearates into his ethereal form butterflies where shown I wonder MISTER M reference….. I understand butterflies represent metamorphosis but perhaps it was connection at power level
Darwin is literally the human amazo
@6:37 love the heroes reference, really wish it ended better
Xmens version of The Hyperbolic Time Chamber.
you are awesome Rob
Me too Rob. I got a headache and the poos.
Beyond omega level: the divine creator
It sucks how they wrote off Darwin in that X-Men movie. "Adapt to this" So he probably did but he's not in that universe anymore. He's everywhere.
Forge was in the XMen animated series....always will remember him.
Serafina is something, dang
Came for the content, stayed for the Heroes' reference
Forge is Pickle Rick, creating universes inside of universes.
A heroes reference, I must be old cause that filled me with nostalgia 😂
Franklin is walking talking GOD
21:29 they look like Jessica and Luke
Feel better nut dude! Btw, bring back "Too powerful for the MCU! Also how about doing a new series on TEAMS that are waaaay too OP. For example. I'm going w The Annihilators. Now that Team is absolutely broken!
I did like how Darwin was brought back here and how he was used .
Random bad guys killing the entire universe/multiverse = every marvel story for the past 5 years
Bud being Ben Grim strength is most certainly not the same as being Hulk strength
All I can think is regardless of the reason Alex should know never to punch Scott in the face .
Love that humanity in their hubris to get rid of mutants the natural evolution of humanity and made mutants themselves lol
Food for though, Sunch was instrumentsl in tmSinister's development of Chymeras. Itlll come back to bite them, but Synch also gave his genome sample to Herbert Wyndham to parley a draw against him.
Omega level McGuffins 😮
The vault makes it easier to make old man charcters. So that tells me maybe this battle world coming up might be the last multiverse cross over for atleast a couple years 2 -1.5 at max lol
for some odd reason darwin brings to mind a certain GGANTIC blue wang we all know and love
Feel better rob!!
Adult x23 looks dope. I'm happy for my boy Sync🥲
The children of the vault are basically Saiyans.
Doom really went "See you in hell bitch." didn't he.
The Vault and the World made by Weapon Plus r very similiar, i think he former is a continuation of the latter. Meaning Weapon Plus is involved in it, what could be interesting what the next Weapon Plus member is that would appear in it.
rob seems unaware that now there are 2 x23s
naughty bits lmao thats great
Honestly this makes X-Men First Class even more offensive.
They killed off the one mutant that arguably match God, capital G God, pound for pound in abilities. _And they did it with a bunch of twirly energy._
...
It's been 11 years, and i will not forget what they did to my boy.
Couldnt magneto just control sarafina? Be like a metal puppet for him to control
Children of the Vault: "We will torture you the end of your existence."
Darwin: >stops existing<
Children of the Vault: "... _wow that was quick."_
Darwin: _"Yeah my body tends to do that. :)"_
Did Havok just Peter Quill it up? Yes he did....
Get well Rob!
Im feeling the stomach bug too Rob
Got my stomach sounding like the Seinfeld theme song
That was a badass story.
I’m back from a long lay off due to health related issues. Feeling great now! Now to start up my request again. Bob’s Layton’s decade spanning Hercules in space would be awesome to cover. Goofy fun story, plus Galactus gets drunk. What’s not to like?