Euthia: Torment of Resurrection Review - My RPG Childhood Arrives?

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  • Опубліковано 5 лис 2024

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  • @Shelfside
    @Shelfside  2 роки тому +19

    Quick correction: Essences do NOT refresh at the beginning of rounds, they're discarded once spent. This doesn't change the overall score at all, but might actually raise my personal score to a 6/10 given another play. Cheers guy, and thanks to the comments for spurring me to read the rulebook again -Ashton

    • @sonderby
      @sonderby 2 роки тому +12

      I think you should edit your video a bit and correct this best possible as it gives a very negative impression of the game (and mentioned a few times), when it was actually a rules mistake you weren't aware of at the time. Without checking the comment section many would watch the video and walk away with that negative impression of the rules (I nearly did!)

    • @jtfike
      @jtfike 9 місяців тому

      Your game experience totally changes with this one rule change. Question for you. Do you still own it? And play it?

    • @sirenspear
      @sirenspear 9 місяців тому

      Man, lol. That's such a big rule to get wrong. It completely, COMPLETELY breaks the game. Being able to use that every single round without having to farm more is absolutely crazy.

  • @IslanKleinknecht
    @IslanKleinknecht 2 роки тому +27

    I feel like there's more and more board games trying to give that video game experience, which /can/ be nice, but there's an invisible line where the amount of overhead or focus or component bloat would've just worked better as a video game.

    • @DeyaViews
      @DeyaViews 2 роки тому +4

      Yeah. I once tried making a board game inspired by Crusader Kings II (years before the official one got announced), but the amount of stuff we had to keep track of (armies in regions, tradeable resources, technologies researched, miracles performed, and so on) got so much. We had a bunch of spreadsheets just to keep track of everything.
      I think it can be done well in board games, but it should focus on the medium's strengths. Board games are tactile, but don't automate maths like a video game's programming does. Board games should *feel* good if you want to adapt the video game experience to the tabletop medium properly.

    • @crushingit5128
      @crushingit5128 2 роки тому

      Agreed. Watching the KS for Darkest Dungeon, I constantly asked myself why not just play the video game. The boardgame didn't even seem to try to play like a boardgame. It just copied the video game, including all the overhead stats and modifiers

    • @davidsanchez-bu9un
      @davidsanchez-bu9un 6 місяців тому +2

      Something positive that playing this kind of video games converted to boardgames would be you do need to use a computer. If you have been working 8 hours in front an screen + checking your mobile on comuting......., playing a "video game" boardgame could be a solution.

  • @piotrjasik2835
    @piotrjasik2835 2 роки тому +10

    Mage knight looks very similar to this, having card combat/actions instead of dice and tokens

    • @IslanKleinknecht
      @IslanKleinknecht 2 роки тому +2

      Glad to see I'm not the only one reminded of Mage Knight, a lot of the iconography looks very similar.

    • @bilcorp1
      @bilcorp1 2 роки тому +1

      there are a lot of similarities with MK (both games are from Chech authors), but flow of game diferent. euthia is open space and u can do anything. in MK u are pushed to move in specific direction...

    • @kosterix123
      @kosterix123 2 роки тому +1

      Why play mk when you have Zerywia

  • @kosterix123
    @kosterix123 2 роки тому +1

    I never grow tired of watching euthia videos. No desire to be physically near a box larger than me though.

  • @BigBlack20
    @BigBlack20 9 місяців тому +1

    I like this video, very clear and quick. Thank you man. Can't wait for my game to come

  • @valacan
    @valacan 2 роки тому +1

    Great review! I'm mostly about lore and character so finding out there's no plot there really saves me a ton of money on the new Kickstarter.

  • @wicaksonoadi1035
    @wicaksonoadi1035 2 роки тому +4

    I think it's obvious that Euthia got huge influence from Heroes of Might & Magic (HoMM), just like Mage Knight. Do you know that the name of the kingdom in HoMM is Erathia? LOL.
    Even though this game looks impressive, I'm going to stick with my Mage Knight Ultimate Edition (my #1 game of all time), and wait for the HoMM III: The Board Game to be released in 2022. Funny thing is, at first glance HoMM III: The Board Game components look very similar to Mage Knight, each map tile are 7 hexagons, etc.

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому +1

      oh wow, well would you look at that, even more inspiration besides the world of warcraft :)
      Mage Knight is a plenty good option to stick with, and I keep hearing more and more on HoMM! Need to investigate further -Ashton

  • @Venturello
    @Venturello 2 роки тому +2

    Can’t make up my mind if I want to buy this!! Got an offer but it is A LOT of money as I didn’t get into the KS!

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому

      I really do think its great! Worth the money if you can get it to the table multiple times with the setup size and all that. Also great if you play a lot of solo and can't get enough of mixing/matching those items. Hope this helped! -Ashton

    • @Venturello
      @Venturello 2 роки тому

      @@Shelfside thanks for reply. Worried about balance and how much of a challenge it will hold up to be. Your impression for example of mages being underpowered (granted you didn’t play them much). I appreciated how difficult - and rewarding it is to start mastering - Mage Knight was. Different game very much! I’d likely play solo for the most part. And it seems further scenarios get more interesting - you guys only played first few, right? Didn’t get to elementals?
      With the organizer, how long did it take you to table?

  • @neo019
    @neo019 2 роки тому +4

    Loved the review!
    @24:05 Quests are known once the map tile is revealed (so essentially you do know what the quests available are), still not the risk/reward expected but better ;)

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому +1

      aah thanks for the clarification! Cheers! -Ashton

    • @lightwire123
      @lightwire123 2 роки тому

      i'm glad someone noticed xD

  • @paulstaker8861
    @paulstaker8861 2 роки тому +1

    *looks at my Tiny Epic Quest box in the corner*

  • @tobyr21
    @tobyr21 2 роки тому

    Thanks for a lot of great comments, especially the CONS, which will help me decide how to houserule my first games. I will use a small cribbage board instead od the board that tracks turns and points, saving a lot of space. - toby

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому

      sure thing! Glad ya appreciated it. Would definitely recommend trying for a scenario past the first one if you want to feel the true access to each character's tile tree. And then make sure you get all the rules down, especially essences and fighting! Cheers! -Ashton

  • @harmarize
    @harmarize 2 роки тому +6

    Im pretty sure essences are discarded when used. It would be way overpowered if you could use them once per round and not discard them.

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому +1

      heyo! Thanks so much for this comment- it spurred me to read the rulebook again. So it turns out that we were right on how you don't discard essences, but they don't get refreshed every round! Will make a pinned comment addressing this -Ashton

    • @harmarize
      @harmarize 2 роки тому

      @@Shelfside I was reading over the rule book trying to find the answer. Can you tell me which page it was on that you found the answer?

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому +1

      @@harmarize It was a really wrap-around way to find it. The essences on page 19 of the appendix don't really explain it, so you have to go all the way to 'start of turn' on page 9, where it says that every turn you ready exhausted items, abilities, and gems. But it never mentions readying exhausted essences, so I figured that essences are exclusively one time use. The rulebook ordering and clarification could certainly use some work :) -Ashton

  • @wheelskis
    @wheelskis 2 роки тому +2

    Watched the first 25 seconds, and it looks like the Heroes of Might and Magic III board game Kickstarter, minus the towns and units.

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому +2

      that game looks awesome! Art looks a lot more 'bright' as opposed to Euthia. Thanks for pointing out to me -Ashton

    • @wheelskis
      @wheelskis 2 роки тому

      @@Shelfside the computer game is one of the only games I return to from my childhood. There are mods now and people get pretty into it. I only play it once every year or two, but it stands the test of time. It was am excellent turn-based strategy. I am a little doubtful that the boardgame will do anything the game doesn't. It has risk of just being a watered down version of the PC game. However, buying a fan of the franchise for over 25 years, I will probably end up getting it.

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому

      @@wheelskis watered down version of the PC is definitely possible, I'm always concerned with component overload with these board game adaptations of video games. Cheers! -Ashton

  • @IslanKleinknecht
    @IslanKleinknecht 2 роки тому +5

    Out of curiousity, Shelfside, have you tried out Mage Knight? It seems a lot like this, but a lot smaller (and I remember how big MK looked back in the day)

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому +3

      I have! Long long time ago, hopefully I get the recollection right here.
      This actually felt less solitaire than mage knight. I remember MK had a lot more card play though, this one emphasizes more on chunking out your character with all those tiles and essences -Ashton

  • @Roberto-ku6ou
    @Roberto-ku6ou 2 роки тому +5

    I love this game. After a few games, set up and rules are much easier. It's a lot of components but you don't use all of it at once.

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому +1

      Awesome! Yeah the whole buying/selling at shops is MAD satisfying. Plus replayability is freaking insane. Hope ya got to all of the 35+ EXP tiles -Ashton

  • @IndianaGeologist
    @IndianaGeologist 2 роки тому +2

    Thank you for an amazing review. You've saved me a ton of time and money. The game intrigues me, but the set up and cost confirms this game is not for me. Great video!!

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому +1

      Thank you! Make sure you check out our pinned comment for the rules clarifications, to see if that changes your opinion. Cheers! -Ashton

  • @tobyr21
    @tobyr21 2 роки тому

    regarding the semi-cooperative aspects: I think that the game Legends of Void handles this better. If the players fail to beat the bosses, they "lose" the game, but one of them still wins. It's possible to torpedo the efforts to kill the last boss late in the game in order to salvage a losing win. in Euthia, it sounds like there is no "win" if the boss is not defeated, but a houserule could handle that.

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому

      That sounds like a great idea! Perhaps have some sort of 'side' victory condition if some player wants to sabotage the group, or sandbag attacking. Or it could be that the last hit gets a whole bunch of reputation. Reminds me a bit of cutthroat caverns! -Ashton

    • @tobyr21
      @tobyr21 2 роки тому

      @@Shelfside In Legends of Void, if the bosses are not destroyed, then the victory points are calculated differently, making for some very interesting late game decisions. - toby

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому

      ​@@tobyr21Thanks for sharing! Maybe in the next euthia something will be implemented -Ashton

  • @yourbeardlybro5887
    @yourbeardlybro5887 2 роки тому +13

    Gloomhaven: "I have so many pieces and I appear intimidating to learn and set up"
    Euthia: "lol"

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому +5

      euthia: oh you want tiles? you want TILES?

  • @ChazDungFly
    @ChazDungFly 2 роки тому +4

    You don't keep the essence, the are very powerful one off effects, you use them in combat to add whatever the effect is, effectively in the same way you use them to unlock a slot, the language isn't very clear in the rulebook, they probably should have used the word spend or discard ..... No wonder combat was easy 😂

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому

      ahaha thanks for clarifying! Yep, have realized that after cracking the rulebook open recently. The wording definitely tripped us up while playing. Cheers! -Ashton

  • @1teamski
    @1teamski 2 роки тому

    A VERY long game that was ok with my group. Our 4 player game of the first scenario took over 6 hours! My character never developed enough be competitive with level 2 monsters. I don't know if I could have. I actually quit playing before the game ended because it was useless to do so. I will need to try the game again to see if this is an on-going issue. I know the others (all experienced gamers) could barely beat anything by the end of the game. Then again, we didn't know that you can re-use essences......mmmmmm.....

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому +1

      Oh, so first off, you CANNOT re-use essences, that is totally my fault. So you played it correctly!
      But thanks for sharing! The game is pretty darn long for sure, 4p sounds like something mighty fierce.
      On our first play, we could not kill anything at all! It was only until the 2nd play we really started to get it going. -Ashton

    • @1teamski
      @1teamski 2 роки тому

      @@Shelfside Thanks for the clarification. You are probably right about getting strategies straight over several gameplays.....

  • @EfrainRiveraJunior
    @EfrainRiveraJunior 2 роки тому +1

    Those minis look fantastic.

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому

      they look so beautiful. Wish every game had them, really do -Ashton

  • @Thomas-kx9op
    @Thomas-kx9op 2 роки тому +1

    Many Thanks for the review!

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому

      cheers! And make sure you check the pinned comment on correction on essences :) -Ashton

    • @Thomas-kx9op
      @Thomas-kx9op 2 роки тому

      @@Shelfside I did, but the game looks like it needs some more development time.
      Some of the tiles also look like they should have been cards to save size and weight.

  • @Madnetz
    @Madnetz 2 роки тому

    Sooo I think you're gonna get a lot of comparisons to Mage Knight here. This looks like a streamlined but kickstarterified version of the old Vlaada classic

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому

      definitely! Makes me want to play mage knight again :3 -Ashton

  • @AFatalPapercut
    @AFatalPapercut 2 роки тому

    Really wish i would've backed the legendary box too....this is gonna be ridiculous trying to play without the storage lol.

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому

      ohhh man, i would suggest getting at least the square tile holders if possible. The setup/takedown for those stacks (they fall over all the time) was not fun in our trial game without the legendary box. Best of luck! -Ashton

  • @tomsule
    @tomsule Рік тому

    Great review! The scoring is true.

  • @FredzGreen
    @FredzGreen 2 роки тому

    Wow what a monster review, still confused whether I should get this game. If I played computer games then it would be easy, but I want to stay away from the computer. So is the game an 8 out of 10 or a 5 out 10? Thanks I think setup and teardown decided it for me but that's a shame I really wanted to like this game.

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому

      Hey man! So I think the game is overall an 8/10 in what it's trying to do, as we critically evaluate the pros/cons talked about. In non-KS releases, this would typically be called a 'recommender score' instead of a 'tentative score'.
      The 5/10 is just how I personally feel about the game, that is average, and that doesn't critically weigh any pros/cons.
      The setup and takedown are an absolute beast, I would highly recommend getting the nice tile holders and component trays included if you do pick it up. Definitely think it gives a computer game feeling without the computer, but hey, comes at the cost of just a bunch of things going on component wise. Cheers! -Ashton

    • @yozhikas
      @yozhikas 2 роки тому

      You can try this game for free online on Tabletopia. Some skills and items might not be up to date, but it's damn worth the time anyway. I still play the digital version more often than the physical one, because this game is massive and requires a lot of time. 4 players, Defending the settlements snenario, 10 hours

  • @razzendahcuben
    @razzendahcuben 2 роки тому +3

    Good review. Is the setup more tedious than Hoomglaven? Seems like they're similar. Which tells me you must just consider Hoomglaven a better game to make the setup worth it.

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому +2

      Thanks Keith! I actually haven't set up base gloomhaven by myself, but from observing daniel quite a bit, Gloom/hoomhaven setup is less time to setup than this, since you're not required to setup quite so many little stacks of cards and tiles. At least Euthia comes with an organization method which really really helped.
      Gloomhaven also has more of an emphasis on keeping it out to play multiple scenarios, the scenarios in Euthia are definitely more independent so there's no linking story or progression between scenarios -Ashton

  • @mattkutrik
    @mattkutrik 11 місяців тому

    Great review! Yeah, the essence use was incorrect, but looking at BGG, it maybe doesn't even state that in the manual (I don't have the manual, so I don't know). Yeah, you may flip over the quests as you reveal them on the map. Both of these weren't enough for me to basically say I wish I had watched this before I went all-in on the 2nd edition. I was hoping for an offline RPG I could play, but this honestly seems like too much to me. As a solo player mainly, this does look like a great game for that, but just not for me. I'd rather take in a smaller session playing something less complex like The Witcher Old World and save the more complex setups for a video game. I think I probably won't even unbox this one due to the real-estate of the game and just keep it boxed to sell. Appreciate the extensive review!

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  11 місяців тому +1

      Cheers man! It's been a while since I covered this one, so all the memories are coming back. Glad this helped ya -Ashton

  • @decboy3208
    @decboy3208 2 роки тому

    This looks more expensive than ti4 and looks pretty fun… and complex
    Also I would appreciate if you did a dominion ,intrigue expansion review you don’t have to but it would be helpful I’m getting a dominion big box and I want to see if it’s good because there are not any good or any reviews reviews on UA-cam right now.
    I’m just asking don’t have to do it at all just a suggestion :)

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому

      Thanks! The next Dominion review is gonna be the recent expansions. I haven't played intrigue, but I played a dominion big box with prosperity and alchemy and really liked it! I am super biased towards dominion anyways, love recommending it in general to people :) -Ashton

  • @bornTwoFight
    @bornTwoFight 2 роки тому +1

    Thanks for the review, I cancelled my pledge after seeing this. I will stick to my beloved Mage Knight. Too much stuff to handle.

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому

      cheers! Please make sure you read the pinned comments to clarify the rules. Lots of rules in this game ahaha. -Ashton

  • @lightwire123
    @lightwire123 2 роки тому +1

    after watching the video and reading the comments I can see that you folks were not ready to post this video lol after realizing all of your mistakes would you increase the scores?

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому

      heyo! I believe the only mistake we made so far was the essence discarding and the quest revealing. Would not change the overall score, but may raise my personal score a tad. -Ashton

    • @lightwire123
      @lightwire123 2 роки тому

      @@Shelfside right. my point was that those were huge xD

  • @PsychicLord
    @PsychicLord 2 роки тому +2

    My favourite reviewer :)

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому

      thanks man! Appreciate it :3 -Ashton

  • @IskandarStrategist1689
    @IskandarStrategist1689 2 роки тому

    For the solo gamers this very good right?

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому

      Definitely has a solo gamer appeal over multiplayer, but does function as multiplayer fine, and isn't that solitaire overall -Ashton

  • @kombainasable
    @kombainasable 2 роки тому +3

    you seem to have went into this with very high expectations. I only expected this to be a MK-like game easier to bring to table in MP mode(s) and I think it delivers being just as fun solo, and I think actual amount of rules to learn as a player as long as one player knows everything is very manageable. you certainly do not need to learn everything being 2nd+ player. heck, I'd say understanding movement, and why you want to build up (endgoal), showing market to show how you can get stronger is ALL you need to join a game and learn everything else as you go.

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому +1

      cheers for sharing! We actually had a pretty manageable experience in playing with newcomers for sure, as long as tackled the rulebook first. As for my enjoyment, the setup/takedown/component fuss do really hamper the score, but I would be down to play again, hence the average personal score. Overall though, actually impressed with the game's design! -Ashton

  • @andreiplayz2467
    @andreiplayz2467 2 роки тому

    Got a mage knight vibe from this.
    You guys should review mage knight hahaha

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому

      for sure, they certainly look very similar! But not sure about reviewing mage knight anytime soon :) -Ashton

  • @mateuszwasielewski7193
    @mateuszwasielewski7193 6 місяців тому

    21:40 that's not true. Using essence means discarding it

  • @lp9092
    @lp9092 2 роки тому

    This seems like a mash up between too many bones and Mage Knight.

  • @RickGrundy
    @RickGrundy 2 роки тому

    Great review, thanks

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому

      thanks! Please note that I did mess up on the essences, there's a fix pinned in the comments! -Ashton

  • @BrettspielSnob
    @BrettspielSnob 2 роки тому +1

    Awesome. Excactly what I thought of the game. Where is the story/the lore. The quests are ridiculous and it is always about fight fights fights..

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому +1

      I think the fighting fighting was intentional, but yeah, just a bit more flavor would be greatly appreciated, all of the art is there for it! Cheers! -Ashton

  • @fightingkitchen7960
    @fightingkitchen7960 2 роки тому

    5th!

  • @prestonharris7406
    @prestonharris7406 2 роки тому

    Is it just me or is this game pretty much like a better version of World of Warcraft the board game?

    • @Shelfside
      @Shelfside  2 роки тому

      never played WoW the board game, but I got major WoW feelings while playing this bahaha -Ashton

  • @A._J_.
    @A._J_. 2 роки тому

    Euthia: Box Full of Art (oh yeah, there's a children's game in the box, too). Please tell me you didn't pay for this.

    • @dextersamson8286
      @dextersamson8286 2 роки тому +1

      Wow, I bet you couldn't even laugh at that pathetic attempt at comedy.

  • @ABIGPLAN
    @ABIGPLAN 2 роки тому

    This looks like someone's first board game they made. Newbie designers always try to put in and involve as much of components as possible.