"You are gods..." What Did Jesus Mean?
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- Опубліковано 6 жов 2021
- In my opinion, one of the most misunderstood passages in the gospels is in John 10:33-36 when Jesus is talking to the Pharisees. It says, “We are not stoning you for any good work,” they replied, “but for blasphemy, because you, a mere man, claim to be God.” Jesus answered them, “Is it not written in your Law, ‘I have said you are “gods”’? If he called them ‘gods,’ to whom the word of God came-and Scripture cannot be set aside- what about the one whom the Father set apart as his very own and sent into the world? Why then do you accuse me of blasphemy because I said, ‘I am God’s Son’?"
What did Jesus mean when he said the phrase, "you are gods"? Many people claim this is a verse saying that humans were meant to be gods, but this is against everything Jesus and Scripture stood for. Pastor Mike helps bring clarity.
We both understand there are different understandings of this passage. I'd recommend checking out Dr. Michael Heiser's research about this as well.
There are a lot of scriptures that are used to support WoF (Word of Faith) new age/new thought teachings. This is just one and the ones that I see mostly misused in churches and from new age/new thought teachers.
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We both understand there can be different understandings of this passage. However, compared to Psalm 82 it becomes clearer.
Bottom line... its definitely *not* saying humans are gods. This contradicts the entirety of scripture, not to mention undermines the identity of God Himself.
I'd recommend checking out Dr. Michael Heiser's research about this as well for another perspective. Thanks for watching everyone! 🤓
Can you give us a specific link? There’s a lot of his teaching out there. Thanks!
@@robinette64 sure! This is a good start: ua-cam.com/video/w7QjE07i8KQ/v-deo.html
@@imWillJ Brother, I think you have to Re-watch the video. Jesus spoke in many parables and metaphors, and also in the old testament. Everything I could explain is basically what brother Mike here said. So I just want to tell you that when you read God's word, you can't just read it to read it. You have to pray about what you are reading and ask for revelation from the Spirit to show you what His word means. Calling ourselves gods first of all is very self-exalting and taking from God's glory which He does not a share. Most Christians in this country believe they are entitled to everything they want. But what about the poor Christians in 3rd world countries? If they are gods then why don't they just speak clean water into existence? Or a warm meal into existence? Or shoes, clothing, etc. We sometimes think that we should get everything we want because we are used to having all these blessings already that we don't realize we have. God bless.
@@imWillJ You seem very deranged, angry, and proud.... I hope you will really try to take yourself out of the gospel and study it for what it means and repent someday. I would really like to suggest listening to some good pastors on UA-cam and maybe take a break from apologetics. Tony Evans, Tim Keller, and Robert Morris are some good ones....
@@MelissaDougherty I’ve been listening to a couple of his videos on this. It sounds a LOT like John Mark Comer’s “Creational Monotheism “ which Chris Rosebrough debunked as heresy about 8 years ago. Not sure what to make of this.
Dr Michael Heiser has the absolute best teaching on this topic. It just connects all the dots so to speak.
Yep
facts!
@@josephpchajek2685Heiser? How.
I've listened to Heiser and his explanation that elohim is never used to refer to living human beings makes complete sense as we see in Psalm 82. The question is why would Jesus quote Psalm 82 in John 10:34 to refer to men if elohim only refers to inhabitants of the spiritual realm?
If we are 'gods" then we leave a lot to be desired...
I mean it's Satan working in there lives bc he hates us so basically his characteristics are going into these people
Yep
We're not gods we are children of God don't buy into that word of faith junk.
People don’t properly understand the art and science of prayer and the 3rd commandment, that’s why they lack Godliness
@@johnathanshell8190 Jesus taught that which is born of Spirit _is_ spirit. His teachings on faith and prayer also support word-faith community
It's logical. We cannot create angels, people, planets etc. Thus we can ONLY be children of God, created by God to BE His children. . That was always my outlook on what the people said about these scriptures.
We are created to rule alongside him and take care of his creation so we can share in that love. He’s more than capable of doing everything on his own and doesn’t need us but because he’s so loving and gracious he wants us to experience that love.
Yes!..And only if we accept Jesus payment for our sins on the cross
You would think it be logical, but we don’t want to “ just humans”, we want to be superstars, w powers and magical beings. I came from new age too. I’m embarrassed and ashamed I thought this. I feel stupid… still.
@@carlyerekson2035 no worries. You know? Most of us feel stupid for following the wrong believe systems. I was longtime in a church that totally ignore the Holy Spirit, the OT prophets and Revelation. The Rapture for instance came as a HUGE surprise to me😊 God bless you and yours.
@@carlyerekson2035 praise God you’ve been redeemed!
I always appreciate how succinct Pastor Mike is. I think I found his channel through you. Thanks for that!
This was a good summary of that scripture. I'm with you Mike!
Finally! A sane biblical explanation of Psalms 82 and John 10. Thank you!
Please check Michael Heisner and John Piper on Psalm 82 and the passages in John.
Thank you, Melissa, for bringing such great teaching to us.
Just read that puzzling passage yesterday morning and went to Psalm 82. Thanks for the snippet teaching on this passage in John 10.
Psalm 82 is a great example of God rebuking celestial rulers over the earth, assigned some time after Babel (Genesis 10-11, Deuteronomy 32), who did not rule according to His purposes but according to their own. They became corrupt and accepted human worship apart from God and practically erased the memory of the true God from the nations, until Jesus showed up. Unseen realm, I recommend it too even if I don’t agree with some of Dr Heiser’s positions on Genesis.
I was having this on my mind lately. Thank God, our Lord Jesus Christ grace be with us.
I’m so glad others out there know we’re not gods, and that God called things that be not as though they were. We can’t speak or create any thing! If we could speak things into existence, the world wouldn’t be big enough to house all this stuff!
@@ReverendElation wow!!! How long did it take you too come up with that? What have you spoken into existence? Just curious.🤷🏽♀️🤔
Actually I typed it from the keyboard that’s already in existence!
@@ReverendElation I have faith in The God of my salvation! I takes Him at His Word, not philosophical rants, then throw a little scripture in for good measure!
@@janicewhouston what about Matthew 7: 7-8? I’ve always wondered about those verses…I don’t think the biblical take of “law of attraction” is that I, myself, have the power to manifest. Personally, I think of it more as I have so much faith in God’s works I can pray with confidence He will give me what I need, which might not align with what I “think” I need. At the same time, I don’t want to go into it so pessimistically that I doubt something is possible. I strongly believe doubt can cancel out good works.
Have you read the lost gospels of thomas
Thanks Pastor Mike. Best short refutation I've heard. The Romans 13 connection was really eye-opening for me - Ps 82 could also be a warning to our current rulers. Thanks also for emphasizing Ps 82.8 which reminded me of Ps 2.8
We are gods! Government does not represent God. Pastor Mike is a dope.
That is a very good question and a very good answer. Thanks. God bless.
I love this Chanel. I also need to follow this man. You guys explained one scripture that troubled me. 👍
Nice thanks for covering the topic
Great video! Short & sweet, to the core of the matter! Thank you! Shared🥰🇱🇰
We belong to God,we are his creation,his children 🙏
All are His creation but only those who receive Christ as their Savior are His children. God bless.
YES, AMEN! Seeing the deception on this makes me ill. Thank you both for speaking on this clearly!
Wow, thanks so much for this...God bless you!!
What a brilliant breakdown! Thanks!
In ancient times, kings, emperors and holy men in high positions of power (ie high priests/priestesses) were revered as gods amongst their people, or incarnations of gods. This was common practice dating back to Mesopotamia unless I’m very much mistaken. The Roman Empire and Egyptians did this too I believe?
Whenever I see that passage I always assume that’s the kind of thing Jesus is referring to, gods as in a position of high power and authority politically speaking.
Still, Mike’s explanation also hits the nail on the head. Satan said man can be gods, and look how well that turned out in Genesis.
Catholics dont think the pope is a god amongst men
@@chamberlain8857 my apologies, he is considered God’s representative on earth, not God Himself
@ canonviewer. I particularly like your last sentence about the saying of Satan in Eden. It makes it even more clear ! I felt always some ironical tint in what Jesus then said, refering to Ps 82.
He was telling this to jews not the king
@@mmmftyuhddvb exactly he’s telling this to the Pharisees not to some rulers, so Jesus, his audience was obvious the Pharisee s. So you are correct 100 percent people just twist things around just to try to make it fit their paradigm.
Ha! I'm getting ready to preach on this passage Sunday! :)
There are many meanings. But when I read the whole psalm this is what I feel the spirit of the scripture is saying.
-Live righteously, be godly to your fellow man, honor your covenants and your Lord’s name sake. Stand in need for those in need of comfort. Be like God by doing his will and keeping his commandments.
-Be Godly or be worldly and be judged accordingly.
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Go a little deeper. Have you read the gospels of thomas
We are gods...
Correct! This is how sons of God are supposed to represent Him on this earth. The benefit is not only for us, but for the World. Adam was originally intended to be a representative of God on the earth, but the Fall into sin ruined this. God had a plan before creation to put it all back right, the way it was originally supposed to be. If we understood this better, I think it would be a powerful weapon against falling into sin. Because we are coming back with Christ to rule and reign during the millennium. So we should be practicing now while we're here.
Great video! Thank you for sharing.
Awesome video. 2 of my fave bible teachers
This was awesome you 2 God bless y’all
This blessed me so much
See Heiser on Psalm 82. Also study the word elohim and all the times it's referenced to others than the Most High. Also see Deuteronomy 32. And Psalm 89, as well as the story of the Tower of Babel. Don't forget to check out Genesis 6:1-4 and look at the sons of God!
Heiser is so wrong on this. Read all of Deuteronomy 32. The "sons of God" are the Israelites not some sort lesser gods.
@@UnderTheFloor79 You are correct all but verse 8 in Deuteronomy 32 is referring to Israel. Verse 8 is a commentary on Genesis 11. Verse 9 and 10 then go into a commentary of Genesis 12 and the beginning of God's chosen people through Abram. What's confusing and problematic and cause for debate is why separate people according to the number of the sons of Israel if at the tower of babel Israel does not exist? The idea is that God's portion started through Abram, but God didn't forget about all the other nations. He, The Most High God, appointed spiritual beings (type of guardian angels if you will) that were supposed to watch over and guide the nations. Psalm 82 is judgment against these sons of God for dealing treacherously with the nations. Psalm 89:5-8 continues this idea. Throughput second temple biblical writings 'sons of God' language is used for this 'Divine Council' idea. The Ugaritic texts found in 1922 show that the Divine council was a common concept among the Ancient East. Dead sea scrolls found in 1947 dating back to the 2nd century bc, have 'sons of God' wording which all gives credence to Divine council concepts throughout the Old Testament
@@73tatu You are using pagan literature as a lense to interpret and shoe horn scripture. There never was a divine council of gods to rule the nations.
The objection to Deuteronomy 32:8 being about Israel because they didn't exist at the tower of Babel is strange. Does God not know the future? Can he not plan ahead and bring his plans to pass?
@@UnderTheFloor79 Actually I have quite a lot of translations in Bible & have a Catholic + Orthodox Bibles as well. In some translations it's mentioned as Sons of Israel, Sons of God, Heavenly beings & in another translation its mentioned as "To each nation, he assigned a god". Plus if it only meant human rulers, why in Psalm 82 it's mentioned as "You will die like Men?". It's a comparison of two different natures
@@UnderTheFloor79 Dude, the New Testament mentions "the rulers in high places". They cannot be called rulers if they don't have some type of power. Ephesians alone fits perfectly in the "divine council worldview" but your interpretation doesn't. Drop your post-enlightenment presuppositions and come to understand the view of the israelites and 1st century jews.
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Look at Dr. Michael Heizer’s teaching on this passage. Completely different.
Yes the divine counsel is where the deeper meaning of the passage is understood..
Same thing I was going to post. Dr Heizers teaching I think is more encompassing of themes and issues in the Bible. We live in a supernatural world
Did Dr Heiser explain that the spiritual rulers were behind (influencing) the human rulers?
Dr Micheal Heiser is sometimes not exegertically sound he makes alot of assumptions he carefully often walks out of context and says his thoughts I have listen to him too.Just saying.
@@k.bungong9665 Give an example
The hebrew word elohim is used often as a name of God but it is about a plurality of power. This is part of the reason why the word is used to refer to the council of judges which are set up as a part of the government of Israel according to the Torah. Understanding that this word is specifically about an attribute and not just a name helps bring better context to this issue. The Complete Jewish Bible translation does a good job of noting this so that those who read English can understand it better.
A psalm of Asaf: Elohim [God] stands in the divine assembly; there with the elohim [judges], he judges:
Tehillim (Psa) 82:1 CJB
Who are the judges in the divine assembly? Are they humans or spiritual beings? If they are human than why the charge that they will die like mortals in verse 7? Why is Elohim translated God and not judges, if elohim can be either God or judges? Do elohim and shofet both mean judges? Doesn't use of the word elohim suggest the nature of those that are being judged in the divine assembly for judging incorrectly? Or is it God that established them as elohim as an extension of His rule? Or are they setting themselves up as elohim in their own eyes because they are judges?
@@73tatu divine assembly is maybe not the best translation.
this is the best answer
I share Pastor Mike's view. But listening to this explanation I learned even more. He's way more eloquent in explaining. I truly appreciate channel's like this one helping us to critically and biblically understand things.
This is great stuff
Might want to read Mike Heiser's book 'The Unseen Realm,' particularly chapter four, the first couple of pages before flat out saying that these are humans. Elohim are not people at all, ever.
Exodus 7:1 Moses is called Elohim. The English adds "like" but it's not in the Hebrew.
@@biblicalanarchy13 Yeah, I'm going to stick with Heiser on this one, especially since he explains that exact passage in chapter 28 of the same book. Not only that, chapter 4 asks some questions about these being people/men/Jewish leaders, that have to be answered that lead to heresy.
@@ericsmith7287 To be fair, they lead to heresy in Christianity. But Christianity is a heresy of Judaism. So obviously, an orthodox Jewish interpretation will be heretical to a Christian.
The problem with Heiser is he starts with a provably false statement. Humans, according to him, are never called sons of God. Exodus 4:22 says "Israel is my son, my firstborn." He ignores that because it's a heresy to Christianity.
More importantly, if Jesus didn't see that verse as calling humans gods, then why would he quote it to humans saying it called them gods? Heiser doesn't answer that question, nor can he. I have his book btw.
@@biblicalanarchy13 Jesus isn't saying that humans were called gods. Jesus is claiming that He is elohim and not just some elohim but Yahweh.
If Ps 82 speaks about humans how isn't Jesus contradicting His claims about equality with the Father? Ps 82 in John 10 would sound like this "Jesus: guys don't get angry that I make Myself God, even humans were called gods in the Old Testament". That goes directly against Jesus's claims to be God.
@dimitartodorov4826 Jesus never claimed to be God, other than here.
I appreciate his comment about the key to understanding this passage as a contrast and not comparison. That is a nice, simple, and succinct way to put it.
Very eye opening🖒 so very well done🙆💞🙏
thanks for this, i always had a hard time with this part of the scripture
Great now I know how to refute this argument.
Thank you for helping us understand scripture in the proper text. I was in the, “word of faith,” church (new age church) for over 20 years and had no idea it was wrong, I did however suspect something was off. I just started figuring it out in 2019. Your video’s have helped me so much. What are your thoughts on Jerry Savelle’s teaching? After I saw your video on Kenneth Copeland it answered a lot of questions for me because the church I have now left followed all kenneth’s teachings.
Jerry Savelle: I have known Jerry Savelle before his affair and divorce from his first wife. (A long time ago). He is an apprentice of Kenneth Copeland. He aligns himself with Copeland's teachings.
One day I stood before Jerry Savelle for prayer for herniated discs in my neck. What did he do? He put his hands on my head, popped my neck and shoved/forced me down. If God had slain me, I would have been helpless to stay on my feet. But since God did not slay me and make me fall I wouldn't go down until Savelle pushed me down causing great pain. So much pain, i could hardly get up by myself. I was so angry! What a phony...
Ma'am, You said you will come up with some videos on reincarnation, It'll be super helpful for people like me, I'm from India.
God bless your heart..
Hi! It takes many many hours of research, writing, filming and editing to make a video. My family time comes first, so I appreciate your patience while I research this very nuanced and time consuming topic to make sure I make a quality video.
@@MelissaDougherty No problem, Ma'am. Please take your time, I was just excited and wondering when will it come..
@The Church of Repentance and who gave you the right to judge him if his a sinner or not you hardly know him and what makes u not sinful too
We are His.
Hallelujah!
Even if people just read the rest of the passage in John it’s obvious that merely calling Himself the Son of God is enough blasphemy to get Jesus killed. Clearly psalm 82 cannot refer to humans as “gods” the way that the new age defines it because if scripture supported that notion nobody would have batted an eyelid at Jesus.
We are God's ❤, because Christ lives in us❤and defeated death on the cross❤❤
Really grateful you shared this I wish he would’ve went in depth in done the hour on it. Thanks 🙏
This is such a clear and helpful understanding of the text! I struggle with this one sometimes when my LDS friends bring it up (and they LOVE to point to Jesus quoting it in John 10). God bless you both!
Some of the best eight minutes I've heard from anything.
Thank you so much.
Beautiful!
Very well put
That was awesome thank you sir
I had a pastor say to me "God is big G I'm little g so I can do what God can do""...I looked at him and said ""is that right? How about we go to the local swimming pool I want to see you walk on water""!! He looked stunned and walked away...Ive read that when Jesus was referring to the book of judges in which God had authorised the judges to make righteous judgement on His people on His behalf...love to you Melissa for bringing to light these heresies that keep creeping in the Body of Christ from Australia
I see the Sun walking on water everyday 😉
Your pastor is right.
It’s really not complicated!! We are not God, period… if you are a Christian, you have been given by the power of the Holy Spirit, which is totally different!!
When we dig into the scriptures, it becomes “complicated” because of our finite understanding of an INFINITE GOD who defies ANY human logic or reasoning as HIS thoughts and ways are HIGHER than ours, His creation!
@@hopel.badeaux8959 - Yes indeed !
Good teaching I learned a lot from that.
I never really gave much thought to this passage, but it's nice to understand the big picture behind it.
Lovin'it -so 😎 👍 cool to hear biblically-sound explanation in proper context! I was blessed to have read and understood it as: hey, those people in high authority -given by God - have the power to decide who lives and who dies in a court of law. Usually and ultimately, only God decides at that level, but since He bestowed that level of authority to some few men, only they could be considered as people under and Wiith God's level of operation in that aspect -but dying as regular folks in the end.
This is so good 😊
Thank you so much for teaching and keeping the teaching Biblical and focused on glorifying Christ. I would love for you to do video using your platform to show how to discern whether a “Christian” author is legitimate or not. I listened to Lysa Terkeurst speak on several platforms. She seems like a very godly woman. I kept hearing her say forgive, and God, but it seems like her use of pronouns were heavy with I, and me. Her help came almost exclusively from her counselor and her ability to forgive the other person. In one video she mentioned her counselor instructed her to write a list of all her pain and all the offenses against her, and to forgive. I think red felt and 3x5 cards were involved in this exercise. I kept waiting to hear Bible verses for which to use in conjunction with depending on God, and to admit, our own unworthiness, but because of Jesus Christ’s death and resurrection, I can humbly come before God and place my faith in Christ alone for salvation, and Kay this burden, then, before God. I don’t hear this from her. I am sure she is a very nice lady, but her focus seems to be on she herself doing the heavy lifting, in which she gets lots of praise and sympathy. I have to ask, Is Jesus being glorified in her testimony? Please consider, when you have time, to do a review and show us more ways to spot truth or deception in the “testimonies” of famous “Christians.” Thank you so much.
As far as Psalm 82, have you guys looked into Michael Heiser's take on it? In a book he authored, The Unseen Realm, the assembly referenced in the verse 1 is said to refer to supernatural rulers of regions as opposed to human judges. Another interpretation points to the Canaanite high god, El and his divine assembly being the point of reference here.
Melissa, Mike, keep up the good work. I don't know why there are so many comments by people supporting Little Gods teachings, but... keep up the good work.
Out-totally-standing. Especially that the main point is the way Jesus is using the reference from Psalm 82.
I fit into the minority of the divine council view and totally lock arms with you!
@The Church of Repentance sorry I don't understand the comment?
Correct, i understand more than other pastors explain they complicated us but i understood
Hi Melissa! Saw you on Allen Parr channel..love your views..i subscribed! Keep up the good work!
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I think God was rebuking his his angelic host who He put in charge of the earth. Why would he refer to human leaders as gods (little G). Either way, we are not gods or God. Far from it.
but also why would He call angels gods when they are also called God’s ministers
@@lamblyy ecause to humans they are god-like. They have power to do some things only God can do. When Moses had his show down with Pharaoh, his magicians were able to mimic many of the signs that God allowed Moses to show. Where did the magicians get that power from? The “god’s” with the little g.
Sorry Mike. I agree with Dr. Mike Heiser's on Psalms 82. It makes better sense. After hearing his view, applying this passage to human rulers sounds circular and shoe-horned.
If I WERE a god... things would be so different in Congress right now.
Hi Melissa,
I came out of the New Age in 2020 and have been a devoted Christian for the last year now. But I have been really struggling with some psychological affects of the new age. For instance, I am still overly aware of everything. And It really interferes with my everyday life. I can’t stop thinking as an observer and it’s really taken enjoyment out of my life & given me anxiety. It’s like an impulse to know the reason behind everything. Have you struggled with any of this? Do you have an advice? Thanks and God bless 🙏💖，
Mandi
I can't remember how I got freed from the New Age belief, but I usually try to distract myself and not focus on it. It really takes a lot of time to go away, but even then, some things **could** remind you of it.
I came out of New age as well. I was meditating, taking psychedelics. This opened me up to a lot of continual confusion. It wasn't until I had demons cast out of me that I found freedom. I know you wrote this 1 year ago but I'd like to hear how you've been doing!!
Good point!
Good stuff
So timely. I just finished a video this morning that was painful to watch. Scripture was so twisted. Sometimes I just don’t understand how, or even why, these worldly “Christians” want to associate themselves with Christ.
But, that’s all part of the deception, isn’t it? Feel good messages that massage the minds of those hoping to escape destruction.
I believe there are two points that could be helpful to consider. Firstly, debate in the comments concerning the most accurate understanding of the meaning of elohim in Ps 82, whilst interesting, misses the point that it doesn't matter so much what we now understand it to most correctly mean, what matters is the meaning that the quotation would have had to Jesus' opponents at the time. That's what Jesus is targeting. And if we propose that those in John 10 saw elohim in Ps 82:6 as deities, rather than "judges" or "mighty ones", then the power of Jesus' challenge is lost. He would either be saying to them "Look, God is saying gods are gods!", to which they would reasonably respond "So what?", or worse, it could make Jesus appear to be saying he is merely claiming to be one of the inferior divine beings. Neither of these is a good position to believe Jesus was putting himself in.
Jewish commentators of the time commonly held that the Psalm referred either to the errant judges of Israel (called elohiym in Exodus) or Israel itself receiving the Word of God at Sinai and failing to be the "mighty ones" that Word commissioned them to be. Holding either of those views would provide the target for Jesus to challenge their acceptance of judges or the nation of Israel being named elohim but rejecting as blasphemous the claims he had been making of equality with God (I and my Father are one...).
Secondly, the argument in John 10 is represented to us in Greek, not in Hebrew, meaning the gospel of John has Jesus issuing his challenge about theos, rather than elohim. To quote from Psalms in Greek, Jesus would surely have referred to the Septuagint, which first century Jewish teachers regarded as a divinely inspired translation. And indeed, θεοί is what the Septuagint uses to translate the line "I said you are gods". I suspect when Jesus said "Is it not written in YOUR law" he then quoted the Septuagint to them, meaning "In YOUR official translation, the ones YOU accept as being the judges of Israel are called θεοί (deity)." Additional clarification: In using this refutation, Jesus would not be pronouncing judges as divine, but driving home to his detractors how completely unsound their position was.
Can you explain more shortly please, I'm not very smart here. I'm so interested about John meant "theos" rather than "elohim". Gbu always
I know Dr. Michael Heiser is the best source. I think TheBibleProject touches on the use of 'elohim' very well in their Divine Council series.
Dr Michael Heiser takes a different view. He believes that Ps 82 relates to the celestial beings and the order there-in.
Verse 1 God (Elohiym) stands in the midst of the gods (Elohiym). It is therefore a council of the ruling gods of the nations, a divine council in the heavenly realms. We see this alluded to in the beginning of Job.
The word elohiym is used a thousand or more times for God, gods, angels etc but whenever a reference is to God (Yahweh) it is made clear. For example, Ps 82:6 'I said you are gods (Elohiym) and all of you are children of the Most High (Elyon)'. Or Ps 97:9 'For you O Yahweh.....are highly exalted above all gods (Elohiym). And Deut 3:24 'What god (el) is there in heaven...who can do according to your works and...mighty deeds'.
Also, according to Dr Heiser, the notion that Ps 82 is referring to a fleshly council is flawed. Nowhere in the bible does God make the Jewish leaders rulers over the nations. In fact, he tells them to be separate from all the other nations.
So, this verse does just what it says on the tin: it is about the ruling council in the heavenly realms where God Almighty is admonishing (we assume) some of the rulers. This concept would have been understood by the ancient Hebrews.
Thanks for taking the time to explain this in further detail (-and that's the edited version??).
Sometimes I gain more from the comments section than I do from the actual videos.
Very well put. I tried to explain this very same with my limited English skills. But you did an excellent job at explaining the vision of the divine council in Deuteronomy 32 and psalm 82.
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This still doesn't explain why Jesus used a passage referring to heavenly councils to the mortal, *human* Sanhedrin in the John 10 confrontation
@@reethe_potato All Jesus is saying is there can be beings called "god" who are not the one true God, the Father. Jesus is saying, "Look, in your own scripture, which you affirm, there are beings called gods and you have no problem with that. Why do you want to stone not for saying I am also a "god" but because I am making a lesser claim, that of being God's Son?" At least that's how it reads to me.
So enjoy your teaching. I know this is off topic...but would you please explain "soul care" does it have a place in Christianity?
Thank you so much for your help.
Is "soul care" essentially different thing with "pastoral care", or are those merely different words for same thing?
I agree with Michael Heiser on this one.
Great exposition of these passages! The rulers may think they rule, but, in the end, as Johnny Cash put it, "God's gonna cut you down"!
What this passage means in my understanding is our relation to God itself which is the father of humanity. The passage is not trying to justify us as actual gods and more like celestials, however, we have fallen just like the angels who followed Satan, so we lost our status as celestials.
Thank you! This has been my biblical take on it for a while! We are made in God’s image, but we are not God on this earth. We are not our highest selves. The worldly new-age view is the one trying to push the rhetoric of thinking we are gods…sadly misconstrued. I pray for humility on earth.
@@leej1759 Then again, reaching a "higher self" is new age as well.
Well wtf. Why they’d mindwipe us and FORCE us to lose our celestial status?
Praise God for bringing us truth that sets free! I therefore bind to hell one thinking to be a god except for the one, true living God in my life, the lives of my family, friends, colleagues, neighbours, acquitances, opponents and the body of Christ, binding to hell every unequal yoke and common share with anyone thinking to be a god except for God himself, in accordance with this word and john 10:34-35, psalm 82, 2 corinthians 6:14-18 in the name and blood of Jesus Christ, amen and hallelujah ❤!
Guy starts with saying people cram unbiblical doctrine into difficult passages to help make sense of them and immediately proceeds to insert that the reference to "gods" in psalm 82 was a reference to rulers or government leaders, but that itself is assumed information lol
I had the same thought. I’m a Mike Winger fan but he is doing exactly what you say…
I like Michael Heisner take on Psalm 82 and John Piper explanation of the the John passages.
I read that part of the Bible and did not understand it until I read it, it was like duh, he’s talking specifically to the pharisees not to us. I would have never understood that until I actually read the Bible. My biggest prayer now is that people would ready the Bible. He opens your eyes when you seek it. There’s clarity, everyday I’m mind blown.
So, are you saying that 'gods' in both passages refers to little g gods? Thank you for the videos!
We are like God
Made in His image and LIKENESS
A statue of a president is made in the image and likeness of that president, yet that statue is not the president nor even a human being.
I’ve been following Michael S Heiser regarding this passage. He’s the author of Unseen Realm. Pretty interesting different perspective.
Love it
we ARE god and god is us
there is NO separation
all is one
see god in your mirror
you cannot exist without god
so love yourself and you are loving god
Hi Melissa! I don't know if you have seen my dm before in your IG, but I do have a question that I want you to address, if you have already made a video about it, (will someone direct me to that video link?). What about Law of assumption????
If Psalm 82 is merely referring to human rulers, then why would Jesus be using the passage as a justification for admitting being the Son of God? Would that we like Jesus saying he was only calling himself the son of God in a figure of speech?
praise zeus
This is quite an interesting take on what is said. Made to simply be a contrast, yet could be used to lead people astray 🤔
What an interesting point to use to show how Jesus Christ is God 🤔🥳
awesome explanation. Word of faith hinges on this ONE verse. Reason why CONTEXT is important and diligent study. OT ignorance will ALWAYS produce the wrong NT interpretation
Scripture should not be interpreted by doctrine, but it should make doctrine. The above is an example of how confusing and difficult it becomes when belief goes ahead of scripture, instead of scripture creating belief.
In the beginning, we are all made in the "image" of God. So we are "gods", like the one true God. As long as we bow down to the one true God and do His will, we are "reflections" of the one true God. When we don't submit to the one true God's will, and we do our own will, then we are false gods, who Jesus will not recognize. Other false gods (demons) will be our tormentors... The greatest gift we are given, is free will, to choose between these two paths. The greatest question is who do you serve (what is in your heart)?
Melissa, thank you for introducing the American Gospel. So well made and explained..Praise the Lord.
I always thought it was you will live forever someday somewhere because you are made in God's image not I'm a god like God
John 10:7 💓
I’m glad I’m not GOD because I’ve seen how wicked my heart is. Everything would be messed up. I’m glad we have a holy, perfect, righteous, loving compassionate, just GOD.
Amen 🙏🏾
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I always thought Paul was being sarcastic talking to those who had given their bodies or mind over to the watchers or fallen angels and allowing those spirits to animate them