Echo CS-590 Timberwolf
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- Опубліковано 28 вер 2024
- In a rare break-of-character, I bought a brand-new Echo CS-590 Timberwolf chainsaw. Normally I cheap out on pretty much everything. But I tried that with chainsaws, and it wasn't really working out.
Don't get me wrong, my Harbor Freight Poulan Pro PR4218 served me well, for what it was. And my Farmertec MS361 has been worth the price of entry on education alone. But let's face it. The Poulan is underpowered and the Farmertec is unreliable. Time for an upgrade.
I did a bunch of research and finally selected the Echo CS-590 Timberwolf. It cost triple what either of my other saws did, but based on my research that's still a good value for what you get.
This video covers my first year of ownership, from unboxing and first start through firewood processing and stump cleanup. All-in-all it's been a fantastic saw and is always the one I reach for when something needs cutting (no surprise there, considering its competition). I'm far from an expert, but if you're in the market for a good mid-range chainsaw, I recommend it.
I bought a 590 in December.
After some experimentation I found it will consistantly fire with following method.
Stone cold.
Choke button pulled out, decompression activated, pull it once.
It dosen't evan cough, perfect.
Push choke button in, pull it once more and it is running, EVERY time.
After 20 seconds or more warm up, do nothing but pull the cord once and it is running, EVERY time.
Outstanding working saw!
Wow! Two pulls from dead cold is amazing. I'm pretty darn happy with mine at six.
Ain't got no gase innit.
Mmmm Hmmm 😂
That is a great saw! Looks like you do a fair amount of cutting. I just bought four new Echo saws in the last two months. The 800p, 620p, 4910 and a 355t they all started up really easy. Don’t remember any of them to taking very many pulls for the first start or any start after that. It looks like your bar is getting excessively hot. Just wondering if you adjusted the manual oiler adjustment screw on the bottom of the saw to full open? Good video and thanks for sharing.
I turned it up a little from where it was out-of-the-box, but not full open. I've got my Poulan and knockoff Stihl both turned up as high as they go, and this Echo puts out more oil than either of them at about 3/4, so I left it there.
Good video. I own echo tool, but didn't know about a chainsaw. For $200 cheaper for the same power than husqvarna or stihl I bought one. Thanks for the info
Awesome. Hope it treats you well!
Man if your decent at wrenching a little you can really make those 590s come alive!!! 3 simple things-- jb weld carburetor mod, put the 620 coil on it and do a muffler mod. All fairly easy to do and will probably give you a 30% power boost
I've heard really good things about all of those mods. Definitely worth doing if you're looking for more power out of this saw.
Mine starts very easy. Don’t use the decomp and push the choke in after 3 pulls regardless if you hear the pop or not.
If flooded have to pull with throttle wide open. Never have had any problems with mine, solid saws especially for the price.
Yeah, other than that first start, mine's been great. And even that was user-error. Knowing what I know now I'm sure I wouldn't have had that much trouble.
Cool deal, a 590 made me a lot of money starting a side firewood business.
I have a Stihl291 and a cs590 The 590 is a better preformer
At 97 pulls why didn’t you hold the throttle…love my echo products. Never an issue with any of them. All of them are one pull with choke, it pops, and second pull it fires. All of them are cold blooded till they warm though and die exactly like it was in the video. They all take atleast 5 tanks to start breaking in
Sounds like you've got a better behaving saw than mine. I consistently do 3-4 pulls on choke for a pop, then 2-3 more to fire off. I'm happy enough with those results, especially since it's so reliable regardless of how long it's been sitting or how cold it is, but not near as good as two pulls from cold like you're getting. That's impressive!
Your saw is too lean on the bottom. Pull the limiters, trim the tabs off and reinstall. Give yourself a 1/4 more turn rich. (Counter Clockwise). Get yourself a set of West Coast Dogs, much longer. Gearhead makes a better exhaust deflector available at Saw Salvage.
To be really cool, install the coil from the 620..it will raise the rev limit and give you 6° of advance..
Wow! You really know your Echos. Great tips. For my own edification: what symptoms are you looking for to tell it's too lean? I know that if the high screw is too lean it'll over-rev but I've never really gotten my head around how to tell if a high idle is from a lean low screw or the idle adjustment screw.
Just bought one at home Depot rental. It didn't start with a few pulls then i foud the decompression button and i bulled it out a little and it fired up with one pull every time. And they marked it doun .
I just poured a little gas down the carb and it started on the third pull!
I just pulled my new 590 las week and it popped after 5 pulls. That was odd.
That's good to know; about the same as mine, forgiving that first-start-ever that gave me so much trouble.
Let the compression out shop it for 2 pools and send it pops.Put the shocking at three more times it will start
I'm certified small engine and own 2. The only thing that will cause trouble is the main jet. Stop that hole up, remove limit caps and adjust the carb.
lmao 97 pulls??? I'm wondering if there's something wrong with the fuel delivery. I bought a timbywuff from homedepot, gassed it up in the parking lot and she popped off after 11-13 pulls or so.
It never again gave me that much trouble, so I don't think there's anything wrong with the actual saw. I'm pretty sure it was entirely my fault. I'd read in others' reviews of this saw that it was super easy to flood, so I was being really timid with the choke. After owning it for a while I've now got a good feel for when to choke and when not to, but of course on that first start I didn't have that experience yet.
Agree with you easy to flood assessment. I have that saw. Flooded it a lot at first. Now I have it figured out.
Your voice sounds alot like hugh laurie's from House. Those cs590s have a loyal following on youtube. I've the stihl counterpart which is the ms310. It's about 15 years old and I'm waiting on a carburetor rebuild kit and new fuel to come in. Hopefully I can get a few more miles out of it until I need a new saw.
I'm quite happy with it. From what I've heard Stihls are fantastic saws, though. The only thing not to like is the price tag. Keep yours running as long as you can.
Just bought one new for $389.99 (regularly $449.99)from a dealer who set it up and started it before I left the store. I've started it cold 4-5 pulls and 1-2 hot. I don't use the decompression button. I always had Stihl but they are much more expensive and when I asked the dealer about starting problems, he said they have had more problems with the newer Stihls.
That's a great price; good get. I paid $600 for mine.
What?? $600?? That’s crazy. I found a brand new one on FB market place and stole it for $280. Took a gamble considering it was on a return pallet but it was indeed brand new in box, and runs like a scalded dog!
That's a great deal! Nothing like that available around here, at least not when I was looking. Given that both my other chainsaws were bargains that were currently giving me fits, though, I was willing to take the plunge on a brand-new, fully warrantied saw for once, and I'm still glad I did.
The first time I ever fired it up brand new took a little bit as well ever since then fires up in 3 pulls even if it sits for months.
Wow, you've got me beat.
My 590 started on the 4th pull out of the box. WTH?
Given how consistently this saw has been performing ever since that rough first-start, I'm prepared to take the blame. I was being really timid with the choke because I'd read they were super easy to flood. Now that I've got a feel for my Timberwolf it's just 4-5 pulls on full choke until it pops, choke off, then 1-2 more and it's running no matter how long it's been since the last time. Never flooded it once.
Just the other day mine fired right up after few pulls. Had the decompression valve pushed in and choke out about 5 pulls it fired, then pushed the choke back in the saw fired up within 2 more pulls. That’s when the saws been sitting for long time after the initial start it’s goes easier rest of the time.
Those were the instructions I remember reading in the tag that was on the saw
Now that mine's broken in, my experience is similar. Thanks for posting your experience; it's good to have confirmation that this is what it's supposed to be like.
All those problems with a brand new saw ? Yikes
Do you even know how to use a chainsaw, I have one of these and brand new it took three pulls.
Wow! That makes you, what? Over 30 times smarter than me? Good work!
You know when you start stacking o rings and washers in there that cap will start rattleing and won't mate up against the part in front of the carb. I just put thin o ring in the filter with glue and one on that stud under the filter
is that even a pro saw? looks like a whole plastic box... I would return that saw anyway, it shouldn't take that many pulls to start.
Exhaust melting plastic 97 pulls not me
A buddy of mine has a 590 and a 620 and hasn't cleaned the filter in-well-he hasn't ever cleaned the filter and the bloody saws still run!
Nice! If it ain't broke, don't fix it.
Picked up a clean used 590 today. started 1st pull runs & strong. oiler issue, tear down reveled worn gear shroud melted into oiler and worn sprocket teeth. My guess it was run w/o chain oil as it came w/new bar and chain. $60.00 in parts ordered, should be up and running next week. $220.00 all in including new parts, very pleased after watching your review.
Good get. If the oiler screw is the only problem that's a fantastic buy. I'm super cheap and feel like even at full price the CS590 is a good deal, so getting into one for under $300 is a steal.
It appeared many of those starting pills were repeats. Good editing Uncle Mike. But why portray what it pretty universally known as about the easiest starting brand as something other?
The only thing I trust about this guy is his OBS.
Haha! If I wanted to cast shade on Echo, I did a pretty lousy job of it.
Great video! You've earned a loyal subscriber! I also have the CS-590. Mine starts easily unless it's really cold outside. I'm going to be doing a review video on my channel of it very soon.
Thanks! Let me know when you post your review; I'd like to check it out.
@@UncleMikesCustomThings Sure thing.
There's something wrong with that saw! Mine start's in 2 pull's
That's amazing. I've never used a chainsaw that started in 2 pulls from dead cold. You're doing something right.
You're using a little saw that was never intended to cut giant stumps huge hardwoods.
I like to get the most out of my tools, and past the Timberwolf chainsaws get ridiculously expensive ridiculously fast. If I had it to do over I'd buy it again; a little heat notwithstanding, it handles all my chores like a champ.
@@UncleMikesCustomThings I like to get the most power out of my tools. Haha. The timberwolf is a ridiculous bargain for sure
I just started my new 590 for the first time today. It only took 5 pulls with the choke lever out then three more pulls with the choke lever in.
Just one question. Did you accidentally leave the stop switch in the stop position?
Nope, the switch was set to run the whole time. I'm pretty sure I was just being way too timid with the choke. I'd heard these saws were really easy to flood. Now that I've had the saw for a while I've got a good feel for how it behaves and when it wants choke and when not, but of course I had none of that experience when I started it for the very first time.
WOULD YOU BUY A SAW THAT TOOK 97 PULLS TO START ? And have to buy parts so the air filter doesn't clog carb ? Duh ?
It's the same with some stihl air filters.
Two fun things about these saws the first start is always a B####.
Second thing is after your 2nd full tank of fuel in a day your rpms and power goes up
Never heard of that one! Why do you suppose that is?
Nice video. I have had a CS-590 for several years and like it very much. My only complaint is that the rear handle loop is NOT large enough to get my foot in there to secure the saw during starting.
Glad to hear from another happy Timberwolf operator. Maybe it's just the big steel-tips I wear, but I've never operated a chainsaw that could fit my foot in the handle. That's part of why I usually drop-start (which, to be clear, is not recommended, but it works for me).
Well that isn’t a foot loop…
It shouldn't be this hard to start...
How hard should it be? I'm seriously asking. It's far-and-away the easiest to start chainsaw I've ever owned, but that's not saying much.
@UncleMikesCustomThings First of all let me tell you I am a woman. I had a Husqvarna that would cold start with just 5 to 10 pulls.. It finally broke and I purchased this piece of 💩Just like you I have to pull and pull and pull to get it to start...I hate it and it's a waste of money... Glad you like it but I don't.
@@caz4523 Aside from my first start (which I'm happy enough to attribute to dry lines and me being far too careful with the choke), my Echo has been reliably starting in six pulls from cold, which I've been pretty happy with. I don't have a ton of experience so I'm not sure if that's good or not, but compared to my Poulan and Farmertec saws it's a big upgrade. I'd say if yours is significantly harder to start than mine, it might be worth taking it to a dealer to see if they can explain why. Might be a simple tuning issue they can help you sort out.
@@UncleMikesCustomThings Just watched Chickanic on YT... this timberwolf is know to be hard to start and you can flood it fast...she said a lot of people want to return it just for that reason. She posted a tip to start it easier...I have an echo polecsaw that is wonderful...but not this chainsaw...Never had a problem starting any chainsaw or polesaw until this... Glad you like it..Wish I could return mine...
@@caz4523 I think I watched that same video. That's the reason I was so timid with the choke when trying to start it for the first time; I'd heard it was easy to flood. One big factor that influenced my decision to buy Echo was their warranty. Five years is a long time. How long have you had yours? You might be able to return it still.
After that many pulls it would of went back!