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Fixing an outboard that won't go into gear
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- Опубліковано 23 гру 2015
- In this video diagnose and repair an outboard that won't go into gear. In particular, this outboard won't go into reverse and after adjusting the gear selection cables without success, it turns out that the dog clutch is worn and needs machining.
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Please continue to make 'long and rambling' videos. I like your detailed explanations and appreciate your videos very much.
If people are too lazy to hear the details, then they are too lazy to do the job properly. This is UA-cam and not TikTok.
Keep up the great work!
I'm from Fort Pierce Florida U.S.A a lot of people watch your presentations here . We enjoy them very much as they are so don't let some one try to crimp your style . Thank you for your fine videos. Jake Olmstead
+Gerald Olmstead Thanks Gerald. Glad you're enjoying the vids. I couldn't change if I tried. ;)
Your videos are tops!! Bought an old {1983) Yamaha 40hp outboard on an auction for a song and as I am at best a bush mechanic your videos have seen me through all the stages so far to get the motor running. Have redone all the electrics and got it running, but no water from the telltale so about to check the pump system. Thanks again for your informative videos, Best wishes. Nigel from South Africa
Hey Danngar;
This is a great video. It is exactly what I was looking for. You sure know how to make it sound easy.
Some other people try to make themselves sound smart, But you show us how smart you are. Keep up the great videos. They are not just informative, they are entertaining.
Thanks
Andy
Thanks Andy, glad you've been enjoying the videos and they have been helping you. :)
FIXED! Thanks Stu!! .But it was a headlamp strap that was binding my shifter on the shift box. I'll never tell who the dummy was that hung it there,lol. Cheers!
Cheers from Charleston, SC USA. Outboards used here all year, no winterizing or down time and your informative vids are very useful.
Thanks Tyler, we have the same thing here, these boats get us to the mainland every day of the year.
thanks for the vid, i wouldnt listen to the person complaining about rambling. it shows your personality and thats what makes your videos yours. Thanks again its always great to learn about these things. Cheers
Thanks Steve, I do prefer this still of video to watch myself. To me it is all about hanging out in the workshop together rather than a three minute how-to vid. Merry Christmas!
+Dangar Marine couldn't agree more
+Steven Myrick
100% agree with you Dangar and Steven. Your videos have heaps of detail and explaining things in detail isn't rambling in my book, it is very helpful. Keep up the great work - loving it.
Thank Troy, appreciate your support. :)
+Steven Myrick sometimes I can find videos 'rambling' because I already understand something, but someone else may find the added detail useful. One may just skip forward in this case.
I like the videos that aren’t prepared well. The random and rambling is real life in the shop. Things happen that throw a wrench into life and projects.
Dangar marine thank you very much from Wisconsin USA. just fix my outboard that wouldn't go into reverse my gear linkage was off thanks to your video i was able to fix it.
Hey Edgar, glad the video helped you. Hope you have a fun and safe boating season!
Perfect job on doing a great and through video. I have learned so much from your vids and saved so much money as a DIY guy. Keep those videos coming you have a huge fan club over here in the USA!!!
Thank you! From this video I was able to fix my issue today. Considering shops around here are booked for most of the summer, this saved the season. I love your channel and have for years. I wouldn't change a thing, you explain everything very well.
interesting...the gear box is rather simple. So now if my boat engine started to do this then I would have no problems digging in the gear box. I learned so much from your videos and I thank you for that.
You're welcome, glad the videos have been helping you. :)
Good video and explanation. Your reasoning and thought process is so important for people to understand and you do that well. I do not need to know every part of the process but someone else does so details are always helpful. Not enough is more of a problem. Great job!
Thanks a lot! I love your explanation. It's so clear and I think I can follow it easily. I was struggling little bit working with my motor without much understanding how it works. Now I know I can fix my motor. Again, thanks.
Man you are becoming one of my favorite people on UA-cam. So helpful for someone like me who is new to outboards. Saved me a fortune thank you!
Your videos are awesome!... I just picked up a 1989 mako 18ft flats boat.... it is a prototype... never went into production...so no info online at all... I called mako/bass tracker... they rolled over when I ran the hull numbers.... that's when i figured out I have a rare bird.... anyways ... it was a barn find.... so you are my project source of knowledge.... thank you... keep doing the videos the way you are.... entertaining,funny and knowledge all passed in one shot.... thumbs up
Best intructional video of how to do this I've found ...Thank you very much and ramble away mate, you just saved me at least 200$
You're welcome!
Anything I have a issue with my Outboard I look on your channel and find the solutions. Keep up the Great work and Awesome videos. Your a LifeSaver
Thanks mate. Glad the vids are helping you. :)
Absolutely great videos, thanks for sharing them. This will for sure help me fixing my Yamaha 30hp that's not going in reverse. Greetings from Sweden.
Thanks Roger, I hope they help you. Good luck with the fix! :)
I love your videos! We have to fix and maintain our outboards at work and we always search your channel for advice and instructions.
Thanks Eric, glad the vids have been helping. :)
Love your videos, your are great at what you do and I have never had a problem with the videos. But still a great one here. Never realized how fairly simple the design is for a lower unit. Keep up the great work!
Thanks man! Your tips helped me fix my outboarder and I just returned from my first boat trip!
Nice one! Hope you had fun. :)
Dangar Marine Loved it! :)
I enjoy your videos. I am learning a lot. I am working on my first outboard motor ever. Thank you. I don't find your videos drug out or rambling.
Great video, clear and precise process of solving gear "engaging" problem, thank you
Thanks Paul, glad the video helped. :)
Well done, really appreciate this detailed explanation of the gearing on an outboard engine.
You're welcome Steve.
Thanks to this video I was able to work out my problem on my Mercury outboard thank you
Hi Mack your New Zealand cousin from across the ditch love listening to your videos always inspirational and always find something new to sort out in my boat when I watch your videos thanks a whole heapg
At 9:59: someone says your videos are rambling?! That is nuts! You are very articulate and explain things very clearly and calmly. Don’t change your style at all. You are an excellent teacher!
Thanks mate, glad you like them. :)
I was trying to be funny... he said he was "rambling" in the video, and I actually wanted to hear more detail! Joke that backfired on me. I deleted the comment now! Sorry!
Phew bet he was a happy customer - your a true professional of your trade -well done and all the more to you.
Thanks from California! I have the exact same motor with the same problem.
I watched just 2 minutes and knew this was going to be a good video. Good job!
Fairdinkum mate your a star! I’m not really sure how much money you’ve saved for all of us! But I reckon we owe ya a beer or three
cheers cobber
Without doubt sir, your videos have helped me tremendously. Many thanks, from Scotland.
Great to hear!
Am I the only one who enjoys rebuilding lower units? Alpha drives more often than anything else lol. Love your videos and insite, it shows your knowledge and passion. I enjoy the "What caused the problem " as much as "How to fix it" what most folks miss out on. Great job and great channel.
Thanks mate, glad you like the vids. I can understand getting satisfaction from fixing lower units up. :)
Thanks for that...I've managed to get the bottom half of the gear selector out just after I sent the SOS....now I just need to remove the drive shaft from the gearbox ....in converting a long shaft to a short shaft (yeah I know but I just love this engine ) 😊👍
Ah, no that is a video I've been meaning to do for a while now. I've even got the gearbox sitting in the vice ready to go. Stay tuned!
I think your videos are excellent and very informative. Don't listen to those arrogant jerks.
I second Steven's comment Stu!!!! stuff em, your vids are great!! once again good work mate!!! I all ways learn heaps from the vids you put up, keep them coming!!
Thanks Paul. Merry Christmas!
great job man. thanks for the easy to understand process.
Finally got my motor running, and the same thing happened to mine. Clunks when trying to shift into forward gear and doesn’t do anything so I’m hoping what your doing in this video is the problem. If it is, this video is a lifesaver, because I couldn’t find anything else even close to this informative. Thank you!
Good luck!
I was going to ask for ur help about fixing the reverse .I took my boat to the lake today. stupid motor wouldn't go in reverse. hey man u had it cover . I saw ur video I'm going to perform those tip I saw u doing ..great video God Bless...
Hey Manny, good luck with the fix. That problem is most often just about adjusting that selector linkage. Good luck with it. :)
I keep loving watching your videos all ways .amazing
An oldie but a goodie - thanks Stu!
Good video about outboard gearbox. The clutch dog makes a rough contact on such transmissions I think. I did a repair on an old Johnson 30hp, it was a bad reverse gir. Good video&good explanations mate! :).
+Roar Møller-Hansen Thanks Roar, glad to hear you had success in repairing your bad reverse gear. Happy New Year! :)
Thanks for the video! Learn something new every day!
Love your videos ... keep up the good work. I do my own outboard maintenance and could not survive without yours and other UA-cam videos. Makes working on my outboard a little bit less stressful!
Great to hear!
Hi Danger Stu,
1997 90HP 2 Stroke Mercury Gear Shift rod
Mate..thanks so much for all your post and help! I have a 1997 90HP 2 Stroke Mercury.
Before I put it back in the drink thought I would change gear box oil and check the impeller.
The gear box oil was milky ..Yes Oh no ..a leak! So did your test with soap and water on ALL seals and found a leak at the at the Shift rod seal.Worked exactly from the workshop manual and replaced seal.
While I was there replaced impeller and gaskets and new impeller plate as per workshop manual instructions.Gave it test with the pump bought on line as thankfully you suggested. Hallelujah ! Held 12psi for 10-15 minutes!
Then put leg back on head ,few hassles with this but not worth mentioning.
AS workshop manual informs : Check that prop ratchet clockwise one way and and resistance in anticlockwise forward gear-Test OK .Then move helm throttle to neutral -Prop should spin free..both directions?
To my Shock and stress... No Go still in Forward gear!!!
Took leg off again checked cable at female bottom spline on head with my wife's help at the helm ..All OK rotation both directions ..clockwise and anticlockwise.What could it be??
This is the WARNING for ALL to see -DON'T REMOVE SHIFT ROD FROM MESH WITH CAM IN BOTTOM OF GEAR BOX WHEN REPLACING SEAL-HOLD SHIFT ROD DOWN SO IT DOES NOT UN-MESH WITH CAM IN AS YOU REMOVE BUSHING -THIS MODEL Mercury anyway.
CAM toppled inside gearbox and I could not retrieve it.
I looked on-line ..Worldwide There are very few posts on this SERIOUS issue..So World here it is!
I called my local Mercury shop where I bought parts.. Are you ready for the Quote .. $500+parts START to split box and replace
the gear shift rod!!
Is this price reasonable Stu.?.
Guys .. I hope this post helps 100's of Marine do it yourself Mercury mechs to get their boats back in the water--I'm still waiting.
All my fault I guess --but pawed over workshop mercury workshop manual and couldn't find any warnings about this issue.
Wow, what a nightmare. It does sound expensive. What parts are needed. I'm not familiar with this problem but it doesn't sound like it should need any parts. It sounds more just like reassembly. The gearbox has been apart recently and therefore not seized so shouldn't take much effort to get apart. For us $500 would be five hours which sounds like a lot of time to do the job if you have done it before. Also, if you give them the gearbox already off the motor that should save time and labour.
Cheers mate,
My first tube reply thanks !!..SO MUCH!
Haven't had box apart before .Just replaced impeller 3 times.No problemo.
Yep took off leg and took it to Hornsby Merc.I know these people wait all day for people like me :(
They said they have to heat box and will have to replace seals and remove drive shaft and plate to get to cam? 4 Hours at $125/Hr min.The box as you said should be fine-had no issues.
My main point of sharing the post was stop help others in my predicament and save them some bucks,time and hassle and REMINDING THEM TO HOLD that Gear shift rod in place ..no matter what!!
As much as I love fixing things I just haven't got the time.So Stop loss...So I can get back to my solar panel installation which is years in the making.
Thanks again for all your Tech. help and as others have said entertainment-Yep you got to laugh :)
@@howardnutt771 What happened in the end? I've had a similar problem. Would love to know
@@cameronjamescreative Hi Cameron,
I'm glad Cameron to be of help! That's why I posted earlier this year, as I said to Danger..To help others. Its not clear in ws manual! Didn't have time to fix it or tools!Well that little mistake it cost me AUD$456.75.Reason:CAM toppled inside gearbox and I could not retrieve it.DON'T PULL ON CAM SHIFT SHAFT OR CAM MAY TOPPLE!
The Repairer also said carrier also seized on gearbox housing so they had to heat it and pull carrier with slide hammer.They did all that and replaced seals and pressure tested.
I took it for a blast earlier this year.Should be fine for this season. TIP>>.Always leave battery on solar charge a ALL off season ..get double or tipple battery life!
@@cameronjamescreative Other thing to say ..If your not sure of what your doing ..It might seem simple but its not! Get quotes for Job.Where do you live ?
Love your videos! Although my wife can never understand how I'm so fascinated by them as we are sitting in the living room together haha. They are all well done and I owe a lot of what I know about outboard repair to you.
I do have a question for you. I struggled with what video was most relative in order to drop a comment but this seemed as good as any. I have dealt with OMC's mostly and may buy my first Yamaha soon. It's a 1988 30hp (3 cylinder model) with a lower unit which has been cracked and welded/repaired at some point and now also will not engage in forward gear. If I purchase I plan to try to fix it as is if possible, however, as a worst case scenario type deal before purchasing I have done some digging on used lower units for this model and see the used market on these to be pretty bare (here in the USA at least). I was wondering, since you deal so much in Yamahas, if you know which other models lowers will fit this motor? Their are many more available used for the 40-50hp 3 cylinders but I have no idea if they will bolt up or if they are even the correct gear ratio.
Again, I love the videos. Keep up the good work.
Still trying to get my nerve up to fix a way complicated e90dslseb. Leaning towards replacing with a omc 90 v4 with carbs and NO EMM! Great presentation my friend!
Thanks mate.
Great video as all the rest of yours. I'm getting ready to tear into my 92 evinrude lower unit if the shift cable adjustment doesn't work. I'm not able to shift into reverse, just get the clicking. Would installing a CMC power trim unit, sits the motor back from the stern about 5"/12 cm, caused the need to readjust the shift cable? Michigan USA
had the same problem on my johnson 25 from 1977.
took it apart used a dremel to carve the edges.
still going strong now after a year.
slightly less diffucult to acces though
Good to hear the DIY machining did the trick. :)
Hey boss. Love your channel have learned so much. I lose my telltale when in gear but in idle it’s perfect. Any suggestions
You always give great advice thank you
I have a 115hp 2 stroke Mercury early 90s and as I got back from a 16hour fishing trip yesterday as I pulled into the mooring it refused to go into reverse, i will check to see if it needs adjusting before shelling out a fortune on s near gear box. Thanks.
amazingly helpful. Thanks
Great video!
I have the same motor and it recently started stalling at higher rpms, it runs fine at lower rpms and it revs fully in neutral but as soon as I try to go faster in gear it starts stuttering and stalling. I’ve cleaned the fuel tank, filter etc as well as running a bottle of seafoam through it. I’d be very grateful if you have any advice.
I've learnt so mcuh from your videos thanks dangar a true gentleman:)…ps throw a few more ad's in you deserve it.
Thanks mate, glad you are enjoying the vids. :)
good job..thanks for the tips.
+Joe Honea Thanks mate, you're welcome. Hope they help you. :)
Very helpful thank you very much
Thanks for explaining it so well.
No worries!
Another excellent Video and as luck would have it, I just had a Mercury 15hp come into the shop with exactly the same problem! Not going into reverse. Unfortunately, I haven't got a machine shop that I can call on close by so will have to replace the dog for him in the new year. Will also be putting on a course in the new year for basic outboard fault diagnosis, maintenance and repair and I will definitely be pointing the students to your channel! You explain it really well! Happy 2016 from North Wales in the UK.
+CHRIS MORGAN Hi Chris. Is your outboard definitely the dog clutch? If so you could even try filing the edges. Apparently when they are first made they do have a rough surface which actually helps give them a bit more grip. The more I think about it the more I can't see the need to precise machined surfaces, just the need to get rid of the rounded edges that cause then to slip. Great to hear about your course and thanks you the offer of pointing the students to the channel. Happy 2016! :)
+Dangar Marine Thanks for that tip, I will try that when I go back in the new year. Nothing ventured - nothing gained! Well at the moment he is expecting to fork out for a new clutch kit so if that works - happy days. Cheers!
Good luck! As you say, if you are already looking at replacing it you don't have much to lose.
Great information ... I think my problem was that I was easing the controls into gear instead of being decisive and may have worn my dog gear in the process.
did that decades ago. that destroys them. shift bam into gear. them go. easing it you hear a click click click thud. your rounding your clutch and gear. basically ruining them by being easy.
Love this Thanks. What would cause my gear shift to get stuck in forward? I've simulated this with lower unit off. Yan 15 2stroke. The gearbox is new only 9hrs running in on muffs? Many thanks.... jj
I had a gear problem with an Evinrude 48 spl, 1993 model. It would just grind in reverse and finally engages at about 1500 rpm and then the motor is lifting up from the transom. I checked the linkages from the controls and they were at the lengths where you said they should be. So to fix the problem, I sold the motor and bought a Mercury, problem solved!
Sounds like a good way to go! ;)
Thanks for your videos. Very helpful. I just wanted to ask. I saw a bit of oil leaking from the propeler and I decided to check it. So I ended up removing the gearbox. When I removed it around 250cc of water came out. It was clean water, not mixed with oil. How did it end up there? And why was only this small quantity? I have a 25hp tohatsu 2 stroke. Thank you!
Helpful and intresting
Dangar Marine: Thanks so much for all your videos they're a huge help in getting my f35LA yamaha up to speed. Any chance you've got a vid on how to separate and remove the bearings from the gears?
Hi Dan, not at the moment, but I do have an old gearbox lying around that I could use for that video. You essentially need a internal three claw puller for the forward bearing and a bearing separator and press for the aft bearing.
Thanks for getting back to me and for all your videos. From wiring to knots to lower units and carbs, your videos have been hugely valuable in helping me maintain the 5 motors my rowing team has.
Thank you, very informative!
just moved to the island man bought a evenrude having this exact problem gave the warf a love tap tonight cause i didn't know until i got there cheers for the vid if i cant fix it will hit you up
Moved to Dangar? Let me know how you get on.
Yeah over on dangar and will keep you posted
Hi, thanks heaps for your extra work in presenting these awsome videos, just wondering if I need to remove the gear box leg section on a 40Hp Evenrude 1986m model to change the dog clutch and seals
Regards Scott
I had a line wrap around my prop on my 9.9 mariner and now it won't go into gear.
What's the most likely problem? Any advice welcome. Thanks
love your vids thank you
You're welcome, great to hear. :)
Great tip on shifting. Didnt know that one!
Glad it was helpful!
Very helpful! Thank you!
You're welcome. :)
Hello dear thank u so much for this video . My problem it's a little different because my gear change and engaging in to reverse but return to natural it self what's the cause of this problem as you see
I would like to see you do more Mercury's in the mid 80s
Thank You so much for your videos. Every of your videos is very details, love it. I have a Yamaha 90 hp and having trouble shifting gear. I can only have either forward and not reverse, will go reverse with a help of pushing the and rotating the propeller for it to shift to reverse and vis-versa. How do I trouble shoot and get this fix? Much appreciates your help.
Did you end up fixing it? I got the same motor. It binds up when trying to get into reverse. It's definitely in the gearbox as I've had the lower unit off and it which shift smooth.
Dangar, my 150 mercury was hard to get in gear at boat ramp, wiggled it and shifted back and forth. Took off ran it some idled went to take off and sounded like a spun prop, this was not the case.
Merry Christmas mate. Good video, really liked seeing the on water test at the end, rounded it out nicely. What was that about needing gloves to prevent leukaemia?
+Dayne Cowan Thanks Dayne, Merry Christmas! Yeah, apparently used motor oil is a know carcinogen. Can't remember exactly which type to be honest, but gloves are definitely the go.
Makes sense.. :)
Do you have a video that shows how to adjust the interrupter? My boat stalls a lot but only in forward... So I suspect something is not switching at the exact moment
I don't have a video on it but I would start by investigating whether the selector cable is corroded and starting to get stiff. Apparently this is a common cause.
Just had the drive of shame home from the ramp after the Johnson wouldn’t go into gear. Wondered has Stu got a video for that. Well duh of course he does! Thanks!
I'm attaching my forward controls... love this vid... helped me out... currently converting my tiller steer.. should i disconnect the tiller gear changer and thottles...??? Aswell
I'd take a look at how hard it is to shift with both connected first. If it isn't too bad I'd leave both, otherwise disconnect.
Is it necessary to disconnect the lower unit to replace the dog clutch?
I really appreciate the video
Thanks
Sweet vid. I just bought a Yamaha f50 and the prop just sounds like it’s skipping while I turn the prop in gear .
grate video
Love your videos 👍👍
Thanks Rex!
Hi Stu. Great videos. Love your work. One question...I have a Thoatsu 25 2 stroke (2003). Forward gear have no issues...but when shifting to reverse,and waiting to rpm to settle,always clunks hard. Tried with or without cables ( moving gear selector by hand) and same result. Even feels hard contact with manual shifter. Any advise? Thanks and keep up the good vibes.
New subscriber here awesome content I really can't afford to pay for most repairs and I want to learn more this channel has helped me alot
My 150evenrude won't budge into reverse almost feels jammed not sure if it's the cables or shift rod issue guy's put my motor back on after transom repairs and first run couldn't put it back into reverse
Any advice?thanks mate
Hello great video. I have the same problem on my 2 stroke evinrude and I was wondering about the shift linkage. When I put it through the gears the linkage rotates but it doesn't seem to go up or down. I'd this normal? thanks
Hi Lee. Yes, some outboards changing gears by rotating, some change by lifting up and down, it is just two different designs.
Thanks for this!
You're welcome. :)
Thanks good video. Going to sort mine out as not going into reverse.
Thanks Scott, good luck with the gearbox.
Gidday, thought I would let you know gearbox is fixed just had to adjust the gear linkage. Cheers
Merry Christmas from a cold Sweden. Excellent video as usual ! Got one question for ya . Did you have to paint the lower rig after using heat on it ?
+Roger Nilsson Thanks Roger. No, the paint gets a bit discoloured but it appears to be superficial. Quite often the paint comes off the lower unit after years of abrading with sand etc but it really isn't a problem as the whole casing is aluminium. Merry Christmas and hang in there until next summer! ;)
I have 4 hk outboard yamaha with a push stick for backwards neutral posiition and forward . The problem is that the backward and neutral dosnt work it just goes forward. I think it is a lock thing just a bit upside of the propeler thats dosnt goes in quite.
Great video mate. Who did you use to do the dog clutch machining, and roughly how much did it cost?thanks
I enjoy the rambling parts, its way more realistic and informative! Thanks, keep them coming.
Thanks mate, will do. :)
How do you unseize the shift rod bearing thats mounted to sit underneath the power head on a yamaha 25hp . Please help with suggestions and the proper name of the part
Howdy! Is there a special trick to getting the cam shift control, output shaft, and gear selector shaft to line up correctly? I have a 1998 Force/Mercury lower unit that is causing me fits to get lined up. Could be that I need to not have a couple of cold ones in me before I attempt putting it back together again, lol. Cheers mate!
good video Dangar. I was to ask
What does the microswitch do in the remote control box? Mine has been gaffer taped.
oh and Merry Christmas
I feel like this is my problem on my DF140 but is there any adjustment that I might be able to try first before I get that far into the gearbox?