Why an ex-Corvette Z06 driver chose an AP1 over an AP2 S2000
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- Опубліковано 15 гру 2024
- This is a Point-of-view drive where I talk about some of the main reasons for choosing an AP1 s2000 over an AP2.
#s2000 #honda #jdm #initiald #s2k #pov #z06
In case anyone was wondering about reliability. I've dailied my Ap1 for 8 years. It has 265k miles and everything still works.
Thanks for sharing. While there are claims that the AP2 is more reliable (because of the retainers, etc.) the AP1 still gets us the Honda reliability that we love from this era. What year is your AP1?
@@bornagainmotoring it's a 2000 year. Silverstone with all black interior
Yeah, a Honda NA engine, can't go wrong, you really got a beautiful car!
I have had my S2K AP1 for 13 years and still love it - 163K miles.
@@thedodged100build5same year and spec as mine 😂
To me it’s simple , 9,000>8,000 just can’t beat it ..
Definitely a rarity indeed! Very few cars have that great honor, even today.
@s2000 Mugen 9,000>8,000
@s2000 Mugen I guess at the end of the day, it really depends where someone’s passion in for driving. If it’s to tune and have more power then the AP2 is the better choice. If it’s for visceral experience raw experience, for me the AP1. There are no wrong answers with the S2K, just amazing machines all around.
It's apples to oranges imo. I prefer the ap1 for many reasons. But with an ap2, you give up as much as you gain. Reliability, streetability, slightly more modern etc.
Well said
In the UK, we never got the AP2, We're forever grateful :-)
Indeed - you got the face lift and suspension updates but kept the F20c! Would love one of those.
Thanks for the great video. I couldn't agree more. I have a 2001 S2K totally stock with close to 240K miles and still drives perfect. We lovingly do all of the regular maintenance. Told the kids that I'll never sell her. Just hearing and feeling the run-up always puts a smile on my face. Truly a magical car.
That’s amazing, man! I love hearing about high mileage examples still going strong. It’s really a special vehicle and much like you, I don’t want to sell mine if I have the choice. It just gets more beautiful as time passes. A real classic.
I prefer the ap1 all day, for all the reasons you mentioned and more. But my friends 05 ap2 really does feel more refined. It's an easy choice for me, but I totally understand those who can't decide.
Exactly. If I only had one car, I think the AP2 makes a lot more sense. Because of where I’m at in life at the moment, I can sacrifice all the comforts since this isn’t my daily driver.
Hey man, great video. Loved my AP1 when i had it, and love my AP2 now. The secret sauce with the AP2 is to swing for the 04-05, you get all the chassis improvements without things like traction control or electronic throttle, only thing you miss is that sweet F20. Like you said, can't go wrong either way though.
God bless and merry Christmas!
I appreciate you, bro! If I do end up getting an AP2 it would most definitely be an 04-05 like you said. Unless of course a CR falls in my lap 😁 - have a blessed day and thanks for the support.
Thank you for clearing this up for me! I was puzzled by what he was referring to when it came to those features because i have an 05.
@@Nick22257 Yup - I was really focused on the AP1 but I'm aware of the early model AP2s and would be the way to go for me 😃
Love your philosophy on cars and I'd have to agree! I had an AP1 for 11 years and can't imagine any other car that will ever be quite like it.
I appreciate that! Taking a look at your channel, seems we have similar interests. Would love to run with you on Akina downhill.
@@bornagainmotoring That would be awesome!
Yup the Ap1 feels your sole too. I've had my silver s2000 2002 since 2010. Just put the honda OEM clutch myself last year and it's just like new. I found it's sole again as it found mine.
nothing like it! I heard the clutch job can be a bit of a pain.
@@bornagainmotoring ya it was no easy job I had to use the scope to aid in finding the top engine mount just to make sure I had the socket on square. But its satisfying when the task is complete.
@@bluedragonbikerskin855 I bet, huge accomplishment! Thanks for sharing
Thanks for this bro, helped me feel alot better about the one im going to get Monday. Used to drive a bunch of Hondas (integra, rsx, civics, preludes) you name it but never had an S2000. These things are becoming more legendary like you said and are only becoming more expensive. Figured I better get one now so I dont end up kicking myself in the butt down the road when they are 100k. So I sold my 2018 Lexus IS350 yesterday and the one Im going to look at Monday is an 2000 AP1 with 39k. Sadly Im going to have to daily mine for the time being but Im young(25) ill make it work lol.
Ahhh I just made it to the end of the video and heard you say all glory to God. Suddenly your channel name makes more sense. Amen brother may God continue to bless you and your family. Never forget him in all you do. "When doubts filled my mind, your comfort gave me renewed hope and cheer." -Psalm 94:19 Enjoy the holidays bro! Sick car!
I’m glad to help brother! And congratulations on the one you’re getting. How exciting - it’ll be a keeper and while the IS 350 is great (even a better daily) the smiles per gallon will make up for it. As far as the channel name goes, you nailed it! May God bless you in all that you do and provide to you with skilled hands and enable you the desires of your heart.
I have a gs300 as a daily but most days I still choose my s2000 even if there’s traffic
That’s hardcore but I can’t blame you. If you don’t need the space, why not?
@@bornagainmotoring I have an 8th gen civic SI which only comes with the k20z3 one of the best k20 engines 11:1 compression 200hp 8000 rpm redline with a short ratio 6 speed and helical lsd. Even being a fwd civic it feels like it's always ready to turn racecar it's like a somewhat normal car on crack 🤣 it's so fun and rewarding to drive but in traffic it's a slug the lack of torque is genuinely something that can be annoying sometimes that was until I got hondata and a couple hp supporting mods it's a completely different car 4300 VTEC engagement with 8600 rev limit making 220hp with just a exhaust and Intake! It really makes it a nicer daily driver and driving experience I recommend hondata and a couple power adders ( mostly for sound )
I agree with you brother 💯 I have a 02 S2K, use to have an 05 AP2, I think there is nothing like the original design that the engineers intended. I love the look of the AP1 a little more.Had 3 Miatas b4 but the S2K is such a different beast from a Miata. The AP1 is only for a person that knows how to drive and appreciates it.
Facts! I had an ND2, which I spoke about in a different video. It’s not the same. These are the best roadsters ever built 👍
Great video. I've had my totally stock, all numbers matched, 2001 AP1 for 12 years now and thoroughly enjoy driving it. More smiles per mile than anything I have ever driven, especially hitting that incredible 9ooo rpm redline. What a truly great legendary car. Either AP1 or AP2, one can't really go wrong in choosing either.
Thank you for sharing. Those that have the opportunity to own one of these cars seem to stand in solidarity with the experience.
In Europe we never got the AP2, we essentially got a "facelift AP1" with the F20c engine that revs to 9000 RPM🙂
I may have bought that if they offered it in the states 😄
@@bornagainmotoring You could import one to the US!
If I did any importing, it would probably be for a late model FD RX-7 since the last model we got here was ‘95 😀
Awesome video! I’m glad someone is out here showing AP1’s love
Thanks! Since making this video I’ve been surprised at how much support the AP1 has
Hi there from The Netherlands ❤
I just ran into this video and the one thing I've noticed is that you have a "calm mindset" while talking.. you're easy and well thought about things.. I don't know exactly what it is but it calmed me down. I was a bit angry, restless because of?..i don't know.. I just wanted to thank you for this review. I still have a integra type r dc2, so exciting with a lot of Soul! I also had a stock 1gen, 2gen and 3rd gen crx and those were hardcore, a ep3 type r but never had a S2000. I never even drove one..aw heck.. anyway I understand the things you've mentioned here. Thanks for this honest review.
Hello and Thanks for stopping by and sharing your feedback. I always love to hear a fellow motorist share their experience. Those classic Hondas you owned are amazing machines as well. I would love to drive a Type R DC2 some day.
Picked up a numbers matching model year Ap1 a couple months ago. One of the first 5000 cars in the country. Its a survivor. Some parts need to be changed from sitting for the past 10 years, but she's going to a good home. If I ever choose to sell it, i know ill probably get twice the amount I paid for it because its staying stock. Keep yours a time capsule bud, have fun🤘
Congrats on your find! Do you plan on documenting your restore? I'd love to see it. Thanks for the support.
@@bornagainmotoring I've been thinking about throwing a couple videos up on UA-cam yeah👍 Been documenting it as much as possible. Poor thing is under a cover in a garage for winter. Summer can't come soon enough!
I’ll sub so I can check it out if you do👍
To me, its more for the achivement that a stock engine can rev to 9000rpm. Its pure performance.
The 2.0L was meant for this car and continued to be used elsewhere then america.
When I bought my S2000 last year, I wanted the real experience, the less refine as you said.
I would not spit on the AP2, but for me, AP1 as a plus value for it’uniquness…
Thx for sharing, can’t wait to drive it. (Still winter in Canada, Québec)
Cheers!
Thanks for dropping by and sharing your personal experience. It seems we have the same idea of this platform.
Thats exactly the thing with honda engines anything that says dohc vtec on it is pure performance even more so than tons of sports cars and v8's im talking actual engine performance relative to size and layout because thats something everyone ignores especially boomers so it pains me when i have to fill up my 8600rpm k20 si which makes 100hp perlitre and gets a bad for a honda 24mpg people say you dont need to put premium in it, its just a honda! And i bet these same people who are all around me would say the same about the s2000 and i just dont think i could handle such ignorance 😂
I choose the 2004 AP2 because of the upgraded suspension and carbon synchros on the transmission and stronger rear end. That alone sold me on the AP2, the better looking bumpers and lights where a plus.. I have never driven an AP1 so i can't compare how it feels.. but my AP2 handles amazing.
The benefits you mentioned if an AP2 are certainly great. 2004-2005 is the way to go in my opinion! The AP1 has superb handling but snap oversteer will creep up on you if you’re not careful.
@@bornagainmotoring i need to drive one to compare the difference.. i also havent driven the 2006+ AP2 with electronic throttle and all the driving assistance.. regardless of what year s2k all of them are amazing driven the right way.
Agreed! One of the greatest drivers cars in history and ownership of any model should be enough to rake in smiles per gallon.
I own both AP1 (2001) and AP (2006). I agree with the video. They are both great in their own ways. It really depends on what you're looking for. The 9k on the AP1 is an amazing experience but the 8k on the AP2 is also as awesome. It's not as easy as because of the 9k that makes the AP1 better. More doesn't always mean better. The more usable torque on the AP2 makes it a better daily driver. The AP1 steering wheel is tighter, which I like. 2006 and up are easier to tune since it's drive by wire.
Do your research and get what fits your goal or just choose the better condition one. You won't go wrong with AP1 or AP2 and if you can't pick one, get them both like me 😅
I appreciate this comment since you’re speaking from ownership of owning both! Thanks for dropping by. I fall into the camp of wanting to own both as well 😂
It’s like the K20 vs K24 debate. No right answer… just depends on your flavor.
Agreed!
Nice explantation of your rational... if i may say. On my side I am lucky as in Europe we have a nice combination with the FC20 engine on the AP2 body. My S2000 is even better a '04-'05 FC2O engine (Cable throttle) in the AP2 body, we call it AP1 Serie2.
I appreciate that. Your car would be a dream spec for many of us out here. Europe and Japan really got the best S2Ks. Sure we got the CR but Japan still had their flavors.
I had the choice between an AP1 and an AP2 as well, and I always say the exact same things you say in this video. From my perspective, you are spot on. I love my choice, and, as an S2000 purist, I love my AP1 (2001)
Totally understand the purist spirit! This platform just has a certain way of taking hold of us 😃 - mine is also a 2001. Love it even with all of its quirks like the clutch buzz.
@@bornagainmotoring Came across this quote a few years ago: "My S2000 makes me feel alive because it feels like it could kill me."
I’ll have to quote that soon!
Great Vid! I bought an AP1 brand new in 2002 and sold it. Now I am looking to get another one and was always thinking I'd want an AP2 this time but after thinking about it and hearing what you said, I'm not so sure! I loved the way it drove and it always brought a smile to my face! It would be a weekend car for me so the little more torque wouldn't really need to be a necessity....😁
Thank you for stopping by! Yes and I still stand behind that thought. Neither car is blazing fast and the little bit of extra torque takes away from the overall character. If it were your only car, I’d say AP2 all day but for a toy, get the one that’s more raw! My C8 is my daily now and the s2k is my weekend car so when I drive it, it feels basically like a go kart.
I like the AP1 too, but if I had one, I would switch the front head lights, rear lights and rear bumper for the one of an AP2.
That would look excellent. the Europe market or the 2004-05 JDM market S2K would be perfect for you since it’s the best of everything
Since I'm getting this as my only car, I gotta go with an AP2, it's just more friendly as a daily driver. Though I can fully understand the points you mentioned and I am sure as a pure weekend toy, the AP1 is likely more exciting.
I hope you really enjoy it when you get it, Ap1 or AP2, no hate from me! Nothing like either of them.
Driven and owned a ton of cars including two AP1s. As far as driving excitement and engagement it’s still at the top of the list.
Amen!
Owned my ap1 for 10 years now!
Nice! What would you say the biggest issue you’ve had with it is in those 10 years?
the BRZ/GR86 is by far the best choice for a 1 car that can truly do everything with very little compromise in any area and it deserves full credit for that. But for as a secondary car, nothing comes close to the AP1 unless you get into the $60k+ price range. and a clean one of these is 20-30. (for now). Completely agree with the sentiment. I test drove one of these and I'm hooked. Plan on pulling the trigger when the WRX is paid off and plan on having both those cars forever.
Nice, I owned a ‘15 STi and I loved it. Those cars make excellent dailys! With that and an AP1, you’re all set.
I had an AP1 and now I have an AP2, and it's easier to live with around town but still a ton of fun. If I could have 1 for track days (which I no longer do) and 1 for a daily driver, it'd definitely be an AP1 for the track and an AP2 for the daily.
That sounds about right! I'd make the same choice if I were deciding to go full send S2Ks and have one as a daily
I dream of getting facelift AP1 before it went to drive by wire. So 2004 or 2005 one. Europe still got these with og f20c until very end of production woth AP2 upgrades except for engine and transmission and no nannies until 2006.
I would like one of those for my collection!
Had an AP1 and am looking to buy another one 16 years later because I can't find anything newer that is more raw and fun for the price as a toy.
Facts. I was tempted to get a GR86 since it was near the same price... couldn't find one that wasn't marked up. I also considered a 2008 Cayman S but preferred the S2000.
Absolutely in love with my AP1. It's just you and the car. No drive by wire, no traction control, just a raw experience and a 9000rpm redline. It's unlike any other car out there.
Truth! Those are all the reasons I really enjoy this car. The only thing that could make it better is if they dropped the electronic steering but it’s really not that big of a deal.
My completely stock sabering silver 2005 AP2 is drive by cable and has no traction control option also. I got it because I like updated exterior looks, wider stock rims, lower 6th gear drive for better fuel economy for freeway cruising. I try to avoid any aftermarket parts because I wanted to drive the car Honda engineers designed the car to be driven and don't want to be grouped with the racing jdm import scene. Both cars are very similar, the AP2 is just a little bit quicker than the AP1 due to the torque by the numbers.
I just did my first mod on the car last week after owning it for 12 years! I got a plug and play (no wire cutting) 3rd break light strobe mod. It blinks 6 times and turns red solid each time I press the breaks. I got it mainly for safety to get the attention of drivers behind me because I get tailgated all the time by big cars like SUVs. I assume it's because the s2k is a small car so drivers think they are alot further away from me than reality. In California, it is the only state to legalize rear flashing break lights.
I still use the OEM radio, so I bought a cigarette transmitter that allows me to pair my smartphone to the OEM deck via Bluetooth to stream music and gps navigation for turn by turn instructions. Having a Samsung smart watch paired with the phone is nice. I can navigate GPS turn by turn visually and change songs on my phone with my watch without breaking the law as I drive.
Thanks for taking the time to write out your ownership experience. If I were to do an AP2, it would be a 2005 for the reasons you mentioned. It seems we have similar ideas about keeping it pretty stock. I really don’t want to do too much to it. OEM+ for me! At 12 years of ownership, sounds like you’re keeping it forever… how many miles does yours have now?
@@bornagainmotoring its just about to hit 60,000 miles on the clock. I bought it from some old folks with 27,000 miles on it. Congrats on getting an S! Don't forget to wave hi at other s2k owners when you see them👋. Since there is a cult following, you can get the service manual digitally for free if you look around. Any DYI for maintenance for the car can easily be found online too.
Noted, in that case 👋
As the saying goes, the ap2 is the better car, but the ap1 is the better s2000.
I've driven both. To me, the ap2 is too boring. Too refined. The ap1 is on another level of raw. The visceral f20c and twitchy rear end make quite the experience.
I couldn’t agree more! In fact I quoted that at the end. I would still drive an AP2 over many other cars though.
As someone who drove over 1000 different cars (thanks to my father who had a car dealership) since I started to learn to drive, there is nothing like driving a shortwheel base lightweight car with a engine that wants always to meet the redline.
Couldn't agree more!
Summed up perfectly, looking to own another S2000 soon
Thanks bro. Hope you get one soon. What have you owned since then?
Some people just don't realize, power isn't all. Smiles is. 9kalltheway puts on smiles for days. Glad I've owned an AP1!
Power, while fun, is never satisfied… it’s an endless chase, at least for me. I found myself excited at first and then after time when I’m used to it wanting more. I’m sure there’s a larger life lesson in there! But yeah, just enjoying what something is or meant to be and pushing it to those limits is really what does it for me.
I own both agree with your opinions. Just got my Ap1 back yesterday and respect the difference and love the chartaristics that both offer. Ap1 Ap2 Life❤
Though I recorded this over a year ago, my opinion remains unchanged and the joy and respect for the platform, both AP1 and AP2 has increased. There will never be anything like these cars again.
Thanks for the video. Is that stock exhaust? Sounds sweet. Im currently looking to buy an AP2, especially 2006+. It's hard to find a clean one with right color, mileage and price.
Thank you! It is the stock exhaust, no mods to sounds whatsoever.
Just found this channel and enjoyed this vid. I also went through few different cars (while I had my S2k the entire time) and yea, you get used to the power.. always end up wanting more (or something different to experience). I like my '07 cause it is refined and tuning ability. Only thing I wish it had from the AP1/CR is the quicker steering rack.
Also, those who DD the S2k usually end up hating it lol... it's a special occasion type of car and how it retains the specialness
It’s true, power is like money: you just keep wanting more 😃 - finding the beauty in what a car is designed for and driving it for that reason goes a long way. Thanks for sharing your experience. It is my hope to get an AP2 as well, specifically a CR 🫡
I agree, the AP-1 is raw, it reminds me of a Triumph TR6, or Alfa Romeo Spider, but it runs!
And keeps running 😂
I use my s2k just for weekends and love it.
That’s mainly the only time I get to use mine too
That 9k redline, man... it looks soo clean as well!! How are those seats treating you?
Thanks Brotha! Seats still feeling dreamy 😁
You can run an 06+ to 8500 with flashpro. If keeping the car relatively stock with a tune that’s where it’s at. I’ve had too many s2000s to count
With your experience, do you prefer the AP2 with a flash?
Everyone talks about the redline, but they changed a lot. The AP1 has a faster steering ratio. They slowed it down for the AP2 and brought it back for the CR. The AP2 has a heavier flywheel and different gear ratios too. Suspension bits were changed too. The AP1 is definitely more raw and the AP2 is more comfort focused for the American market.
What you stated is exactly why I went AP1👍
In all I feel that the AP1 is just the more affordable option. The AP2 is the better car and motor, hence the consistently better lap times. As for 9k argument, an f22 can be tuned to do that also. Most kids into these just can't afford the AP2. No one would trade their AP2 for an AP1 but an AP1 owner would trade up to an AP2 in a heartbeat. The rawness and lack of aids, those things can be easily disabled, but for someone who is going to spend most of their time in civilian traffic why would you want to. Also, the whole DBW vs Cable, well DBW is also an upgrade in every way that can also be tuned via ECU, they are so many benefits from flat foot shifting, launch control etc. hence the reason why many people convert cable to DBW in some older sports cars.
In my case, I could’ve gotten an AP2 but I wanted the AP1 for the aforementioned reasons. While shopping, a low mileage, good condition AP1 was slightly cheaper but still closer to 30k if not over, with the AP2 with similar mileage being a few thousand more. I came from a C7 Z06 which was far more expensive in every way than both AP1 and AP2 and much more modern… I still chose the AP1.
I didn't care what s2000 I got, AP1 or 2, I just wanted one I could afford haha. Ended up finding a deal on an 2004 AP2 and It's so good! I really enjoy it.
Do you guys feel that the car is safe at higher speeds on the highway?
It’s safe, just important to understand its limits and your own limits.
AP2 is better in every aspect except for weight. The lighter flywheel is also a plus. Besides that I can’t think of anything else. They are all great though.
As you said, they are all great!
Um, no it isn't. The Ap2 is a compromise. In fact, the AP2 is technically not even an "s2000".
The AP2 is for sure different but it’s still in its own class compared to other cars and for that it’s still special.
@@bornagainmotoring my point was that the name 's2000" come from the 2.0 Liter displacement. Technically the AP2 should be an s2200. What makes this car so special is the 2 liter engine and the 9k redline. The AP2 here in USA was a compromise to appease market.
I get what you’re saying. I think the one caveat is that in other markets, the 2.0 liter was retained such as in Europe. But in previous lineage, the s550, s600, s800 followed suit.
Nice review, but FYI, the 2004-2005 AP2 has no driver aids and uses cable throttle like the AP1.
That right! If I were to get an AP2, it would be one of those years... save for a CR of course.
I'm in Arlington Texas. Where are you?
I’m in the North Dallas area
AP1 for me too, but it’s insane that we even have a choice.
My answer would be simple … 9k. Nuf said
My man gets straight or the point 🫡
Man, this is my dream car. I'm only 20 years old and don't currently have the capital to comfortably afford this. I just hope that when I do have the money, they aren't worth too much more than they are now!
The fact that you said "I don't have the capital to (comfortably) afford this" says a lot about your mindset, which is a good thing. I pray you will achieve one someday. While I wish I could say I believe the prices will crash tremendously, I'm not sure how true that is given its overall history. When it does come for you to buy one, it is my hope it is well within your means, even if it's priced like an MK4 Supra.
Just keep your mind at it man, it was my dream car when it came out. I was in high school and I couldn’t afford one then but now I have owned both the Ap1 2003 and now own a 2005 ap2. For me I prefer the ap2 04-05 no electronics still revs to 8200. But either one is a wonderful piece of engineering and puts a smile on my face every time I drive it.
We're lucky to have the facelift but f20c engine in the uk. best of both worlds. I have an 04 with 105k miles on it.
You were blessed with the perfect combo out there! The US market is the big reason for the 2.2 that eventually went to Japan.
I also chose an AP1>AP2. Violent Vtec, 9k rpm, cable throttle body, no traction control, cluster is set up better, seats with helmet holes are better... I have AP2 bumpers and wheels. Just missing the AP2 tranny.
Agree, AP1 seems like the platonic ideal of the s2k, more of a purist’s choice. I love my ‘01.
BTW where in TX are you? I’m in Houston.
Mine is an '01 as well. What do you love most about yours? I'm in the DFW area currently.
@@bornagainmotoring I love the timeless styling that is aging amazingly well. And of course the transmission… best manual out there IMO (except maybe the Porsche 6MT which I haven’t tried but I hear is great). I also love the 6MT in my ND2 mx-5 but the S2k is another level. Oh and the characterful engine with 9k redline. Sorry couldn’t pick just one lol.
I agree with everything you said, thanks for sharing. I enjoyed the ND2 transmission too but it’s like 90% of what the S2k’s is in terms of enjoyment. I haven’t driven the Porsche 6MT but have heard mixed reviews in comparison. The fact that people compare the S2K to Porsche says a lot.
Did you ever think about a BMW M3 when shopping for this?
Not this time around, though I am definitely a fan of the E90.
I'm a firm believer in truly "driving" my cars, and I prefer to keep them bonestock.
AP2 is definitely the way to go if you love to "drive" cars like me. Over bumps on high speed turns, the AP1 will straight up kill you. Unless you tune out that snap oversteer, you're going straight into a tree / off the canyon. It's not a matter of skill, it's a matter of physics. The limit for the AP1 is way below what you'd think the chassis would allow, because Honda completely fucked up the suspension set-up from factory. Once you go above the limit, there is no amount of skill that can save you.
The AP2 doesn't have that problem. Therefore to me, the better choice is obvious.
But if you're only city driving or highway driving in a straight line and only taking turns at intersections. Then the AP1 is a fine choice.
I appreciate you sharing your perspective… I don’t completely agree with what you said in terms of skill. The right amount of skill would entail knowing the driving environment and not putting in the wrong inputs at the wrong time in a front mid-engined car with snap oversteer and no driver’s aids. Sure, once the line is crossed, very rarely can it be saved but with high enough skill that shouldn’t happen. Additionally, the AP2 with all driver’s aids on and a driver lacking in skill and inputs can mess up badly, the chances are just lower. Both are great cars.
Im so envious of your mindset about not wanting more power. When my sti hatch was totaled i impulse bought a 2005. An ap2v1 which has the motor and throttle cable but not flash tunable. I wish i had bought an 06+. I was more focused on the potential weak links than the positives. I cant keep up with any of my friends on cruises, and my local roads are not good for momentum cars. Im on track to do over 30k miles in it as my daily this year, and i will likely go back to an sti or an e9xM3. i will definitely own another in the future when it can be a track toy and not my daily. I would have no reason to sell it if it made comparable power to my subaru.
I appreciate you. Yeah, I developed this mindset having owned so many cars and chasing power as well as other performance benchmarks. Over time, the itch was scratched and I've learned what I truly appreciate about cars. For me, I just enjoy the art of driving... preferably with a manual transmission 🏎
@@bornagainmotoring if i lived in the mountains or was in a position to track frequently i would be in the same boat! But im doing my car a disservice by commuting in it and not having twisty roads anywhere near me. Taking it to grattan solidified that for me. I dont want a car thats too fast for my skill level but you cant really enjoy anything but propulsion and inputs around here.
@@Nick22257 I hear that - as a daily it can be a little rough but it would make an excellent weekend car for you if you have the option. To follow up on what you said previously, I mentioned I had an STi at one point and it checks many boxes: Performance and practicality being the biggest. Hope your next ride is everything you're looking for.
Hello.just wondering did your friend drive a NC Miata?
An NC Miata? I have friends that have driven them. I have personally not but I owned an ND Miata and enjoyed it.
@@bornagainmotoring Thank for your response.I just sold a white NA Miata.he bought it for his girlfriend and he drive a NC Miata,when he come to my house pickup that car with his friend,his friend also have a 2003 s2000,I saw your videos I think you and me live pretty close,that guys bought my Miata also live in this area,I thought you might be that guy who dive s2000 :)
You’re welcome, no not me, has to be a different s2k driver. Are you in the DFW area?
@@bornagainmotoring ok,because I saw one of your video driving by a 711 on Eldorado,where I live just 2mins of there.I just got my second ap1 this month.
I’ll see you around then 😉
But why would you ever go from a z06 to an s2000?
As someone who has owned many different performance cars, the S2000 offers everything I need to have fun and remains purely driver focused. The Z06 was absolutely superior from a mechanical standpoint and could handle power in stock form reliably in a way that the S2000 can only dream of. But it isn't about that for me anymore.
At this stage in life, I just want something I can get into and experience the art of driving in. The S2000 accomplishes that very well for me. With that said, the Z06 was definitely one of my favorite cars I've had the pleasure of owning. It has such a high limit and that's what enticed me the most about it.
Tough call, I love my AP2 and I feel like it needs more torque as it is.. no desire to go to an Ap1. To each their own.
I love your AP2 as well… never seen it but it’s an S2K, so I love it
I have a 2008 and a 2003. The former goes to weddings, and the latter goes to the track 😎
So one’s a tuxedo and the other is a pair of boxing gloves? 🫡
@@bornagainmotoring Precisely! Well put 👌
Moral of the story: RX8 or WRX if it's your only car, definitely this if it's your secondary
Having owned both an RX-8 and an STi previously, I could agree with that assessment. Or even one of the Toyobaru siblings. Of course the reliability of the RX-8 will linger in the back of the average drivers mind but it is still one of my favorite driver’s cars. 9k+ RPMs and 4 seats? Nothing else like it.
@@bornagainmotoring yeah that is badass
You can't go wrong with either the Ap1 or Ap2, but the notion that the Ap1 is more raw is a misconception. The 04-05 Ap2 (no driving aids, no TPMS, no drive by wire) are just as raw as the Ap1, while having a slightly more durable motor, shorter gear ratio and a stronger LSD. The rev limit of the Ap2 is 8200rpm vs the 88rpm of the Ap1, so it's only a 600 difference. Besides a bit more torque, the Ap2 motor also makes about 10hp across the entire rev curve (Honda used a different calculation method for the Ap2).
You’re right about the 04-05 S2Ks and if I were to get an AP2 it would be one of those. The steering ratio in the AP1 is quicker which adds to the aforementioned rawness. Also the fuel cutoff Is 8900 in the AP1 but tbh it’s just splitting hairs. Both great platforms but with the rear suspension being a bit more tail happy + the lack of aids + a little bit less “unreliability” (it’s still reliable😂) my conclusion is still that it’s more raw between the two.
LOL, but ap2 drivers still crashes their cars everyday , even though ap2 is easier to drive.
but agree, ap1 is nicer and has more fun to drive~
I love the ap2 wheels coz they are lighter. but ap1 wheels looks good.
All facts. The AP2 V1 wheels are my favorite S2K wheels personally.
What keys are those?
It’s a custom key that you can find on eBay or Etsy. A locksmith has to cut it and also have to ensure you get the right year because it is chipped: www.etsy.com/listing/1388608147/
Ap1 sport
ap2 gt
Good way of putting it
I’ll take safety over spirit any day! Too many horror stories about completely shredded AP1s, due to that fishy ass of their’s. That being said, I’ve been the second owner of an all-stock 2004 Silverstone S-2000 with the OEM hardtop since July 2012 (currently only 98k on the odo).Love the car, but not my daily driver. That honor goes to my 2013 Camaro. S-2000s are becoming ghosts. I NEVER see them around anymore.
Can't fault you for that! That OEM hardtop must be real nice. I eventually want to get one. The truth is, for me coming from a C7 Z06, so a fishy back end feels right at home.
I had a 2002 AP1 and now have a 2006 AP2. The AP1 was much faster due to the additional 1000 RPM available for VTEC.
Do you miss your AP1 or are you glad you made the switch?
how much did you pay for that?
I’m going to cover that in a video soon 😃
Oh my what horrible rough roads you have out there
They can be pretty bad… some areas are smooth but literally one block later everything can change
AP1 is the best!
It definitely does the job!
I would love to do a built engine on my s2000 and rev it out to 10 k just for shits and giggles
Are normal roads in states as bumby as on this video?
-Foreigner
Not everywhere, however where I live they did a pretty terrible job with construction. My wheel fitment and 20+ year old suspension don't help either.
@@bornagainmotoring Okey :) Maybe adjustable suspension could be considerable? Maybe fatter tires also .. Comfort is sometimes against looks and sport, i know
@@SIMOPARAS I will count on it as soon as one of the shocks goes out 😃
yes!!!! AP1 all day!
Amen!
03' AP1 >>>>
Enough said!
That 2009 S2k would be worth like $35k now lol
Yeah 😩😩😩
03 AP1 is peak
I have an ap1 with the exact same exterior and interior color as yours. My buddy owns/have owned Z06's. I also own/have owned faster cars, ex. FD rx-7, Evo Viii, Soarer Twin turbo, R33 GTR. There were all modified and much faster than my S2K. But man, there is something really special about a high revving Honda V-tech engine. Like you said, there's none like it and I don't think Honda will ever produce something like this again. The new FL5 Type R is nice, but it's just got too many creature comforts and tech, and even artificial engine sounds. Complete opposite of what an S2000 is.
You completely get it - this car is special. There are many faster and some other great cars out there but the spirit of this one hits differently. I like the new FL5 and even the FK8 but none of them can ever be this. Throwing more power at those won't make it any better either.
I wish I was the size of Gary Coleman for a day so I could drive one of these oldies.
Funniest comment all morning 😂
You don’t have to be that short! For reference, I’m 6ft even so maybe just wish for that for a day?
8000>9000 because you get all 240 hp 1000 rpm sooner than later Ap2 😎
Ap1 all day!!!
Everyday!
In short:
AP2: is the better car
AP1: is the better s2000
Yup
Ap2 looks better 😅
I do love me some AP2 aesthetics but I'm in favor of the AP1 as long as it has the factory lip and spoiler like mine. Most AP1s I see are lipless and look a little incomplete. At first I wanted to drop the headlights and taillights for the AP2 versions but they really started to grow on me. I also prefer the AP1 bumper as it has that dark contrast on the bottom.
i already have my ap2 now time to get an ap1 lol
Having both would be goals! Throw a CR in there and call it complete.
Your intro is too loud compared to your video sound.
This was my old intro and I have since learned a few things since publishing this video, although my newer may still have some elevated noise levels. Thanks for stopping by!
Ap2 is a downgrade . S2000 was famous for the Hp/l for an N/A engine . Also for the driving experience. Driver and the car, without any help. Ap2 was for weak drivers and people that don't care about that unique record of its time. For regular Americans some Ap3 . 3l V8 auto would have been the best. So their opinion about this car is irrelevant
I agree with the HP/Liter and driving experience part. There are just somethings that you cannot find in other cars. I do believe it’s also a mindset and experience thing as well. Not everyone is fortunate enough to be at a point where they can experience the raw thrill and AP1 has to offer or they, do to past trauma May like the stability the AP2 offers. That’s part of the human condition. I will say that I’m glad to be able to truly enjoy the characteristics this AP1 offers.
@@bornagainmotoring when i bought my ap1 was on Potenza Re002. Very unpredictable and dangerous. I replaced them with Re050 made in Europe also. Still not good and not fast enough on track for street tires. Then i tried the original tires that came on car from new. Much faster on track and the car became so easy to drive. Just like my Fwd Prelude. Now i enjoy the car and i understand exactly what Uehara wanted with this machine. In the end i guess people are going in the wrong direction when they start to change things with this car and not respecting Honda engineering. They were made to be fun , easier to drive than people think and more reliable if they are kept with original parts and service items
I do view Honda as very meticulous when it comes to their engineering processes… especially that era of Honda. It’s something I really appreciate about them. In my opinion, there’s something special about driving stock cars and maxing out the capability from every manufacturer.