Marrying a Man as a Mormon Lesbian | Interview with TikTok Star Ash Morgan
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- Опубліковано 29 вер 2024
- Sam interviews musician and lesbian content creator Ash Morgan, who grew up Mormon, got married in the temple, and later left the church to live more authentically. Stay tuned until the end to see THE LITERAL CUTEST COUPLE YOU HAVE EVER SEEN HOW ARE THEY SO GOOD LOOKING MY GOD
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my Question is for Tanner & Sam but mainly Sam.
Sam, How does it fell being in a relationship {whatever you call your time spent with Tanner} being that he is sexually attracted to & aroused by "boys" and not just Boys but boys-prepubescent; Tanner do find it hard to continue to conceal your preference from your followers, you know being that your continued engagement of pedophilia & do you really think your gross ideology to perihelia falls under the healthy sexual preference of human nature?
I just want to get your [Sam] take on the issue, before the shit hits the fan. Me personally I think you already know or suspect it but just want to ride the publicity wave before Tanner's secret is out. not that there is much time before the shit hits the fan but hey thought you might want to give your statements.
Curious ... are you gay?
It broke my heart a little when she said I wasn’t tempted sexually so I guess I was pure. Sexual attraction or arousal isn’t immorality or something to be ashamed of, it’s a natural part of being human.
that is the religious indoctrination actually.....you don't discover your sexuality until years later if you are lucky....we are sinners in the church if you masterbate or have sex prior to marriage...I didn't even orgasm until after I gave birth. We are raised in the church to feel shame all around sex and yet UTAH and the church has some of the highest rates of sibling abuse and sex abuse that is covered up... I admire Ash for living her life and being with whom she loves....glad she got off the kool aid.
@@fullcirclebirthworksmacken4196 sad to hear about sex abuse covered 😢
Almost got married in the temple because of peer/religious pressure and I’m so glad it didn’t happen! I would’ve been so miserable and stuck with kids I know I do not want. I have so many stories and I’m so much happier now. Still going through things and trying to figure out myself with the church or even without the church but I’m happier on my journey.
Oy, that story of "I'm working hard and so happy" and sudden burnout. So familiar--as soon as you let yourself doubt, it all falls apart.
I've seen her tiktoks! Love this interview and really relate to it as a fellow LGBTQ+ divorced exmo.
So, my mom did the samething, she only just got divorced with my dad 5 months ago, I'm really proud of her🥺. I just realized some of you are probably going to know who I'm talking about lol.
@@ciobalina7445 My parents are still bestfriends... they love each other very much, my mom was still in denial about her sexuality for a long time and she finally got out of that internalized homophobia at the age of 40, you don't know my story so please stop making assumptions, my parents are both wonderful people who talk to each other constantly and after my mom finally got over her internalized homophobia my parents together decided what was best. In the mormon religion at that time church leaders were calling them "homosexual tendencies" as a young adult my mom thought she could just ignore them and they would go away. Both of my parents say they don't regret being married but are now happier as they are now. Don't pretend you know my life. My parents now ask each other for dating advice with their girlfriend's lol, and go on double dates. I'm sure it was hard for my dad, I'm sure it was hard for both of them but please stop making my dad the victim, my parents communicated everything and are very comfortable with each other. Maybe in a general situation I can understand your opinion but this is my story and your opinion doesn't apply to it.
@@ciobalina7445 okay so now you're insulting my dad's intelligence... I mean you're talking to a 14 year old child and insulting her parents decisions so I'm glad you're doing that with your life. What's your goal here? Do you want me to hate my mom? Like what is the point of this argument? Because both of my parents are really intelligent people that if anything probably stayed together so long because of me and my sister. Which they were able to do because they love and care about each other. I'm not saying what my mom did was right but I am saying I don't think she really understood what was going on at the time, even now both my parents are very spiritual and also use that to guide them, that's another reason I believe they stayed together. I posted my story on the internet because I thought it might be nice to see a little perspective of someone who's been through it... although indirectly. My dad knew what was going on. He's one of the most amazing people I know and extremely smart. My dad is literally dating a women that my mom set him up with. I think they're okay, it's situational.
@@ciobalina7445 Look, context and knowledge is everything in such a sensitive situation, and in this situation it worked out fine. You're making generalizations about the people in my life when you have no clue who they even are. I feel like I'm just trying to argue with your assumptions. My parents got out of the situation. My parents are happy, the main person that was depressed while in the marriage was my mom. They both are getting therapy. Please stop acting like you know MY situation, you may know generalizations but you don't know my life. So it's strange of you to decide you know what's happened in it better than I do. But I suppose this is the internet so what do I expect? I still have the opinion that people can be decent human beings on the internet, weird right? I understand you may have a lot of opinions about this subject but please don't take it out on me, in all honesty I'd rather not argue with you... I'd like you to at least try and see my point of view though.
I love your profile picture 💖💜💙
Wow. This story hits deep.
And she's SUCH an emotionally insightful, maturely self-regulated, intelligent empathetic person....
it really is the religion that poisons human nature. I'm so happy for her that she was able to get that chance at questioning that indoctrination while she's still young! and after only one marriage...
A LOT of equally good deserving people don't find their way out with such good fortune, in time to rebuild an authentic fulfilling life for themselves.
As a gay who has mentored other gay's know that there is always someone who will help you if you need it.
you guys should publish your videos as podcasts! I would love to listen w out worrying keeping a video playing . Also sorry if what I typed didn’t make sense. Lol I blame indica 😌
I love this girl I follow her on tiktok:)
k, post mormon glow up. Everyone who leaves the church gets more attractive, it's science.
This is really cool! Love the zoom interviews, it's edited and put together really well!
You are so brave! Really inspiring. Congrats on this amazing an truthful journey
I love this. I think you did such a great job with this interview.
Great interview! Thanks to both of you.
I love this video and I love lesbians! ❤️
I love how Ash is blonde these days. ❤
I sooo relate to her story!!!!
♥️
How come you are English ?
Because I was born in England? Haha idk how to answer that
@@ZelphOntheShelf great. Nice fun sensible super brilliant positive vids
. I'm glad I was never LDS. Lots of culty things that you explain so well and as for beliefs one god fathering another is a made up religion.
The LDS community does not have much of a profile in England.
It's lovely to see that you're so happy now. You both seem great communicators.
That Victorian accent shreaks of occult sorcerous spell casting. Three clicks of those shoes and all hell poisons forth upon society.
how do i get my mormon missionary to leave the church? she so beautiful but she seem so brain wash
Loved this 💛 Compulsory heterosexuality hurts everyone but lgbt+ people especially. So glad that Ash got out and is living her best life!
There is no such thing as compulsory heterosexuality. There is a desire to lead a traditional family life in the sense of getting married to someone of the opposite sex and having kids, but that is a desire that individuals have, it’s not enforced from outside. It’s an internal desire to blend in and lead a life according to the norm. The term is misleading because it makes it seem as if it’s about sex, when it’s more about lifestyle. A married woman with kids who outwordly is feminine-behaving (submissive etc.) can have GF on the side to have sex with discretely without any problem; many husbands allow this. Some wives allow their husbands discrete homosexual activities as well.
They have SUCH great teeth. I don't think I've ever seen a couple with such great teeth. I'm pretty jealous.
Especially because she's English. OHHHH SNAP!!! LOL.
Omg🙈 thank you!!
In general Mormons have great teeth
@@vivahernando1 If true, it's kinda surprising, given how sugar is definitely their drug of choice.
Me too! I am a middle aged man and I am currently having the full works with extractions, fillings, implants, and bridges done. This will cost me a fortune.
I found it really interesting that she always thought girls were the prettier sex. I love this video thanks for sharing
I thought the exact same. I always assumed everyone was attracted to women, but women just have to be with men.
It was Tumblr for me. Made me realize i was definitely gay back in the day.
I love, love, LOVE hearing other lesbian's weird ways they tried to rationalize what love might be before they had their wake-up-call gay moment. I figured myself out fortunately pretty quickly, but I still clearly remember in middle school and early high school being a little scared and awkward around some guys, just generally sorta intimidated, and thinking that because it gave me a 'butterflies in stomach' feeling that must be what a crush is. Took until I was 16 and had my first real, intense crush on a girl that I realized all my guy 'crushes' were absolutely nothing like that. It really is so hard to describe love and when you don't have the compulsory heteronormative puberty experience, there's all sorts of other things you can try to slot in when you feel like being queer isn't an option
Do what is best for you and let others do what is best for them...
Finally an interviewer that doesn’t interrupt every 30 seconds! Good job girl 🌼🌼🌼
I just got outed to my parents (I’m bi and they looked through texts because I don’t deserve basic privacy) and my Mormon parents are kinda making it all about them. My dad is trying to be cool about it but my mom still sees it as a phase or just another issue about me. I wish I was able to leave the church. :/
I’m so sorry, that’s horrible. We just need to wait a few more years, then we can get out!
I'm sorry, I know it's so hard, I wasn't raised mormon but I had to go to a homophobic church for years while closeted and non-religious. You will get through it and there are so, so many years of sleeping in on sunday ahead of you!
I've experienced near the same thing and I definitely understand. It's hard but you'll get out of the system eventually
@@realbedo so sorry you’ve had to go through this too. I’m almost 18 so freedom is close!!!!!!
@annapatterson549 almost 17 for me but can't wait to see the other side
I realized years ago that “straight” wasn’t a label that feels right for me, but have been so confused and hesitant to label myself as bi, demi, grey ace, etc. bc it always feels like it doesn’t quite fit or there’s something I’m missing. It’s encouraging to hear from people within the LGBTQ+ community who took time to be sure of their identity. Especially ones who were raised Mormon, bc I think growing up Mormon is the reason I don’t know how to identify what I want, romantically or sexually. I always feel so unsure while dating, and it can take me weeks of telling myself “maybe I’m attracted to them?” before I realize, no, I’m actually not at all. I related a lot to what she said about not knowing if what you’re feeling is love/attraction.
Perhaps demisexual?
It’s completely okay to take your time, you don’t ever have to pick labels if you don’t want to. Just work on getting to a place where you’re comfortable with yourself. ❤️
Yes, just like someone before me pointed out, I think you don’t need to rush on deciding on a label. I think the more important thing is that you realized that “straight” is not it, so maybe “non-straight” is enough for now, together with just going out and seeing/experiencing what you like/want from a romantic partner. You’ll know when you feel attracted to someone. If you’re ambivalent, you’re probably not. There is a great article online entitled “Fuck yes or fuck no” that I read many years ago which helped me in areas of my life when it comes both to deciding on things and on interpreting people’s attitudes/behaviors towards me. I really recomment. The title is strong, but the article is really about how if you’re not 100% yes about something, then it’s no.. the same with people in your life: if they’re not 100% yes about you, then they’re not really that much into you.
A woman, by evolution, never feels to a man. Women have hard labor during pregnancy and support each other. Just when the woman enters menopause, she becomes an alpha woman because she has experience with pregnancy and can empathize with women bette
God I’m so glad I realized I was gay and got out of the church before it caused me to make any life altering decisions that I really didn’t want to make.
One of the biggest things that got me was “is this butterflies or full blown anxiety?” And it was always anxiety with men for me
Holy crap I loved this. I’m a closeted catholic who lives with his parents. So I feel like I really relate to this hardcore. I’ve never dated a man before but feel an attraction. And dating women just feels weird to me. But just wanted to say thank you for this.
The title already has me on the edge of my seat
Same
@@macbudy3439 have any recourses on that ??? I’d love to know about it if that disgusting situation is the case ?
“It’s so great being gay with you” i love it!!! Also you did a good interview :)
I wasn't brought up in any religion but am a late bloomer lesbian and have only figured it out in the past few weeks. I have a lot of things in common with Ash and can't even imagine how religion must have added to that.
Currently in the same boat!
Lol 😌
I was raised religiously and it took me forever to even accept some of my non heterosexual aspects. For me this summer was my time of actually searching and meeting others through online communities. Though I am not open to the real people in my life yet. Oof
Hope you like hell. Lol. That was just a joke. 😉
Hope you have a happy life. Good sharing.
I love deez friends! Seeing talented post-lds peers stepping deeper into their stories and encouraging others along the way to adopt more self love and acceptance is one of the best gifts of leaving. I'm grateful for all your mutual talents and letting your lights shineee!
Love you Robert! I have the most talented ex no friends🖤 so grateful we are all where we are at now!
This is so beautiful. Thanks so much for branching into these topics. I love that you did this interview. ♥
As newly out to myself, everything she’s saying about looking back and realizing how gay you were, I feel that on a spiritual level! 😅
aint that a moooooooooood
As a 70 year old former Mormon. I never did get how people thought going to the temple made them feel closer to God. When I went I thought it was soooo repetitious and boring. It made God look so uncaring in the video. I thought eternity being in a polygamous marriage and being a baby making machine sounded like hell. But I never felt like I could ever leave until after my divorce when I was 53. My X who joined the church after I met him,my 3 grown kids and 12 grandkids are still all very active but luckily still love me except my X. lol He left me for someone 12 years younger than me. But it turned out to be the best thing that ever happened to me because now I can love God without any religion coming between us. It's about relationship not religion. God Is Love and Loves ALL His creation.
I am a pansexual(predominately women but still) guy but can connect a lot with many of the stuff Ash Morgan said and understand why at first she felt she was pansexual instead of not fully comprehending she was a lesbian. We may have ended up in the end at different conclusions, but it was definitely interesting to see the similarities in our experinces. This of course makes what she said at the end more meaningful as well especially when sexuality is more a complicated thing that even geenralized labels like homosexual,pansexual and heterosexual cant fully explain. Sometimes it is more like *current partner* sexual and then we categorize it later
I’m a heterosexual man here, but it is true girls are prettier than guys!🤣
I’m a hetero cis female and I agree 🤗
Sam, your hair looks so great! Wow - I had NO idea Ash was SO Mormon nor that she was married!
We love a fresh voice and a new perspective! Thank you for being open and honest for the benefit of others.
Of course the church needs to push its members not to be gay for the same reason they can't let people think they can choose not to have kids because "the truth" isn't enough to grow the church enough to fulfill the filling the earth prophecies. Also why they became notorious for not just taking names off membership lists when simply asked. I often wonder just how many less people they could report if more people weren't too lazy or uncaring to bother removing their names.
Did you watch RHOSLC Heather Gay’s interview on Mormon Stories? Sooo interesting, I loved it!! You should totally have her on!
Ugh that would be so cool! I watched the first episode of the show but haven’t listened to John’s episode yet!
It’s so refreshing to hear about another person finding out they were gay a little later in life than most. I was raised southern Baptist. Not as strict as Mormons but the brainwashing is still very much a part of it. What she said about being gay “not being an option” really hit home. I said I was bi for a while but it still didn’t feel right. I felt like an imposter and would second guess if I really liked women or if I was saying it to feel different or special. Every relationship i had with a man would always come to a point where My gut told me “this isn’t for you”. I didn’t trust my intuition. I thought it was what I was supposed to do.
Finally I met my girlfriend and through that I was able to confirm that I am in fact 100% gay. It’s been so freeing to finally be living as my true self. And to experience REAL romantic love for the first time at the age of 26 (at the time we met) after years and years of being in miserable and uncomfortable relationships that weren’t natural for me.
I justed found and binged your entire channel within a week or so 😂 I have been waiting for new content!
I had a really similar experience with initially coming out as bisexual and then later realizing I was a lesbian! I came out at age 15, and my parents were extremely supportive of me liking women, but I was really young, and even after leaving the church, I felt so much internalized shame about liking women. I knew that the way I felt about women was really different than the way I felt about men, but I was so scared to admit that I didn't actually want to be with men. I thought that being bisexual would let me be somewhat "normal." Deep down, I was terrified that if I couldn't be loved by men, it would mean I was unlovable by everyone.
It's also important to note that even in the supposedly queer-friendly spaces I was in it the time, there was a LOT of lesbophobic rhetoric going around. I was convinced that lesbians were mean, exclusionary, and transphobic, none of which were things I wanted to be. There was also a ton of biphobic rhetoric going around, don't get me wrong, but considering that the popular association with lesbians online were TERF groups, I understandably felt like I couldn't be a lesbian because I cared about trans people. This was compounded by the fact that I realized I was nonbinary at age 18. I wanted no part in a sexuality that seemingly wanted to erase who I was.
It took a long time and a lot of excruciatingly painful relationships with men, but I did eventually figure out my sexuality. For a long time, I was still ashamed of it, but I've come to realize that being a lesbian is beautiful. These days, I'm happily in a polyamorous relationship with my best friend from high school and a trans woman I met in college. They've both taught me so much about love. I'm grateful every single day of my life to know them.
I hope that you continue to be an inspiration to other young sapphic people, Ash, because I wish I had been able to see more lesbians living happy lives when I was younger. Your presence online is such a joy. I hope you continue to find peace and happiness, no matter what you do!
#classicsatan
Finally a gay story that correlates to mine. Most are super dramatic, but mine is almost identical.
Same 💗
Sam! Great job! So many things to love….
Introduction to a new-to-me tik tokker. And supporting a lesbian voice.
You hit all the key parts-in only 30 minutes, lol! And no interruptions. 😂
Great discussion about personal growth, being ok with changing your mind, and learning through mindfulness. 😍
I especially like the section about advice, and your suggestion to kids to journal to make sure they keep their true identity foremost when being crammed full of mormon phony baloney! That’s also such a great way to avoid the heartbreak later as an adult when that overloaded “shelf” of mormon BS finally breaks. I wish I had done that! I was so malleable. First skeptical, then doubled down tbm, next a believing jack mormon, then tbm. It’s so hard to live a double life. I think a journal would help with the sanity.
I generally think "trusting our gut" is a less reliable way of believing what's true. People can be homophobic, or assured their race is superior based on how their gut feels.
Except in matters of love, and similar personal subjective things. That's when The Gut should be given center stage. (spotted by some healthy good sense)
Certainly over any dogmatic doctrine. 💜
Not really even in love if that's how you define "gut feeling". You may "feel" a lot about a person, but logically they may be a bad fit for various reasons from being a compulsive liar to a lazy alcoholic.
Your definition of gut feeling is wrong though. It's not an irrational feeling, but rather
@@ciobalina7445 I think your reply got cut short...
"Not an irrational feeling, but rather..." what?
Now I must know the correct definition according to you! please!
BTW I would agree with your first point if we were talking about making a DECISION to live with or marry the person we love. That's why I had noted before that falling in love should be "spotted by some healthy good sense." AKA check in with your best rational judgment, beyond gut feelings which I don't consider to be based in reasoning.
Love is not the only thing to base a big life decision on, if we care about establishing a secure future relationship. And falling in love is not really a decision we make.
Hi Ash!! I love your content! So glad you popped up on my fyp that fateful day 🙈 Have you ever considered going on the Mormon Stories podcast? 😳 I listen to it all the time but I’ve noticed they’ve had a lot of gay men and even transgender people on the show but there’s only like one episode with a lesbian on it... I think your story is so cool and maybe it would be interesting to have you on and have some more representation haha. But only if you want! Idk! Love you either way 💖
Awwww I love this idea! Maybe I’ll reach out to them🥰
@@AshMorgan Yes! That would be great content!
I'm a guy far more attracted to guys than girls, but... I actually DO see it is as "fact" (so to speak, obviously) that women ARE more beautiful than guys :D
I love your story, Ash! I'm so glad you've found peace.
as a member i hope other members become less homophobic.
The annoying thing with bi-phobia and non-binary-phobia on BOTH sides sometimes saying it's either "just a phase" or "If you say you're bi or nonbinary it's just because you're scared to become "fully gay" or "fully trans"(whatever that means) is that YEAH, sometimes that's what it is! Sometimes there's comfort in ambiguity! Is that SO BAD? Is it SO BAD to be "confused" or play it by ear? Why is it SO IMPORTANT for other people to have proof that a bisexual person is a "real" bisexual and will be until the day they die? What's the harm in having a phase?
👏🏻👏🏻 well said! things aren’t less valid because they’re a phase!
hahah So was just listening to this, not actually watching the video of it, and no joke at the end of the video where you said i'll put a clip of her video so you can enjoy, the exact moment after you said that a youtube ad started playing for a sleep number mattress and I was so confused thinking it was her video.
Good for her!! Gotta live your truth and we love it
And She's my favorite Cousin
It's wonderful to hear from other lesbians from the Mormon church. It is more open now and will let more people realize that it is real and.
I am transgender I want to become a woman I love men
I am married to a man 20 years older than. He's a great man and I do feel real close to him. He's like my best friend. But that's about it. I need to have someone who I feel more attracted to and sexually linked to. I am and have been attracted to women for many years. Both my husband and I have known that for quite some time now I just need to let go and embrace it now.
Yep. I suppressed the gay feels for my whole life, telling myself I was a normal straight person. Well I was halfway straight at least :P
Did you marry?
@@huitzilopochtli_tenochtitl496 Thankfully no. I don't know if I ever want to get married.
Being a mormon sex therapist prescribing masturbation to repressed mormons is pretty baller tbh.
Girls make me feel nervous in a way that guys never did. 💛 Girl, that was what made sense for me, too. 💞
Thank you for highlighting the importance of intuition in your process. I'm learning this now.
virtual hugs for everyone
she is so beautiful.... ommmgggg
Forgot to mention that Ash is also a working model haha
Thank you both so much for this interview ❤🧡💛💚💙💜
Thank you for shutting down the over sharing!! The atonement sharing is not healthy 😢
17:46 you definitely don’t owe an explanation to anybody. Just be you!
I can relate to this, a lot. Only not Mormon, an Apostolic Christian. Even down to the thinking I was probably bisexual.
what an inspiration... i'm looking forward to the day where i can experience that sense of peace being with a partner who fulfils me in all the ways i've been missing dating men.
Great interview!! I love listening to other people's experiences.
the editing is so good omg you can tell how much time was put into making this perfect
This was so honest. Thank you!
This is so me, currently married and just want to leave, but its heard coz I dont want to hurt my loved ones.
💜💜💜
yess this is a story that needs to be told!!!
i'm bi and i don't know how to date any gender 🤷♀️
Is there any chance I could kind of get involved in having this subtitled to Spanish?
Ooh how?!
Omg everything that was said here is RELATABLE as hell for me.
My name is Ash and my Sister is Morgan so her name is very familiar
Sibby! It's so cute, if my sister were here I bet she'd call me her sibby
Omg I identify with this so fucking much wow makes me cry
Yeeessss!!! I love ash!! Big fan ❤️
Aww cat 🐈
Hail Satan!
I literally just saw this girl on tik Tok lmao
Loved this!! ❤️
Omg my story too
Love small Victories. 😏👊🏼
I love Ash Morgan! “Favorite Sin” is my favorite song of the year.
Awwwww this makes me so happy🥺❤️
Satan or god dont work that way, our mind and body will do as it pleases and get what it needs. And when we are through with this world. God will say, satan was made up to keep fear in your mind and heart, how could I set you up to fail and leave fear to drive u to believe in God, only to keep failing and then stop believing in God??? So do what u have to, stay happy cuz we live on this world once and when we leave... heaven will welcome us. How can being happy and joyful be satan???
“classic satan” 😂
Ok this is way off topic but I need to know where she got those earrings! 😍
Interesting story!
i REALLY lIKED LISTENING TO EVERYTHING, AND AS FOR YOU SAM , YOU ARE REALLY CUTE :)
Good luck with finding new ideas that define your own spirituality . Good luck with everything .
No content with lesbians? How boring. :p lol
She has the most beautiful smile 🤗
I love this❤️ thank you